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Critically Acclaimed #342 | The Conjuring: Last Rites, The Long Walk, Spinal Tap II, The History of Sound, Twinless, The History of Sound · Critically Acclaimed Network

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  [SPEAKER_01]: Greetings friends.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to critically acclaimed the film review podcast where we have good taste On this week's critically acclaimed podcast the role of good taste will be played by the bassoon But you're you're humming the clarinet.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that wasn't good taste That was very bad taste.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's you The role of bad taste will be played by the clarinet
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  [SPEAKER_01]: My name is Whitney Syvold, I have a film critic, I contribute to slash film, I'm with me as always, as my far more intelligent and handsome co-host.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So William Biviani, William Biviani, what do you introduce yourself?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: My name is William Biviani, I am a film critic, I write for the rap and everybody calls my bebs, and we got some movies to review for you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We got the conjuring last rights, which is another conjuring movie.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's got it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the conjuring four, but it's conjuring universe.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Seven or eight, 11 if you count the forgotten spin-offs that Warner Bros.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: has disavowed, which I'll mention in a minute.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Those those those count those they shut down.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if Warner Bros.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: says, but yeah, but like at least one of them is very obscure and like I didn't actually know about it's pretty recent like
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We've got a Stephen King adaptation, the long walk, the Legacy Sequel spinal tap, too.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The New Indy drama, The History of the Sound, and Twinless, which I believe is a comedy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit of a dark comedy, baby.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Dark comedy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll review those.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What we will not be reviewing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm ashamed of this is the number one movie of the weekend, demon slayer because it is it is based on or like an installment of an anime series which is incredibly popular and I thought to myself, oh, you know, these are
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  [SPEAKER_00]: doing real well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: People are starting to, like, anime is just finally becoming kind of mainstream in America, which is great.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very friendly.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm not 20 years old.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Apologies and then in movies, because it's a lot of the anime that comes out in the American theaters is still very limited release, but we're starting to see, like, major releases like Demonslayer are starting to really make a lot of money, and I think Hollywood's gonna finally start making space for those.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So apologies, yes, manga and anime have been mainstream in America for a couple of decades and it's just taken the industry a while to figure that out.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I was thinking to myself, okay, this is a big deal.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I should probably like watch the show and try to catch as I go over 60 episodes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, and this isn't even the first movie.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's the third film.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's the last layer.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's my problem.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I have so much catching up to do.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like it's just some new movie that I'm unfamiliar with or like a sequel to a movie I'm unfamiliar with because it's tied into a long running TV show and I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, that's just so much catching up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like I could start reading one piece today and not catch up until I die There's so much one piece out there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I just I don't know how I'm supposed to catch up to that Like 50 authors doing all of these things and unlike Star Trek where like there's a spin off at the very least like you could start with an acceleration or whatever It's like it seems to be all
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's all one piece.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's one like John, it's one gigantic story.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The American box office has really been floundering recently.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean the pandemic really shut everything down in 2023 or 2019 was the last.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: kind of gigantic year where the old patterns were working and we haven't developed the new patterns yet.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, we've had the same years.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the ultimate number Barbie Top Gun year was a monster.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Really fair.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, overall, however, the numbers are still far over way down.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And this year is a very strange aberration because we, the top-grossing film of the year,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: hasn't even been that high-grossing in the United States.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's in Asia too.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: In Asia too, it's the highest-grossing film of the year, I believe.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Other films that are making a lot of money are kid-friendly films, animated films, or remakes, stuff like Lee Loan Stitch, like the Minecraft movie.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The notion that those are the top three highest grossing films of the years so far.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like how to train your dragon remake Jurassic world There's things always make a lot of it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the top ten highest grossing films of the year.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're not gonna focus on this.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have like Captain America brave new world which is only made $450 million worldwide
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is really low compared to previous series.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then fantastic for for steps and then mission and positive tend to one.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then Superman at number seven F1 the movie.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: How to train your drag and Jurassic World reber the Minecraft movie, Lilo and Stitch and Neja too.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's global boss.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: think that the industry doesn't know where to face.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to go back to the old things like we're just going to do more superhero universe.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Warner Brothers is pouring all this money into a new superhero universe that they're trying to start this year.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a fool's errand.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I don't think they're that they're that they're that their expectations for financial success seem reasonable so far like yeah Superman grows $615 million.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: ten years ago that would be a huge flop at the very least it would be performing under their expectation and now it's like that's pretty good for a start actually build on that you know that's like because what about was great but the the height of that genre's popularity is way behind us we're not going to be able to redo again
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  [SPEAKER_01]: they're not going to be able to rebuild Superman into something as big as Avengers endgame.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Not it's not going to happen.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty, it's very doubtful and the new trend hasn't really emerged yet.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The dude trends we're seeing are films that kids want to see.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And as always, Hollywood executives don't know what kids want to say.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: No.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have their line on, but they're finger on the pulse.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Kids want to see anime adaptations.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Or that's not even adaptation.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Granted, parents who are taking their kids to see Lele on Stitch, for kids when they get out.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the reasons why kids, there's two genres that are always reliable.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: One is the kids movie because a, they don't make enough of them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So usually when there's a big one, it's monopolizing the market for a couple of weeks, if not much.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Each entry is two tickets.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think each entry is at least two tickets because you're not going to send your five-year-old there by yourself.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to bring at least one parent or guardian and often you're bringing a whole bunch.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then they all want snacks.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So it becomes a giant financial bananza.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not always a slam dunk, but it's consistently popular is horror and even though I think it's fair to say You're list see how high weapons is on that list.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Weapons number 16.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's high for a film like that The okay
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go up to the number 16, 11 is Thunderbolts fine, 12 is sinners for original horror, then demon slayer already, and then the conjuring last right, segway, then final destination bloodlines, then weapons.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so all of these are, these are still making all of them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: These are hit films, and I think they're all wonder Brothers movies too, which is weird.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Our horror movies are always going to do well.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's trends within that, but the horror films tend to hit, hit big, because you can make it for cheap and people of horror movies.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, so the sunk cost is pretty minimal, and the amount of money you can make is quite staggering.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Proof positive is that the conjuring last rights, which is like the 11th film
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And a franchise which I honestly think creatively at least has lost a lot of juice, especially when it has come out.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Especially with the, the conjuring films proper, like the spin-offs, like the none that they're at least trying to have fun, Annabelle, they were always trying to have fun.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the conjuring movies kind of got really see me, and yet, because the conjuring last try, it's had the highest opening weekend of any conjuring movie.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like 70 something million dollars, like in September, like that's wild people, like these goddamn conjuring movies, and I can see why.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're consistent.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like the Marvel thing, where like if you went to a Marvel movie between 2008 and 2019, even the worst one was still pretty good.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you could watch it with your friends and have an entertaining time at the movies, and that's true with the conjuring as well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You might get a great horror movie, but you'll at least get a fun time at the movies with your friends and they built up enough
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  [SPEAKER_00]: of a franchise enough characters that you're familiar with that you've formerly some small emotional connection to the thing as a whole.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So like others in a country, well those are always pretty good.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And unlike the Marvel movies, they never over saturated the market.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The only time more than one conjuring movie came out in a year was the two spin-offs that nobody talks about.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Bill is not about, was the curse of law your own a, which actually made a ton of money.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why one of
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Annabelle is in it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a common character across the server.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Annabelle isn't in it, but a character from Annabelle is in it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Annabelle has a cameo.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The doll has a cameo.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There's like a flashbacks.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I was carrying this doll and we actually see Annabelle.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't remember that I was actually being in it, but yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then there was a home invasion movie called Wolves at the Door, which was literally about the home invasion that led to the death of Sharon Tate and her guest.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's not even.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a conjuring film.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a conjuring film because the detective from Annabelle shows up in it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no kidding.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And that movie is fucking terrible, like it's a really bad I'm sure that's not that great.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was not great, but it's a functional horror movie.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, like it wasn't the door isn't movie that like I didn't even know that was a thing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't recently
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, I'm like, oh, I have to track this down.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It sucks.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just really, really, really just not particularly competent.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have anything really meaningful to say about it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The characters are drawn really, really badly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And although it's scary, it's scary for the wrong reasons.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just scary because it's true.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: At least to an extent.
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so, but to my point is, I think one of the brothers is oddly...
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  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... mature in disemowing it because they could make money off of that by throwing the conjuring presents wolves at the door out there yeah they could have made more money off of but i think they realize they don't want to take this franchise because more so than even the dc extended universe for like the last fifteen years the conjuring has been like one of brother's most reliable hit it's been a big cash cap there uh... i've seen apart from wolves at the door uh... and the very first conjuring i've seen all of these movies
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I keep hearing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: God, it's great.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There are no storytellers in it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the one I haven't seen.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They are mixed at best.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Most of these are pretty bad.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The two non-movies are terrible.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've grown to like the non-wan a little bit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because the non-wan, it's not a free to be totally a logical.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like really super gothic and silly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it feels a bit more like a haunted house and amusement park ride.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then we come to appreciate that level of showmanship.
• 11:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was going to bring that up.
• 11:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this is, I always feel a little bit of a sting when I have to write the word franchise to describe a film series, because a franchise is a business term.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't just refer to the films.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It refers to all of the ancillary media and commercial tie-ins that are attached to it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: To be fair, a lot of franchises or series whenever you want to call them, tell their story
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know, and that's a little galling, but the conjuring has also managed to sort of keep its hooks in popular culture because of things like universal studios, thrill ride experiences.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's become a bigger part of the culture, look, I'm
• 12:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: astonished at how big the terrifying film series has become, because you see that at like universal now.
