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America’s-Most-Feared-Serial-Killers-of-All-Time-Serial-Killer-Documentary · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: There's an old thrill like.
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: A good kill.
• 0:20
  Speaker 3: Richard Ramires, otherwise known as an ice talker.
• 0:23
  Speaker 4: He's the sadistic killer wanted for a series of murders
• 0:27
  Speaker 4: and rapes.
• 0:32
  Speaker 5: Her throat was horribly slashed, almost to the bone.
• 0:37
  Speaker 6: This was a very, very personal attack on this woman.
• 0:47
  Speaker 7: Intrusions, murders, rapes. This was one of the most dangerous
• 0:51
  Speaker 7: people I've ever seen.
• 0:54
  Speaker 8: We felt they wouldn't catch him before he killed a
• 0:57
  Speaker 8: lot more people.
• 0:58
  Speaker 9: Who wants to be next.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: For some minute.
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: It is a very act of killing that is sexual.
• 1:16
  Speaker 10: He encounters the sleeping victim bristling with hostility.
• 1:23
  Speaker 11: Whatever which you wanted to do, that's it.
• 1:44
  Speaker 12: It was very, very hot.
• 1:45
  Speaker 13: It was that summer of unbelievable heat in Los Angeles County.
• 1:50
  Speaker 13: Most people at that time were not hesitant to leave
• 1:55
  Speaker 13: windows open.
• 2:05
  Speaker 6: That day, Jack Vincow walks up to his mother's apartment.
• 2:09
  Speaker 6: The windows open and the front door is unlocked. Jack
• 2:15
  Speaker 6: proceeds through the front door and saw that the living
• 2:18
  Speaker 6: room had been completely ransacked.
• 2:22
  Speaker 5: It looked like somebody had gone through and taken property,
• 2:24
  Speaker 5: or at least looking for property.
• 2:29
  Speaker 6: Jack continues through the apartment to his mother's bedroom and there,
• 2:32
  Speaker 6: he finds his mother partially covered by a sheet.
• 2:40
  Speaker 5: Her throat was horribly slashed, almost to the bone. Blood
• 2:46
  Speaker 5: all over the place. Just a horrible, horrible scene.
• 2:51
  Speaker 6: He had phones LAPD's nine to one to one line
• 2:55
  Speaker 6: and tells them someone has murdered my mother, Please come quick.
• 3:04
  Speaker 5: The police learned that Jenny Vincal, who's seventy nine years old.
• 3:13
  Speaker 5: She had immigrated from the USSR to New York City.
• 3:17
  Speaker 5: She raised two sons and managed a rental property and
• 3:20
  Speaker 5: later moved out to Los Angeles to be near her
• 3:23
  Speaker 5: son Jack.
• 3:26
  Speaker 6: Jack was undoubtedly horrified. Who would do this kind of
• 3:29
  Speaker 6: horrific thing to an elderly woman. After the responding officers
• 3:39
  Speaker 6: had secured the crime scene, the detectives proceed to the bedroom.
• 3:45
  Speaker 5: What stood out to me most was the amount of blood.
• 3:49
  Speaker 5: There were both slashes and stab.
• 3:51
  Speaker 6: Wounds, and there are indications that the victim had also
• 3:56
  Speaker 6: been sexually assaulted. This was a very very personal hack.
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: On this woman.
• 4:10
  Speaker 5: It appeared that whoever did this came in through a
• 4:12
  Speaker 5: living room window, had removed a windows screen.
• 4:18
  Speaker 6: A fingerprint was successfully lifted around the metal rim of
• 4:21
  Speaker 6: the screen. Duty and shock and the emotions compete with
• 4:37
  Speaker 6: one another, and at least for me, duty always won out.
• 4:40
  Speaker 6: We got to make sure somebody's brought to justice for this.
• 5:18
  Speaker 14: When I was young, when I was like like five six.
• 5:23
  Speaker 15: I opened the curtains and I was at the window.
• 5:25
  Speaker 16: It was a monster, big hairy monster.
• 5:30
  Speaker 17: And did they didn't like you tell you to do anything?
• 5:33
  Speaker 14: Oh?
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  Speaker 6: I mean I used to get scared, scared of lot.
• 5:45
  Speaker 10: Richard rare As was the youngest of five children to
• 5:49
  Speaker 10: a couple living in Alpaso, Texas.
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: I may years older than reaching.
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  Speaker 18: I would take care of him when my MoMA do
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  Speaker 18: some announce and take him.
