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Opening to Pure Being: Awakening to the Fundamental Nature of Reality with A. H. Almaas (Part 2) · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  two
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  of
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  dialogue
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  12
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  with
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  Ah
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  Almas
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  aka
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  Hamid
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  Ali
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  in
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  our
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  ongoing
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  Wisdom
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  series.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  Life
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  enhancing,
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  Paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuis.
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  One
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  of
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  the
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  amazing
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  things
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  about
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  the
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  book
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  as
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  it's
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  self
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  evident
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  that
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  you
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  know
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  these
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  experiences,
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  but
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  the
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  fact
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  that
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  you're
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  able
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  to
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  language
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  it
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  at
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  such
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  a
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  level,
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  I
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  think
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  that
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  has
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  to
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  be
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  very
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  unique.
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  That's
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  part
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  of
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  what
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  comes
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  through
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  you.
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  You
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  could
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  talk
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  about
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  these
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  things
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  that
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  are
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  almost
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  incomprehensible
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  but
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  take
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  us
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  right
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  to
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  the
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  edge
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  where
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  we
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  begin
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  to
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  experience.
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  I
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  mean
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  it's
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  really.
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  It's
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  just
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  phenomenal.
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  I
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  think
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  it
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  has
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  to
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  do
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  with
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  the
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  times.
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  The
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  fact
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  that
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  this
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  elaboration,
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  this
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  detailed
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  telling
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  of
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  the
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  experience
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  is
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  happening
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  is
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  because
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  I
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  don't
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  think
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  it
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  was
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  that
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  possible
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  before.
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  Our
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  times
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  have
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  a
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  lot
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  to
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  do
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  with
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  it.
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  Why
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  wasn't
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  it
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  possible
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  before?
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  It's
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  not
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  just
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  me.
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  Well,
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  there
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  are
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  a
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  bunch
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  of
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  factors.
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  One
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  of
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  them,
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  many
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  of
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  the
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  teachers
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  thought
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  that
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  those
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  should
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  not
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  be
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  spoken,
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  so
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  to
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  speak.
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  It
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  is
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  not
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  good
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  for
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  the
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  student
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  that
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  will
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  give
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  the
• 1:39
  student
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  idea
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  that
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  try
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  to
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  run
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  after
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  these
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  things
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  and
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  that
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  you
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  can't
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  do
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  that.
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  So
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  they
• 1:45
  thought
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  it
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  was
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  like
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  an
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  antidote
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  that
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  I
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  still
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  some
• 1:49
  teacher
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  I
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  talk
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  with,
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  they
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  don't
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  want
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  to
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  talk
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  in
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  this
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  detail.
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  They
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  think
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  it
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  will
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  prejudice
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  their
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  students.
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  I
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  thought
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  what
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  do
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  you
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  mean
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  prejudice
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  your
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  students?
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  Your
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  student
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  not
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  learning
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  as
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  much
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  as
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  my
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  students.
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  I
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  am
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  talking
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  and
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  because
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  I
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  am
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  talking
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  they
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  are
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  able
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  to
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  get
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  it
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  because
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  it's
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  so
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  subtle,
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  so
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  unknown,
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  somebody
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  talking
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  about
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  it,
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  you
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  point
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  to
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  it,
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  you
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  say,
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  oh,
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  there's
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  this
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  possibility,
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  this
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  is
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  such
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  and
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  such
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  and
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  such.
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  So
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  they
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  might
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  try.
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  True
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  people
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  might
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  try
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  to
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  go
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  after
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  it,
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  but
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  it
• 2:19
  won't
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  work.
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  You
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  still
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  have
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  to
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  do
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  the
• 2:21
  practices.
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  That
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  is
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  one
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  thing
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  when
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  why
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  it
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  wasn't
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  before.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  the
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  culture
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  is
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  at
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  the
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  present
• 2:28
  time
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  is
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  a
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  different.
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  There
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  are
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  a
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  meeting
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  of
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  many
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  teachings
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  present
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  and
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  many
• 2:34
  teachings,
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  dialogue
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  between
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  many
• 2:36
  teachings.
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  And
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  our
• 2:38
  psychology
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  has
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  developed
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  a
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  developed
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  language,
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  philosophy
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  developed
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  developed
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  language.
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  All
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  of
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  these
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  have
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  to
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  be
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  in
• 2:48
  place
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  for
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  this
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  kind
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  of
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  communication,
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  I
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  think
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  to
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  happen.
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  Right
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  place,
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  right
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  time.
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  Yeah,
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  that's
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  very
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  important.
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  I
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  happen
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  to
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  be
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  the
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  instrument
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  for
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  it.
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  You
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  know,
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  I
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  happen
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  to
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  be
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  straddle
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  both
• 3:02
  world,
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  the
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  old
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  world
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  and
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  the
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  new
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  world,
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  the
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  science
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  and
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  the
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  non
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  science.
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  So
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  that
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  gave
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  me
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  kind
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  of
• 3:09
  capacity
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  to
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  do
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  it.
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  My
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  mind
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  was
• 3:12
  honed
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  that
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  way
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  so
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  I
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  can
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  speak
• 3:16
  it.
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  And
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  amid
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  you
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  mentioned
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  something
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  really
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  so
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  central
• 3:21
  and
• 3:21
  crucial,
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  which
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  is
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  that
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  these
• 3:24
  discussions
• 3:25
  are
• 3:25
  incredible
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  and
• 3:26
  they're
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  beautiful
• 3:27
  pointers.
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  And
• 3:28
  the
• 3:29
  goal
• 3:29
  is
• 3:29
  not
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  understanding,
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  or
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  not
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  only
• 3:31
  understanding,
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  but
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  realization,
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  direct
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  experience
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  for
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  ourselves.
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  And
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  that
• 3:36
  kind
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  of
• 3:36
  training
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  to
• 3:37
  have
• 3:37
  these
• 3:38
  direct
• 3:38
  experiences
• 3:39
  is
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  available
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  through
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  your
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  diamond
• 3:41
  approach.
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  And
• 3:41
  you've
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  systematically
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  laid
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  out
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  a
• 3:44
  training
• 3:44
  program
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  for
• 3:45
  people
• 3:45
  to
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  have
• 3:46
  the
• 3:46
  kind
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  of
• 3:46
  realizations
• 3:47
  that
• 3:47
  you're
• 3:48
  from
• 3:48
  which
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  you've
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  sourced
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  the
• 3:49
  material
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  and
• 3:50
  to
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  which
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  you're
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  appointing
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  us.
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  Yeah,
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  the
• 3:52
  reason
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  I
• 3:53
  talk
• 3:53
  about
• 3:53
  it
• 3:53
  is
• 3:53
  not
• 3:54
  just
• 3:54
  talk
• 3:54
  about
• 3:54
  it.
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  I
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  want
• 3:55
  people
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  to
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  experience
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  it.
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  I
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  want
• 3:58
  people
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  to
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  share
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  and
• 3:59
  experience.
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  Because
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  it
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  is
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  the
• 4:01
  potential
• 4:02
  of
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  all
• 4:02
  humanity.
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  All
• 4:05
  humans
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  have
• 4:06
  this
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  as
• 4:07
  their
• 4:07
  potential
• 4:07
  possibility.
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  And
• 4:08
  all
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  teachings
• 4:09
  say
• 4:09
  that,
• 4:09
  of
• 4:10
  course,
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  all
• 4:11
  teaching,
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  they're
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  trying
• 4:12
  their
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  best
• 4:13
  to
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  help
• 4:14
  others
• 4:15
  get
• 4:15
  to
• 4:16
  it,
• 4:16
  to
• 4:16
  get
• 4:16
  to
• 4:16
  this
• 4:17
  kind
• 4:17
  of
• 4:17
  realm.
• 4:18
  That's
• 4:18
  wrong
• 4:19
  in
• 4:19
  many
• 4:19
  other
• 4:19
  realms.
• 4:20
  But
• 4:20
  this
• 4:20
  is
• 4:20
  one
• 4:20
  of
• 4:20
  the
• 4:21
  fundamental
• 4:22
  realms
• 4:22
  of
• 4:23
  experience,
• 4:23
  of
• 4:24
  awakening
• 4:25
  or
• 4:26
  realization.
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  And
• 4:29
  in
• 4:29
  our
• 4:30
  discussion
• 4:30
  so
• 4:31
  far,
• 4:31
  centering
• 4:32
  around
• 4:32
  on
• 4:32
  pure
• 4:33
  presence,
• 4:34
  we've
• 4:34
  talked
• 4:35
  about
• 4:35
  the
• 4:36
  fullness
• 4:37
  of
• 4:38
  experience
• 4:39
  and
• 4:39
  the
• 4:39
  richness,
• 4:40
  the
• 4:41
  completeness
• 4:42
  that
• 4:42
  comes
• 4:42
  with
• 4:42
  that.
• 4:43
  And
• 4:44
  you
• 4:44
  also
• 4:45
  emphasize
• 4:45
  that
• 4:46
  it's
• 4:46
  kind
• 4:47
  of
• 4:47
  like
• 4:47
  two
• 4:47
  sides
• 4:48
  here.
• 4:48
  There's
• 4:51
  one
• 4:51
  way
• 4:51
  in
• 4:51
  which
• 4:51
  presence
• 4:52
  can
• 4:52
  be
• 4:52
  experienced
• 4:53
  is
• 4:53
  this
• 4:54
  fullness,
• 4:54
  completeness.
• 4:56
  And
• 4:56
  another
• 4:56
  side,
• 4:57
  which
• 4:58
  isn't
• 4:58
  the
• 4:58
  opposite,
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  even
• 5:00
  though
• 5:00
  it
• 5:00
  may
• 5:00
  sound
• 5:01
  like,
• 5:01
  is
• 5:02
  a
• 5:02
  kind
• 5:02
  of
• 5:02
  transparency
• 5:04
  or
• 5:04
  emptiness,
• 5:06
  nothingness
• 5:07
  to
• 5:08
  pure
• 5:08
  presence.
• 5:08
  So
• 5:09
  perhaps
• 5:09
  you
• 5:09
  could
• 5:09
  speak
• 5:09
  to
• 5:10
  that
• 5:10
  side.
• 5:11
  Yeah,
• 5:12
  you
• 5:13
  see?
• 5:13
  And
• 5:15
  what
• 5:15
  I
• 5:15
  call
• 5:15
  the
• 5:16
  first
• 5:16
  turning,
• 5:16
  when
• 5:17
  we
• 5:17
  experience
• 5:17
  presence
• 5:18
  in
• 5:18
  a
• 5:20
  more
• 5:20
  localized,
• 5:22
  limited
• 5:23
  way.
• 5:24
  Presence
• 5:25
  tend
• 5:25
  to
• 5:25
  arise
• 5:26
  in
• 5:26
  spaciousness,
• 5:27
  space,
• 5:27
  what
• 5:28
  I
• 5:28
  call
• 5:28
  inner
• 5:28
  space.
• 5:29
  So
• 5:30
  there's
• 5:30
  always
• 5:31
  with
• 5:31
  the
• 5:32
  fullness,
• 5:32
  presence.
• 5:33
  There
• 5:33
  is
• 5:33
  the
• 5:33
  other
• 5:34
  side,
• 5:35
  which
• 5:35
  is
• 5:35
  the
• 5:35
  emptiness
• 5:36
  of
• 5:36
  spaces,
• 5:37
  but
• 5:37
  appears
• 5:38
  more
• 5:38
  like
• 5:38
  empty
• 5:39
  space,
• 5:39
  like
• 5:40
  physical
• 5:40
  space,
• 5:41
  but
• 5:41
  it
• 5:41
  is
• 5:41
  an
• 5:42
  inner
• 5:42
  experience
• 5:42
  space,
• 5:44
  clean,
• 5:44
  clear,
• 5:45
  transparent,
• 5:46
  clear.
• 5:47
  And
• 5:47
  usually
• 5:48
  the
• 5:48
  presence,
• 5:49
  whether
• 5:49
  it
• 5:49
  is
• 5:50
  the
• 5:50
  redness
• 5:50
  of
• 5:51
  strength
• 5:52
  or
• 5:52
  the
• 5:53
  brilliance
• 5:53
  of
• 5:54
  intelligence,
• 5:55
  or
• 5:55
  is
• 5:55
  the
• 5:56
  apricot
• 5:56
  of
• 5:56
  fulfillment,
• 5:57
  usually
• 5:58
  arises
• 5:58
  within
• 5:59
  the
• 5:59
  spaciousness
• 6:00
  scene.
• 6:01
  And
• 6:01
  so
• 6:01
  seems
• 6:02
  like
• 6:02
  in
• 6:03
  the
• 6:03
  space.
• 6:03
  Usually
• 6:04
  I
• 6:05
  think
• 6:05
  of
• 6:05
  it
• 6:05
  in
• 6:05
  the
• 6:05
  first
• 6:06
  training
• 6:06
  as
• 6:07
  one
• 6:07
  of
• 6:07
  the
• 6:07
  manifestation
• 6:08
  of
• 6:08
  being.
• 6:10
  Let's
• 6:10
  say
• 6:10
  being
• 6:11
  can
• 6:11
  be
• 6:12
  love
• 6:12
  or
• 6:14
  peace,
• 6:14
  but
• 6:15
  can
• 6:15
  be
• 6:15
  just
• 6:16
  spaciousness,
• 6:18
  similar
• 6:19
  to
• 6:19
  space,
• 6:20
  empty,
• 6:22
  extended,
• 6:22
  infinite
• 6:23
  space.
• 6:24
  But
• 6:24
  the
• 6:24
  two
• 6:24
  things
• 6:25
  appear
• 6:25
  as
• 6:26
  if
• 6:26
  two
• 6:26
  things,
• 6:27
  the
• 6:27
  two
• 6:27
  different
• 6:28
  aspects,
• 6:28
  two
• 6:29
  different
• 6:29
  manifestations
• 6:29
  of
• 6:30
  being.
• 6:31
  There
• 6:31
  is
• 6:31
  the
• 6:31
  presence
• 6:32
  that
• 6:32
  appears
• 6:33
  within
• 6:33
  spaciousness.
• 6:34
  Spaciousness
• 6:35
  is
• 6:35
  needed.
• 6:35
  Like
• 6:36
  spaciousness
• 6:36
  is
• 6:36
  the
• 6:37
  clearing,
• 6:37
  clearing
• 6:38
  away
• 6:39
  the
• 6:39
  Persona,
• 6:40
  the
• 6:40
  ego,
• 6:41
  so
• 6:41
  that
• 6:42
  there
• 6:42
  is
• 6:42
  a
• 6:42
  possibility
• 6:44
  of
• 6:44
  presence
• 6:45
  to
• 6:45
  emerge
• 6:45
  in
• 6:46
  one
• 6:46
  quality
• 6:46
  or
• 6:46
  another.
• 6:48
  In
• 6:48
  this
• 6:48
  dimension,
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  two
• 6:50
  things
• 6:51
  are
• 6:51
  inseparable.
