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Mega Edition: The State Of Idaho And The Strength Of Their Case Against Bryan Kohberger (9/17/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Brian
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Speaker 1: Koberger was back in court on Tuesday of this week
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Speaker 1: and there were several different issues that were being discussed
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Speaker 1: by the defense and the prosecution in front of Judge
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Speaker 1: John Judge in the Latah County courtroom. Several issues were
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Speaker 1: heard and several issues were dealt with, but there were
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Speaker 1: still a few issues that were still simmering on the
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Speaker 1: back burner. especially surrounding things such as the grand jury
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Speaker 1: testimony and DNA evidence that they say that they have
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Speaker 1: not received yet. Now, the judge didn't make any rulings. However,
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Speaker 1: he did set a July 14th deadline for some of
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Speaker 1: these records to be turned over. So now that we're
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Speaker 1: moving along here and things are certainly taking shape, what's
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Speaker 1: the case that the state of Idaho is making against
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Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger? Today's article is from Newsweek and the headline,
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Speaker 1: The Case Against Brian Kohlberger. This article was authored by
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Speaker 1: Kalita Rahman. Prosecutors have yet to reveal the full extent
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Speaker 1: of their case against Brian Kohlberger, the man accused of
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Speaker 1: stabbing four University of Idaho students to death late last year.
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Speaker 1: But Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson filed the notice of
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Speaker 1: his intent to seek the death penalty in court on Monday. Kohlberger, 28,
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Speaker 1: is accused of breaking into a rental house near the
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Speaker 1: university campus in Moscow, Idaho, and fatally stabbing Kaylee Gonsalves,
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Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. And the fact
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Speaker 1: that they're going after this as a capital punishment case
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Speaker 1: certainly leads me to believe that they have their ducks
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Speaker 1: in a row. And as the prosecution, when you're going
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Speaker 1: after a capital punishment case, you can't have any missteps.
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Speaker 1: You can't step on anyone's constitutional rights. There can't be
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Speaker 1: any sort of nonsense because if there is, like we
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Speaker 1: saw with the Lori Vallow trial, the judge can step
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Speaker 1: in and take the death penalty off of the table.
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Speaker 1: So if the prosecutors really want to get that conviction
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Speaker 1: when all is said and done, they have to make
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Speaker 1: sure all of their stuff is buttoned up. The slaying
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Speaker 1: stunned the community and garnered widespread attention. Kohlberger, who was
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Speaker 1: a graduate student studying criminology at Washington State University in
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Speaker 1: nearby Pullman, was arrested at his parents' home in Pennsylvania
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Speaker 1: in late December. Kohlberger was back in court on Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: His attorneys are asking the court to order prosecutors to
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Speaker 1: turn over more evidence about the DNA found during the investigation.
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Speaker 1: They also want more information about the searches of Kohlberger's
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Speaker 1: phone and social media records, as well as the surveillance
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Speaker 1: footage used to identify the make and model of his car.
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Speaker 1: And like I said earlier, I think all of that
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Speaker 1: is pretty reasonable. If I was on trial for my life,
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Speaker 1: I'd want access to all of that information, right?
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you?
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Speaker 1: So for me, I think that transparency is the best
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Speaker 1: way to go. And that means from the prosecution as well.
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Speaker 1: When you're being transparent and you're turning over everything you have,
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Speaker 1: That signals to the rest of the world that you
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Speaker 1: have a strong ass case and you're ready to rock
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Speaker 1: and roll. But when you dog walk stuff, it might
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Speaker 1: lead people to believe that you don't have a strong
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Speaker 1: case and you're trying to buy more time. And that's
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Speaker 1: what Brian Kohlberger's defense team has inferred with these court filings.
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Speaker 1: And of course, the prosecution denies this and they say
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Speaker 1: that they've turned over everything that they have and they're
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Speaker 1: still waiting on FBI test results. So that's the deadline
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Speaker 1: that Judge Judge set at the hearing on Tuesday. And
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Speaker 1: that deadline is July 14th. That's when these records, according
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Speaker 1: to Judge Judge, and the order that he put out
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, have to be turned over. So the FBI
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Speaker 1: better kick their ass into gear and get all of
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Speaker 1: this taken care of. In a recent motion to compel discovery,
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger's defense attorney, Ann Taylor, said prosecutors have only provided
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Speaker 1: the DNA profile that was taken from traces found on
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Speaker 1: the snap of the knife sheath, not the DNA profiles
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Speaker 1: belonging to three other unidentified males that were developed during
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Speaker 1: the investigation.
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Speaker 2: And for me, the fact that there's other profiles here
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Speaker 2: was expected.
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Speaker 1: If you go back and listen to some of the
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Speaker 1: earlier episodes where we were talking about this, I said
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Speaker 1: that I expect there to be profiles of unknown males
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Speaker 1: throughout this house. It was a party house. People were
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Speaker 1: there all the time, hanging out, having fun. Of course,
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Speaker 1: there's going to be profiles of unknown males. Now, if
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Speaker 1: that profile was found on the knife sheath, then that
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Speaker 1: would be a big deal. That would be earth shattering.
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Speaker 1: That would be breaking news. But the fact that there
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Speaker 1: were three other male profiles that were found at the
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Speaker 1: scene and were put together through DNA patterns does not
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Speaker 1: shock me at all. In fact, I'm shocked that it's
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Speaker 1: only three. considering how busy this house was, how much
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Speaker 1: of a hub of activity it was, you would think
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Speaker 1: that there'd be a shit ton of profiles that nobody
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Speaker 1: has any idea about. Now, with that said, I think
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Speaker 1: Ann Taylor is doing the right thing here for a
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Speaker 1: defense attorney. She's trying to sow some seeds of doubt. Look,
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Speaker 1: there's other people at this house. How do you know
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Speaker 1: it's my client? And if it wasn't for that knife sheath,
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Speaker 1: then Brian Kohlberger would have a legitimate chance at bashing
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Speaker 1: some of this other evidence and not just piece by piece,
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Speaker 1: but overall, the totality of it. With the DNA evidence
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Speaker 1: against him, though, it makes it very difficult for him
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Speaker 1: and his team to come up with a proper defense.
