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Moore History, Andrew Jackson Part 2 · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: All right, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Thankfully, We're gonna talk about other things for a while.
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  Speaker 2: It's like I was sitting here in venting to doctor
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  Speaker 2: Ed Moore, It's like, we need this, we need a break,
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  Speaker 2: we need to push away, push away. It's it's like
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  Speaker 2: push away from the roaring waters and just get to.
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  Speaker 1: The calmness of the bay. And that's where we are
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  Speaker 1: right now. We're in the calmness of the bay.
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  Speaker 3: I calm.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I know that your wife might disagree right now,
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  Speaker 2: well you better bring it today we are It's time
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  Speaker 2: for a little more history. Doctor Ed Moore joins us,
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  Speaker 2: our resident historian, and the the the volume of information
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  Speaker 2: on President Andrew Jackson was so much we needed to
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  Speaker 2: devote a second segment to it.
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  Speaker 3: That and my fascination with insane people that are president
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  Speaker 3: of the United States, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, is that how you would describe him?
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  Speaker 3: Why different? I would say, you know, it's probably half
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  Speaker 3: a dozen.
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  Speaker 1: Was he crafty crazy?
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  Speaker 3: No, it was just natural. I don't think it was calculated.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was just his personality and who he was.
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  Speaker 2: Would we call him crazy today or would we call
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  Speaker 2: him eccentric?
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  Speaker 1: We would call him trumpy? Okay, okay, fair, Just.
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  Speaker 3: There's certain people that become president. You wonder how they
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  Speaker 3: rose to that level, and you know, based on their
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  Speaker 3: personalities and such, but they did, and they did things
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  Speaker 3: differently and change I mean a lot. They're change agents basically,
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  Speaker 3: but because nobody knows how to deal with them.
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  Speaker 2: For those that missed our last segment set up his presidency.
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  Speaker 2: Who preceded him.
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  Speaker 3: John Quincy Adams, he much liked Trump, although it was
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  Speaker 3: his first election running for president, would claim that his
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  Speaker 3: presidency was stolen from the election of eighteen twenty four
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  Speaker 3: went to the House of Representatives four states that he
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  Speaker 3: won the popular vote. Jackson won the popular vote in
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  Speaker 3: three elections, three elections in a row. He won the
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  Speaker 3: popular vote, but in the eighteen to twenty four election,
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  Speaker 3: nobody got the electoral college. And then what does Jackson do.
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  Speaker 3: He comes out against the electoral college. You think it's
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  Speaker 3: a scam. I don't like it. He liked it the
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  Speaker 3: next two times, just fine, but he didn't like it
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  Speaker 3: that first and went to the House in four different
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  Speaker 3: states flipped that they were strongly for Jackson, Illinois being
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  Speaker 3: one of them. And there are four of them that
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  Speaker 3: you know, corrupt Jackson called it the corrupt Bargain. Henry
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  Speaker 3: Clay became Secretary of State under John Quincy Adams, and
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  Speaker 3: there's the same kind of stuff we're seeing now that
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  Speaker 3: if somebody doesn't go along with you, where somebody does something,
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  Speaker 3: it's everything's corrupt. They're horrible, they're bad people.
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  Speaker 1: Except this time it was corrupt.
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  Speaker 3: In twenty two it was a corrupt boy. Oh yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 3: that's what they said in eighteen twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: Too, except this time it really was. But any way, god, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So it.
