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7 - Death Match NEEDLES! · Singlets & Suplexes: A Pro Wrestling Podcast

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Hello, welcome to Singlets and Suplexes, a pro wrestling
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podcast. I'm Pete.
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And I'm Luke. Evening.
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Evening, Luke. Are you ready to talk some
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wrestling? I am, I'm ready to fight
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somebody after that Newcastle result against Barcelona.
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But this is a wrestling podcast and I want this to cleanse my
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soul. So I'm I'm, I'm very ready to
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talk about wrestling and nothing else.
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Indeed, as we always do here on singlets and suplexes, we talk
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all things wrestling, including what's happening right now,
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combined with a nostalgic look at wrestling's past.
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And before we dive into our first segments, should we do
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some housekeeping, Luke? Yep, nice and clean, cleany
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clean. Who's been in touch this week?
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So first up, I want to talk about our poll.
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We've got a poll back over running this week.
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The poll was simply do you like Dan Housing on 100%?
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The vote said yes, very evil, very nice.
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Nobody said no and nobody said don't care.
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So everybody likes down housing. Yeah.
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You know that the T-shirt sales would imply that as well.
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And I think, you know, we've talked about quite a lot because
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we like them so much. But after a kind of a 5050
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divided debut, I think they've kind of nailed them perfectly
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with the backstage segments. And I liked them with Kofi and
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Grace and Walla this week as well.
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And I've I've really find his interactions with them is funny.
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So I hope and that continues as well.
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Yeah, I think we'll get into when we talk about all things we
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like in the week, in the week in review.
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But I think it's not just these time like on television, on air,
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there's things off air that he's doing that are like in character
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and are really help build the legacy of them, which I think
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we'll talk about. But it's it's all clicking in a
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very cool way, I think for Mr. Alhausen, which is great to see.
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So yes, that was the poll, 100% of the of the votes went to
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that. So that's fantastic.
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Let's dive into some questions now.
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We've had two, two comments. So Lou got in touch to say
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what's your guys hoardy grail items in terms of ringworm
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actually used in wrestling props under tyres.
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The reason why they brought that up was because Hogan's boots
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recently just sold over $1,000,000.
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That was obviously the boots worn at WrestleMania 1.
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I believe Hulk Hogan signed boots from WrestleMania one
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apparently have some blood on them from Hulk Hogan as well.
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So you could boots and you could clone Hulk Hogan using the blood
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maybe because. Logan Paul was trying to get
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them, wasn't he? But he taps out, I think just.
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Over $1,000,000 I think even he was like oh oh.
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Yeah, I think it's quite cool that you wanted them.
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You what? You asked him for something when
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he's on his podcast as well. I'm sure.
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I'm sure there's something that you wanted.
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Well, yeah, so lose obviously because of that obviously Holy
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Grail items. So in terms of ring worn or
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actually use wrestling props or a tire.
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So not something you can buy the merchandise time buying
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something that's like being used like.
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So that's like someone's costume, someone's prop, whether
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it's a steel chair, could be part of the arena.
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I mean, Will Joystack could be a ring apron, could be, could be
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whatever. For me, I'm going to say what I
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would really want is if I was, if I'd been a child in America
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or Canada during sort of the peak of Bret Hart, I would have
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to have been front row and gotten a pair of Hitman shades
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put on us by the Hitman. That would have been absolutely
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fantastic. In terms of now as an adult, I
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would love the hard foundation hitman jacket, like as worn by
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the Hitman. Now, I know that a lot of those
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got stolen. So if Breck does have any here,
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you'll be having them in his collection.
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And I imagine there's probably one on display in his Hitman's
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bar in Canada. But yeah, I think for me, for
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me, it would be that. Although I would also absolutely
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love to have an actual Mick Foley used barbed wire bat.
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A good old, a real Barbie used by Mick would be really cool.
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Don't know what your thoughts are Luke, on what on what you
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would like? Yeah, so I couldn't be head
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straight away. It's kind of a side note is that
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do you know, like this, the WWE tops cards and like the Chrome
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ones and stuff that can fetch a bit of money where they've got
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like a segment of like a ring worn a tire in or a mat.
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I remember my mate got one. It was like a bit of like Oscars
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get up. So it was like a little bit of
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Oscars kind of, you know, leotard, I suppose, cut off and
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put in a card. And when he moved in with his
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girlfriend and they were going to the boxes and she found that,
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I think she thought it was some kind of like really weird fetish
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thing. Because that is quite a weird
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thing to have, isn't it? A little card with the pressed
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bit of a woman's worn wrestling attire.
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But it made us think of that. So not that, but two things
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jumped my head, both kind of singlet related.
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I remember Jericho had a pair of tights that were Van Halen kind
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of inspired. So it was the red and the kind
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of Bob, wiry lightning that kind of jumps straight in my head.
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They're pretty cool pair. I remember he wore them for an
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icy title win. And when I was younger and I
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still am now, but when I was like young, I was a massive Rob
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Van Damme fan and I always loved the kind of classic singlet with
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the kind of grey green spray paint with the Ying and Yang on.
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So I think that'll be a pretty cool item to have because
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whenever I think the Van Damme kind of in that era, it's in
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that grey green kind of stone, I spray it on singlets.
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So either of those would be pretty cool.
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And then if I was being absolute like crazy, man, if I was rich
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and had a giant house, I would want one of the backlash hooks
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from the Backlash 2000 stage to remember that one.
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Yeah, or the Smackdown fist. Get the smackdown fist in I Why
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get him in? Yeah, that will be a big prop.
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But yeah, it's a good question that I'd have to think on it
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more. But yeah, definitely kind of
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singlet stuff. That would be pretty cool.
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Or maybe just repair the classic Ric Flair boots in red.
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Probably be worth a lot of money.
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The robes as well. Do.
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Have you ever seen that air program on Netflix about the
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auction guy gold or something? Have you ever seen them with Ric
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Flair on? Yes, I have been trying to buy
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them back as he's trying to buy them back, trying to sell it.
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I can't. Remember, no, so he's trying
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he's trying to sell one of them. So he goes on the live auction
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and it's it's classic Rick. I'd recommend checking that out.
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He's offering any money he gets for the rope to take the woman
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out doing the auction for a drink.
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And this was only a couple of years ago.
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So he's still going he's still Ric Flair.
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He. Certainly is, but yeah, might be
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probably like I said, a hitman Hitman jacket or.
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Yeah, I think, I think definitely a RIP flay rule, now
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that I've said it. Like like the pink one?
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Awesome stuff. And then we had a message from
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Scott Watt. He said what he posted.
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He said just listening to this week's excellent pod.
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Thank you Scott for enjoying it. You put, it's got me thinking
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that Del Rio had an MMA Korea as well as being a top pro
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wrestler. He got on there were big names
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like TT Ortiz and Merck or Crocop.
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So yeah, I did a little bit looking at this.
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And yeah, Del Rio did did have a little bit of an MMA career,
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like not in the UFC or like in the in the, in the big, big, big
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leagues. But you know, he was, he was
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doing MMA mixed martial arts. He was in the Octagon fighting.
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So when when was this? Was this like before wrestling
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in between, could you not What? What year I was it?
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This is after he left. We were, I believe.
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After he left to all right. Cool, I see.
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Because obviously I did like the research on that and I can't
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remember saying that anyway, because I know we've done the
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Olympic kind of Roman Greco and obviously was going to go the
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Olympics, but Mexico couldn't afford it.
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But now that is I see. That's that's what I like about
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these kind of moments in time and cursed by the wrestling
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gods. It makes you think, as Matt
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Leticia would say. No, it doesn't do nothing.
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Obviously different people are remember different things kind
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of what they're interested in. So obviously Scott must enjoy
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MMA a little bit as well as pro wrestling and you know that come
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to his mind straight away, which is fantastic.
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So yes, apparently. Did you still come out with the
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mask on? And often we didn't do that in
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WE but. In Mexico, massively, because
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then when he took it off in WWE, there's a bit of a backlash from
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Mexico for him because obviously some so from such a kind of
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wrestling royalty over there that I think there was a lot of
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kind of the hardcore Mexican fans quite pissed off that he
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debuted in WWE on TV without a mask.
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So it's a slap in the face. Yeah, back for the MMA run,
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apparently. You wouldn't think that would be
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allowed unless he just took it off and let the misters wore
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that the ring. You couldn't wear a mask for
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MMA, could you? You wouldn't have thought so.
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I don't know after some watch the clip.
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So he might have done. I mean in the lower leagues like
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they're just one fighters Fight Night.
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But. Yeah, fair enough.
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Might be like something similar where you could see probably, I
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don't know. Yeah, because Bobby Lashley's
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got quite a good record, hasn't he?
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Because again, it was never UFC. It was a bell at all.
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A few. Different places, I think.
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I mean, Bobby has been in there. So has Jake Hager.
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He's doing the slapping competition now.
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He's seen that. I mean, he's getting paid.
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He's an interesting character. He could be cursed by the
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wrestling cards. It could be because he's he's
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been the end of it all, but also like probably had a lot more
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potential than he than he reached.
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Oh my, so he's GL's last signing?
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GL was like to mention that at the time.
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I think he was GL's last ever signing.
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Is there talent relations and I think he was tipped as the neck
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angle Stephanie how they debuted him.
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So yeah, maybe surely our episode, but he has an
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interesting character on and off screen.
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Indeed, that brings in the housekeeping from my point of
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view. Luke, Are you ready to move on
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to the Week in review? Absolutely.
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It's been a big week. I've I've really enjoyed
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everything I've watched this week.
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Obviously I've still got some negatives in there, can't all be
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perfect, but it's been a big week with kind of outputs from a
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lot of different areas, you know, AW, AAA and the WB.
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So yeah, let's get into it. Well, indeed.
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So straight away, one of my one of the things I've really
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enjoyed was, you know, pumpkin, Roman Reigns, they had a promo
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game this week when Roman was back on television picked up by
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sort of where they left off last time.
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I think in this promo, Roman got the upper hand and it seems to
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me to think, oh, Punk got owned. It was like, well, at the end of
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the day, the 2 characters. So I think it was important for
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Roman to get the upper hand this time around.
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And I definitely in building it and, you know, I really enjoyed
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seeing the intensity in Roman, enjoyed seeing him get on that
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Punk's fingernails, which was good to see.
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And I think, yeah, it's setting this up to be sort of, you know,
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we've still got weeks to go as well, so this can get even more
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tense. But I'm enjoying the tension
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build between these two. And it's getting personal.
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And yeah, I think it's going to be a hell of a fight at
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WrestleMania. I see, it's funny because I had
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this as one of my negatives, not because it was particularly bad.
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Like, you know, the both did what they needed to do, but I
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thought it just treaded water a bit.
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I thought nothing really new got said.
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That didn't really progress the usos getting involved anymore,
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especially when in that show him and more or less told organ Paul
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in Austin theory they need to win the tag title.
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So it feels like that could get a bit messy.
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So yeah, I just, I just thought it was a bit like, you know,
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both of them are OK, but I just don't really think it progressed
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much. I think it's still very open.
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Like I, I think what you're saying is absolutely correct.
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I think, and I agree with what you're saying in terms of like
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it is still very open. And but I think that's because
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we're still a weeks out, like a few weeks out.
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And I think Roman's, I don't know his schedule, but I imagine
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he's not here every week in the build up.
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Still, I think it's very interesting.
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I think it plays into what you've just said about the tag
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team titles because Punk hasn't apologised for the comments he
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made about Roman's dad in the Usos.
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Obviously not in the Punk promo but like backstage and Roman
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arrived, he was like being very party with the Usos like they
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were loving him. Does does Punk get involved?
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Like does he does he cost him the tag team titles?
