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113: Theresa Bullard - New Adventures in Physics: From PhD in Neutrinos To Modern Mystery School · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

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Meredith Oke: Welcome to the Quantum Biology Collective podcast
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where we break down the practical applications of
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this emerging science, starting with healthy life
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habits and going wherever the quantum
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superhighway takes us. This is your host,
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executive and life coach Meredith Oak with a
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quick reminder that podcasts are conversations,
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not consultations. But if you're looking for one
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of those, do check out our free practitioner
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directory@quantumbiologycollective.org we are
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going on a fun ride today people. It is going to
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be good. I have Dr. Teresa Bullard, Ph.D. theresa
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is a Ph.D. physicist. Her degree is from the
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University of Washington in Seattle. She has over
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12 years experience in experimental research
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including neutrino physics, atomic physics,
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quantum physics, crystal chemistry,
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nanotechnology, origin of life studies and more.
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However, she is also the author of a book called
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the Game Social alchemists of the 21st century
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century and a highly sought after speaker on
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personal development and spiritual development
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through a quantum lens. So I have been following
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Teresa's work for many years. I have found her to
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be a very clear communicator who really
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understands her subject very thoroughly from an
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academic perspective, but is one of those rare
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scientists who left the academic world, left
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standard physics to follow her heart and study
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all of the implications of science and from a
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more spiritual and esoteric perspective. She has
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a TV show on the Gaia Network called Mystery
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Teachings which I really recommend. She does a
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great quantum physics breakdown in those episodes
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and she also has a business with her husband
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called the Quantum Learning Academy which she
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talks about in this episode. And she speaks all
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over the world and runs workshops and does all
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kinds of really cool stuff and agreed to come on
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this podcast and chat with me. So I got to have a
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fan moment. You know when you've been watching
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someone for a long time and then all of a sudden
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you're talking to them and we had a really
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interesting conversation. We talked about the
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esoteric impact of neutrinos. We will explain
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what those are as well as the practical
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application of concepts like alchemy and how they
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are relevant to the present day metamorphosis
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that we're all going through personally and
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collectively as a culture. So enjoy. I don't know
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Bullard. Dr. Theresa Bullard, welcome to the
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Quantum Biology Collective podcast. I am deeply
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delighted to be talking with you today. Thank you
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for making the time.
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Theresa Bullard: Thank you, Meredith, for the invitation.
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Meredith Oke: So, as we were just chatting about, I first came
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across your work many years ago and was felt very
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deeply connected because I had come to the idea
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of quantum physics many times in my life, but it
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was always through what we lovingly call the woo
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people. And they would refer to quantum physics
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as, you know, the scientific proof for whatever
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esoteric philosophy they were talking about. And
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it felt true, but I never really felt like their
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description of why and how was really going all
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the way. They would make some vague references
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to, you know, an experiment here and there and
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then keep and then move on. But what I found your
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work and as a classically trained physicist with
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a PhD, you were the first person I encountered
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who was able to explain classical physics and
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classical quantum physics from, from the academic
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field in a way that A, made sense and B, still
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connected it back to our beloved esoteric
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philosophies. So could you explain how you tell
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people what you tell people? Quantum physics is
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for those of us who are not physicists.
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Theresa Bullard: Okay, thank you. So quantum physics, I would say,
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is the physics that governs the most fundamental,
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the most basic building blocks of our universe.
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Right. If we go down to the innermost core of
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everything, every atom, every particle, you go
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down to the innermost core of everything that
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makes up this universe. It is going to be built
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based on quantum physics and the ways in which
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quantum physics tell us that these particles are
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allowed to interact and behave and how they're
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not allowed to behave. And from there the physics
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kind of expands. And the more you add in lots and
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lots of particles to build up more complex atoms
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and then chemistry and so forth, they have to
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start statistically averaging out and that's when
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we then get more of a Newtonian classical type
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interaction. And we work with the classical
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physics laws, but at the most core essence, we
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are quantum. And I, I think that that what it
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ultimately is telling us is that we need to look
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beyond just the physical. You know, for so long,
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science was so focused on what is the smallest
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particle, what are, what are the smallest
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building blocks. Um, and the more they continued
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to search deeper and deeper and have a higher
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energy experiments to be able to probe more
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deeply into matter, the more they found that it's
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actually not about the particles, it's about the
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fields. It's about the energy and that there's
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infinite possibilities of what could be drawn
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forth from the. The quantum sea of potential. And
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it's like, in some ways, the more they just ramp
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up their particle accelerator energies, the more
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they get new particles coming out of this quantum
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field. And so it's like, it's about the energy,
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it's about the field, it's about the
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interconnectivity and this infinite possibility
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that it presents us with when we can learn how to
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tap into it, when we learn how to probe it and
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also communicate with it. So I say, ultimately,
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we are quantum beings. The universe is quantum
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everything from the smallest particles all the
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way to intergalactic structures. Quantum physics
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is actually playing a really important role in
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how we and the universe function.
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Meredith Oke: Thank you. That was beautifully simple, and it's
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so true. I remember in middle school learning the
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small what the smallest particle was. And then in
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high school, they're like, oh, no, no, no. It's
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different now. And then in college, not that I
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took science, but I would, you know, you hear
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things like, oh, no, no. Now it's. Now it's a
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cork. Now it's over.
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Theresa Bullard: Right.
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Meredith Oke: And I remember thinking, is this ever going to
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stop? So the way that you describe physics, it is
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so clear that we are quantum beings. However, on
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my journey, I came into this, you know, through
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personal health and wanting to heal myself. And I
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discovered that there was. It was actually
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considered completely untrue that there were
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quantum effects in biological systems according
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to classical biology. So could you. And there's
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been some great academic work done in the last 15
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years to show that actually that was an incorrect
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conclusion. What are your thoughts on that? I
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mean, obviously, the way you describe it, it's.
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There's no question.
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Theresa Bullard: Yeah. You know, it's. It's really interesting
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because science, you know, for hundreds of years,
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science is being driven by a very Newtonian
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model, right. All the way back to Isaac Newton.
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And it became, you know, reduced to four
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different principles. There was that everything
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can be reduced to its parts. Reductionism.
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Everything is deterministic. Right. That we can
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predetermine and know. If we know the formulas,
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then we can know everything about a system and
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how it will unfold, that things are separate and
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isolated. So if we just, you know, break down a
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whole into its separate components and understand
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how those components work, then we understand,
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you know, the whole. And what I do in my
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laboratory here doesn't affect anything else. You
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know, so it's this sort of isolation model, and
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then that things are materially real. And the
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ultimately, it made the value system based on
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what's physical and what's knowable and what we
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can rationalize our way through. And because of
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this, and there's a certain scientific dogma that
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started to set in to most the scientific fields.