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: To the swings or to take him to the park.
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  Speaker 10: It's unclear whether that might have had an effect on
• 6:19
  Speaker 10: the development of Richard's brain areas associated with impulse control, morality, judgment,
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  Speaker 10: executive functioning.
• 6:29
  Speaker 19: Is there such a thing as a bad seed when
• 6:31
  Speaker 19: a baby is born, is he already a serial killer?
• 6:35
  Speaker 19: Or is he created by his own deeds and feelings
• 6:40
  Speaker 19: throughout his life?
• 6:48
  Speaker 18: My dad was a copboard in Mexico where he came
• 6:52
  Speaker 18: over here.
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: They hire him at the Santa Fe Roal Road. His
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: father was often more work at when he was around.
• 7:01
  Speaker 10: He was reportedly quite aggressive and explosive judgmental.
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: My dad when he was in a bad move and you.
• 7:11
  Speaker 20: Ruined the row with it, he felt that being physically tough,
• 7:20
  Speaker 20: were actually brutal, was the thing you have to do
• 7:24
  Speaker 20: in order to keep the kids alive.
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  Speaker 18: One time, my dad, he was under the sync and
• 7:34
  Speaker 18: he was trying to put this part in it and
• 7:37
  Speaker 18: he couldn't figure it out, and he said, I'm stupid, dumb,
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  Speaker 18: and all of a sudden he.
• 7:46
  Speaker 17: Get the hammer that you're hitting himself on the head.
• 7:58
  Speaker 10: I think Richard felt very detached from his father and
• 8:01
  Speaker 10: probably had a long gang for a structuring relationship with
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  Speaker 10: a male figure.
• 8:08
  Speaker 17: What do you think you would do next? You're us
• 8:11
  Speaker 17: with a hammer.
• 8:36
  Speaker 6: Jenny Vincou was not your typical homicide victim here in
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  Speaker 6: Los Angeles. So much of that crime were related to
• 8:43
  Speaker 6: gang issues, narcotic issues, drug issues, and this just didn't
• 8:48
  Speaker 6: appear to be the case with Jenny Vincou. The detectives
• 8:55
  Speaker 6: continue their investigation, canvassing neighborhoods, reinterviewing people, but none of those.
• 9:01
  Speaker 5: Techniques worked, so that case was unsolved. I don't think
• 9:06
  Speaker 5: anybody could have predicted what would happen next.
• 9:20
  Speaker 21: Dads are like legends, right. My dad was like that
• 9:24
  Speaker 21: World War two event. He was in the Battle of
• 9:27
  Speaker 21: the Bulge with General Patton. I joined the military too,
• 9:32
  Speaker 21: and that's how we became really close. And Maxine, my stepmother,
• 9:38
  Speaker 21: was a great role model too. She was a CPA
• 9:41
  Speaker 21: and attorney.
• 9:44
  Speaker 5: At the time, they were successful business owners. They owned
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  Speaker 5: a couple of pizza restaurants.
• 10:03
  Speaker 6: Upon their arrival at the front, the men saw the
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  Speaker 6: door to be Ajar picked around.
• 10:08
  Speaker 5: The door, mister Azara was in a living room area,
• 10:13
  Speaker 5: dead from a bullet wound to the head.
• 10:18
  Speaker 21: God only knows why it happened like that, but this
• 10:22
  Speaker 21: is the ultimate and evil.
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  Speaker 6: When the police arrived on the scene, they contacted the
• 10:45
  Speaker 6: two callers who tell them that the home was owned
• 10:48
  Speaker 6: by Vincent in Maxine's Azara. The police officers find Vincent's
• 10:54
  Speaker 6: Azara dead on a sofa. He had a single gunshot
• 11:02
  Speaker 6: wound in the head that appears to have been fired
• 11:05
  Speaker 6: in a close range. And then the officers find Maxine's
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  Speaker 6: Azara partially nude and she appears essentially to have been
• 11:17
  Speaker 6: butchered in the bedroom.
• 11:23
  Speaker 5: They thought she knew have been sexually assaulted as well,
• 11:26
  Speaker 5: So it's just a horrendous, horrendous crime scene.
• 11:35
  Speaker 21: I went to the house right away, and you know,
• 11:38
  Speaker 21: cops everywhere, and they told me I couldn't go in
• 11:41
  Speaker 21: because you know, there was a crime scene and all that.