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Speaker 1: Other motions to compel discovery by Taylor argue that prosecutors
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Speaker 1: have not handed over materials in the case that she
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Speaker 1: believes contain exculpatory evidence. Kohlberger's attorney also filed a motion
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Speaker 1: earlier in June requesting more time to decide whether whether
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Speaker 1: to offer a formal alibi. Now, usually, if you're not
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Speaker 1: guilty of a crime, you want to add up an
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Speaker 1: alibi and get it delivered. I was with so-and-so. We
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Speaker 1: were playing video games and smoking crank, whatever it is.
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Speaker 1: But here, Brian Koberger, he doesn't know if he's offering
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Speaker 1: one up. That leads me to believe he doesn't have one.
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Speaker 1: If you have an alibi, that's one of the first
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Speaker 1: things you're saying, right?
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Speaker 2: Wasn't me, bro. Go check the tape.
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Speaker 1: You got the wrong guy with bushy eyebrows. Police had
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Speaker 1: released few details about their investigation until after Kohlberger was
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Speaker 1: arrested at his parents' home in Albrightville, Pennsylvania on December
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Speaker 1: 30th of 2022. A probable cause affidavit detailed how investigators
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Speaker 1: pieced together DNA evidence, cell phone data, and surveillance video
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Speaker 1: to connect Kohlberger to the crime. So it was all
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Speaker 1: of that evidence in its totality that led to the
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Speaker 1: probable cause affidavit, and all of that was glued together
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Speaker 1: by the DNA profile found on the knife sheath. A
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Speaker 1: probable cause affidavit detailed how investigators pieced together DNA evidence,
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Speaker 1: cell phone data, and surveillance video to connect Kohlberger to
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Speaker 1: the crime. In court documents, prosecutors said DNA taken from
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger after his arrest is a statistical match to DNA
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Speaker 1: found on a knife sheath inside the home where the
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Speaker 1: students were killed. So the people out there who continue
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Speaker 1: to think Kohlberger is innocent, I would truly love to
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Speaker 1: know what leads you to believe that. With the DNA
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Speaker 1: on the knife sheath, how do you explain that? Because
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Speaker 1: I'm all ears, right? I'm not here to convict the
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Speaker 1: dude before he goes to trial. I might think he's guilty,
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Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean I'm ready to just slam the
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Speaker 1: jail door closed on him and forget about him. I
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Speaker 1: want the process to play out and I want it
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Speaker 1: to be transparent. But I don't know what anyone's thinking
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Speaker 1: out there who thinks as of right now with everything
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Speaker 1: that we know that Brian Kohlberger is being railroaded or
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Speaker 1: that he is innocent of these crimes because until somebody
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Speaker 1: can explain how this knife sheath with Brian Kohlberger's DNA
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Speaker 1: ended up on a bed with two murdered girls, then
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Speaker 1: I'm going to have to continue to think that the
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Speaker 1: police have the right guy. Now, I'm sure there's people
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Speaker 1: out there that would tell me that he was framed.
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Speaker 1: Somebody snuck into the house, has his DNA on this sheath,
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Speaker 1: and slid it under Maddie Mogan. All the while, mind you,
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Speaker 1: not getting their own DNA on it. So, some mastermind criminal,
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Speaker 1: Hannibal Lecter-level sophistication, decided to frame Brian Koberger. That's what
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Speaker 1: you want me to believe? Well, you're going to have
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Speaker 1: to prove that. And of course he's innocent and he
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Speaker 1: doesn't have to prove his innocence. But if he's making
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Speaker 1: an assertion saying that somebody's framing him, he's going to
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Speaker 1: have to provide some evidence of that. And he's going
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Speaker 1: to have to provide something of substance besides just saying, oh,
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Speaker 1: I was framed. A white sedan that prosecutors say matched
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Speaker 1: a Hyundai Elantra owned by Kohlberger was caught on surveillance
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Speaker 1: footage repeatedly driving past the rental home around the time
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Speaker 1: of the killings, the affidavit said. It said Koberger's phone
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Speaker 1: was either turned off or on airplane mode around the
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Speaker 1: time of the killings, but the data right before it
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Speaker 1: was turned off suggesting he was heading in the direction
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Speaker 1: of home while data after it was turned back on
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Speaker 1: suggested he was heading away from there. So piecing it
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Speaker 1: all together, they have not only Brian Koberger at the scene,
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Speaker 1: but they have a complete timeline, at least as far
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Speaker 1: as the surveillance gives them, as to when all of
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Speaker 1: this was occurring, and to what Brian Kohlberger's movements were
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Speaker 1: during this time period. So again, if that was all
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Speaker 1: they had, I would say look this is a terrible
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Speaker 1: case and this dude's gonna walk but there's a lot
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Speaker 1: more here and when you have that DNA evidence on
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Speaker 1: that sheath it is very very very difficult to challenge
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Speaker 1: that and that's why they're going after the records for
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Speaker 1: the personnel who were working on the DNA and They're
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Speaker 1: going after all of these technicalities because they know the
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Speaker 1: DNA itself and the fact that it's a statistical match.
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Speaker 2: That sort of.
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Speaker 1: Thing is unchallengeable for the defense. So they understand that
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Speaker 1: they have to go after it from a technical standpoint.
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Speaker 1: A recent filing by prosecutors detailed for the first time
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Speaker 1: how law enforcement officials used investigative genetic genealogy to link
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Speaker 1: DNA from the knife sheath to Kohlberger. They said their investigation...
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Speaker 1: found that the DNA was at least 5.37 octillion times
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Speaker 1: more likely to belong to Kohlberger than an unrelated member
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Speaker 1: of the public.
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Speaker 2: Please explain that.
