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Episode 22: Gloomspite Gitz (Part 2) · The Bad Moon's Orbit

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  Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of The Bad
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  Moon's Orbit. I am, as always, your dank hold
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  the Trog Boss, Stalton Montgomery and.
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  I'm Darian, the Owl Lady. Oh, perfect second episode on
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  the gloom. Spike gets just too big of a
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  topic to handle in a single episode.
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  And also they're my favorite and I love them, so we're going to
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  give them two. But last episode, if you'll
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  remember, we talked about the moon clans, all of our little
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  gribbly Wizards and fungus boys and yeah, the fun guys and the
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  like. I said a little scheming and
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  running around Wizards and fanatics and all that fun stuff.
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  We talked a little bit about the Spider Clan.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, trap door spiders in
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  reality. Neat.
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  That's. Fine.
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  And today we're going to talk about the other two big groups
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  of Gloomspike Gifts Society. Today's focus is going to be on
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  Trogoths, which is AO s s term for trolls.
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  Yeah, I like it. For 1/2 a second that they're
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  all just given copyrightable names.
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  I like Trogoth, to be fair. It's they're Trogoths, yeah.
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  Trogoth feels distinctly different from troll, like it's
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  the same sound, but like it's not like some of them which feel
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  just too similar and piss me off.
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  Not fair. Yeah, Trogoth, I did think was
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  going to be a totally different guy, so that's fine.
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  It's Trogoths today and Gitmob are wolf riding sun revering
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  kind of other half to that coin. I like that very much, yeah.
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  They're great, but let's jump in with Tragos.
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  Anyone who's was playing 4th edition Age of Sigmar, what it
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  first released, probably remembers Tragos.
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  They were real good there for a minute.
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  They were just under pointed is what it was.
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  But that's how we're not here to talk about game stuff, we're
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  here to talk about lore stuff. So what is a Tragos?
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  It's a troll. Yeah, it's a troll.
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  You get a lot of the kind of baseline.
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  Like when I say troll for fancy fiction, probably the first
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  thing that jumps to your mind is like the the three trolls from
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  The Hobbit maybe? Or turns to.
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  Stone in sun. Yes, turn Stone Sunlight Trolls
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  from Terry Pratchett's Discworld Trolls.
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  From Hilda. Yeah, trolls from Hilda, not
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  these ones aren't so much like those ones.
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  Those ones are cute. Those ones.
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  Aren't cute? They don't like bells.
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  Yeah. Discworld trolls.
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  Hobbit trolls A troll in Central Park.
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  Oh, very good. Good call, good pull.
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  In my mind, typically the things that signify A fictional troll
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  is like big, strong, usually some form of like regenerative
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  property that feels important to like typical troll and the the
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  Turing to stone in sunlight is like a very classic.
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  That's a yeah troll. Like what makes it if you have a
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  big, large, strong Beastie, right?
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  What makes it a troll and not an ogre or a giant?
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  And I do think it's the stone into stone, stone in sunlight
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  thing. You might tell me that doesn't
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  matter here. It's not going to come up for
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  Warhammer trolls so they do not turn to sun and or stone inside.
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  I did it too. Yeah, they turned to sunlight.
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  They do not turn to stone and sunlight.
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  They don't, they don't like sunlight.
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  It hurts their eyes. It's like they're just more.
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  Yeah, Yeah. They're more typified by their
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  regenerative properties. I think that's more of a trait.
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  Like they're more in a tradition of like Dungeons and Dragons
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  trolls, because that's the thing that Dungeons Dragons trolls do
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  is they have pretty strong regenerative like capabilities.
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  Warcraft trolls are very different, but they're also like
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  typified by regeneration. And so Warhammer trolls
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  regeneration is their shtick. It's very hard to keep a troll
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  that's hard to keep a good troll down.
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  But what I like about Age of Sigmars takes take on trolls on
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  Tragos is that they are weird and they're they're weirder than
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  I think anyone gives them credit for this.
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  Is one of the episodes where there's not a image slides show
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  for me and I don't ever look at those and tell, Dalton says and
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  not look at slide B. But now we have the minis that
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  are all just sitting on my bed right now and they are weird
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  gang. Yep.
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  I'm. Sure, I'm sure.
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  You dear listener. No, but like these are, I would
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  not have known these were all supposed to be the same kind of.
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  Creatures, yeah, that's kind of the vibe.
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  That's kind of the vibe with Trogas.
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  Like I said, I like Trogas because they're weird and I
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  like, for whatever reason, regeneration tickles my brain.
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  I think it's a neat like fantasy power to have.
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  So we've got some typical troll traits.
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  They're big, they're strong. They're generally and like this
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  varies per setting, I feel like, but generally something that I
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  think is typical trolls and kind of interesting is that they tend
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  to be they're not they're not beasts.
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  They're not like like a dungeon monster that's just operating on
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  instinct. They tend to be intelligent, but
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  just like, not intelligent intelligent, right?
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  They're. Like a guy, but they're not a
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  smart. Guy Yeah, exactly, exactly.
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  And that's tends to be unique from us.
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  Or like you put a troll in the same room as like Remora or
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  whatever those are like big weird insects from D&D or
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  whatever. Or like an umber Hulk or
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  whatever. Like those are big, like
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  humanoid shaped, but they're not smart.
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  They, they can't like make deals and reason and stuff, whereas
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  trolls usually are. Trolls have like brains enough
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  to be able to reason. It's just too hot for them.
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  Yes. Just world reference.
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  I'm 3 for. 3 I'm getting you to talk about Discworld on the
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  three different podcasts that I recorded today.
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  Hell yeah. So how do, how do Age of Sigmar
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  trolls diverge? So the big 1 and I think the one
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  that makes them so like diverse in Age of Sigmar, why there's
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  like so we have so many varieties is that we've turned
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  that like regenerative property into also a like rapid
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  adaptation. Like a troll who moves to a new
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  location is going to just kind of slowly metamorphosize to
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  better like exist in that location.
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  Yeah. They're kind of big monstrous
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  EVs a little bit where they just, yeah, where they, they
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  just kind of adapt to the circumstances they're at.
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  And that has led to like all of these different kinds of like
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  trolls that exist in the world because they just find their
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  niches and they like inhabit them.
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  Yeah. So we have even amongst the ones
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  like that, we have like physical models for here.
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  We have like a bunch of different subspecies that don't
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  have models but do exist in lore that we're going to talk about
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  that are, yeah, like just extensions of that idea of like
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  being in a different place, like in adapting to it in that way.
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  So let's talk a little bit about, yeah, like the the mind
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  of troll cause yeah, Troggs are sentient.
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  Troggs are capable of thought, capable of reason.
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  They just aren't generally very bright.
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  They just don't have a lot going on.
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  And that's like 2 parts like physicality, like they're just
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  not built to be smart. And one part they don't really
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  have need to be smart. It's like like the average
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  troll. If you gave them, if you
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  orchestrated the circumstances by which they could, like, learn
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  a bunch of stuff, we could probably pull them up to, like,
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  reasonably smart. But they don't need to.
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  They're big, they're tough. They just do what they want and
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  they don't need. Yeah, They don't need all those
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  things that you usually use smarts for.
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  I said we have, we have examples in lore of trolls that can do
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  magic, which isn't intentionally, like in hair is
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  explicitly a intelligence thing. Like, you have to have smarts to
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  do magic. And so like, we know that
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  they're capable in that way. Trolls have an afterlife.
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  They have their own dedicated afterlife in Chaish.
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  That's to our knowledge. I think the official vibe is
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  that Nagash claims the troll afterlife, he just doesn't care
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  about it because because it's just a big cave.
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  It's just one single big cave that all troll souls go to after
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  they die. Just.
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  Go to the big cave. Yeah, that's where they can hang
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  out and sleep, you know. What?
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  That's a pretty good gig. If you get it, it's called
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  druge. So yeah, like I said, we know
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  they're at least smart enough that they're not like there's
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  not a squig afterlife, right? Like squigs are just animals.
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  Yeah, like So what? But what like coordination we
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  tend to see them exhibit is seemingly very instinct driven
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  official term for like a group of troggs is a trog herd and
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  they so all of the the thing that unites all gets right is
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  the the bad moon goblins are empowered by its squigs are
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  empowered by a trolls are empowered by.
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  And unlike those other groups where typically like the bad
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  moon will show up someplace and like maybe God wants to have
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  like received prophecy and stuff and like read the bones or
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  whatever to try and be there when it arrives or like squigs
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  are drawn to it after it arrives and stuff.
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  Trogs tend to like like get together and then they'll like
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  go to a place and then like the next day the bad moon will
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  arrive. Yeah.
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  And like again, it's all this is through the lens of that like
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  destruction faction. Like a lot of this is told
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  through the lens of like an imperial like collegiate wizard
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  like has the thesis they wrote on like trog behavior.
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  Not like first hand account from trolls.
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  Generally I think there's only like 3 or 4 quotes from actual
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  trolls and all of the official material because they don't have
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  a lot to say. Yeah, but it leads to a lot of
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  speculation on what trolls relationship to the bad Moon is.
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  So there's that. Like I said, there's that
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  instinctive thing where it's like they know where it's going
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  to be beforehand just on a very like primal level.
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  And so they're just showing up ahead of time.
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  There's like very weird theories.
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  I think. I can't remember if we mentioned
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  the last episode, but I'm going to mention it now because it's
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  showed up at a lot of official material.
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  As like, a theory that people have is that Troggs are so weird
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  compared to other things affected by the Bad Moon that
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  one of the theories that, like, has been proposed and has, like,
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  some weight to it is that Troggs might be native to the Bad Moon.
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  Yeah. Like, they're not native to the
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  realms they like either. Like, rode here on the Bad Moon
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  as like, its own, like, chunk of whatever their world was.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like that's, that's one of the
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  like, 'cause they bear resemblance to Old World trolls,
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  but they're different enough that it's like, is like the bad
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  moon, a chunk of the old world that like flew through space, La
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  Sigmar. Are they from somewhere else
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  entirely? Some people say it's not even a
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  like, oh, there just happened to be trolls on this thing and then
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  it flew through space and got weird and now it's here.
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  But that the Bad Moon is explicitly a troll spaceship
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  like that. They came here on purpose.
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  Yeah. And so it's not that they are
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  showing up where the Bad Moon is going to arrive.
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  It's that they are directing it. Yeah.
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  They're charting courses for it. Yeah, they.
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  Don't need to be smart anymore. So it's not a thing.
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  Yeah. It just does what it was
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  Perfect. Yeah.
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  That's why that one. I I say that one.
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  Yeah, and that also leads to if. I lived there.
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  If I lived in the the realms, I'd say that one.
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  Yeah, yeah. I would personally subscribe to
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  if I was a collegiate wizard. Yeah, absolutely.
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  And it's. Fist fights with other
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  collegiate Wizards. Otherwise, it's important.
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  Yeah, the. Whole college thesis.
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  About it, it's very or like yes, and that yeah, that leads to the
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  like was that is this like some part of ancient lost Trogas
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  technology that they can't utilize anymore?
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  Or like there's some people who theorize like actually trogs
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  aren't stupid, they're just clever enough to not let on.
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  Like they are actually smart and they've got some grand design
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  that they're working towards and they they just aren't letting
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  anyone else know. No one else needs to get in on
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  this plan because you let other people get involved.
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  It didn't work last time. Why would it work?
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  This time, it's like was the earliest accounts of Europeans
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  encountering orangutans, the low some of the local peoples would
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  tell them that orangutans were capable of speech.
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  They just were smart enough not to because then they would be
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  made to work. And that's that's kind of the
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  vibe some people have with trolls is like, yeah, it's like
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  as long as you just present as this big kind of like, oh, fish,
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  yeah. Like force of nature, they're
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  not going to make you do jobs. They're not going to make you
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  pay goblin taxes you don't have. To participate in the capitalism
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  that. You work Speaking of like some
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  of the the weirder quality. So trugs are flesh and bone.
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  They're they're creatures like anything else.
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  But their regeneration is a split from like old world
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  trolls. Their regeneration doesn't
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  appear to be a like function of their biology so much as it
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  appears to be like a semi magical, not even magical
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  because trolls tend to be actually pretty resistant to
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  magic, which I think is interesting.
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  It's almost a like metaphysical quality to them.
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  So we're going to get into some very weird territory real quick
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  here, but we're going to try and keep it like yes, I'm going to
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  try and keep it like structured a little bit.
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  Trolls, Age of Sigmar trolls are so strongly that that seems to
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  be why they regenerate like a troll is what it is in such a
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  like true and like powerful way. That is not that their body is
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  like, oh, normal healing process speed up.
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  It's like, you cut this troll, but the universe knows what it's
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  supposed to be. And so it's going to go back to
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  being that. Yeah.
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  OK, OK. That is.
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  Weird, yes, like and we have like a bunch of weird evidence
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  to support like Troggs. Outside, they change so
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  dramatically if they're in a different environment.
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  Yes, yeah, because they seem to adapt, but like they're still
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  always troll, if that makes sense.
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  Yes. OK, OK.
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  So like, trolls appear to reproduce asexually despite
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  exhibiting sexual dimorphism, which we'll get into in a
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  minute. Troll Den is called the Trog
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  Hole. And again, you'd think that
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  that's just like a big dank cave that they live in.