• 11:45
  Speaker 21: And my dad, he was a glue that held the
• 11:52
  Speaker 21: far faunily together. For holidays. He would like make like
• 11:56
  Speaker 21: huge place of lasagnia. And if he came over to
• 11:59
  Speaker 21: the house, what do you think, it looks like you're
• 12:02
  Speaker 21: starving to death.
• 12:03
  Speaker 22: Get over here.
• 12:04
  Speaker 21: After this happened, every time there's a holiday, it's a
• 12:08
  Speaker 21: bad day.
• 12:27
  Speaker 13: I noticed that there was a bucket right under the window.
• 12:33
  Speaker 6: On that bucket was a shoe print, and in the
• 12:37
  Speaker 6: adjacent flower bed a similar shoeprint was discovered. It was huge.
• 12:45
  Speaker 6: It could turn out to be compelling evidence in a
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  Speaker 6: lead that helps identify the killer.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: H was your cousin in excellence on him?
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 13:24
  Speaker 19: I look up to it all right, because when you're
• 13:26
  Speaker 19: at that age, you know, superheroes, war heroes are like
• 13:31
  Speaker 19: in college books TV.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: This vicious means strong.
• 13:36
  Speaker 16: You know.
• 13:38
  Speaker 18: Megad oh Man, that guy when he came back from Vietnam,
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  Speaker 18: he was something.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 7: He bragged about killing women, Vietnamese and Vietcong women, as
• 13:56
  Speaker 7: well molesting them, decapitating some of them with a Michelle.
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't believe me in there. He could come to
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  Speaker 1: my house.
• 14:09
  Speaker 18: I went to the house and he was going through
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  Speaker 18: all these pictures and he liked it. A journey mine
• 14:17
  Speaker 18: Richard would love to jews portals.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: True.
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  Speaker 9: I didn't mind seeing know that gordon Us.
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  Speaker 22: It was a turn up.
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  Speaker 9: It was exciting.
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  Speaker 10: He's got puberty overlapping with exposure to violence, and I
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  Speaker 10: think he started to realize that he was actually aroused
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  Speaker 10: by images of violence.
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  Speaker 2: He used to say, there's an old thrill, like a
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  Speaker 2: good kill.
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  Speaker 9: And uh he stwn bones.
• 14:58
  Speaker 10: So there was a a a tragic incident where Ramirez
• 15:02
  Speaker 10: was spending time with his cousin.
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  Speaker 2: It was a sunny day.
• 15:09
  Speaker 17: I had been with Mike that day hanging out.
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  Speaker 23: And he got to his house about three pm.
• 15:25
  Speaker 18: He went and got the gun from the job party
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  Speaker 18: refrigerator and got close to her and blew her head off.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: There, which she saw everything.
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  Speaker 10: For a healthy, average individual, that would have been a
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  Speaker 10: horrendous and traumatic experience. I think for somebody like Bermirez,
• 15:51
  Speaker 10: all of the gore and the violence of the moment
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  Speaker 10: was probably profoundly exciting.
• 15:59
  Speaker 15: It struck me that she was dead, you know, because
• 16:01
  Speaker 15: I knew pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: That had a very profound effect on me when I
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: saw it.
• 16:09
  Speaker 10: Unfortunately, became something of a surrogate father figure U tuber
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  Speaker 10: Mires and I think really inspired him.
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  Speaker 6: The particularly brutal nature of the murders of Vincent in
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  Speaker 6: maxins Azara drove an urgency.
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  Speaker 5: But there was no suspect at the time. There was
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: no connection between the Sizara murder scene and the Vincou
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  Speaker 5: murder scene.
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  Speaker 6: There's a whole grouping of murders. They seem to dominate
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  Speaker 6: in the suburban areas, but there's no real commonality to it.
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  Speaker 6: Some are by gunshot, some by stabbing weapons.
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  Speaker 5: Victims of different ages, different races, certainly different communities. One
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  Speaker 5: of the locations there was a pentagram drawn up on
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  Speaker 5: the wall.
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  Speaker 6: So many of the descriptions pointed to this being the
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: same man. He was just as a rather tall, thin
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  Speaker 6: Mexican or white male, stringy dark hair.
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  Speaker 5: By July, things were heating up, literally and figuratively. It
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: almost seemed like every weekend there was another attack, another murder.
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  Speaker 5: People were really scared.
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  Speaker 1: Lock your doors, lock your windows.
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  Speaker 10: Who wants to be next?
• 18:29
  Speaker 24: Tied on.