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Speaker 1: If it's not Kohlberger, then how the hell did that
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Speaker 1: DNA profile get on the knife sheath and then have
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Speaker 1: the knife sheath get into this home? Prosecutors have not
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Speaker 1: revealed any details about a possible motive or whether they
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Speaker 1: have any evidence tying Kohlberger to the victims, and they
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Speaker 1: don't have to release that yet. That's all stuff that's
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Speaker 1: going to come out later on down the road. In
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Speaker 1: a recent court filing opposing prosecutors' motions seeking to protect
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Speaker 1: information related to the use of investigative genetic genealogy in
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Speaker 1: the case, an attorney representing Kohlberger said there is no
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Speaker 1: connection between Kohlberger and and the slain students. Jay Weston Logson,
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Speaker 1: an attorney with the Kootenai County Public Defender's Office, wrote
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Speaker 1: that there is no explanation for the total lack of
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Speaker 1: DNA evidence from the victims in Mr. Kohlberger's apartment, office, home,
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Speaker 1: or vehicle. Let's not act like he was arrested the
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Speaker 1: day after. The guy had, what, six, seven weeks to
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Speaker 1: get rid of evidence to clean things up? And I
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Speaker 1: think that he had that car ready to go. Might
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Speaker 1: have had some plastic in the car, something like that,
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Speaker 1: so that when he got in that vehicle, whatever DNA
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Speaker 1: he might have had on him transferred to the plastic,
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Speaker 1: and he took that plastic and took it to a
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Speaker 1: burn site.
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Speaker 2: Why the hell did he take.
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Speaker 1: The long way home? That's a question everybody should be
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Speaker 1: asking themselves. He also said it remains unclear what police
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Speaker 1: relied on in focusing their investigation on Kohlberger. The most
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Speaker 1: important evidence in the case for prosecutors is that which
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Speaker 1: puts Kohlberger at the scene of the murders. Niyama Rahmani,
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Speaker 1: a former federal prosecutor and president of West Coast trial lawyers,
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Speaker 1: told Newsweek, and that's where I'm at. If it wasn't
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Speaker 1: for that sheath with the DNA on it, I'd be
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Speaker 1: much more open to hear stories about Brian Kohlberger possibly
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Speaker 1: being innocent. But with that DNA evidence that ties him
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Speaker 1: directly to all of this, I have a hard time
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Speaker 1: coming up with a scenario where it leads to somebody
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Speaker 1: that isn't Brian Koberger. The DNA is helpful, but it's
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Speaker 1: only a single source and not as much as you
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Speaker 1: would expect for such a bloody murder scene. And is
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Speaker 1: that where Brian Koberger's training in criminology came in? Did
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Speaker 1: he know how to protect himself, as in what to wear,
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Speaker 1: how to prepare his car if he was going to
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Speaker 1: be leaving with DNA on him? Remember, this guy is
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Speaker 1: a PhD candidate and somebody who you would think knows
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Speaker 1: about murder scenes and evidence that you're finding if you're
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Speaker 1: performing a homicide investigation. So did he take some steps
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Speaker 1: to safeguard himself from the transfer.
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Speaker 2: Of the DNA? Very possible. Can help.
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Speaker 1: The cell phone evidence appears to show Koberger leaving Washington State,
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Speaker 1: but stops before he gets to Moscow, Idaho, Rachmani noted.
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Speaker 1: The video surveillance shows a white Hyundai Elantra, but it's
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Speaker 1: not definitive. He added, short of direct evidence putting Koberger
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Speaker 1: at the scene, the next best evidence for the prosecution
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Speaker 1: is evidence of the victim's blood, hair, or something similar
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Speaker 1: in Koberger's vehicle, apartment, or parents' house. But according to
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Speaker 1: defense filings, that evidence is lacking. Finally, although it isn't
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Speaker 1: an element of the crime, the state would like to
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Speaker 1: have some evidence of motive, whether it be stalking or otherwise.
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Speaker 1: And here's where I think the fact that Kohlberger was
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Speaker 1: allegedly lurking around the Mad Greek and the Idaho campus
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Speaker 1: is going to come into play. You want to talk
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Speaker 1: about motive? You want to talk about no connection to
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Speaker 1: these girls? Well, no connection that's been released. Didn't we
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Speaker 1: hear he had a picture of one of them on
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Speaker 1: his cell phone? Wasn't he following them on Instagram? And
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Speaker 1: if it's confirmed that he did go to the Mad
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Speaker 1: Greek and the campus, well, there's your connection right.
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Speaker 2: There, folks. There's your stalking.
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Speaker 1: The case has fundamentally changed now that the state has
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Speaker 1: filed the notice of intent to seek the death penalty
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Speaker 1: against Koberger, said Michael McAuliffe, a former federal prosecutor and
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Speaker 1: elected state attorney. The defense will continue to push back
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Speaker 1: against the forensic and the DNA evidence developed during the
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Speaker 1: investigation that links the defendant to the crime scene, McAuliffe
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Speaker 1: told Newsweek. However, now that Kohlberger's possible execution is part
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Speaker 1: of the case, the defense team will.
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Speaker 2: Re-evaluate its goals, he said.
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Speaker 1: Often in death penalty cases where there is strong evidence
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Speaker 1: of guilt and particularly horrible facts, The defense strategy shifts
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Speaker 1: from obtaining a not guilty outcome to saving the client's life.
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Speaker 1: Simply the risk change for the defendant in a capital case.
