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Introducing Killer Thriller · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody, Welcome to Amy and TJ Presents. But
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  Speaker 1: now we have something after the presents TJ Killer.
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  Speaker 2: Thriller, Killer Thriller. That sounds Is it too dramatic?
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  Speaker 3: I wondered if no, No, you don't think that Tyler's dramatic.
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  Speaker 2: You think so.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that's what we're talking about, Killer Thriller.
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  Speaker 1: And yes we have an aunt which is exciting because
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  Speaker 1: it's not just Amy and TJ Presents Killer Thriller. It's
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  Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Presents Killer Thriller with Alisa Donovan.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes, and a lot of people know that name
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  Speaker 3: and I don't know that history. But a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people haven't done what we have now been able to do,
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  Speaker 3: which is be stuck in LA traffic.
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  Speaker 2: Which is what we just did all the way here.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, was that not the best way to get to
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  Speaker 4: know each other.
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  Speaker 5: It was not that we wanted to have to do
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  Speaker 5: it again, but like it kind of was.
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  Speaker 1: We made the most of La traffic, one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that La is known for, but we turned it
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  Speaker 1: into lemonade.
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  Speaker 5: It's like we had fifteen different conversations and looked out
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  Speaker 5: the window.
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  Speaker 4: We were in the same place.
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  Speaker 1: We really go anywhere out of the car. Anyone who
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  Speaker 1: lives in La probably has experienced this as well.
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  Speaker 4: Even in New York.
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  Speaker 1: We've done this too, Get out of the cab because
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  Speaker 1: you aren't going anywhere, and we walked it, and we
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  Speaker 1: are so excited because we're talking about a new true
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  Speaker 1: crime podcast and you are obviously a well we're of
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  Speaker 1: a certain age. So the nineties you were everywhere. For
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  Speaker 1: those who need an introduction to Alisa Donovan. If you
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  Speaker 1: loved the movie Clueless, who didn't, you might remember her
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  Speaker 1: as Amber from Clueless. And also we were this was
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  Speaker 1: so funny Beverly Hills nine o two one zero. I
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  Speaker 1: was a huge fan and you played I love you
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  Speaker 1: played like the bad.
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  Speaker 5: Ginger Leah Monica, who sounds that it's like that, what
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  Speaker 5: is it when a word sounds like what it is?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that's close to that character.
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  Speaker 2: How close?
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  Speaker 5: When I did Tory and Jenny's podcast over there rewatching
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  Speaker 5: it and so they send me the episodes that I
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  Speaker 5: was like a little I'm a little embarrassed by my behavior.
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  Speaker 5: Like again, she really has like she had some balls attitude. No,
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  Speaker 5: I wish I had her confidence. I wish I had
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  Speaker 5: her confidence. I mean maybe on the inside in the car.
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  Speaker 2: Ride here, you seem to have that confidence I did.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that we got to?
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  Speaker 3: That is an interesting way in all Seriously, this is
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  Speaker 3: a true story, folks. The way we have just gotten
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  Speaker 3: to know is stuck in LA traffic and we literally
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  Speaker 3: got out and walked down the street with her. This
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  Speaker 3: is our introduction how we got to It's.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of amazing, right, Like it's never gonna not be great,
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  Speaker 4: just know igue we couldn't remain.
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  Speaker 1: Up all right, So A Lisa, tell us your fascination
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  Speaker 1: what your connection is to true crime?
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  Speaker 5: I I mean, I think I am not alone here.
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  Speaker 5: I have a like a borderline disturbing obsession with it,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm not quite sure, you know, I've tried to
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  Speaker 5: figure out what this is, and then I realized, well,
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  Speaker 5: it's not just me. So I think we have such
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  Speaker 5: a desire to understand human behavior, and like we human
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  Speaker 5: beings are are like just we can't explain so much
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  Speaker 5: about how we behave and I think we find it
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  Speaker 5: absolutely impossible to believe sometimes that someone could commit some
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  Speaker 5: of these truly heinous crimes. And then when you kind
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  Speaker 5: of put all the pieces together and you walk down
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  Speaker 5: the path.
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  Speaker 4: You say Oh, oh wow.