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: In July of nineteen eighty five. Nobody felt safe. This
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  Speaker 6: is the summer of horrible murders that left people uneasy, afraid,
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  Speaker 6: and unsecure in their very own homes.
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  Speaker 25: I was concerned, very concerned.
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  Speaker 8: They were suspecting that it was somebody breaking into houses
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  Speaker 8: at night time.
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  Speaker 25: I was nineteen at the time.
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  Speaker 8: I say, Grammy, you need to lock your doors. Please
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  Speaker 8: just lock the doors at night. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 8: lock the doors. They were Midwesterners who left their back
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  Speaker 8: door open because their neighbor might need something.
• 19:26
  Speaker 26: My parents were just the most wonderful parents anybody can have.
• 19:31
  Speaker 26: My father was a mechanic and he owned several service
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  Speaker 26: stations all over from Hollywood to East Dela.
• 19:41
  Speaker 27: My mother worked as a security guard.
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: What I really remember was, more than anything else, their
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  Speaker 8: family meant everything to them.
• 20:04
  Speaker 26: I remember that we pulled up in front of my
• 20:07
  Speaker 26: parents' home. I went to the back door and I
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  Speaker 26: noticed that it was open.
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  Speaker 27: Then I walked down.
• 20:16
  Speaker 26: The hall and to the left of the hall was
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  Speaker 26: their bedroom and that's where they were. The room was
• 20:28
  Speaker 26: covered with blood. My father was laying back on the bed.
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  Speaker 6: He was struck with a machete and he was shot
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  Speaker 6: with at twenty two. Layla was shot three times in
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  Speaker 6: the face.
• 20:51
  Speaker 27: I went to the front.
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  Speaker 26: I was screaming and my five year old was standing
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  Speaker 26: on the curb.
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  Speaker 27: To this day, I'll never forget her face. Was just.
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  Speaker 8: One day changed everybody's life forever, the trust and innocence,
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  Speaker 8: and it's all gone and it never comes back the
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  Speaker 8: same way.
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  Speaker 28: Ever.
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  Speaker 19: I can still remember going to the Capri Theater in Alpasso.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: It was in downtown and I used to go alone.
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: It does seem that about age fourteen that there were
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: glimmers of anti social behavior, being very drawn to romantic
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: gothic imagery from horror movies like vampires that break in
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  Speaker 10: in the night and prey upon an individual, and I
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: think it really started to gel into his personality.
• 22:22
  Speaker 29: See some people go to feeors to get scared, you know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 29: and beieven.
• 22:27
  Speaker 20: The prince should get home.
• 22:36
  Speaker 10: Hunting women, dismembering people. For Ramirez, these were fantasies that
• 22:40
  Speaker 10: were being played out on the screen, and then he
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: would take them home and his fantasy life would take over.
• 22:53
  Speaker 10: Ramirez began working at a local hotel doing various jobs.
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: He was learning how to heep on people, which I
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: think must have had a kind of godlike feeling for him.
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: There's an incident I think really starts to show the
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: progression into growing violence where Ramirez, using his master key,
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: goes into a room where there is a woman who
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: comes out of the bathroom. He ultimately begins to assault
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  Speaker 10: her sexually. Littleman's husband comes into the room and winds
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: up severely beating Ramirez, leading.
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  Speaker 1: To him winding up in a hospital.
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  Speaker 10: Reportedly, no charges were pressed and ultimately Ramirez got away
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  Speaker 10: with this.
• 23:48
  Speaker 17: Whatever which you wanted to do, that's it.
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  Speaker 5: By then, the police had a task force. As these
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: murders occurred, the investigators noticed similarities in the crimes. There
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: was a plethora of clues, including a pentagram that started
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: appearing at some of the crime scenes, and at the
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  Speaker 5: Conniding scene there was a bullet recovered that matched one
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  Speaker 5: of the other crime scenes.
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  Speaker 6: The same day and the Cannidings were murdered, there was
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  Speaker 6: another murder just eleven miles away in Sun Valley. In
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  Speaker 6: this case, I think spoke of a killer who demanded
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: them to hail Satan.
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  Speaker 5: The survivors described a tall, thin individual, long black, greasy hair,
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  Speaker 5: kind of bad skin and really bad teeth.
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  Speaker 1: The word was out.
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  Speaker 5: The news media even gave it a nickname.