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And that dogma became its own mindset that
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started to limit the scientist perception and
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willingness to even entertain certain ideas. So
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scientism kind of became its own form of
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religion, if you will. And so, you know, with one
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of those ideas, for example, is that quantum
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physics only applies to very fundamental
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particles. And it only applies as you get to that
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super, super small scale. And that as soon as you
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start getting into larger numbers, they call them
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ensembles. When you get to these ensembles or
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larger numbers of particles interacting together,
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Any quantum effects get averaged out. So once you
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move into the chemistry realm, Quantum physics
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isn't supposed to have any effect. And especially
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when you get into the biology realm, it shouldn't
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have any effect. But now we' starting to see more
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and more experiments being done that are showing
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entanglement phenomenon, for example, where this
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is a quantum phenomenon where two particles that
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at some point interact and then are separated,
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that they remain connected even when they're
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separated by, you know, light years, for example,
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and they have this instantaneous connection
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between them. Well, now we're starting to see
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larger and larger systems, Even all the way up to
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biology, have entanglement phenomenon As a result
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of certain coherence. What's most important when
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it comes to quantum application Is that things
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are in a coherent state. They're somehow
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synchronized together. But even at a biological
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level, that can happen. And we're starting to see
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that, for example, in some of the microtubules
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that work within various neurons and the nervous
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system itself, we're finding it in higher and
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higher levels of molecules also being entangled
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together. And so this coherence is really key,
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though. So just because. And so science generally
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has believed that you can't get that level of
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coherence Unless you're, like, at near absolute
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zero temperatures, which biology can't function
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at. But. But now they're finding that that's not
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entirely the case. There are other ways to get
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this sort of coherence within the biological
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level. So I personally believe, though, that the
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thing that science is leaving out and maybe
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starting to open up to exploring Is the
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consciousness factor. And that, you know, so
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like, I remember when I was in grad school, I
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actually asked. I was at the University of
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Washington. I was really starting to get more
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educated on my own around things like biophotons
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and the potential of biophysics and quantum and
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the possible correlates of consciousness. And I
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actually asked my professors at one point, you
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know, could I do my dissertation research in
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consciousness and how quantum physics, you know,
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interacts maybe, you know, in the brain or
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something along those lines. And I literally was
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told, please do not embarrass this organization
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with such soft pseudoscience kind of stuff. So,
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you know, so they really were not open to it at
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that time. And that, you know, that was back in
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the early 2000s. And so, you know, but by now I
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think that there's much more openness starting to
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come back into the field. With younger
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generations moving forward and becoming
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professors, there's more openness, but there's
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still like this. We're in this transition still
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between this old paradigm, materialistic way of
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viewing everything to the shifting into a new
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paradigm where we are starting to look at the
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consciousness factor and more interdisciplinary.
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Like, I also wanted to do interdisciplinary
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research at the time, and it was very hard to
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find, and it wasn't well funded either. And so
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you had all this separation between the various
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branches of science, and they didn't even speak
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the same language. Like, I shifted at some point
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from doing neutrino physics research to doing
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crystal chemistry and material science, and I
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literally had to learn a whole new language and
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way of thinking to understand how do we approach
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this research. So even you would think that
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physics and chemistry are next of kin in the
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scientific way of approaching things, but they
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are very different in their. In their mindset, in
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their approach, in their culture, and even in
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their terminology. You know, it's. They speak.
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The academic world kind of creates silos within
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itself because of all of its nomenclature. And,
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you know, they like to. You got to be an expert
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to know what to.
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Meredith Oke: So even if you wanted to cross reference, it's
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very difficult because everyone's using different
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terminology, different formulas, different
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everything.
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Theresa Bullard: Yeah, yeah, the nomenclature, you know, I mean,
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like in chemistry, for example, there's a lot of
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Latin that's being used in the naming of various
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chemical processes and molecules and so forth.
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Whereas in physics it's, you know, you don't
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really get that, but then you get, you know, a
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lot of acronyms in physics and, you know, so
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it's. You have to, like, you have to really be
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determined when you're trained in one way of
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thinking. So, for example, also a physicist, as a
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physicist, I was trained to do everything from
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first principles that you. You need to understand
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the math. You got to work it all out, drive it
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first and, and dot every I and cross every T
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before you go to the experiment. Whereas in
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chemistry it was like the opposite. They're like,
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throw, throw the chemicals together, see what
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comes out, and then try and figure it out. You
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know, it's a completely different mindset. So, so
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it me a real, like quite a period of years to
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adjust from, from one way to the other. But I
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ultimately made my own interdisciplinary way of
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working through the scientific field.
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Meredith Oke: That's amazing. And you know, I think that's
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probably the way forward. I took the name Quantum
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biology from a book called the Coming Age of
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Quantum Biology. And I'm going to be honest, I
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don't remember the details of the science in that
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book. But what I do remember very clearly is in
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the foreword, the two authors, one was a
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biologist and one was a physicist. And the way
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they talked about daring to work together, it was
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like they were having an affair on their, on
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their fields or something. They met and they were
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like, what if we could help each other solve
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problem? Like, I don't know, will we get kicked
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out? Will we get divorced? Yeah, but, you know, I
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think obviously it worked out and they made some
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incredible breakthroughs. But I just, I didn't,
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as an outsider to science, I didn't understand
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until I read that just how difficult it is for
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you all to work together.
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Theresa Bullard: Well, I think, yeah. So I've kind of explained
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part of it and I think another part of it in the
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scientific field is there's a looming. There's
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sort of this fear, if you will, of losing
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credibility. And if you start venturing off into
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alternative subjects, you, you risk losing your
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credibility. And they kind of hold that over
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people. Like, don't, don't go in that direction
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because you'll lose your credibility. It's soft
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science or whatever it is, or you won't get
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funding because you. So funding also drives
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scientific research. And what various funding
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agencies are willing to support is based on what
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they. Some kind of agenda or some kind of thing
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that they really want to know, whether it's for
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technological purposes or some basic science or
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there's defense money. So there's certain agendas
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that you have to kind of figure out how to write
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your grant in a way that fulfills what they're
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wanting to fund and it drives science. And I
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think a lot of people don't understand,
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understand that, you know, because sometimes you
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get the skeptics to say, well, you know, if
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consciousness has some quantum correlates,
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where's the proof and why Is it. Why isn't there
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any research or more research on it? And it's
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like, well, there is research on it, but there's,
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there's several things. One is funding it can't
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get funded. Usually. 2 is even if they self fund
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and they do the research and then they try to
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publish, they get rejected just purely without
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even having read it or, or verified it. It just
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gets rejected because it's not the acceptable
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kind of topic. And, and then there, you know,
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then there's the risk of credibility and tenure
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if you're, you know, professor. So there's all
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these kinds of complications that come in with
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the, this, the academic model in science. But I
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do, I have seen there's more willingness, there's
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more courage now coming from people who are in
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those tenured positions. Because it used to be a
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physicist, even if they believed in consciousness
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and that consciousness was prim their entire
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career, they wouldn't say anything about it to
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their colleagues. And it wasn't until they
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retired that they would finally come out of the
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closet that they believed in something spiritual.
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And now we're seeing more and more who are, who
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are in physics professorships and tenured
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positions where they are starting to come out and
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just be like, this is what I believe. And they're
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willing to argue it out. And, you know, so there
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has been a shift in the last 10, 15 years, I
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would say, and that's really refreshing to see,
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although it wasn't when I was in grad school, so.
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Meredith Oke: Right. And led, led to your leaving the
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profession and going out on your own.
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Theresa Bullard: Yeah, yeah. I decided I needed to follow my heart
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rather than just following the, the standard
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system.
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Meredith Oke: Yes. I'd love to explore that a little bit. But
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first I did want to talk for a minute about
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neutrinos on this podcast. We talk a lot about
22:16
light and how biophotons interact with biology
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and how beautiful and amazing that is and good
22:24
for our health and all those things. But tell us
22:26
about neutrinos and what those are.