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Does like the Usos loving Roman defending them end up to come
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back to bite them? Is that how Punk sort of gets
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back at Roman in at the bloodline type of thing?
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I don't know. But it leaves that possibility
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of much I'm finding quite exciting.
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But yeah, it was good to see. I just thought you couldn't have
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Punk berating them every week in winning the conversation every
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week. So it was good to see.
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It was good to see Roman fight back a bit.
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And I think, you know, they haven't come to blows yet,
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really. I know, I know they've hit each
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other, but like they haven't like foreign been pulled apart
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yet, right, and like vicious hasn't been vicious attacks that
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will come before mania. I think the bully hands each way
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before us are mania in in that way.
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And like, what's your thoughts? Think we'll get them brawling
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before Mania, But when that happens it'll be like a big a
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big like big moment fireworks going on.
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I think you'll definitely get a brawl and if it's done right it
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could be great. I've had, I don't think this
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will happen, but I really would like a six man tag match with
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Punk and some people against Roman and the Rousseau's.
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I feel like just all you got leading into is talk and there's
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a lot of talk in that. So I'd love to see some kind of
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six man, I think. We kind of do.
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We have a satellite to be an event before mania.
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Oh, I don't know if I feel like yeah.
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And that could be a main event because you don't want any
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titles in the line, right? And Saturday's main event
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because you you mean title masters already set up right?
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Like Cordy's not going to defend the title there mean as punk.
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So do you have this six man tag there?
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Yeah, definitely. And it'd be, I don't know who
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you would put with with Punk. I don't know if you'd have to
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dig deep. Like I think the him and the War
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Raiders would be quite a, you know, Viking experience could be
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quite a nice Little Mix. But obviously that's pulling
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them out of nowhere. So yeah, I think that's the only
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thing that I struggle with why I think that would happen.
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I don't know who you'd actually put with Punk, but yeah, I
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think, I think I need something more than talking at this point.
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Do you think that? So obviously the sort of teasing
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Punk on here, I think, and they're trying to build Roman as
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a face it seems like anyway, from my point of view, do they
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do they keep pushing Punk that way and push him towards him and
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then does he have the vision as he's tag team partners?
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Yeah, I guess like turn punk before.
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I don't think Roman's around enough like where you could have
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punk like do a successful heel turn before Mania, but it could
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be like the enemy of my enemy is my friend type of thing.
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So I mean, put them in there could work like you say, use the
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human card as a favour. So that could definitely work.
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And how many weeks away do you think we are from Roman
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Reference and Larry the Dog? That'll be his next time on
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television, I think, whenever that is.
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Yeah, Larry's getting brought up, isn't he?
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Yeah. Do you mention my dad?
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I'll mention your dog. Yeah, indeed, indeed.
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But yeah, I enjoyed it because I think, I think if Roman was
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there every week, see, if Roman had been there last week when he
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wasn't and then this was still happening, I'll then be on the
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side of like, oh, it's quite slow and nothing's moving
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because Roman's not here. I feel that, like Roman, the
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next time Roman's on television, he's back at Punk and he's he
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showed his feisty side and that's what I was enjoying about
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it. Yeah, like I say, it was fine,
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but I think that was just, it was fine, but I didn't feel like
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we got any further forward with it.
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But like you say, there's still a long way to go.
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So I'm still very much, it's still the match I'm most looking
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forward to at WrestleMania at this moment in time.
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I think if they keep building it, the task of potential will
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be like the mega made marquee match and it'll be the most
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feistiest match on there, even though we'll point out soon like
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the viciousness in the other title match that's been shown
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with the actual heel turn. But but yeah, we will still see.
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Another one of my positives was that heel turn.
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So obviously the contract signing on Smackdown around the
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Orton and Cody Rhodes, you know, you know what they say about
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contract signings, you know, if someone's going to turn on
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someone and it's going to get violent and I feel, you know
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what's going to happen. So I feel here that it's got to
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the point. The handshake kicked the nuts,
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he banged, he's on the table. And then like it wasn't just a
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beat up, like he actually viciously assaulted him, which I
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thought you could just put him through the table, could just
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give him DDT off the ropes, but now like viciously assaulted
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him. And I thought it was brilliant.
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And I think I've seen people being like, oh, like you should
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have turned Cody. Cody should be the heel.
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And I'm like, well, if you're going to turn one of them heel
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in the storyline, like who's the better heel?
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Like currently Randy Orton is the better heel.
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So if he's going to be the better heel, you, you turn him,
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if that, if that makes sense. No, I agree with you.
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It was one of my positives the week as well kind of ignore and
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kind of you should have turned Cory from people online.
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Like it was absolutely the right call because, like you say, who
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can play the better heel that were no, definitely Randy and
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the viciousness of the attack. It was all school Randy Orton,
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You know what I mean? It was that fucking I'm an
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absolute biggest cunt in the world, Randy Orton, and I think
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you've got a better thing. You've got better opportunities
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to tap into things with them because I was I think I did a
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bit of digging and I don't think he's been healed since before he
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was in A tag team with Matt Riddle, which most most about
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four or five years. It's been a while since he's
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been there. And he kind of alluded to it on
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raw when he was on the phone to a mystery person saying that
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they reminded him that he was a killer and like he was he was
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absolutely vicious. Kind of, you know, one of the
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the moment in time match that we're going to talk about on
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that paper view, it was when he punted CM Punk and he ended up
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not even being able to compete in defenders world title.
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You know, he's punted Stephanie McMahon in the head.
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You know, back in his early days, there's kind of personal
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stories you've heard and he is this kind of change man.
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And it's been fun seeing him enjoying himself and having a
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laugh. But you know, there's absolutely
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that kind of dickhead Randy Orton that you can tap into.
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And I think with the history with Cody there as well, it's
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almost, they kind of it writes herself in a way.
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And I think it is the better option out of the two.
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Absolutely. Like just to talk how vicious it
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was. So I watched Smackdown on
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Netflix, but I watch it the next day.
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So it's like it's not the actual episode, but it's like it's the
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recording of the episode, which I hate watching because it it
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blurred when Cody was like in the stairs bleeding out, like it
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blurred his face because Netflix is sort of saying it was too
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violent. I was like, come on Netflix.
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Like I can watch Stranger things.
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We're monsters like eating people.
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But like you're going to blur this.
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Obviously, once the episode goes up properly, I think it would
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know my settings and just let us watch it.
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Like with the violence. But like, yeah, it pisses off a
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bit. But I was a bit like, well,
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actually, yeah, like it's good to know that like this is
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vicious and that's why that is happening.
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But but yeah, I thought was it a great turn?
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I thought Cory saw it really well.
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And I think now we're going to see how does Cory cope?
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There's someone who's meant to be his friend who's mentor and
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they've turned on him and they're being vicious.
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Like when he's feuding a rock and he's feuding a Roman and
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they've been, they've been cunts to him in the past.
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Like, do you know what I mean? You can sort of understand the
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fight, but like, is he going to be able to sort of come back and
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like battle Randy or is he going to have like, oh, I don't want
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to hurt Randy because he's still me mentor even though he's been
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vicious to us. Like it's going to be a bit of
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mind games and we're going to see Cody struggle for a few
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weeks, I think with sort of the mental side of it.
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What's your thoughts on that? No, definitely.
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I think Cody probably missed a Smackdown this week and he gave
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Randy the chance to kind of explain himself fully, which,
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you know, he talked about people saying, oh, they should return
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Cody. I think that's where the Cena
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heel turn went downhill quickly that after the heel turn, the
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promo after it didn't didn't deliver, where I think Randy's
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much more capable of that. So obviously Randy comes out,
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justifies his actions and then he kind of off to the races and
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like you say, Cody has to then deal with it that so it wasn't
18:24
just like, oh, I snapped. I'm sorry.
18:26
It's like, no, like you were my young boy to kind of dip into
18:30
the SEM, Punk, Roman Reigns stuff.
18:32
Like who do you think you are? Like you've never give the title
18:34
shot once and you're like a three time champion now, like
18:36
you've disrespected us. And like I say, he was on on the
18:39
phone to someone on Raw. Who do you think that was?
18:42
I don't know, I was trying to get my head around it.
18:46
Like mentioned, like wrestling has more than one royal family.
18:50
So like, was he on the phone like a former mentor or like
18:53
someone who he considers family? I'm not sure if Cowboy Bob's
18:57
still alive. So I don't know if it would be
18:58
like in his family or not. But like, you know, was it was
19:02
it Batista? Was it Ric Flair?
19:04
Was it somewhere in his family? Do you know, like who do you
19:08
think? Luke I.
19:09
Think it might be the Rock, You know?
19:11
I mean yes, that did adventure and venture my mind as well.
19:14
Could be the rock as well. You know, you know, I've and
19:17
that will be out of Norway. And I think obviously mainly
19:20
because he couldn't follow up with it with the rocket involved
19:22
in the scene and he'll turn. But like if you just have The
19:25
Rock acting as an advisor for Andy where you can cut a promo
19:28
without being in the arena, I think that adds an extra element
19:32
to it. And there is a storyline there.
19:33
Do you know what I mean? The Rock and Cody have that
19:36
thing, you know, you got seen attorneys now made Randy turn.
19:39
So it's kind of keeping that there in the background.
19:41
And I think if you did it where it was just The Rock on a phone,
19:44
I wouldn't hear that. I wouldn't hear it either, but I
19:47
would like to see it pay off and like maybe next year's menu
19:50
where it's like Rock and Cody one-on-one.
19:52
Like they finally have that match and is that Rocks final
19:54
match maybe Because I think that needs to happen.
20:00
No, definitely. What would two of your favorite
20:04
things before I do my third one? So I really enjoyed the AAA
20:09
pay-per-view that was on this week, the Reyes Dev Ray.
20:12
So I thought the whole show was pretty was really solid.
20:15
It was it was less than two hours, so it kind of gets in and
20:18
out. I've really enjoyed the
20:19
commentary team. So you had JBL and Corey Graves,
20:22
but what I liked is you had Rey Mysterio on commentary as well.
20:25
And I thought it was pretty cool.
20:26
So when Penda came out and caught a promo Mexican in
20:30
Mexican in Spanish, yeah, you had Rey Mysterio translating it
20:34
on the commentary. And I thought I'd never seen
20:37
that before kind of. And I think again, it kind of
20:40
taps into how WB are trying to kind of bring this company into
20:43
a more mainstream light, which some people were touched on last
20:46
week, might disagree with. But I've never watched AAA
20:49
properly before that acquisition.
20:50
And it was a really great show. And I think anyone should check
20:53
it out just to kind of give that commentary a go because it was
20:55
different and the work well together.
20:57
And then the fatal four way for the for the sword.
21:01
Did you see do you see that the rears is the rear des rear
21:04
final? You get a sword, not a title.
21:07
No, I did not. That sounds really cool.
21:08
Sounds like. Yeah, and it was like a really
21:10
cool feel for where where you had both Americanos in it.
21:13
You had Santos Escobar in there as well in kind of there's lots
21:17
of shenanigans like, you know, people get in handcuffed, the
21:19
railings. There was a cool little spot
21:20
with the double head plates and yeah, so I just thought it was
21:23
like less than two hours. Commentary was different and you
21:26
kind of and then at the end when it comes up with the with the
21:29
producer and it says Mark Calloway, it's like who had that
21:31
on the 2026 bingo card? The Undertaker produced in AAA
21:34
pay per views. Yeah, he's the, he's the, he's
21:37
the top dog and he and the creative I think in, in AAA.
21:39
Yeah, so I just actually it's something completely, it's like
21:42
it, it stands out and it's got that kind of fun feel of like
21:45
because it's, I know AAA has been a long time before anyone
21:47
said that because this is kind of a new venture with the WWE
21:50
attachment. It kind of had that feel of
21:52
early NXT and early AW where they're kind of trying things
21:55
out and it's fresh. So therefore it's exciting.