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  Speaker 4: Officials in Los Angeles are offering a ten thousand dollars
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  Speaker 4: reward for information leading to the capture of the so
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  Speaker 4: called night Stalker. He's the sadistic killer wanted for a
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: series of murders and rapes, and.
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  Speaker 7: When he got the night Stalker, he had to live
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  Speaker 7: up to it.
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  Speaker 6: It's been more than a year since the Jenni Vincoum murder.
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  Speaker 6: In the entire region is living in fear.
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  Speaker 8: We felt that they wouldn't catch him before he killed
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  Speaker 8: a lot more people.
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  Speaker 25: The fear just consumes you.
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  Speaker 7: They asked us to look at thirty or forty cases
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: that might be put together. Child abductions, intrusions, murders, rapes,
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  Speaker 7: different types of weaponry. There seemed to be no similarities
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  Speaker 7: of victims.
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  Speaker 5: But there were similarities in the method of operation of
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  Speaker 5: going into the residence, killing the male, sexually assaulting the woman.
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  Speaker 6: Found in several of the murders was a shoe print.
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  Speaker 7: Then, of course there is the pentagrams, there's the discussion
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  Speaker 7: of Satan.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of linkages there.
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  Speaker 7: There's no doubt about.
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  Speaker 5: It, and the only question left was who wasn't.
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  Speaker 15: I came to California, I came in to live, and
• 28:02
  Speaker 15: I came looking for a pot of gold, but I
• 28:05
  Speaker 15: found a pot of iron instead.
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  Speaker 18: He didn't had a job, and people were telling me
• 28:17
  Speaker 18: that he was going through the garbage catch and eating.
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  Speaker 1: I go, no way, no way. Equally wouldn't do that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I found out that it was true.
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  Speaker 10: I think at this time Ramirez is also transient, homeless,
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: and drug use was really just ramping up more and more.
• 28:39
  Speaker 18: Pot ali, the mushrooms, coyote, and some other drugs.
• 28:50
  Speaker 15: I'd like to know your feelings about what they called
• 28:53
  Speaker 15: the Devil's stand of cocaine.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 20: Coca is extremely destabilizing, causing a diminished sense of self
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  Speaker 20: control of of once more improper urges.
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: He's basically supporting himself at a serious drug habit with
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: repeat burglary, and then ultimately I think falls in love
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: with Satanism.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Satan is a stabilizing force in my life.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: It gives me.
• 29:35
  Speaker 19: A reason to be an excuse to rationalize.
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: Ramirez clearly was searching for a structured sense of self
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: to give him personal identity, and first I think he
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: latched onto Miguel and then Satan becomes something of a
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: father figure.
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  Speaker 30: I knew he we're gonna go get himself into big trouble.
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: On August twenty fourth, the night stalker strikes again. He
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: commits crimes in Orange County, but both the victims survive.
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  Speaker 5: Right before the attack, a young boy saw the suspect
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  Speaker 5: in at Orange Toyota.
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  Speaker 6: Law enforcement was able to identify the specific car and
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: it was found dumped about three miles from where it
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: was originally stolen.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: There was a fingerprint found in the rearview mirror.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: It was a huge break in the case utilizing relatively
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: new fingerprint technology. The fingerprint was linked to a prior
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: arrest in Los Angeles for auto theft and his photograph
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  Speaker 6: was on file.
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  Speaker 5: It was a pretty good likeness of the sketch developed
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: by some of the survivors.
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  Speaker 6: The suspect was Richard Vermirez.
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  Speaker 24: And a learned is going out to all law enforcement
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  Speaker 24: agencies in the state of California and surrounding regions to
• 31:43
  Speaker 24: be on the lookout for this individual who is to
• 31:47
  Speaker 24: be considered armed and extremely dangerous, and that.
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  Speaker 18: Called moment Dad and to turn on the TV reaches
• 31:57
  Speaker 18: on TV Reachie.
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  Speaker 17: One of the nice that good. They couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 31: It was a bombshell.
• 32:10
  Speaker 25: Everybody was looking.
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  Speaker 6: Out for him, and the community at large was hunting
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  Speaker 6: for a serial killer.
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  Speaker 13: Ramirez Is photo was all over the media, both locally
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  Speaker 13: and nationally because of the number of crimes that he
• 32:42
  Speaker 13: had committed.
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: We became aware that Richard Ramirez was known to frequent
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: the terminal of the Greyhound bus line in downtown Los Angeles.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: They set up an undercover operation there where they staked
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: it out.