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Theresa Bullard: Yeah, so neutrinos are, they were discovered by,
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I think it was Pauli. He, he was one of the
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founding fathers of quantum physics. And as he
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was looking at different interactions based on
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what they were discovering at the time as the
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laws of physics, he was seeing that there, he,
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there would be certain known particles coming in
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to an interaction and then they would, you know,
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go, go out. You know, like maybe it was a, just a
23:02
scattering event or maybe there was an actual
23:05
exchange depending on the energy. But he also saw
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as he was working out the equations that there
23:10
were missing. There was something missing. And it
23:12
seemed to be carrying away angular momentum and a
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certain amount of energy, but it had no charge
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and it had no mass. So it wasn't interacting via
23:24
electromagnetism, and it was not interacting with
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mass. So gravitational effects that you wouldn't
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be able to look out into the cosmos and measure
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its gravitational effects, for example. And so
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they called it very weakly interacting. And it
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wasn't working via the strong force, which is
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more the nuclear, what holds a nucleus together.
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And so he called it the little neutral one, the
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neutrino. So there's a particle that has no
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charge, no mass. It's not one of the quarks that
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work via the strong force and create protons and
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neutrons. It's not an electron. It's not a
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photon. It's, you know, it's none of these other
24:07
particles that they knew at the time, but it is
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abundant in the universe, and it's produced
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inside of fusion, nuclear fusion. So in the stars
24:17
and in supernova and, you know, jets out of
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galactic cores, like the black holes, when they
24:24
have these sort of jets of plasma particles
24:27
coming out, neutrinos. So, like, for example, if
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there's a supernova somewhere out in the
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universe, the neutrinos will hit Earth first. If
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it's, if we're in the line of that, the neutrinos
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will hit Earth first before the photons do,
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because they don't interact with
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electromagnetism. So they don't get slowed down,
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whereas the photons get a bit slowed down in
24:52
their interactions with various electrons and
24:54
other things. So neutrinos are this really
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elusive particle, but that is created by the sun.
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It's created by, you know, supernova and so
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forth. And we're bombarded. You know, we, we have
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neutrinos flowing through us like thousands,
25:08
millions, you know, and, and, and they, they
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interact, but only through the weak force, which
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is one of the four quantum physics forces. And so
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it can interact with us, but it's very weakly
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interacting. And so one of this is one of the
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things that I was involved in researching in my
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PhD studies was in order to even detect a
25:36
neutrino, for example, we had this experiment
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that I was a part of called the Sudbury Neutrino
25:43
Observatory. And we had to go a mile underground
25:46
and a mile through the drift of a mine, and so a
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mile through these tunnels, and then there was
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this big container, almost like a reservoir, but
26:01
it was round, it was spherical, and inside that,
26:05
they had heavy water. So they had a thousand tons
26:08
of heavy water inside this big container, and it
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was ultra pure, right? And then they had all
26:13
these photo multiplier tubes around it. So that
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basically when a neutrino came in and it hit the
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heavy water, it would interact more so than with
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regular water because there's an extra, you know,
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it's a deuterium, extra neutrons in there. And it
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would kick out a neutron from the, from the heavy
26:35
water. And then that neutron was what they called
26:37
the neutral signal. And then we had to detect
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that with other form of detection, but it would
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also create these Cherenkov rings. So anyway, so
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this is how we were measuring whether one, if
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there's multiple types of neutrinos, which there
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were, there's three different types of neutrinos.
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And just like there's three different types of
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what they call leptons, like electrons are one
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form of lepton, there's also muons and taunts,
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and these are part of the standard model of
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quantum physics. And then there's a neutrino that
27:10
matches each of those families. And then they
27:17
were also trying to detect whether it had mass or
27:20
not, whether it had a minuscule amount of mass or
27:22
no mass, and whether they could oscillate. They
27:26
did find that an electron neutrino can oscillate
27:29
to a muon and a taun. And it's not until it's
27:32
measured that we actually collapse the waveform,
27:35
if you will, to see which type it is. So there
27:39
was a lot of fascinating, fascinating things
27:41
about it.
27:43
Meredith Oke: In the, the academic model or the classic physics
27:47
model that you were working in, was there a
27:51
hypothesis or a theory as to whether neutrinos
27:54
serve some sort of purpose? And then I'd be
27:57
curious if you have your own esoteric thoughts on
28:02
them.
28:03
Theresa Bullard: So in the classical, or in the standard, I should
28:07
say, standard physics model, the purpose is
28:10
they're carriers of energy, right? That, that
28:13
they just help carry away certain energy from
28:15
different reactions that happen or interactions
28:19
that happen at a, at a nuclear level. Not nuclear
28:23
physics necessarily, like in the sense of fusion
28:26
or fission. It's not about fission so much. It's
28:29
about fusion, but they carry energy. But I would
28:33
also say if they carry energy, they carry
28:35
information, right? Because information is a. In
28:40
quantum physics, the more you look at it, the
28:42
more you, you start to realize that even more
28:46
fundamental than energy, you know, because like
28:49
Einstein's whole thing was that everything is
28:52
energy, right? Mass and energy are equivalent,
28:54
essentially. But in a quantum physics model, it's
28:57
Actually, everything is information. And
29:00
information. Then from information emerges things
29:03
like mass or energy or charge and so forth. So
29:07
the more fundamental building block of the
29:11
universe is information. And so then if we were
29:15
to shift to an esoteric kind of perspective, a
29:20
more spiritual perspective, there's. I'm still
29:24
kind of personally trying to wrap my head around
29:27
it, but there are some, both scientists and
29:33
metaphysicians that I have met who believe that
29:37
neutrinos are something that are attracted to our
29:42
consciousness and that they. They carry
29:46
information and that we can draw. Like, if you're
29:48
meditating, you're coming into a more and more
29:50
coherent state of being that you can draw more
29:53
neutrinos to you. And. And then there's another
29:57
particle that are theorizing called. That's even
29:59
smaller than a neutrino called the ignaton. Ignis
30:03
like. Like being the Latin word for fire. And
30:06
they, they think it's like the secret fire. And
30:08
that this also comes, like, from the sun and. And
30:10
so forth. And so they believe. And. And this is
30:15
something that is being presented even on Gaia
30:18
now. They're. They had a little bit of it in
30:21
their ancient civilizations. The most recent
30:26
season six, and in some of the later episodes,
30:30
the last couple episodes, they. They talked a bit
30:32
about it. And it's. So the, the idea is that the
30:36
more coherent our consciousness becomes, the more
30:39
we can attract both neutrinos and ignatons to us.
30:43
And this then starts to amplify what we call the
30:47
light body. And it. And it. You know, eventually
30:50
there's certain ancient spiritual teachings that
30:53
talk about, like, the rainbow body, the light
30:55
body, the ascension body. And through various
30:58
spiritual practices, it's like you're
31:00
accumulating these extra particles, your field,
31:05
or maybe it's not really about the particles so
31:08
much. I think they stream through us, but the
31:10
information becomes more and more part of us. So.
31:14
So this is. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Okay.
31:19
Meredith Oke: I'm going to take a second to process all that.