21:57
But then every match was solid. But that feel for it was
22:01
fantastic. So you should every people
22:02
should seek that out. That was definitely a positive.
22:05
So would you say that? So I'm not watching like I
22:08
watched when they appear on West television.
22:11
I sort of I see them. So to me, AAA in my mind is
22:14
like, it is Mr. Iguana and it is La Paga.
22:17
But you're saying there's actually a lot more going on
22:19
here? Come and enjoy it.
22:20
Yeah, definitely. Because I think at the minute
22:22
they're blending it well, like kind of the main event with Dom
22:27
and I can grow kind of like you've got like both worlds
22:29
coming together there. And they've kind of gave almost
22:31
as his bodyguard and Bailey answered an open challenge for
22:35
the women's title. So you kind, it was almost like
22:37
a kind of kind of a forbidden door type shown away, to use AW
22:41
terminology. So yeah, it was like, and that
22:44
Bailey was a surprise appearance.
22:45
So you kind of got cool little things going on down there, like
22:48
don't be sleeping on it. Indeed, when I think of
22:52
forbidden doors, I think that's what the people he will be
22:55
called for air on Epstein's island.
22:56
Do you forbidden? Doors it would yeah, I've heard
22:58
he's got a few of them Epstein. But yeah, maybe they could have
23:01
like UFC event on on Epstein island since they have them on
23:04
at the White House as well. They might well they're gonna
23:07
have to cancel the next Saudi show on this or like reschedule
23:10
it for somewhere else because the conflict at the minutes of
23:12
that deal. Maybe that's an option.
23:14
I don't know. Quite possibly bring it to
23:17
Newcastle. We'll have the WE in Newcastle.
23:20
Well, the shows bring to the UK, we'll go along.
23:21
We'll we'll meet up with some fans.
23:23
It'll be good we. Will indeed.
23:25
And have you got something else that you have this week?
23:27
Yeah, so young books FTR match revolution like.
23:32
You are picking a young books match as a favorite.
23:34
I am, and I'll tell you why. Because it was none of the
23:38
stupid shit. So I felt like I think this is
23:41
me problem with a lot of people who I don't like in AW.
23:44
It's like there's no doubt that I don't think the talented and
23:47
the good, but I think the kind of it's sometimes a bit lunatics
23:50
were in the asylum, which I'll fucking get to late on me
23:53
dislikes where they can just do all the fuck they want and it
23:56
takes away from what they're good at sometimes.
23:57
Where is the that match was like an absolutely brilliant tag team
24:01
match. There's no silliness.
24:02
There was great psychology and then you got the big comeback at
24:05
the end with Edge Corp. I refuse to call them that Edge,
24:09
Adam. I'll call them Eduardo.
24:10
I'm not calling them Corp and Christian Cage to sell another
24:13
match with FTR because the last match they had together, which
24:18
then obviously wrote Edge off TV, was absolutely one of the
24:22
best matches of last year. Again, if anyone hasn't seen
24:24
Edge and Christian versus FTR from last year, seek that out.
24:27
But yeah, and that is one of my positives of the week because it
24:29
was kind of no bullshit. This is what he's actually both
24:32
really good at. Like especially for when Dax,
24:35
you know, on Twitter you're a foot an idiot, but like when
24:37
he's actually just do what you say he's a good at.
24:39
This was the fucking key example of it.
24:41
And then you had the big pop return at the end.
24:47
I've I really enjoyed the match. I haven't seen all of the people
24:51
of you, but this was something I did like.
24:52
You know, I'm I'm a big fan of the young books, as you know,
24:55
some listeners might know, but I'm a big fan of young books.
24:58
I think they've been quite a bit lately installing wise over the
25:00
past few months in terms of the been there doing stuff, but I
25:03
think compared to what they were doing a few years ago, you know,
25:05
it is different as sort of the company's changed.
25:08
But it was great to see him a part of something.
25:11
And obviously, although the storyline really is FTR and Edge
25:13
and Christian or Corbin Cage, whatever they're called going
25:16
forward, but it was good to see the books like doing great
25:20
stuff. I really enjoyed that.
25:21
And the absolute glorious Say I Have an Edge and Christian Back
25:24
was certainly pulled on the old nostalgic strings that released
25:28
that nostalgic adrenaline into the heart.
25:31
And I certainly was a vibing it my last, sorry.
25:35
What are you going to say? I'll say my my last positive of
25:38
the week is it started off as like I wasn't quite sure.
25:42
So it was nearly a negative, but then so it was Brock Lesnar
25:45
coming out to face down South. Oh yes, it was magic.
25:48
This. It was special.
25:49
So I enjoyed him coming down and destroying all the masked men.
25:54
I still don't understand the masked men.
25:55
I think I don't know if I've I don't know if I've missed
25:58
something off. I haven't presented it.
25:59
But like I don't know how he has all these disciples as masked
26:02
men ready to sort of read the lives on the line for Seth and
26:05
what do they get out of it. I don't understand that
26:08
psychology. Does that mean?
26:09
Yeah, you've not. No, you've not missed anything.
26:11
Do they not give off Power Ranger?
26:12
I put these vibes to you. Yeah, that's what I mean sort of
26:15
a bit like, yeah, just. But yeah, you've not missed
26:18
anything. I think you meant to know.
26:20
Maybe he's got a wrestling school because that first time
26:22
one got his mask pulled off and nobody knew who he was.
26:25
It was online that he's part of Seth's training school, but
26:27
that's never actually being led on.
26:29
Implied. Yeah, so, but no.
26:33
So it was good to see Brock destroy them all though.
26:34
And then obviously you have the over family coming out and, you
26:38
know, sort of destroys Brock in a way, in a way where I don't
26:43
think it hurts Brock. I think, you know, it made Brock
26:45
look vulnerable, but I think it's important if they're going
26:47
to fight you, that man Brock needs to look vulnerable because
26:49
you need to believe that Oblahemi can win.
26:52
I think Brock will come back and we'll get some re combustions.
26:54
But I think just seeing Brock self Oblahemi and I don't know
26:57
if you saw like Oblahemi standing on him and pointing at
26:59
the sign. Apparently Brock sort of called
27:01
that as an audible. So they say like you've took us
27:03
down, like stand on us pointing at the sign, like let's let's
27:06
make this memorable type of thing.
27:09
And yeah, it's good to see Brock just doing what's best for
27:12
business. You know, we're helping build
27:13
next big guy. Like I said before, now me and
27:16
ya, like I say, Brock maybe take over Femi down now when it comes
27:19
to me and I say like 2 big juggernauts, they've both hurt
27:22
each other. Now we're going to see who's
27:24
going to win. But yeah, I really enjoyed
27:27
seeing Brock kill everyone, then seeing over Femi come in,
27:30
surprise Brock and kill Brock. It was just it was just really
27:33
cool. And it was sort of a Ying and
27:35
Yang moment. Like it flipped really quick.
27:36
But yeah, I don't know. Your overall thoughts are on
27:39
that loop. No, it was it was like it was a
27:41
star making moment really, because like you say, like when
27:44
he lifts him up for that power bomb, I don't think I've seen
27:46
him ever go that high since Undertaker did last, right, You
27:49
know what I mean? So like the visual of saying
27:51
Brock that high in the air and come crashing down, fucking like
27:54
I say, it was it was it was special.
27:56
And then, like you say, I think Brock definitely told him to do
27:58
that. You could see a mouth in it.
27:59
So like it's cool that Brock's on board with this because
28:01
obviously again, you've you've seen times when he hasn't Dean
28:04
Ambrose and Mania being one way just wasn't into any of that
28:06
shit. And I think even when Brock was
28:09
thrown at the outside, I think he was kind of holding back a
28:11
smile because I think he was like, yeah, we've got fucking
28:13
something here. And I think it is it's a marquee
28:15
match. And you know, I think we've
28:17
we've touched on kind of some people not like and Lesnar for
28:20
kind of alleged outside things as well.
28:22
But like in 2026, Brock Lesnar is still a fucking attraction.
28:26
And again, somebody like over Fermi, he could be an attraction
28:29
that makes like the next huge breakout star.
28:33
And like, it's it's up there now is one of the matches.
28:35
I'm really excited folks. We touched right last week, like
28:37
what's over going to do it look like the Brock match was off the
28:40
cards. So kind of when he's in the ring
28:43
with Rollins. I was a bit like you, not like
28:44
because of the the putties, but I was just like I don't want
28:47
Rollins Lesnar. I've seen it.
28:49
I could take or leave Seth Rollins to them and over
28:51
thermies music hits. That in itself was like, oh,
28:53
fucking get in. And then he thought and drops
28:55
them. So now it was absolutely
28:56
excellent. Let's say start making moment
28:58
for me and hopefully it follows up.
29:01
Do you think that Rollins is not going to be cleared for Mania
29:05
and that's why he's on telly, obviously for the ratings and I
29:07
build the carrot now. But you know, that's why they've
29:09
had him be the swerve. Then they sent him towards over
29:13
family and you think think Rollins will not be involved in
29:15
Mania in a match? You might interfere, but he
29:17
won't have a match. I just think he has to be
29:20
because otherwise it's just pointless.
29:22
Like this has been going on for like over a month now, the
29:25
masked men's stuff and like I think, I think break I'll be
29:30
cleared as well and they're just kind of building up to that.
29:35
Because. Yeah, because.
29:37
If not, like, yeah, they, I don't know who else he faces.
29:40
Like I really don't. Like obviously I could have a
29:42
think, but off the top of my head, there's no one that comes
29:45
to mind. And even when it was Brock
29:46
Lesnar, for like a second I was like, I don't care about that at
29:50
all. And then like I say, if he
29:52
doesn't end up facing anyone at me and he has been a lot of
29:54
fucking TV time for someone who's not going to be on the
29:56
card. Yeah.
29:59
See, now you've said that. Yeah, that does.
30:01
That does make sense. Any that likes you before we
30:04
move into dislikes? Mine was just a quick one.
30:06
So again, it kind of goes back to AW Dynamite, but there's a
30:09
really good match on there between Kyle Fletcher and
30:12
Speedball Mike Bailey. Again, just mentioning it so
30:15
people can go check it out, but I just think that Kyle Fletcher
30:17
is like another guy who could be like future massive star of the
30:21
industry. I don't think he's quite there
30:22
with his character work and kind of being in with the Don Callas
30:25
family. Kind of he lose a bit in the
30:28
shuffle. But like every time I see him in
30:30
the ring, like I'm just more and more impressed.
30:32
Like there's something really special there.
30:33
So kind of, again, if you haven't caught that match from
30:36
Dynamite Fletcher versus Mike Bailey, definitely worth
30:39
checking out. I have not watched Dynamite, so
30:41
I'll have to go and see how I can find that.
30:44
Moving on to dislikes. Luke, you want to take us away
30:46
with yours? Yeah, so this is what I mean
30:50
with AW kind of lunatics run asylum.
30:52
So did you watch the main event with MGF and Hangman?
30:57
So I don't know if you can probably guess there's a part of
31:01
this match which is my dislike. Which which is I'm going to
31:03
bring up the which is, which is kind of the point I want to
31:06
make. So that match, I thought the
31:08
first 20 minutes was fucking excellent.
31:09
Kind of the build up for it's kind of been some of my
31:12
positives for the week. I thought the first 20 minutes
31:14
was fucking excellent. Like I like MGF and the Terry
31:17
Funk tights. Like, you know, again, it's daft
31:19
little fucking British mind games.
31:20
It works, but then it gets silly, doesn't it?
31:22
So obviously if you've mentioned this, so you're not going to
31:25
mind this thing, but you've kind of, you've got a phobia of
31:28
needles, haven't you? Correct.