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  But we have descriptions in one of the like lore books for
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  Glutes by gets that anyone who tries to go into a Trog hole
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  just like climb down there and like hang out doesn't just find
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  it unpleasant. They're like bodies get unmade
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  and like the atomic level. It's just like, so, yeah, it's
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  just like so pure, like, metaphysical, like realness that
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  you just, like, can't handle it if you're not a troll.
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  Yeah. No.
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  OK, sure, right. It's AI have the phrase a
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  primordial pit of creation from which emerges trunks.
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  OK. Yeah, sure.
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  Yeah, great. It's just the primal soup, and
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  occasionally A trog climbs out all.
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  Right. Yeah, man.
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  This is like some people in the like lore communities tend to
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  think of them almost as anti demons.
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  Is kind of where we land, all right, Where, like, a demon is a
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  thing made of magic. They are in body mints of chaos.
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  They can have all these vast, like, weird shapes and forms and
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  whatnot because of that. Whereas Troggs are.
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  And that's part of the like, Troggs are innately resistant to
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  magic. Like it's very hard to affect a
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  troll with magic because they are.
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  They know what they are and they're going to keep being it.
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  Yeah. Twists and changes.
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  Yeah, exactly. Fundamentally are, yeah, magic
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  is change, right? If a demon is a creature of
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  magic, shaped by forces, cosmic and arcane, constantly in flux,
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  troggs are creatures of the real, the solid, and the
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  indisruptible. I like that, yeah.
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  Right, they just are and that's great.
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  So let's talk about some some Trogas varieties.
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  This is the fun bit. I'm going to cover all the like
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  non model Troggs, which makes them sound like like unmodeled
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  citizens, which is not the not the case.
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  They just literally don't have models we have and they we're
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  going to glance off these a little bit because we don't have
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  a ton of info on them. We have bile, sour breath and
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  sulfur breath trogoths. All three of these originate in
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  first edition AOS when it was a like, hey, we're scrapping the
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  old game, starting the new game and but you can still use most
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  of your like models because we don't want you to all just
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  leave. And so like bile, sour breath
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  and Sulfur Breath are all like these are old troll models from
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  the old world who are going to like very quickly make up lore
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  for so that you can play them in AOS.
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  And then we're going to discontinue those models and
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  we're never going to reference them again.
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  So Sour breath and Sulfur Breath are just two variations that
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  like sulfur breaths live in like volcanic places.
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  And so they they have like hot, like running in their veins and
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  their fire resistant. Yeah.
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  Sour breaths are like acidic and kind of like like deep jungle,
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  like kind of vibes or no sorry bile or that sour breaths are
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  just like normal troll. Yeah, a sour sour breaths, their
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  model was just a classic. Like if you're playing Warhammer
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  Fantasy and you want to run troll, that's sour breaths.
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  So and the most interesting thing about them honestly is
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  that like none of them had any lore since 1st edition
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  basically. Except that to this day,
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  whenever like trolls come up and stuff, one of games workshops go
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  to trivia questions is like, what is the most common kind of
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  like troll in the Mortal Realms. And it's still sour breaths
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  despite them. Yeah, despite them not having
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  models and not having like Eddie lower, they are still like on a
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  lower basis like the most common, which is interesting.
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  OK, OK. They're just, they're just kind
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  of little guys, like they have old models, yeah.
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  Fascinating. I just, I've looked at my phone
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  because I wanted to see what they look like compared to these
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  guys that are sitting over here. Yeah, they're a little bit
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  smaller. They're a little bit more like
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  squat, just a different, different vibe.
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  And then we get into ones that have models starting with rock
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  gut Tragas that's blue. They're holding the rock over
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  his head. Really.
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  Really hoping it would be the one with the rock.
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  And yeah, rocket, tragas and habit, mountainous or otherwise
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  stone covered regions. True to their name, they subsist
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  almost entirely off of eating stone.
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  Like they they can eat like meat and vegetation, but they don't
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  like it and they don't need it. I lost one of his shoes.
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  Yeah, his shoe is a rock. Because Yep.
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  He probably. Ate the other one for snack.
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  Yep. But yeah, that that diet gives
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  them that like craggy kind of crystal and hide that makes them
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  like very protected, which is cool.
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  They're very tough of a statue. He is.
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  It's got a little dwarf face on it.
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  Yeah. Pulled it off of some dwarven
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  monument to go hawk at a guy. That's super cool.
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  I didn't realize it until I turned it sideways a little bit
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  and I was like, oh, that's not just like a boulder.
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  Yeah, I like that very much. That the like model kit for
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  rocket Tragas is one of my favorites because you can do so
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  many like there's so many variations on the arms and stuff
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  and there's like 3 different boulders you can have them
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  holding. And that's.
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  Cool. Yeah, it's great.
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  I'm a big fan. Nice.
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  OK, but yeah like their their stone diet gives them that like
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  Stony exterior. They are probably the toughest
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  like of all trolls in like ages. Sigbar game terms.
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  They have a 5 up ward save, which mathematically just means
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  that they completely ignore about a third of all damage they
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  take. Yeah, very tough.
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  And that's on top of for generating just very, very tough
• 21:10
  is the big thing. Rockets also have the extremely
• 21:13
  funny quirk of being like the most capable like lithium
• 21:17
  answers in existence. Yeah, like stone stone mages.
• 21:22
  They can fully like mold solid stone beneath their fingers as
• 21:26
  if it were water like, and that's just an innate quality
• 21:30
  they all have. But most of them just do not
• 21:34
  have any ambition to do anything with that except for like carve
• 21:39
  a piece of rock out of a Cliff face to throw at a guy that's
• 21:42
  making a mess or to eat right, like make it.
• 21:46
  Easier to grab a stone. Yes, you get occasional
• 21:49
  exceptions. Like I said, we talked before
• 21:51
  about Hish Roma light where all the like luminous lives or
• 21:55
  techless lives and stuff. One of the effects Hitch has on
• 21:58
  people as it makes them analytical, it makes them like
• 22:00
  smarter. So Troggs especially that live
• 22:03
  on Hitch tend to be a little bit smarter.
• 22:04
  And so we do have like some oblique lore references to like
• 22:07
  some rockets who live on Hitch who will just like practice real
• 22:10
  like stone carving and stuff and like make statues and stuff with
• 22:13
  that ability. It's just most of them don't
• 22:16
  care. It's.
• 22:17
  Not necessary for. Their goals pick it up to throw
• 22:19
  at a guy, and that's great. I'm a big fan of Rocco Trogas.
• 22:22
  I think their models are great and a little bit derpy and so
• 22:26
  full of character. Yeah.
• 22:27
  The other little troll that we have to talk about are fell
• 22:31
  water trolls. They are swampy like dank water
• 22:37
  trolls. Yeah, they can breathe
• 22:41
  underwater. They can do where they breathe
• 22:44
  through their skin like frogs, which can be very handy.
• 22:50
  They're not as tough as rockets because they don't have that
• 22:52
  like, stone diet. They mostly persist stuff like
• 22:54
  fish and, like, what other animals they can, like, ambush
• 22:57
  from the water, but they make up for it by smelling terrible.
• 23:04
  It's their main. Yeah.
• 23:06
  It's their main defensive tool, which is very funny.
• 23:09
  Like I said, they're fully aquatic.
• 23:10
  They can just, like, live underwater for pretty much any
• 23:13
  length of time. They love, like, ponds and,
• 23:17
  like, swamps. Anywhere that's kind of brackish
• 23:19
  water where they can use that, like, extra cover.
• 23:22
  Yes, exactly. Because they are very much like
• 23:24
  ambush predators. Very lurking.
• 23:26
  Lurk heavy tragos. They have a couple more like
• 23:31
  unique adaptations genuinely like how bad they smell as like
• 23:34
  part of their defensive sweet. That makes sense yeah they don't
• 23:38
  really do it in game anymore, but for a long time that was
• 23:41
  their core thing is that they were just harder to hit because
• 23:43
  when you got close to them they smelled so bad.
• 23:46
  The other big thing that fell waters are known for
• 23:48
  specifically because fell waters.
• 23:50
  Fell waters have a little bit of a garbage disposal quality to
• 23:53
  them. Like they'll eat fish or
• 23:55
  anything they can ambush, but they'll also just eat like Moss
• 23:58
  or like chunks of logs. They're just kind of whatever
• 24:01
  comes their way, like. In license plates.
• 24:04
  Yep, Yep, 100% Big swamp goats, yeah.
• 24:09
  Cut your plastic loops that. Kind of so they don't get around
• 24:13
  some snag control. Yeah, I want a snag.
• 24:15
  Control. It'd be real sad.
• 24:17
  So to to do that, they need to have like very potent, like
• 24:21
  stomach acids to be able to like deal with all that.
• 24:24
  And one thing that they've developed as just like a
• 24:26
  defensive or offensive technique is they will just projectile
• 24:30
  vomit on stuff. Yeah, it's real bad.
• 24:34
  It's very good. But right, right.
• 24:39
  It's it's acidic enough that it can just like melt through
• 24:42
  steel. And so anyone trying to like,
• 24:45
  part of the reason why they're so put like so hard to push into
• 24:48
  like a fell water swamp is because you March up with your
• 24:51
  like regiment of Knights or whatever to like drive them out
• 24:54
  so you can do whatever to this swamp and they puke on your
• 24:59
  Knights and then their armor is melted away and then they get
• 25:01
  bashed like. Oh, you want to drain these
• 25:05
  wetlands? Right.
• 25:06
  I don't think so. Have you considered troll Have?
• 25:08
  You considered troll vomit? Yeah.
• 25:14
  Our big purple lad there, he's great Dank hold the Trogoths.
• 25:22
  They are big dank. Dank's the word that comes up a
• 25:25
  lot and get stuff that we haven't really talked about.
• 25:28
  The ultimate kind of like it's really hard for God ones all to
• 25:31
  have anyone consistent goal. But if like asked, kind of the
• 25:36
  big meta goal of all Gloomspike gets is to usher in what they
• 25:39
  call the ever dank, which is basically just making it so that
• 25:45
  bad moonlight shines everywhere always.
• 25:49
  And that would make the world muggy and gross and fungus
• 25:52
  growing everywhere and everybody kind of crazy.
• 25:56
  And so that was what the Everdank is, is just the state
• 25:59
  of kind of like it. Just feels like what your
• 26:02
  college car would have felt like.
• 26:03
  After yes, there's definitely an intentional like comedic element
• 26:08
  to it being called the Everdank. It's the I was going to say this
• 26:13
  last episode and then I didn't, and so I wanted to say it at
• 26:15
  some point in this episode. I think that the vibe, if you
• 26:18
  want to imagine what like gloomspike gets stuff is on like
• 26:21
  a vibes like slash like theme level.
• 26:25
  Is there like their comedy horror Fay?
• 26:31
  Yes. OK, OK.
• 26:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that that's so tracks.
• 26:34
  They they, they have all these silly things going on and the
• 26:37
  silly names and they're terrifying with the huge bugs
• 26:40
  and stuff. But like the novel Gloomspite
• 26:43
  features, like when they first start figuring out that it's
• 26:46
  goblins that are like encroaching on this town, the
• 26:49
  dwarf amongst them mutter something about Gobi Black Cap,
• 26:54
  which is a children's tale. Like it's literally on the level
• 26:57
  of like the the scissor man for like sucking your thumb or
• 27:00
  whatever. Like, oh, don't stay out after
• 27:02
  darker Gobi Black Caps going to like put mushrooms in your ears.
• 27:06
  Like, yeah. Go back to the scissor man.
• 27:08
  You don't know the scissor man. No, I don't know that I've
• 27:10
  acquainted with the scissors. Do you know?
• 27:14
  The muffin man the the I don't know where the like country of
• 27:17
  origin, but the scissor man is a children's deterrent.
• 27:21
  Like Cryptid who if you suck your thumbs, he'll come and cut
• 27:25
  them off. So I'm assuming it's.
• 27:28
  Like. Germanic, yeah.
• 27:31
  I'm assuming it's like a Germanic origin because that
• 27:34
  feels very, yeah. Vaguely Slavic, I'm.
• 27:38
  Yeah. Scissor Man and probably be
• 27:40
  really upset. Scissor Man movie you will get
• 27:44
  Edward Scissorhands. Oh yeah.
• 27:46
  Folklore. Yeah.
• 27:49
  The story of the thumb sucker. Yep, Mother warns her son Conrad
• 27:52
  not to suck his thumbs. However, she goes out of the
• 27:54
  house and he resumes son sucking until a roving Taylor appears
• 27:58
  and cuts off his thumbs with giant scissors.
• 28:01
  Yep, you're you were a spot on. It is German.
• 28:05
  This particular story published in 1845.
• 28:08
  There's just a lot of German fairy tales that are like,
• 28:10
  don't, don't do bad thing, young child or owls will take your
• 28:14
  eyeballs. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:18
  But yeah, so you you get we get the sense that like in the
• 28:21
  realms, it's a common enough thing that like parents will use
• 28:27
  to like scare children. Like don't stay out late, don't
• 28:30
  cause mischief for Gobi Black cap will come put mushrooms in
• 28:33
  your ears or take it take all your treats in the night or that
• 28:36
  kind of thing. To the point that when like in
• 28:39
  that novel, when that dwarf says Gobi Black half one of the other
• 28:42
  characters is like don't like don't bring like kids stories
• 28:46
  into this like Gobi Black caps not a real thing because like,
• 28:50
  yeah, goblins are a little bit unknown.