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, these are movies made for like $100,000, about a clown that like eats people's intestines out of their own asses.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And yet this is like big mainstream horror.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's well.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, sadly there's nothing so marvellously gory in the conjuring mood.
• 12:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: The country movies.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're all rated.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're pretty muted for an R rated movie.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I remember they even, they were apparently, they were aiming for an R rating for the first Conjuring and the MPA was like, no, it's not that there's anything violent.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just really scary.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's too scary to VPG 13.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's not a lot of gore.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's based on fictionalized versions of Edmund Lorraine Warren and the movies they're played by Vera Formiga and Patrick Wilson.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in real life, Ed and the Rain Warren worth, I don't like her with us, they were a paranormal investigators and they would show up at some of the most famous well-publicized hauntings of the day, the end-feeled poltergeist, for example, that they went to the Amidabah house, they went to the actual Amidabah house, however in real life, even though they were relatively famous, wrote a book.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're almost universally considered con artists and frauds.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're just almost universally.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there's a few people, but generally speaking, although they're charlatans.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They hold up
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's, they put this fact as a caron up at the end of a country and four here that we're about to talk about.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they're the only non-catholics who were sanctioned by the Catholic Church to perform exorcisms.
• 14:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know how true that is.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how true that is.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like it's not.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: The thing is that the premise of the country movies is that every single case they encountered was 100% real.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't even like.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Scooby-doo like I once in a while like one movie is about actually some guys faking it, but they which couldn't have been a good idea Actually, but no every single thing that they encountered was 100% real real demons wheel ghosts real monsters and they usually resulted in some kind of collectible Chocchi
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they kept in a basement.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: You haven't even seen them in the haunted objects, like Friday, and 13th of series.
• 14:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And one of my favorite films in this series was... And it comes home.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's really good.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're...
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Annabelle was the haunted doll that they had collected and in reality it was a raggedy and all.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't want to do the license for that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think really created like us.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: A scary monster doll for the movie.
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hate the design of it.
• 15:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it looks too much like a monster.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like just a doll.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also, the problem with Annabelle is that Annabelle is like an evil doll, but the doll doesn't move.
• 15:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: The doll doesn't walk around.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: It just sort of sits there and haunted stuff happens around it, which is like a lot of inherently less scary.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like an evil doll is scary because it looks kind of like a person.
• 15:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 15:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if it like moves or returns it's head, you're like, oh, that shouldn't be a person, but it is kind of.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: If it's just sitting there and evil stuff is happening around it, we don't actually need the doll.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the doll is like a lens through which demons can project themselves.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But in that movie, and Annabelle comes home, we go into that closet where they have all there a Friday the 13th of the series, Josh Keys, and they all activate at the same time.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the best part is, it's a kid's sleepover.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kids are sleeping over all the haunted objects activated at the same time.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's all this creepy stuff.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fun idea.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and every single monster in that thing that we haven't seen before is like, clearly like we could have a spin-off.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: This, we could have a spin-off.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This, my favorite, a wolf.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There's one sister.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There is a ghost.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: There is a ghost.
• 16:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where will which means that where will have died with unfinished business?
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I love that so much, what was it?
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I ate this guy in a various fever in the backyard and I left that fever there and I just wanted to pick it up.
• 16:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I never told that rabbit, I loved it.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it becomes one of the good ones.
• 16:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Animal creation is also really, really great.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Animal creation is pretty good.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The first animal is existing.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: The first two conjurings are pretty solid.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: But now we're up to the conjuring last try.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a conjuring for where they're setting up a sequel anyway.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because we have some legacy characters.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they don't go for it the way I thought they would.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: We start with a flashback in the 60s, when Edin Lorraine Warren are now played by younger actors.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they just see G.A.
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they see G.A.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think at least Vera Farminga was a younger actress.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they encountered a demon mirror, like in Oculus or Mirror Mirror.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's got creepy baby heads on it.
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh, when Lorraine touched the mirror, it forced her to go into labor prematurely and then she was in the hospital and they gave, she gave birth to the baby and it was dead for a little bit but then they were able to like hug it back to life.
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Which awesome.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And what I liked is while she's giving birth, there's like demons in the room and the lights go out and while she's like trying to give birth, she sees like demons crawling across the ceiling.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like that's good stuff pretty strong actually.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not as good as the imagery that they put in the first home in.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of just better demon and birth imagery in that movie.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well it's more visceral, that's for sure.
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like that one a lot.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like that one a lot.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... fast forward to nineteen eighty six and now uh... and laran are retiring and and those clusters has made their job into a joke yeah they're the first time co-spusters came out a few years earlier people don't take them seriously because they think they're like comedians
• 17:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, Ed's heart is going out and it can't stand.
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a plot point in the last movie that he was starting to have, you know, just the heart condition.
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he couldn't do what he, you know, all the stuff he used to do, and will he survive his latest encounter.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're doing that literally again.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's starting to feel kind of tired, but the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the daughter is all daughter.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Judy is now about to be married.
• 18:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 18:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's married.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's getting married to a young, uh, do we be, but pretty nice guy, Cobb, uh,
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, all of this stuff takes like 45-5 minutes of the movie, this isn't so much a horror movie as a drama about the Warren family that has some horror stuff in it.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: But basically, because they assume we're really deeply connected to these characters, we spend a lot of time with the Warrens and that night, so it's last try, maybe this is the last one.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then that mirror comes back.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: A family, a family, a pencil vein, a pencil vein, a pencil vein, yeah, a family and a pencil vein, yeah, their daughter is having her first communion and they decide as a gift to get her the world's scariest antique mirror.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: This giant fucking mirror with angry cherry pads going, right?
• 19:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's the crack it is.
• 19:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 19:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which is like, I hope you got a deal on that mirror because it has a big whole fucking crack in it.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: So,
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever see Mirror Mirror the one with, um, although 90s when it was like, 1990?
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, never did.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then there was a franchise, whether or not there was a couple, yeah, there was a Mirror Mirror Mirror, was that an evil Mirror thing?
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, yeah, demon lived behind the mirror and this creepy golf teenager, like had an error room and that the demon was like, making her popular at school.
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, and so in the evil mirror canon, we have mirror mirror, we have Oculus.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And mirror mirror, the one I'm talking about was from 1990.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and now we had Karen Black was in it, and who's the lead actress?
• 19:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're a really cool name.
• 19:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Rainbow Harvest to what's her name yeah and I'm gonna I'm gonna allow even though it's secondly not an evil mirror I'm gonna allow deathbed the bed that eats into that cannon because there is a ghost in a mirror but it's a mirror that's trying to stop the evil bed it's not a mirror it's a painting
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought it was a mirror.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, the guys, he's like the, it, like the guy in a portrait.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Evil painting, whole different genre, totally different.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, the evil, the evil Chachke is in the house and the girls get creeped up by it, so they try to get rid of it.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: The mirror gets smashed and that makes everything a million times worse and now they're being haunted by a demon and the Warren family.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: ends up over there because the daughter wants to investigate it because she's got psychic powers They're lined up over there 90 minutes Yeah, and this is over two hours long and so it's all kind of backloaded into the into the last chunk And then the last chunk.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got to be honest man.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're they're the most exciting scene in this movie to me
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's it, was it the Annabelle scene?
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, although that's briefly creepy.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a Annabelle cameo, it's a whole lot of nothing, but they needed to put her in there, and it's a couple of creepy shots.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, the most exciting scene to me in this movie is there's a scene where two middle-aged dads had to move a piece of furniture in the attic.
• 21:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're going pivot, pivot, yeah.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because like there's only like a couple like thin planks of wood and underneath them It's just insulation so if they like they miss that they fall they're gonna fall through the The see that it they're gonna have that their insurance isn't gonna cover that.
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a whole fucking nightmare That's the scariest scene in the movie for me will they will they fall through the installation and Have to pay for it.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's there's a fight with the mirror and it's
• 21:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's really one of the more ridiculous things you've seen.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's it reminded me of the lamp from Amityville I thought you had that in my review.
• 21:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the most obviously evil Haunted Antiques and the lamp from Amityville for Amityville for a lot of the later Amityville phones were like Here's something from the Amityville house.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It ended up somewhere else because in Amityville 3D the house was destroyed Yeah, and so yeah, Amityville 4 the evil escapes which was a TV movie
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of the lamps that was in the Amityville house lived its way into another house and that was what was causing mayhem But the lamp itself was like a living preacher.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it could like scoot across the floor and whip people with its burdens I love I want you if you've never seen Amityville for I want you to not if you're driving don't do it next time you have a moment Get on your phone look any laptop whatever
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look up Amityville for lamp.
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look at that lamp.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is kind of a spooky lamp.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's like it's like so obviously evil like no one would want that in their house unless they were like a horror nerd Like there's no reason except that it's the Amityville lamp
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: What I cartoonishly evil look there's a detail from Amityville for look We're talking about Amityville for workers conjuring for isn't that interesting Amityville for there's a scene where the lamp like a guy comes to read the meter and he has to like Go into the house into the attic where the lamp is and the lamp comes to life and search to attacking him And he freaks out and I think he crawls into a duct and then he gets electrocuted and he stays in the dot Yeah, and oh no the lamp got somebody and now that people are walking around with a dead guy in their duct.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate lamp They never find that guy
• 23:17
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• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in conjuring for, they fight with a fucking mirror and it's completely ridiculous.
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a conceit that there's like a trio of wicked ghosts and those are sort of the scary images we see jumping out of the shadow, it's throughout the world.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but they're like being manipulated by it.
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then, yeah, like, they're reasonably there.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's even a line of dialogue.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, there's a demon behind the ghost.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like,
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize that there was a bad man in the supernatural world, you know, we established that in the conjuring too because in the conjuring too There was like the infield poltergeist, but there was like also Like the crooked man.