31:30
I absolutely legitimate. I don't like getting needles.
31:33
I kick off. I don't mind the pain, they
31:35
don't hurt, but I just, I'm phobic of getting them.
31:37
I don't like seeing them either, whether it's in real life or in
31:41
a movie. Like if they freak me out.
31:43
Yeah. So, yeah, I remember watching
31:46
Pain and Gain with you in the cinema when the injection stuff
31:48
with steroids, you weren't expecting it and you kind of
31:50
flinched. So I just think putting a needle
31:53
through another man's cheek in a wrestling match and this makes
31:56
it sound all that has kids in the crowd is too far.
31:59
And also it's like that could that really should have a
32:02
trigger warning. Like I think it's like, and and
32:06
you know, I don't want to sound too old and you know, I'm not,
32:08
you know, I'm no Jim Cornette type of thing.
32:10
But like, it's just it's not wrestling, is it?
32:12
It's fucking it's too far, like I know they've done it before,
32:16
but like the way it goes all the way through the cheek and then
32:19
it just and then there's there was other spots as well.
32:22
You know, someone got hung again as ever, they're like hanging
32:24
people in AW. And I just think, you know, Tony
32:28
Khan, as he said, you know, this is for the sick OS and you know,
32:31
we've got a good friend who's a death match wrestler and I know
32:33
there's a market for it. And I'm not saying that I don't
32:36
that I hate that style of wrestling, but I think
32:39
sometimes, like especially that match, I think it's a really
32:42
good example of it. It's like I don't even after all
32:45
this time, I still don't think AW fully know who they are.
32:49
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I think, I mean a few
32:54
things. I think there's still a very
32:55
young company, OK saying I think it's OK for them to be not sure
32:58
what the Oxes are still finding their feet in terms of like you
33:01
know, they're only, you know, they're not in a decade old yet,
33:04
right. So, you know, in terms of like
33:07
years, they are young company. I think for me, like death match
33:10
wrestling, I appreciate it. I think there's a skill to it as
33:14
there is the wall wrestling and the people who do death match
33:17
wrestling like are extremely skilled because it's so
33:20
dangerous. You have to do everything a
33:23
certain way and act a certain way for that to a like come
33:26
across as real as it does, but also to make sure that
33:28
everyone's as safe as houses. So big respect to the death
33:32
match wrestlers. Again, for me, I will like, you
33:35
know, I do check out some death matches sometimes, but I think
33:38
like, you know what I'm getting into just in case the needles do
33:40
turn up because I'm phobic of needles and I feel AW, done it
33:44
before. They've had Nick gauge on, for
33:45
example, where he's used the cut down, he's used the glass and
33:48
it's worked fine. I don't mind that.
33:49
But like, yeah, I just think like, shrimping A syringe
33:51
through someone's mouth and then out of the blue, like, yeah, it
33:55
was very jarring from me as someone who's phobic needles.
33:58
And, you know, you could see I'm just a big baby.
33:59
And maybe I am, but. But yeah, I just think like if
34:04
you're trying to attract like sponsors and stuff, like, surely
34:08
that can be a problem. But no course, but look at you
34:11
talking about how on your version of Smackdown on Netflix,
34:14
the blurred Cody's bleeding. What the fuck would they think
34:17
of that? And as well as that, this is
34:20
what I mean when they don't know what they want.
34:21
It's like when obviously kind of you know, the ongoing, you know,
34:25
controversy of WWE putting the ticket prices up.
34:27
Tony Khan come out and was like, oh, our ticket prices means the
34:30
whole family can come along and watch.
34:32
Like, would the whole family enjoy that?
34:36
So it's just, yeah, I think it's kind of like, yeah, like I
34:38
struggle with. That's where I struggle with
34:40
this sometimes. I'm just like, yeah, you've gone
34:42
like, and are you doing it for the sake of doing it?
34:45
Like I said, you one of the negatives I had one week was the
34:47
Kyle Fletcher Briscoe ladder match where he does that plus
34:51
gnarly, like brain bust off the top of the ladder, which in
34:54
itself looked a bit dangerous, but also look fucking cool.
34:57
That should have been the end of March, but it wasn't.
34:59
So I think part of it is just like, it's almost like, let's
35:02
just do this, this, this, this, this and this.
35:03
And there's nobody saying no. Yeah, and I feel like like, what
35:08
is a death match in mainstream wrestling and what is a death
35:11
match in EW? And I think, like I said, the
35:13
sheets of glass, you know, you can do that relatively safe, you
35:18
know, barbed wire, explosions, glass, you know, all that type
35:22
of stuff. I think you can probably pull
35:24
off make it look legit and be not be too taboo.
35:28
But I just feel there isn't a way to do an injection like
35:31
without it being dirty and taboo.
35:34
So. So yeah, for me, I don't like
35:37
that. And that was a big dislike for
35:38
me. And I think, yeah, there's lots
35:40
of things much I can like, I can take.
35:42
But that was one for me that I just again, it's one who's
35:44
forbidden needles. I was like, like, no, please
35:47
just get off me. Television.
35:48
Not the same whenever whether I'll watch Dexter because I love
35:51
Dexter. But look within the news come on
35:52
screen. Yeah, just do needles.
35:55
I remember when I was watching like saw two and they said not
35:57
the first time when there's the. Or the hypodermic that makes me
36:00
cringe that does a hyper hypodermic needle bath.
36:03
Now he passed out like, so that's my history of it's that I
36:06
don't like it. But yeah, that was.
36:07
It's not that don't like death matches, it's just that, yeah,
36:10
just keep needles and syringes out of wrestling while I need to
36:14
be in like, you know what I mean?
36:16
The only thing you should get news for us for people getting
36:18
juiced up right. Yeah, but.
36:22
It's their choice, but yes. And then and then final negative
36:26
is that Tony Storm bit me are sure he has tit.
36:28
That's it. That's what I'm gonna say on it
36:30
because that car doesn't work for his either.
36:32
Well, no. So I have Tony stores on mine,
36:34
so obviously I've seen the clip without doing that.
36:38
I feel Tony Storm I feel is presented as like half
36:41
legitimate, serious and half funny.
36:44
And like, is Tony Storm being presented as too funny at the
36:47
moment? I don't even think it's too
36:49
funny. I think again, I'm repeating
36:51
myself, but I think it's nobody's telling her no.
36:54
Like I feel like she's got like kind of like full saying what
36:57
she says. And I think when you blend in
37:00
elements of comedy and stuff like that, especially with, you
37:02
know, a live crowd, like if you're letting someone do what
37:05
they want, there's going to be like mad shit set that isn't
37:08
necessarily good. But again, like, are you just
37:10
saying stuff for the sake of shock value?
37:12
It's like it's it's edging on edge low territory.
37:14
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I know what you mean.
37:17
So you ask me that. That was mine.
37:19
Just 20 Stones presentation. I just feel sometimes you're
37:22
shooting straight and I play straight and sometimes it's like
37:25
wacky and I think like it juxtaposes itself sometimes from
37:30
my point of view anyway. So I'm a bit like, I don't know
37:32
if I meant to take us seriously or not because there's times I
37:34
do take us seriously and there's times I'm like, oh, it's like
37:37
walking funny. So then I'm having that in like
37:40
the same match that makes sense, like in the same.
37:42
A lot of her stuff can be an absolute mess, which in, you
37:46
know, and like someone who's kind of up, there's someone who
37:49
I really love is Brie Wyatt and Brie Wyatt could be guilty of
37:51
that as well. Where like for all the good,
37:53
there's a lot of stuff where it was like an absolute mess.
37:55
And I think the similarities with kind of Tawny Storm, not
37:58
with the character, but just I think anything that's character
38:01
work driven, I think it takes kind of a team of people for it
38:03
to be as like a success. Yeah, you know, my last dislike
38:08
was I think I had this last week as well, but.
38:12
You know it's not my Co doner, is it?
38:13
No, no, it's not. But actually segue, that should
38:16
be housekeeping. So Matt and they miss.
38:20
We didn't. I mentioned last week on my
38:21
dislikes that Mac when I was on television, but that was because
38:24
him and Chelsea were meant to be going to Italy, but it got
38:26
cancelled. So they went to Disneyland or
38:28
Disney. Yeah, they went to Disneyland
38:29
instead. So well done Mac.
38:32
I don't have to take his hot wife to wear Disneyland and have
38:34
him going on the rides and that lovely stuff.
38:36
Yeah, lovely stuff. Yeah, Disney.
38:40
I love Disney. So do I.
38:43
So yeah, I think why not? Why not go to Disney, Weldon
38:46
Macadona? No.
38:48
So last week obviously I mentioned about Ria Ripley and
38:51
Jade, and this is sort of the opposite of Punk and Roman for
38:55
me. Obviously I feel like that was
38:57
the the dynamic in Punkin Roman shifted and I enjoyed that.
39:00
I feel this dynamic between Jade and Ria, like hasn't shifted at
39:03
all and in the way Jade did the promo and Smackdown being like,
39:07
like, you're not a challenger, you're not a threat.
39:10
I'm not scared yet. I'm going to like beat you down.
39:12
I just feel like you're just saying the same things we can
39:16
make out and then we are sort of doing the same thing we can make
39:17
out. And that's like, like, why?
39:20
Why I don't want to tune in this match, I don't know.
39:22
No, like I said, definitely not. And also she said that and then
39:25
run away from her, which I know she's the heel in this, but
39:28
yeah, it's a bit it. Again, it's a bit of a mess at
39:30
the minute and I don't think it's one that they're going to
39:33
pull back in time. Yeah, because I feel Jade, Jade
39:36
could be like, look like she could absolutely big up real and
39:40
be like, you're a big bitch, you're strong as fuck, like
39:43
you've destroyed everyone you fought against.
39:46
And I respect that. But guess what?
39:47
I mean, yeah, I'm going to kill you.
39:49
Like there's a way to do it, but like by belittling that you're
39:52
just going to make your accomplishment less, if that
39:54
makes sense. No, definitely.
39:55
Like I say, it's like it's probably the match I'm least
39:58
looking forward to that's been announced so far.
40:00
Like to a point where like I just don't care.
40:03
Because like, Ria has been champion before, so it's not
40:06
like our coach could become champion for the first time.
40:08
So then it's kind of like you've done nothing to have make us
40:11
have any interest in this match at all.
40:15
Agreed. And I think that brings an end
40:16
to the week in review. Anything else you want to have,
40:18
Luke? No, I say it's been a big week.
40:20
Like I say, more, more weeks like it, I feel like.
40:22
So probably not only is that any more pay per views this week.
40:25
So yeah, we'll we'll see. We'll hopefully get a Saturday
40:27
night's Main event, as you said. I've got a question for you and
40:31
I don't want don't let this go into did they really say that?
40:36
Because we're going to do that when we get there.
40:39
So don't don't go into that. But I've got a question.
40:42
So someone who I know who listens to the pod came the main
40:45
said, Oh, like I missed that segment.
40:48
You do when it's like is is Ricochet world champion yet?
40:50
But also I believe Ricochet lost the belt this week.
40:54
Yes, he did. So he's no longer the national
40:57
champion and he's no longer and he's still never been a world
41:00
champion. So that's that segment done for
41:02
this week. So I'm glad some reminders of
41:04
that. So yeah.
41:04
So I'll ask you again. We'll do the full segment.
41:06
Peter Is Ricochet world champion yet?
41:08
He's not. No, he's not.
41:10
No. Excellent.
41:10
Is he still employed? We'll talk about that later.
41:13
He is of this recording, Yes, we will get to that.
41:16
But now, perfect segue. We are going into a moment in
41:19
time. That is where week by week we
41:21
take the turns to choose a wrestling match or a moment or
41:24
an event, whatever it is, it's currently be matches and we look
41:29
back at it. We want to try and pick the
41:31
matches that people don't talk about as much.