31:22
Wow, that's really cool. And it's. Yeah. What's
31:29
really, you know, it's just all resonating so
31:33
much. So, as I said before, we talk a lot about
31:35
biophotons and this sort of, you know, standard
31:40
scientific consensus is becoming that circadian
31:44
rhythms are extremely important to overall health
31:47
in every capacity. And every time a new paper
31:50
comes out, it's like, oh, my goodness, artificial
31:52
light at night leads to all these terrible
31:55
things. And oh, my goodness, sunlight exposure is
31:57
so much more important than we ever thought. And
32:01
so there's that, you know, and I have lots of,
32:04
like, somewhat mainstream doctors who. Who come
32:08
on and talk about the importance of sunlight to
32:10
health. And then you have the people who, you
32:14
know, who are more in our crew, who have, like,
32:16
this subatomic understanding. They're like, well,
32:18
because light is information and it's coding into
32:20
our. Those biophotons are our information that
32:24
our body needs to function. And so now we're
32:27
going even beyond. Because it always seems to
32:31
come back to being. Being outside and having. Not
32:36
in like a necessarily sunbathing way, although
32:38
that's great too. But being connected to natural
32:42
light as a. As a source of health and coherence.
32:49
Theresa Bullard: I think it would be nature in general. I mean,
32:51
all four elements. Right. So having. Having the.
32:55
I mean, even just being around running water,
32:57
Right. We know that running water creates a bit
33:00
of an ionic field around it and. And that can
33:04
charge up our own field as well. Being earthed.
33:09
Right. Grounding and like, walking barefooted on
33:12
the earth, breathing in, obviously, clean air.
33:16
Right. And having that air that's circulating
33:18
versus air that's stagnant. And yes, of course,
33:21
the sun and receiving the light, that stimulation
33:25
of the, you know, pineal and pituitary and so
33:29
forth that really rely on the light and vitamin
33:33
D, you know, all of it. We know that all of these
33:35
elements, you know, ancient wisdom teachings, you
33:38
always talked about the four elements and how we
33:41
need them to be in balance in our life and that
33:45
we needed to be connected with all four of them
33:47
to have health. And, you know, so we might have.
33:52
Might today, in our scientific way of thinking
33:54
about things, say, well, the four elements, you
33:56
know, they're not really the four elements.
33:58
They're not the most basic. Right. We know more
34:00
about them now, but it's still like, from a human
34:04
perspective and from our experience, it's still
34:07
very much a fundamental need. You know, we need
34:12
these to thrive. And so I wouldn't discount the
34:16
importance of the four elements in our lives and
34:18
having them in a natural way.
34:22
Meredith Oke: Yes, absolutely. The grounding is important. And
34:26
the trees are giving off information and
34:28
reflecting light. Yeah, there's all of the pieces
34:31
of it, for sure, because we were talking about
34:36
the neutrinos and all of these, you know, all of
34:40
this information that's coming down. Okay, so. So
34:44
we've talked a lot. You've talked a lot about the
34:47
word coherence and in the, you know, the
34:52
neutrino, the metaphysical idea of neutrinos. So
34:56
they're coming. They're coming through us at all
35:00
Times they have information. Are you saying that
35:03
we are more or less available to that information
35:07
depending on our own personal coherence? And what
35:12
do you mean by that word?
35:14
Theresa Bullard: Okay, so let's start with what do we mean by
35:16
coherence, first of all? So coherence means that
35:21
things are aligned. Think of a laser, right.
35:27
Versus thinking of an incandescent light bulb,
35:30
right? So in an incandescent light, you just have
35:32
light sort of scattering, and it's a broad
35:36
spectrum of frequencies that come out from that
35:40
particular light bulb. But when you have an LED
35:43
light or a laser light, it's a specific
35:47
frequency. So everything is tuned to one
35:49
frequency. Everything is the. Their waveforms are
35:54
perfectly aligned with each other. So they're in
35:57
phase with each other and they're all moving in
36:00
the same direction. So rather than being
36:01
scattered in multiple directions, they're all
36:03
moving in a laser like fashion, all in one
36:06
direction. So coherence is about really like
36:12
having that laser focus. Now, from a, from a
36:15
quantum perspective, for example, we know that if
36:20
I, in order to like excite an electron from one
36:24
orbit to another orbit, it takes a very specific
36:27
amount of energy. So photon would need to come
36:30
in, or, you know, whichever. So we'll just say
36:33
with the photon, a photon needs to come in and it
36:36
has to have a very specific energy. And then it
36:39
can excite that electron up to a higher orbital
36:42
state, higher frequency state, if you will. And,
36:47
and then when that electron ultimately de.
36:51
Excites and comes back to its ground state, it
36:53
will release a photon of the exact same
36:56
frequency. And if you bring in any other
36:59
frequency of light, it's not going to, it's like
37:03
it won't be enough if it's too low. And if it's
37:05
too much, it might, it might actually kick it
37:08
out, right? So like X rays, for example, when we
37:11
get an X ray, we want to minimize our exposure to
37:14
X rays because X rays actually kick out electrons
37:17
out of the, out of their atoms completely. And
37:20
that's how we then, you know, do the imaging. So,
37:24
and you know, and then we have gamma rays come in
37:26
from galactic sources. We have UV light, right?
37:31
These are all different frequencies of photons
37:34
and light. So coherence is really important. And
37:40
in quantum physics, as I mentioned, if you have,
37:44
for example, there's something called a Bose
37:46
Einstein condensate, which is where you have a
37:48
lot of particles or a lot of atoms come together,
37:51
but then they're cooled down to a lower energy
37:55
state. But in this process they end up getting
37:58
kind of rearranging themselves and connecting
38:03
together in a way that they almost become like
38:05
one particle and they behave as one unit. The
38:10
more they align themselves, the more it's
38:13
becoming this new state of matter that they call
38:15
the Bose, Einstein condensate. This coherence. In
38:20
order to have quantum effects at a macroscopic
38:25
level, you have to have more and more coherence
38:27
of the various parts, the various pieces coming
38:30
together and acting as one. So, so this is super
38:35
important. I mean, every, in every way that you
38:37
look at quantum physics, coherence plays a role.
38:41
Now when we talk about it at a biological level,
38:44
we can talk about having coherence of our brain
38:47
waves, right? You can synchronize the, the
38:50
hemispheres. You can have like more of a,
38:54
everything kind of coming into a particular
38:56
frequency range. And we know from neuroscience
39:01
now that different frequency ranges of brain
39:04
waves will relate to different states of
39:06
consciousness. Not that the brain necessarily
39:09
creates the state of consciousness, but it
39:11
correlates with. And we can also talk about heart
39:15
coherence, right? So your heartbeat and you have
39:19
variability in that, that heart rate. And when
39:22
there's more coherence and it's consistent and
39:26
not so erratic, then you're going to be in a more
39:31
healing oriented state within your body. Usually
39:34
that comes from being in gratitude, being in a
39:37
place of appreciation, a place of joy and so
39:41
forth. And so this creates a more holistic state.
39:45
You can take this idea of coherence to your gut,
39:48
right? When your microbiome is coherent, like
39:51
you're, you're, they're all synergistically
39:54
working together because you have a healthy gut
39:57
microbiome versus an unhealthy, you know,
40:00
imbalance of bad bacteria. That's where you get
40:03
disease and issues, digestive issues which then
40:06
lead to, you know, other diseases. So coherence
40:10
can, you know, is something we can talk about at
40:12
every, every scale, every level of our being. And
40:14
the more we're coherent, the more we are going to
40:18
be healthy, we're going to thrive, but we're also
40:20
going to be able to inform the quantum field, if
40:25
you will. So I believe that consciousness as we
40:29
can bring our consciousness to a state of
40:32
coherence, meaning quiet down that monkey mind
40:38
instead of having all this distraction and
40:41
frantic energy and whatnot that we tend to be
40:44
exposed to in our modern, you know, world, and
40:46
especially in the urban sort of living, you're,
40:50
you get a lot of exposure to static. And in that
40:54
static, it's like you can't really have a clear
40:59
information that you're putting into the Quantum
41:03
field. Right. Because it's going to have a lot of
41:05
conflict and noise and all of that. Whereas if we
41:09
really want to make a difference in that quantum
41:11
realm, we have to have coherence going in. And so
41:14
you have to kind of bring yourself to that
41:16
stillness and silence within, but then also
41:19
single pointed focus of what are you trying to
41:22
inform and plant into the quantum field that
41:27
you're then hoping it will give you back. So
41:30
there is a way to communicate, I believe, using
41:33
consciousness. And that's really what we do in.