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is like from like childhood folklore and also the none or maybe one of them was also Well, and then none was just in the intro really easy on that one because but like they're just through in random shit That this is And it starts getting dull, but that this is my issue with the conjuring movies.
• 24:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're they're a little too over-stuffed They're not really focused on yo
• 24:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: One particular notion or one thing that caused the haunting, because what's a haunting?
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a memory, it's a negative thing that happened in the past.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you can't get it out.
• 24:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: That the idea is it was so evil, it kind of seeped into the walls of the place, or seeped into an object.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's what the original conjuring was about.
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and totally fair.
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Something I like to I've liked about the conjuring movies is The warrants will come in.
• 24:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: They'll see all of this misery that the ghosts have robbed everybody's stressed out They can't move out for Contrified reasons.
• 25:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's actually hard to try it.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's they just don't have the money
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have a big family.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: We can't get them in this room, but they said we can't afford them, but they said the original Conjuring as well.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember if they said in the Conjuring too, but in the original Conjuring that was very specifically why we spent all of our money buying this house We have no words to go And that was a joke in that spoof movie a haunted house Yeah, it was like oh, they see the ghost like we're moving by like they're doing the practical thing and then they drive back like
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't afford anything else, we're going to move back in a lot of hours.
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like one or two funny jokes in them.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: The other one where they're trying to ignore the ghost.
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: When they're trying to ignore the ghost, the ghost gets indigmen about it.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a very funny thing.
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is a terrible movie.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a very funny thing.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a very funny thing.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the door swings open and I pan flies out and I just pick it up and put it back in the closet.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not to acknowledge the funny thing.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really?
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what I appreciate is all of this misery is in these houses and another thing you can use a ghost for is a symbol for some kind of domestic strife.
• 26:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's some kind of pain or tension in the family that's not being acknowledged in your manifests as a ghost.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Edyn Lorraine Warren move in, and he brings this acoustic guitar and is a pocket full of waffle recipes.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just sort of sings and tries to cheer everybody up and improve the mood in the house.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's gonna scare a ghost toy.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's the ghost is feeding off of your negative energy.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's here.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's exacerbating it It's just making a worse and he's like no, we got to like start from the ground up Yeah, but some positive energy.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what that's go that's like a practical good thing Yeah, but they do and I appreciate that I literally my favorite things actually Wilson can pull that off because he's just that kind of an actor And that's be fair here.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmeca are the reasons why these movies work as well as they do
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: James Wan directed the first two Conjuring movies and he's a very, very, very frightening filmmaker.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: He knows from Scary.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's really, really talented.
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that helps a lot.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the fact is, you know, this is of a series that's built on, and it's a rare horror series that's built on protagonists.
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Usually it's built on the villains that the protagonists are free to die, which makes it more scary.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, Ed and Lorraine Warren are in this entire thing, at least their main franchise, and so we really have to give a damn about them, which is, again,
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: We have Wikipedia, we're fighting up Hill on that.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you look at some of the shit that came out about like Edward and in particular like, and they're living girlfriend.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who's not in these movies?
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like apparently there was stuff in the contract where you're not allowed to even allude to anything like that.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's like, that shouldn't be necessary to be in a contract if that was not fucked up.
• 27:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: But look up there, they're mutual live-in girlfriends that the teenager, that they walked up in their house.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's really fucking weird.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, and I'm sure there are people who say there's more to that story, but fair, my point is is that they're not that wholesome in reality, but this wholesome version of them where they were 100% on the level, they were never like seeking fame, they were completely honest, and all of their actions, which is at best wildly optimistic as a viewpoint.
• 28:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Patrick Wilson of here for me got are so committed to that and they're so committed to each other really just feel like they're in a mature relationship.
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's also that rare story franchise movie TV whatever that's based off of a healthy marriage.
• 28:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: a marriage in general as like the protagonists of a series pretty rare because usually they want to like fill a movie with romantic tension uh here it's it's not even that they're also happy they're not like bickering like the honey mooners or married with children or everybody loves ramey or whatever like no
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: they are just sweet.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And again, that's a bit of a fantasy, but I can glum onto that.
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: The fictional version of these characters are really interesting.
• 29:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that somewhat irresponsible to misrepresent them that much?
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd say yeah, but
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's also they've got a ghostware wolf.
• 29:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like there's a lot, I couldn't, there's a lot willing to like, okay, we're going to fantasy universe here.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, again, that information is still widely available.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like it's been covered up.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just the movies aren't addressing it.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, here's the thing.
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: The country movies are an interesting franchise and can see whether it's successful franchise.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised there's still a successful as they are, but fuck it, it works.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the last write is just a really generic entry in it.
• 29:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It really doesn't do anything terribly new and even when it almost does and like it sets up the daughter to be like a really important like new generation or whatever like that.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It also kind of backs off from that in a weird way.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: well also we have so many characters the family of eight that's being haunted there's like maybe that there's like one daughter who we get to know a little bit there's one daughter who's strong in a personality she stands at but note note of those characters really kind of emerge and it's a kind of a mess um which I guess that's a fine way to sort of tell that story yeah
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: but then we're focusing on the war ends and then we're focusing on the war ends.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Daughter.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a whole chunk with a priest that takes up like 10 minutes of the movie.
• 30:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a whole, an extended intro how we get into the mirror stuff.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's just way too much going on.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when there's too much going on, you kind of lose focus of stuff like...
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: scares and building tension and fear like you keep on cutting from this family that's being tortured by all these ghostly images back to the war ends were just sort of having a picnic and dancing and having a warm old time it's like well hope dead don't over exert yourself with all that ping pong which yeah don't but also what that's not that's not a horror movie man it's a whole different thing and um
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: the ghostly design is now old hat it's not for it that the sort of that they're sure the some good jumpscares right a good jumpscare will always get me even if it sucks but yeah yeah sorry I did jumpscares behind me I wasn't scared though you know it's not that I don't feel any kind of fear I didn't really see what the film was getting and that's the thing it's like you in the conjuring to like I think they were like I don't know if they're starting working out if it was light in the production but James
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it is, is movie just isn't scary enough and they just like shifted some things around so like I don't know what's a scary image evil none good Let's run with it.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was like a late it because they just realized like this is it's another fucking ghost.
• 31:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It has to be distinct something about it has to be Not just interesting, but you know Key into something really really frightening and the idea of a none who is either depending on your point of view a symbol of purity or
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: if you're not a, you know, if you're, if you're raised in a Catholic school, if you're raised in a Catholic school, my people are intimidating and they're disappearing.
• 31:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and might be feeding into that anxiety as well.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a brilliant idea for a horror movie though.
• 31:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this one that this one's a cartoonishly evil mirror and like a mean farmer.
• 32:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you're not really getting me out of that one.
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's one thing that I kind of took from this movie that I think was almost unintentional.
• 32:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it takes place in Philadelphia.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's Pennsylvania, it's not Philadelphia, but it's Pennsylvania, and it's the mid-80s.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there are all these shots of, we show the exterior of the haunted house and the family that's sort of like living in there, and there's a lot of like low shots, and in the background is all of these new industrial plants that are going up way in the distance.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking, these industrial plants are kind of eating away at societies and it's actually this big monolith of gross environmental corporate takeover that is actually causing the environment where demons can grow.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that could have played into the whole like we need to make the house more livable like part of it is it kind of can't be.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so there's a disgusting shit in the air.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's just a few shots that are kind of implying that I wish that maybe address a dialogue.
• 32:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: That would have been a hell of a lot stronger if they had a best idea.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And at least it would have been more thematically interesting.
• 33:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like the idea that these, their home is unhappy, not because of anything that's going on in the family, but because of the city is being eaten away by these gigantic factories.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: That would have been something interesting.
• 33:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: What, what, what responsibility do giant,
• 33:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Corporate monoliths have for the haunting problem.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm poltergeist.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: They had quite a bit Poltergeist addresses it directly and they talk about it in dialogue.
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you sold me a house on a graveyard like now You move the gravestones, but not the bodies.
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's not based on a first nation burial ground
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, I mean, I know they mentioned that in the shining.
• 33:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the shining's under the Poltergeist too, or like, there's maybe a little bit of that.
• 33:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just one of those things that everyone just knows that that's what Poltergeist is about, and that's not what Poltergeist is about.
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a weird sort of memory whole thing, but we should move on.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we said our piece on Conjuring, the last, right?
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, there's another horror movie.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: out these last couple of weeks and this one is based off of not just the Stephen King novel but a Richard Bachman novel which were the novels that he published under a pseudonym and they were usually a lot more mean spirited and it's the first novel Stephen King started writing in the mid-1960s.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like 19 when he started writing.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he started writing and novel didn't finish it until later and it's about a grim contest.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's actually exactly the sort of thing, like a 19-year-old in right-of-horror story about in the six days, because it's about a dystopian alternate America where teenagers, or specifically boys, are either volunteering or drafted by the United States government to march themselves to death.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're all going to meet in the same spot on a road, and they're just going to March if they fall below three miles an hour.
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: They get a warning if they don't pick up speed in 30 seconds They get another warning if they don't pick up pick up speed again.
• 35:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're shot and killed.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the soldiers who are on cars, they're just falling along and they're alive as much water as they want, but they're not allowed to stop, not even like at night, not even to go to the bathroom.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: They have to keep trudging until they either can't trudge anymore and they're shot and killed or their bodies give out and they die that way.
• 35:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that is it, but the last person who lives,
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: will become, you know, rich beyond the dreams of adverse and also have one wish granted for them.
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the whole idea is that this is a symbol for the rest of the people in America of hard work based on tenacity.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, American assumption.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: the the feature film follows that same premise that it goes a little bit more into the rules of the actual walk.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: The idea is there's one representative from each of the 50 states of the 50 competitors.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're all young men.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's there's one female cast member in this movie.