41:32
So everybody loves Hulk, Cogan versus Andrew, for example, or
41:36
Bretton Austin or you know, Triple H Michaels, Undertaker,
41:40
Michaels, the big matches. We try to look at things maybe a
41:43
little bit more obscure that we enjoyed our interest and for
41:46
whatever reason. And Luke, for this week, you
41:48
picked the moment in time. Do you want to run us through
41:49
it? I did, yeah.
41:51
So it's from Unforgiven 2008, which was on September the 7th
41:55
of that year, 2008. It's the last time WWE ever did
41:59
a pay-per-view on the Unforgiven banner.
42:02
It was done at the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, setting the
42:06
scene number one in the UK this the month of September.
42:08
Katy Perry's Kissed a Girl and Kings Of Leon, Sex on Fire.
42:11
Highest grossing films of the year.
42:12
Dark Knight, Indiana Jones and the Crystal School, Kung Fu
42:15
Panda, Hancock, Mamma Mia. So that's kind of, you know,
42:18
setting the scene for this pay-per-view.
42:20
And then, yeah, so the match I've picked is the WWE
42:23
Championship match, Championship Scramble.
42:27
So could you remember this match first of all?
42:30
I don't remember the match. I just remember the fact that
42:33
the Brian Kendrick or the Brian Kendrick, like for part of this
42:38
match, is the WWE champion. Yeah, 100%.
42:41
So I'll pick this match because I always remember it for that
42:43
reason, because I'm big Brian Kendrick fan.
42:45
We'll go into that more in a bit later, but I always remember it
42:48
because I think I always really enjoyed that and I thought it
42:51
was a cool idea. So I thought it'd be interesting
42:53
to go back to see if it's just kind of nostalgia that made
42:55
that. But I stand by the fact that I
42:58
think it is a cool little concept.
43:00
So the kind of the official WWE Rules of a Championship scramble
43:04
match is that it's a 20 minute time limit on the match.
43:07
Two superstars start in the ring and every 5 minutes a new
43:10
superstar Enders. If a superstar scores a pinfall
43:14
or submission over another superstar, he becomes the
43:17
current champion. Whoever is a champion at the end
43:19
of the 20 minutes becomes the official champion.
43:22
So that's the rules for this multi man match.
43:25
Before we dig into it, this is where I think it's suffered a
43:28
little. So on the rest of the card you
43:30
had two other championship scramble matches.
43:33
I stand by the fact that I like a championship scramble, but
43:36
three too many scrambles doesn't appear.
43:39
That was the gimmick. It was like all world titles are
43:41
in the scrambles, wasn't it? That was the selling gimmick of
43:44
it, but it is too much scramble. Yeah, so the first Rumble match
43:47
was Matt Hardy winning the ECW World Heavyweight title.
43:51
So in that match he beat Chavo Finley, Mark Henry, and The Miz,
43:56
Cody and Ted Dibiosi, Junior Legacy beat Crime Time, HBK beat
44:01
Y2J in an unsanctioned match, Michelle Mccool beat Maurice,
44:05
and then Y2J put himself in the World Heavyweight title match
44:09
after Punk had been taken out and beat Batista, Kane, JBL, and
44:13
Mysterio. So that was the other matches on
44:15
the card. Like I say, 3 scrambles are too
44:17
many, doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
44:19
So let's dive into the match itself then, shall we?
44:23
Yeah, let's do that. So obviously just watched this
44:25
recently. It was a nice, fun match, as in
44:27
it was, you know, I think it was only 20 minutes long.
44:30
Yeah, well, that is the official rules.
44:32
Yeah, that is correct. There we go, 20 minutes exactly.
44:35
And it's obviously we unsuperstars each every 5
44:38
minutes. So kindly I like a kind of
44:43
rundown of the match before and as well, so I've got how
44:46
everyone qualify for the match if you'd like.
44:48
Oh yeah, let's do that. Because yeah, this is some
44:50
names. So Kendrick won a battle royal,
44:53
MVP beat Festus AKA Luke Gallows, Benjamin beat Finley,
44:59
Jeff Hardy beat the great collie.
45:00
Big Show also qualified but he had to where he got kicked out
45:04
by the Guerrero on the lead up of the match.
45:05
So Big Show should have been in this.
45:09
Wow. So that's that's how we get
45:10
where people in then obviously Triple H was the champion, so.
45:13
It would have been seven people in it if big shooting get
45:15
banned. Yeah, Is that right, Kendrick
45:18
MVP Benjamin Hardy, Big shot 6? That would have been 6 instead
45:21
of five. Yeah.
45:23
Awesome. So on on commentary as well, I
45:25
quite like because Act because he had Jr. and Taz and I feel
45:28
they're like a bit of a forgotten tag team duo.
45:30
But I thought they always worked really get really well together
45:33
and I thought they were quite consistent for a long period of
45:35
time. And it always reminds us of.
45:37
Could you ever remember when it was a Halloween edition of
45:39
Smackdown and Jr. and Taz were dressed as an Army soldier and a
45:43
sailor? Jr. was the sailor.
45:46
I don't remember. That yeah, it's worth looking.
45:48
We'll put that picture on the socials because Jr. said I look
45:51
so cute as a sailor. Pat Patterson has been talking
45:53
to us. More to do.
45:54
Actually. Yeah, he did.
45:56
Yeah. It could be that.
45:56
Yeah. Did he say that?
45:57
Yeah, he definitely did. Maybe maybe you should address
46:00
as a ring boy. You should.
46:01
Well, wouldn't it? Would it be more than talking to
46:05
him? Allegedly, Allegedly, allegedly.
46:07
But yeah, So the match itself. So Jeff Hardy's out first big
46:09
pop. He's looking good.
46:10
He's healthy. Jeff Hardy, at this point, he's
46:12
only a couple of months away from finally winning the WWE
46:15
title. Starts the match with Shelton
46:17
Benjamin, who's US champion at the time, and he's doing his
46:19
gold standard gimmick. I think Benjamin's someone that
46:22
we could definitely look at for maybe he's cursed by the
46:24
wrestling gods because he's someone who you'd think should
46:26
have been world champion at that point.
46:28
So them to start out the match, but a chain wrestling kind of it
46:32
to an extent, killing some time. Then out next the man with the
46:36
plan, Mr. Brian Kendrick, one of my all time favourites did.
46:40
Can I ask what would you like Hendrick?
46:42
What's your opinions on him? I like Kendrick as AI, like him
46:52
as a I've been a big fan of like him in the moment.
46:58
That makes sense. All right, looking back and
47:00
watching him wrestle, I do enjoy watching them wrestling.
47:04
I think he could be another one like you do Curse for Wrestling
47:06
Gods or maybe Brian Kendrick. Yeah, he's a really interesting
47:09
career because he was one of the guys that got trained by Sean,
47:11
didn't he, with Brian Danielson? He was indeed.
47:14
And I also like our because he wrestled for a bit of spanky as
47:17
well, and he has a little bit of resemblance to Leonardo
47:19
DiCaprio. So I know on the Indies for a
47:21
bit, I think he was wrestling as Leonardo to spank you.
47:24
So that's fun. But yeah, so this is him out
47:27
with his kind and this is kind of his one and only kind of semi
47:30
serious pushed, you know, I mean, he's in there with kind of
47:32
Hall of Fame as really, especially with Triple H and
47:35
Jeff Hardy. So I think it's cool to see him
47:37
in there, which I think isn't the reason why we chose this.
47:39
Like why I chose this much because like, yeah, you're not
47:42
going to get any other title matches for the WE title with
47:45
Brian Kendrick and that I can think of.
47:47
So yes, he comes out, Jeff pins and pretty quickly.
47:50
So Jeff is now the current WWE champion.
47:53
But then out of Norway, Kendrick pins Jeff.
47:56
So the Brian Kendrick is the unofficial WWE champion MVP out.
48:02
Kendrick has a nice little crossbody.
48:04
I thought if you just watch that, when Kendrick hit that
48:07
crossbody, I thought if you just watch this match and didn't know
48:09
anything about it, I don't think Kendrick looks out of place,
48:11
does he? No one.
48:13
I feel that maybe this, I feel he's put in here as a test as in
48:18
because I know that like behind the scenes you could be a bit
48:20
erratic with behaviours and stuff and could he be trusted
48:22
maybe by the company? I feel he was putting, he had to
48:24
be because he's in our workings. A lot of the moves that happen
48:27
and a lot of the a lot. Of the.
48:29
And I feel he proved here that he could do that and he could be
48:32
reliable. And I feel he was he was here
48:34
for that reason. And it was for the company to be
48:36
like come with trust you, except we can if you prove yourself
48:39
here, we could maybe you not show me an event, but we could
48:42
put you in the mid car legitimately.
48:44
And I think with with big Ezekiel Aziz heater that that
48:48
could definitely work. Now later on, does he do more
48:51
things? I don't know.
48:51
And that is that why Peters out Perhaps, but I've even this
48:54
match he's put in as a test and I feel he really delivers in the
48:56
match, No. 100% like I say, I think if you just got someone to
48:59
watch it, they wouldn't think like who the folks that like do
49:01
I mean like who's this job or whatever.
49:03
So now I thought I think it is cool to see him kind of get that
49:06
tryout and I think matches like this, multi men matches, they
49:09
are good. Like we talked about it with the
49:11
Elimination Chamber, was good to see what you're called get put
49:16
in it. Who we were talking about, she's
49:19
with Julia. I've got a name on that human.
49:23
Yeah, that's bad. That's I think she Kiana James.
49:26
So like, yeah, I think it gives people like that a chance in a
49:27
multi man match to kind of be in there with some big hit as and
49:30
say how to handle it. I thought in this match as well,
49:32
Benjamin's really hard hitting again, we could do a whole curse
49:34
by the wrestling gods on him potentially because there's a
49:36
lot of wasted opportunity there. Triple H out clears house
49:40
pedigree Kendrick, he's now to be champion.
49:42
Benjamin get some offensive on Triple H nice little drop down
49:45
on the steps. Twist of fate on MVP.
49:47
Hardy now WE champion. Nice reversal.
49:50
The slice of bread #2 by Jeff Hardy.
49:52
When Kendrick tries to hit that, Kendrick eats another pedigree
49:55
Triple HWE champion again. Then in the closing moments of
49:58
the match, Jeff hits this one ton while Triple H isn't
50:02
looking, he becomes WWE champion.
50:04
Benjamin pops up massive electric chair drop with MVP and
50:08
Kendrick and then last 30 seconds of the match.
50:11
Whisper in the wind Swanton to Benjamin, Pedigree the MD to
50:14
MVP. Triple H managed to get on the
50:17
pin first. He is the champion at the very
50:19
end by seconds despair and leaves the match still the WWE
50:23
champion. So kind of overall thought on
50:26
the match. Yeah.
50:28
So I think 2:00 Well, three things I suppose.
50:31
Number one is that in the build up this, it's always that like
50:34
the try to sort of push Jeff is like we want him to be the world
50:37
champion and when Jeff comes out, he gets such a pop, I guess
50:40
probably at his biggest here. He definitely is.
50:43
Yeah. This is kind of the best it ever
50:44
gets, which is which isn't kind of diminishing it because I'm a
50:47
big Jeff Hardy fan, but like he looks good as well because I
50:49
think when we did the six month table match, it was kind of
50:54
couple of months before he gets his first release and I don't
50:56
think he looks healthy way. He looks really good here.
50:58
Yeah, so I think, you know, he's ready for it.
51:01
The fans are ready for it and they put him in.
51:02
He has like this is Jeff's chance to win.