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  Speaker 5: I guess I can sort of imagine. That's how I
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  Speaker 5: look at it, like, oh, I want to understand how
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  Speaker 5: someone could get to this place, you know, and so
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  Speaker 5: often these things like certainly mental illness is one thing,
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  Speaker 5: but sometimes these things are based in other issues, you know, where.
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  Speaker 4: It's really about loss or passion or.
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  Speaker 5: True like really needing to survive.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 5: There are so many different things that we come across
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  Speaker 5: that cause people to do these things, and so I
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  Speaker 5: am truly obsessed and I feel like there is you know,
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  Speaker 5: as an actor, I've never played a real person before
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  Speaker 5: who has existed in history, and I think you know,
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  Speaker 5: any kind of prep you're doing as an actor, you're
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  Speaker 5: always trying to understand who they are, where they come from,
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  Speaker 5: why they do the things they do.
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  Speaker 4: And if you're playing.
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  Speaker 5: A real person, it's just a whole other level, right
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  Speaker 5: of how do you get inside that person? Yes, how
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  Speaker 5: do you find the positive things to a person who's
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  Speaker 5: done catastrophic things? How do you humanize them on all
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  Speaker 5: of that but also then show them respect? Right, there's
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  Speaker 5: something And if you're playing the other family members, lawyers,
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  Speaker 5: people who have this really specific and unique experience with
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  Speaker 5: these situations. There's like a real amount of of.
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  Speaker 4: Just respect that you have to show.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm so interested to talk to the people from
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  Speaker 5: the creative side of how they approach these characters. Do
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  Speaker 5: they get to go to the places where these things happen?
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  Speaker 5: How much real access? How much license do you give
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  Speaker 5: yourself to say I am playing this real person. But
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  Speaker 5: I also have to kind of do my own version
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  Speaker 5: of that. So it's just I'm really excited to go
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  Speaker 5: down that path. And then also I get to it's
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  Speaker 5: my job. I have to watch these things. I have to,
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  Speaker 5: oh my job to.
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  Speaker 1: Watch True Crime Specialists, which is just so laborious and boring. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's exciting to get to consume what you love and
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  Speaker 1: then talk about the process of how you portray this.
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  Speaker 1: Explain to us or at least to the listeners, what
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  Speaker 1: this new show format is going to be. How are
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  Speaker 1: you approaching true crime in this podcast form?
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  Speaker 5: So we're approaching it from the standpoint of the series
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  Speaker 5: and the films that are recreating and telling.
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  Speaker 4: The story of these crimes.
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  Speaker 1: I e.
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  Speaker 5: The Murder Murders is one that has recently been right
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  Speaker 5: been on TV and that series is obviously goes through
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  Speaker 5: the process of Alec Murda and the murder of his
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  Speaker 5: wife and his son. And so we will interview one
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  Speaker 5: of the actors from the SHO show, talk to them
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  Speaker 5: about their their process, how how involved in the case
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  Speaker 5: did they did they get how did they sort of
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  Speaker 5: separate themselves, how did they prepare for this, and how
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  Speaker 5: did it impact their own lives? You know, because so
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  Speaker 5: much of this Also when we're watching as viewers, I
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  Speaker 5: think for myself anyway, you you know, you're you're looking
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  Speaker 5: at your own life, but you're you're looking at it
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  Speaker 5: from this standpoint of as I said, kind of you know,
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  Speaker 5: how do we how can we do these things? Like
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  Speaker 5: how can human beings be so profoundly beautiful and kind
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  Speaker 5: and loving and then so profoundly dark? And how do
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  Speaker 5: we how do we keep existing as human beings? You know,
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  Speaker 5: we see these things, We have children, we have people
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  Speaker 5: we care about, Like it's I feel that there was
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  Speaker 5: really a way to humanize these things that will make
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  Speaker 5: us less uh sensitized, because that's also something that I
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  Speaker 5: think about a lot that you know, we can't there
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  Speaker 5: are terrible things that happen, you know, and it's important
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  Speaker 5: for us to really understand these things and not become
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  Speaker 5: desensitized to them. And I feel like if we can
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  Speaker 5: talk about it, kind of breaking down how you approach
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  Speaker 5: these people and how because telling these sorts of stories is, uh,
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  Speaker 5: it's a lot of weight to carry, you know, and
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  Speaker 5: it's not it's not simple. And so I'm interested in
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  Speaker 5: that crossing of the creative and the real life because
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  Speaker 5: I think as artist, certainly myself as an artist, the
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  Speaker 5: older that I get and the more work that I do,
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  Speaker 5: it's like you sort of incorporate your life into everything,
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  Speaker 5: Like my creativity is inherently part of my life and
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  Speaker 5: vice versa. So it's sort of I'm really interested in,
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  Speaker 5: you know, talking about those things and merging them.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think some of the stuff we see a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the stories we see and we all watch
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  Speaker 3: a lot of true crime, is it your opinion that
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  Speaker 3: most of us are capable of some of this stuff
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  Speaker 3: just were not in those circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: Or I think a lot of what.