• 36:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's Judy Greer, who plays one of the protagonists Yeah, the protagonists the main two protagonists are played by Cooper Hoffman Who you may remember from liquorice pizza or Saturday night is Philipsy and our Hoffman son Very good actor and David Johnson who was in Alien Romulus and it was on that.
• 36:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: What was that what was that?
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: HBO show that like is really acclaimed but no one watches it or not immediately watch it.
• 36:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like industrial or industrial kinds of things.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's industry is that one.
• 36:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's called the amazing things but it just doesn't have like he's he's he's a star though David Johnson like he's he's just on the rise he's called industry it's just called industry yeah I didn't see that one apparently it's amazing I haven't seen it it just doesn't have like it hasn't like latched on to the consciousness the way that like severance had or succession it doesn't have that level of success but here's right
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But a big part of this movie is that these young men start walking.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mark Hamill plays just a character that they call the Major, and he seems to be in charge of this walk.
• 37:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he gives some lines of dialogue that allude to the nature of this dystopia that America has fallen itself into.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a big war in America trying to rebuild itself.
• 37:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the America will be on top again.
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Make America great again, is definitely in there.
• 37:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, any illusion of fascism is illusion of modern America, unfortunately.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 37:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so how many quality, because that's the thing, is everyone's so poor, they have to try.
• 37:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there is an interesting conversation as they're walking, you know, we didn't really volunteer.
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no choice here.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like theoretically, that's what we wanted.
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's like theoretically, we all filled out a form.
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: But what the fuck else are we supposed to do?
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: The only way to get out of the hell that we're in.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And as the characters walk, there's actually like a little bit of something Stephen King loves to do, and that's a camaraderie among a group of young boys.
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a big part of it.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a big part of standby me.
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a big part of DreamCatcher, like, uh, and so these young men,
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: start talking and just sort of bond and become friends and indeed the Cooper Hoffman and David Johnson characters become such a close they're destined to be the final two of course yeah they're the biggest actors but there's and that's there's no real attention you know there was a there's two that are gonna survive because we're in following them the whole time or at least at least yeah we don't decide who's gonna win but you know they're gonna make it to the end yeah and what I do appreciate is the movie does go into the nitty gritty of how they keep on walking
• 38:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: What happens when you need to poop?
• 38:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: We see that in gory detail.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you either, you either pop a squat and you try to make real fast.
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then get that warning and try to walk it off because if you can walk with that in a few walk for an hour without a warning, you cycle bad.
• 38:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but a lot of people, they just go.
• 38:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you lose one of your, like your soul falls off of one of your shoes.
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's better to just go shoot us.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like going off balance is going to be that much harder for you.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do they sleep?
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: They sleep walking.
• 39:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're just literally they're like just hanging on to each other and they're just trying to keep walking as much as they can and get as much sleep as they can.
• 39:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, they walk.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: and implausible amount in this.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you have like a thing like to denote time passing, like mile 50, mile 100, it goes so far.
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I not convinced the human body is capable of that.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Of any, anyone's body.
• 39:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the problem is, while they do show the people like sort of wearing out, just like by the time they get to a certain distance on this walk, it's like, okay, they're just back to walking down.
• 39:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, I get that you get another wind, but like, you should, that's something that I'm not sure, the thing with that is that's a kind of thing that's much easier to write than it is to fill.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it is to watch.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's something that's very, very tricky.
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly,
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is directed by Francis Lawrence, a director who has made some movies that like him, some movies I really don't like, I hated Red Sparrow, like Red Sparrow, that's pretty good, but he also did Hunger Games mocking Jay, but then he also did the other Hunger Games as, like, after that, he did some of the Hunger Games he did, I am legend, which he found of, he did, he did the Constantine movie with Keanu Reeves,
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am, which is not also me.
• 40:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I rewatch that.
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's better than I remember.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, it's better than I remember.
• 40:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he also did, um,
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: a really awful adaptation of little limo in slumber land for net flex.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of years ago that was gone about there's like full of always like big imaginative special effects and yet it feels like a TV commercial.
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's really hit or miss and I'm not entirely sure he has he brings a particularly interesting perspective but what he is good at and this is something that I think I have a lot of respect for this a filmmaker who can be given the material
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: film that material to that material's strengths and get out of the way and that's what he does here.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's able to take this tricky material just people walking, not even many flashbacks.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: and keep that interesting the entire way through.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good for him that's really, really hard to do.
• 41:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he keeps the visuals clear by setting it on a completely straight road and the characters walk from left to right, or mostly on one side of him.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 41:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's no change in the altitude.
• 41:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's a hill at that point they're all really tired and it's like they lose a lot of them that day.
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: But like, yeah, mostly it's just about the grueling grind.
• 41:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the landscape is deliberately not interested.
• 41:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 41:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Shows in this long, straight, stretch of room.
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: That just goes through small town after small town that have just been wrapped by poverty.
• 41:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
• 41:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: They see like...
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: cows and like crows nailed the walls.
• 42:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: You think this would be like a main thoroughfare, but there's no money in America Yeah, and there's also a flashback at institute that establishes that there's no thought or Like knowledge or books anymore as well like there's kind of a fight for 50 Yeah, no, there's there's like forbidden books and everything like that and so which is you know that great But like the obvious metaphor here is that you know, it's written in the 1960s it's about
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: teenage man being conscripted to march to death until they die, this is a Vietnam allegory.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is very, very clearly a Vietnam war allegory, and it's, the imagery just kind of takes care of itself.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're used to seeing war movies, we'll just march endlessly.
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're used to seeing war movies where people die for no reason.
• 42:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're used to seeing war movies where people form a bond and then one of them dies tragically and everyone's really, really fucking sad.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... were used to people losing uh... their moral compass were used to people losing their sanity due to the horrors of war it's all kicked in on that level
• 43:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very good metaphor.
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Francis Lawrence and I think it's J.T.
• 43:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mulmer, who wrote Strange Garling.
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the screenplay does.
• 43:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: He wrote, he wrote and directed Strange Garling.
• 43:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he just wrote this one.
• 43:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: They clearly have really tried to focus as much as possible on the income inequality angle, the idea that
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: young people whether or not they're actually like drafted into a war are still forced to fight for the table scraps in this country like there's no hope for a future you it's not like oh i'm gonna work really really hard and then i'm gonna make it that's not how it works anymore we're fighting tooth and nail and we're fighting each other for any sort of success in this country but at its core still a bit more allegory and i'm watching this movie and i'm realizing one thing about that doesn't work
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's still, I think it's a good movie, it's still really thrilling, it's even on just on this room.
• 43:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's bleak, but it's exceptionally well crafted for the most part, it's a, it's a conceptual issue and the only person I can blame is Stephen K. It says a Vietnam war allegory where the country of Vietnam doesn't exist.
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not about these people are sent to war to not only fight and die for a government for reasons they don't understand and ultimately feel rather pointless, but in the Vietnam more, they went to another country and killed other people.
• 44:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here we are removing that level of America's guilt from it so that we can just focus on the tragedy of these Americans and if they had tried to incorporate that,
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like while you're marching, you have to kill as many people off to the side as you can find.
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you can get bonus points or something like that, like in death race.
• 44:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that would have been very different.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we couldn't have seen these characters in this tragic a light.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a very myopic view.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's a very...
• 44:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: The original story or sort of extrapolated.
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was definitely a Vietnam War allegory.
• 44:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: This film is not being made during the Vietnam War.
• 45:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: This means we're not only going to take 25.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's good.
• 45:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: You could see it as any kind of draft, of course, people who are forced to go off and die.
• 45:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if we're focused on their death, not on their killing.
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... but this is very clearly made in twenty twenty five a financial story it's a story about uh... the dystopian he that's here there is actually that the Vietnam allegory doesn't hold anyone
• 45:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm going to begin with that.
• 45:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's kicking into the imagery.
• 45:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of the way that Frank's Lawrence shoots this and shoots that male camaraderie and shoots the trudging and shoots like the tanks that are following them is definitely using language we've seen from Vietnam more moving.
• 45:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think you can't escape it.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now the fact that I think it works is because
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: the other version of the allegory functions so well, but I do know I just think it's worth bringing up.
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's worth bringing up, but consider where we are in the United States in the year 2025 and how those military forces and those tanks are in American cities.
• 45:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is America fighting itself.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is, that's the kind of imagery that I saw being tapped into.
• 46:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: The filmmakers couldn't have necessarily predicted that, but it's definitely a good timing.
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate to put it that way.
• 46:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that's the thing.
• 46:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of moving you hate to have to say
• 46:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: However, I think it does function as like a good pop tragedy.
• 46:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, the term I used was crowd pleasing tragedy, where it's a sad, bleak story, but it's one that everybody can kind of get behind.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's very accessible.
• 46:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you went, the concept is very, very simple.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Once you've watched it, go for five minutes, you understand?
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you understand where the rest of the movie's gonna be at, but you're riveted to the, I can't say, I think the high school kids are gonna watch this,
• 46:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because you can get your head around.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fine sort of sci-fi premise and it fits I hear a cynical young world view where it's like what the fuck is the point which we all feel and sometimes we don't get rid of the only things I think it really kind of falls down on is I wish we had seen more of of the dystopia a little bit more about this world What was really going on to make it crumble like that?
• 47:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost a generic version of a lot of dystopian ideas that are coming together.
• 47:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: They happen to ring true, but it's not very detailed.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if that's in pursuit of eternal universality.
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: The most specific we make it, the less accessible it's going to be to different generations.
• 47:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps so, but I think it would have been stronger today if they had filled that out a little bit more.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.