51:04
Now obviously he doesn't win, but then we know in a few months
51:07
he does. So that's what they're building
51:08
the wards of as they're trying to prove Jeff is legitimate and
51:11
it's working. I think Jeff looks 1,000,000
51:13
bucks here and the story is that Jeff could win it here, which is
51:16
great and it ties in at the end as well, which I'll get to.
51:19
So that's number one. Number 2 is that a feel once
51:23
Trip Reach gets in the match, the the narration is like the
51:28
only thing stopping Triple H from winning is the time limit
51:31
and it's like he needs to get the pin before the time runs out
51:34
or he loses the belt. But the feeling is on comedy is
51:37
that like Triple H is the best here and if he gets the pin he
51:42
will be the champion, which I thought was I don't know.
51:46
In one way it was like Buchen Triple H to the moon in the way
51:51
it was talked about. But I feel in the match there is
51:55
legitimate threats to him in there.
51:57
So it's it's not too bad. And then thirdly, just the use
52:00
of time. So I feel that like it's
52:02
actually like he pins the mic on the exact second.
52:04
So after he hits the pedigree, like the timing of this match is
52:07
fantastic. I think that's hard to do.
52:10
But these are pros. Obviously they're all the best,
52:12
but like you've seen how easy it is to get things wrong.
52:15
You know, when you're doing live entertainment like this and
52:17
live, live, live athleticism and live action and you know, the
52:22
fact that Neil, the pedigree Jeff hits the Swanton and Jeff
52:25
sort of is a bit weak. So you kind of get the pin in
52:28
time and truly she's able to get it and literally like as the
52:31
clock goes zero and gets the three count.
52:33
So yeah, perfect use of suspension of time then and
52:36
getting people involved. That was exciting.
52:38
You're like, oh, is he going to do it or is he not?
52:40
Right? Said the build up.
52:41
But the only, the only thing I could beat Triple H was the
52:43
time. And then it nearly did.
52:44
So it was like exciting in that way.
52:45
And then yeah, at the end as well.
52:47
Also like how Triple H and Jeff shake hands.
52:50
You know, Triple H gives Jeff the rope here and Triple H sort
52:52
of things to Jeff that, you know, he just missed out by like
52:54
a little bit. He does like the inch sign with
52:56
his hand. And yeah, the one on the way to
52:58
book and Jeff Hardy as a future WWE champion, which I think was
53:02
yeah. No, Yeah, that was, that was
53:05
great. Yeah.
53:05
What? Were your thoughts on it all?
53:10
No, actually, I think it's just fun.
53:11
I like when I think obviously it's over.
53:13
It's overkill if you watch the full pay-per-view because
53:15
there's 3 championship scramble matches of it and it's like what
53:17
we've said how I don't necessarily like how there's two
53:19
elimination chambers, 2 ladder matches, things like that.
53:22
So yeah, I think it's cool. I think it should.
53:24
There's definitely something that they could revisit.
53:25
I was because I was, I was talking to our friend and friend
53:29
of the show, Matt, and I was saying like at this year's
53:31
WrestleMania, it could be cool to do one for like the US or the
53:34
IC title because obviously you've got pent on Raw, you've
53:37
got to be like Dragon League you could put in there so you can
53:39
really fast-paced one. And then on the Smackdown side
53:41
of the coin, you've got obviously Carmelo here's who's
53:43
been doing his US Open challenge, which has been a lot
53:45
of fun. So kind of a multi man match of
53:47
maybe all the different people he's faced.
53:49
And again, it gets people on the card and it's a bit different,
53:52
especially because for a little while we thought we were going
53:55
to get a multi man WWE title match, which isn't the case now.
53:58
I think kind of maybe he's one for the US or I see could be
54:00
cool and it would be even cool after the championship scramble.
54:03
I've got absolutely no the reason to think that would
54:07
happen at all and I'd be very, very surprised.
54:09
But I think it could definitely be something that could be
54:11
brought back as a one off, even if it's just maybe for like 1 #1
54:15
contenders match. So I I tried to do a bit digging
54:17
on it but I couldn't really find any reason as to why it's never
54:21
been done since, but I think it's a shame.
54:23
Yeah, I would love it if we'd if I met all here is there's a
54:26
championship scramble match at WrestleMania and then Mac Odonal
54:28
wins it and he's the US champion leave in WrestleMania.
54:31
I would love that. Yeah, mate, he'd be nailed on to
54:33
be in that match like so yeah, definitely.
54:36
That's what I mean. I think it would be cool.
54:37
I hope, I hope I do get because I do like multi man matches and
54:40
I think when they're a bit lower down on the card it's it's it's
54:43
better as well. So yeah, I think it would be
54:44
cool if they did that. They won't do a scramble match,
54:47
but yeah, they should definitely, definitely do it
54:48
again. Then one thing I did I forgot to
54:51
mention I didn't know it down is that I loved how they sort of
54:54
they changed the match with like who ended.
54:56
So obviously Jeff starts with Shelton and I thought was quite
54:59
a hard hitting like heavy affair.
55:01
And then when Brian Kendrick and as it starts to pick up speed
55:03
and there's a few more like high spots and stuff, MVP comes in
55:06
and he's a bit more hard hitting than we obviously get the main
55:08
event. But I love how like the up the
55:11
ante is more people came in and the style changed as these guys
55:15
essentially the people who end that when the end had got to
55:17
sort of put their personality on the match, which I think really
55:19
worked and helped emphasize it more and help them emphasize
55:22
themselves and get them over. Yeah, definitely, because that's
55:24
what like I say, that's what can be cool about multi man match.
55:27
You don't have to win it to kind of stand out.
55:28
And I think Kendrick does stand out in that match for that,
55:31
which is a shame. Nothing ever else there really
55:33
came from it. But like I say, we'll maybe do a
55:35
deep dive as to why that was. Indeed, that would definitely be
55:38
a really good curse by the wrestling gods, I think.
55:42
But yeah, I think that brings an end to a moment in time.
55:45
Are you ready for? Did they really say that, Luke?
55:48
Well. Is that what we're doing now?
55:49
I am. I'm fucking well ready.
55:52
So did they really say that? You might be asking what that
55:55
is? So that's where we look back at
55:56
a quote from somebody in wrestling.
55:58
It could be from an actual like official promo from an actual
56:01
event, an interview. It could be from a sort of a
56:03
magazine interview, could be from something they've said in a
56:06
book, something they've said off the cuff to a fan.
56:08
It could be anything like that. Could be on social media, which
56:10
it is. This week we are talking about
56:12
Ricochet and you know, we've talked about how he's on Twitter
56:15
quite a bit and, you know, he's firing back and forth and is a
56:17
part of a gimmick. He's very feisty.
56:19
But essentially, I mean, I know you've done some research in
56:23
this loop. I don't know if you want to.
56:24
I've chose about if you want to take it away.
56:27
Well, yeah, because she would do.
56:28
This is like a timeline. So this all stems so it will go
56:31
about a revolution. Ricochet lost the title in a
56:34
backstage segment. He was showing kind of throwing
56:37
trash cans around, kicking off, not being happy that he's lost
56:40
the title. Fair enough.
56:41
Someone on Twitter X is now for us is now known called Sandy
56:46
tweeted. I can see his acting hasn't
56:48
improved, so we'll start with that has.
56:51
I can see his acting hasn't improved as a comment goes.
56:55
What's your opinion on that? Should Sandy have said that?
56:58
Is that a really nasty thing to say in the scale of things?
57:01
What? What do you make of that as a
57:02
comment to tweet a wrestler? Is that word for word?
57:05
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, his acting hasn't
57:07
improved. And then laughing faces,
57:09
laughing emojis, that that's all, she said.
57:11
His actor hasn't improved. So as a comment.
57:15
So there's no, there's no bad language.
57:17
There's no, there's no like really bad insult.
57:19
It's not violent, it's not vicious, you know, is it unkind?
57:23
Maybe it's a bit unkind, but I feel really as a professional
57:27
you should be able to like, let that roll off your back maybe.
57:31
100% I think in the in the expression, you know, on the on
57:34
the cesspit that is ex formerly known as Twitter, there's a lot
57:38
worse things get said and we can leave it at that.
57:40
Yeah, so that's that's what you said to ricochet a best deal in
57:44
the business according to some people.
57:46
His response. I'm glad you have Ms. thoughts.
57:51
So. So Sandy suffers from multiple
57:54
sclerosis, right? Yes.
57:57
So what you must have done to find that out is click on our
57:59
profile, go through it and realize that she's got Ms. And
58:02
all you responded with was I'm glad you have Ms. And that is,
58:08
did they really say that? And I can't believe that two
58:10
things. So the reason why I picked this
58:11
because I can't believe that he's reacted to that comment
58:13
where it's like socials code, you're a bad actor, Like who
58:17
cares? You're making lots of money,
58:19
you're on television, you know, you've got a lovely wife.
58:24
Like just enjoy your life. Like if someone says they don't
58:27
like your acting, just like laugh it off.
58:29
Laugh it off if they're talking about you almost.
58:30
But it's like he hasn't, he's bit here, he's gone nothing in
58:34
the profile. So he's had to click, he's had
58:35
to do a few clicks here. He's he's into it, right?
58:38
He's read some, he's come back with a personal insult about her
58:42
condition. And then he's sort of just like,
58:45
is he making the mockery of everybody who's supposed with a
58:47
mess? Quite possibly.
58:51
Well, it's not, yeah, like I say, I just, I just think it's
58:53
unnecessary personally. And it shows that he's extremely
58:56
kind of skin thinned. But it doesn't end there, does
58:58
it? Because obviously he said that
59:00
there's been an instant rifle in my opinion, backlash.
59:04
So this is his follow up because this is this one's a bit more
59:06
wordy, but I think this is kind of important the way we're head.
59:08
So this is his response once people have said probably should
59:12
have said that. Should you mate?
59:13
So this is the response word for word.
59:15
It's so hilarious that the amount of little bitches who has
59:20
tweeted and wished harm on me, terrible English who has wished
59:23
even death said some of the most vile.
59:26
That's block capitals things to me and block capitals my wife.
59:31
People who try and make fun of me every day.
59:33
But those same little bitches can't take it when I do it back
59:37
to people. Fucking pussies everywhere.
59:39
Thoughts on that response? I mean, it's almost like Trump
59:43
escapee is doubling down on his nonsense.
59:46
Like, I feel just like, just just turn the app off at this
59:48
point, ricochet. Like, yeah, you're just digging
59:50
a hole big time. Let it go. 100% And then this is
59:56
where like, I think it's like where my point is where I just
59:58
think Ricochet is shit because you'll get people going.
1:00:01
And this was kind of the conversation I want to have with
1:00:03
you. Well, you know, he's being a
1:00:04
heel. This is his character on
1:00:07
television. He's, you know, portraying that
1:00:09
he's got people talking about himself.
1:00:10
So therefore it's worked, right. But where do you think the line
1:00:14
should be drawn with that? So can he go online and tweet
1:00:17
that he thinks the Nazis were right and then just go while I
1:00:21
was in character? When when can I was in character
1:00:24
stop? Being the answer why you've said
1:00:26
something. Well, I think he's not in
1:00:32
character as he's saying like. Oh, he's not that.
1:00:34
I think that's why it's when people are like, oh, he's in
1:00:37
character. I say no, he's fucking not.
1:00:38
He's a thin skinned little bitch.
1:00:40
I think if he was in character, his reply would be more like he
1:00:43
would go back to it and be like, not buttered, but he's reply
1:00:46
would be like, look at you, you're so poor, like I'm so rich
1:00:50
and successful. Like build it on that type of
1:00:51
thing. Like he's putting people down
1:00:53
for not being like him. But it's nothing, it's nothing
1:00:55
personal. Do you know what I mean?
1:00:56
He's just saying like, I'm a superstar and you're not like
1:00:59
that. That needs to be the insult
1:01:00
right there needs to be young. You're just your common Internet
1:01:04
muck and I'm superstar wrestler and that that that works.