• 28:54
  If you're not like constantly encountering them.
• 28:56
  They're they're secretive enough generally, but I.
• 28:59
  Guess I don't understand what it would be like to actually live
• 29:01
  in this world and be like telling the dwarf that lives in
• 29:05
  your town goblins aren't real. It it varies a lot.
• 29:09
  It it's kind of a yeah, I think, gosh, I don't remember anyone.
• 29:14
  I. Don't know the fish elves that
• 29:15
  want to steal your soul Beg to fucking differ.
• 29:19
  It it, well, it's the Avatar thing, right, Where the first
• 29:22
  episode of Avatar Katara says don't be like silly magic's not
• 29:28
  real. It's bending.
• 29:30
  So even in a fantastical world, there are things that like
• 29:34
  stretch, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or even if goblins don't exist,
• 29:38
  like, oh, they're not this like organized like fairy tale like
• 29:42
  thing that's going to like come out of your floorboards or
• 29:44
  whatever. No, that's Scaven.
• 29:46
  Yeah, yeah, Scavenir also around Scavener in the current like
• 29:52
  lore Scavener had like a huge resurgence and in like almost
• 29:56
  every single like lore thing that's come out since that
• 29:59
  happened, there is like a side note about how Scaven and gets
• 30:05
  are fighting like World War 12 like the absolute bloodiest
• 30:10
  conflict that the world has ever known completely beneath the
• 30:14
  ground where like no one else could see it like.
• 30:17
  I guess that's what you'll want to do with time.
• 30:19
  Well, it's escape and started pushing into gets territory and
• 30:22
  I'm not biased Yeah, you. Can't do that?
• 30:24
  Fucking get your own territory. Right.
• 30:27
  Mostly they push into gets territory and then they die
• 30:29
  because they don't know what mushrooms are safe to eat if
• 30:31
  they. Don't do that, they find.
• 30:34
  Somewhere. Why would you want to go with
• 30:36
  the mushrooms aren't safe to eat?
• 30:38
  I don't even like mushrooms. There's a there's AI can't
• 30:40
  remember like what it's called now, but there's a short story
• 30:44
  featuring like a Slanishi cult that's trying to like Dr.
• 30:47
  goblins out from underneath their like fortress and they go
• 30:50
  down to their tunnels and they can't help but because like
• 30:53
  excess experience, etcetera. There's like slanishy, I was
• 30:56
  good. Slanishy cults can't help but
• 30:57
  just like, eat the mushrooms that they come across.
• 31:00
  Really hope they're psychedelics.
• 31:01
  Yeah, well, they are psychedelics, but they just have
• 31:03
  like the most absolutely nightmarish, like bad trip you
• 31:07
  can imagine. Yeah.
• 31:09
  Someone get the orange slices. Just come here.
• 31:11
  You'll be. Fine.
• 31:12
  Well, the the other Slaneshi cultists aren't the people who
• 31:15
  find them. The goblins find them while
• 31:16
  they're on that horrible bad trip.
• 31:18
  And yeah, it's a whole thing. It sucks to be a Yep.
• 31:22
  So I don't feel that bad. Yeah, not no.
• 31:26
  Dinkhold Trongos have a fascinating quirk where they
• 31:31
  yeah, they have a fascinating quirk where they like goldfish
• 31:35
  grow or shrink to match their like enclosure.
• 31:38
  OK. Like as in compared to a
• 31:42
  goldfish not like as in they just like goldfish?
• 31:44
  No, no. I.
• 31:45
  Think your I thought that was the period.
• 31:48
  Like my brain was like, they just like.
• 31:50
  Goldfish. They probably also like
• 31:51
  goldfish. Yeah, and.
• 31:53
  They grow, Yeah, OK. Yeah, So shrink.
• 31:56
  Yeah, if you put goldfish in a bowl that's too small, they'll
• 31:58
  like shrink down a little bit. It's not like dramatic, but
• 32:01
  yeah, yeah, dank holds, we'll do that as well.
• 32:04
  Like that's probably about the average size for a dank hold.
• 32:07
  But we have, I don't have him in my notes because he's like very,
• 32:10
  very minor character. But there's a dank hold Tragoth
• 32:13
  named Molag who's no, he's just small.
• 32:18
  His, yeah, his his like, tunnel partially collapsed while he was
• 32:22
  sleeping and his body just like shrunk to better fit the
• 32:25
  environment. So he's like a little bitty Dang
• 32:27
  cold Trogoth, which is very funny.
• 32:28
  That's delightful. I'm a big fan.
• 32:30
  We have examples of really big Trogoths because they just fell
• 32:34
  asleep in a big cave and, like, grew to match their environment.
• 32:38
  Dangles mostly just kind of want to sleep.
• 32:40
  Like, they're the most. Yeah, they're the most like
• 32:46
  generally and like dank Holtz can sleep forever like you, you
• 32:50
  there are definitely dank Holtz who have been asleep like since
• 32:52
  the age of myth just cause nothing is like bothered them
• 32:55
  just hanging out. But dank holes are also because
• 33:01
  their propensity for very long lives and because of some crook
• 33:04
  of their biology, they're also the most attuned to the realms
• 33:07
  that they live within. So they tend to take on aspects
• 33:10
  of the magic of the realms they live within.
• 33:12
  Again, we don't have models. Games Workshop but right, But we
• 33:17
  have descriptions in lore of like Dang called trogos of Olgu
• 33:21
  who can fully submerge themselves in shadow, right?
• 33:24
  So you have this 14 foot tall like troll who can just
• 33:28
  completely like emerge from a shadow on the ground, right?
• 33:31
  It's very good. We have Trogos of Akshi who's
• 33:37
  veins are filled with fire and can like wade through lava
• 33:40
  streams. It's very good shamanish dank
• 33:45
  holds who have these like huge metal like just like protrusions
• 33:50
  growing out of their skin and like crazy stuff that I would
• 33:54
  love to see modelled. But I'm sure it's just a
• 33:57
  opportunity for interesting modelling for players.
• 34:01
  Make your own dank hold with metal protrusions.
• 34:07
  Some dank holds because dank holds are most likely to live
• 34:09
  the longest. Dank holds who gain like a
• 34:13
  propensity for like directing other trog offs come to be known
• 34:16
  as trog bosses and and there's not.
• 34:20
  There's not like a ton of finesse to leading troggs
• 34:24
  generally, it's just that you're very loud and also a trog.
• 34:29
  Unless the yeah, the Wizards to believe believed are to be
• 34:32
  believed in. It's all an act.
• 34:33
  In which case, maybe the Troggs just only like listening to
• 34:35
  other Troggs because no one else is on their level.
• 34:40
  Yeah. But yeah, the the bosses are
• 34:42
  generally seem to be portrayed that they're just like on the
• 34:45
  level of like what is going to motivate Troggs better than.
• 34:48
  Because usually when like other got, like when goblins fight
• 34:51
  alongside Troggs, usually the strategy is just like, we're
• 34:53
  going to let the Troggs do whatever over there and we're
• 34:57
  going to go somewhere else and let you know.
• 34:59
  Exactly. And then our last, like, normal
• 35:03
  variety of Trog, because the real big guy there in the back
• 35:06
  is a named character. So we're going to talk about him
• 35:08
  in our famous faces. Yeah.
• 35:10
  The last, like major variety are Trogoth hags.
• 35:15
  Those are. Yeah.
• 35:20
  She's a she is a hag in the, like witchy sense.
• 35:26
  Like, these are the kinds of frogs that can do magic.
• 35:30
  They're in. Whole ash tree is her magic.
• 35:32
  Wand Yep truck with hacks are in a little bit of like a weird
• 35:36
  lore limbo because like officially their model has been
• 35:39
  discontinued and has been for a while now.
• 35:43
  So like they they don't have a model that can't be really like
• 35:45
  played in game anymore, but they still appear in like lore
• 35:49
  material like relatively recently.
• 35:51
  I think my conspiracy brain is that they're going to bring them
• 35:55
  back at some point, and so they want to keep that, like, door
• 35:57
  open, yeah. I feel like if you're going to.
• 36:00
  Right. And they got to be coming back
• 36:02
  eventually. And in gameplay terms, it would
• 36:04
  give like all troll armies like a native wizard where you
• 36:08
  wouldn't have to bring like a goblin to have a wizard access.
• 36:12
  But for right now, they're just. So you can't play this gal.
• 36:16
  No, well, she's actually, she's not on her like old correct base
• 36:19
  size. I put her on a smaller base so
• 36:21
  that if I do want to play her, I can just play her as a Dang cold
• 36:23
  truck off. She's on the same base as track
• 36:25
  there. Yeah.
• 36:27
  Wait. Wait, Syndicate what they do?
• 36:30
  Yeah, bases have gameplay purpose.
• 36:32
  What? Yeah, Age of Sigmar isn't played
• 36:34
  on like a grid or anything. There's not like spaces on a
• 36:36
  board. And so like a model that has a
• 36:40
  bigger base is going to be able to like if she had an ability
• 36:43
  that's like, OK, all trolls within 10 inches of her do a
• 36:46
  thing. And her being on a bigger base
• 36:48
  is significant for that because it means that she gets a bigger
• 36:51
  area that she covers for 10 inches away.
• 36:54
  Right. And dank hold trog bosses in
• 36:58
  game do have abilities like that where it's like oh all troggs
• 37:00
  within 12 inches of this guy get an extra attack and it's.
• 37:04
  Like within the edge of the base, not the edge of like the
• 37:07
  actual model. Yes, it is.
• 37:09
  You measure from the edge of the base.
• 37:10
  Yeah, OK. Yeah.
• 37:12
  So being on the right base size is generally the main because
• 37:15
  like people like to it's called proxying when you play like 1
• 37:18
  model is another model. So like that's technically what
• 37:20
  she is right now is she's a proxy for a Dang cold because
• 37:23
  she's the wrong model. But yeah, people like to proxy
• 37:25
  all the time and generally for gameplay reasons, the main
• 37:27
  consideration is base size because like it would be like if
• 37:33
  you had like a really big, high damage melee piece, it could be
• 37:37
  like beneficial to put them on a very small base so it's easier
• 37:40
  for them to like hide in like alleyways and hallways and
• 37:42
  stuff. It's hard to get to them.
• 37:45
  Or like if you had something that's really good at handing
• 37:47
  out buffs that's normally on a tiny base, it'd be advantageous
• 37:50
  to put them on a huge base so that their buffs like go further
• 37:52
  and stuff. But yeah, a little bit of AOS
• 37:58
  knowledge. Yeah, AOS game knowledge there.
• 38:00
  Yeah. If.
• 38:00
  They reintroduced the the hack and you were able to play it.
• 38:04
  Would it be difficult for you to swap her back to a different
• 38:06
  base? No, not at all.
• 38:08
  I still have her old base. And they might, yeah, they might
• 38:12
  put her on a different base size even then, just because for
• 38:15
  balance reasons or whatever, she used to be on a huge base.
• 38:19
  Yeah, yeah. So yeah, Trogathacks generally
• 38:25
  commune with Shayish. So they have this like weird
• 38:28
  thing where they're like witchy, but they're also a little bit
• 38:31
  like they don't, they don't necromance.
• 38:33
  It seems like it's not possible to necromance like troll remains
• 38:37
  again, see that like they know what they are too strongly.
• 38:42
  But she seems to be able to commune with like troll souls
• 38:45
  and stuff to like guide, help guide them to their proper
• 38:48
  afterlife or to like, you know, throw the bones and do some
• 38:52
  yeah, do some future reading and stuff.
• 38:55
  So again, it's that like intelligence thing where like
• 38:58
  Tragoth hags are definitely above average for trolls just
• 39:00
  because they're able to do magic.
• 39:02
  But also they're like, yeah, they're doing prophecy and like,
• 39:05
  communing with spirits and stuff and like, that's cool.
• 39:09
  I really want her to get like reintroduced to the game so I
• 39:12
  could. Play her again.
• 39:14
  So I used to play her a lot in like early 3rd edition because
• 39:17
  it's cool having a troll wizard in my list.
• 39:21
  Usually the downside to having a wizard is that they can do magic
• 39:24
  and they die if a strong breeze comes past them.
• 39:27
  But she's a troll, so she's big and tough and that doesn't
• 39:30
  happen to her. Is that why you think the
• 39:32
  character or the I guess the class type got phased out was
• 39:35
  because is wizard butt too too bulky?
• 39:38
  I don't think so, her main her main sin for getting removed
• 39:42
  from the game was that her model was ancient and so yeah, they
• 39:46
  don't. That's the.
• 39:47
  This actually isn't an official Games Workshop Trogoth hag, it's
• 39:52
  the one that my buddy 3D printed for me.
• 39:54
  She's made of resin, yes, but the old one was also made of
• 39:58
  resin, back from the days when originally she was made of
• 40:00
  metal. Because that's the yeah, that's
• 40:03
  the GW started with metal miniatures and so her sculpt was
• 40:07
  ancient and looked kind of bad. And so they they definitely just
• 40:12
  wanted to remove from the game. So they there wasn't a like
• 40:16
  Games Workshop has financial reasons for not wanting to
• 40:18
  incentivize people to buy like bad looking old models just
• 40:22
  because they're good for game reasons, right?