• 6:53
  The
• 6:53
  presence
• 6:54
  and
• 6:55
  the
• 6:55
  spaciousness
• 6:56
  are
• 6:56
  inseparable
• 6:58
  they
• 6:58
  are
• 6:59
  non
• 6:59
  dual,
• 7:01
  they
• 7:01
  are
• 7:02
  interpenetrating,
• 7:03
  they're
• 7:03
  inside
• 7:04
  each
• 7:04
  other.
• 7:06
  So
• 7:06
  usually
• 7:07
  we
• 7:07
  first
• 7:08
  encounter
• 7:08
  the
• 7:09
  fullness.
• 7:10
  We
• 7:10
  need
• 7:10
  to
• 7:10
  stay
• 7:10
  in
• 7:11
  the
• 7:11
  fullness
• 7:11
  for
• 7:11
  some
• 7:12
  time
• 7:12
  to
• 7:12
  recognize
• 7:13
  it
• 7:13
  is
• 7:13
  also
• 7:14
  nothing.
• 7:16
  So
• 7:17
  being
• 7:17
  and
• 7:18
  nothing
• 7:18
  turn
• 7:19
  out
• 7:19
  to
• 7:19
  be
• 7:20
  two
• 7:20
  sides
• 7:20
  of
• 7:20
  the
• 7:21
  same
• 7:21
  thing.
• 7:22
  But
• 7:22
  the
• 7:23
  spaciousness
• 7:24
  here
• 7:24
  appears
• 7:25
  a
• 7:25
  little
• 7:26
  different
• 7:26
  than
• 7:26
  the
• 7:27
  space
• 7:28
  that
• 7:28
  is
• 7:30
  distinct
• 7:30
  as
• 7:31
  pure
• 7:32
  spaciousness,
• 7:33
  within
• 7:33
  which
• 7:34
  arises
• 7:35
  forms
• 7:35
  of
• 7:36
  presence.
• 7:37
  Here
• 7:37
  the
• 7:37
  spaciousness
• 7:38
  appears
• 7:38
  different.
• 7:39
  The
• 7:39
  way
• 7:39
  I
• 7:40
  look
• 7:40
  at
• 7:40
  it,
• 7:41
  you
• 7:41
  know,
• 7:41
  I
• 7:42
  use
• 7:42
  mathematics
• 7:43
  here,
• 7:44
  the
• 7:45
  spaciousness
• 7:47
  and
• 7:48
  what
• 7:48
  I
• 7:48
  call
• 7:48
  the
• 7:49
  first
• 7:49
  turning.
• 7:49
  Now
• 7:49
  we
• 7:50
  talk
• 7:50
  about
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  second
• 7:50
  turning,
• 7:51
  which
• 7:52
  I
• 7:52
  call
• 7:52
  in
• 7:52
  this
• 7:52
  teaching
• 7:53
  the
• 7:54
  part
• 7:54
  of
• 7:54
  the
• 7:54
  dimension
• 7:54
  of
• 7:55
  the
• 7:55
  second
• 7:55
  turning.
• 7:56
  So
• 7:57
  this
• 7:57
  pure
• 7:57
  being
• 7:58
  is
• 7:58
  part
• 7:58
  of
• 7:59
  the
• 7:59
  second
• 7:59
  and
• 7:59
  first
• 8:00
  turning,
• 8:00
  which
• 8:01
  are
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  qualities
• 8:01
  of
• 8:02
  presence
• 8:03
  emerging
• 8:03
  in
• 8:04
  space.
• 8:05
  The
• 8:05
  space
• 8:06
  they
• 8:06
  arise
• 8:07
  I
• 8:07
  called
• 8:07
  Euclidean,
• 8:09
  Euclidean
• 8:10
  space,
• 8:10
  meaning
• 8:11
  it
• 8:11
  is
• 8:12
  straight.
• 8:13
  Straight
• 8:14
  lines
• 8:14
  go
• 8:14
  straight.
• 8:15
  Euclidean
• 8:16
  mean
• 8:16
  flat,
• 8:17
  like
• 8:19
  two
• 8:19
  dimensional
• 8:20
  Euclidean.
• 8:20
  Space
• 8:20
  is
• 8:21
  flat
• 8:21
  like
• 8:21
  a
• 8:22
  plane.
• 8:23
  And
• 8:23
  then
• 8:23
  it
• 8:24
  become
• 8:24
  three
• 8:24
  dimensional,
• 8:25
  it's
• 8:25
  still
• 8:25
  flat,
• 8:26
  it
• 8:26
  is
• 8:26
  not
• 8:27
  curved
• 8:27
  like
• 8:28
  Einstein.
• 8:28
  Space
• 8:29
  can
• 8:29
  be
• 8:29
  curved.
• 8:30
  That
• 8:31
  means
• 8:31
  not
• 8:31
  Euclidean.
• 8:32
  See,
• 8:33
  Euclidean
• 8:34
  is
• 8:35
  completely
• 8:36
  straight.
• 8:36
  All
• 8:36
  lines
• 8:37
  are
• 8:37
  straight.
• 8:38
  The
• 8:39
  space
• 8:39
  here
• 8:40
  is
• 8:40
  non
• 8:40
  Euclidean.
• 8:42
  I
• 8:42
  call
• 8:42
  it
• 8:43
  Riemannian.
• 8:45
  Riemann
• 8:45
  is
• 8:45
  another
• 8:46
  mathematician
• 8:47
  who
• 8:47
  developed
• 8:48
  non
• 8:48
  Euclidean
• 8:49
  geometry,
• 8:51
  where
• 8:52
  the
• 8:52
  shortest
• 8:53
  distance,
• 8:54
  the
• 8:54
  shortest
• 8:55
  line
• 8:55
  between
• 8:57
  two
• 8:57
  points
• 8:57
  is
• 8:58
  a
• 8:58
  curve,
• 8:58
  not
• 8:59
  a
• 8:59
  straight
• 8:59
  line.
• 9:00
  Because
• 9:00
  the
• 9:01
  space
• 9:01
  itself
• 9:01
  curves
• 9:03
  just
• 9:03
  like
• 9:03
  Einstein's
• 9:04
  spaces.
• 9:05
  It's
• 9:05
  called
• 9:05
  non
• 9:06
  Euclidean
• 9:06
  geometry.
• 9:08
  So
• 9:08
  the
• 9:09
  space
• 9:09
  here
• 9:10
  is
• 9:10
  non
• 9:10
  Euclidean,
• 9:12
  it's
• 9:12
  not
• 9:12
  flat.
• 9:14
  Hence
• 9:15
  it
• 9:15
  is
• 9:16
  difficult
• 9:16
  to
• 9:17
  give
• 9:17
  it
• 9:17
  dimensionality.
• 9:18
  To
• 9:18
  give
• 9:19
  it
• 9:19
  how
• 9:19
  many
• 9:19
  dimensions?
• 9:20
  What's
• 9:20
  the
• 9:20
  dimension?
• 9:21
  So
• 9:22
  I
• 9:22
  call
• 9:22
  it
• 9:22
  nothing.
• 9:23
  Instead
• 9:24
  of
• 9:24
  calling
• 9:24
  space,
• 9:24
  I
• 9:25
  call
• 9:25
  it
• 9:25
  nothingness.
• 9:26
  It's
• 9:26
  a
• 9:26
  sense
• 9:26
  like
• 9:27
  being
• 9:28
  and
• 9:28
  nothing.
• 9:30
  Being
• 9:30
  is
• 9:31
  fullness,
• 9:32
  nothingness
• 9:32
  is
• 9:33
  nothing.
• 9:33
  There
• 9:34
  is
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  other
• 9:35
  side
• 9:36
  of
• 9:36
  it
• 9:36
  and
• 9:37
  there
• 9:37
  are
• 9:37
  two
• 9:38
  sides
• 9:39
  of
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  same
• 9:39
  thing.
• 9:40
  Like
• 9:40
  they're
• 9:40
  inside
• 9:41
  each
• 9:41
  other.
• 9:42
  They
• 9:42
  are
• 9:43
  like
• 9:44
  if
• 9:44
  you
• 9:45
  take
• 9:46
  presence,
• 9:46
  which
• 9:47
  is
• 9:47
  of
• 9:47
  course
• 9:48
  has
• 9:48
  no.
• 9:49
  And
• 9:50
  if
• 9:50
  you
• 9:50
  could
• 9:50
  take
• 9:51
  source,
• 9:51
  let's
• 9:52
  say
• 9:52
  the
• 9:53
  presence
• 9:54
  that
• 9:54
  is
• 9:55
  in
• 9:55
  this
• 9:55
  room
• 9:57
  and
• 9:57
  take
• 9:57
  it
• 9:58
  at
• 9:58
  any
• 9:58
  point.
• 9:58
  At
• 9:59
  this
• 9:59
  side
• 9:59
  here
• 10:00
  you'll
• 10:00
  notice
• 10:01
  at
• 10:01
  this
• 10:01
  side,
• 10:02
  the
• 10:02
  presence
• 10:03
  is
• 10:03
  also
• 10:03
  nothingness.
• 10:05
  One
• 10:05
  side
• 10:05
  is
• 10:06
  present,
• 10:06
  one
• 10:06
  side
• 10:07
  nothing.
• 10:07
  You
• 10:07
  come
• 10:08
  here,
• 10:08
  presence
• 10:09
  and
• 10:09
  nothingness.
• 10:10
  You
• 10:10
  come
• 10:11
  here,
• 10:11
  presence
• 10:12
  and
• 10:12
  nothingness.
• 10:12
  Here,
• 10:13
  presence,
• 10:13
  nothingness.
• 10:14
  So
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  nothingness
• 10:16
  is
• 10:17
  completely
• 10:17
  wed
• 10:18
  to
• 10:18
  the
• 10:19
  beingness,
• 10:20
  to
• 10:20
  the
• 10:20
  fullness.
• 10:21
  And
• 10:22
  the
• 10:22
  nothingness
• 10:23
  is
• 10:23
  amazing
• 10:24
  sense
• 10:25
  of
• 10:25
  freedom,
• 10:26
  lightness
• 10:27
  and
• 10:28
  kind
• 10:28
  of.
• 10:29
  It
• 10:29
  is
• 10:29
  a
• 10:29
  purity.
• 10:30
  So
• 10:31
  what
• 10:31
  we
• 10:31
  find
• 10:32
  in
• 10:32
  this
• 10:32
  dimension,
• 10:33
  the
• 10:33
  being
• 10:34
  and
• 10:34
  nothing
• 10:35
  are
• 10:35
  not
• 10:35
  separate.
• 10:36
  There
• 10:36
  are
• 10:37
  two
• 10:37
  ways
• 10:37
  of
• 10:38
  knowing
• 10:38
  the
• 10:38
  same
• 10:39
  thing.
• 10:40
  So
• 10:40
  I
• 10:40
  could
• 10:40
  feel
• 10:41
  it
• 10:41
  as
• 10:41
  a
• 10:41
  fullness,
• 10:42
  or
• 10:43
  we
• 10:43
  could
• 10:43
  feel
• 10:43
  this
• 10:44
  as
• 10:44
  an
• 10:44
  emptiness.
• 10:45
  And
• 10:46
  the
• 10:46
  emptiness
• 10:46
  here
• 10:47
  I
• 10:47
  call
• 10:47
  it
• 10:48
  nothingness.
• 10:48
  There
• 10:49
  are
• 10:49
  many
• 10:49
  kind
• 10:50
  of
• 10:50
  emptiness.
• 10:50
  In
• 10:51
  this
• 10:51
  teaching
• 10:52
  I
• 10:52
  talk
• 10:53
  about
• 10:53
  space,
• 10:54
  Euclidean
• 10:54
  space.
• 10:55
  Now
• 10:56
  I'm
• 10:56
  talking
• 10:56
  about
• 10:56
  non
• 10:57
  Euclidean
• 10:57
  space.
• 10:57
  I
• 10:58
  call
• 10:58
  nothing.
• 10:58
  There
• 10:59
  are
• 10:59
  other
• 10:59
  kinds
• 11:00
  we
• 11:00
  will
• 11:00
  talk
• 11:00
  later
• 11:00
  about.
• 11:01
  See?
• 11:03
  So
• 11:03
  the
• 11:03
  inner
• 11:04
  emptiness
• 11:05
  are
• 11:05
  many
• 11:05
  dimensions
• 11:06
  of
• 11:06
  it.
• 11:07
  And
• 11:07
  this
• 11:08
  pure
• 11:08
  presence
• 11:08
  reveals
• 11:09
  one
• 11:09
  of
• 11:10
  the
• 11:10
  main
• 11:10
  dimension,
• 11:11
  which
• 11:11
  is
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  feeling
• 11:13
  of
• 11:13
  nothingness.
• 11:14
  So
• 11:14
  you
• 11:15
  can
• 11:15
  feel
• 11:16
  fullness
• 11:16
  that
• 11:17
  has
• 11:17
  nothingness
• 11:18
  implicit
• 11:19
  in
• 11:19
  us.
• 11:19
  Or
• 11:20
  the
• 11:20
  fullness
• 11:20
  can
• 11:21
  dominate.
• 11:21
  You're
• 11:22
  not
• 11:22
  even
• 11:22
  aware
• 11:22
  of
• 11:22
  the
• 11:23
  nothingness
• 11:23
  or
• 11:24
  the
• 11:24
  nothingness
• 11:24
  can
• 11:25
  dominate.
• 11:25
  So
• 11:26
  everything
• 11:26
  is
• 11:26
  nothing.
• 11:27
  Everything
• 11:27
  is
• 11:28
  an
• 11:28
  expression
• 11:28
  of
• 11:28
  nothing.
• 11:29
  And
• 11:29
  nothing
• 11:30
  is
• 11:30
  transparent,
• 11:31
  clear,
• 11:31
  colorless,
• 11:33
  pure
• 11:34
  and
• 11:34
  amid.
• 11:34
  Would
• 11:35
  you
• 11:35
  say
• 11:35
  that
• 11:35
  different
• 11:35
  traditions
• 11:36
  emphasize
• 11:38
  different
• 11:38
  sides
• 11:38
  of
• 11:39
  that?
• 11:39
  For
• 11:39
  example,
• 11:39
  I
• 11:40
  think
• 11:40
  of
• 11:40
  Vedanta
• 11:41
  or
• 11:42
  Hinduism
• 11:42
  as
• 11:43
  emphasizing
• 11:44
  the
• 11:44
  fullness
• 11:45
  and
• 11:45
  perhaps
• 11:46
  Buddhism
• 11:46
  as
• 11:46
  emphasizing
• 11:47
  the
• 11:48
  nothingness.
• 11:51
  I
• 11:51
  think
• 11:51
  there
• 11:51
  is
• 11:52
  a
• 11:52
  truth
• 11:52
  to
• 11:52
  that.