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  Speaker 3: We're seeing is these people are anomalies, because it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: feel like that to me necessarily.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't feel that way to me either.
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  Speaker 5: I think that we want, we want to believe that,
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  Speaker 5: we want to say these are outliers. These these are
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  Speaker 5: the exceptions to the rule. But is this a part
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  Speaker 5: This is a part of human nature. It is a
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  Speaker 5: part of all of us, and it is really it's
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  Speaker 5: just like I mean, I bring everything.
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  Speaker 4: Back to Harry Potter, that there is there is a
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  Speaker 4: good and bad.
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  Speaker 5: It's a choice, right, and we are all driven by
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  Speaker 5: the We all have the good and the bad in us.
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  Speaker 5: And certainly, you know, things are they're extreme ends to
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  Speaker 5: both of those things. But I don't think it's an anomaly,
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  Speaker 5: you know, especially when we.
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  Speaker 4: Life is hard. You know, life is hard.
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  Speaker 5: Life is really beautiful too, but it's not easy, and
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  Speaker 5: dependent upon how you respond to those things, how the environment,
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  Speaker 5: your environment responds to you, the pressure can build. And
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  Speaker 5: I always feel like, I don't know if it's because
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  Speaker 5: I'm an actor that you sort of have to be
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  Speaker 5: able to imagine all these things. But I always feel
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  Speaker 5: like anyone is capable of anything, great things and small,
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  Speaker 5: you know, And I think it's shortsighted to say otherwise,
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  Speaker 5: to sort of put people in buckets, right, they go,
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  Speaker 5: this is a great person, they only do great things
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  Speaker 5: that it's terrible person, you know, And part of it
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  Speaker 5: is like judgment we all have to have good judgment
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  Speaker 5: right where we try to have good judgment.
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  Speaker 4: So, but they're that great.
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  Speaker 5: The middle, the middle bit is really where you know
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  Speaker 5: most of us are.
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  Speaker 3: What do you find you're drawn to? What type of
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  Speaker 3: true crime stories? We We do a thing we call
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  Speaker 3: murder in the Morning. We just started calling because we
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  Speaker 3: wake up first thing in the morning, it's two, three,
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  Speaker 3: four or five in the morning, and we turn the
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  Speaker 3: TV on and we don't want to watch cartoons or news.
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  Speaker 3: We turn on something to where a white has killed
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  Speaker 3: her husband.
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  Speaker 2: We are weird when the spouse kills.
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  Speaker 4: So we're hoping I'm interested in that. I'm very interested in.
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  Speaker 5: Spousal disputes, yes, and family sort of disputes, because.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's like so ripe.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we all know it's all it's so relatable,
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  Speaker 5: it's so relatable, and then it.
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  Speaker 4: Just becomes to work.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, women are always what it's nurses or nurses they
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  Speaker 3: have a gambling addiction, yes, or credit.
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  Speaker 2: Card corre and nurses have access to drugs.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like, look in that's some prime stories
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  Speaker 1: that we watch. I feel like women are so sadistic,
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  Speaker 1: like if a man's going to kill you it's just
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  Speaker 1: going to be like quick, brutal, but quick women, we
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  Speaker 1: will torture.
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  Speaker 4: What you suffer.
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  Speaker 5: And we've been planning it and planning it for ages and.