• 40:25
  Like. So they were to introduce, would
• 40:28
  you be able to continue to use this model on the correct base
• 40:31
  or would it be like considered frowned upon?
• 40:33
  Generally the rule is like fan turn fan run tournaments and
• 40:36
  stuff Gen. tend to be pretty chill with all that kind of
• 40:39
  stuff. I couldn't use her in like a an
• 40:41
  official Games Workshop establishment is generally the
• 40:44
  the rule games workshop plastic is the the the rule games
• 40:50
  workshop plastic and or resin because they do still sell some
• 40:52
  resin miniatures. Yeah, usually older stuff,
• 40:56
  because a plastic injection mold is a very different from a resin
• 41:02
  mold for like miniature production.
• 41:03
  So yeah. But yeah, she's the only, she's
• 41:08
  not an official Games Workshop resin, but she's the only resin
• 41:11
  model. No, that's not true.
• 41:14
  I've got some old old resin orcs as well, back from when they
• 41:18
  could be played, but that's. Is it vexing?
• 41:23
  Sorry, no, I know we keep asking a lot of games.
• 41:25
  No, I love it mechanic. Stuff that we usually don't get
• 41:27
  into, but like this is the thing you actually do.
• 41:29
  So I feel like that's also reason why I'm like wanting to.
• 41:32
  Ask yeah, please. Is it vexing as a player to when
• 41:36
  that's like, oh you can't do this anymore because it's on the
• 41:38
  rules like? Yeah, that's that's one of the I
• 41:44
  would say there's a lot of reasons why I really, really
• 41:46
  like this hobby and I really, really like this game.
• 41:49
  And one of the big things that makes me frustrated is when
• 41:54
  stuff like that happens when they say, OK, this model is too
• 41:58
  old so we're going to pull it. And that means that like we're
• 42:01
  phasing out its rules. Like you get X amount of more
• 42:04
  time where they'll be like semi legal and then we'll leave them
• 42:07
  up but they won't be like legal for tournament play anymore.
• 42:11
  But like for all intents and purposes this is being removed
• 42:15
  from the game. And like I'm new enough into the
• 42:19
  hobby I got into it in 2020 that that is not a thing I run into.
• 42:23
  Much. Yeah.
• 42:25
  Oh yes. Continue.
• 42:28
  On yeah, so that's that's not a situation that I have run into
• 42:30
  like too terribly much. Like I said, Trogathag there is
• 42:34
  an example, but again, she's not like a genuine Games Workshop
• 42:37
  manager. So even that was like a not a
• 42:40
  thing where I went out and bought like a genuine trial.
• 42:43
  Yeah, but there's definitely been like I know there are
• 42:47
  people who maybe had huge chunks of their like army or their even
• 42:53
  their whole army get caught in the like raid blast radius or
• 42:57
  something like that. Where just when they bought
• 43:00
  these models, they were newer and looked fine.
• 43:03
  But now it's been 15 years, like maybe they were some of their
• 43:07
  old like Warhammer fantasy models and Games Workshop
• 43:10
  doesn't want to sell them anymore because they have a
• 43:12
  repetition to uphold is like really high crack quality like
• 43:16
  model makers is. That also it like when they they
• 43:19
  look bad because they they've gotten better.
• 43:22
  Yeah, yes, that's usually, it's usually like a, a matter of like
• 43:27
  the models have improved and Games Workshop doesn't want
• 43:29
  something that looks really new and flashy and nice on the shelf
• 43:32
  next to something that looks like it was made in 2001, which
• 43:38
  some models do because they were.
• 43:42
  But sometimes it's also like a, a changing cultural thing.
• 43:46
  I I've kind of danced around a bit people who are familiar with
• 43:48
  the old Trogoth Hag model. Probably the main reason the old
• 43:52
  Trogoth Hag model got cut is because mine's more dressed than
• 43:56
  the official 1 is really. Oh, OK.
• 44:01
  And it is like, she's not a a pin up catalog by any means.
• 44:05
  It's meant to be like a monstrous mother kind of trope.
• 44:09
  But like, she's definitely like mostly nude in her original
• 44:15
  Games Workshop official model. And so like, that's also part of
• 44:18
  it. Oh yeah.
• 44:21
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, OK.
• 44:26
  Yeah, I can see the yeah, I would like her a lot less.
• 44:31
  Yeah, Yep. Because I was like, oh, she's
• 44:34
  got like this like saggy top going on.
• 44:36
  And I'm like, I I love her fashion.
• 44:38
  I'm so into it. So instantly looking at the
• 44:40
  original like actual model, I'm like, Hey, this one, this one
• 44:44
  kind of sucks. And she's not wearing a top.
• 44:46
  And not because Oh no boobs or Oh no.
• 44:48
  Saggy boobs. It's just weird anytime the lady
• 44:52
  model doesn't get to wear a top regardless of her state of
• 44:56
  boobies. OK.
• 44:58
  OK, interesting. And that represents like a
• 45:01
  Shipton. And here's the here's the real
• 45:03
  kicker is that like mine, the 3D printed one, the the model that
• 45:09
  the 3D print is based off of is actually like the newer Tragoth
• 45:13
  Hag model from like some of the video games set in the old
• 45:15
  world. And so like, that is like an
• 45:17
  official Games Workshop design of what she would look like if
• 45:20
  she came back in the modern day is the one that I have.
• 45:25
  It's just that, yeah, the old one was made under a very
• 45:28
  different like sensibility of like, we're going to have this.
• 45:32
  What what is meant to sell like kind of gross like vibe is the.
• 45:39
  Idea, right? It is also weird for Charles.
• 45:45
  Aren't mammals? No, no.
• 45:47
  Yeah, ever. To have breasts like in general.
• 45:49
  Yeah, that's part of the. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:53
  That's part of the little. Bob is doing that just.
• 45:55
  Fine, yeah, she's great. That's, yeah, part of the, like
• 45:58
  I said, the weird sexual dimorphism despite them like
• 46:01
  very clearly not having that be a thing that they should have.
• 46:04
  Yeah, again, it's a weird. It's part of why I think the
• 46:07
  original model was retired and we'll maybe get it back at some
• 46:09
  point in like a very different form.
• 46:11
  Right. Yeah.
• 46:12
  Interesting. OK, OK.
• 46:13
  Yeah, Yeah. You don't have to feeding young
• 46:18
  mammals, right, Right. If you do not have a species
• 46:21
  that has young that needs to be red because they just climb out
• 46:24
  of holes, it sounds like fully formed as trolls, yeah.
• 46:27
  Pretty much. You do have troglets.
• 46:29
  We we have trogle. Trogle is the term for a baby
• 46:32
  troll. That's what they emerge as.
• 46:34
  We're not talking about them yet, but the huge troll in the
• 46:36
  back there has a trogle in his antlers.
• 46:40
  Do they wait? Do they?
• 46:41
  But they're not mammals, do they?
• 46:43
  Do they need milk? Who takes care of?
• 46:44
  The Troglets, they they just eat whatever.
• 46:47
  They just like forage eat. They're no, no, yeah, they're a
• 46:50
  little Grogu. Basically they just kind of eat
• 46:52
  whatever they can put in their mouths.
• 46:53
  I love them yeah, they're great. We.
• 46:57
  We can move on. Now, Thank you.
• 46:58
  No, no, it's a good question and it's yeah, it's the thing that's
• 47:01
  happened with like other. Like I said, sometimes whole
• 47:03
  armies get taken out of the game just because they're entirely
• 47:06
  made of old models and they'd be a decades long project to try
• 47:10
  and like, refurbish the whole thing.
• 47:12
  That happened recently to Beasts of Chaos.
• 47:15
  Yeah, the dawn of 4th edition Beasts of Chaos got removed from
• 47:19
  the game because they were all old resin, not resin, but
• 47:22
  they're old, old plastic sculpts and they didn't really fit into
• 47:26
  a lot of the like, vibe and aesthetic and stuff.
• 47:30
  And we'll probably get them back at some point because there's a
• 47:32
  bunch of lower stuff hinting at them undergoing some kind of
• 47:35
  like, chaotic grand rebirth, right?
• 47:37
  Because it also would it be incorrect to say it's also just
• 47:40
  like the capitalist incentive of like, encouraging players to
• 47:43
  constantly be buying. New ones. 100% that, yeah.
• 47:46
  Like you can't, Just like I've built my, I have my army and I'm
• 47:49
  very happy with it and I've got and I'm just going to leave it
• 47:52
  like this forever because there's a really good chance
• 47:54
  that five years down the road maybe you can't play half of it
• 47:57
  anymore. Yeah, there's definitely a
• 47:59
  little bit. I think people tend to ascribe
• 48:01
  more of that than I think is real.
• 48:03
  Like a lot of people like to say like, oh, this is Games
• 48:06
  Workshops grand scheme to make us all have to buy like a
• 48:09
  bajillion models. And I don't think that's quite
• 48:11
  true. Like if they push that too hard,
• 48:14
  just no one would play their game.
• 48:16
  Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 48:18
  They don't. They don't actively make the
• 48:20
  battery stop working to force you to buy the new iPhone.
• 48:22
  It's just eventually they're going to stop letting the rules
• 48:26
  for your guy be the rules for the guy.
• 48:28
  Or they'll they'll update it to a newer sculpt, which is what I
• 48:32
  would argue happens more often. So like like orcs, one of the
• 48:38
  clans of works, Iron jaws, like big armored ones.
• 48:41
  They're like basic foot troop hard boys, an old model that was
• 48:46
  the like old fantasy, like elite orc troupe.
• 48:50
  And it's it's old. It shows that they just got real
• 48:52
  bulky, kind of like geometric like armor and stuff and still
• 48:57
  like a pretty good model. But I think like 2 years ago
• 49:00
  they came out with a brand new like hard boys sculpt that's
• 49:04
  like very top of the line, like very detailed, very dynamic
• 49:08
  poses and stuff. And in situations like that, I
• 49:12
  still play my old like art boys. Yeah.
• 49:15
  And I've all mixed them together because I think that's
• 49:17
  interesting. You can tell a little bit of a
• 49:19
  narrative there of like, oh, here's the new recruits learning
• 49:22
  from the old, like, yeah, old guys refusing to give up their
• 49:26
  cube shaped armor. Yeah.
• 49:28
  So. But when a newer version of a
• 49:30
  model is released, that doesn't necessarily mean you are not
• 49:32
  allowed to play the. Older.
• 49:33
  No, explicitly the opposite. As long as it's GW plastic, it's
• 49:37
  good, yeah. As long as the the rules are
• 49:39
  still in the game, yes. The Hagwitch rules, Hagtroth
• 49:43
  rules, Trogoth. Trogoth rules are not in the
• 49:46
  game. Even if you had the one that's
• 49:47
  the actual GW plastic, you couldn't play her.
• 49:49
  She's not in the game anymore. Yeah, but these guys, even
• 49:51
  though they're older, they are still in the game.
• 49:53
  Yeah. And it doesn't matter that
• 49:54
  there's a newer model. It's fine.
• 49:56
  They're still playable. Yeah.
• 49:58
  OK. Interesting.
• 49:59
  Yeah, and the like I said you can always.
• 50:01
  Some people I know with like Beasts of Chaos armies have just
• 50:04
  start playing them as like Warriors of Chaos armies where
• 50:08
  you already have your like unarmored like tribesmen and
• 50:11
  like a Warriors of Chaos army who are your like foot
• 50:13
  skirmishers and stuff and you just swapping beastmen for them
• 50:17
  instead. And now it's like a fun lore
• 50:19
  thing where it's like, oh, this faction of the Warriors of Chaos
• 50:22
  use beastmen for their like scout infantry instead of like
• 50:25
  normal humans and like, that's cool you.
• 50:28
  Can take a so you can take a figure you have and even though
• 50:31
  like the piece of chaos is no longer in the game, you can
• 50:34
  still use that if you are using like this is just.
• 50:37
  Represented comparable, yeah, yeah, is the idea.
• 50:39
  Like you probably couldn't play them as like dwarfs, but even
• 50:42
  then, like maybe yeah, base size is the important.
• 50:46
  Part just basically like doing a reskin of an existing yes rule
• 50:50
  type on these figures, yeah. OK, 100%.
• 50:55
  But yeah, the last like big gits thing, the last big gits group
• 51:01
  we're going to talk about before we get to our famous faces are
• 51:05
  Git mob. These are our wolf ride in sun
• 51:10
  goblins. That's very cool.
• 51:12
  Yes, I am a big fan. So gloomspite call hish.
• 51:18
  They call the sun glare face Frazzle Git good name.
• 51:23
  Yep, they don't like him because he makes their skin hurt.
• 51:27
  They don't. They have sun sensitivity.
• 51:29
  Get some SPF up in here babe. SCON Protection SCON.
• 51:32
  Protection SCON protection you need.
• 51:34
  To use some SCON protection, get some spin care going on.
• 51:38
  Most goblins deal with that by living underground, like only
• 51:41
  coming out in the dark. Gitmob decided they were going
• 51:44
  to try and like tough it out so they moved to Hish and they live
• 51:50
  on the side to show it how cool they are I.
• 51:55
  Love. That for them.
• 51:58
  So yeah, rather than cower with it, they move to hisch.
• 52:01
  They try and, like, inure themselves against it, yeah.
• 52:03
  How do you go about moving realms?