• 11:52
  When
• 11:53
  you
• 11:53
  listen
• 11:53
  to
• 11:53
  Vedanta
• 11:54
  or
• 11:54
  read
• 11:55
  their
• 11:55
  text,
• 11:56
  they're
• 11:56
  talking
• 11:56
  about
• 11:57
  Sat
• 11:57
  chitnanta.
• 11:58
  Sat
• 11:59
  means
• 12:00
  being
• 12:01
  Sat.
• 12:02
  None
• 12:02
  of
• 12:02
  those
• 12:02
  is
• 12:03
  emptiness.
• 12:04
  Sat
• 12:05
  is
• 12:05
  being
• 12:05
  or
• 12:06
  truth.
• 12:06
  Chit
• 12:07
  is
• 12:07
  consciousness
• 12:08
  and
• 12:09
  Ananda
• 12:10
  is
• 12:10
  joy
• 12:10
  or
• 12:11
  good
• 12:11
  feeling.
• 12:12
  So
• 12:12
  all
• 12:12
  these
• 12:13
  are
• 12:13
  characteristic
• 12:14
  of
• 12:14
  true
• 12:14
  nature.
• 12:15
  But
• 12:15
  none
• 12:15
  of
• 12:16
  them
• 12:16
  speaks
• 12:16
  about
• 12:16
  the
• 12:17
  emptiness.
• 12:18
  It's
• 12:18
  not
• 12:18
  like
• 12:18
  they
• 12:18
  don't
• 12:19
  know
• 12:19
  about
• 12:19
  the
• 12:19
  emptiness.
• 12:20
  It
• 12:20
  is
• 12:21
  not
• 12:21
  included
• 12:21
  in
• 12:22
  the
• 12:22
  name.
• 12:23
  Buddhists
• 12:23
  make
• 12:24
  emptiness
• 12:25
  be
• 12:25
  central
• 12:25
  to
• 12:26
  their
• 12:26
  teaching,
• 12:26
  which
• 12:27
  we
• 12:27
  will
• 12:27
  talk
• 12:28
  about
• 12:28
  in
• 12:28
  one
• 12:28
  of
• 12:29
  the
• 12:29
  chapters,
• 12:30
  but
• 12:30
  not
• 12:30
  this
• 12:31
  one.
• 12:31
  You
• 12:31
  get
• 12:32
  to
• 12:32
  talk
• 12:32
  about
• 12:32
  the
• 12:33
  empty,
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  Buddhist,
• 12:34
  what
• 12:34
  I
• 12:34
  call
• 12:34
  Buddhist
• 12:35
  emptiness.
• 12:37
  You
• 12:37
  know,
• 12:37
  then
• 12:38
  nothingness
• 12:38
  now
• 12:39
  comes
• 12:39
  close
• 12:40
  to
• 12:40
  the
• 12:40
  Buddhist
• 12:40
  emptiness.
• 12:41
  But
• 12:41
  it
• 12:41
  is
• 12:42
  not
• 12:42
  exactly
• 12:43
  what.
• 12:44
  Because
• 12:44
  you
• 12:45
  know,
• 12:45
  if
• 12:45
  you
• 12:46
  for
• 12:46
  instance,
• 12:47
  listen
• 12:47
  to
• 12:48
  the
• 12:48
  Dalai
• 12:48
  Lama
• 12:49
  or
• 12:49
  any
• 12:49
  one
• 12:49
  of
• 12:50
  those,
• 12:50
  they
• 12:51
  talk,
• 12:51
  they
• 12:51
  define
• 12:52
  emptiness
• 12:53
  as
• 12:54
  the
• 12:55
  non
• 12:55
  existence
• 12:56
  of
• 12:56
  forms.
• 12:58
  This
• 12:58
  nothingness
• 12:59
  is
• 12:59
  not
• 12:59
  the
• 12:59
  non
• 12:59
  existence.
• 13:01
  It
• 13:01
  is
• 13:02
  the
• 13:02
  other
• 13:02
  side
• 13:02
  of
• 13:03
  existence.
• 13:04
  It's
• 13:04
  the
• 13:04
  inner
• 13:05
  nature
• 13:05
  of
• 13:05
  existence.
• 13:06
  It
• 13:06
  does
• 13:07
  not
• 13:07
  negate
• 13:07
  existence.
• 13:08
  This
• 13:08
  nothingness,
• 13:09
  the
• 13:09
  Buddha's
• 13:10
  emptiness
• 13:10
  negates
• 13:11
  existence,
• 13:12
  which
• 13:13
  we'll
• 13:13
  get
• 13:13
  to
• 13:13
  at
• 13:13
  some
• 13:14
  point
• 13:14
  in
• 13:14
  another
• 13:14
  chapter.
• 13:16
  Here
• 13:16
  we
• 13:16
  talk
• 13:17
  about
• 13:17
  the
• 13:17
  whole
• 13:18
  realm
• 13:19
  of
• 13:19
  being.
• 13:19
  So
• 13:20
  too
• 13:20
  Vedanta,
• 13:21
  I
• 13:21
  think,
• 13:21
  than
• 13:22
  Buddhism
• 13:22
  here,
• 13:23
  closer
• 13:24
  to
• 13:24
  Pedanta,
• 13:25
  close
• 13:25
  to
• 13:26
  Master
• 13:26
  Eckhart
• 13:27
  or
• 13:27
  Ibn
• 13:27
  Arabi.
• 13:28
  Those
• 13:28
  people
• 13:29
  who
• 13:29
  talk
• 13:29
  about
• 13:29
  being
• 13:30
  or
• 13:30
  existence,
• 13:31
  like
• 13:31
  Shabistari
• 13:33
  in
• 13:33
  his
• 13:33
  book
• 13:34
  the
• 13:34
  Garden
• 13:35
  of
• 13:35
  Secrets,
• 13:36
  I
• 13:36
  think
• 13:36
  it's
• 13:36
  called.
• 13:37
  He
• 13:37
  talk
• 13:38
  about
• 13:38
  the
• 13:39
  ocean
• 13:39
  with
• 13:39
  no
• 13:39
  shores.
• 13:41
  Being,
• 13:41
  he
• 13:42
  said
• 13:42
  an
• 13:43
  atom
• 13:43
  greater
• 13:44
  than
• 13:44
  the
• 13:44
  whole.
• 13:45
  Another
• 13:46
  paradox.
• 13:47
  Yeah,
• 13:48
  I
• 13:48
  love
• 13:48
  paradox.
• 13:49
  I
• 13:49
  love
• 13:49
  those
• 13:49
  paradoxes.
• 13:50
  It's
• 13:50
  a
• 13:50
  good
• 13:51
  ok,
• 13:52
  poetry.
• 13:53
  And
• 13:53
  amid
• 13:54
  you
• 13:54
  are
• 13:54
  pointing
• 13:55
  to
• 13:55
  something.
• 13:56
  So
• 13:57
  the
• 13:58
  infinite.
• 13:58
  The
• 13:59
  infinite,
• 14:00
  the
• 14:00
  fullness,
• 14:00
  the
• 14:01
  completeness,
• 14:02
  the
• 14:02
  transparency
• 14:03
  of
• 14:04
  presence
• 14:04
  has
• 14:05
  this
• 14:05
  feeling
• 14:05
  of
• 14:06
  something
• 14:06
  Cosmic,
• 14:07
  vast,
• 14:08
  which
• 14:08
  it
• 14:08
  is
• 14:08
  boundless,
• 14:09
  of
• 14:09
  course,
• 14:10
  as
• 14:10
  you
• 14:11
  describe.
• 14:12
  But
• 14:12
  then
• 14:12
  you
• 14:13
  beautifully
• 14:13
  bring
• 14:14
  it
• 14:14
  down
• 14:14
  to
• 14:15
  ordinary
• 14:16
  experience,
• 14:17
  pointing
• 14:17
  out
• 14:17
  that
• 14:17
  this
• 14:18
  recognition
• 14:18
  of
• 14:19
  pure
• 14:20
  presence,
• 14:20
  its
• 14:21
  fullness
• 14:21
  and
• 14:22
  emptiness
• 14:23
  or
• 14:24
  nothingness,
• 14:25
  has
• 14:25
  a
• 14:25
  strange
• 14:26
  familiarity.
• 14:27
  And
• 14:27
  it's
• 14:28
  actually
• 14:28
  the
• 14:28
  familiarity,
• 14:29
  the
• 14:29
  recognition
• 14:30
  that
• 14:30
  this
• 14:30
  is
• 14:31
  actually
• 14:31
  the
• 14:32
  nature
• 14:33
  of
• 14:33
  our
• 14:33
  ordinary
• 14:34
  awareness.
• 14:35
  Yeah,
• 14:36
  that's
• 14:36
  the
• 14:36
  thing,
• 14:36
  actually.
• 14:37
  I
• 14:38
  remember
• 14:38
  having
• 14:38
  that
• 14:39
  experience
• 14:39
  at
• 14:39
  some
• 14:40
  point
• 14:41
  after
• 14:41
  learning
• 14:42
  about
• 14:42
  the
• 14:42
  being
• 14:43
  experiencing
• 14:44
  my
• 14:44
  ordinary
• 14:45
  experience.
• 14:46
  And
• 14:46
  I'm
• 14:46
  aware
• 14:47
  of
• 14:47
  things.
• 14:47
  And
• 14:47
  I'm
• 14:48
  saying,
• 14:48
  what
• 14:49
  is
• 14:49
  this
• 14:49
  awareness
• 14:50
  of
• 14:50
  things?
• 14:52
  And
• 14:52
  I
• 14:53
  caught
• 14:53
  it.
• 14:53
  The
• 14:54
  awareness
• 14:54
  is
• 14:56
  made
• 14:56
  out
• 14:56
  of
• 14:56
  the
• 14:57
  same
• 14:58
  thing.
• 14:58
  It
• 14:58
  is
• 14:59
  pure
• 14:59
  being
• 14:59
  that
• 15:00
  is
• 15:00
  aware
• 15:01
  and
• 15:02
  it
• 15:02
  is
• 15:02
  the
• 15:02
  awareness.
• 15:03
  So
• 15:03
  this
• 15:04
  is
• 15:04
  true.
• 15:04
  We
• 15:05
  all
• 15:05
  have
• 15:05
  it.
• 15:05
  We
• 15:06
  are
• 15:06
  all
• 15:06
  sort
• 15:06
  of
• 15:07
  familiar
• 15:07
  with
• 15:07
  it,
• 15:08
  but
• 15:08
  without
• 15:09
  recognizing
• 15:10
  it
• 15:11
  is
• 15:11
  an
• 15:11
  important
• 15:11
  point.
• 15:12
  Because
• 15:13
  man,
• 15:13
  some
• 15:13
  of
• 15:13
  the
• 15:13
  teaching
• 15:14
  used
• 15:14
  that,
• 15:14
  of
• 15:15
  course,
• 15:15
  how
• 15:15
  you
• 15:16
  could
• 15:16
  follow
• 15:16
  your
• 15:16
  ordinary
• 15:17
  awareness
• 15:18
  to
• 15:18
  the
• 15:19
  fullness
• 15:19
  of
• 15:19
  pure
• 15:20
  awareness.
• 15:21
  So
• 15:21
  the
• 15:22
  thing
• 15:22
  about
• 15:22
  pure
• 15:23
  being,
• 15:24
  it
• 15:24
  has
• 15:24
  awareness
• 15:25
  and
• 15:26
  knowing,
• 15:27
  it
• 15:27
  knows
• 15:28
  itself.
• 15:29
  You
• 15:29
  know,
• 15:30
  it
• 15:30
  knows
• 15:30
  it
• 15:30
  is
• 15:31
  being.
• 15:32
  It
• 15:32
  knows
• 15:32
  it
• 15:33
  is
• 15:33
  aware.
• 15:34
  You
• 15:35
  know,
• 15:35
  it's
• 15:35
  not
• 15:35
  like
• 15:36
  just
• 15:36
  there
• 15:36
  with
• 15:37
  that
• 15:38
  cognition.
• 15:38
  There's
• 15:39
  cognition.
• 15:40
  And
• 15:40
  our
• 15:40
  ordinary
• 15:40
  awareness
• 15:41
  has
• 15:41
  cognition.
• 15:43
  You
• 15:43
  see,
• 15:43
  that's
• 15:43
  why
• 15:44
  I
• 15:44
  say
• 15:44
  it
• 15:44
  is
• 15:44
  the
• 15:45
  same
• 15:45
  thing.
• 15:45
  Because
• 15:46
  our
• 15:46
  ordinary
• 15:47
  awareness,
• 15:48
  we
• 15:48
  are
• 15:48
  aware
• 15:48
  of
• 15:49
  something
• 15:49
  and
• 15:49
  we
• 15:49
  are
• 15:50
  able
• 15:50
  to
• 15:50
  know
• 15:50
  what
• 15:51
  it
• 15:51
  is.
• 15:51
  If
• 15:52
  we
• 15:52
  have
• 15:52
  been
• 15:52
  denying.
• 15:52
  Like
• 15:53
  I'm
• 15:53
  aware
• 15:54
  of
• 15:55
  my,
• 15:56
  for
• 15:56
  instance,
• 15:57
  calmness,
• 15:58
  and
• 15:58
  I
• 15:58
  know
• 15:58
  it
• 15:59
  calmness.
• 16:00
  I'm
• 16:01
  aware
• 16:01
  of
• 16:03
  the
• 16:03
  pain
• 16:03
  my
• 16:04
  knee,
• 16:04
  and
• 16:05
  I
• 16:05
  know
• 16:05
  it's
• 16:05
  a
• 16:05
  pain
• 16:06
  in
• 16:06
  the
• 16:06
  knee.
• 16:08
  So
• 16:08
  there's
• 16:08
  awareness
• 16:09
  and
• 16:09
  knowing
• 16:09
  at
• 16:10
  the
• 16:10
  same
• 16:10
  time.
• 16:11
  And
• 16:12
  that
• 16:12
  is
• 16:12
  true
• 16:12
  in
• 16:13
  pure
• 16:13
  being.
• 16:14
  There's
• 16:14
  awareness
• 16:15
  and
• 16:15
  knowing
• 16:15
  at
• 16:16
  the
• 16:16
  same
• 16:16
  time.
• 16:17
  So
• 16:18
  in
• 16:18
  nothingness,
• 16:18
  there's
• 16:19
  awareness.
• 16:21
  Yes,
• 16:22
  nothingness
• 16:24
  that
• 16:24
  is
• 16:24
  inseparable
• 16:25
  from
• 16:25
  being
• 16:26
  is
• 16:27
  awareness.
• 16:28
  It
• 16:28
  is
• 16:28
  the
• 16:29
  origin
• 16:30
  of
• 16:30
  ordinary
• 16:31
  awareness.
• 16:32
  Put
• 16:32
  it
• 16:33
  this
• 16:33
  way.