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  Speaker 3: Was a different world and Adams who had Oddly enough,
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  Speaker 3: Adams had backed Jackson back in the eighteen seventeen I
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  Speaker 3: believe when Jackson was the major General and Monroe had
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  Speaker 3: him invade into Florida and Spain controlled Florida at that
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  Speaker 3: point in time. Still Monroe had him invade into Florida
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  Speaker 3: and chase, chase around, chasing around, neamouthla and bow legs
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  Speaker 3: and different mikisikis and what became the seminoles really without authorization,
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  Speaker 3: and there was no formal authorization he told them after
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  Speaker 3: the I think is Robert Scott was a lieutenant on
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  Speaker 3: the Apolectical River that forty three people got ambushed and
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  Speaker 3: died that were bringing supplies up. You have to think
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  Speaker 3: of North Florida back then without the dam and Chattahoochee,
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  Speaker 3: so that it was swampy. And then the rivers connected,
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  Speaker 3: the Flint River, the Chattoosh, they all connected and then
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  Speaker 3: ran down and became an apolectical river. Well, we had
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  Speaker 3: forts on the Georgia side. All the way up to Albany,
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  Speaker 3: there were different forts, and Nea Mouthlow was a Mikasuki
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  Speaker 3: tribal leader that kept ambushing settlements. And so Monroe said
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  Speaker 3: to Andrew Jackson, and this was after the War of
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  Speaker 3: eighteen twelve, and he was a famous general, go get him.
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  Speaker 3: He chased them all over southwest Georgia down into Jackson County,
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  Speaker 3: all the way to the Swanee River. They chased people
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  Speaker 3: all around General Gaines and named gains Will after him.
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  Speaker 3: They got to the Swanee River, and you really couldn't
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  Speaker 3: cross the Swanee River easily back.
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  Speaker 1: In those days.
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  Speaker 3: You had to go way north because the fording wasn't
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  Speaker 3: real easy. So Jackson was in the middle of all
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  Speaker 3: this kind of surreptitiously doing what Monroe wanted to do
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  Speaker 3: without formal authorization, kind of tell us a little bit
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  Speaker 3: about his character.
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  Speaker 2: Not only are we looking at the presidency of Andrew Jackson,
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  Speaker 2: but we're getting a Florida history lesson as well. Here
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  Speaker 2: with Doctor Ed Moore on The Morning Show with Preston Scott.
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  Speaker 1: Sting Show with Preston Scott. You're mockingee, aren't you.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, no, no no no. I used
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  Speaker 4: Radio one hundred point seven wn UFLA.
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  Speaker 2: With the Morning Show band and Jose Can you see.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Preston Scott and this is doctor Ed Moore. We're
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  Speaker 2: talking about President Andrew Jackson. This series we're doing is
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  Speaker 2: on the President said a lot of people don't really
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  Speaker 2: spend much time thinking about or knowing much about. Give
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  Speaker 2: us a little thumbnail biographical sketch of this guy.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he was Irish. Most people aren't aware of that.
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  Speaker 3: His parents were actually immigrants from Ireland. Interesting County Antrim
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  Speaker 3: which is up above Belfast, Okay, which is now not
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  Speaker 3: part of Ireland but.
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  Speaker 1: Is Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they immigrated here and settled in the Carolinas. Andrew
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  Speaker 3: Jackson was actually born who knows where The borders had
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  Speaker 3: really not been set between North and South Carolina. He
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  Speaker 3: thinks he was maybe born in his uncle's cabin in
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  Speaker 3: South Carolina, but both states claim them.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, he's just kind of a thing.
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  Speaker 3: He was just way out in the wilderness is where
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  Speaker 3: he was born. His parents came over. He had two brothers.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting little factoid about Andrew Jackson and his brother Robert,
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  Speaker 3: who died ended up. I think getting tuberculosis in a
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  Speaker 3: prisoner a British prisoner of war camp. As teenagers, they
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  Speaker 3: volunteered for the revolution. It shows, it gives a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of mindset of Andrew Jackson. Yeah, I'm fourteen. What
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  Speaker 3: am I gonna do? I know I'll go fight the
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  Speaker 3: British at fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had a scar on his face again,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit into his mindset. A British officer wanted him,
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  Speaker 3: made him get down and polish his boots. And Andrew
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  Speaker 3: Jackson refused, and he pulled his sword and whacked him
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  Speaker 3: on the put a deep scar on his arm and
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  Speaker 3: a scar across his face at fourteen, fifteen years of age,
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  Speaker 3: strong mindset, strong will. Reminds me a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: myself when I was a teenager. You know, they just
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  Speaker 3: you can't tell me what to do.
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  Speaker 1: Is that why you got the bushy hair and the
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  Speaker 1: beard to cover the scars.