• 52:05
  Realm gates, the the huge, yeah, the huge portals that connect.
• 52:08
  Do they have? Realms.
• 52:10
  No, they just go. They just go some.
• 52:12
  A lot of realm gates are well guarded.
• 52:14
  The main tribe of Gitmob actually have their own realm
• 52:17
  gates that links Akshi to Hitch and that's like where they
• 52:21
  crossed over originally. And a lot of this also happened
• 52:24
  like during the age of myth and stuff where like Rome gates were
• 52:26
  less well guarded and you just. Kind of.
• 52:28
  Do yeah, you just do whatever. Yeah, but like, didn't need.
• 52:31
  Any paperwork or path? No, you need.
• 52:33
  To fill out any forms about we're going to move to Hitch.
• 52:36
  Yeah. If you're doing it, if you're
• 52:38
  doing it efficiently, like if you're doing it through like a
• 52:40
  realm gate, the like Sigmar controls, then yes, absolutely.
• 52:43
  So much paperwork in bureaucracy is the God of civilization.
• 52:47
  But no, there's still plenty of Rome gates that aren't under the
• 52:49
  control of anybody in particular, just usually because
• 52:52
  they don't lead anywhere important.
• 52:54
  Like you don't put a toll on a road that leads to nowhere.
• 52:57
  And then yeah, there's like the big Rome gates in actually that
• 53:00
  leads to Hisch the like the biggest tribe of git mob like
• 53:03
  has control over, which is interesting.
• 53:06
  Once they get to Hisch like they live there for a little bit, it
• 53:08
  makes them like a little bit bigger, a little bit like
• 53:11
  tougher than other gets because they're like being more
• 53:13
  physically active and they're like enduring the like light.
• 53:18
  And they very quickly make allegiance with Snarl things,
• 53:22
  which are what those wolves are called the yes, they're wolves,
• 53:26
  but they're weird. Like snarl things are venomous.
• 53:31
  Yes, wonderful. They're venomous, they are
• 53:36
  dubiously intelligent, is how I have it in my notes.
• 53:39
  There's like a bunch of stuff that points to snarl things.
• 53:41
  Being able to like reason and like do like complex problem
• 53:46
  solving and stuff. And then a lot of stuff that
• 53:48
  part points to snarl fangs just being wolves.
• 53:51
  And so like it's unclear how much of what 1's which, but they
• 53:59
  make like an allegiance slash, like tame slash start working
• 54:03
  with these huge wolves. They develop this kind of like
• 54:06
  nomadic rating culture and their main goal is that they want to
• 54:11
  steal as much like shiny like metal and stone and stuff as
• 54:19
  they can. Because git mob magic revolves
• 54:22
  entirely around making stuff light absorbent because they
• 54:26
  want to make so much stuff so light absorbent that they
• 54:31
  eventually steal all of the light of hish and make it go
• 54:35
  dark. Which would that work?
• 54:39
  Who's to say? Yeah.
• 54:41
  Who's to say? Maybe.
• 54:42
  Yeah, OK. But so that leads to if you see
• 54:45
  on their models, they have a lot of like little, like they'll
• 54:48
  have like big flat panels of metal or metal that carved into
• 54:51
  like sun visages and stuff. Yeah, those are the kind of
• 54:54
  things they enchant to like capture and store sunlight.
• 54:57
  Interesting. And usually they're pretty
• 54:59
  volatile like goblins are better at magic than a lot of like
• 55:03
  their cohorts, but they're still like great at magic.
• 55:05
  So like a lot of the time of solid smack to one of those like
• 55:09
  light capturing plates will just make it discharge all the
• 55:12
  sunlight it's captured and fry everything near it.
• 55:16
  And sometimes that's an accidental, sometimes that's
• 55:19
  intentional, sometimes it's. A bug?
• 55:22
  Sometimes it's a feature, but it means that when git mob are like
• 55:28
  outrating and out stealing stuff and whatnot, they're evaluating
• 55:30
  it entirely by how like shiny it is, how easy it is for it to
• 55:36
  capture like sunlight. That makes sense.
• 55:39
  Which leads to a very funny they live in these.
• 55:42
  Like they still live in caves because they do have to get out
• 55:44
  of the sun occasionally and like the wolves want to live in
• 55:46
  caves, but they tend to live like closer to the surface.
• 55:51
  And there's, it's like an open secret that like, if you have
• 55:56
  the the guts for it, rating a git mob cave is very likely to
• 56:00
  get you just, like absolutely spectacular treasures that the
• 56:04
  git mob have no, like, protection for because they
• 56:08
  don't value them at all. I'm like you, you finding like a
• 56:11
  extremely powerful wizard staff that they're just like, thrown
• 56:14
  into a corner somewhere because it doesn't reflect sunlight.
• 56:17
  Yeah, Yeah. This is not useful to them.
• 56:20
  No, Absolutely. So Gitmobs still worship the bad
• 56:25
  moon like all goblins do. It's just that they've
• 56:27
  approached it from a direction of.
• 56:29
  There's a really good quote in the in the most recent like lore
• 56:34
  book for gits that I like where it talks about like when you
• 56:39
  when you have like a human tribe that paints like visages of like
• 56:43
  demons on their Shields, it's not because they like demons,
• 56:47
  It's not because they worship demons.
• 56:49
  It's because they want to present something like fierce
• 56:51
  and intimidating to their foe. And so Gitmob put the sun on all
• 56:55
  their stuff, not because they like the sun, they hate the sun,
• 56:59
  but the sun is the thing bullying their God.
• 57:02
  And to them that's like, wow, what an incredible like foe,
• 57:09
  right? But Gitmob don't have we talked
• 57:15
  about Gabapalooza last time, the like the poison guy and the the
• 57:19
  brew guy and the guy riding the mushroom and stuff.
• 57:22
  Gabapalooza don't tend to have a typical or Gitmob don't tend to
• 57:27
  have typical Palooza instead git bomb.
• 57:30
  No no. Watts is the collective term for
• 57:34
  what the palooza does. It's the palooza know watts, git
• 57:38
  mob know watts specialize in like mechanical engineering.
• 57:43
  It is a huge status symbol to have the biggest and most
• 57:45
  impressive war Wheeler is what those are called.
• 57:50
  And so they have. They create these crazy like
• 57:52
  ramshackle contraptions like Rube Goldberg, like Chariots and
• 57:57
  like. They're pretty red.
• 57:59
  Huge fan. The most impressive of all git
• 58:04
  mob inventions is the Dune Diver catapult, which is just a
• 58:09
  massive catapult hauled by like a beast of burden.
• 58:13
  Where in the last episode we talked about fanatics like
• 58:17
  goblins that you'd hop up on goblin PCP and push out to fight
• 58:21
  the enemy. And that's the height of their
• 58:23
  life because they're striking foes down 10 times their size
• 58:27
  with their balls and chains, right?
• 58:29
  Doom Diver catapults are the same thing, except that you load
• 58:32
  them up on goblin PCP and you strap a bunch of those, like,
• 58:35
  sun storing pieces of metal to their body.
• 58:38
  And then you give them big, like flappy wings.
• 58:41
  And then you launch them out of a catapult at the enemy and they
• 58:44
  like, glide their wings into the enemy.
• 58:49
  Yep. Glide their wings into the
• 58:50
  enemy. And then they hit the ground
• 58:52
  hard and all of those sunlight capturing chunks of metal go
• 58:55
  off. Yeah, it's, it's, I mean, if
• 58:58
  you're a goblin, it's about as good as it gets.
• 59:03
  But yeah, we we got a bunch of different gitmob there, most
• 59:08
  gitmob or some variation on goblin riding a wolf.
• 59:10
  So like we have a snarl Fang riders, which is the guy with
• 59:14
  the flag there. He's who's a base coated white.
• 59:17
  That's just your basic like goblin riding a wolf.
• 59:20
  They tend to be like harass troops.
• 59:22
  They carry bows as a well as they're like Spears.
• 59:26
  So they'll like plunk a couple of arrows at a guy and then run
• 59:28
  away on their wolves. We have, I can't remember what
• 59:32
  they're called, but they're the bigger real big snarl fangs.
• 59:36
  Instead of just like training them to be special bounce for
• 59:41
  like a special goblin, they just stick 2 goblins on them, which
• 59:44
  is very funny. Yeah.
• 59:46
  They tend to be more like bigger snarl fangs, tend to be a little
• 59:48
  bit more territorial. They're actually pretty good at.
• 59:51
  Yeah, they're actually pretty good at like fighting for and
• 59:55
  controlling like objectives and stuff.
• 59:57
  And so they're more, you're like shock troops.
• 1:00:01
  Your sun, Stila Wheelas is the little cat or little chariot
• 1:00:07
  there. Yeah, they're the most loaded up
• 1:00:11
  with, Yeah, those like sun capturing pieces of metal and
• 1:00:14
  stuff. Yeah, pulled by your two
• 1:00:17
  different snarl things at once. Good at harass, good at the
• 1:00:22
  reason Chariots exist in real life and also in like game terms
• 1:00:26
  that they can hit like a line of enemies and just like smash all
• 1:00:29
  the way through and go out the other side I.
• 1:00:31
  Like how this one is like you're, you're the way you have
• 1:00:33
  your model is shifted so one of the wheels is on the ground, but
• 1:00:37
  it's like they're in a big dramatic turn.
• 1:00:39
  And so one wheel is like up in the air.
• 1:00:41
  It's very dynamic. It's good.
• 1:00:43
  It's a good model of a big failed.
• 1:00:46
  I already mentioned doom diver catapults.
• 1:00:48
  You'll get get my bosses on like big Chariots.
• 1:00:52
  And then I did want a special mention to frazzle get shamans,
• 1:00:56
  which is our guy, our guy on the big chariot there who's riding
• 1:00:59
  the like huge wolf skull. Frazzle get shamans instead of
• 1:01:04
  practicing the normal like moon and like dank magics of goblins
• 1:01:08
  do practice a form of magic about like channeling the sun
• 1:01:11
  and and the I just think it's still like we don't have a ton
• 1:01:17
  of lore about them, but they have a game effect that I think
• 1:01:19
  is so funny that it bears mentioning, which is that they
• 1:01:23
  draw so much light to themselves that it just lights them up like
• 1:01:28
  a beacon like at all times, but it physically pulls the light
• 1:01:33
  out of the space around them. So like, in game terms, other
• 1:01:36
  units close to them can't be like, seen by ranged attacks
• 1:01:41
  because they've pulled all of the light out of the, like,
• 1:01:44
  space around them. Yeah.
• 1:01:46
  So they're just this like big ball of shadow with this like
• 1:01:50
  sun bright goblin on top of that, like Sherry riding around
• 1:01:55
  which rips of a huge face. That's very cool.
• 1:01:59
  May I ask a question about your minis?
• 1:02:01
  Here of course. Did these guys recently join
• 1:02:04
  your? They did.
• 1:02:06
  They did for the do. Listener, I ask because they're
• 1:02:09
  not painted. Yes, yeah.
• 1:02:10
  I was just curious as to if this was a new addition and that is
• 1:02:14
  why or if there was not often. I was just curious as to that.
• 1:02:17
  Yeah. Yeah, the method.
• 1:02:18
  Yep, Gloomspite Gifts is my main army.
• 1:02:20
  I have pretty much all of my stuff painted, but the git mob
• 1:02:24
  stuff was a recent addition. They've been in lore for a long
• 1:02:26
  time, but they only recently got models which is very cool.
• 1:02:29
  I've been hoping for them for a while because I think they're
• 1:02:31
  neat. Yeah, this is wild.
• 1:02:33
  They have like, yeah. So some of the goblins ride
• 1:02:36
  wolves. Yep.
• 1:02:38
  Can I play those? No, we haven't.
• 1:02:39
  Made models for the. Goblins that ride wolves.
• 1:02:41
  Right. They're around, they're in lore,
• 1:02:43
  but they're not. Here yet?
• 1:02:46
  You said it was a goblin that rides a wolf.
• 1:02:48
  Yeah. Yeah, OK, I guess.
• 1:02:50
  Thanks for telling me I guess. And then the last thing we're
• 1:02:55
  going to talk about in today's episode are our famous faces.
• 1:02:59
  We're finally get into our. Yeah, it gets famous faces,
• 1:03:03
  including probably my favorite character in Age of Sigma.
• 1:03:06
  He's in a dead heat with Goddess, Goddess, Steel soul.
• 1:03:09
  He's dead heat with Goddess for opposite reasons, but we'll get
• 1:03:12
  to him last. I'm saving him for the last
• 1:03:13
  because he's my favorite. But we're going to start with
• 1:03:15
  Trug. Trug, the Trug Goth King, who is
• 1:03:19
  our huge orange Trugoth there. Yeah, he's a little lopsided, so
• 1:03:23
  be careful. He's a little a little bit
• 1:03:25
  heavier, so be careful. Yeah, his antlers catch on stuff
• 1:03:29
  pretty easily. Yeah.
• 1:03:33
  So Trug the Tragoth King. So Trug is a Dang called
• 1:03:38
  Tragoth. So he's the same kind as Thrac
• 1:03:40
  there, but he was asleep in a big cave for a long time.
• 1:03:44
  How long was he asleep in that big cave?