• 16:33
  Sometime
• 16:33
  I
• 16:34
  do
• 16:34
  guided
• 16:35
  meditation,
• 16:35
  which
• 16:35
  is
• 16:36
  how
• 16:36
  people
• 16:36
  say,
• 16:37
  well,
• 16:37
  pay
• 16:37
  attention
• 16:38
  to
• 16:38
  think,
• 16:38
  you
• 16:38
  know
• 16:39
  this.
• 16:40
  And
• 16:41
  then
• 16:41
  I
• 16:41
  said,
• 16:42
  well,
• 16:43
  you're
• 16:44
  aware
• 16:44
  of
• 16:44
  these
• 16:44
  things,
• 16:45
  but
• 16:45
  you're
• 16:46
  paying
• 16:46
  attention
• 16:47
  to
• 16:48
  the
• 16:48
  capacity
• 16:50
  to
• 16:50
  be
• 16:50
  aware.
• 16:51
  You're
• 16:52
  not
• 16:52
  paying
• 16:52
  attention
• 16:53
  to
• 16:53
  what
• 16:53
  it
• 16:53
  is
• 16:54
  that
• 16:54
  is
• 16:54
  aware.
• 16:55
  What
• 16:55
  make
• 16:56
  you
• 16:56
  have
• 16:56
  that
• 16:57
  capacity?
• 16:58
  What
• 16:58
  makes
• 16:58
  us
• 16:59
  have
• 16:59
  the
• 16:59
  capacity
• 17:00
  to
• 17:01
  be
• 17:01
  aware
• 17:02
  of
• 17:02
  some
• 17:02
  things?
• 17:03
  Because
• 17:03
  we
• 17:04
  usually
• 17:04
  think
• 17:05
  of
• 17:05
  our
• 17:05
  always
• 17:06
  awareness
• 17:06
  of
• 17:06
  something.
• 17:07
  When
• 17:07
  you
• 17:08
  ask
• 17:08
  anybody,
• 17:08
  they're
• 17:09
  not
• 17:09
  just
• 17:09
  aware,
• 17:10
  they're
• 17:10
  aware
• 17:11
  of
• 17:11
  something.
• 17:11
  When
• 17:12
  they
• 17:12
  say
• 17:12
  I'm
• 17:12
  aware,
• 17:13
  I'm
• 17:13
  conscious,
• 17:14
  they
• 17:14
  mean
• 17:14
  they're
• 17:14
  conscious
• 17:15
  of
• 17:15
  something.
• 17:15
  There
• 17:16
  are
• 17:16
  content
• 17:16
  to
• 17:17
  their
• 17:17
  experience.
• 17:18
  They're
• 17:18
  aware
• 17:18
  of
• 17:18
  content.
• 17:19
  The
• 17:19
  question
• 17:20
  what
• 17:21
  gives
• 17:21
  them
• 17:21
  the
• 17:22
  capacity
• 17:22
  to
• 17:22
  be
• 17:23
  aware
• 17:23
  of
• 17:23
  content?
• 17:25
  That
• 17:25
  is
• 17:25
  the
• 17:26
  part
• 17:26
  that
• 17:27
  the
• 17:28
  theories
• 17:28
  of
• 17:28
  consciousness
• 17:29
  and
• 17:29
  science
• 17:30
  don't
• 17:30
  ask.
• 17:31
  They're
• 17:32
  studying
• 17:33
  consciousness.
• 17:33
  Seriously,
• 17:34
  some
• 17:34
  of
• 17:34
  them,
• 17:35
  I
• 17:35
  mean
• 17:35
  the
• 17:36
  universities,
• 17:37
  many
• 17:38
  departments
• 17:38
  studying
• 17:39
  consciousness.
• 17:40
  But
• 17:40
  what
• 17:40
  they're
• 17:41
  studying
• 17:41
  is
• 17:41
  the
• 17:42
  capacity
• 17:42
  of
• 17:43
  Kanto,
• 17:44
  the
• 17:44
  functioning
• 17:45
  of
• 17:45
  awareness,
• 17:47
  which
• 17:47
  is
• 17:47
  perception.
• 17:49
  They're
• 17:50
  studying
• 17:50
  how
• 17:50
  perception
• 17:51
  happens
• 17:52
  and
• 17:52
  not
• 17:52
  studying
• 17:52
  what
• 17:53
  gives
• 17:53
  us
• 17:54
  the
• 17:54
  capacity
• 17:55
  to
• 17:55
  perceive.
• 17:56
  When
• 17:56
  I
• 17:57
  actually
• 17:57
  asked
• 17:57
  those
• 17:58
  cognitive
• 17:58
  scientists,
• 18:00
  they
• 18:00
  said,
• 18:00
  oh
• 18:00
  no,
• 18:01
  we
• 18:01
  don't
• 18:01
  study
• 18:02
  that,
• 18:02
  we
• 18:02
  just
• 18:03
  study.
• 18:03
  He
• 18:04
  said,
• 18:04
  that's
• 18:04
  ontology.
• 18:05
  That's
• 18:06
  not
• 18:06
  our
• 18:06
  field.
• 18:08
  They're
• 18:08
  afraid
• 18:09
  of
• 18:09
  becoming.
• 18:09
  How
• 18:09
  do
• 18:09
  you
• 18:09
  think
• 18:10
  it
• 18:10
  happened?
• 18:10
  We
• 18:10
  don't
• 18:11
  study
• 18:11
  where.
• 18:12
  What
• 18:12
  makes
• 18:13
  it
• 18:13
  happen.
• 18:14
  You're
• 18:15
  pointing
• 18:15
  to
• 18:15
  something
• 18:16
  that
• 18:16
  you
• 18:16
  emphasize
• 18:17
  in
• 18:17
  the
• 18:17
  chapter
• 18:18
  Hamid,
• 18:18
  which
• 18:19
  seems
• 18:19
  really
• 18:19
  striking,
• 18:20
  and
• 18:20
  that
• 18:21
  is
• 18:21
  that
• 18:21
  we
• 18:22
  tend
• 18:22
  to
• 18:22
  assume
• 18:22
  that
• 18:22
  awareness
• 18:23
  is
• 18:23
  simply
• 18:23
  a
• 18:24
  function
• 18:24
  or
• 18:24
  a
• 18:24
  process
• 18:25
  of
• 18:25
  knowing
• 18:26
  something.
• 18:26
  But
• 18:26
  yet
• 18:27
  you
• 18:27
  say
• 18:28
  no,
• 18:28
  it's
• 18:28
  also
• 18:29
  an
• 18:29
  ontological.
• 18:30
  You
• 18:30
  quote.
• 18:31
  It
• 18:31
  is
• 18:31
  also
• 18:31
  an
• 18:32
  ontological
• 18:33
  reality.
• 18:34
  Yeah,
• 18:34
  it
• 18:35
  is
• 18:35
  an.
• 18:35
  Isn't
• 18:35
  it?
• 18:36
  Awareness
• 18:37
  is
• 18:37
  something
• 18:37
  that
• 18:38
  we
• 18:38
  could
• 18:38
  recognize
• 18:38
  awareness
• 18:39
  for
• 18:39
  what
• 18:40
  it
• 18:40
  is.
• 18:41
  We
• 18:41
  can
• 18:41
  recognize
• 18:42
  the
• 18:43
  medium
• 18:43
  of
• 18:43
  awareness.
• 18:45
  We
• 18:45
  can
• 18:45
  recognize
• 18:46
  the
• 18:46
  medium
• 18:47
  of
• 18:47
  self
• 18:47
  knowing
• 18:48
  awareness.
• 18:49
  The
• 18:50
  medium
• 18:50
  of
• 18:50
  awareness
• 18:51
  that
• 18:52
  perceives
• 18:52
  and
• 18:53
  knows
• 18:53
  what
• 18:53
  it
• 18:53
  perceives.
• 18:54
  You
• 18:55
  see
• 18:55
  Dzogchen
• 18:56
  awareness,
• 18:57
  although
• 18:57
  they
• 18:58
  say
• 18:58
  non
• 18:58
  conceptual,
• 18:59
  it
• 19:00
  has
• 19:00
  knowing
• 19:00
  in
• 19:01
  it
• 19:02
  because
• 19:02
  it
• 19:02
  knows
• 19:03
  it
• 19:03
  is
• 19:03
  awareness.
• 19:04
  And
• 19:04
  so,
• 19:05
  and
• 19:05
  in
• 19:06
  fact
• 19:06
  Yeshay
• 19:07
  has
• 19:07
  knowing.
• 19:08
  They
• 19:08
  talk
• 19:09
  about,
• 19:09
  you
• 19:09
  know,
• 19:10
  Rigba
• 19:11
  as
• 19:11
  knowing
• 19:12
  consciousness.
• 19:13
  It's
• 19:13
  both
• 19:14
  knowing
• 19:14
  at
• 19:15
  the
• 19:15
  same
• 19:15
  time.
• 19:16
  So
• 19:16
  the
• 19:16
  Zouchen
• 19:17
  perspective
• 19:18
  of
• 19:18
  what
• 19:18
  awareness
• 19:19
  is,
• 19:20
  it
• 19:20
  includes
• 19:21
  knowing.
• 19:21
  They
• 19:22
  don't
• 19:22
  talk
• 19:22
  about
• 19:23
  that
• 19:23
  way.
• 19:23
  I
• 19:24
  talk
• 19:24
  about
• 19:24
  that,
• 19:24
  but
• 19:24
  it
• 19:25
  always
• 19:25
  includes
• 19:26
  knowing.
• 19:27
  So
• 19:27
  it
• 19:27
  is
• 19:27
  closer
• 19:28
  to
• 19:28
  our
• 19:28
  ordinary
• 19:29
  awareness,
• 19:29
  because
• 19:30
  our
• 19:30
  ordinary
• 19:30
  awareness
• 19:31
  has
• 19:31
  capacity
• 19:32
  to
• 19:32
  know.
• 19:33
  So
• 19:33
  gives
• 19:34
  us
• 19:34
  the
• 19:34
  perceptivity,
• 19:36
  but
• 19:36
  also
• 19:37
  give
• 19:37
  us
• 19:37
  the
• 19:37
  cognitive
• 19:38
  capacity.
• 19:39
  And
• 19:40
  that
• 19:40
  comes
• 19:40
  from
• 19:41
  this
• 19:41
  dimension
• 19:41
  of
• 19:42
  pure
• 19:42
  presence
• 19:43
  because
• 19:44
  it
• 19:44
  has
• 19:44
  both
• 19:45
  the
• 19:45
  perceptivity,
• 19:47
  the
• 19:47
  sensitivity
• 19:48
  and
• 19:48
  the
• 19:49
  cognitive
• 19:50
  dimension.
• 19:51
  So
• 19:52
  is
• 19:52
  this
• 19:53
  knowingness,
• 19:54
  is
• 19:55
  that
• 19:55
  conceptual?
• 19:56
  Is
• 19:56
  that
• 19:56
  a
• 19:56
  concept?
• 19:58
  That's
• 19:59
  a
• 19:59
  big
• 19:59
  question.
• 20:00
  It
• 20:01
  will
• 20:01
  take
• 20:01
  an
• 20:01
  hour
• 20:01
  to
• 20:02
  discuss.
• 20:03
  Leave
• 20:04
  that
• 20:04
  till
• 20:04
  next
• 20:05
  time
• 20:06
  in
• 20:06
  detail.
• 20:07
  But
• 20:07
  in
• 20:08
  some
• 20:08
  sense,
• 20:08
  yes,
• 20:09
  in
• 20:09
  some
• 20:09
  sense
• 20:09
  no,
• 20:10
  because
• 20:10
  the
• 20:10
  question
• 20:11
  comes
• 20:11
  not
• 20:12
  so
• 20:12
  simple.
• 20:13
  Most
• 20:13
  people
• 20:13
  say
• 20:14
  conceptual
• 20:14
  and
• 20:15
  they
• 20:15
  leave
• 20:15
  it
• 20:15
  at
• 20:15
  that.
• 20:16
  But
• 20:16
  it
• 20:16
  is
• 20:16
  really
• 20:16
  much
• 20:17
  more
• 20:17
  intricate
• 20:18
  and
• 20:18
  deep
• 20:18
  than
• 20:19
  that.
• 20:20
  So
• 20:20
  we
• 20:20
  need
• 20:20
  to
• 20:20
  get.
• 20:21
  It
• 20:21
  takes
• 20:21
  us
• 20:21
  time
• 20:22
  to
• 20:22
  decipher
• 20:23
  this.
• 20:23
  The
• 20:23
  important
• 20:24
  thing
• 20:24
  here
• 20:25
  is
• 20:25
  that
• 20:26
  there
• 20:26
  is
• 20:27
  no
• 20:27
  cognition
• 20:28
  and
• 20:29
  perception
• 20:30
  at
• 20:30
  the
• 20:30
  same
• 20:30
  time.
• 20:31
  There
• 20:31
  is
• 20:32
  awareness
• 20:32
  and
• 20:33
  knowing
• 20:33
  that
• 20:33
  are
• 20:34
  inseparable
• 20:34
  from
• 20:34
  each
• 20:35
  other.
• 20:35
  And
• 20:36
  that
• 20:36
  is
• 20:36
  a
• 20:36
  characteristic
• 20:37
  of
• 20:37
  pure
• 20:37
  presence.
• 20:38
  Pure
• 20:38
  presence,
• 20:40
  you
• 20:40
  know,
• 20:40
  presence
• 20:41
  by
• 20:41
  being.
• 20:42
  Presence,
• 20:43
  being
• 20:43
  and
• 20:43
  knowing
• 20:44
  are
• 20:44
  not
• 20:44
  two
• 20:45
  things,
• 20:46
  you
• 20:47
  see.
• 20:48
  So
• 20:48
  being
• 20:49
  being
• 20:50
  is
• 20:50
  the
• 20:50
  same
• 20:51
  thing
• 20:51
  as
• 20:51
  knowing
• 20:51
  being.
• 20:53
  So
• 20:53
  you
• 20:54
  know
• 20:54
  that
• 20:54
  is
• 20:55
  true
• 20:55
  about
• 20:55
  presence,
• 20:56
  even
• 20:56
  from
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  first
• 20:57
  turning.
• 20:57
  When
• 20:57
  we
• 20:58
  know
• 20:58
  love.
• 20:59
  How
• 20:59
  do
• 21:00
  we
• 21:00
  know
• 21:00
  love?
• 21:01
  By
• 21:01
  feeling
• 21:02
  love,
• 21:02
  by
• 21:02
  knowing,
• 21:03
  by
• 21:03
  experiencing
• 21:04
  love.
• 21:04
  The
• 21:05
  experience
• 21:05
  and
• 21:05
  the
• 21:05
  knowing
• 21:06
  are
• 21:06
  inseparable.
• 21:07
  The
• 21:07
  beingness,
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  presence
• 21:09
  of
• 21:09
  it
• 21:09
  and
• 21:10
  the
• 21:10
  knowingness
• 21:10
  of
• 21:11
  love
• 21:11
  are
• 21:12
  not
• 21:12
  two
• 21:12
  things.