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Speaker 1: So that could be what they're pining for here as well. Remember,
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Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on behind the scenes for
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Speaker 1: the prosecution or for Brian Koberger's lawyers. We don't know
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Speaker 1: what their exact strategy is going to be, but it
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Speaker 1: certainly looks like they're going to try and challenge the
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Speaker 1: technicalities here and not so much the evidence. Prosecutors presumably
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Speaker 1: have solicited the views of the victim's families regarding the
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Speaker 1: death penalty and will continue to consult them during every
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Speaker 1: stage of the case, he said. However, the ultimate issue
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Speaker 1: of whether to resolve the case with a guilty plea
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Speaker 1: if the death penalty is withdrawn is the prosecutor's decision
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Speaker 1: to make, McAuliffe said. While the defense had not publicly
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Speaker 1: raised the possibility of a guilty plea, the issue will
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Speaker 1: become more and more central to the case as it
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Speaker 1: moves closer to trial. Under Idaho's death penalty statute, life
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Speaker 1: without parole is an alternative to the death penalty. So
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Speaker 1: it's possible that he ends up getting life without parole.
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Speaker 1: But the government of Idaho has already come out and
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Speaker 1: stated that they're looking for capital punishment. Last week, 2nd
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Speaker 1: District Judge John Judge denied a request to lift a
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Speaker 1: gag order in the case, but... did significantly narrow it.
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Speaker 1: The revised YAG order prohibits any attorney representing the parties, victims,
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Speaker 1: or witnesses in the case from making statements that could
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Speaker 1: have a substantial likelihood of prejudicing or otherwise influencing the
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Speaker 1: outcome of the case. They are allowed to comment about
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Speaker 1: information contained in the public record, procedural issues, scheduling, and
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Speaker 1: make statements that a lawyer would reasonably believe is required
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Speaker 1: to protect their client from the substantial undue prejudicial effect
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Speaker 1: of recent publicity not initiated by the lawyer or the
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Speaker 1: lawyer's client. So in layman's terms, media and speculation by
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Speaker 1: members of the public who are interested in the case
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Speaker 1: on social media. That's what they're talking about here. But
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Speaker 1: they are barred from sharing opinions about the guilt or
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Speaker 1: innocence of a defendant outside of the courtroom, the identity
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Speaker 1: or nature of evidence expected to be presented at trial,
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Speaker 1: or information that they know wouldn't be admitted in court.
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Speaker 1: They also cannot speak about the character or credibility of
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Speaker 1: a witness, expected testimony, or the likelihood of a plea deal.
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Speaker 1: So it's pared back significantly, no doubt about it. And
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Speaker 1: the fact that they can answer procedural questions The fact
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Speaker 1: that they can answer questions that don't have to do
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Speaker 1: with the actual evidence is a big deal. Because law
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Speaker 1: enforcement was turtling up before and not wanting to answer
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Speaker 1: basic questions about, you know, how much it cost for
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Speaker 1: the investigation, stuff like that. Stuff that had nothing to
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Speaker 1: do with the actual prosecution. But they were using the
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Speaker 1: gag order to shield themselves from answering any questions whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: Now that's not possible anymore. But now that this is
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Speaker 1: a death penalty case, things have moved to a different level.
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Speaker 1: And the case against Brian Kohlberger needs to be airtight.
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Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
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Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with the episode can
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Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What everyone and welcome back.
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Speaker 2: To the program. After a period of relative.
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Speaker 1: Silence surrounding the murders in Moscow, we have some news
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Speaker 1: in the last couple of days to talk about. Yesterday,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about the gag order that was upheld
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Speaker 1: by the Supreme Court of Idaho, and we were also
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Speaker 1: talking about the subpoena that has been sent to Bethany Funk. Well,
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Speaker 1: now we're learning that two new prosecutors have been added
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Speaker 1: to the team, as the state of Idaho continues to
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Speaker 1: pursue a conviction against Brian Kohlberger. Now, on the face
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Speaker 1: of it, it doesn't look to be that significant considering
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Speaker 1: the complex nature of a case such as this. So
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Speaker 1: it makes sense for them to add some prosecutors onto
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Speaker 1: the team. But it also signals, at least to me,
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Speaker 1: that there is no doubt that the prosecution and the
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Speaker 1: state of Utah is going to be looking for the
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Speaker 1: death penalty. Will they get it? Well, that's a whole
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Speaker 1: different question. But in my opinion... I think that the
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Speaker 1: death penalty for Brian Kohlberger is the only way for
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Speaker 1: the prosecution to go here. You have the death penalty
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Speaker 1: on the books in the state of Idaho. You have
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Speaker 1: one of the, if not the most gruesome murders in
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Speaker 1: the history of the state. And you have a whole
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Speaker 1: ass state of voters who are looking at the prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: now Bill Thompson, and demanding and expecting justice. And from
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Speaker 1: this move here, it certainly looks like Bill Thompson is
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Speaker 1: going to give it to them. Today's article is from
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Speaker 1: Newsweek and the headline, Brian Koberger case gets new prosecutors.
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Speaker 1: This article was authored by Gerard Keonga. Two special assistant
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Speaker 1: attorneys general have been appointed to the Brian Koberger Idaho
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Speaker 1: murder case, according to reports. News Nation's Brian Enten took
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Speaker 1: to Twitter on Monday and tweeted that the Latah County
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Speaker 1: prosecutor had asked for the state's assistance and that this
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Speaker 1: request was granted by the judge. And again, when you
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Speaker 1: have a case that is complex, a lot of times
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Speaker 1: you'll see this kind of thing where a prosecutor's office
21:14
Speaker 1: asks the state to bolster their team because they feel
21:17
Speaker 1: like they have a gigantic workload or they feel like
21:21
Speaker 1: it's going to be just a monstrous task to get
21:24
Speaker 1: the conviction. So they bring on other team members. And
21:27
Speaker 1: then when you add on the other spicy end of it,
21:31
Speaker 1: which is a death penalty and how complex that becomes, well,
21:35
Speaker 1: you have yourselves Quite the legal battle. And that's exactly
21:39
Speaker 1: what's gearing up here. Koberger has been held in jail
21:42
Speaker 1: since his extradition to Idaho in early January to face
21:45
Speaker 1: charges in the deaths of Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle,
21:50
Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin. He is alleged to have fatally stabbed
21:54
Speaker 1: each of the victims in the off-campus residence at 1122
21:58
Speaker 1: King Road in Moscow, Idaho on November 13th, 2022. On
22:04
Speaker 1: December 30th, Koberger, 28, was arrested at his parents' residence
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Speaker 1: in Albrightville, Pennsylvania. He was charged with four counts of
22:12
Speaker 1: first-degree murder and one count of felony burglary. Koberger was
22:16
Speaker 1: attending Washington State University at the time of the murders,
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Speaker 1: with his former lawyer in Pennsylvania saying that his client
22:24
Speaker 1: was eager to be exonerated. Koberger hasn't yet entered a
22:28
Speaker 1: plea to four counts of first-degree murder and burglary, and
22:32
Speaker 1: we know now that Koberger's team is trying to get
22:35
Speaker 1: Bethany Funk to come and provide testimony during the prelim hearings.