• 1:03:47
  Since at least the Age of Myth. And we know that because in the
• 1:03:51
  Age of Myth, someone came along and accidentally built a big
• 1:03:55
  portal on his back. Yeah, yeah, as I said, this,
• 1:03:58
  this this gentleman has a rainbow Stargate on his.
• 1:04:02
  So Trug I I'm talking about Trug first because while I love his
• 1:04:06
  model and I like playing him in game and I think he's got like a
• 1:04:10
  cool design, his lore is basically nothing.
• 1:04:13
  He's we don't know almost anything about Trug.
• 1:04:16
  Or rather, we know stuff about Trug, but he's just kind of
• 1:04:19
  boring, which hurts me to say because I love Trunks.
• 1:04:23
  Trugs are my favorite, but. And right.
• 1:04:27
  And we don't know what he think about that, which is crazy.
• 1:04:29
  Like we know stuff about that. Yeah, we know stuff about that,
• 1:04:34
  but none of it's interest. Like I think I have a light
• 1:04:39
  conspiracy theory that I think Trug was supposed to have
• 1:04:43
  different more interesting lore and then he was suffered some
• 1:04:47
  kind of rewrite to align him better with like a different
• 1:04:50
  story that was going on. Basically because he was one of
• 1:04:53
  the main antagonists in like a big event that happened near the
• 1:04:56
  end of third edition called the Dawnbringer Crusades.
• 1:05:00
  And it reduced him a little bit to just.
• 1:05:03
  So OK, let's talk about Truck before I get into my issue.
• 1:05:07
  Tell us his. Canon stuff, and then we'll get
• 1:05:09
  into it. Trug.
• 1:05:10
  Trug's been asleep for a long, long time.
• 1:05:13
  He gets found by a goblin named Bragett, Bottle Snatcher, who,
• 1:05:17
  true to his name, wants to, like, basically cause raids on
• 1:05:21
  human cities to collect bottles. Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  To steal bottles. Yep.
• 1:05:24
  Bragett's around. Bragett finds Trug.
• 1:05:27
  He's the biggest Trug he's ever seen.
• 1:05:29
  And he's like, I'm going to wake this dude up and I'm going to
• 1:05:32
  point him at a city and I'm going to like, 'cause mayhem.
• 1:05:36
  And he does that. And he is shocked that, yeah,
• 1:05:39
  like Trug is because he thought Trug was big.
• 1:05:41
  Trug is much bigger than he he thought he was.
• 1:05:44
  And he can't control him. So Trug, we get some stuff from
• 1:05:50
  Trug's perspective that, like, portal built into his back seems
• 1:05:55
  to have, like, seeped into his mind a little bit.
• 1:05:58
  It has connected him to all the Ley lines of the realms.
• 1:06:02
  And that could be interesting, but it's not.
• 1:06:04
  It just gives Trug a headache and so he goes.
• 1:06:08
  His whole thing is that he goes from like Nexus of power to
• 1:06:12
  Nexus of power places where the Ley lines like intersect and
• 1:06:15
  like destroys whatever's there trying to like quell his
• 1:06:18
  headache just. Get this man some night.
• 1:06:20
  Off right, but like, that's all we've got.
• 1:06:23
  Like that's Trug's whole motivation is that he just goes
• 1:06:26
  places and smashes stuff. Yeah.
• 1:06:28
  Lie. Down somewhere dark and cool for
• 1:06:30
  a while, he sees a really bad migraine.
• 1:06:32
  Like I said, everything cool about Trug is things that like
• 1:06:34
  happened to him. So like he was asleep on Guy
• 1:06:37
  Ran, which is why he has antlers.
• 1:06:39
  Yeah, antlers, Antlers. Are Vicks.
• 1:06:41
  No one else has antlers, and antlers are very.
• 1:06:44
  Cool. So we get a little bit of that
• 1:06:45
  like, yeah, 'cause like other Guy Ranian Dank holds will have
• 1:06:48
  antlers as well because like connection to nature.
• 1:06:51
  So Trugg has them. He's one of our few examples of
• 1:06:53
  like a Guy Ranian dank hold 'cause he was just asleep on Guy
• 1:06:56
  Ran for too long. Yeah, he's got a lot of truggle
• 1:06:59
  it chilling on his antlers, which is fun, is very good.
• 1:07:03
  His big. Like I said, someone built that
• 1:07:05
  portal on his back and he doesn't really know how to work
• 1:07:08
  it, but he has like intuited that if he smacks it, it turns
• 1:07:11
  it on, which is very fun. Yeah.
• 1:07:14
  It can't connect to all the realms.
• 1:07:16
  Specifically, the rune of Azir is missing, which makes me think
• 1:07:21
  that like I. Think someone.
• 1:07:23
  Broke that bad boy. I was going to say a storm cast
• 1:07:24
  baby came by and broke it off. Because Azir's Azir's the one
• 1:07:28
  realm like Chaos can't get into. Like there's just no ways in.
• 1:07:32
  Yeah, exactly. And so he has a fun gameplay
• 1:07:35
  effect, which is where on your turn you can have him smack the
• 1:07:38
  portal and it will connect to a random realm, and it gives him
• 1:07:41
  and all the trolls near him a buff based on that realm.
• 1:07:44
  Yeah. Like if it connects to HISH, it
• 1:07:47
  makes them all smarter, and it makes it so you don't spend
• 1:07:49
  command points if you use commands on him or the trolls
• 1:07:53
  because they're they're too clever.
• 1:07:54
  They figured it out. If it connects to old goo, it
• 1:07:57
  makes it so they can't be shot by ranged attacks because it
• 1:07:59
  cloaks them in shadow, right? If it connects to guy, Ran gives
• 1:08:04
  them extra attacks because they go like vicious and likes feral.
• 1:08:09
  Yeah, like it's interesting stuff, but like, Truck is a
• 1:08:12
  character just isn't anything. He just wanders places and
• 1:08:16
  smashes stuff and like, yeah, I guess that's kind of like what
• 1:08:20
  trolls are, but I wanted him to be more.
• 1:08:24
  He's like a lot. Of cool stuff going on.
• 1:08:25
  Yeah, he's the most ancient Dankhold we know of.
• 1:08:28
  You'd hope that he's like clever and like, knows things and has
• 1:08:32
  like, motivations. Like tell me about this troll
• 1:08:35
  who remembers when the world was young, right?
• 1:08:38
  Like and no, he just wants to go places and smash things because
• 1:08:41
  he's a bad headache. Yes, and like doesn't.
• 1:08:44
  Even look like motivation it'd be different.
• 1:08:45
  Like he smashes things because he doesn't like.
• 1:08:47
  How the world, right? Fine, Great.
• 1:08:48
  Motivation but more interesting than just bad headache because
• 1:08:50
  portable on. Bad, right, I was gonna say.
• 1:08:52
  And that's the like I said, that's why I think he might have
• 1:08:53
  been like victim of a rewrite because like the the ruins
• 1:08:57
  carved into his skin, those were carved by people who found him
• 1:09:01
  sleeping. And like that in itself is
• 1:09:03
  interesting because the portal was explicitly built on
• 1:09:05
  accident. They didn't know they built a
• 1:09:07
  portal on top of a sleeping troll.
• 1:09:10
  But the ruins are people who found him like buried and
• 1:09:13
  sleeping and like worshipped him as an idol.
• 1:09:15
  Like carved these like symbols of like bring prosperity to like
• 1:09:21
  our crops in our villages and stuff into.
• 1:09:24
  Sort of like horned like looks like a deer.
• 1:09:28
  Yeah, like, and I my thought is that I think maybe what they
• 1:09:34
  were setting up to be was some kind of like resurgent God
• 1:09:38
  beast. We we've talked about like how
• 1:09:40
  all these God beasts exist and a lot of times when one dies,
• 1:09:42
  something else will like move into its place to replace it
• 1:09:45
  because it's like cosmically important.
• 1:09:48
  I like the idea that Trugg is like some kind of ancient God
• 1:09:51
  beast and his presence just like hasn't been felt in the world
• 1:09:54
  because he's been asleep. And so in waking him up, that's
• 1:09:57
  like a huge status quo shift where maybe he can be like the
• 1:10:01
  ancient prejender God beast Troggs and like with him awake,
• 1:10:04
  they get a little bit more like maybe that reopens whatever.
• 1:10:07
  Like if it there is the like bad moon is a spaceship theory.
• 1:10:09
  Maybe that like lights up Troggs brains again and they're like
• 1:10:13
  coordinated now and they like know what's going on.
• 1:10:16
  And we just didn't get any of that.
• 1:10:17
  We just got he's a big dumb trog who wants to go back to sleep
• 1:10:20
  and he can't because he's got a headache and that's more boring.
• 1:10:24
  Like I don't dislike truck. There certainly characters I
• 1:10:27
  like less. I just things a little bit
• 1:10:29
  because I really like Troggs in general and our first big named
• 1:10:34
  character for them is just kind of nothing.
• 1:10:38
  The most basic idea of troll is big angry smash.
• 1:10:41
  Thing yeah, he's very cool. I like his model and he's fun to
• 1:10:45
  play in game. But yeah, I was hoping for more
• 1:10:48
  of a character There's there's a people are going to be mad if I
• 1:10:51
  don't mention him. We're not an old world podcast,
• 1:10:54
  but there's a troll in the old world who was smart.
• 1:10:56
  That was his thing and that's why I was hoping we would get
• 1:10:59
  like an homage that is our first like big name troll character in
• 1:11:02
  AOS that was a Throg and he was also the Trogoth king in the old
• 1:11:08
  world, frog Trog, the Trogoth king.
• 1:11:10
  And his thing was that he was born smart like he just wasn't
• 1:11:14
  dull. He was like born kind of like a
• 1:11:16
  super genius for a trog or for a troll in the old world.
• 1:11:19
  And that was his whole conniption is like he cuz he
• 1:11:23
  ended up being a follower of chaos and it was because he
• 1:11:26
  wanted to use the power the chaos gods gave him to like
• 1:11:30
  elevate his people. He's all how they got treated as
• 1:11:33
  like pests and like things to drive out of like crops and
• 1:11:36
  stuff by like the empire and whatnot.
• 1:11:37
  It's just like no, I refuse to let this be like our fate
• 1:11:40
  forever. Like, I want better for us, and
• 1:11:43
  I'm going to turn to Dark powers to do that, and it's ultimately
• 1:11:46
  going to undo me. Yeah.
• 1:11:47
  Right, right, right. And like, he can never come back
• 1:11:53
  because his soul got torn apart by chaos.
• 1:11:55
  But yeah, he killed the Sigvald in the old world.
• 1:12:01
  So our our perfect Slanishy boy. Yeah, they got they got into a
• 1:12:07
  fight and Throg smashed into pieces and the cast gods,
• 1:12:12
  Slanesh tore his soul apart over that.
• 1:12:15
  Because Slanesh likes Sigvald. Anyways, not the point.
• 1:12:17
  Not the point of this episode. But yeah, so truck's fine.
• 1:12:20
  He's I just wish he had been more.
• 1:12:22
  Yeah, a character I do quite like is Drogs the Sun Chomper.
• 1:12:30
  So that's our Yep, that's our, our, Yeah, that's our git mob
• 1:12:35
  representative. Drogs the Sun Chomper is the
• 1:12:42
  right. Drogs is the goblin.
• 1:12:45
  The snarl thing is named Jagged Snarl, and they are a team.
• 1:12:51
  We talked about the kind of dubious intelligence of Snarl
• 1:12:55
  Franks previously. Jagged Snarl is the exception.
• 1:12:57
  He is smart. He is smarter than most people.
• 1:13:01
  He is, like, hyper intelligent. Yeah.
• 1:13:04
  And my favorite thing about drugs and jagged Snarl is that
• 1:13:08
  of the two of them, Jagged Snarl is the one making decisions.
• 1:13:14
  In fact, Jagged Snarl is so much the one making decisions that
• 1:13:17
  this isn't the first drugs interesting.
• 1:13:22
  It's a very dread Captain Roberts situation where drugs
• 1:13:28
  the sun Champa has led to the biggest like git mob tribe for
• 1:13:34
  centuries, which is a lot longer than goblins normally live.
• 1:13:38
  And everyone's like wow, drugs has lived a long time and it's
• 1:13:42
  like Dang, he must just be really long lived.
• 1:13:45
  But in reality, like, there have been dozens of drugs.
• 1:13:49
  Whenever, Yeah, whatever drugs dies, Jagged Starl just goes to
• 1:13:53
  a goblin he thinks has the, like, commanding presence and
• 1:13:56
  enough. Yeah, enough, like, cleverness.
• 1:14:00
  Yes. And he just basically, like,
• 1:14:02
  hefts him onto his back and, like, your drugs now, Yeah.
• 1:14:07
  That's yeah, sure baby. That sounds like it's worked so
• 1:14:10
  far. Yeah, they've had great success
• 1:14:13
  like leading the the Git Mob clans Jagged Snarl shares like
• 1:14:18
  the rest of the git mobs compulsion to like try and make
• 1:14:21
  Hish go dark by stealing all of it sunlight because Snarl fangs
• 1:14:26
  don't like the sun either. And to that end, we don't have
• 1:14:29
  like a ton of info about them yet because they're very new.
• 1:14:31
  We only just learned about drugs with this like release of models
• 1:14:34
  and stuff, but they have some cool other stuff going on.
• 1:14:38
  Like you mentioned the big like sun metal thing on his back.
• 1:14:44
  It's actually like a Wicker weave.