• 21:14
  So
• 21:14
  love
• 21:15
  includes
• 21:15
  knowing
• 21:16
  of
• 21:16
  love.
• 21:17
  And
• 21:17
  so
• 21:17
  is
• 21:18
  compassion.
• 21:18
  So
• 21:19
  is
• 21:19
  contentment,
• 21:20
  so
• 21:20
  is
• 21:20
  peace.
• 21:21
  When
• 21:22
  you
• 21:22
  talk
• 21:22
  about
• 21:22
  peace,
• 21:22
  people
• 21:23
  say
• 21:23
  it's
• 21:23
  non
• 21:23
  conceptual.
• 21:24
  Well,
• 21:24
  yeah,
• 21:25
  in
• 21:25
  some
• 21:25
  sense.
• 21:26
  But
• 21:26
  it
• 21:26
  has
• 21:27
  knowing.
• 21:28
  Does
• 21:28
  knowing
• 21:29
  mean
• 21:29
  conceptual?
• 21:31
  Here
• 21:31
  is
• 21:32
  not
• 21:32
  what
• 21:32
  most
• 21:32
  people
• 21:33
  call
• 21:33
  conceptual.
• 21:34
  Most
• 21:34
  people
• 21:34
  call
• 21:35
  conceptual.
• 21:36
  They
• 21:36
  mean
• 21:36
  mental
• 21:36
  elaboration,
• 21:39
  you
• 21:39
  know,
• 21:39
  and
• 21:40
  we'll
• 21:40
  get
• 21:40
  into
• 21:40
  that.
• 21:41
  But
• 21:41
  the
• 21:41
  thing
• 21:41
  here
• 21:42
  is
• 21:42
  that
• 21:43
  the
• 21:43
  cognitive
• 21:44
  dimension
• 21:45
  and
• 21:45
  the
• 21:46
  being
• 21:46
  dimension
• 21:47
  are
• 21:47
  two
• 21:47
  sides
• 21:48
  of
• 21:48
  the
• 21:48
  same
• 21:48
  thing.
• 21:50
  And
• 21:50
  that
• 21:50
  becomes
• 21:51
  clear
• 21:51
  in
• 21:52
  this
• 21:52
  dimension
• 21:53
  of
• 21:53
  realization,
• 21:54
  of
• 21:54
  pure
• 21:55
  presence.
• 21:56
  So
• 21:57
  this
• 21:57
  is
• 21:57
  not
• 21:57
  anti
• 21:58
  intellectual,
• 21:58
  it's.
• 21:58
  Not
• 21:59
  anti
• 21:59
  concepts,
• 22:00
  it's
• 22:00
  not
• 22:00
  anti
• 22:01
  cognition.
• 22:02
  No,
• 22:03
  because
• 22:03
  there
• 22:03
  is
• 22:03
  cognition
• 22:04
  in
• 22:06
  knows
• 22:06
  itself.
• 22:07
  I
• 22:07
  mean,
• 22:08
  if
• 22:08
  you
• 22:08
  don't
• 22:08
  know
• 22:09
  itself,
• 22:09
  you
• 22:10
  call
• 22:10
  what
• 22:10
  Gurdjieff
• 22:11
  called
• 22:11
  a
• 22:11
  stupid
• 22:12
  saint.
• 22:13
  You
• 22:13
  are,
• 22:13
  but
• 22:13
  you
• 22:14
  don't
• 22:14
  know
• 22:14
  what
• 22:14
  you
• 22:14
  are.
• 22:16
  Here
• 22:16
  you
• 22:16
  are
• 22:16
  and
• 22:17
  you
• 22:17
  know
• 22:17
  what
• 22:17
  you
• 22:17
  are.
• 22:19
  You
• 22:20
  know
• 22:20
  it,
• 22:20
  know
• 22:20
  it
• 22:21
  fully,
• 22:21
  you
• 22:21
  know
• 22:21
  it
• 22:22
  completely.
• 22:22
  The
• 22:23
  knowing
• 22:23
  and
• 22:23
  the
• 22:24
  being
• 22:24
  are
• 22:25
  so
• 22:25
  intertwined.
• 22:26
  They
• 22:26
  are,
• 22:27
  cannot
• 22:27
  be
• 22:27
  separate.
• 22:29
  They
• 22:29
  are
• 22:30
  co
• 22:30
  emergent.
• 22:33
  I
• 22:33
  mean,
• 22:33
  we
• 22:33
  will
• 22:34
  discuss
• 22:34
  it
• 22:34
  next
• 22:34
  time
• 22:35
  about
• 22:35
  knowing.
• 22:36
  But
• 22:36
  the
• 22:37
  important
• 22:37
  thing
• 22:37
  here
• 22:37
  we're
• 22:38
  getting
• 22:38
  into
• 22:39
  is
• 22:39
  that
• 22:39
  the
• 22:39
  being
• 22:40
  of
• 22:40
  presence
• 22:41
  includes
• 22:42
  the
• 22:42
  knowing
• 22:42
  of
• 22:42
  presence.
• 22:43
  In
• 22:44
  fact,
• 22:44
  that's
• 22:44
  what's
• 22:44
  called
• 22:45
  gnosis.
• 22:45
  What
• 22:46
  is
• 22:46
  gnosis?
• 22:47
  Knowing
• 22:47
  by
• 22:48
  being.
• 22:49
  Right.
• 22:50
  That's
• 22:50
  what
• 22:50
  gnosis
• 22:51
  mean.
• 22:51
  Noises
• 22:52
  in
• 22:52
  the
• 22:52
  Greek.
• 22:53
  What
• 22:54
  do
• 22:54
  they
• 22:54
  mean
• 22:54
  by.
• 22:54
  Why
• 22:55
  did
• 22:55
  they
• 22:55
  say
• 22:55
  gnosis
• 22:56
  instead
• 22:56
  of
• 22:56
  knowing?
• 22:58
  Because
• 22:58
  it
• 22:58
  is
• 22:58
  known
• 22:59
  by
• 22:59
  being,
• 23:00
  not
• 23:00
  known
• 23:01
  by
• 23:01
  observing.
• 23:02
  Yeah.
• 23:03
  And
• 23:03
  in
• 23:04
  contemporary
• 23:04
  philosophy
• 23:05
  or
• 23:05
  even
• 23:05
  psychology,
• 23:06
  it
• 23:06
  would
• 23:06
  be
• 23:06
  described
• 23:07
  as
• 23:07
  the
• 23:07
  distinction
• 23:07
  between
• 23:08
  knowing
• 23:09
  by
• 23:09
  description
• 23:10
  and
• 23:10
  knowing
• 23:10
  by
• 23:11
  acquaintance.
• 23:12
  Yeah,
• 23:14
  it
• 23:14
  will
• 23:15
  be
• 23:15
  like
• 23:15
  by
• 23:15
  acquaintance,
• 23:16
  but
• 23:16
  it
• 23:16
  is
• 23:16
  the
• 23:17
  intimate
• 23:17
  acquaintance,
• 23:18
  not
• 23:18
  just
• 23:19
  acquaintance.
• 23:19
  It's
• 23:20
  complete
• 23:20
  unity
• 23:21
  with
• 23:21
  it.
• 23:22
  Ah,
• 23:22
  yes.
• 23:22
  Okay.
• 23:23
  You
• 23:24
  know
• 23:24
  more.
• 23:24
  That
• 23:25
  is
• 23:25
  the
• 23:25
  absolute
• 23:26
  limit
• 23:26
  of
• 23:26
  acquaintance.
• 23:28
  Yeah,
• 23:28
  yeah.
• 23:29
  No
• 23:30
  one
• 23:30
  to
• 23:30
  be
• 23:30
  acquainted.
• 23:31
  Yeah,
• 23:31
  yeah.
• 23:32
  Because
• 23:32
  acquainted
• 23:32
  means
• 23:33
  there's
• 23:33
  somebody
• 23:33
  acquainted
• 23:34
  with
• 23:34
  something.
• 23:34
  While
• 23:34
  here.
• 23:35
  No,
• 23:35
  they're
• 23:35
  not
• 23:35
  two
• 23:36
  it
• 23:36
  is
• 23:37
  just
• 23:37
  the
• 23:37
  being
• 23:37
  itself
• 23:38
  knowing
• 23:38
  itself
• 23:39
  by
• 23:39
  being
• 23:39
  itself.
• 23:40
  Being
• 23:40
  itself
• 23:41
  and
• 23:41
  knowing
• 23:42
  itself
• 23:42
  is
• 23:42
  the
• 23:42
  same
• 23:43
  thing.
• 23:44
  And
• 23:45
  amid.
• 23:45
  You
• 23:45
  point
• 23:45
  to
• 23:46
  some
• 23:46
  of
• 23:46
  the
• 23:46
  implications
• 23:47
  of
• 23:47
  this
• 23:47
  recognition
• 23:48
  and
• 23:48
  the
• 23:48
  recognition
• 23:49
  that
• 23:49
  the
• 23:49
  magnificence
• 23:50
  of
• 23:51
  presence
• 23:52
  in
• 23:52
  all
• 23:52
  its
• 23:52
  fullness
• 23:53
  and
• 23:53
  nothingness
• 23:55
  is
• 23:55
  our
• 23:55
  own
• 23:55
  awareness.
• 23:56
  You
• 23:56
  say,
• 23:57
  and
• 23:57
  I
• 23:57
  quote,
• 23:57
  that
• 23:57
  this
• 23:58
  recognition
• 23:58
  is
• 23:59
  an
• 23:59
  explosive
• 24:00
  insight
• 24:00
  and
• 24:01
  a
• 24:01
  momentous
• 24:02
  awakening.
• 24:03
  Yeah.
• 24:04
  That
• 24:04
  is
• 24:05
  what
• 24:05
  most
• 24:05
  people
• 24:05
  call
• 24:06
  awakening.
• 24:07
  Awakening
• 24:08
  is
• 24:08
  a
• 24:08
  recognition
• 24:09
  of
• 24:10
  what
• 24:10
  our
• 24:11
  being
• 24:11
  is
• 24:11
  or
• 24:12
  what
• 24:12
  our
• 24:12
  awareness
• 24:13
  is.
• 24:14
  Knowing
• 24:15
  awareness
• 24:16
  is
• 24:16
  being.
• 24:17
  And
• 24:17
  being
• 24:17
  is
• 24:18
  awareness.
• 24:18
  And
• 24:19
  knowing
• 24:19
  it
• 24:19
  for
• 24:19
  what
• 24:20
  it
• 24:20
  is.
• 24:21
  Knowing
• 24:21
  that
• 24:21
  the
• 24:21
  fullness
• 24:22
  and
• 24:22
  the
• 24:23
  emptiness,
• 24:23
  the
• 24:24
  two
• 24:24
  sides
• 24:24
  of
• 24:24
  the
• 24:25
  same
• 24:25
  thing.
• 24:25
  It's
• 24:25
  paradoxical.
• 24:26
  When
• 24:27
  you
• 24:27
  bring
• 24:27
  nothingness
• 24:28
  and
• 24:28
  fullness
• 24:29
  together,
• 24:30
  it's
• 24:31
  paradoxical,
• 24:32
  but
• 24:33
  many
• 24:33
  philosophers
• 24:34
  have
• 24:34
  dealt
• 24:34
  with
• 24:34
  this
• 24:34
  paradox
• 24:36
  and
• 24:36
  being
• 24:36
  a
• 24:37
  nothing,
• 24:37
  you
• 24:37
  know.
• 24:38
  But
• 24:38
  here,
• 24:38
  being
• 24:38
  and
• 24:39
  nothing
• 24:39
  are
• 24:39
  not
• 24:40
  two
• 24:41
  sides
• 24:41
  or
• 24:41
  not
• 24:42
  two
• 24:42
  things.
• 24:43
  They
• 24:43
  are
• 24:44
  implicit
• 24:44
  in
• 24:45
  each
• 24:45
  other.
• 24:45
  And
• 24:46
  it
• 24:46
  is
• 24:46
  sort
• 24:46
  of
• 24:46
  a
• 24:46
  mystery,
• 24:47
  actually,
• 24:48
  when
• 24:48
  you
• 24:48
  think
• 24:48
  about
• 24:49
  it.
• 24:49
  It's
• 24:49
  not
• 24:50
  logical.
• 24:50
  The
• 24:51
  mind
• 24:51
  can't
• 24:51
  make.
• 24:52
  How
• 24:52
  can
• 24:52
  that
• 24:52
  be?
• 24:53
  Nothing
• 24:53
  is
• 24:53
  nothing
• 24:54
  in
• 24:54
  fullness
• 24:55
  and
• 24:55
  fullness.
• 24:55
  How
• 24:56
  can
• 24:56
  fullness
• 24:56
  and
• 24:56
  be
• 24:57
  nothing?
• 24:57
  But
• 24:58
  experientially,
• 25:02
  it
• 25:02
  is
• 25:02
  the
• 25:02
  case
• 25:03
  that
• 25:03
  you
• 25:03
  find
• 25:04
  that
• 25:05
  what
• 25:05
  you
• 25:05
  know
• 25:05
  directly
• 25:06
  is
• 25:06
  through
• 25:07
  noises,
• 25:09
  direct
• 25:09
  knowing,
• 25:10
  what
• 25:10
  I
• 25:11
  call
• 25:11
  immediate
• 25:11
  knowing.
• 25:12
  Knowing
• 25:12
  through
• 25:13
  immediacy.
• 25:14
  That's
• 25:14
  in
• 25:14
  other
• 25:15
  terms,
• 25:15
  instead
• 25:16
  of
• 25:16
  acquaintance,
• 25:16
  I
• 25:17
  call
• 25:17
  it
• 25:17
  immediacy.
• 25:19
  Knowing
• 25:19
  through
• 25:20
  immediacy,
• 25:21
  the
• 25:22
  immediacy
• 25:22
  of
• 25:22
  knowing.
• 25:23
  Not
• 25:23
  by,
• 25:25
  you
• 25:25
  know,
• 25:25
  observing
• 25:26
  at
• 25:26
  a
• 25:26
  distance.
• 25:27
  Immediacy
• 25:28
  by
• 25:28
  being
• 25:28
  in
• 25:29
  the
• 25:29
  middle
• 25:29
  of
• 25:30
  the
• 25:30
  experience,
• 25:31
  by
• 25:31
  being
• 25:31
  the
• 25:31
  experience,
• 25:33
  being
• 25:33
  the
• 25:33
  consciousness
• 25:34
  and
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  quality
• 25:35
  of
• 25:35
  the
• 25:35
  experience.
• 25:36
  So
• 25:37
  being
• 25:37
  and
• 25:37
  knowing,
• 25:38
  that's
• 25:39
  an
• 25:39
  important
• 25:39
  thing
• 25:39
  that
• 25:40
  we
• 25:40
  could
• 25:40
  come
• 25:40
  out
• 25:40
  of
• 25:41
  this.
• 25:41
  Being
• 25:41
  and
• 25:42
  knowing
• 25:42
  are
• 25:42
  the
• 25:43
  same
• 25:43
  thing
• 25:43
  here.