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  Speaker 3: Cover the scars. Yeah, but just just a fascinating background
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  Speaker 3: for someone to rise up, and it shows you the value.
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  Speaker 3: I get so frustrated with people knocking our country. It
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  Speaker 3: remains the land of opportunity, and it was the land
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  Speaker 3: of opportunity and people could come out of the backwoods
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  Speaker 3: of the Carolinas and rise to where he did with
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  Speaker 3: no family ties, no big connections.
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  Speaker 1: No nobility, no heritage, arg.
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  Speaker 3: Arguing actually against the establishment and the financiers of its time,
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  Speaker 3: to end up creating because of him, two political parties
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  Speaker 3: that remained today. We had one Republican party that they
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  Speaker 3: all were part of and fought over, and we ended
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  Speaker 3: up with Democratic Republicans, which is what Andrew Jackson was,
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  Speaker 3: and then the National Republicans, which were the Whigs that
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  Speaker 3: was Henry Clay, Daniel Webster and others. And Andrew Jackson
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  Speaker 3: just battled against them all. He was a battler, so
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  Speaker 3: many fascinating things about him. The historians say he was
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  Speaker 3: probably in one hundred and three duels in his life.
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me, yeah, and I've raised him, so he was
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and three and oh yes, but carried around
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  Speaker 1: bullets within for a good part of his life.
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  Speaker 3: When he was younger, he got into a duel over
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  Speaker 3: a horse. There's supposed to be a horse race. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's a long story. But and then insulting publicly the
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  Speaker 3: people that backed out of the horse race, and they
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  Speaker 3: didn't live up to their obligations, and then they insulted
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  Speaker 3: him publicly. So his response was, well, I think we
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  Speaker 3: should due and he the other guy shot first, put
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  Speaker 3: a bullet into his chest, missed his heart by about
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  Speaker 3: an inch or two. It was close enough that they
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  Speaker 3: couldn't the surgeon's determined surgery back in the sure that
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  Speaker 3: it wouldn't be a good idea to operate to try
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  Speaker 3: to extract the bullet. So he carried that bullet his
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  Speaker 3: entire life, created problems for he had trapnel it all
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  Speaker 3: over in his body. He from different wounds and bullets.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred and three duels, and he became president of
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  Speaker 3: the United States.
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  Speaker 1: But it was any duels after becoming president that we
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  Speaker 1: know of.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, are you insulting me? Now, let's do
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  Speaker 3: a duel. I mean that's my head of where this
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  Speaker 3: guy was. He didn't take rough from anybody, and so
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  Speaker 3: do we remind you of the president now, although he
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  Speaker 3: would never duel, but if you disagree, I'm coming after
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  Speaker 3: you do. That's what Andrew Jackson did.
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  Speaker 2: How big of a role did that play in his governance?
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  Speaker 1: A tremendous rule. Okay, we're going to get to that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's next.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor edmore with me more history in the morning show
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  Speaker 2: with Crestin Scott.
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  Speaker 2: The final segment here Doctor had more a little more
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  Speaker 2: history talking Andrew Jackson and his presidency.
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  Speaker 1: Unique guy, extremely unique guy.
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  Speaker 3: Ended up with a major battle over the Second National Bank.
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  Speaker 3: He vetoed it. His argument he was a populist. His
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  Speaker 3: argument was money shouldn't be controlled. It was like the
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  Speaker 3: begin before the Federal Reserve. This we had a large
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  Speaker 3: bank that controlled interest rates, where the money was going
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  Speaker 3: investments and such, and he wanted to get rid of it.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted the money to.
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  Speaker 3: Be dispersed in the power to be dispersed out to
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  Speaker 3: the states.
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  Speaker 1: Was he a federalist? Know not?
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  Speaker 3: Really he he was. I would classify him as a
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  Speaker 3: modern language, as a populace that he just he When
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  Speaker 3: he was I think his second inauguration, he opened up
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  Speaker 3: the White House and said, come on in, we'll have
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  Speaker 3: a party. And they had alcohol and all kinds of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And the party got so rowdy that Andrew Jackson had
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  Speaker 3: to escape from through a window to get out because
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  Speaker 3: they were tearing up everything and rioting and having a giant,
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  Speaker 3: big party. That was kind of that was his people. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So he was against establishment, he was anti establishment, he
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  Speaker 3: was anti big money. He was he was an uncommon commenter.