• 1:14:45
  If you like look at on the back of it the the.
• 1:14:48
  Sunbeam like elements are attached to the top, but it's
• 1:14:51
  really like a braided wreath. Thing, yeah, I like the braided
• 1:14:54
  wreath. Again, there's a lot of care in
• 1:14:56
  all the Gitmob models to show the like, metal is precious.
• 1:15:00
  It's something we're enchanting to like steal sunlight.
• 1:15:03
  And so like, a lot of stuff is built out of, like, woven, yeah,
• 1:15:05
  like Wicker or like really well cared for, like wood carving and
• 1:15:10
  stuff like that. So those are called the frazzle
• 1:15:13
  fangs. They are drugs personally
• 1:15:17
  crafted like Sun Steelers. And they are made in such a way
• 1:15:21
  that he can selectively release light from them.
• 1:15:24
  Yeah. And so his thing in game is that
• 1:15:28
  if you are too close to him, he like, turns on the light just
• 1:15:34
  enough to, like, blind you and make it hard for you to, like,
• 1:15:37
  hit him and his, like, allies nearby.
• 1:15:40
  Yeah, which is very fun, but yeah, there's not a lot on drugs
• 1:15:44
  yet. We're I'm sure we'll get more
• 1:15:46
  soon 'cause he's very cool. Him and Jagged Snarl.
• 1:15:48
  And now we get to talk about the best boy number one man, the
• 1:15:54
  absolute, like I said, tied for first for me with Goddess as my
• 1:15:58
  favorite character in Age of Sigmar.
• 1:16:00
  Scrag Rot the Loon King the. Loon.
• 1:16:05
  King is very good. It's very good.
• 1:16:07
  So Scragrot is one of my favorites for the exact opposite
• 1:16:11
  reason. That Goddess is where goddess
• 1:16:14
  like, tugs at my heartstrings because he's a well meaning
• 1:16:16
  person trying to do his best in circumstances that he was not
• 1:16:19
  like trained for, like his genuineness and like care for
• 1:16:23
  the people around him, leading him to like this incredible task
• 1:16:28
  that is going to be like the rest of his life's great work.
• 1:16:31
  Scragrot's just a little scheming shit.
• 1:16:35
  He's just a little bastard that you love to hate.
• 1:16:38
  Scragr story starts very similar to a lot of other like goblins
• 1:16:43
  who end up in positions of power.
• 1:16:47
  So most goblin like shamans and stuff.
• 1:16:50
  People who commune with the bad moon to try and like ascertain
• 1:16:52
  its location. That starts with the bad moon
• 1:16:55
  speaking to them once right? It it reaches out to them and it
• 1:16:59
  tells them where it's going to be.
• 1:17:00
  And then they spend like time visions or literally a voice in
• 1:17:05
  their head or Yeah, it depends. Sometimes it's yeah, sometimes
• 1:17:10
  visions. Sometimes it's very like toss
• 1:17:12
  the bones, kind of like they see the pattern of the moon in like
• 1:17:14
  mushroom growths and they like ascertain from that it's
• 1:17:18
  mischievous. Yes, absolutely.
• 1:17:22
  Skregrat was one of those. He heard the bad moon's voice in
• 1:17:26
  his mind. It told him where it was going
• 1:17:28
  to be and he like led his clan to where it arrived and they
• 1:17:32
  had. Like a.
• 1:17:33
  Spaceship right kind. Of just like that element really
• 1:17:37
  just give like spaceship motherboard.
• 1:17:39
  A yeah, I think it's a good theory.
• 1:17:43
  Like a lot of people like it. Scraggart led his like clan to
• 1:17:48
  where the Bad Moon was going to arrive.
• 1:17:49
  They had a very successful like battle there, empowered by the
• 1:17:52
  Bad Moon, and everyone went great.
• 1:17:55
  Scraggart's going to be because like that happens frequently
• 1:17:58
  enough that people are like, cool.
• 1:17:59
  Scrag Rod is one of these like Moon Clan Wizards who can like
• 1:18:03
  ascertain the moon's position. That's not usually a very
• 1:18:07
  reliable thing. Like you hear the moon and then
• 1:18:10
  you, you can, you know, throw the bones, read the entrails,
• 1:18:14
  like try and ascertain its direction.
• 1:18:16
  And most goblins have like a 40% success rate.
• 1:18:19
  It's it's still tough to do even when you know what you're doing,
• 1:18:22
  even when you have a connection to the bad moon, because the bad
• 1:18:24
  moon's a little shit as well. And it's not always going to be
• 1:18:26
  like up front with you. Where Scrag Rod differs is that
• 1:18:32
  that is the last time he ever heard the moon.
• 1:18:39
  He doesn't have any connection to the bad moon.
• 1:18:43
  He's a big fraud and I love him for so.
• 1:18:48
  So from that moment, right there are two directions where Scrag
• 1:18:53
  Rod's life could go. He could join like the the cabal
• 1:18:58
  of like moon predicting Wizards. He could learn the study of
• 1:19:00
  magic in like Ori and like all or augury and like all that
• 1:19:05
  stuff. He could land his like maybe 20%
• 1:19:09
  prediction rate because he doesn't actually have a genuine
• 1:19:11
  connection to the moon and he's probably getting stabbed because
• 1:19:14
  he's not successful enough and someone's going to use his body
• 1:19:16
  to like promote themselves or whatever.
• 1:19:19
  He lives a short, relatively lower, like he could move out to
• 1:19:23
  a clan where they don't have any like good Wizards and live like
• 1:19:28
  an unfulfilled life is like some third rate like servant to a
• 1:19:32
  goblin clan out in the middle of nowhere.
• 1:19:36
  Basically. There's just all these branching
• 1:19:38
  paths of like what Scragrot does with his life from that point
• 1:19:40
  using this one opportunity that's been given to him.
• 1:19:43
  And Scragrot says I'm going to take that and I'm going to do
• 1:19:47
  every devious, cunning, like insane thing I can think of to
• 1:19:52
  secure my future off that one fortunate event, no matter what
• 1:19:56
  I have to do to get it. And that's what he does
• 1:20:02
  originally. It starts off pretty simple.
• 1:20:06
  Scragger's other big claim, and I'm going to mention it, even
• 1:20:09
  though it doesn't like come up a ton in the rest of his lore, his
• 1:20:13
  crown is not a crown. It's mushrooms.
• 1:20:18
  The night that he got that first message from the bad moon, he
• 1:20:22
  had like, mushrooms growing out of his forehead and he just let
• 1:20:26
  them grow. And so that is the formation of
• 1:20:29
  his crown. And it is part of what augments
• 1:20:32
  is like, incredible magic powers.
• 1:20:34
  He is a very good wizard, to be fair.
• 1:20:37
  And part of that is like brain augmenting mushroom magic, which
• 1:20:41
  is fun. Yeah, he found that a grand loon
• 1:20:47
  cap is the mushroom on the end of his staff is also a symbol of
• 1:20:50
  his authority. He uses that to augment his like
• 1:20:52
  magic. And he himself made his other
• 1:20:56
  like little implement there. The little like, skull staff
• 1:21:00
  he's got in his other hand, the babbling wand, it's very good.
• 1:21:07
  But so Scribe Rod, yeah, was not content to live out a quiet
• 1:21:11
  life. He was not content to, like,
• 1:21:12
  ride this one victory into, like, mediocrity.
• 1:21:15
  He starts scheming and plotting. And originally what that looks
• 1:21:20
  like is he starts just collecting all of the, like
• 1:21:23
  Wizards you can find that do truly hear, like, the moon's
• 1:21:26
  voice and, like, cross referencing them.
• 1:21:29
  Basically not, Yeah, not content to just have like one or two
• 1:21:32
  Wizards around and then you either listen to one or listen
• 1:21:34
  to the other as advisors. But getting all of what all of
• 1:21:38
  them have have to say, looking for where they overlap, and then
• 1:21:42
  making his predictions based off that, That seems like a really.
• 1:21:46
  Good way to. Do it.
• 1:21:47
  Yeah, Smart. Two issues with that.
• 1:21:50
  One, all goblins are schemers and all those Wizards see what
• 1:21:54
  scragrots doing, and they go, I could do that.
• 1:21:58
  That's not that hard to do. And two, he's doing that as an
• 1:22:02
  equal. He's saying, Hey, I heard the
• 1:22:04
  moon and I, I had this idea for a thing that we could all do as
• 1:22:07
  all people who hear the moon. But the more he does that, the
• 1:22:10
  more it becomes clear to the others.
• 1:22:11
  Like you can't hear anything, like you're not like connected
• 1:22:15
  to the moon at all. Why should you be in charge of
• 1:22:18
  this? And so originally it's it's like
• 1:22:23
  a retributive thing. Square Rod is very skilled in
• 1:22:26
  magic. We just can't hear the moon.
• 1:22:28
  And so he kills that original like cabal of Wizards.
• 1:22:32
  They they they learn too much. Yeah, and he does it through
• 1:22:35
  like fungal magic where he basically zombifies them.
• 1:22:40
  Yeah, it's bad, the zombie. Mushroom thing is my.
• 1:22:43
  Least favorite song? Oh, I'm sorry.
• 1:22:44
  Oh. You're good, you're good.
• 1:22:46
  It's just like, I hate it. And so because I'm so deeply
• 1:22:51
  terrified of. That that.
• 1:22:54
  Scares me on a fundamentally psychological level.
• 1:23:01
  But I'm a tiptoe around a little bit then cuz it's gonna be a
• 1:23:04
  part of Scragrust. No, no, it's fine now that I'm
• 1:23:06
  prepared. OK, OK, jump scared.
• 1:23:08
  Me, I wasn't listen like I hate the the the the the ants that
• 1:23:13
  they turn into mushroom zombie thing like I fucking hate that
• 1:23:15
  that's just a thing. Yep, that happens in our world
• 1:23:18
  cuz obviously I'm so terrified of it happening to me.
• 1:23:20
  Yeah, I cannot play the Last of Us.
• 1:23:22
  I will not. Watch the last Absolutely.
• 1:23:23
  And I handle that absolutely. Isn't like zombie things in
• 1:23:26
  general, Like that's just in general.
• 1:23:27
  It's not my vibe, but like that thing in particular I find so
• 1:23:31
  deeply terrifying. Absolutely.
• 1:23:33
  Now that it's here, it's it's fine.
• 1:23:34
  It can't get me. It's not real.
• 1:23:35
  Yeah, in this context. Don't exist.
• 1:23:38
  He he just like gets all those guys and he partially lazy part
• 1:23:43
  of like a ha, I got him. He just like leaves them for a
• 1:23:46
  little bit. He goes and does other stuff.
• 1:23:48
  So there's just these like they're not like zombie like
• 1:23:50
  like wander around stuff. They're basically just like big
• 1:23:52
  fungal growths that he just, like, has in his, like, office,
• 1:23:55
  basically. But what that leads him to is
• 1:23:59
  that eventually, you know, he comes back to his office, he's
• 1:24:02
  doing other stuff and whatnot. And occasionally one of these,
• 1:24:05
  like, fungally mummified, like, Wizards will Babble something
• 1:24:13
  and they're still connected to the moon.
• 1:24:16
  Yeah. How much does the moon have to
• 1:24:18
  not like you to rather talk to these like fungal statues?
• 1:24:21
  Right, right. We don't like I said, we don't
• 1:24:24
  know. We don't know The moon's like
• 1:24:26
  compunction, compunction, like maybe this is part of it.
• 1:24:29
  Maybe it's like orchestrating Scrag Rod being Scrag Rod, but
• 1:24:32
  or maybe just genuinely hates it.
• 1:24:34
  We have we have no idea. But it's less.
• 1:24:37
  It seems like it's less that the moon is like still talking to
• 1:24:39
  these Wizards and more like we broke the radio, but it's still
• 1:24:44
  tuned to Moon FM, if that makes sense.
• 1:24:46
  They're catching stray signals from it because a lot of what
• 1:24:50
  they mutter is still gibberish, but occasionally they all
• 1:24:54
  muttered the same gibberish. And so Scragg Red does what he
• 1:24:58
  was doing originally and he starts cross referencing what
• 1:25:01
  these like mummified like fungal Wizards say.
• 1:25:05
  And he finds out that where they all like intersect, he can still
• 1:25:09
  make predictions off that. He can still tell where the
• 1:25:12
  moon's going to show him and that's still, like I said, he's
• 1:25:16
  got 567 Wizards he was doing that with originally.
• 1:25:19
  There's still a lot of failure rate to that, like not enough
• 1:25:21
  info to reliably. There's like some moon
• 1:25:23
  appearances he doesn't catch some places where he leads
• 1:25:25
  people and the moon doesn't show up.
• 1:25:28
  Not reliable enough. So what do you think Scrag Rod
• 1:25:32
  does? Does he get?
• 1:25:34
  More. Wizards.
• 1:25:35
  He gets more wizard. Oh no.
• 1:25:39
  So at some point in this history, the timeline is a
• 1:25:41
  little bit wack because again, we're getting all this through
• 1:25:43
  like human oral history instead of like from goblins directly.
• 1:25:47
  At some point in this history Scrag Rot with the help of his
• 1:25:50
  like cohort of goblins the King's gets is what he calls
• 1:25:53
  them, captures the fortress of scrap.