41:37
In the work that we're doing with the Quantum
41:39
Learning Academy is very much about training
41:41
people how to understand what is a quantum
41:43
mindset. Mindset. But then how to access what we
41:46
call a quantum coherent state of being at
41:49
multiple levels and making sure that we're first
41:52
accessing that proper state so that we can really
41:55
then communicate with that quantum realm and then
42:01
use it ultimately to support our innovation, to
42:06
support our manifestation, to create the kind of
42:09
life we really want to be living.
42:12
Meredith Oke: That's beautiful. A beautiful explanation. And do
42:18
you find that this coherence is affected by being
42:23
around in groups.
42:26
Theresa Bullard: Yeah.
42:27
Meredith Oke: Other people on the same path, or in certain
42:29
cases, not depending, you know, on being on the
42:33
subway versus, you know, being in a. In the
42:37
meeting where everyone's focused on the same
42:38
thing.
42:39
Theresa Bullard: Yeah. Yeah. So there's this concept in science of
42:43
entrainment. And it really. You can apply this
42:47
concept of entrainment to any vibrating system.
42:51
And pretty much everything is a vibrating system.
42:53
Everything vibrates. So, you know, when it comes
42:57
to people, when you get a group of people
43:02
together, they can entrain, but who are they
43:05
going to entrain to? Right. Are they going to
43:07
entrain to the person who's holding the high
43:10
vibes or the person who's holding the low vibes?
43:12
Right. And there's. There is some choice in that.
43:16
But just to kind of keep it simple, if you
43:19
imagine you have two tuning forks, if you strike
43:23
a tuning fork and that tuning fork vibrates then
43:26
at a. At a particular frequency, if you bring it
43:29
within proximity of another tuning fork that's
43:33
not yet vibrating, but has the capacity, has the
43:35
same ability to vibrate at that same frequency.
43:39
And if you just hold them near each other, at
43:41
some point, this other tuning fork will start to
43:44
vibrate with it. It'll entrain. And so I think
43:48
entrainment really takes effect when you're
43:51
physically exposed to vibrational frequencies.
43:57
And this is where like even the whole concept of
44:00
binaural beat brainwave entrainment, you know, is
44:02
when you wear the headphones and you have one
44:04
frequency coming in one ear and another frequency
44:07
coming in another ear, and maybe they're a little
44:10
bit different. Right brain hears one, left brain
44:13
hears a different. And they're trying to kind of
44:15
find agreement into what they're hearing. It's a
44:18
way to kind of trick the brain into synchronizing
44:21
the. The hemispheres, because over the corpus
44:23
callosum, they have to combine the signals. And
44:26
actually inside the brain, you get a third
44:28
signal, which is the difference between them. And
44:31
they call that the binaural beat. And then you
44:33
can kind of tune that beat frequency in to the
44:37
specific brainwave levels that you want to
44:39
entrain the brain to. So that's one way to do it
44:43
with sound. But, you know, and like, a lot of the
44:46
sound baths are really popular these days. And,
44:49
you know, when people are in a sound bath, you
44:51
know that they're using the gongs and the bowls
44:55
and the, you know, the chimes and whatnot as a
44:58
way to. To create a vibratory. A harmonic
45:02
vibratory environment around you, which then will
45:06
impact the cells of your body, it'll impact the
45:09
ears and nervous system. Everything will receive
45:12
that vibration and be entrained into it. Because
45:17
we are. We are multivibrational. We have the
45:20
capacity to vibrate at many different levels
45:23
based on, you know, which level of your being
45:26
you're looking at. And so when a group of people
45:29
get together, who people tend to entrain to, I
45:35
think often really depends on who's got the
45:37
strongest will. And they're, you know, kind of
45:41
the. They're either the big personality, you
45:47
know, or the one that everyone kind of finds some
45:50
sense of rapport to. Or, you know, you might have
45:53
two different people who have. Who are a strong
45:55
resonator. And then from there, somebody. It's
45:59
like, what are they choosing to engage in? Are
46:02
they choosing to engage in the positive? Are they
46:04
choosing to engage in the negative and the drama,
46:07
for example? And then they'll kind of gravitate
46:10
towards who they want to be resonating with. But,
46:14
yeah, you can definitely get amplified effects as
46:16
well when you have a group of intentional people
46:19
all come together. And, you know, this has been
46:22
shown by some of the work of Lynn McTaggart, for
46:24
example, with her intention experiments is, you
46:28
know, you. You bring a group of people together
46:29
and they're all focused on the same. The same
46:33
kind of process and the same objective or serve
46:37
ultimately service to bring some healing to
46:40
somebody else. And that it amplifies the Field,
46:45
it amplifies the effect when you have many people
46:48
coming together and focusing on the same thing.
46:53
Meredith Oke: Interesting. Yes. I just, I think about that
46:58
because, you know, the work that I'm doing, we're
47:01
all doing together. So much of it is virtual. And
47:04
I've been feeling lately that it would be really
47:08
for the next level. People need to see each other
47:11
in person and have that. That in person coherence
47:15
and entrainment happening. And I'm excited to see
47:19
what everyone. What breakthroughs people have and
47:21
what ideas they come up with when they are in
47:24
each other's physical presence.
47:26
Theresa Bullard: Yeah. You know, I think that there's a lot more
47:30
people these days who are doing these intention
47:32
experiments remotely. Right. And it's. They're
47:35
coordinating in time and maybe not in the same
47:39
space, but in the same time. And yet they're
47:41
linked through the Internet. And I think that
47:44
through the morphic field idea, the morphogenetic
47:48
and sort of the entanglement of consciousness, I
47:51
think we could tune into a unified field.
47:54
However, I would say that when you get together
47:56
in person, you have a much more immediate and
47:58
direct impact on the physical. So in person, work
48:02
is always going to have an amplified effect
48:06
versus trying to do everything remotely. And I do
48:10
think that we need that contact. Like, humans are
48:13
social creatures, right. We're. We're going to be
48:16
thriving more when we have that social
48:18
connection, not just through technology, but
48:24
through touch and through actual sharing of auric
48:28
space. You know, that we're in each other's
48:30
fields and there's a much more immediate ability
48:35
to entrain and cohere with each other when we're
48:39
together in person.
48:40
Meredith Oke: Right. Yeah. I've really noticed that we moved
48:45
around a lot, especially during and after Covid
48:49
and I just locked into my people because I had.
48:53
My people were online and that's where they were.
48:55
And I recently. Where we've been where this is
48:59
our third year here and I went and joined a
49:01
committee at. In the children's school district.