22:40
Speaker 1: And according to their investigator, Rich Batanti, and Ann Taylor's office, well,
22:46
Speaker 1: Bethany Funk has exculpatory evidence that could help Brian Koberger out.
22:53
Speaker 1: And that's what they're asserting with this subpoena. Now, we
22:56
Speaker 1: know that the subpoena is being challenged by Bethany Funk's lawyer.
23:00
Speaker 1: And with her being a resident of Nevada, and not
23:03
Speaker 1: a resident of Idaho anymore, there certainly are a few
23:07
Speaker 1: more hoops that have to be jumped through. And I'm
23:10
Speaker 1: very curious to see how this all ends up. I
23:12
Speaker 1: wonder if they're going to compel her to come and
23:14
Speaker 1: testify here. And if they do, will the prosecution look
23:18
Speaker 1: to pull an end around and go to a grand
23:20
Speaker 1: jury instead to get the indictment? Because that's certainly a
23:23
Speaker 1: possibility as well. And there's no doubt that grand jury
23:27
Speaker 1: proceedings are stacked in the favor of the state. Remember,
23:30
Speaker 1: when there's a grand jury impaneled against you, you don't
23:33
Speaker 1: have anyone there defending you. Not your lawyer, not you, nothing.
23:37
Speaker 1: So the grand jury is impaneled in secret. They get
23:40
Speaker 1: the evidence that the prosecution wants them to see. And
23:43
Speaker 1: then the jury for the grand jury, they'll make their
23:46
Speaker 1: decision based off of that. But I'm not a real
23:49
Speaker 1: big fan of the grand jury in general. I like
23:52
Speaker 1: transparency in the court. And when we're talking about a
23:55
Speaker 1: grand jury, there is little to none of that. It
23:58
Speaker 1: showed that prosecuting attorney William W. Thompson Jr., who also
24:02
Speaker 1: goes by Bill Thompson, was seeking to appoint Deputy Attorney
24:06
Speaker 1: General Jeff Nye and Deputy Attorney General Ingrid Beatty for
24:11
Speaker 1: the roles. The petition went on to say, that Thompson
24:14
Speaker 1: wished to fully utilize the expertise and additional resources of
24:19
Speaker 1: the office of the Attorney General in this case. Criminal
24:23
Speaker 1: defense attorney Jessica Bublitz spoke with Enten on NewsNation on
24:27
Speaker 1: Monday night and reflected on this latest development. She said,
24:31
Speaker 1: We're still in the discovery process. We haven't even made
24:34
Speaker 1: it to the prelim hearing. You have to realize that
24:37
Speaker 1: the prelim hearing is the beginning. That's where they find
24:40
Speaker 1: probable cause. After that is probably where he, Koberger, would
24:45
Speaker 1: plead guilty or not guilty. Of course, it's just the beginning.
24:49
Speaker 1: We haven't even dipped our toes in the pool yet,
24:52
Speaker 1: but the time where we take a dive in is
24:54
Speaker 1: certainly getting closer. We're still at the very early stages,
24:58
Speaker 1: and it doesn't really signify anything to me other than
25:01
Speaker 1: this would be a good time to bring in some
25:04
Speaker 1: additional resources. I happen to disagree, and I think that
25:08
Speaker 1: it is another shot across the bow And another tell
25:13
Speaker 1: that they're looking for the death penalty here. Koberger's defense
25:17
Speaker 1: team has also been taking steps to prepare for the
25:20
Speaker 1: upcoming trial. Over the weekend, Koberger's defense team filed a
25:24
Speaker 1: court document seeking to have Bethany Funk testify. Funk was
25:28
Speaker 1: one of the two roommates of the four victims who
25:31
Speaker 1: survived the incident. And you know that Bethany Funk has
25:34
Speaker 1: already said she doesn't want to testify on behalf of Koberger.
25:38
Speaker 1: So her lawyers and Brian Koberger's defense team, they're going
25:42
Speaker 1: to battle this out now in court and a judge
25:44
Speaker 1: is going to have to make a decision. The document read,
25:48
Speaker 1: portions of information Ms. Funk has is exculpatory to the defendant. Ms.
25:53
Speaker 1: Funk's information is unique to her experiences and cannot be
25:57
Speaker 1: provided by another witness. Bethany Funk resides in the state
26:01
Speaker 1: of Nevada and it is necessary to subpoena this witness
26:05
Speaker 1: because the witness testimony is material evidence and necessary to
26:09
Speaker 1: this case. So what they're saying is, Bethany Funk has
26:13
Speaker 1: some kind of information here that only she can provide.
26:16
Speaker 1: And what that information is, is anyone's guess. But their investigator,
26:21
Speaker 1: Rich Batanti, says that he found information that he feels
26:25
Speaker 1: is exculpatory for Brian Koberger. So of course, his defense team,
26:29
Speaker 1: they want to call her as a witness now because
26:31
Speaker 1: they say they have uncovered this new evidence. And on
26:35
Speaker 1: the flip side of that, her team is saying, go
26:37
Speaker 1: get stuffed. She's not even a resident of Idaho and
26:41
Speaker 1: your subpoena doesn't have binding power. So it's going to
26:44
Speaker 1: be interesting to see which way the judge rules in
26:47
Speaker 1: this matter. Now, before we end this episode, let's go
26:50
Speaker 1: through these court documents real quick, considering they're so short.