• 25:44
  Being
• 25:45
  knows
• 25:45
  itself
• 25:47
  because
• 25:48
  being
• 25:49
  has
• 25:49
  a
• 25:49
  cognitive
• 25:50
  quality
• 25:51
  to
• 25:51
  us.
• 25:53
  So
• 25:53
  what
• 25:53
  shows
• 25:53
  that
• 25:54
  knowing
• 25:55
  and
• 25:55
  mind
• 25:56
  are
• 25:56
  fundamental
• 25:57
  and
• 25:58
  not
• 25:58
  just
• 25:58
  intellectual?
• 25:59
  This
• 25:59
  is
• 25:59
  not
• 25:59
  intellectual
• 26:00
  knowing.
• 26:01
  It's
• 26:02
  called
• 26:02
  noises.
• 26:02
  But
• 26:03
  still,
• 26:03
  I
• 26:03
  mean,
• 26:03
  noises
• 26:04
  is
• 26:04
  knowing,
• 26:05
  but
• 26:05
  there's
• 26:06
  not
• 26:06
  the
• 26:06
  knowing
• 26:06
  that
• 26:07
  psychologists
• 26:07
  or
• 26:08
  philosophers
• 26:08
  or
• 26:08
  scientists
• 26:09
  know.
• 26:10
  It's
• 26:10
  not
• 26:10
  knowing
• 26:11
  a
• 26:11
  fact.
• 26:12
  It's
• 26:12
  knowing
• 26:12
  of
• 26:12
  oneself,
• 26:14
  not
• 26:14
  a
• 26:14
  concept.
• 26:15
  It's
• 26:15
  an
• 26:15
  experience.
• 26:16
  You
• 26:16
  said
• 26:16
  before,
• 26:17
  it
• 26:17
  is
• 26:17
  experience,
• 26:18
  but
• 26:18
  it
• 26:18
  is
• 26:18
  an
• 26:19
  experience
• 26:19
  that
• 26:20
  has
• 26:20
  discrimination.
• 26:22
  It
• 26:22
  has
• 26:22
  knowingness.
• 26:23
  And
• 26:23
  it's
• 26:24
  a
• 26:24
  very
• 26:24
  clear,
• 26:25
  precise
• 26:26
  knowing
• 26:28
  without
• 26:28
  knowing
• 26:29
  being
• 26:29
  intellectual,
• 26:30
  not
• 26:30
  in
• 26:31
  the
• 26:31
  mind.
• 26:31
  The
• 26:32
  being
• 26:32
  doesn't
• 26:32
  emerge
• 26:33
  from
• 26:33
  the
• 26:33
  mind
• 26:34
  emerges
• 26:34
  from
• 26:35
  the
• 26:35
  being
• 26:35
  itself.
• 26:37
  And
• 26:37
  the
• 26:37
  mind
• 26:37
  emerges
• 26:38
  from
• 26:38
  being.
• 26:39
  It
• 26:39
  is
• 26:39
  a
• 26:39
  different
• 26:40
  kind
• 26:40
  of
• 26:40
  knowing.
• 26:41
  Most
• 26:41
  people
• 26:41
  don't
• 26:42
  know
• 26:42
  this
• 26:42
  God
• 26:42
  being
• 26:43
  even
• 26:43
  if
• 26:44
  they
• 26:44
  have
• 26:44
  it.
• 26:44
  Sometimes
• 26:45
  they
• 26:45
  don't
• 26:45
  know
• 26:46
  they're
• 26:46
  having
• 26:46
  it.
• 26:47
  I
• 26:47
  think
• 26:47
  human
• 26:47
  beings
• 26:48
  tend
• 26:48
  to
• 26:48
  have
• 26:48
  that
• 26:49
  knowing
• 26:49
  because
• 26:50
  it
• 26:50
  is
• 26:50
  natural
• 26:50
  to
• 26:51
  us.
• 26:51
  For
• 26:51
  most
• 26:52
  people
• 26:52
  are
• 26:53
  so
• 26:53
  dominated
• 26:53
  by
• 26:54
  their
• 26:54
  thinking
• 26:54
  mind,
• 26:55
  they
• 26:55
  don't
• 26:56
  recognize
• 26:56
  that
• 26:56
  there
• 26:57
  is
• 26:57
  a
• 26:57
  knowing
• 26:57
  that
• 26:58
  is
• 26:58
  implicit,
• 26:59
  you
• 27:00
  know,
• 27:00
  that
• 27:00
  is
• 27:00
  natural,
• 27:02
  essential.
• 27:03
  It
• 27:03
  is
• 27:03
  awakening.
• 27:04
  When
• 27:04
  you
• 27:04
  know
• 27:04
  this
• 27:04
  knowing,
• 27:05
  you're
• 27:05
  awakened,
• 27:07
  you're
• 27:07
  realized,
• 27:08
  you're
• 27:08
  enlightened.
• 27:10
  And
• 27:10
  you
• 27:10
  point
• 27:11
  out,
• 27:11
  Hamid,
• 27:12
  that
• 27:12
  when
• 27:12
  there
• 27:13
  is
• 27:13
  this
• 27:13
  recognition
• 27:14
  of
• 27:14
  our
• 27:14
  ordinary
• 27:15
  awareness
• 27:15
  as
• 27:16
  being
• 27:17
  what
• 27:18
  it
• 27:18
  really
• 27:18
  is,
• 27:19
  then
• 27:19
  there's
• 27:19
  a
• 27:19
  profound
• 27:20
  kind
• 27:20
  of
• 27:21
  energizing
• 27:22
  or
• 27:22
  alertness
• 27:22
  or
• 27:23
  it
• 27:23
  becomes
• 27:23
  awakened
• 27:24
  awareness.
• 27:24
  It
• 27:24
  Becomes
• 27:25
  alive,
• 27:26
  lucid,
• 27:27
  cleared,
• 27:28
  just
• 27:28
  takes
• 27:28
  on
• 27:28
  a
• 27:29
  much
• 27:29
  more
• 27:30
  awake,
• 27:30
  alive
• 27:31
  quality
• 27:32
  to
• 27:32
  it.
• 27:32
  Yeah.
• 27:33
  We
• 27:33
  realize
• 27:33
  that
• 27:34
  our
• 27:34
  awareness
• 27:34
  is
• 27:35
  everywhere,
• 27:35
  too.
• 27:38
  Awareness
• 27:38
  that
• 27:39
  seemed
• 27:39
  to
• 27:39
  fill
• 27:39
  our
• 27:40
  body,
• 27:40
  our
• 27:40
  mind,
• 27:41
  when
• 27:41
  we
• 27:41
  recognize
• 27:42
  what
• 27:42
  it
• 27:42
  is,
• 27:43
  where
• 27:43
  this
• 27:43
  cognitive
• 27:44
  or
• 27:45
  perceptual
• 27:46
  capacity
• 27:47
  come
• 27:47
  from
• 27:47
  when
• 27:48
  we
• 27:48
  wake
• 27:48
  up
• 27:48
  to
• 27:48
  that.
• 27:49
  What
• 27:49
  you
• 27:49
  mean
• 27:49
  we
• 27:49
  recognize
• 27:50
  when
• 27:51
  the
• 27:51
  awareness
• 27:51
  looks
• 27:52
  at
• 27:52
  itself
• 27:52
  as.
• 27:52
  Oh,
• 27:53
  that's
• 27:53
  what
• 27:53
  I
• 27:53
  am.
• 27:54
  Transparent
• 27:55
  clarity.
• 27:55
  The
• 27:56
  moment
• 27:56
  you
• 27:56
  see
• 27:56
  that,
• 27:57
  you
• 27:57
  see
• 27:57
  it
• 27:57
  is
• 27:58
  really
• 27:58
  the
• 27:58
  nature
• 27:59
  of
• 27:59
  everything
• 28:00
  that
• 28:01
  becomes
• 28:01
  awakening.
• 28:01
  So
• 28:02
  awakening
• 28:02
  is
• 28:02
  always
• 28:03
  like
• 28:03
  that.
• 28:04
  You
• 28:04
  awaken
• 28:05
  to
• 28:05
  the
• 28:05
  nature
• 28:05
  of
• 28:05
  reality,
• 28:06
  not
• 28:06
  just
• 28:07
  to
• 28:07
  your
• 28:07
  nature.
• 28:08
  And
• 28:08
  you
• 28:09
  also
• 28:09
  emphasize,
• 28:09
  Hamid,
• 28:10
  that
• 28:11
  along
• 28:11
  with
• 28:11
  this
• 28:11
  comes
• 28:12
  the
• 28:12
  recognition
• 28:12
  that,
• 28:13
  oh,
• 28:14
  I've
• 28:14
  always.
• 28:15
  Awareness
• 28:16
  has
• 28:16
  always
• 28:17
  been
• 28:17
  present.
• 28:17
  I
• 28:18
  actually
• 28:18
  was
• 28:18
  not
• 28:19
  awakening,
• 28:20
  was
• 28:20
  not
• 28:20
  lost.
• 28:21
  It
• 28:21
  simply
• 28:21
  wasn't
• 28:22
  recognized.
• 28:24
  Yeah,
• 28:24
  it's
• 28:24
  more
• 28:25
  like
• 28:25
  awareness
• 28:26
  was
• 28:26
  always
• 28:26
  there,
• 28:27
  but
• 28:27
  I
• 28:27
  haven't
• 28:28
  awakened
• 28:28
  to
• 28:28
  what
• 28:28
  it
• 28:29
  is.
• 28:30
  Yeah.
• 28:31
  I
• 28:32
  haven't
• 28:32
  seen
• 28:32
  what
• 28:33
  it
• 28:33
  is.
• 28:34
  You
• 28:34
  know,
• 28:34
  like,
• 28:35
  awareness
• 28:35
  is
• 28:35
  there,
• 28:36
  but
• 28:36
  it's
• 28:37
  covered
• 28:37
  over
• 28:38
  by
• 28:38
  what
• 28:39
  we
• 28:39
  call
• 28:39
  sleep.
• 28:42
  And
• 28:42
  here
• 28:42
  you're
• 28:42
  drawing
• 28:43
  very
• 28:44
  close
• 28:44
  analogies
• 28:45
  to
• 28:46
  what
• 28:46
  you
• 28:46
  mentioned
• 28:46
  before.
• 28:47
  And
• 28:47
  maybe
• 28:47
  we
• 28:47
  should
• 28:47
  clarify
• 28:48
  the
• 28:48
  terms
• 28:48
  for
• 28:49
  people
• 28:49
  you.
• 28:50
  This
• 28:50
  is
• 28:50
  perhaps
• 28:50
  you're
• 28:51
  describing
• 28:51
  now
• 28:51
  the
• 28:51
  heart
• 28:52
  of
• 28:52
  the
• 28:52
  recognition
• 28:53
  or
• 28:53
  awakening
• 28:54
  of
• 28:54
  Dzogchen,
• 28:55
  which
• 28:55
  is
• 28:56
  often
• 28:56
  described
• 28:56
  as
• 28:57
  the
• 28:57
  highest
• 28:57
  form
• 28:57
  of
• 28:57
  Tibetan
• 28:58
  Buddhism.
• 28:59
  And
• 29:00
  you
• 29:00
  use
• 29:00
  the
• 29:00
  term
• 29:01
  before
• 29:01
  rigpa,
• 29:02
  which
• 29:02
  is
• 29:02
  the
• 29:03
  term
• 29:03
  given
• 29:04
  to
• 29:04
  the
• 29:04
  pure
• 29:04
  awareness,
• 29:05
  the
• 29:05
  recognition
• 29:06
  of
• 29:06
  the
• 29:06
  awakened
• 29:07
  awareness.
• 29:09
  Yeah,
• 29:10
  yeah.
• 29:10
  I
• 29:10
  mean,
• 29:11
  the
• 29:11
  rigpa
• 29:12
  they
• 29:13
  talk
• 29:13
  about
• 29:14
  as
• 29:14
  the
• 29:15
  true
• 29:15
  nature,
• 29:16
  you
• 29:16
  know,
• 29:16
  of
• 29:17
  awareness,
• 29:19
  but
• 29:19
  it's
• 29:19
  implicit
• 29:20
  in
• 29:20
  it.
• 29:20
  It
• 29:21
  knows
• 29:21
  itself.
• 29:22
  It
• 29:23
  might
• 29:23
  not
• 29:23
  emphasize
• 29:24
  that
• 29:24
  part,
• 29:25
  but
• 29:25
  it's
• 29:26
  implicit
• 29:26
  in
• 29:26
  the
• 29:26
  way
• 29:27
  they
• 29:27
  talk.
• 29:28
  Because
• 29:29
  they
• 29:29
  don't
• 29:29
  say
• 29:29
  you're
• 29:30
  just
• 29:30
  aware
• 29:30
  of
• 29:30
  it.
• 29:31
  You
• 29:31
  know
• 29:31
  it
• 29:31
  for
• 29:31
  what
• 29:32
  it
• 29:32
  is.
• 29:33
  And,
• 29:33
  Hamid,
• 29:34
  I
• 29:34
  have
• 29:34
  one
• 29:34
  more
• 29:34
  question.
• 29:34
  I'll
• 29:35
  stop
• 29:36
  asking
• 29:36
  all
• 29:36
  my
• 29:36
  questions.
• 29:37
  You
• 29:37
  said
• 29:38
  that
• 29:38
  this
• 29:38
  realization,
• 29:39
  this
• 29:39
  awakening,
• 29:40
  cannot
• 29:40
  be
• 29:40
  earned.
• 29:43
  Yeah.
• 29:44
  That's.
• 29:45
  Wow.
• 29:45
  And
• 29:46
  that
• 29:46
  sometimes
• 29:46
  practice
• 29:47
  just
• 29:48
  reinforce
• 29:48
  or
• 29:48
  reifies
• 29:49
  the
• 29:49
  sense
• 29:49
  of
• 29:50
  separate
• 29:50
  self.
• 29:51
  Exactly.
• 29:52
  Well,
• 29:52
  you
• 29:52
  can't
• 29:53
  be
• 29:53
  earned
• 29:53
  because
• 29:53
  you're
• 29:53
  already
• 29:54
  that.
• 29:55
  There's
• 29:56
  that.
• 29:57
  And
• 29:57
  already
• 29:57
  that
• 29:58
  you
• 29:58
  just
• 29:58
  awaken
• 29:59
  to
• 29:59
  it.
• 30:00
  That's
• 30:00
  the
• 30:00
  idea
• 30:01
  that
• 30:01
  you're
• 30:02
  already.
• 30:02
  That
• 30:03
  you
• 30:03
  don't
• 30:03
  earn
• 30:03
  it.
• 30:03
  It
• 30:04
  is
• 30:04
  you.
• 30:05
  It
• 30:05
  is
• 30:05
  what
• 30:06
  you
• 30:06
  are.