49:03
And my husband was like, are you really sure you
49:06
want to do that? You're kind of busy. And I was
49:08
like, I need to go to a meeting with. With human
49:13
beings who are in the same room with me. Even if
49:15
we're gonna if to talk about, you know,
49:19
fundraising for. For the school party, I don't
49:23
care what the top like, I mean, that is
49:25
meaningful to me. So if I do care. But it was
49:28
just what you're saying. I just had this deep
49:31
need after so much virtual work to be with human
49:38
beings at the same time and just work on
49:41
something together.
49:42
Theresa Bullard: Yeah. You know, I remember during COVID seeing a
49:45
video that I think just captured the whole
49:49
importance of physical contact is. I mean,
49:54
people, number one. We know how many people were
49:56
having like mental health issues and depression
49:59
and so forth come because they, even if they
50:01
could get online interaction, they couldn't get
50:03
in person interaction and they were really
50:05
isolated. But there was this one video of these
50:07
kids who were like, you know, kids that were best
50:11
friends and they were really young, like under 8
50:13
years old, and, and they couldn't be with each
50:17
other and they couldn't hang out. They could talk
50:18
to each other over zoom, maybe during COVID but
50:20
it was like once some of the restrictions started
50:23
to reduce and they were able to get the kids
50:26
together for the first time, the kids like came
50:29
together and they hugged and they started crying
50:31
and crying and crying. You know, they're just. It
50:34
was so healing for them to be able to connect
50:36
again in person. Right. So we need that, we need
50:39
that contact and we need physical. To hold
50:43
physical space with each other. And I think
50:45
that's super important for us to not lose touch
50:47
with.
50:48
Meredith Oke: Yeah, yeah. Oh, what a beautiful story. Yeah, we
50:51
really do. And when we're, when we're grown ups,
50:54
we're like, oh, no, I'm fine. I've got all this
50:56
happening and skip over, skip over things here
50:59
and there. Okay. I want to just touch on before
51:05
we, we wrap the idea of alchemy, because one of
51:10
the things that I real appreciate about your
51:15
work, I appreciate you, the clarity of your
51:19
communication. I found I find you to be very
51:21
grounded. Even when you're talking about
51:23
extremely high level metaphysical stuff. There's
51:27
a groundedness. But also, and this is like so
51:31
dear to my heart, it's very practical. I find
51:35
whenever I listen to you or watch one of your
51:38
shows or one of your teachings, it always comes
51:41
back to like, okay, so what does this mean in
51:43
life? And you have a beautiful book where you
51:48
have taken some of the concepts of alchemy. We
51:51
don't have to go through all of them, but use
51:55
them as a template for our own personal change,
51:57
for organizational change, for societal change. I
52:01
just wanted to touch on that briefly because
52:04
again, it's a concept that is super esoteric to
52:08
most people. I would say this audience probably
52:11
would have some nodding acquaintance with alchemy
52:17
in a positive way. But you have a deep
52:21
understanding of it and also a very practical
52:23
application. So just quickly tell us how you see
52:26
alchemy and what that concept means through
52:31
physics. And through personal, organizational,
52:34
societal change.
52:36
Theresa Bullard: Yeah. So in my book, it's called the Game
52:39
Changers, Social alchemists in the 21st century.
52:42
And it's is. It's a easily digestible book. But,
52:46
you know, so it's not huge. It's. It's small, but
52:49
it's packed with, like, just the essence. And,
52:52
and it's. I love it because it's like, okay, yes,
52:55
there's alchemy from the scientific perspective.
52:58
And, and here's, you know, like my, My first
53:02
exposure to alchemy. I had. I was well into my
53:04
PhD studies at that point in physics, and I've
53:08
been very much programmed with the mindset of
53:11
alchemy. Well, that's just pseudoscience and, you
53:14
know, the Middle Ages trying to turn lead into
53:16
gold. And we know that's not possible. And, you
53:18
know, this is my mindset around alchemy. When,
53:21
When I first started getting exposed to it, I was
53:24
really searching for practical ways to bridge
53:28
science and spirituality. And, you know, I
53:31
thought, well, there's some great philosophy
53:33
around Eastern mysticism, for example, like the
53:36
Taoism or Buddhism, like these philosophies with
53:41
quantum physics. And it's. It's all great, but
53:43
it's just theoretical or hypothetical. You know,
53:46
it's just philosophical, and it's not grounded.
53:48
It's not applied. And so I knew that if we wanted
53:51
to bring it into more applicability and
53:55
tangibility and. And really, you know, move the
53:58
field forward, if you will, of bridging signs and
54:01
spirituality, we had to make it more practical.
54:04
And so I was searching for that. And then alchemy
54:08
just kept kind of being presented to me. And
54:11
every. Like, there's at least three times where
54:13
it came up. And I just said, oh, no, I'm a real
54:14
scientist. I don't have anything to learn from
54:16
alchemists. But it just kept coming up, and it
54:19
kept coming up. So the universe was just like,
54:21
really giving me.
54:22
Meredith Oke: All right, all right.
54:23
Theresa Bullard: Lots of messages. And so I knew enough to, okay,
54:26
I'm going to listen to the universe and just
54:28
like, empty my cup for a moment and suspend my.
54:32
My skepticism about it, and I'm going to read a
54:34
book. And as I started reading about it, I
54:37
realized that the true gold of alchemy is the
54:40
wisdom itself. That it's not just about trying to
54:43
turn lead into gold, as we were sort of taught in
54:47
our science history classes, but that there is a
54:52
wisdom of the process of transformation. And it's
54:56
basically at its most fundamental level, it's how
54:59
to take Any. Any substance, any being, any, you
55:04
know, whether it's an herb or you or a mineral,
55:09
and take it from a raw state to a more purified
55:14
and perfected state. And so it's this process of
55:19
transformation, and there's these stages that we
55:21
go through to get from that raw material to that
55:27
perfected material. And. And these principles are
55:31
universal. It's not really about our psychology.
55:34
It's not about our belief system. It's not about,
55:37
you know, what we think about it. It's about.
55:40
This is just what happens. Even. There's even
55:43
alchemy at a cosmic level. You know, like how we
55:46
go from just like space dust to star formation.
55:50
You know, there's an alchemy at work that happens
55:53
there as well. And so in my book, I talk about
55:57
there's these seven stages of alchemy. I think it
56:00
would take a bit too long to go through all seven
56:02
stages of it right now. But the basic formula is
56:05
this process of separating out the parts and
56:10
purifying them. And then once they're purified,
56:14
we bring them back together in a more synergistic
56:18
way by recombining, and then we'll go through
56:22
another round of separating again, purifying
56:25
again, elevating, and kind of raising their
56:28
vibration and then bringing them back together
56:30
and finding, you know, that perfect balance and
56:35
combination of those elements. And they talk
56:38
about what are called the three essentials in
56:41
alchemy. There's the physical material itself.
56:45
They call that the body. There's the
56:49
consciousness, the unique sort of attributes and
56:54
qualities, the characteristics. They call that
56:57
more the soul. And then there's what they call
57:00
the spirit, which is the essence that makes it
57:02
alive. But at that, spirit is kind of more
57:06
universal. And so they. They always talk about
57:10
these three essentials. And there's different
57:13
forms of alchemy out there. You can see it in
57:17
Chinese medicine. You can see it in Ayurvedic
57:20
medicine. You can. You have the Western system.
57:24
There's multiple approaches to alchemy. It goes
57:27
all the way back to ancient Egypt, probably even
57:29
goes back further than ancient Egypt. And it is.