• 47:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But otherwise, yeah, I think it's a really, really excellent film, and it's damn scary.
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Damn scary.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, Spinal Tap sounds like something that would be very scary to happen in a horror movie.
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is Spinal Tap too scary?
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, and it's not very funny either.
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, that's a shame because this is Spinal Tap, not Spinal Tap.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is spinal tap, the name of the original.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had to apologize that shit and he was like, we're spinal tap.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's in tea.
• 47:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's called this is spinal tap.
• 47:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's very tiny on the on the box cover, but by God, it is this is spinal tap.
• 48:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Rob Reiner made this is spinal tap in 1984, here we are.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: many, many years later, for Spinal Tap 2, colon the end continues, which is a fun title.
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think Spinal Tap is less well known now than it used to be, so real real fast.
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a rockumentary or a mock rockumentary.
• 48:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a mockumentary about a fake rock band called Spinal Tap.
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a British heavy metal band.
• 48:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Rob Reiner played a director named Marty DeBurgie, who was making a documentary about this band Spinal Tap.
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the three members, David St.
• 48:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hubbins, Nigel Tuffnell, and Derek Smalls.
• 48:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also a drummer, but the drummer dies all the time.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: They cycle through drummers, and the drummer keeps dying, and that's a recurring decade.
• 48:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're all much older now.
• 48:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same actors.
• 48:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's Michael McKin, Christopher Guest, and Harry's here.
• 49:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 49:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they keep on reaching out for drummers.
• 49:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they reach out to famous people.
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, hey, hey, Quest Love.
• 49:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you'd be our drummer.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, I have a colonoscopy that day.
• 49:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody wants to be their drummers because they know that their drummers notoriously die.
• 49:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I will say this.
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this has happened, but I feel like the most obvious Muppet gag is animal become spinal tap drummer.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: That would have been fun.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: That would have been really fun if they if the puppet show was still on the air.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: That would be the time.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was just real.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it becomes their drummer.
• 49:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great episode of TV.
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: The original Viscis spinal tap is often hailed as one of the funniest films of all time.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's regularly on top 10 lists.
• 49:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it that much.
• 49:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really?
• 49:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I perhaps watched it at two early in age.
• 49:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm watching this film and waiting for the jokes to emerge.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because the antics of real life rock bands are weirder than anything that happens in spinal tap.
• 49:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like, oh no, they have trouble getting to the stage, okay?
• 50:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that a joke or do they just have trouble finding the stage like a band?
• 50:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not that they have trouble finding a stage that they get so hopelessly lost.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: They get stuck out of the theater.
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: The idea is that these are just a bunch of clueless dorks, and they don't even really believe in the heavy metal thing.
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're just a bunch of middle-aged dudes.
• 50:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you compare that to Penelope's fiercest, the decline of Western civilization to the metal years.
• 50:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you realize that the real-life metal bands are way more interesting to brave and have much stranger stories than this fake metal band.
• 50:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I couldn't tell the difference when I was a kid.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I saw it in the show that it was a comedy film.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I saw it as a not very interesting documentary film.
• 50:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll defend this final step.
• 50:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do think it's very funny.
• 50:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, I see your point, but I think the point is that they're not very interesting.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole point.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: They have this big giant persona.
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they tell these, they sing these controversial songs.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they're just a bunch of dudes.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: They kind of kind of dumb guys.
• 50:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it.
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're just not really intelligent guys.
• 50:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they don't care about what they do.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: my very first rock concert with Spinal Tap 12 years old you and Bart Simpson yeah I got supposed to yeah I was I was 12 I was around 1990 they give up with a second album around that time yeah it's called Break Like The Wind that was a big album but that's a big come out till uh 92 and that's one that like bitch school oh yeah there's a big hit from Break Like The Wind
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: The joke with that song is that he's talking about his dog, but the metaphor is so elaborate that everyone thinks it's really offensive Which means it is really offensive, but that is the joke.
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the yeah Then they don't understand why people think it's offensive.
• 51:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the other joke that it should be shocking that these this heavy metal band is singing a song about an ass You big bottom.
• 51:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like big bottoms.
• 51:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah
• 51:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, fat bottom girls had already come out.
• 51:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
• 51:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Secondly, we were like a year off from baby got back.
• 51:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I don't see that as particularly shocking or funny.
• 51:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I think the gag is that it's been done.
• 52:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess so.
• 52:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 52:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the gag in the movie is that that's really horrifying way shocking, that they're too ignorant to sort of see, wait, we shouldn't be singing about assets.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's so many songs about asses.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are many songs about us.
• 52:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So here we are coming back and we're telling the same jokes in spinal tap, too.
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: We Marty DeBurgie says, hey, why don't we get these guys together again before they die?
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're the same long hair, but another gray.
• 52:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's andville the story is spinal tap.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and after the release of Anneville, you can't have another spout of that story.
• 52:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because then we have the real life version of that.
• 52:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anneville is a Canadian metal band.
• 52:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 52:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whose arc is very similar to that of Spun.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually really big.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were really big for a little bit.
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some people thought they were two Canadian for the mainstream, which is believable.
• 52:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were very prolific.
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: They put over a dozen records.
• 52:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were really popular in several countries, but not America or Canada.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's really great footage of them like early on and like the guitarists would like play a guitar riff with a vibrator It's like that's like good metal stuff Yeah, I feel like there's a great andville name check in the movie light of day the Michael J. Fox movie Oh, we're uh, Joe Jeff plays his sister and's like either just sort of training their favorite band Yeah, like Bon Jovi and Michael J. Fox you know because he's Canadian you know he improvised this yeah andville
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you if you've never seen the documentary andville the story of Anvil I'm not a huge documentary guy.
• 53:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned this before.
• 53:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't have an against them.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't gravitate towards it as a genre I fucking love that documentary.
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I highly recommend that documentary.
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's very very sweet
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of the jokes in this is spinal tap is they can't find success in the United States, but they're big in Japan.
• 53:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 53:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they go to Japan and play a lot of concerts.
• 53:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This happened so a lot of bands happened to fucking anvil.
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't get success in the United States or Canada, but they're huge in Japan, and they made millions in Japan.
• 53:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the joke that the spinal tap was trying to lay out was just happening in real life for anvil.
• 54:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's much more interesting film to me as a result.
• 54:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, spinal tap too.
• 54:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so here we are.
• 54:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you want you want to remember jokes that you're remembered from 1984 or some kind of stuff.
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: They make a lot of things to the stuff.
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it just being back friend, Dresher?
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Were they, were they, did they, had they broken up and had to get back together?
• 54:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Have they been together this entire time?
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, they broken up and they had to get, get them back together.
• 54:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, one of them, one of them, uh, lived in a small village where he exchanged guitars for cheese.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was a cheesemonger now.
• 54:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: um... the christopher got to accept it in guitars as payment for cheap payment for cheese and he also like played in a pub band okay uh... michael macchin uh... i had to make him that's financially viable
• 54:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: that alone see that's that's the thing it's like we're trying to be whimsical but it's like I'm just thinking of the the act of an opera.
• 54:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I was at Nigel who said that if he wasn't in a rock band he'd have been a happer dash or depending on how well it paid something like that.
• 54:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah he should be a happer dash or like let's do it.
• 55:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Michael McKin character stayed in music but now he only writes music for like holds music.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: for like telephones.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like often wonder who wrote that fucking music.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with all, there's like three fucking songs these days.
• 55:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we've all got to memorize and we've got everyone's in a while.
• 55:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: You get one that's different.
• 55:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, I love being on a hold with wall praise.
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is great.
• 55:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: What a treat.
• 55:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have a 10 year old Sony watches a lot of YouTube.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's into sort of all the new themes.
• 55:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like three or four pieces of like public domain music.
• 55:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 55:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: That all of the meme makers and all of the YouTubers use.
• 55:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we've tracked those things down.
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
• 55:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like monkeys dancing or something like that.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's very popular one.
• 55:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: One is called Fluffing a Duck.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 55:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: What is the other one?
• 55:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: One that Henry has been, that's my son.
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been listening to all these.
• 55:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually scanned it with my, my Spotify just, or my Chazam to see what it was.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: That he's been listening to since he was a toddler, bike rides by the green orbs, look down on it, that's in all of the memes as well.
• 56:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, a lot of names and monkeys.
• 56:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's five little monkeys.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what it's called.
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a children's class.
• 56:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Five little monkeys jumping on the bed.
• 56:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not maybe that's.
• 56:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't you sing that one when you were in preschool?
• 56:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe that's not.
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think enough.
• 56:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, they do find a drummer.
• 56:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: They find a young woman who's really energetic and is happy to be spinal tap's drummer.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's very, very talented.
• 56:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't quite understand that she's doomed.
• 56:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's like a little bit oblivious to the history of spinal tap drummers.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do place her again.
• 56:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who plays this young woman?
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me look up the actress's name.
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like the obvious kid is Maria back a lova, but I don't think they got her.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not Maria back a lova.
• 56:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 56:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Valerie Franco, it's the actress's name.
• 56:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was a character named D.D.
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Derek Smalls, the Harry Shurik character.
• 56:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like the pacidious one, he's the one who's coming on to people.
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got like a long gray hair, but he still starts to flirt with the drummer.
• 57:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, oh, and she's like a little bit oblivious that this old man is like coming on to her.
• 57:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, okay, oh, come on in, he's just my girlfriend.
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's just like dejected, and there's like this little weird moment of queer panic.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, my...
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You think she would have been like, cool.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's just like, oh, she's not interested in me.
• 57:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, no, she wasn't, to begin with.
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of missing a punch line on that.
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: They get some big celebrities.