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  Speaker 4: Watching it unfold because we can MULTITASKI.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it is funny that we do love
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  Speaker 1: some of these true crime stories. In fact, where we're
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  Speaker 1: staying here in Brentwood, we did notice we were walking
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  Speaker 1: to go pick up something and we were on Bundy,
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  Speaker 1: so and of course, obviously o J. We looked it
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  Speaker 1: up and we couldn't believe how close we were to
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  Speaker 1: where the murders happened.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm we're going on a run tomorrow. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I might have to run. I have to run by that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 1: I remember in high school my English teacher called it
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  Speaker 1: fascination with the abomination. I know, I had it from
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  Speaker 1: the moment I was a kid.
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  Speaker 5: So don't you think that's partly why you got into journalism,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure of course. And then also it's about having
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  Speaker 5: a real curiosity about humanity and life, right, it's not
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  Speaker 5: so this is this is the thing, like it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: have to be exploitative, right in this way, it's actually
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  Speaker 5: a true fascination that we have. It's like a curiosity.
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  Speaker 5: If you're paying attention at all, you know, and have
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  Speaker 5: a pulse, you can't be not affected by these things.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to ask, do you think people are
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  Speaker 1: born evil?
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  Speaker 4: Are inherently evil? Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: And selfish and you have to learn otherwise. I'm curious
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  Speaker 1: where you fall on that. Is it a learned thing?
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  Speaker 1: Are you born with it? Do you choose it?
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  Speaker 5: This is, you know, one of the age old questions, right,
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  Speaker 5: the eternal question. I feel like we are It is
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  Speaker 5: based in the soul. So we come into this life
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  Speaker 5: with a soul, and the soul's in the body, so
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  Speaker 5: you're you know, you come with that, everybody you come with,
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  Speaker 5: but the.
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  Speaker 4: Soul is really there.
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  Speaker 5: This is my personal belief and that you're here on
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  Speaker 5: earth to work through things, and you have to work
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  Speaker 5: through those things in a human way. So what you're
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  Speaker 5: working through is going to be different than what I'm
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  Speaker 5: working through. There might be some crossover, you know, but
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  Speaker 5: sort of like the big task of being alive is
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  Speaker 5: individual with all sorts of crossovers. So the good or
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  Speaker 5: bad thing, you know, and I think about this, you know,
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  Speaker 5: when you have a child, when I have my daughter.
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  Speaker 4: I remember thinking.
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  Speaker 5: Before I was like, oh, you know, I mom and
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  Speaker 5: I have adore in my mother, but we have a
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  Speaker 5: complicated relationship, you know. So I was always like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna have a boy. It's better, I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 5: a boy.
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  Speaker 4: I'm definitely having a boy. I was like, he's gonna
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  Speaker 4: wear bow ties. I was like doing things.
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  Speaker 5: And then when I was pregnant in the middle of
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  Speaker 5: like maybe like four or five months, I remember we
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  Speaker 5: were on this vacation, my cousin and I and I
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  Speaker 5: was like, oh, I think I'm having a girl. I
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  Speaker 5: think I'm having a girl. And we hadn't found out yet,
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  Speaker 5: like at that time she's thirteen. Now you couldn't. It
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  Speaker 5: was later when you could find out the gender.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, so at any rate.
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, I feel like I had this
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  Speaker 5: and to me, I know you're going to be like
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  Speaker 5: I'm looney Tunes. I feel like that was like the
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  Speaker 5: moment where it's like her soul came, chose me, here
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  Speaker 5: we go, and it like shifted. Now you might have
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  Speaker 5: always been the case, and my mind was like I'm
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  Speaker 5: just gonna have a boy because it'll be easier for me.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be better for me.
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  Speaker 5: We all have girls, yes, And now, of course I
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't change this for the world, you know. But so
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  Speaker 5: my point being that she like, once she came out
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  Speaker 5: and was here, I fully understood. Oh, I'm like the
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  Speaker 5: vessel that brought her here. But she is her own thing,
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  Speaker 5: and we are like here, I'm here to give her
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  Speaker 5: my moral guidelines and to give her my support and
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  Speaker 5: show her how, you know, my husband and I how
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  Speaker 5: we feel about the world now we do things. But
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  Speaker 5: she is her own person, like one hundred percent her
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  Speaker 5: own person, and I don't ever want to change that.