26:54
Speaker 1: The first one we have is the petition for appointment
26:58
Speaker 1: of Special Assistant Attorney General. Case number CR 29-22-2805. State
27:03
Speaker 1: of Idaho plaintiff versus Brian Koberger, the defendant. comes now
27:09
Speaker 1: the Latah County Prosecuting Attorney, William W. Thompson Jr., and
27:13
Speaker 1: pursuant to Idaho Code, Section 31-2603, Section B, and 67-1401,
27:20
Speaker 1: Section 7. Petitions in this court for the appointment of
27:25
Speaker 1: Special Assistant Attorneys General and in support of this request states, 1.
27:29
Speaker 1: I am the duly elected Latah County Prosecuting Attorney. 2.
27:34
Speaker 1: I have the duty to prosecute all felony criminal actions
27:37
Speaker 1: committed in Latah County, pursuant to Idaho Code 31-2604, as
27:43
Speaker 1: prosecuting attorney. 3. I petition the court to appoint Deputy
27:48
Speaker 1: Attorney General Jeff Nye and Deputy Attorney General Ingrid Beatty
27:53
Speaker 1: as Special Assistant Attorneys General to assist in the prosecution
27:57
Speaker 1: of State v. Kohlberger, case number CR 29-22-2805. 4. I
28:05
Speaker 1: seek assistance in this case in order to utilize the
28:08
Speaker 1: expertise and additional resources of the Office of the Attorney General. Five,
28:14
Speaker 1: the Attorney General's Office has agreed in writing to assist
28:18
Speaker 1: the Latah County Prosecuting Attorney's Office in this matter. Pursuant
28:22
Speaker 1: to this written agreement, the Attorney General's Office agreed to
28:25
Speaker 1: pay the salaries of its personnel.
28:28
Speaker 2: Who assist the prosecution. This was dated on April 24th.
28:34
Speaker 1: Of 2023 and signed by William Thompson. So you see,
28:39
Speaker 1: there's the order itself asking for the help and giving
28:42
Speaker 1: a little bit more context on why they want that
28:45
Speaker 1: help and who's going to pay for it. So they're
28:48
Speaker 1: bolstering their team. And the prosecution in Idaho, they're gearing up, folks.
28:53
Speaker 1: And what it looks like to me is they're gearing
28:55
Speaker 1: up not only to go after Brian Kohlberger and get
28:59
Speaker 1: a conviction, but to seek the most harsh penalty of
29:03
Speaker 1: them all, And that is the death penalty. All right, folks,
29:08
Speaker 1: as usual, we'll keep on it. And anytime there is
29:11
Speaker 1: some new information that pops up, we'll get it added
29:14
Speaker 1: to the catalog right away. All of the information that
29:18
Speaker 1: goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
29:23
Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Now
29:28
Speaker 1: that there's a suspect, in the murders in Moscow, the
29:31
Speaker 1: question becomes, will this suspect face the death penalty? And
29:36
Speaker 1: for those of you who have been following me for
29:38
Speaker 1: some time, you know, I'm usually not a big fan
29:41
Speaker 1: of the death penalty. I'm not a fan of the
29:43
Speaker 1: state being able to take the life of citizens. It
29:47
Speaker 1: just doesn't really sit well with me in most circumstances. However,
29:52
Speaker 1: When you have circumstances like this, where four people are
29:55
Speaker 1: murdered in cold blood and there is direct evidence or
29:59
Speaker 1: what the prosecution says is direct evidence, and that's proven
30:03
Speaker 1: in a court of law in front of a jury
30:05
Speaker 1: of your peers. Well, then that's when I think the
30:09
Speaker 1: death penalty should be on the table. And if Brian
30:13
Speaker 1: Koberger is the man responsible for these murders, in my opinion,
30:18
Speaker 1: after conviction, he most certainly should be put to death.
30:22
Speaker 1: But I don't think he should be put to death
30:24
Speaker 1: by a lethal injection or the electric chair or anything
30:28
Speaker 1: like that. I think we should throw him right into
30:31
Speaker 1: a live volcano. I mean, if you're convicted and the
30:34
Speaker 1: evidence is that apparent and there's no doubt that you're
30:38
Speaker 1: the person who committed a crime such as this, then yeah,
30:42
Speaker 1: death penalty should be on the table. And today in
30:46
Speaker 1: that same vein, we have an article from Newsweek headline.
30:50
Speaker 1: Idaho prosecutors will seek death penalty, says Casey Anthony Judge.
30:56
Speaker 1: This article was authored by James Bickerton. Prosecutors are likely
31:02
Speaker 1: to seek the death penalty against Brian Koberger, the suspect
31:06
Speaker 1: accused of murdering four University of Idaho students, according to
31:10
Speaker 1: Belvin Perry, the former Florida judge who presided over the
31:15
Speaker 1: controversial Casey Anthony murder case. Look, This is certainly within
31:21
Speaker 1: the bounds of what should be considered for a death
31:24
Speaker 1: penalty case. And it'll be up to the prosecution to
31:27
Speaker 1: make that argument. They'll have to make that argument before
31:30
Speaker 1: the judge and before the jury. And if they can
31:34
Speaker 1: convince the judge and the jury that this is gruesome enough,
31:38
Speaker 1: this is horrendous enough that it should be a death
31:40
Speaker 1: penalty case, then that's what it'll be. And my guess
31:43
Speaker 1: is in a place like Idaho, which is a relatively
31:46
Speaker 1: conservative place, You'll probably have the residents with the pitchforks
31:51
Speaker 1: and the torches ready to put this guy to death.