57:33
Meredith Oke: It.
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Theresa Bullard: You know, the more I started to learn about it,
57:36
the more I was like, wow, this is what's
57:38
happening in. Even in our personal growth, right?
57:42
And. And also, like, wait a second. Science came
57:45
out of alchemy, like, before we were. We called
57:48
ourselves scientists, we called ourselves
57:50
alchemists. And in the alchemists, like, they did
57:54
not separate the spirit or the soul from the
57:57
body. They saw it all as really essential, all
58:01
three of them. Whereas materialist scientists
58:04
kind of started separating out the mind and the
58:07
soul and the spirit and said, that's for the
58:09
realm of religion. We're going to just focus on
58:11
the material part of it. We're going to focus on
58:13
the body, the chemistry, and the bottom line. But
58:18
all of our modern medicine, our modern
58:20
pharmacology, also herbal medicine and
58:24
homeopathic approaches, and all of these fields
58:27
came out of alchemy. So to me, I see it as a
58:30
perfect place to. If we want to reconnect science
58:33
and spirituality, we got to go back to its roots,
58:35
which is the alchemical tradition. And I like to
58:39
apply it to our personal growth. So as we are
58:44
evolving our own consciousness, our own soul, and
58:49
we're going through various stages of growth, we
58:51
go through these same seven stages. A bit of
58:54
breakdown, a bit of, you know, kind of emotional,
58:58
like, not sure what to make of all of this. And
59:00
then we get back to clarity, and then we find our
59:03
new self. And then we, you know, we go through.
59:06
Sometimes we might have to root out deeper
59:08
impurities and go through a little bit of a dark
59:11
night and let go of attachments. But then
59:13
ultimately we break through and we come into
59:16
higher and higher practices. But what you'll find
59:19
in the higher steps, like the later steps of the
59:22
alchemical process, most of the first four steps
59:26
kind of will happen naturally if you're even
59:29
somewhat applying yourself. But the final three
59:32
steps really require a lot more personal
59:34
attention, will patience and knowledge and higher
59:40
keys or wisdom of how to move those steps forward
59:44
successfully. And often what people get to is
59:48
they get to that point where they're starting to
59:50
feel good again after they've been through a
59:51
transformational sort of phase. They get to the
59:55
point where they feel good again, and they get
59:56
back in their comfort zone. And then they don't
1:00:00
actually complete all the way through. So I feel
1:00:03
that when you know the alchemical steps, it
1:00:05
really gives you a roadmap to. To keep moving
1:00:08
through all the stages so that you can perfect it
1:00:12
and stabilize it and integrate it rather than
1:00:14
kind of backsliding again. And then we can apply
1:00:17
this not only to ourselves, but we can apply this
1:00:19
to the world, to human collective consciousness
1:00:22
and our societal transformations that we're going
1:00:27
through right now. And these are some of the
1:00:28
things that I cover in the book as well.
1:00:33
Meredith Oke: Yes. And that.
1:00:34
Theresa Bullard: That's.
1:00:35
Meredith Oke: I found, as I was saying, I found super helpful.
1:00:37
And I do remember that part where. Because you
1:00:40
have to remember how. How many stages there are,
1:00:43
and you have a breakthrough and especially, you
1:00:46
know, if someone's been unwell and they get, they
1:00:49
get better and, and then you, you feel unwell
1:00:54
again and it's like you've, it's, or you fall off
1:00:58
or the problem comes back and, and I remember
1:01:01
there's a part in the book and you're like, no,
1:01:03
wait, you're not finished. There's still more
1:01:06
stages. Don't give up yet. Like that first, it's
1:01:11
almost like that first breakthrough is really the
1:01:13
beginning.
1:01:14
Theresa Bullard: Yeah, yeah, it's the midpoint. But it's sort of
1:01:19
like when you're climbing a mountain and you get
1:01:21
to base camp, you know, you get to this sort of
1:01:26
halfway point and then you look and you're like,
1:01:27
oh, I've still got all that mountain to climb.
1:01:30
You know, it really takes more determination and
1:01:33
discipline and dedication to getting all the way
1:01:35
through. But it's really rewarding when you do.
1:01:38
You'll have huge sense of accomplishment and
1:01:40
victory when you, when you do it. And you know,
1:01:43
you can just look at, for example, I mean, just
1:01:45
look at Covid by itself and the travel industry
1:01:48
and what the travel industry had to go through
1:01:50
when Covid hit, right. I mean, the rug got pulled
1:01:53
out from under it. The whole thing was shut down.
1:01:56
Right. It was a real like, like massive wake up
1:01:58
call. And, and, and so then they had to start
1:02:03
looking at, okay, what are our practices? How,
1:02:05
you know, how do we sanitize more, how do we make
1:02:07
sure everything's clean, how do we make it safe
1:02:09
again for travelers? Otherwise we're going to
1:02:11
lose the whole industry of travel. And as we
1:02:15
started to open up again, you know, there was all
1:02:17
these protocols that they were doing. You know,
1:02:19
they give you these sanitizing wipes. They, they
1:02:21
sanitized and cleaned all the seats. Seats and
1:02:23
all the tray tables and everything. And you know,
1:02:26
the, the, the airports had never been so clean as
1:02:31
that time and everyone was having to wear masks
1:02:33
and, you know, kind of be more mindful of the
1:02:36
impact that you have on other people that you're
1:02:38
sharing this space with. And, and where are they
1:02:42
at today? Right? What did they learn from that
1:02:45
experience and how much of, of those good
1:02:49
practices to clean up did have they maintained.
1:02:53
Right. And I mean, I travel a lot and I would say
1:02:55
they've backslid back to how it was before. And I
1:03:00
really hope that we don't have to repeat that
1:03:02
lesson again. Please know, I know maybe next time
1:03:09
we'll be able to get to it faster and you know,
1:03:11
pick it up faster. But it's Just, it's an example
1:03:15
of getting to that midpoint and you get
1:03:18
comfortable again and things kind of go back to
1:03:20
what seems normal. But, okay, now we're past the
1:03:23
hard part of it. And then you just sort of go
1:03:26
into that comfort zone and stop doing all the
1:03:28
extra good practices. But that's where the
1:03:31
backslide then starts to happen. So it's like we
1:03:33
have to continue and integrate those. Those good
1:03:37
practices and make them a way of life rather than
1:03:40
just, you know, kind of letting go of the good
1:03:42
practice.
1:03:44
Meredith Oke: Right. All the things that we did to start to
1:03:47
feel better or lose weight or not be depressed,
1:03:54
we have to keep them. They have to become the way
1:03:58
of life, not just a temporary solution to the
1:04:00
problem.
1:04:00
Theresa Bullard: Right.
1:04:01
Meredith Oke: For a true alchemical change to occur.
1:04:04
Theresa Bullard: Right. So we conquer our first nature, which is
1:04:08
sort of falling into the comfort zone and, you
1:04:12
know, that sort of laziness of the animal self.
1:04:15
And you gotta conquer that and, you know, apply
1:04:19
more the discipline and the good practices,
1:04:22
whether it's meditation, exercise, eating. Well,
1:04:25
sticking to it, rather than just going on this
1:04:27
crash course and then. And then dropping it all
1:04:30
together. We have to create those little
1:04:32
adjustments that become a way of life, and then
1:04:34
you just maintain it. Then you build a new
1:04:37
platform. Platform upon which you can rise
1:04:38
higher, but it's got to be integrated into your.