• 30:06
  It's
• 30:06
  your
• 30:07
  being,
• 30:07
  your
• 30:08
  true
• 30:08
  being,
• 30:08
  your
• 30:09
  true
• 30:09
  awareness.
• 30:11
  And
• 30:11
  you
• 30:11
  just
• 30:11
  wake
• 30:12
  up
• 30:12
  to
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  fact,
• 30:12
  oh,
• 30:14
  I
• 30:14
  am
• 30:14
  this.
• 30:15
  I'm
• 30:15
  not
• 30:15
  just
• 30:15
  the
• 30:16
  body.
• 30:16
  I
• 30:16
  am
• 30:16
  something
• 30:17
  that
• 30:17
  makes
• 30:17
  the
• 30:17
  body
• 30:18
  aware.
• 30:19
  And
• 30:20
  one
• 30:20
  of
• 30:20
  your
• 30:20
  current
• 30:20
  emphases,
• 30:21
  Amit,
• 30:22
  is
• 30:22
  that
• 30:22
  awakening
• 30:22
  is
• 30:23
  a
• 30:23
  recognition.
• 30:24
  Yeah,
• 30:25
  yeah.
• 30:26
  Awakening
• 30:26
  is
• 30:27
  a
• 30:27
  recognition.
• 30:27
  Yeah.
• 30:28
  Or
• 30:29
  remembering,
• 30:29
  possibly.
• 30:30
  Yeah.
• 30:31
  Sometime
• 30:31
  called
• 30:31
  remembering.
• 30:32
  Yeah.
• 30:33
  Remembering
• 30:34
  meaning.
• 30:35
  Because
• 30:35
  usually
• 30:36
  we
• 30:37
  say
• 30:37
  we
• 30:37
  forget
• 30:38
  basically
• 30:38
  mean
• 30:38
  we
• 30:39
  not
• 30:39
  recognizing
• 30:41
  the
• 30:41
  nature
• 30:41
  of
• 30:42
  our
• 30:42
  awareness.
• 30:44
  And
• 30:44
  so
• 30:45
  remembering
• 30:45
  is
• 30:46
  basically
• 30:46
  like
• 30:47
  looking
• 30:47
  at
• 30:48
  the
• 30:48
  capacity
• 30:49
  and
• 30:49
  seeing
• 30:49
  where
• 30:49
  it
• 30:49
  comes
• 30:50
  from.
• 30:52
  It's
• 30:52
  not
• 30:52
  easy
• 30:52
  for
• 30:53
  most
• 30:53
  people.
• 30:53
  They
• 30:53
  can't
• 30:54
  just
• 30:54
  look
• 30:54
  back.
• 30:55
  You
• 30:56
  know,
• 30:56
  some
• 30:56
  teachers
• 30:56
  talk,
• 30:57
  okay,
• 30:57
  just
• 30:57
  look
• 30:57
  back
• 30:58
  and
• 30:58
  you'll
• 30:58
  see
• 30:59
  it's
• 31:00
  not
• 31:00
  that
• 31:00
  easy.
• 31:01
  You
• 31:02
  probably
• 31:02
  know
• 31:02
  that.
• 31:03
  You
• 31:03
  can't
• 31:03
  just
• 31:04
  know
• 31:05
  that.
• 31:05
  Well,
• 31:06
  people
• 31:06
  prices
• 31:07
  for
• 31:07
  years
• 31:07
  before
• 31:08
  they
• 31:08
  could
• 31:08
  do
• 31:08
  that.
• 31:09
  And
• 31:09
  it's
• 31:09
  true,
• 31:10
  it
• 31:10
  is.
• 31:11
  You
• 31:12
  just
• 31:12
  look
• 31:12
  back
• 31:12
  and
• 31:12
  know
• 31:12
  what
• 31:13
  it
• 31:13
  is.
• 31:13
  But
• 31:13
  there's
• 31:14
  so
• 31:14
  many
• 31:14
  things
• 31:14
  in
• 31:15
  the
• 31:15
  way,
• 31:16
  you
• 31:16
  see,
• 31:16
  that
• 31:17
  brings
• 31:17
  us
• 31:17
  to
• 31:18
  the
• 31:18
  obstacles
• 31:18
  against
• 31:19
  this
• 31:19
  realization.
• 31:20
  There
• 31:20
  are
• 31:20
  many
• 31:20
  obstacles
• 31:22
  and
• 31:22
  many
• 31:22
  layers
• 31:23
  in
• 31:23
  the
• 31:23
  mind
• 31:24
  that
• 31:24
  make
• 31:25
  us
• 31:25
  not
• 31:25
  see
• 31:26
  the
• 31:26
  purity
• 31:27
  of
• 31:27
  our
• 31:28
  perceptual
• 31:30
  ground.
• 31:31
  There
• 31:31
  also
• 31:32
  seems
• 31:32
  to
• 31:32
  be
• 31:32
  a.
• 31:33
  It's
• 31:33
  kind
• 31:33
  of
• 31:33
  recurrent.
• 31:34
  Once
• 31:34
  you
• 31:34
  say
• 31:34
  there's
• 31:34
  a
• 31:34
  guidance,
• 31:35
  you
• 31:36
  felt
• 31:36
  like
• 31:36
  you
• 31:36
  were
• 31:36
  being
• 31:37
  guided
• 31:37
  on
• 31:37
  this
• 31:38
  whole
• 31:38
  experience
• 31:39
  of
• 31:39
  awakening
• 31:40
  in
• 31:40
  all
• 31:40
  these
• 31:40
  dimensions.
• 31:41
  So
• 31:41
  there's
• 31:42
  some
• 31:42
  kind
• 31:42
  of
• 31:43
  unearned,
• 31:44
  to
• 31:44
  use
• 31:44
  a
• 31:44
  Christian
• 31:45
  term,
• 31:45
  grace
• 31:46
  that
• 31:47
  facilitates
• 31:48
  us
• 31:49
  being
• 31:49
  able
• 31:49
  to
• 31:49
  remember
• 31:50
  who
• 31:50
  and
• 31:50
  what
• 31:51
  we
• 31:51
  are.
• 31:52
  Yes,
• 31:53
  in
• 31:53
  my
• 31:53
  experience,
• 31:54
  there
• 31:54
  was
• 31:54
  guidance
• 31:55
  for
• 31:55
  me.
• 31:56
  Doesn't
• 31:57
  mean
• 31:57
  everybody
• 31:57
  will
• 31:58
  experience
• 31:58
  guidance.
• 31:59
  You
• 31:59
  know,
• 32:00
  in
• 32:00
  my
• 32:00
  experience,
• 32:00
  I
• 32:01
  happen
• 32:01
  to
• 32:01
  have
• 32:02
  guidance.
• 32:02
  And
• 32:03
  all
• 32:03
  throughout,
• 32:04
  not
• 32:04
  just
• 32:04
  for
• 32:04
  this,
• 32:05
  throughout
• 32:06
  the
• 32:06
  whole
• 32:06
  journey.
• 32:07
  It's
• 32:07
  guided
• 32:08
  in
• 32:08
  the
• 32:08
  sense
• 32:09
  it
• 32:09
  does
• 32:09
  it
• 32:10
  itself.
• 32:12
  My
• 32:12
  practice
• 32:13
  is
• 32:14
  clearing
• 32:14
  the
• 32:15
  way
• 32:15
  for
• 32:15
  it
• 32:15
  to
• 32:16
  emerge.
• 32:17
  I
• 32:17
  think
• 32:17
  practice
• 32:18
  doesn't
• 32:18
  make
• 32:18
  it
• 32:18
  happen.
• 32:20
  But
• 32:20
  we
• 32:20
  can
• 32:20
  work
• 32:21
  on
• 32:21
  ourselves,
• 32:21
  but
• 32:21
  we
• 32:22
  can't
• 32:22
  make
• 32:22
  it
• 32:22
  happen.
• 32:22
  Yeah,
• 32:23
  yeah.
• 32:23
  And
• 32:23
  the
• 32:23
  practice
• 32:24
  of
• 32:24
  basically
• 32:24
  clearing
• 32:25
  the
• 32:25
  way,
• 32:25
  whether
• 32:26
  it
• 32:26
  emerges
• 32:27
  or
• 32:27
  not
• 32:27
  is
• 32:28
  not
• 32:28
  up
• 32:28
  to
• 32:28
  you.
• 32:30
  Thank
• 32:30
  God.
• 32:32
  Nice
• 32:32
  saying
• 32:33
  in
• 32:33
  Zen
• 32:33
  that
• 32:33
  enlightenment
• 32:34
  is
• 32:34
  an
• 32:34
  accident,
• 32:35
  but
• 32:35
  meditation
• 32:36
  makes
• 32:36
  you
• 32:36
  accident
• 32:37
  prone.
• 32:37
  Yeah,
• 32:38
  that's
• 32:38
  a
• 32:39
  good
• 32:39
  way
• 32:39
  of
• 32:39
  saying
• 32:39
  it.
• 32:40
  Yeah.
• 32:41
  Amit,
• 32:41
  let
• 32:41
  me
• 32:42
  ask
• 32:42
  a
• 32:42
  question
• 32:42
  here.
• 32:43
  We're
• 32:43
  a
• 32:43
  bit
• 32:44
  past
• 32:44
  the
• 32:44
  hour
• 32:45
  as
• 32:45
  you.
• 32:45
  You
• 32:46
  raised
• 32:46
  the
• 32:46
  question
• 32:46
  of
• 32:47
  whether
• 32:47
  we
• 32:47
  should
• 32:47
  try
• 32:48
  to
• 32:48
  get
• 32:48
  through
• 32:48
  all
• 32:48
  the
• 32:49
  chapter.
• 32:49
  There
• 32:49
  are
• 32:49
  a
• 32:49
  couple
• 32:49
  of
• 32:50
  significant
• 32:50
  things
• 32:51
  still
• 32:51
  left
• 32:51
  in
• 32:51
  the
• 32:51
  chapter,
• 32:52
  like
• 32:53
  reification
• 32:54
  and
• 32:54
  working
• 32:54
  through
• 32:55
  reifications
• 32:55
  for
• 32:56
  inquiry.
• 32:56
  I'm
• 32:57
  wondering
• 32:57
  if
• 32:57
  we
• 32:57
  should
• 32:57
  leave
• 32:58
  that
• 32:58
  for
• 32:58
  another.
• 32:59
  Yeah.
• 32:59
  And
• 32:59
  that.
• 33:00
  That
• 33:00
  will.
• 33:00
  I
• 33:01
  think
• 33:01
  we'll
• 33:01
  leave
• 33:01
  for
• 33:01
  next
• 33:02
  time
• 33:02
  because
• 33:02
  we
• 33:02
  need
• 33:02
  to
• 33:03
  know
• 33:03
  about
• 33:03
  knowing
• 33:03
  what
• 33:04
  knowing
• 33:04
  means
• 33:05
  and
• 33:05
  different
• 33:05
  levels
• 33:06
  of
• 33:06
  knowing
• 33:07
  of
• 33:07
  that
• 33:08
  to
• 33:08
  know
• 33:08
  about
• 33:08
  revocation.
• 33:10
  Well,
• 33:11
  another
• 33:11
  incredible
• 33:12
  dialogue,
• 33:13
  Hamid.
• 33:13
  So
• 33:14
  we're
• 33:14
  having
• 33:14
  fun
• 33:14
  with
• 33:15
  this
• 33:15
  and
• 33:15
  that's
• 33:16
  the
• 33:16
  point.
• 33:16
  We
• 33:16
  need
• 33:16
  to
• 33:17
  continue
• 33:17
  having
• 33:17
  fun.
• 33:18
  I
• 33:18
  like
• 33:18
  it
• 33:19
  that
• 33:19
  you're
• 33:19
  engaged
• 33:20
  because
• 33:21
  that
• 33:21
  makes
• 33:21
  me
• 33:21
  get
• 33:22
  engaged.
• 33:22
  You
• 33:23
  know,
• 33:23
  if
• 33:23
  you
• 33:23
  are
• 33:24
  engaged,
• 33:24
  I
• 33:24
  won't
• 33:25
  be
• 33:25
  interested.
• 33:26
  Oh,
• 33:26
  no,
• 33:26
  we
• 33:27
  are
• 33:27
  super
• 33:27
  engaged.
• 33:29
  We
• 33:29
  text
• 33:30
  each
• 33:30
  other.
• 33:30
  That
• 33:31
  brings
• 33:31
  a
• 33:31
  doubt
• 33:31
  in
• 33:32
  Me,
• 33:32
  you
• 33:32
  see
• 33:32
  my
• 33:32
  being
• 33:33
  respond
• 33:33
  to
• 33:34
  your
• 33:34
  interest.
• 33:35
  That's
• 33:35
  it.
• 33:35
  That's
• 33:36
  it.
• 33:36
  Always
• 33:36
  the
• 33:36
  case.
• 33:37
  My
• 33:37
  being
• 33:38
  responds
• 33:39
  to
• 33:39
  when
• 33:39
  it
• 33:40
  is
• 33:40
  called
• 33:40
  the
• 33:40
  response.
• 33:41
  Yeah.
• 33:42
  Yeah.
• 33:42
  Well,
• 33:43
  it's
• 33:43
  beautiful.
• 33:43
  Yeah.
• 33:45
  Well,
• 33:45
  thank
• 33:45
  you.
• 33:45
  Being.
• 33:48
  Yeah,
• 33:48
  thank
• 33:48
  you.
• 33:49
  What
• 33:49
  a
• 33:49
  gift.
• 33:50
  What
• 33:50
  a
• 33:50
  gift
• 33:50
  to
• 33:51
  all
• 33:51
  the
• 33:51
  listeners.
• 33:53
  Yeah,
• 33:54
  yeah.
• 33:54
  We're
• 33:55
  all
• 33:55
  being.
• 33:56
  Yep.
• 33:57
  Including
• 33:58
  our
• 33:58
  TV
• 33:58
  screen
• 33:59
  is
• 33:59
  being.
• 34:01
  Everything
• 34:02
  being.
• 34:02
  Remember
• 34:03
  about
• 34:03
  the
• 34:04
  oneness.
• 34:04
  Yeah,
• 34:05
  everything.
• 34:06
  Yeah.
• 34:07
  Part
• 34:08
  of
• 34:08
  my
• 34:08
  practice
• 34:08
  now,
• 34:09
  in
• 34:09
  Dzogchen
• 34:10
  practice,
• 34:10
  or
• 34:10
  Ma
• 34:11
  Mudra
• 34:11
  practice,
• 34:12
  actually
• 34:12
  at
• 34:12
  this
• 34:12
  stage,
• 34:13
  is
• 34:14
  just
• 34:14
  trying
• 34:15
  to
• 34:15
  sustain
• 34:16
  the
• 34:16
  recognition
• 34:16
  of
• 34:17
  everything.
• 34:17
  The
• 34:17
  term
• 34:18
  that's
• 34:18
  being
• 34:18
  used
• 34:18
  there
• 34:19
  is
• 34:19
  radiance.