• 57:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Paul McCartney comes in and plays with Spinal Tap.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the joke is just, you want to see Paul McCartney play with Spinal Tap?
• 57:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they just wanted to play with Spinal Tap so they're better than the movie.
• 57:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: There is a funny bit where they get Elton John to come in and play any playspiano and they sing one of the Spinal Tap tunes.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: No original songs, by the way, it's all stuff from the original song from the original song.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't one just to try to get into the Oscars yet.
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like that.
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing there?
• 57:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a funny bit because they have a really kind of selfish calo manager character and they're like listening and they're all kind of grooving along and Elton John's playing piano and they're all singing and having a great time and they finish up and then that manager guy stands up and says, that's really good, but could we have less piano?
• 58:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And
• 58:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Elton John likes to just taggers in the guy, that's like, that's kind of cute bit.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I like to think that he improvised that and Elton John's age was real.
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever see, I think it's sent it to you, but you may be very familiar with it.
• 58:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever see that bit that Paul Rudd and Adam Scott did on Adult Swam with Billy Joel?
• 58:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, okay, so they they had this opportunity to do like a short film for like a dull swim and the idea is it's going to be like the greatest thing ever put on television If you recall the 1980s sitcom bosom buddies with Tom Hanks and the other guy
• 58:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... but uh... they didn't have Billy Joel singing it was a cover so what they wanted to do was they wanted to get Billy Joel to record my life but the version from the sick come
• 59:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they got Billy Joel, Billy Joel said, yeah, you can film with me for like one day.
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can make the time It's just I'm Scott and Paul Rudd trying to get Billy Joel to sing it more like the guy covered Billy So that's fun.
• 59:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's fucking fun.
• 59:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 59:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good game There's a funny bit where they're looking for drummers and they call it Chad Smith
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: from the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
• 59:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hey, can you be our drummers?
• 59:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, no, but you should try Lars Ulrich.
• 59:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they call Lars Ulrich.
• 59:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: OK.
• 59:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: For Metallica.
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they get more Lars Ulrich.
• 59:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're literally foaming in their performances.
• 59:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're just on screens.
• 59:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 59:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Lars Ulrich says, no, I'm not going to do it.
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But call Chad Smith.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like they're trying to kill each other.
• 59:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm not going to do it.
• 59:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it.
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's kind of funny.
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there isn't a rival between the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Metallica, but it's going to cute.
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're certain.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: We call them, like a C-C equals a sequel to move that came out like a quite a long time ago.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's because like it has unexpected cultural staying power, maybe it's because the people who are in it got really big and just want to reunite, but basically, yeah, we're not rebooting it, it's just for bringing everyone back, freak your Friday, wasn't for any examples.
• 1:00:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: The 20-year-old movie, we're finally doing a sequel now.
• 1:00:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
• 1:00:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jamie Lee Curtis won an Oscar and Lindsay Lont's finally back in the film of the story, and that's still a very popular movie.
• 1:00:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
• 1:00:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: when the people really wanna be there because they have like a movie to make.
• 1:00:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when they're just doing it to like, get paid for reunion.
• 1:00:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:00:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like even something like Don't Head faced the music where they clearly didn't have enough money, they clearly wanted to tell that story.
• 1:00:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that was a real story.
• 1:00:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to tell, and it was pretty good story.
• 1:00:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I actually just, it's too cheap.
• 1:00:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Alex Winter was there for it.
• 1:00:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really committed to that bit.
• 1:00:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Keanu Reeves was there.
• 1:00:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's fine.
• 1:00:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's fine.
• 1:00:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's fine.
• 1:00:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: He kind of forgot how to play Ted.
• 1:00:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there we are.
• 1:00:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was it tomorrow weaving and Jack having in that?
• 1:01:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:01:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were the kid characters.
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were.
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And much of a whole movie just about that.
• 1:01:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were wonderful.
• 1:01:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess maybe there is a little bit of a meta commentary.
• 1:01:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the movie itself is this tired reunion, but it's about a tired reunion.
• 1:01:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's something that's the memories now that are about like old.
• 1:01:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: acts, you know, constantly like who has a new one every fucking week?
• 1:01:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a new one.
• 1:01:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's not like a new spin on this.
• 1:01:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's not like a gag that carries through to the end.
• 1:01:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's all just references to the old movie.
• 1:01:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a bit where the producer says, hey, you know what's hot right now.
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Korean boy bands.
• 1:01:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we need to teach them dance moves.
• 1:01:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: But these guys are 80.
• 1:01:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like they can barely, they were going to sit for the concert.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like they're not going to get a concert.
• 1:01:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're not going to get up and
• 1:01:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they're just starting to joke.
• 1:01:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a callback, one of the gags in the original is they're going to perform their song Stone Hands.
• 1:01:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the idea was they're going to have this full-size Stone Hand replica lower from the ceiling and land on this day.
• 1:02:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And price of production value.
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to play on this underneath this 20-foot stone.
• 1:02:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they put together a model and they've mixed up inches and feet.
• 1:02:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they put one quote mark instead of two.
• 1:02:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: They put two instead of one.
• 1:02:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it ended up being two feet tall instead of 20.
• 1:02:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so It's very silly.
• 1:02:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's very silly.
• 1:02:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it lowers from the, lowers from the top of the state.
• 1:02:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's this little teeny thing.
• 1:02:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: This time, they finally get the one they want, but it doesn't turn out well.
• 1:02:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's the climax of the movie.
• 1:02:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you're out in maybe four minutes.
• 1:02:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, it's just short time.
• 1:02:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:02:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, this food is terrible, but at least it's small portion.
• 1:02:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:02:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, so it's kind of a lazy, uninteresting, repeated sequel to a movie that I'm not super fond of to be in with.
• 1:02:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know that's an unpopular opinion, but even if you're into it, maybe you're not going to like the fact that they're just saying the same things again.
• 1:02:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we just had a legacy sequel about the history of this band that made sounds.
• 1:02:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me about Twinnless.
• 1:03:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'll tell you about twins.
• 1:03:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's one of them.
• 1:03:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Twinless.
• 1:03:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a film with Stars.
• 1:03:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was written directed by a filmmaker named James Sweeney, who I'm not terribly familiar with, OK?
• 1:03:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's also one of the stars.
• 1:03:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: He stars opposite Dylan O'Brien, the Dylan O'Brien character.
• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: He plays a character named Roman, who recently lost his identical twin brother, Rocky, OK?
• 1:03:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is, you know, devastating for him, and he goes to a support group for other people who have lost their identical twins, just because this is, the bond between identical twin siblings is not explainable to somebody who's not into it.
• 1:03:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can only imagine.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, in these meetings, they call people without twins singlets.
• 1:03:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, is this funny?
• 1:03:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's, it's sort of like a dark comedy.
• 1:03:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because there's all these dark things, but this Roman character is like, he's kind of a dim bowl, he's a bit of a jock, he has anger issues, he says a lot of maleproposums, he's just not too bright, but he's really hurting, very deeply, he has kind of a now-contentious relationship with his mother, who's played by Lauren Graham.
• 1:04:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, great idea.
• 1:04:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he goes to this meeting, and that's where he meets the James Sweeney character.
• 1:04:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: James Sweeney character has a twin that he lost a guy named Dean and they start to bond a little bit and they realize, well, they can become friends and that will almost fulfill
• 1:04:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're missing dwells.
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think kind of become these sort of air sats friends brothers for each other You think it might be a romantic thing going on as well.
• 1:04:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: The the James Weenie character is queer But the Roman character is aggressively heterosexual
• 1:04:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Romans, brum images like, ah, women, pretty modern Russia, boss or after-hands, but Romans, Romans that brother Rocky is also also queer and like also very a feat and intelligent and charismatic and everybody liked him better.
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So now he's sort of like,
• 1:05:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: The lesser twin is the survival.
• 1:05:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the world has to be you.
• 1:05:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like dark circles.
• 1:05:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the rest of the world with a lot of those feelings.
• 1:05:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this actually gets really real.
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Dylan O'Brien, who plays both twins, is fantastic.
• 1:05:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a wonderful scene where he just sort of unleashes all of his feelings about his brother.
• 1:05:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he ends the...
• 1:05:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: the James Weenie character kind of stay in a motel room together and just sort of let's it all out and starts crying and yells at the skies if we were his deceased plan and there's so there's a lot of serious emotions that are going on.
• 1:05:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a good actor.
• 1:05:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He mentioned said it at night earlier and he'd like Dan Acroite in that and I thought it really could be a good actor.
• 1:05:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's actually like really repiable and has a lot of range.
• 1:05:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We even see that just with these two characters because Romans kind of like this this gruff
• 1:06:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: a rough human character and rocky is we only see him in a couple scenes in a flashback but he is so much different and he can actually is able to carry all that out like this whole new character then there's a twist at the end of the first act where it's revealed that let me guys let me guys let me guys
• 1:06:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: one of them was a triplet.
• 1:06:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 1:06:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dammit!
• 1:06:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: That one was so good!
• 1:06:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, it turns out that Dennis, the James Sweeney character, had met Rocky before.
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And indeed it had a fling with Rocky.
• 1:06:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
• 1:06:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that his motivations for going to that twin group.
• 1:06:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're to see the brother.
• 1:06:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're to see your room.
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and there's other twist besides so I can't really talk about sort of like that kicks us off That's a sighting incident.
• 1:06:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the yeah, that's at the end of the first act.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I can bring that up and we see some other Some other flashbacks and sort of what's going on that sort of complicates his relationship with Roman and what's going on and how how much he's been honest about and how much he's not being honest about
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: and how tortured he is because he's actually getting a lot out of spending time with Roman and they're becoming very good friends.
• 1:07:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of falling in love with the dead twin like in this airsatz kind of away.