• 1:25:59
  A spill used to be a like Cara drawn ship manufacturing like
• 1:26:05
  facility but under the control of the goblins it just turns
• 1:26:09
  into this like they build. I can't believe I haven't talked
• 1:26:12
  about loon shrines up to this point.
• 1:26:14
  Occasionally the bad moon will like disgorge meteorites.
• 1:26:18
  Like you'll just spit them at the Earth, and goblins will
• 1:26:21
  gather those chunks of the bad moon and they will carve them
• 1:26:25
  into effigies of the bad moon. And those effigies give off
• 1:26:28
  moonlight like they give off bad moonlight.
• 1:26:30
  Yeah, yeah. That's.
• 1:26:32
  How moonlight works right? Absolutely, because that's.
• 1:26:35
  How the sun works, right? And so they build, they build a
• 1:26:39
  giant loon shrine on top of scrap of spill and it just
• 1:26:42
  cloaks the entire like city and like countryside for miles in
• 1:26:47
  every direction. And bad moonlight rad.
• 1:26:49
  That's what they want. Yeah, it's great.
• 1:26:51
  And so scrap rod seizes the fortress scrap, a spill in the
• 1:26:56
  like basement of scrap, a spill he finds like a tiny realm Cape.
• 1:27:04
  It's seemingly like and he he explores it.
• 1:27:07
  He finds that it doesn't connect to anything in particular.
• 1:27:10
  Like some some realm gates just connect to like their own like
• 1:27:13
  extra dimensional space to like a little pocket.
• 1:27:15
  And he finds just like storage and it basically like the
• 1:27:18
  Carradron who'd been using this place.
• 1:27:19
  We're just using it as a storage dimension and like neat, cool.
• 1:27:24
  So what scrag rod does is he goes well, the my office is
• 1:27:28
  getting crowded with the like dozen or so Wizards.
• 1:27:30
  I've like mummified at this point.
• 1:27:34
  So I'm going to move them all to this extra dimensional like
• 1:27:38
  bubble put. Them in my pocket.
• 1:27:40
  Yep, and then I'm going to yes, and then I'm going to use all of
• 1:27:45
  my cunning and clever as like a goblin, like wizard and stuff to
• 1:27:50
  like learn how all of these like Cara drawn like scrap pieces and
• 1:27:55
  whatnot around this fortress work and like reverse engineer a
• 1:27:58
  bunch of them. So I'm setting up little like
• 1:28:02
  speaking microphones in front of all of these, like Fung Fied,
• 1:28:06
  like Wizards that collects all of their so I'm not having to
• 1:28:10
  like stand in the room and like listen to what they're saying
• 1:28:13
  and jot it down. Just like records everything
• 1:28:16
  they're muttering and like to cross reference it later and
• 1:28:20
  just collects in this big nightmarish like tape recorder
• 1:28:25
  of like muttering Wizards and that like dozen or so Wizards of
• 1:28:29
  like goblins that he like tricked and cajoled and like
• 1:28:32
  kidnapped and whatnot. Very quickly turns into, oh, if
• 1:28:36
  I do this to like any wizard, it makes a connection to the bad
• 1:28:42
  moon through them. And so it goes from, oh, here's
• 1:28:45
  a dozen Wizards that I've like, tricked and controlled and
• 1:28:48
  kidnapped to every time the kings gets like raid somewhere,
• 1:28:52
  they kidnap all of the Wizards they can get their hands on.
• 1:28:56
  So there's humans and elves and yeah, but it connects.
• 1:29:01
  Them all to the bad moon. Fungus, I guess, yeah.
• 1:29:06
  Scrag rods magic like forces a connection in some way but yeah,
• 1:29:11
  very quickly scrag rods little like pocket dimension pocket
• 1:29:15
  like moon recording dimension has hundreds of Wizards who have
• 1:29:21
  all been like fungified and like hooked up to microphones and
• 1:29:24
  like collected. And he's figured out enough
• 1:29:27
  about this technology to where it can just like separate the
• 1:29:29
  wheat from the chaff. And he only gets like good
• 1:29:33
  predictions from his huge like Minority Report style, like
• 1:29:37
  nightmare machine that he has in this pocket dimension.
• 1:29:42
  And then he uses that to go in front of all the other gets and
• 1:29:46
  say, my connection to the bad moon is stronger than anybody's.
• 1:29:50
  Here's what it said. And now his predictions are
• 1:29:53
  always right that. Would do it.
• 1:29:56
  Yeah, that would do it. I love I love Scrag Rod because
• 1:30:00
  he is 100% prediction rate of where the moon's going to arrive
• 1:30:05
  completely being like a chicanery delight like but yeah.
• 1:30:11
  And so he just he leads the gets to like these big victories that
• 1:30:14
  he's. And like Scragg Rod knows Scragg
• 1:30:17
  Rod knows if it ever came out that he's not legit, he would be
• 1:30:21
  like torn apart by wolves. Like they would be on him in a
• 1:30:24
  minute. Like his entire, yeah, his
• 1:30:27
  entire claim to fame and like his ability to be like a
• 1:30:31
  successful powerful like Goblin in this like Backstab assessed
• 1:30:35
  society is his like 100% success rate is that everyone thinks
• 1:30:39
  he's the golden ticket of like knowing what the moon wants.
• 1:30:43
  In fact, he's just created like a really, really smart algorithm
• 1:30:47
  to. Get a.
• 1:30:48
  Point. For yes, he's a complete
• 1:30:51
  huckster. He's a complete like scam artist
• 1:30:55
  means. That he's.
• 1:30:57
  Claiming yes. Hypothetically, with what you
• 1:30:59
  understand about goblin culture and stuff, if he had just turned
• 1:31:01
  around and done this and said this is what I'm doing and this
• 1:31:05
  is how it works. Dead within the day.
• 1:31:07
  Dead within the day. Because some other goblin will
• 1:31:09
  go well. How important are you to like
• 1:31:11
  running that? I could run that.
• 1:31:14
  I could listen to what all the like people are saying.
• 1:31:17
  Interesting. So they just be like.
• 1:31:19
  And I'm bigger than you, right? Is that?
• 1:31:22
  It OK? Is it?
• 1:31:23
  Yeah. So it wouldn't have worked even
• 1:31:25
  if he was like, here's my job. My job is this thing.
• 1:31:28
  No, Miss Barbie's job is. To that.
• 1:31:30
  Point. No, it's entirely like he has to
• 1:31:34
  be like self-serving with it. He has to be like I, I
• 1:31:38
  personally am the best and hear the moon best and I'm like the
• 1:31:42
  best at interpreting what it's saying.
• 1:31:44
  And that's why I'm so successful and none of you try and like get
• 1:31:47
  me about it. You can't get me about it.
• 1:31:51
  I love him because he's just such a little shit.
• 1:31:54
  Damn. But it worked though, right?
• 1:31:56
  Incredible, right? We'd.
• 1:31:58
  Love to see him play even if it has fungus.
• 1:32:01
  On. That's incredible.
• 1:32:03
  That's so crazy. His thing in game is that so
• 1:32:06
  when you play egg glimpse fight gets army, the moon like goes
• 1:32:09
  through its faces and like gives you different busts of return.
• 1:32:13
  If you have scrag rot, you can have him go look there and it
• 1:32:16
  will like pause on a face for a turn, a thing that narratively
• 1:32:20
  it was always going to do, but scrag rot is going look.
• 1:32:24
  I asked it to do that. I'm so important and special.
• 1:32:27
  That's. So.
• 1:32:30
  Funny, he is also an incredible wizard and his signature spell
• 1:32:33
  is through magic causing a chunk of the bad moon to fall off and
• 1:32:38
  meteorite strike an area. Yeah.
• 1:32:40
  That's very fun. That's very good, but this?
• 1:32:43
  Is fun one. I like these a.
• 1:32:44
  Lot right? They're so good but wacky.
• 1:32:47
  Little guys. They're wacky little guys and I
• 1:32:49
  love them a lot. They're like, so they're my main
• 1:32:51
  army. I play them all the time.
• 1:32:53
  I love them terribly. Give Trug better lore.
• 1:32:57
  Hashtag give Trug better lore. Yeah, just make him.
• 1:33:00
  Just have him fix his headache and, like, be a little bit
• 1:33:02
  clever. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:33:04
  Exactly. One of that's why they give him
• 1:33:06
  a headache, because I still want to be able to pull that back.
• 1:33:07
  That'd be. Nice.
• 1:33:08
  I wouldn't complain, Yeah. We don't want to lose that.
• 1:33:11
  So he has a headache, and when the headache goes away, we'll be
• 1:33:14
  able to like, pull out this cool shit.
• 1:33:16
  He actually had planned for this way too cool character, right?
• 1:33:19
  So basic. He's neat, I like him.
• 1:33:21
  Yeah. But.
• 1:33:23
  This feels like they put way too much detail into this.
• 1:33:27
  Just this model is way too cool and has way too many like
• 1:33:30
  specific and unique elements about it for him to just be big
• 1:33:34
  smash rage monster. It's just I don't know, I guess
• 1:33:39
  things can be cool and just be big smash rage monster.
• 1:33:41
  But if like any of these other trolls trucks could have just
• 1:33:45
  also been that. Yeah.
• 1:33:47
  So why is this guy not more unique?
• 1:33:50
  Especially when we have a we have a pattern in like
• 1:33:53
  destruction, which is our orcs, goblins, trolls, like giants of
• 1:33:56
  like are like unique named characters being more than that,
• 1:34:01
  because like the faction is a little bit that.
• 1:34:03
  And so it's nice to have a character like Gordrack are like
• 1:34:07
  head Orc is notable because he's like a little bit of a
• 1:34:11
  philosopher almost. He's he's the rap.
• 1:34:14
  He's the voice of destruction. He's the like, if we let you
• 1:34:18
  Sigmar, you would build so many walls around yourself that you'd
• 1:34:21
  end up in a cage. Like that's why you need us.
• 1:34:24
  We're not just breaking. We are breaking stuff because
• 1:34:26
  it's fun, but you can't get rid of us because you would ruin
• 1:34:29
  yourselves. And like that makes him
• 1:34:31
  interesting as a character, like more than just being a smash
• 1:34:35
  monster king broad who we'll talk about in the Giants episode
• 1:34:39
  because he's our like named character for Giants is unique
• 1:34:43
  because he's got this like he his conviction towards like
• 1:34:47
  giant kind like what he wants for them is so powerful that he
• 1:34:52
  is a priest. Like in game terms of just his
• 1:34:55
  like own personal convictions. Like he can pull divine power
• 1:34:59
  from a God who doesn't exist, Like, and that's fascinating.
• 1:35:07
  Is just a troll. Yeah, like it's just another
• 1:35:10
  troll, and that's frustrating. Yeah, OK.
• 1:35:13
  But in the meantime, that is our concluding episode for
• 1:35:18
  Gloomspike Get so super happy to yeah, I'm super happy to have
• 1:35:23
  talked about them. They're my main army.
• 1:35:24
  I'm a big fan. Honestly, they got put in here
• 1:35:26
  because I wanted to get more episodes recorded so we can get
• 1:35:30
  like some in the can so we can have a consistent like release
• 1:35:33
  schedule going forward. And I'm working on a cities
• 1:35:36
  episode and wow, there's a lot of shit about the cities of
• 1:35:39
  Sigmar. Those notes are going on forever
• 1:35:42
  and ever and ever and ever. And that might be like a
• 1:35:43
  three-part episode. It's.
• 1:35:45
  Going to be a lot 1 that you know you can do.
• 1:35:46
  Yes, exactly. I didn't have to do any research
• 1:35:49
  for this one. I know this Lord by heart like
• 1:35:52
  the. Bright episode on the Bunker 9
• 1:35:53
  muses bonus. Yeah, I don't have to do any
• 1:35:55
  research for that. I can bust out how much I'm
• 1:35:57
  annoyed with Reed Riordan doing bad comments on prayer
• 1:35:59
  characters any day. Of the week next time I'm not
• 1:36:04
  sure what we're going to talk about.
• 1:36:06
  I kind of wanted to talk yeah, we're probably not going to talk
• 1:36:08
  about cities that still needs a lot of research to do.
• 1:36:10
  I'm kind of pulled to do either a vampire or a ghosts episode
• 1:36:16
  because those are both those are both pretty cool and it wouldn't
• 1:36:19
  take like a ton of research for me to do either of those.
• 1:36:22
  But yeah, we're we'll see. I'd say like leave in the
• 1:36:24
  comments, but definitely by the time you hear this, we've
• 1:36:26
  already like recorded that the next episode.
• 1:36:29
  But yeah. I mean, we did talk about
• 1:36:31
  vampires a little bit in the last episode.
• 1:36:33
  Yes, that's true. That's true.
• 1:36:35
  And I do like vampires so I like how AOS does vampires.
• 1:36:39
  So sounds fun. I could excuse for me to reread
• 1:36:42
  The Hollow King, which is one of my favorite AOS novels, but
• 1:36:45
  nice. Yeah, but.
• 1:36:47
  So maybe that. Yeah, maybe that.
• 1:36:49
  But in the meantime, thanks so much for listening, everybody.
• 1:36:52
  I have been your dank Hold Trog boss, Dalton Montgomery.
• 1:36:56
  And I'm Darian smart then if you saw me on a wanted poster, no
• 1:36:59
  you didn't. See you again soon, bye.