• 34:20
  Everything
• 34:20
  is
• 34:21
  radiance.
• 34:22
  Yeah,
• 34:23
  that's
• 34:23
  one
• 34:23
  way
• 34:23
  of
• 34:24
  saying
• 34:24
  it.
• 34:24
  One
• 34:25
  of
• 34:25
  the
• 34:25
  way
• 34:25
  I've
• 34:26
  been
• 34:26
  writing
• 34:26
  a
• 34:26
  poem
• 34:27
  about
• 34:28
  and
• 34:29
  why
• 34:29
  I
• 34:29
  was
• 34:29
  saying
• 34:29
  is
• 34:30
  that
• 34:30
  peeing
• 34:31
  peers
• 34:32
  through
• 34:32
  all.
• 34:37
  Yeah,
• 34:37
  beautiful.
• 34:38
  And
• 34:39
  I
• 34:39
  was
• 34:39
  talking
• 34:39
  to
• 34:39
  Roger
• 34:40
  during
• 34:40
  the
• 34:40
  break.
• 34:40
  I
• 34:40
  said,
• 34:41
  this
• 34:42
  transmission,
• 34:43
  this
• 34:43
  teaching,
• 34:43
  it's
• 34:44
  very,
• 34:44
  very
• 34:44
  affirming.
• 34:45
  It's
• 34:45
  deeply
• 34:46
  affirming,
• 34:46
  though.
• 34:46
  Existence
• 34:47
  affirming.
• 34:48
  That
• 34:48
  real.
• 34:49
  Yeah.
• 34:49
  It
• 34:50
  affirms
• 34:51
  to
• 34:51
  you
• 34:52
  that
• 34:52
  you're
• 34:53
  real.
• 34:53
  You
• 34:53
  have
• 34:53
  real
• 34:54
  being
• 34:54
  and
• 34:55
  you
• 34:55
  are
• 34:56
  an
• 34:56
  expression
• 34:57
  of
• 34:57
  the
• 34:57
  being
• 34:57
  of
• 34:58
  God.
• 35:01
  That's
• 35:02
  a
• 35:02
  beautiful
• 35:02
  place
• 35:02
  to
• 35:02
  wrap
• 35:03
  it.
• 35:03
  Yeah,
• 35:04
  yeah,
• 35:04
  yeah.
• 35:05
  So
• 35:05
  we'll
• 35:05
  continue
• 35:06
  with
• 35:06
  this
• 35:06
  question
• 35:07
  being
• 35:07
  and
• 35:08
  take
• 35:08
  it
• 35:08
  to
• 35:08
  its
• 35:09
  cognitive
• 35:09
  side.
• 35:10
  Explore
• 35:10
  the
• 35:11
  cognitive
• 35:11
  side
• 35:11
  more
• 35:12
  completely
• 35:12
  next
• 35:13
  time
• 35:13
  because
• 35:13
  that
• 35:14
  will
• 35:14
  take
• 35:14
  us
• 35:15
  to
• 35:15
  what
• 35:15
  are
• 35:15
  some
• 35:16
  of
• 35:16
  the
• 35:16
  obstacles,
• 35:18
  you
• 35:18
  know,
• 35:18
  and
• 35:18
  how
• 35:19
  we
• 35:19
  understand
• 35:20
  mind.
• 35:20
  And
• 35:20
  all
• 35:21
  because
• 35:21
  people
• 35:22
  don't
• 35:22
  understand
• 35:23
  mind
• 35:23
  yet
• 35:25
  where
• 35:25
  mind
• 35:26
  come
• 35:26
  from.
• 35:27
  No
• 35:27
  shortage
• 35:28
  of
• 35:28
  topics.
• 35:29
  No.
• 35:30
  Hamid,
• 35:31
  thank
• 35:31
  you
• 35:31
  so,
• 35:32
  so
• 35:32
  much.
• 35:32
  We're
• 35:33
  so
• 35:33
  grateful
• 35:33
  to
• 35:33
  be
• 35:33
  here
• 35:34
  with
• 35:34
  you.
• 35:34
  And
• 35:34
  it's
• 35:34
  been
• 35:35
  just
• 35:35
  a
• 35:35
  great
• 35:35
  journey
• 35:35
  with
• 35:36
  us.
• 35:36
  And
• 35:37
  I
• 35:37
  would
• 35:37
  have
• 35:37
  never
• 35:38
  studied
• 35:38
  this
• 35:38
  book
• 35:39
  like
• 35:39
  I
• 35:39
  have,
• 35:39
  unless
• 35:39
  we're
• 35:40
  going
• 35:40
  to
• 35:40
  have
• 35:40
  these
• 35:40
  conversations.
• 35:41
  But
• 35:41
  I
• 35:41
  just
• 35:41
  have
• 35:42
  to
• 35:42
  keep
• 35:42
  immersing.
• 35:43
  And
• 35:43
  I
• 35:43
  have
• 35:43
  all
• 35:44
  these
• 35:44
  things
• 35:44
  underlined
• 35:44
  from
• 35:45
  the
• 35:45
  first
• 35:45
  two
• 35:45
  times.
• 35:46
  I
• 35:46
  said,
• 35:46
  maybe
• 35:47
  I'll
• 35:47
  just
• 35:47
  read
• 35:47
  what's
• 35:47
  underlined.
• 35:48
  And
• 35:49
  then
• 35:49
  I
• 35:49
  go,
• 35:49
  oh,
• 35:50
  I
• 35:50
  need
• 35:50
  to
• 35:50
  underline
• 35:51
  what
• 35:51
  I
• 35:51
  didn't
• 35:51
  underline
• 35:52
  the
• 35:52
  first
• 35:52
  two
• 35:52
  times.
• 35:53
  It's
• 35:53
  just
• 35:53
  like,
• 35:54
  well,
• 35:54
  hopefully
• 35:55
  this
• 35:55
  immersion
• 35:57
  will
• 35:57
  help
• 35:57
  our
• 35:58
  listeners
• 35:58
  immerse
• 35:59
  themselves
• 36:00
  in
• 36:00
  studying
• 36:00
  the
• 36:01
  book
• 36:01
  because
• 36:02
  they
• 36:02
  have
• 36:02
  all
• 36:02
  these
• 36:03
  reflection,
• 36:03
  all
• 36:04
  these
• 36:04
  discussion
• 36:04
  to
• 36:05
  help
• 36:05
  them,
• 36:05
  you
• 36:06
  know,
• 36:06
  immerse
• 36:07
  themselves
• 36:07
  in
• 36:07
  each
• 36:08
  chapter.
• 36:08
  Because
• 36:09
  truly
• 36:10
  they're
• 36:10
  not
• 36:10
  easy
• 36:11
  thing
• 36:11
  to
• 36:12
  penetrate
• 36:13
  those
• 36:13
  chapters,
• 36:14
  you
• 36:14
  know.
• 36:15
  Yeah.
• 36:16
  And
• 36:16
  I
• 36:16
  also,
• 36:17
  I
• 36:17
  realized
• 36:17
  I
• 36:18
  would
• 36:18
  like
• 36:19
  to
• 36:19
  emphasize
• 36:19
  more
• 36:20
  the
• 36:20
  opportunity
• 36:21
  of,
• 36:22
  you
• 36:22
  know,
• 36:23
  encouraging
• 36:24
  people
• 36:24
  to
• 36:24
  go
• 36:25
  through
• 36:25
  the
• 36:25
  program
• 36:26
  and
• 36:26
  in
• 36:26
  addition
• 36:27
  to
• 36:27
  the
• 36:28
  listening
• 36:28
  and
• 36:28
  the
• 36:28
  reading,
• 36:29
  so
• 36:29
  whatever
• 36:30
  way.
• 36:30
  They
• 36:31
  can
• 36:31
  do
• 36:31
  it,
• 36:31
  of
• 36:32
  course,
• 36:32
  because
• 36:33
  there
• 36:33
  are.
• 36:33
  Yes,
• 36:34
  there
• 36:34
  are
• 36:34
  practices,
• 36:35
  there
• 36:35
  are
• 36:35
  teaching,
• 36:36
  there
• 36:36
  are
• 36:36
  guidance
• 36:37
  There
• 36:37
  are
• 36:37
  teachers
• 36:38
  and
• 36:39
  this
• 36:39
  school,
• 36:40
  but
• 36:40
  many
• 36:40
  other
• 36:41
  schools
• 36:41
  have
• 36:41
  teaching,
• 36:42
  you
• 36:42
  know,
• 36:42
  and
• 36:43
  they
• 36:43
  do
• 36:43
  it
• 36:43
  a
• 36:43
  different
• 36:43
  way.
• 36:45
  But
• 36:45
  if
• 36:45
  you
• 36:45
  want
• 36:45
  to
• 36:46
  learn
• 36:46
  it
• 36:46
  this
• 36:46
  way,
• 36:47
  this
• 36:48
  all
• 36:48
  does
• 36:48
  it.
• 36:49
  Yeah.
• 36:49
  Yeah.
• 36:50
  Well,
• 36:51
  Ned,
• 36:51
  ah,
• 36:52
  it's
• 36:52
  a
• 36:52
  gift.
• 36:53
  Good
• 36:54
  seeing
• 36:54
  you
• 36:54
  guys.
• 36:55
  You
• 36:55
  know,
• 36:56
  I've
• 36:56
  been
• 36:56
  away.
• 36:57
  In
• 36:57
  fact,
• 36:57
  it
• 36:57
  seems
• 36:58
  like
• 36:58
  it's
• 36:58
  been
• 36:58
  forever.
• 36:59
  I've
• 36:59
  been
• 37:00
  gone.
• 37:00
  It
• 37:00
  feels
• 37:01
  like
• 37:01
  I've
• 37:01
  been
• 37:01
  gone
• 37:02
  for
• 37:02
  five
• 37:02
  years.
• 37:03
  Was
• 37:03
  only
• 37:03
  five
• 37:04
  weeks.
• 37:05
  Well,
• 37:06
  sounds
• 37:06
  like
• 37:06
  it
• 37:06
  was
• 37:06
  a
• 37:06
  rich
• 37:07
  and
• 37:07
  full
• 37:07
  time,
• 37:08
  so
• 37:08
  that's
• 37:08
  wonderful.
• 37:09
  It
• 37:10
  was.
• 37:10
  Yeah.
• 37:12
  As
• 37:12
  now.
• 37:13
  As
• 37:14
  now.
• 37:14
  Yes.
• 37:14
  Rich
• 37:15
  with
• 37:15
  being.
• 37:17
  Rich
• 37:17
  with
• 37:17
  being
• 37:18
  now.
• 37:18
  Rich
• 37:19
  with
• 37:19
  being.
• 37:19
  Not
• 37:19
  with
• 37:20
  events.
• 37:20
  With
• 37:20
  being.
• 37:21
  Yes.
• 37:22
  Let
• 37:22
  it
• 37:23
  always
• 37:23
  be
• 37:23
  so.
• 37:24
  Yeah.
• 37:25
  Yeah.
• 37:26
  Wonderful.
• 37:26
  See
• 37:27
  you
• 37:27
  next
• 37:27
  time.
• 37:27
  Yeah.
• 37:28
  Thanks
• 37:28
  so
• 37:28
  much.
• 37:29
  Yeah.
• 37:30
  Thank
• 37:30
  you
• 37:30
  very
• 37:31
  much
• 37:31
  for
• 37:31
  being
• 37:31
  a
• 37:32
  part
• 37:32
  of
• 37:32
  this
• 37:32
  conversation.
• 37:33
  We
• 37:33
  hope
• 37:34
  that
• 37:34
  you
• 37:34
  were
• 37:34
  moved
• 37:35
  as
• 37:35
  we
• 37:35
  are
• 37:35
  moved
• 37:36
  in
• 37:36
  part.
• 37:36
  Part
• 37:36
  of
• 37:36
  it
• 37:36
  ourselves.
• 37:37
  We'd
• 37:38
  also
• 37:38
  like
• 37:38
  to
• 37:38
  say
• 37:39
  that
• 37:39
  this
• 37:39
  is
• 37:39
  being
• 37:39
  funded
• 37:40
  by
• 37:40
  Roger
• 37:41
  and
• 37:41
  myself.
• 37:41
  It
• 37:41
  comes
• 37:41
  out
• 37:42
  of
• 37:42
  our
• 37:42
  pockets.
• 37:42
  So
• 37:43
  if
• 37:43
  you
• 37:43
  would
• 37:43
  like
• 37:43
  to
• 37:43
  help
• 37:43
  us
• 37:44
  to
• 37:44
  mainly
• 37:45
  to
• 37:45
  get
• 37:45
  this
• 37:46
  podcast
• 37:46
  out
• 37:46
  to
• 37:46
  more
• 37:47
  people
• 37:47
  because
• 37:47
  the
• 37:48
  bigger
• 37:48
  audience
• 37:48
  have
• 37:48
  which
• 37:49
  is
• 37:49
  steadily
• 37:49
  growing,
• 37:49
  but
• 37:50
  the
• 37:50
  more
• 37:50
  people
• 37:50
  we
• 37:50
  can
• 37:51
  reach
• 37:51
  and
• 37:51
  the
• 37:51
  more
• 37:51
  marketing
• 37:52
  we
• 37:52
  can
• 37:52
  do,
• 37:52
  the
• 37:53
  more
• 37:53
  positive
• 37:53
  effect
• 37:54
  we
• 37:54
  can
• 37:54
  have
• 37:54
  on
• 37:54
  the
• 37:55
  world.
• 37:55
  So
• 37:55
  we've
• 37:55
  done
• 37:56
  that
• 37:56
  a
• 37:56
  couple
• 37:56
  of
• 37:56
  ways.
• 37:56
  But
• 37:56
  we'd
• 37:57
  like
• 37:57
  you
• 37:57
  to
• 37:57
  buy
• 37:58
  us
• 37:58
  a
• 37:58
  cup
• 37:58
  of
• 37:58
  coffee.
• 37:59
  Very
• 37:59
  simple.
• 37:59
  And
• 37:59
  I
• 38:00
  do
• 38:00
  that
• 38:00
  with
• 38:00
  podcasts
• 38:01
  that
• 38:01
  I
• 38:02
  support
• 38:02
  it
• 38:02
  and
• 38:03
  I
• 38:03
  found
• 38:03
  it
• 38:03
  very
• 38:03
  satisfying.
• 38:04
  So
• 38:04
  thank
• 38:05
  you
• 38:05
  for
• 38:05
  your
• 38:05
  help.
• 38:06
  Thank
• 38:06
  you
• 38:06
  for
• 38:06
  your
• 38:06
  presence
• 38:07
  and
• 38:07
  thank
• 38:07
  you
• 38:07
  for
• 38:07
  all
• 38:08
  you
• 38:08
  are
• 38:08
  and
• 38:08
  all
• 38:09
  you
• 38:09
  do.
• 38:09
  We
• 38:09
  love
• 38:09
  you.
• 38:28
  Sam.