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  Speaker 5: Like I celebrate that, you know. Sometimes that's why we
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  Speaker 5: butt heads and why we have, you know, sort of
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  Speaker 5: some trouble. But it's like you just go, oh, we really.
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  Speaker 4: Are all individuals, you know, we really are.
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  Speaker 5: So I think it's that was a really long winded answer,
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  Speaker 5: but that's what I think.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: My last question on the podcast and covering true crime
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  Speaker 3: is I just want to hear your take. And sometimes
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  Speaker 3: it's a criticism of it's a morbid curiosity, and people
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  Speaker 3: take it as sometimes you are profiting or using someone's
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  Speaker 3: pain or painful story as a part of entertainment, and
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  Speaker 3: I get that to a certain degree. I never feel
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  Speaker 3: like that and I'm watching true crime. But for folks
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  Speaker 3: when that's out there, where do you come down in
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  Speaker 3: that idea that what we're seeing is sometimes more of
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  Speaker 3: a curiosity, sometimes entertainment. But I see it and it
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  Speaker 3: sounds like you see it a little differently, And why
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  Speaker 3: it's important to be telling it because there's so much
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  Speaker 3: true crime out the stories, I mean, the shows are
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  Speaker 3: a little ridiculous coming they are out there.
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  Speaker 2: But take on that idea, I.
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  Speaker 4: Would say two things.
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  Speaker 5: One, when people are in pain, and I have known
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  Speaker 5: people who have gone through just unimaginable, unspeakable pain. They
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  Speaker 5: don't want to not.
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  Speaker 4: Talk about it, they actually have to. And the more
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  Speaker 4: that people ignore it or say like.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, don't bring it up, don't bring it up, you know, like,
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  Speaker 5: let's not upset her, it's you're doing them a disservice
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  Speaker 5: because they're thinking about it all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: So if there's a part of this that can be very,
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  Speaker 5: very healing to people, I think when it's done respectfully
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  Speaker 5: and well. And then the other part of it is
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  Speaker 5: as a creative person, it's like it's a it's a
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  Speaker 5: calling to be a creative person as an actor and
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  Speaker 5: not to get to like get my violin out here,
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  Speaker 5: but truly, so we're like doing a service, like it's
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  Speaker 5: a calling. We're artists, So you really are imbuing this
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  Speaker 5: with humanity and with truth. And you know, in a
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  Speaker 5: prit not everything is you know, Shakespeare or oscar Worthy,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, I think everybody that's the goal is
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  Speaker 5: to do good work and to show respect for something,
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  Speaker 5: and I think that it can be revelatory for people
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  Speaker 5: and you know, even healing at sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: And to get people excited about this new podcast, Killer Thriller,
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  Speaker 1: which we're very excited about. Can you give us an
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: idea of the stories that you're interested in right now
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  Speaker 1: that you're hoping to tell. I know you're going to
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  Speaker 1: focus on some of the actors who portray some of
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the worst people in the world and what that's like
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  Speaker 1: to walk in those bodies and to try to get
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  Speaker 1: into those mindsets, which I can't imagine what that's like
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  Speaker 1: as an actor. But what are the stories that you're
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: hoping to share or some of the true crime elements
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: that folks can look forward to on this podcast.
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  Speaker 5: So we're going to do new shows that are very topical,
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: like the Murder Murderers, the Menendez Brothers A week don't
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: ever seem to want to let them go, but something
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: is always shifting in their story, dis fascinating the new ones.
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  Speaker 5: Who is the one the guy? There are a few
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  Speaker 5: that I would like to just put it out there
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: that I hope they will make soon. I'm sure there's
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: going to be an Epstein series of some kind. Diddy
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  Speaker 5: and uh right, Brian Walsh is we can't stop watching it.
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  Speaker 4: We have watched it all day every day.
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  Speaker 5: I hope somebody is writing that right now. I really
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  Speaker 5: hope that they are.
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  Speaker 4: And OJ s O J.
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  Speaker 5: Simpson never goes away, never never, and that those shows
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  Speaker 5: the versace some of these people like Jason Clark and
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Murder Murders that series. He is like otherworldly. He is
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: so phenomenal in this show. Everybody is, the whole cast
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: is really quite wonderful, but he is like.
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  Speaker 4: On another level.