1:01:07
And probably people would be in that.
1:01:08
And people will be like, Oh, I'll try and get a reaction out
1:01:10
of him and he's going to call us poor and he's going to call
1:01:12
himself a superstar like that, that type of thing.
1:01:14
But he hasn't he's like attacked it disease, which by the way,
1:01:17
it's a it's a chronic like autoimmune disease it.
1:01:20
Causes a breakdown it. Causes a breakdown of protective
1:01:23
nerve coverings, especially in a spinal cord and brain.
1:01:26
It can cause numbness, weakness, trouble walking and vision
1:01:29
changes. Like there's no cure for Ms. by
1:01:31
the way, there's treatments available, there's no cure.
1:01:32
So it's very serious and like to attack somebody for that when
1:01:37
they've just said that your akin's not very good.
1:01:38
I think. Like if you are on character,
1:01:40
you wouldn't come after the Ms., you would come after the CN.
1:01:44
Like you're born furnitures online all day, I in you in your
1:01:47
mother's basement, whatever. Like you know what I.
1:01:50
Mean even just like look at the profile picture and have a go at
1:01:53
them visually. I'm still not saying that's
1:01:54
right. But yeah, like do a deep dive
1:01:56
and jump in on that. You just you just a Dick.
1:01:58
And you know, in this kind of response, the line that stands
1:02:01
out for me when he goes, people who try and make fun of me every
1:02:04
day, like you triggered on you, me, you're rattled.
1:02:07
Like that was your genuine response That was like that
1:02:09
wasn't in character. Like people who try and make fun
1:02:12
of me every day. So that was his initial response
1:02:15
where you know he's in character, which he wasn't.
1:02:19
Someone higher ups. Another word with him.
1:02:21
The next response. So this is Ricochets following
1:02:23
response. I took out my hatred for the
1:02:26
Internet wrestling community on Sunday and inadvertently others
1:02:30
who are affected by Ms. She didn't deserve it and for that I
1:02:33
sincerely apologize. Moving forward, I'll do better.
1:02:37
Thoughts. Would you do better or would you
1:02:40
get triggered again? Exactly, that's the thing you
1:02:43
reduce cannon at this point, aren't you?
1:02:44
And that's that like, mate, you've already done your
1:02:47
response and you're kicking off because people make fun of you
1:02:49
every day and have a go at your wife and then you've had this
1:02:51
fucking pussies everywhere. But then what's happened is
1:02:53
you've been called into the big office and they've said what the
1:02:56
fuck are you doing? Like he's worried for his job
1:03:00
now, because I was reading just before we kind of started doing
1:03:02
this. So you know, Brian Alvarez,
1:03:04
which again, you know, take with a pinch of salt what you said.
1:03:06
His quote on the whole matter is that if Ricochet is crossing his
1:03:08
fingers, he's hoping that he's still employed by the end of the
1:03:11
week. Because like like the back, the
1:03:13
powers that be at AW are not fucking happy.
1:03:15
And again, it goes down to what you were saying about kind of,
1:03:18
you know, sponsors and things like that.
1:03:20
And you know, AW got history of pulling people.
1:03:23
You know, Brian Kendrick got pulled from a show.
1:03:24
So from previous tweets, Trey Miguel recently got hired than
1:03:28
sacked like 5 days later because of tweets.
1:03:30
Obviously the Briscoes never got on TV as A tag team because of
1:03:33
things they had said in the past.
1:03:35
So like, I think I think you might be gone me.
1:03:37
What do you think? Kind of.
1:03:38
Do you think you can write that out?
1:03:41
Depends on how much noise is coming from one of others.
1:03:43
Discovery and obviously. It's been picked up so far in
1:03:46
places like Vice and mainstream outlets.
1:03:49
So, like, it's out of like, kind of, you know, the Internet
1:03:52
wrestling community that Ricochet hates so much.
1:03:54
It's getting mainstream attention now.
1:03:57
Yeah, so I think it just depends on how much noise it's got and
1:04:00
depends who's ringing Tony Corn and who's ringing AW from Warner
1:04:03
Brothers. I think.
1:04:04
Obviously I know that the tweets have not been deleted, although
1:04:06
despite his apology early in the day, he was reporting fans who
1:04:09
were defending him. So that's C, but I could be 5050
1:04:14
here, which you know, is not where you want to be if you're
1:04:16
Ricochet. No, I mean, apparently his
1:04:18
wife's had to deactivate her Twitter account.
1:04:20
So it's like if I drag your wife into a four, I do what I mean,
1:04:23
it's just like it was just a fucking stupid thing to do.
1:04:26
That's come from a real place of insecurity, which is why I like,
1:04:29
you know, I'm I'm I'm sorry that you feel so insecure, but it's
1:04:32
like why I don't like him because like, I don't think
1:04:33
you're believable like this character that you portray, and
1:04:36
I don't think it is miss. And even then the character this
1:04:39
like ledge card like you're playing, I think it's shit.
1:04:42
So I like get back in your lane indeed.
1:04:46
And then yeah, just, I think you just, you can't be doing it.
1:04:52
And once you've done it, you need to definitely apologize and
1:04:54
be sincere. And then you then you just
1:04:56
behave yourself for like a long time which.
1:04:59
I think what's fucked him. Is.
1:05:01
The fact I think what's fucked him is the fact that he had his
1:05:04
response calling everyone pussies then he's had to go and
1:05:06
say sorry. I think if he had, if he just
1:05:08
said the Ms. comment then put the second apology on where
1:05:12
he'll do better and he shouldn't have done it, he might have been
1:05:14
better standing. But I think it's the first
1:05:17
retaliation where it's like, Nah.
1:05:21
No, definitely. Well, I think that brings an end
1:05:24
to Did he really say that? And he did so, you know, tell
1:05:28
Tony Khan he. Did indeed.
1:05:31
And it might be next week. Is he still employed?
1:05:33
Yeah. Is he not yet Not Is he a world
1:05:35
champion? But is he?
1:05:36
Is he employed? And there's a part of it was
1:05:39
horrible because you don't want someone to lose the job, but
1:05:41
there's a part of us that does because then it's like, where
1:05:43
does he go from there? Because it's like it's he's
1:05:45
really, he's been slagging WD off quite recently as well.
1:05:48
So there's no way he's going back there.
1:05:50
So it's like if he if he gets himself fired from AW, he's
1:05:53
properly fucked himself because obviously TNA have got that
1:05:55
working relationship with the WWE.
1:05:57
So yeah, I mean, they don't have to consult WE who the employee,
1:06:00
I don't assume, but I'd imagine the probably is conversations.
1:06:04
So it's like, yeah, he could have massively, hugely fucked
1:06:07
himself here with regards to kind of being on a mainstream
1:06:10
wrestling product, which he clearly wants.
1:06:13
Definitely I agree with that 1%. So maybe could be world champion
1:06:17
but it be world champion of Indy.
1:06:19
Yeah, we'll get on with the night to give him a call, but go
1:06:21
on his shores. Yeah, he could be, could be
1:06:23
there. You'd be the referee.
1:06:26
Should we move on to Cursed by the Wrestling Gods?
1:06:28
Yes, please. So this is where we look at here
1:06:31
like a gimmick or a person, a full career.
1:06:34
It could be an event, just something that has come question
1:06:38
to a halt or didn't work out or maybe we think could have could
1:06:43
have been better for that individual thing and maybe due
1:06:46
to unforeseen circumstances that come to an end or things like
1:06:49
that. And today we are looking at Mr.
1:06:52
Essay Rios. So essay Rios is a guy called
1:06:58
Jose Delgado Saldana. He's also known as Mr. Aguila,
1:07:03
if I pronounced that correctly. And like I said, his time as
1:07:08
Essay Rios was actually very small in his career.
1:07:10
But that's when I talked about that's when he was in the big
1:07:12
time. That's when he was in the World
1:07:13
Wrestling Federation or the WWE for a short period of time.
1:07:18
When I say serious, what do you remember Luke?
1:07:20
Alright, I do have a fond memory of them, like because you
1:07:23
wrestle a lot on Heat in Heat used to get put on Channel 4
1:07:26
like a Sunday afternoon at like 2:00.
1:07:29
So kind of I watched Heat quite a lot at the time period that he
1:07:33
was on. So like I thought he was cool as
1:07:36
well because you know, I would have been like 8910 and he had
1:07:38
the tattoos and the kind of long red hair and the bandanas and he
1:07:41
did flips. So like I do have a memory of
1:07:43
them where like I've probably seen more matches of his than I
1:07:47
actually realized purely by just kind of it was the 90s you were
1:07:50
limited to what was on earth was wrestling and I would watch it
1:07:53
and he was on there pretty regularly.
1:07:56
Yeah, so for me, that's where I remembered him from.
1:07:58
I'm in Washington tonight because what we got here in the
1:08:00
UK, like really easily, I remember him having the red
1:08:04
hair. Obviously he wasn't mass, but he
1:08:05
was luchador style. So he was high flying, flashy.
1:08:09
He had Lita as his manager, you know, again, a very distinctive
1:08:13
look there. So, you know, both of them are
1:08:14
very attractive people. They look great.
1:08:16
They're both doing high flying things in the ring.
1:08:18
You know, it's hot. It's hot stuff.
1:08:22
And he comes and he debuts on on.
1:08:29
When he debuts as SA Rios, you know he wins the light
1:08:32
heavyweight championship from Gilberg on Sunday Night Heat.
1:08:35
Obviously he's Raymond short lived as you know, he would lose
1:08:38
the title of Dimmenenko a few weeks later.
1:08:40
Obviously, as I said, during his time as SA Rios, he was managed
1:08:43
by a leader. She would often repeat his
1:08:46
finishing move. So the moonsault like that
1:08:48
leader's famous for obviously SA Rios was doing first he and the
1:08:53
other had a few Eddie Greer on China, which led to the European
1:08:55
title match. Eddie lost that sorry SA Rios
1:09:01
lost that word. He won and then WWE broke up SA
1:09:05
Rios and Lita. That was in May of that year,
1:09:08
2000 on Smackdown, after an angry Rios attacked Lita because
1:09:12
he had lost the match and it was there a Hardy Boys King Lita's
1:09:15
rescue. So, you know, lead and the Hardy
1:09:19
Boys too, extremely. That's such a big thing in
1:09:21
wrestling, right? And it's all because of Essie
1:09:24
Rios. Who knows why he has then?
1:09:25
That's why they have that feud. It does lead to sort of essay
1:09:28
feuding with the Hardy Boys for a bit.
1:09:30
And yeah, sadly, essay Rios lapsed into obscurity in late
1:09:33
2000. He had a brief feud with Kurt
1:09:35
Angle, believe it or not, and that culminated with the main
1:09:37
event match on Sunday Night Heat.
1:09:42
So yeah, he had a very small involvement in the Invasion
1:09:44
Angle. Most notably, he was
1:09:46
unsuccessful when he challenged Chris Canyon for the WCW United
1:09:50
States Championship, and that was on an episode of WWF Metal.
1:09:54
Believe it or not, that will be his last.
1:09:56
I don't think we've got over here as we.
1:09:59
That will be his last televised match with the company.
1:10:03
And yeah, he's released from the company and he started taking
1:10:06
Japanese bookends in December of 2001.
1:10:08
He did come to WWF earlier. So Bruno Art Delgado made his
1:10:13
debut for the Durif in 1997 on episode of Raw, and that was of
1:10:19
the newly relaunched light heavyweight division.
1:10:21
He was only 19 when he did that. That was when he was wrestling
1:10:24
under the name Aguila in the IE 4 Takamich NGU.