• 1:07:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Most importantly he likes having a friend.
• 1:07:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: He likes having just somebody he can pal around with and you know the idea of- Are you less on the very close to you?
• 1:07:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, there's some fun, funny moments because it turns into this kind of comedy of errors, where he's trying to cover for one thing, and there's a lot of like Ryanus and sort of like prodding going on throughout this movie.
• 1:07:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
• 1:07:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
• 1:07:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you mentioned, it's giving me all the plot.
• 1:07:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fine, what is it?
• 1:07:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: about.
• 1:07:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's about loneliness, isn't it?
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's about these characters.
• 1:07:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's about a liar character who is obfuscating a lot and lying about a lot and trying to do these things for subterfuge and starting to do it kind of compulsively after a while.
• 1:08:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a lot of movies about compulsive liars, like the informant, shattered glass, the movies about these
• 1:08:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Callo usually men who just sort of compulsively lied to people because that's sort of a a personal sport for them Yeah, they're not trying to not in a superior way.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not trying to like get the drop on people It's just they can't really stop doing it.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they like the attention they get from like telling interesting stories and lying to people Mm-hmm and then when they get caught in it they have an opportunity to lie more
• 1:08:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they got caught, so they have to come up with new lives.
• 1:08:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they have to start asking what lies did I tell them what people, and sometimes those can be really dark thrillers, hitch-cocted movies like that.
• 1:08:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: About criminals are trying to cover for themselves and improvises, they go, and after a while, they're like, oh, I hope the killer gets away with it.
• 1:08:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute, what am I thinking?
• 1:08:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, and these are the kinds of things that I think any kid can relate to, any kid who's told a fib and tries to get out of it by telling another fib, and I think that's sort of something anybody has, perhaps done once or twice in their lives.
• 1:09:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: George, did you chop down that cherry tree?
• 1:09:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can tell a lie.
• 1:09:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a ghost where won't.
• 1:09:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a great bit.
• 1:09:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Susie had a lizard, has a great bit.
• 1:09:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, we like our heads off as kids didn't know it.
• 1:09:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, did you brush your teeth?
• 1:09:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, yes, let's correct.
• 1:09:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was dead at the time.
• 1:09:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, why are you lying so much?
• 1:09:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, it is, it is sort of that liar, liar of the old plot eventually.
• 1:09:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, like when the truths start to come out and people start to like figure out what's going on.
• 1:09:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a really fantastic role for, let me look up the actress's name, Aesling, French, Eosie, Aesling, Aesling, excuse me, yeah, yeah, you might remember I'm a, there's a night and go, nine go, yeah, she was also in that voyage of the Demeter, which was not as good as night, she, very different role here, she plays sort of like this flowery bubbly character, plays a receptionist where the, the James Queen character works and she and Roman end up sort of like
• 1:10:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: being attracted to each other and we think she's kind of a dim bulb at first as well just because she's so bubbly all the time, but it turns out she's really intelligent.
• 1:10:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she plays a major role by the end of the movie as well.
• 1:10:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: But again, I can't say too much.
• 1:10:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, it's a lot of fun.
• 1:10:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of fun.
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was also really excellent in stop motion.
• 1:10:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which was I didn't see stop.
• 1:10:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really wanted to see it.
• 1:10:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not amazing But as like a character piece with some really creepy stop motion in it.
• 1:10:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was a stop motion animator Who's mother dies and she's trying to like finish her mother's movie?
• 1:10:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but her own Subconscious keeps cracking in and making it super creepy and weird She was also in that film speak no evil.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the remake.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the remake of speak no evil.
• 1:10:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: The one with James McAvoy.
• 1:10:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's gonna
• 1:10:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, and she's also very pliable as an actress.
• 1:10:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's good.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really emotionally frank while also being a little bit sarcastic because it realizes that this is really as kind of an extraordinary story.
• 1:11:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the characters are a little bit taken aback by how big and strange a lot of this is.
• 1:11:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the characters themselves are funny.
• 1:11:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a good way to sort of add comedic elements
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: characters that have a sense of humor.
• 1:11:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the joke with you.
• 1:11:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we tend to think of that as a Duramedy draw.
• 1:11:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like hard casting it as those characters are funny.
• 1:11:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they're doing serious stuff.
• 1:11:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so yeah But there's like this one's has such an arch premise that all the characters start to acknowledge this is all pretty arch It's those kind of contrived Yeah All right last movie and I'm sorry I didn't see the films on the back end of this The history
• 1:11:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: of sound uh... what was the first sound well they don't go into that in the history of sound the c-minus
• 1:12:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I'm so sorry.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not what it says on the team.
• 1:12:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a film directed by Oliver Hermannis, who's only other film I've seen was living the nearly shot for shot remade of Eqiro.
• 1:12:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which I never saw.
• 1:12:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which was so much like Eqiro is difficult for me to review it, as it's like, why did you do that?
• 1:12:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're just gonna do kind of almost exactly the same thing.
• 1:12:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: But look at this way we can get rich people to do it.
• 1:12:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I suppose so, and I guess there is a parallel between
• 1:12:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: button-down-laced up version of a world of Japanese salarymen and British accountants in about the same era.
• 1:12:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the characters are pretty much identical to plots, pretty identical.
• 1:12:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the payoff is also identical.
• 1:12:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is, and that's a, like, a sentimental film.
• 1:12:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's another thing that, um, living sets apart from EQ2, um, Kurosawa was very humane, but he's not typically sentimental.
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And even though there's a lot of warmth and sentimentality in EQ2, it's actually very, uh, it comes by all of those emotions very honestly, whereas I think living was
• 1:13:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: got it.
• 1:13:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's the inferior film, but when you're remaking you kiddo and going by that story, you're doing well.
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's one of those ain't broke.
• 1:13:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't fix it kind of things.
• 1:13:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's one of the best ever.
• 1:13:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But um, yeah.
• 1:13:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So now we hear he's back.
• 1:13:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh,
• 1:13:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: adapting a book by Ben Schadeck about these two young men, it's 1916, and one of them was played by Joshua Connor, and the others played by Paul Mescal, and they are wearing very slim-fitting early 20th century suits, hanging out in a pub when the Joshua Connor
• 1:14:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Paul Mescal turns around and says, I know that song.
• 1:14:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Turns out these are both professors at a music university.
• 1:14:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're setting full music.
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And as we learn throughout the movie, Paul Mescal came from like the wilds of Kentucky and it lived in a shack with his parents, like really, really remotely out in the woods.
• 1:14:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of full music is very dear to him and his mother taught him all these songs.
• 1:14:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Joshua Connor is kind of interested in that.
• 1:14:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a little bit more a feet he came from sort of Cosmopolitan background.
• 1:14:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they sort of meet and they bond and they start to have drinks together.
• 1:14:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: We know instantly that they fall in love.
• 1:14:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's kind of nice.
• 1:14:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, but here's the thing about this movie.
• 1:14:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this might drive some people a little crazy.
• 1:14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is so,
• 1:14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: understated.
• 1:14:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's not like a moment where they say we're in love.
• 1:15:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's not sort of like the big sweeping romance.
• 1:15:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: They do cast, and they do make love, and we see them in bed together, but there's not sort of the grand swelling, it kind of gently crests, and
• 1:15:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: in order to sort of fill some time and spend some time together, they decide to go on a song-finding mission, and they go out into the woods of Appalachian or sort of this remote parts of the United States on foot with this really rudimentary wax cylinder of recording device, and they just go out to the people and have them sing full songs, yeah, and record them for posterity, yeah, and this they're doing this for like intellectual curiosity,
• 1:15:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: They get to sort of talk about their lives a little bit, but they're not so, this is not a walk in talk movie.
• 1:15:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not having sort of rich conversations.
• 1:15:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everything has sort of some text to it.
• 1:15:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a little tiny, little tiny, subtle symbols like the Paul Mascale character travels with a down pillow and it develops a hole at one point and does your car picks up the feathers and puts them back.
• 1:16:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's going to be nice.
• 1:16:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like little things like that.
• 1:16:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a very thoughtful thing to do.
• 1:16:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
• 1:16:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Think of the tone of something like Kelly Grichart's first cow and now take away all of the brazen obviousness of them.
• 1:16:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, first cow first cow, which is known for how like up in your face It that was that was Kelly Wright heard's Michael day riff.
• 1:16:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, first cow Yeah, it's a great double feature the rock first cow.
• 1:16:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this is like really really understate and However, it's the kind of understatement that I love This film is hitting me so well And they're singing all of these marvelous Folk songs and then the Joshua Conna characters call off to work
• 1:16:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that damned inconvenience.
• 1:16:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I mixed up those events.
• 1:16:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he was away in World War I and then they kind of bonded.
• 1:16:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were reunited later.
• 1:16:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But time keeps on passing.
• 1:17:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's only the first half of the movie.
• 1:17:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we go with the Paul Mescal character as he sort of continues his career.
• 1:17:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he keeps on traveling the world.
• 1:17:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he has another boyfriend when he goes off to,
• 1:17:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Italy and then he travels to England where he meets a girlfriend.
• 1:17:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: He has to learn so a woman that he might potentially marians to move into British high society and high money places, but then he has to go back home because his mom might be ill so he has to travel back to Kentucky and go back to this very remote cabin and kind of like
• 1:17:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Keeps on going back and forth and living, and it's a big part of this movie is this character Kind of reconnecting with his roots or trying to stay connected to his roots and Realizing that the music is a big part of this and how the love he had for the Joshua Connor character Has really kind of defined him and how music will come to be the universal thing that Keeps him alive throughout his life.
• 1:17:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
• 1:17:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: This movie made me cry and cry and cry like a little bit like
• 1:18:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: loudly and openly in my car.