31:55
Speaker 1: And can you blame them considering what the state of
31:57
Speaker 1: Idaho has just went through? You have to think the
32:00
Speaker 1: prosecutors have a not in my state kind of attitude
32:04
Speaker 1: at this point, and they want to prove a point
32:07
Speaker 1: with Koberger. Koberger, 28, was arrested on December 30th on
32:12
Speaker 1: four counts of first degree murder and burglary. Prosecutors allege
32:16
Speaker 1: he killed Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan
32:20
Speaker 1: Chapin at a shared student house in Moscow, Idaho, during
32:24
Speaker 1: the early hours of November 13th. On January 1st, Jason Labar,
32:30
Speaker 1: Koberger's public defender in Pennsylvania, where he was arrested, said
32:34
Speaker 1: his client is eager to be exonerated of these charges
32:38
Speaker 1: and should be presumed innocent until proven otherwise. And that
32:42
Speaker 1: was all fine and well before the affidavit, right? Now, obviously,
32:46
Speaker 1: if you're in the court or you're going to be
32:48
Speaker 1: a juror, you have to be very, very clinical with
32:51
Speaker 1: how you go about things. But people in the public,
32:54
Speaker 1: we don't have any standard that we have to adhere to.
32:58
Speaker 1: We take a look at evidence and then we say
33:00
Speaker 1: to ourselves, damn, this dude looks guilty as hell. And
33:05
Speaker 1: that's the way a lot of people feel at this point.
33:07
Speaker 1: The evidence against Brian Koberger is very, very strong now.
33:12
Speaker 1: We have not heard the defense or them poke holes
33:15
Speaker 1: in that evidence. And obviously, we'll have to wait for
33:18
Speaker 1: all of that to happen before we can say, oh, yeah,
33:20
Speaker 1: this guy's definitely guilty. But it doesn't look good for him.
33:25
Speaker 1: And usually when you have a strong affidavit like this
33:28
Speaker 1: and you have this kind of charging document with this
33:31
Speaker 1: much evidence in it, they usually have a plethora of
33:35
Speaker 1: evidence behind the scenes that they haven't even unleashed yet.
33:41
Speaker 1: A lot of times they'll hold back, meaning the prosecution.
33:44
Speaker 1: And they'll only give enough to get that probable cause.
33:47
Speaker 1: But after that, they want to wait for discovery and
33:50
Speaker 1: drop this information on the defense like a thousand pounds
33:53
Speaker 1: of bricks. We saw the same thing in the Maxwell trial.
33:58
Speaker 1: There was so many documents that had to be passed
34:00
Speaker 1: over to the defense that it wasn't even funny. But
34:04
Speaker 1: they slow walked it. That way, the defense, they couldn't
34:07
Speaker 1: find their footing really. And I expect the same thing here.
34:10
Speaker 1: The prosecution is not going to be forthcoming with evidence
34:14
Speaker 1: until it's time to be. And that's going to put
34:18
Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger and his defense team on their back foot.
34:24
Speaker 1: Appearing on News Nation on Friday, Perry, who served as
34:27
Speaker 1: Chief Justice of Florida's Ninth Judicial Circuit between 95 and 99,
34:33
Speaker 1: then again from 2001 to 2014, was asked if Idaho
34:38
Speaker 1: prosecutors are going to seek death in this case. Somebody
34:42
Speaker 1: should ask Mr. Perry why they didn't throw Epstein in
34:44
Speaker 1: jail for the rest of his life. He replied, I
34:48
Speaker 1: certainly think, based upon the Idaho statute, that they will
34:51
Speaker 1: seek the death penalty. Idaho has 11 statutory aggravating factors
34:57
Speaker 1: in a quick examination of the statute. There are at
35:00
Speaker 1: least five aggregate aggravating factors that would be applicable in
35:04
Speaker 1: this case that would justify a sentence of death.
35:08
Speaker 2: And look, I agree.
35:09
Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, if all of this evidence bears out,
35:13
Speaker 1: if it all bears fruit and everything points to Brian
35:16
Speaker 1: Koberger and we go through the trial phase and he's
35:19
Speaker 1: convicted of these crimes, 100 percent. death penalty. Someone like
35:25
Speaker 1: this shouldn't be able to sit around in a jail cell,
35:28
Speaker 1: collect fan mail, probably meet someone who wants to marry him.
35:31
Speaker 1: You know the psychos that follow this kind of shit?
35:36
Speaker 1: You know how people are, writing emails and sending letters
35:39
Speaker 1: to serial killers and weirdos.
35:42
Speaker 2: It's insane.
35:44
Speaker 1: So in my opinion, if you murder four people in
35:47
Speaker 1: cold blood like this, whether it be four college students
35:50
Speaker 1: in their bed, or four people in a drug deal
35:53
Speaker 1: gone bad. You should be put to death because you
35:57
Speaker 1: have no business walking amongst the rest of us. You're
36:00
Speaker 1: never going to be rehabilitated. So what's the point in
36:03
Speaker 1: having you linger around in prison for the next 50
36:06
Speaker 1: years on the taxpayer's dime? All you need is for
36:11
Speaker 1: the jury to unanimously find one aggravating factor and find
36:15
Speaker 1: that that factor is not outweighed by any mitigating factors.
36:20
Speaker 1: So there's a high probability that death will be the
36:22
Speaker 1: penalty in this particular case. And remember, there is no
36:26
Speaker 1: insanity plea in Idaho. You can't say that you're insane
36:30
Speaker 1: or you had a momentary lapse of insanity.
36:33
Speaker 2: None of that jazz.
36:34
Speaker 1: They'll throw your ass into a mental hospital until you're
36:38
Speaker 1: competent enough to stand trial. You'll be in there like
36:41
Speaker 1: Junior Soprano was after they tossed his ass in there.
36:46
Speaker 1: So nobody's trying to go to no mental institution, right?
36:49
Speaker 1: I'd rather sit on death row for the rest of
36:50
Speaker 1: my life than sit in a home for the clinically insane.