1:10:30
He did a few bits there, but he's most known for, you know,
1:10:33
he's wrestled in CMLL, which is the other big Mexican promotion
1:10:37
apart from AAA. And yeah, he's had a little
1:10:41
stint in Extreme Championship Wrestling where he fought
1:10:43
Dimension. You Go again at the 1999 Cyber
1:10:46
Slam event. That was his only match in the
1:10:48
ECW, though. He's wrestled in AAA, he's
1:10:50
wrestled in TNA a little bit, but the game's only there for
1:10:54
like a year. And yeah, really went to CMLL
1:10:58
again as I missed that Agreela after his WWF run.
1:11:03
And I think his last appearance was in 2017, maybe at AAA.
1:11:09
So with WE now one AAA, like is the chance front to be involved?
1:11:13
I don't know. But yeah, I think for me when he
1:11:18
debuted in WWE or WWF as SA Rios with Lolita, he wins the
1:11:25
Cruiserweight championship or the light Heavyweight
1:11:26
championship as it was could known like straight away.
1:11:29
And I said like the presentation was hot.
1:11:32
They both looked great. They were both doing high flying
1:11:34
things. They were both red bandanas, red
1:11:37
hair, the luchador thing, even though we're masked, you know,
1:11:40
there was nobody else doing that on television at the time I
1:11:42
thought in the company. So they really stood out and it
1:11:45
was really hot ticket and I feel it fizzled out where the reason
1:11:48
why I picked it is because I feel it had a lot, it had a lot
1:11:51
more potential than it had. Now, obviously lead out goes on
1:11:54
to become a Hall of Famer. So is lead out of Shawn Michaels
1:11:59
and is SA Rios, the mortgage and maybe Luke?
1:12:02
I think definitely from that point of view and the fact that
1:12:04
one's at a Hall of Fame and the other guy, if you ask some
1:12:08
people who he was, wouldn't know who he was, which isn't a slight
1:12:10
on him. I like the pick because, you
1:12:13
know, it's a bit of a deep cut. And I think that there could be
1:12:16
a slight argument made that he was maybe a little bit before
1:12:18
his time that, you know, if you think there was maybe two or
1:12:22
three versions of the cruiserweight title in WWE
1:12:26
within the next 10 years to have a bit more of kind of
1:12:29
pay-per-view time, would you have fared better then?
1:12:31
You know, he had two or Five Live had its own run for a
1:12:34
while. He definitely would have been a
1:12:35
bigger star because of that. So I think kind of at the time
1:12:39
he was like I say, maybe he's a bit ahead of his time.
1:12:42
WE weren't as hot on luchador wrestling as WCW was.
1:12:46
And then I also like the pick because he's also as well as I
1:12:50
say, he was ahead of his time. The character itself is a bit of
1:12:52
a throwback in that I don't think you get this as much
1:12:55
anymore where you have guys employed by the WWE with kind of
1:12:58
full, fully developed characters who are job as essentially when
1:13:02
they're on the main show. You could maybe argue Tizawa's
1:13:05
in that booth, maybe he's our truth, but he just kind of hang
1:13:08
with the big guys so well. I think back then you had a lot
1:13:11
more people like that who were lower down the card but was
1:13:14
still on TV every week even if they weren't winning.
1:13:17
So I think there's a lot of things that that that they're
1:13:19
like when it comes to SA Rios. Definitely.
1:13:23
I just feel that like how do you hung around the like like 1/3
1:13:26
Mysterio debuts and once we get into like that era, Michael
1:13:29
team, will Dragon, Rey Mysterio, Tajiri Travel, Guerrero Junior,
1:13:35
you know, Billy Kidman like once, once all those once all
1:13:37
those crews away at all. I had to wait on there.
1:13:40
I think I feel if he was in the mix with them there'd be some
1:13:42
great matches. Oh 100%.
1:13:44
He was probably just three or four years too early really to
1:13:47
have had a bit more kind of time on TV where he was more well
1:13:50
known. Certainly.
1:13:54
I always, always thinking with these kind of cursed by the
1:13:56
wrestling guards as well. A little feature that we could
1:13:58
do with this is that like so SA Rios, for example, if you were
1:14:01
at a convention and you could get a photo with him for 20 lbs,
1:14:05
would you pay the 20 lbs. With SC Rios, yes I would.
1:14:09
Yeah, would you pay £30? Yes. 40.
1:14:17
Only if he signs it as well. I want combo for that one.
1:14:21
So with with 40 be a cut off then. 45 with a combo so you
1:14:25
signed as well as get the picture for 40.
1:14:27
Five with the combo cool, because I think that kind of
1:14:30
tells you, doesn't it, where you kind of lie and obviously
1:14:32
everyone's different, so everyone will have kind of
1:14:34
different associations with them.
1:14:35
But I think I think I'd go up to 30 because, like I say, I've got
1:14:38
do actually have fond memories of watching Heat on a Sunday
1:14:41
afternoon after me Mamad watched our Coronation Street omnibus.
1:14:44
I was allowed to telly. So like it is there etched in
1:14:47
that nostalgia on the childhood SA Rio.
1:14:49
So, you know, he's made that impact.
1:14:50
And like I say, if you probably follow things like AAA and CMLL,
1:14:54
he's probably got a much bigger legacy and, you know, hat off to
1:14:58
him. No indeed, I haven't really
1:15:01
touched any CMLL stuff stuff, but like it's there.
1:15:04
Go see if you want to guys. But same with me.
1:15:06
I remember debuted on Heat and being like, oh wow, these guys
1:15:10
are like the little cluster doing cool stuff like it's very
1:15:14
out there, like it's cool as out loving it.
1:15:17
And like I said, Sally petered out quite quick and that's why I
1:15:21
would pay that money. Probably get wrong off the wife.
1:15:23
Like why have you got this? Who?
1:15:27
Is this Mexican man you ever afford all with?
1:15:29
Yeah, yeah, actually, we also watched him for one year on
1:15:31
television and he was great. Yeah, but women don't.
1:15:35
Well, not women, but people who don't know wrestling don't
1:15:38
understand why you would do that.
1:15:43
Oh yeah, that's the last segment then.
1:15:45
So we're going to go to our final segment, which is the pro
1:15:47
wrestling feel good fact of the week, which I think you've got
1:15:49
this week. Yeah, so feel feel good fact,
1:15:52
feel good story. I just wanted to give a little
1:15:53
bit of kind of love and attention to Kaylee Ray Alba
1:15:56
fire. So obviously at the moment she's
1:15:58
very much part of Chelsea Greens kind of Secret Service and kind
1:16:03
of a breakdown of a Korea. You know, she was in ICW, which
1:16:06
we went and watched many times, three times woman champion.
1:16:09
She was in TNA British Boot camp finishing the top 3.
1:16:11
She was in the Me Young Classic NXTUK became the champion NXT
1:16:15
main event. She won the women's tag team
1:16:18
titles at in Scotland at Clash of the Castle.
1:16:23
And then obviously she's now with Chelsea Green.
1:16:26
But kind of why I want to pick her out is kind of the feel good
1:16:27
factors. Just someone where whenever I
1:16:29
see her on TVI always remember the British boot camp side of
1:16:31
things. So when she was on British boot
1:16:34
camp, she was obviously kind of wrestling ICW, but she was still
1:16:37
kind of working as a carer for people with disabilities.
1:16:41
And that was to do with kind of a kind of things in her personal
1:16:45
life and that always kind of and always remember that.
1:16:47
And then there was also kind of in 2024, mother and stepfather
1:16:51
in a car crash in Orlando where mother died.
1:16:54
So I think she's someone who kind of, you know, from
1:16:56
Scotland. I know we've got Drew and others
1:16:58
who have broke through, but she's not from kind of a part of
1:17:00
the world that kind of guarantees you success in the
1:17:03
wrestling industry. I think it's probably even more
1:17:05
so if you're a woman unfortunately coming from that
1:17:08
kind of part of the world to kind of get to a mainstream
1:17:11
wrestling company. And she's kind of going to have
1:17:13
a career where she's kind of a UK icon because of her time with
1:17:16
ICW and the NXTUK Championship. She kind of had really great
1:17:20
storylines in NXT and she's kind of made it the main roster where
1:17:24
kind of weather association with Chelsea.
1:17:26
At the moment. She is kind of part of the main
1:17:28
show every week. And I think she's someone who
1:17:30
kind of kind of always does well.
1:17:33
It kind of like we've talked about this before.
1:17:35
We're like, if you go to a comedy gig, the job of an MC
1:17:38
isn't the kind of be better than the axis to kind of, you know,
1:17:40
make people laugh but move the show on.
1:17:42
And I think she does that really well with Chelsea's act.
1:17:44
Yeah, I. Would absolutely agree with that
1:17:48
comparison. Yeah.
1:17:50
So like I say, I just think it's really nice little feel good
1:17:52
story of kind of with a background and you know, the
1:17:54
jobs actions work and kind of unfortunately kind of bad
1:17:57
personal things that's happened to her.
1:17:58
She's kind of managed to leave every like kind of, you know,
1:18:01
move from one part of the world the other and become kind of a
1:18:03
mainstay in the biggest wrestling company of all time.
1:18:06
Like should probably maybe he's not even thought that should be
1:18:09
able to do that self at the beginning.
1:18:10
But yeah, she is with a fucking really impressive resume.
1:18:13
She's still young and yeah, who knows what the future holds.
1:18:17
I still think there's all the potential in the world for her
1:18:19
to have that breakout single success as it on the main roster
1:18:22
as well. I absolutely agree with that.
1:18:24
And I think as somebody, you know, I think me and you were
1:18:26
both sort of going to British independent shows probably
1:18:30
around between 2013 and 2018. And obviously the ICW show she
1:18:36
was on, she was fantastic on sort of see her develop from
1:18:39
there where she was really good, like on the WE television now
1:18:42
where she is doing really well. I think it's really cool to see
1:18:45
somebody do that. And although we're not Scottish,
1:18:47
it's almost, you know, it's from the British independence scene
1:18:49
and you know, it's like cheering on one of our one of our own.
1:18:52
So it is. It is magical in that sense.
1:18:55
No, Is it like getting someone from kind of, you know, football
1:18:57
terms from someone from the youth Academy?
1:18:58
Because the UK wrestling kind of seeing, you know, has its ups
1:19:02
and downs. You know, it's bigger than you
1:19:04
know, it's it's hard times where it's been massive, It's hard
1:19:06
times where it's been on its house.
1:19:07
But I say we've been at a lot of shows and it is.
1:19:09
It's always cool when you see someone who you've seen and
1:19:11
like, you know, 300 see a venue that's a fucking nightclub
1:19:15
normally. And then like I say, she'll
1:19:18
treading down the ring at WrestleMania.
1:19:20
And I think it's really cool that you got to win the tag
1:19:22
titles in Scotland on a huge, huge paper view.
1:19:26
No, definitely. And I think it's it's fantastic,
1:19:28
really, really good pick. You can't really guard you pick
1:19:30
this one because it really just put things in perspective I
1:19:32
think as well. Yeah, never give up on your
1:19:34
dreams there, you know what I mean?
1:19:35
It's, it's a, it's a very impressive story.
1:19:39
It is indeed Luke. I think, that brings an end to
1:19:42
this episode. Is there any last bits of
1:19:44
wrestling you want to chat about before we wrap it up?
1:19:47
No, just obviously we'll be back same time next week.
1:19:49
Obviously get in touch and we'll obviously do the double hit.
1:19:52
Our question now is Ricochet still employed?
1:19:55
Is he world champion yet? We look forward to see what
1:19:57
happens in the continued minute by minute fall out of that
1:20:00
because like I say that Brian Alvarez quote I read came out
1:20:03
just before recorded this. So it's it's it's an unfolding
1:20:05
story. It hasn't finished yet.
1:20:07
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