• 1:18:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got out of this movie and I'm like walking back to just thinking about the movie But you made it to your car, right?
• 1:18:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I sat down to turn the ignition.
• 1:18:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't do it.
• 1:18:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just started like screen crying.
• 1:18:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a delayed action.
• 1:18:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah.
• 1:18:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of this has to do with just sort of type of music that was being sung because that's the stuff my dad used to sing to me.
• 1:18:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: He knew a lot of that stuff.
• 1:18:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: He spent a lot of his youth in Alabama and picked up a lot of that stuff.
• 1:18:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like thinking of my dad and thinking of all of this, this beauty of the world.
• 1:18:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm imagining a queer romance based on the music of Bobby Bear, because that's what would do it for my dad.
• 1:18:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Bobby Bear?
• 1:18:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was in the Bobby Bear constantly.
• 1:18:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's his favorite thing.
• 1:18:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dropkick me Jesus.
• 1:18:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a little post-alight.
• 1:18:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Classic song.
• 1:18:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Classic song.
• 1:18:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I knew my father is still with us, he was born in 1940.
• 1:18:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: had access to plenty of silly songs, but he wasn't a big pop music guy.
• 1:19:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's but he did know a lot of old folk songs and old sort of campfire songs, he sang those to me.
• 1:19:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I admit that a lot of my emotional reaction to this film was very personal, but I also wanted to try to hit you on a personal level and then it's an emotional film.
• 1:19:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like
• 1:19:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate how subtle and how understated this movie is because that's where the biggest emotions lie.
• 1:19:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: The gigantic emotional climaxes were used to for movies.
• 1:19:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the stuff of melodrama.
• 1:19:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the stuff of fiction.
• 1:19:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Our bigger emotional moments tend to come when we're not expecting them or seeing them.
• 1:19:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I agree with that.
• 1:19:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just think that was a big emotional moments are fewer and far between.
• 1:19:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: we're used to the small emotional moments because that's what we usually have, but we have people getting married, people are born, people die, those are real.
• 1:19:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I suppose so, maybe it's just the way my memory works, but the big moments are secondary, the small moments are what, moon large in my mind.
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the small moments are what we need big reminders of their significance, because everyone remembers when, you know, a beloved family member passes away.
• 1:20:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a huge life-changing event, but the smaller moments can be overlooked in their significance.
• 1:20:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like is is your happiest memory the one where you were on a roller coaster in Disneyland It's your happiest memory the day you got married the day your child was born or is your happiest memory?
• 1:20:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Something that happened in the middle of Wednesday afternoon one day I finally beat Mega Man eggs.
• 1:20:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was the winner.
• 1:20:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: You remember that, see?
• 1:20:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, don't you don't remember the day you beat me?
• 1:20:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I remember the day beat Mega Man eggs too.
• 1:20:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but not Mega Man eggs
• 1:20:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't lead it though.
• 1:20:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Was it a special moment?
• 1:20:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Megaman X2?
• 1:20:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
• 1:20:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I just pulled something out of my butt.
• 1:20:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: My point was it was like some random thing.
• 1:20:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, some random thing.
• 1:20:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have to do some there.
• 1:20:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can find that exact little moment.
• 1:20:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I could tell you what what my happiest memory is, but that's mine.
• 1:20:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's I'm not sharing it on the podcast.
• 1:20:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:21:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let them guess.
• 1:21:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of my favorite movies of the year.
• 1:21:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just, it knows the way the heart operates.
• 1:21:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It knows the way music lives in that space.
• 1:21:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And not anything complex.
• 1:21:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also thinking of another one of my favorite movies.
• 1:21:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're also dealt with the history of music in a big way.
• 1:21:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking over the movie sinners.
• 1:21:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
• 1:21:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sinners has this wonderful sequence in the middle where they kind of say that music connects to history.
• 1:21:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:21:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's this sort of fantastical sequence where they're playing this jazz music and this juke joint out in the in.
• 1:21:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, on the boonies, but all of a sudden, the past, the present and the future all kind of collide, so we see some ancient characters, but also some like 21st century characters, all the same room playing together dancing together.
• 1:22:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's astonishingly beautiful cinema.
• 1:22:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, yeah, it's, it's really, really great, but that is about the actual,
• 1:22:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: history of musical forms and how they've evolved.
• 1:22:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: The history of sound is just about the, even though it's called the history of sound, it's more about the impact of music on the individual's heart.
• 1:22:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Historically.
• 1:22:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Historically, it takes place the 1910s.
• 1:22:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Historically, well, but ends in 1980.
• 1:22:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It fills life.
• 1:22:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which is still the past history, my friend.
• 1:22:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: My gosh.
• 1:22:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I didn't see it.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm basically here to act as a child.
• 1:22:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Try to have a moment here, as a movie that I adore.
• 1:22:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, you know what, I'm fully a marvel on you.
• 1:22:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just ruining every big emotion.
• 1:22:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm home, I would have, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a, with a
• 1:23:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Point being, for God's sake, please see this beautiful, beautiful movie, okay, but also know that my taste in movies tends to, especially dramas like this, tends to run toward the quiet.
• 1:23:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is a very quiet movie about big emotions that are very subtly stated.
• 1:23:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which it not?
• 1:23:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: If that isn't necessarily the first thing you think of as your movie, if that's not necessarily your vibe, that doesn't mean don't see it, but that means when you see it, keep that in mind.
• 1:23:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, keep that in mind.
• 1:23:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Beyond that way, that's the movie doing what it's trying to do, that's not a bug, that's a feature.
• 1:23:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let the movie be quiet, and if you can get on that same wavelength of quietness, then you're going to really, really love it.
• 1:23:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is time to review our movies on the critically clean scale.
• 1:23:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a movie review roundup We review movies on a scale of C minus to C plus the lowest ranking and movie can get ranking The lowest rating and movie can no the lowest score the lowest thingy the lowest letter The lowest letter grade you can get is a C minus we consider that below average I was in movies.
• 1:24:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't particularly recommend
• 1:24:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: A.C.
• 1:24:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: is an average motion picture, it's a mixed bag, more for one audience and another kind of thing.
• 1:24:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then a C plus is above average.
• 1:24:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: These are movies that we hardly recommend for one reason or another.
• 1:24:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And let's just jump in, Whitney.
• 1:24:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: The history of sound I assume.
• 1:24:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a C++, I just said it's one of my favorites that's here.
• 1:24:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: That trust, it'd be weird if you said it was a C-minus, like I was thinking about it for a second, no it says.
• 1:24:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've done that before, I've been very abusive and then just give it a C. Yeah, well that's why we do this though, because sometimes we get caught up talking about a piece of a movie, and then, but in the aggregate on the whole, it doesn't necessarily reflect.
• 1:24:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: The amount of time we spent talking about something bad might overshadow how good we think it is overall, and so that the letter rating helps qualify that yeah, all right twinless
• 1:25:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: it's also a C+.
• 1:25:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do appreciate it sense of humor, I think there's some really great performances in this movie and I appreciate the emotional honesty of the way the story kind of played itself.
• 1:25:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Alright.
• 1:25:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Spinal Tap 2.
• 1:25:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is a C-minus.
• 1:25:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a shame.
• 1:25:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's terribly funny.
• 1:25:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And is it terrible?
• 1:25:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not terrible.
• 1:25:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but it's not funny at it.
• 1:25:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not really funny.
• 1:25:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's so insubstantial that you're not going to even remember that you saw it.
• 1:25:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 1:25:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: The long walk I'm going to see plus I have a few things I criticize about it, but generally speaking I think it's incredibly effective, very pointed, the found a great way to make this story feel relevant to today, even though I think the original metaphor.
• 1:25:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: is a bit lacking.
• 1:25:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: But great performances, really suspenseful, genuinely upsetting as a movie like this should be.
• 1:25:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: So see you guys.
• 1:25:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, waiting.
• 1:25:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also a C plus.
• 1:25:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, great, great pop tragedy.
• 1:26:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the kind of hopelessness that a big crowd will just dig.
• 1:26:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I can see like slumber, like boys at the slumber party watching something like that.
• 1:26:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:26:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then the conjuring last right for me,
• 1:26:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a C. This is just what the conjuring does, but they're not doing anything with particularly special.
• 1:26:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not incompetent or anything.
• 1:26:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't really hit.
• 1:26:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, oh, these guys are back.
• 1:26:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not, I'm not passionate enough about it to say it's bad, but I'm definitely not passionate about it.
• 1:26:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Say it's good.
• 1:26:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to give it a C-minus.
• 1:26:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Edin Lorraine Warren are good movie characters.
• 1:26:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: The real life I didn't learn or different matter, but I like the vera for me and Patrick Wilson have been able to create these horror movie protagonists that we can still get behind for movies later, but it's so scatter, there's so much going on in this movie, there's not a lot of, and it does commit that sand of not being scary at all.
• 1:26:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I need to feel some fear when I'm saying a movie like this especially if fear is the thing that's a threat to a family Yeah, there are some good scary minds the little bits the Annabelle bit is is is creepy for a second Yeah, I've got some good scary images in there.
• 1:27:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that image.
• 1:27:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's that's quite scary.
• 1:27:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is but then when they're fucking wrestling a mirror It's like
• 1:27:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Come on man, it's like dragging them across the ground and stopping them around and stuff.
• 1:27:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty It's like something out of a trauma movie.
• 1:27:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just ridiculous now done like anyway That is it for critically claimed think about it for less thing.
• 1:27:29
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• 1:28:39
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The original, well, actually no.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The second Super Mario Bros.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: movie, the one with Bob Hoskins and John Mike Wazamo.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's dead, Jim.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to go to the Midnight Show.
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