36:54
Speaker 2: No, thank you.
36:55
Speaker 1: And then you look at his schooling and his background
36:57
Speaker 1: and the fact that he was actively teaching and going
37:00
Speaker 1: after his PhD. Even if insanity was an option here,
37:04
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be a plausible one. In 2011,
37:09
Speaker 1: Perry presided over the trial of Casey Anthony, who was
37:12
Speaker 1: accused of murdering her two-year-old daughter, Kaylee Anthony, In 2008.
37:17
Speaker 1: With prosecutors seeking the death penalty. Casey was found not guilty.
37:21
Speaker 1: Of first degree murder. In July of 2011. After her
37:25
Speaker 1: defense claimed Kaylee. Had drowned in a swimming pool. Though
37:29
Speaker 1: she was convicted of lying to law enforcement. The verdict
37:32
Speaker 1: sparked a heated debate. In legal and non-legal circles alike.
37:36
Speaker 1: With the case branded. The social media trial. Of the century.
37:40
Speaker 1: By Time Magazine. Now I really never followed this case.
37:44
Speaker 2: While it was going on.
37:46
Speaker 1: Honestly, I wasn't really interested in any of this sort
37:49
Speaker 1: of thing back then. I was locked in worrying about,
37:52
Speaker 1: you know, politics and stuff like that. I have a
37:54
Speaker 1: degree in political science and that's usually what I was
37:58
Speaker 1: following up until a few years ago when the Jeffrey
38:02
Speaker 1: Epstein case smacked me in the mouth. Up until that point,
38:05
Speaker 1: I had zero interest or zero desire to follow any
38:09
Speaker 1: of these court trials or these true crime cases. Anything
38:13
Speaker 1: like that was just outside of my wheelhouse. and nothing
38:16
Speaker 1: I was paying attention to. So I've never really followed
38:21
Speaker 1: the Casey Anthony case, and I've never even went to
38:24
Speaker 1: really go back and dig into it. So I really
38:27
Speaker 1: don't have too much to offer in the way of
38:29
Speaker 1: Casey Anthony. During a separate News Nation interview on Thursday,
38:35
Speaker 1: the parents of Kaylee Gonsalves said they want Koberger to
38:38
Speaker 1: receive the death penalty if found guilty. Referring to life
38:42
Speaker 1: in prison, Steve Gonsalves said, That's not a punishment equivalent
38:45
Speaker 1: to being killed. That's God's role. And if you want
38:48
Speaker 1: to play God's role, then you're going to have to
38:51
Speaker 1: answer to him. If I was the judge and the jury,
38:54
Speaker 1: I would do whatever the family wanted me to do.
38:57
Speaker 1: I would ask the family, do you want this guy
38:59
Speaker 1: put to death? And if they said yes, fine, that's
39:01
Speaker 1: what would happen. I mean, enough is enough with these psychopaths,
39:06
Speaker 1: these murderers, these lunatics getting these life sentences or getting
39:10
Speaker 1: put on death row forever and never being executed. If
39:15
Speaker 1: you have the evidence and it's ironclad evidence that the
39:18
Speaker 1: person's responsible for taking the life of another human being
39:23
Speaker 1: and you're in a state where the death penalty is
39:25
Speaker 1: something that is possible, then it certainly has to be
39:28
Speaker 1: looked at in each and every single case.
39:30
Speaker 2: Case, right? And each and every case is unique.
39:33
Speaker 1: And like I said earlier, I don't really ascribe to
39:36
Speaker 1: the death penalty in most instances because you have to
39:40
Speaker 1: have a lot of evidence proving that somebody murdered somebody
39:43
Speaker 1: for me to be okay with the state taking the
39:47
Speaker 1: life of a citizen of the United States of America
39:50
Speaker 1: or anyone else. I'm just not down with the state
39:54
Speaker 1: making those decisions. But in certain circumstances, certain people have
40:00
Speaker 1: no business sharing our air. The probable cause affidavit used
40:06
Speaker 1: to arrest Koberger was released on Thursday, revealing he was
40:10
Speaker 1: near the student's shared house on at least 12 occasions
40:13
Speaker 1: prior to the murders. It also said Dylan Mortensen, one
40:17
Speaker 1: of the two housemates who survived the attack unharmed, had
40:20
Speaker 1: seen a figure clad in black clothing and a mask
40:24
Speaker 1: around the time the murders took place. Ann Taylor, Koberger's
40:28
Speaker 1: Idaho public defender, has been contacted for comment.
40:32
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know why you would do that.
40:34
Speaker 1: She's under a gag order and she's not going to
40:36
Speaker 1: be able to comment on what's going on in this case.
40:40
Speaker 1: So asking the lawyers for comment, asking prosecution for comment,
40:44
Speaker 1: it's going to go nowhere. All we're going to learn
40:46
Speaker 1: at this point, folks, is what we're going to learn
40:49
Speaker 1: in court filings during trial proceedings, leaks that might be
40:53
Speaker 1: coming out. And there might be some other procedural stuff
40:57
Speaker 1: that we, you know, we hear about, but anything coming
41:00
Speaker 1: from people involved in the case, as far as lawyers
41:04
Speaker 1: or prosecutors or anything like that, they're under a gag order.
41:08
Speaker 2: So any information that gets.
41:10
Speaker 1: Released will have to be released via a leak. And
41:14
Speaker 1: So far, we haven't seen too many of those coming
41:17
Speaker 1: from this investigation. So I don't know if we'll see
41:20
Speaker 1: any leaks moving forward, but that's usually how information comes
41:24
Speaker 1: out when there's a gag order. Either way, what do
41:28
Speaker 1: you folks think? Do you think that Brian Koberger should
41:31
Speaker 1: be put to death if he's found guilty? Shoot me
41:34
Speaker 1: some emails and let me know. All right, folks, that's
41:37
Speaker 1: going to do it for this one. If you'd like
41:39
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41:44
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41:51
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