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  Speaker 3: I would describe him as that. And he was the
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  Speaker 3: first president to have an assassination attempt on him. We
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  Speaker 3: were talking about this earlier. He was coming out of
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  Speaker 3: a funeral that was being held in Congress for a member,
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  Speaker 3: and this fellow walked up, pulled a flint luck pistol,
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  Speaker 3: and misfired pulled another flint luck pistol, and misfired. Jackson
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  Speaker 3: was sixty seven years old at the time, which was
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  Speaker 3: pretty old back then, walking with a cane, and Jackson
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  Speaker 3: pulled up his cane and chased the guy down and
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  Speaker 3: started beating him and they had to pull they go,
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  Speaker 3: they had to pull him off of the guy.
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  Speaker 2: Some of us old guys pull out a P three
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  Speaker 2: sixty five sig and go from there.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, his cane, what he had just started
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  Speaker 1: wailing on him with his cane.
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  Speaker 3: You know. Interestingly, the problem when they prosecuted that guy,
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  Speaker 3: the lead prosecutor was Francis Scott Key who wrote The
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  Speaker 3: Star Stole Banger. And the guy that pulled Jackson off
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  Speaker 3: of this guy on the ground was Davy Crockett. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know, this is cool stuff. This stuff he gets
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  Speaker 3: me excited because I'm kind of weird. But you can
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  Speaker 3: imagine that I got Davy Crockett pulling a guy off.
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  Speaker 1: That those two guys were different.
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  Speaker 3: The President of the United States is beaten with a cane.
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  Speaker 2: That's nuts. Tell me, we got just a couple of
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  Speaker 2: minutes left. What is most notable about his presidency that
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  Speaker 2: you think is worth noting.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was the beginning of reshaping the presidency.
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  Speaker 3: Prior to him, there was a deference to Congress. Congress
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  Speaker 3: they were big for their bridges, and the senators and
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  Speaker 3: certain House members they were kind of running the country.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what he rebelled against I mean people like
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  Speaker 3: Daniel Webster and Henry Clay and these guys. He beat
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  Speaker 3: Clay actually in the eighteen thirty two election, beat him
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  Speaker 3: like a drum. But those guys did not want to
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  Speaker 3: let go of control. And then sitting over on the
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  Speaker 3: side was my distant relative, John C. Calhoun, who was
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  Speaker 3: actually vice president during that time frame and got vice
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  Speaker 3: president when Quincy Adams, I would say, stole the election
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  Speaker 3: his people. Calhoun was a vice president. He didn't get
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  Speaker 3: along with any of them. He blamed He blamed Calhoun
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  Speaker 3: for perhaps killing or the assassination attempt people. He blamed
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  Speaker 3: a guy from Mississippi, senator from Mississippi being part of it.
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  Speaker 3: He was blaming everybody.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't have the CIA to blame it.
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  Speaker 3: That they don't have anybody to blame you, So it
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  Speaker 3: was all Internaleah. But it shows you the rough and
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  Speaker 3: tumble of politics that we see now is not new.
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  Speaker 3: It's been there. And that he created the executive office
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  Speaker 3: basically the strength of the executive office, daring Congress to
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  Speaker 3: override him, daring Congress to say no on the things
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  Speaker 3: he wanted to get done, and he.
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  Speaker 1: Just did them.
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  Speaker 3: And it's set a model for other presidents to try
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  Speaker 3: and follow, and we've been kind of on a bumpy
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  Speaker 3: road ever since.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting as always, Thank you great to be here, doctor
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  Speaker 1: Ed Moore. Not enough time, No, that's the way it happens.
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  Speaker 2: Nope, you never do. I don't know why you even
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  Speaker 2: bother with those things. Back next month with more with
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  Speaker 2: doctor Ed Moore here on The Morning Show with the
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  Speaker 2: Preston Scott