1:04:42
Your way of life for sure.
1:04:45
Meredith Oke: And where do you see that we are as a collective
1:04:50
through that lens?
1:04:52
Theresa Bullard: Well, I have seen over the last. Since at least
1:05:00
2016, maybe earlier, but yeah, 2016, we. I felt
1:05:08
like we started going into a dark night of the
1:05:09
soul of. At least in the Western world, but
1:05:14
that's actually the fifth stage. So while it
1:05:17
seemed really dark and. And kind of fearful,
1:05:21
there was a lot of fear that we've been.
1:05:22
Humanity's been facing over the last many years.
1:05:28
There has actually been some forward movement
1:05:31
from an alchemical perspective. So it's. It's
1:05:35
the. This fifth stage, we call it the
1:05:37
fermentation stage. It's, you know, I like to use
1:05:41
the analogy of the butterfly, the caterpillar
1:05:43
becoming the butterfly, the metamorphosis. And I
1:05:45
do explain this in the book, but essentially,
1:05:48
caterpillar, as it goes into its chrysalis, it
1:05:51
completely breaks down into this soupy mess. And,
1:05:55
you know, so there's the breakdown of the old
1:05:57
system, but that old system kind of had lived out
1:06:01
its time. And there's a new. There's a trigger
1:06:04
inside the DNA saying, no, you have to evolve or
1:06:07
transform metamorph into this more beautiful
1:06:10
thing. But to go through that transformation,
1:06:13
that metamorphosis, we have to go through this
1:06:16
soupy mess. And there's this place where certain
1:06:22
old cells attack the new cells and then the new
1:06:25
cells have to kind of bond together and form,
1:06:28
stre, find strength in numbers. And then they got
1:06:31
to diversify and then eventually that new
1:06:34
structure starts to come through. So I see, for
1:06:37
example, in the world right now there's a lot of
1:06:39
new paradigm systems that are trying to move
1:06:42
forward and emerge. I mean, whether you're
1:06:45
talking like, just from the tech perspective,
1:06:48
you've got AI, you've got quantum computing
1:06:51
starting to come forward, we've got all these
1:06:54
wearables and stuff. From medical perspective,
1:06:58
there's a lot of innovation happening in
1:06:59
medicine. You've got blockchain. I mean, there's
1:07:03
so many different new, new paradigm ways of
1:07:08
approaching things that are starting to come in,
1:07:10
but they're, they're fighting against the old
1:07:13
system because they're a threat to the old
1:07:15
system. In a way. It's like, well, if we do it
1:07:17
that way, you know, then this old way loses
1:07:19
control. And so we're sort of in that struggle
1:07:22
still. But I think that we're starting to make a
1:07:25
breakthrough. It's, it's almost like that point
1:07:27
where the butterfly is formed inside the
1:07:31
chrysalis and then the chrysalis starts to break
1:07:33
open and light shines into the darkness and you
1:07:37
can, you can start to see that, oh, there's this
1:07:39
new form that's emerging, but it has to kind of
1:07:42
struggle its way out of the chrysalis. And, and,
1:07:46
and you know, if you were to go and see a
1:07:48
butterfly trying to struggle out of its it's
1:07:51
cocoon or it's chrysalis, and you were to like
1:07:53
feel sorry for it and try to intervene and help
1:07:55
it out, it wouldn't get strong enough to be able
1:07:58
to fly. So it has to struggle on its own to get
1:08:02
out of that chrysalis, because that is actually,
1:08:05
that struggle is what strengthens the structure
1:08:09
and the wings of this butterfly so that it can
1:08:11
actually, you know, take flight down the line.
1:08:14
And, and even when it gets out of that struggle,
1:08:18
it's going to need a little bit of time to rest
1:08:22
and dry off and kind of regather itself before it
1:08:27
finally can take flight. So we're kind of in that
1:08:29
stage where we're struggling out of the
1:08:31
chrysalis. There's this new paradigm coming in.
1:08:33
There's still a struggle with the old paradigm,
1:08:36
but we have to go through the struggle and it's
1:08:38
not easy, but we're moving more and more into the
1:08:42
light and out of that dark stage. Out, I think.
1:08:44
So I think we're in this transition at the
1:08:46
moment. If you read my book, we're in this
1:08:48
transition between the fermentation and the
1:08:50
distillation stage. But here is where we really
1:08:55
need to be conscious and intentional and
1:08:59
proactive and disciplined with how we continue to
1:09:04
move the process forward. Because if we don't
1:09:06
participate with it, it will kind of backslide or
1:09:09
it won't. It won't integrate into a new way of
1:09:12
life. So we're at a really critical time on the
1:09:16
planet and in our modern world. And so I think
1:09:18
the people who really want to be part of that
1:09:22
solution and be part of the change, they need the
1:09:25
right knowledge. And that's why I love alchemy,
1:09:27
is because it kind of gives us that roadmap of,
1:09:29
okay, this struggle that we're going through is
1:09:31
actually worthwhile. It's part of the process.
1:09:37
And also, I think the new paradigm shift in
1:09:41
consciousness that needs to happen is also out of
1:09:44
this old Newtonian way of thinking and into a
1:09:46
more quantum way of thinking. And so that quantum
1:09:49
paradigm is something that we teach within the
1:09:52
Quantum Learning Academy. And we actually have a
1:09:55
program coming up in April in Reno, in Reno,
1:10:00
Nevada, where it's called Iquantum, where we'll
1:10:03
really take three days to dive deep into what are
1:10:06
these quantum principles, and how do they apply,
1:10:09
what do they mean, and how can we adapt it as a
1:10:12
mindset, and what does that do for us? And then
1:10:13
how do we actually achieve a quantum coherent
1:10:16
state? We have our meditation technique called
1:10:20
the Quantum meditation technique that we guide
1:10:23
people through to really learn how to achieve
1:10:25
that quantum coherent state, or what are the keys
1:10:28
to it. So very excited.
1:10:30
Meredith Oke: That sounds fun. I'm going to come.
1:10:33
Theresa Bullard: Yeah. Well, you can learn all about it at
1:10:35
quantumlearningacademy co.co.
1:10:39
Meredith Oke: Okay, so quantumlearningacademy co. Perfect. And
1:10:44
there's live events coming up. I'm sure there's
1:10:46
probably recorded material in there as well.
1:10:49
Theresa Bullard: Yeah. We also have a webinar coming up that will.
1:10:54
I think it's in early February that will be just
1:10:57
sort of a free webinar to help people kind of get
1:11:00
a sense of what is the I quantum event all about.
1:11:03
And. And, you know, a little bit more of what we
1:11:04
do. So that's coming up also. That's online.
1:11:07
Meredith Oke: Perfect. Well, Teresa, I'm so glad that you
1:11:11
followed your heart to leave academia. Their
1:11:14
loss. But your work is, it's the framework of it
1:11:19
is just such an important guide, especially right
1:11:21
now. I'm just, yeah, I've been communicating with
1:11:24
people lately. Just what you're saying. It's like
1:11:26
we gotta stay alive, people. This is the moment.
1:11:30
I don't know what's happening but, but, but we're
1:11:33
here for it. So thank you. Thank you so much for
1:11:35
being here and sharing your deep wisdom.
1:11:39
Theresa Bullard: Thank you.
1:11:39
Meredith Oke: Appreciate it.
1:11:40
Theresa Bullard: It's been a pleasure. Thank you.
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