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  Speaker 5: And the transformation that this guy does from the first
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: episode to the end, it's like you it's.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Like you're watching a mad man. I just it is.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: He's so spectacular and they're all great, Like everybody is wonderful,
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  Speaker 5: isn't it whisht All that like, it's a terrific cast,
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  Speaker 5: but he's amazing. And in the the OJ series People
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: Versus OJ, Sarah Paulson is like also Marcia Clark, she
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: nails credible. She's so good at.
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  Speaker 3: Lobby for Courtney b Vance to get an oscar for
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  Speaker 3: a show that was on TV.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, incredible.
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  Speaker 5: Yes so, And these are people that really are imbuing
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  Speaker 5: these people with humanity, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the cool parts about
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  Speaker 1: it because it's not just the killer or the evil doers.
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  Speaker 4: The people, it's the people around around.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, these stories and in many ways those people are
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: especially particularly in the murder murders in that series, the
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: way they show it, the family and the police officers
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: and all of those people, like they have such a
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: unique importance because many of them were either afraid to
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: speak up we're like a party to the whole thing,
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: or just really you know, had no resources and had
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  Speaker 5: no other opportunity, like didn't how to sort of do
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: what was in front of them. And that's another piece
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  Speaker 5: of these things. I think that's really important to see.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes people it's like their circumstances.
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  Speaker 3: No, I always there was a common thread to most
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: of the stories we see often times quite frankly, it's poverty, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's upbringing. It's all of these things that play into it.
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  Speaker 3: That when you see a headline, yep, it's one thing
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: you think somebody's monstrous when you see there.
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  Speaker 4: See the whole story what happened, certainly.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that is important for us to constantly see.
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  Speaker 3: We are so excited to partner with you.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: I am so excited to partner with you too.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I love our heart relationship.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: We didn't know where it was going, is turned into
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: this thing that where we are now able to have
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: moments we never thought, which included riding in that car
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  Speaker 3: traffic in LA with you, and walking to get to it.
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  Speaker 3: It's just really robes And I mean this. I'm saying
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  Speaker 3: this from a personal standpoint. We have been through a
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: lot and we can never have imagined that we'd be
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: sitting in this room with you right now. But all
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: of that happened for us to get here, and we
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I tell you, at least, we are so happy to
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: be where we are right now, which is in.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: A room with you.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: So we are so grateful that is beautiful. We're willing
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: to come on and work with us, that we are
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: looking forward to what you have to offer.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: I cannot wait. That was beautifully said, and I really
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: I'm just so happy for the two of you. It's like,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: you know, it really is.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes we got to go through things, yes, but I will.
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  Speaker 5: I also want to say, it isn't just like going
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: through it. Then you have to you have to to
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  Speaker 5: actually live right, like nobody is going to just provide
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: you the happy life that you have.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: And I that's not the prize for going through it.
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  Speaker 5: It's like you have to actually still contribute to it.
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  Speaker 5: And you too have made that, you know, Thank you,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: thank you.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think we've all like part of funny enough.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: What drew us together, part of our bond while we
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: were just friends and colleagues, was this fascination probably why
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: we got into journalism as well with true crime. What
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: makes people take this curiosity into human nature and what
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: makes people do what they do and say what they say,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and to be able to talk about it with people
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: who you respect and people who you love, and knowing
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that we're all just looking for better understanding of one another.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's part of what true crime is it's
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: not just about the ooh and the ah and the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: shock value. That's actually about learning and understanding and going deeper.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: So we love how how you're approaching this where you're
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: going to take this new podcast, and we're so excited
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to be on this adventure with you and Hope. We
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: can't wait to listen to the first episode and then
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: we can have these meet and greets and catch up
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: sessions to talk about. I love watching what we're fascinated
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: by and just to see the creative process that takes
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: place to tell these stories for folks, for it to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: come alive for folks, for it to resonate with people.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I think that's so cool about what you do as
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: an actor, and we can't wait to see what you
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: have for all of us. We'll be listening to the podcast, yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: every week. So congratulation.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: We're so excited about working with you, Alisa Donovan, Thank you,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and we have a lot of fun ahead of us.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: All I can't wait. Thank you both so much. It's
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: going to be fun.
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  Speaker 3: Height