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: He went into a little store to buy something and
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: the people in there said it was him, and they
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: started as a whisper and then ended up a yell,
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: and then of course they called the police.
• 33:21
  Speaker 17: He got scared.
• 33:23
  Speaker 30: He got on the box and people were reading the
• 33:25
  Speaker 30: newspaper and he was sitting right there or that team
• 33:31
  Speaker 30: right there, And.
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: He went out and ran two or three miles through
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: twelve lanes of traffic, climbed the over fences.
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: And then Ramirez was in East Los Angeles when he
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: attempted to steal a car from a pregnant woman.
• 33:51
  Speaker 26: There was a mob of citizens in East l A.
• 33:55
  Speaker 26: And they went after him.
• 33:58
  Speaker 19: The guy came at me with a piece of iron
• 34:01
  Speaker 19: Mark and he hit me once over the head.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I turned around and he swung it again and.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: He hit me on the wrist.
• 34:12
  Speaker 26: They risked their own selves to go after him.
• 34:17
  Speaker 27: They did not know whether he had a weapon.
• 34:21
  Speaker 12: They were heroes, and at that point I couldn't run anymore.
• 34:26
  Speaker 15: I sat down to take a breather, and I saw
• 34:29
  Speaker 15: a Sheriff's patrol car coming down the street, and I
• 34:32
  Speaker 15: knew that, you know, my life was over.
• 35:00
  Speaker 22: So it was a hot night.
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: Ramirez is really very high on cocaine. He doesn't have
• 35:05
  Speaker 10: a place to sleep. He's just kind of driving around
• 35:07
  Speaker 10: in a stolen car.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: You know, when I was, when I was on the street,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I was a loner. I stayed to myself. I really
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: had no contact.
• 35:17
  Speaker 19: With people, you know, I didn't think about other people's
• 35:21
  Speaker 19: feelings and needs.
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: He's trying to put together enough money through his various
• 35:28
  Speaker 10: illegal activities to possibly pick up a sex worker, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: he winds up in Glasshell Park.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I you know, got a bridge or how much?
• 35:44
  Speaker 32: Right?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I still dream about it? Did you dream about it now?
• 35:47
  Speaker 16: Yeah?
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Excitement.
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: There is the trope that a vampire requires your invitation
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: to enter, and in the case of Ramirez, there was
• 36:00
  Speaker 10: the quality of interpreting things like open windows as almost
• 36:04
  Speaker 10: being inviting to him.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: And one particular home, there's a open window.
• 36:23
  Speaker 10: Ramirez enters a home and begins to rifle through the
• 36:26
  Speaker 10: things that are in the.
• 36:27
  Speaker 20: Home, But there appeared not to be very much that
• 36:32
  Speaker 20: he could steal. It may have angered him.
• 36:38
  Speaker 10: And in that moment you have somebody who was looking
• 36:42
  Speaker 10: for an outlet for aggression and sexual excitement earlier in
• 36:46
  Speaker 10: that evening and didn't have it, and he encounters the
• 36:49
  Speaker 10: sleeping victim kind of opportunistically.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: For some it is the very.
• 36:56
  Speaker 15: Act of killing another human being that is sexual.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Well, lest I guess you could say.
• 37:06
  Speaker 10: At this point, you know, he's in a soup of
• 37:08
  Speaker 10: different things that have been present since he was young,
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: This attraction towards gore and violence, the use of drugs.
• 37:22
  Speaker 20: From the father's male treatment, the witnessing of his own
• 37:27
  Speaker 20: cousin killing his wife for a trivial reason. The tendency
• 37:32
  Speaker 20: to psychopathy is multiplying.
• 37:37
  Speaker 15: Serial killers and killers have the advantage in that they
• 37:41
  Speaker 15: use the element of surprise, of darkness and such things.
• 37:46
  Speaker 15: Is the serial killers and most killers in general have
• 38:08
  Speaker 15: a did conscience, no morals, no scruples.
• 38:13
  Speaker 19: Some of them don't even care whether they live or
• 38:16
  Speaker 19: die themselves, and.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: They're just walking down.
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: He's now broken in to get money. Here he finds
• 38:30
  Speaker 10: this sleeping victim, Jenny vincoun.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Imagine somebody.
• 38:36
  Speaker 10: Bristling with hostility, who would really think of you only
• 38:41
  Speaker 10: in terms of help.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: They could take advantage of you, make use of you.
• 38:47
  Speaker 10: And he finds a knife there in the apartment, and
• 38:50
  Speaker 10: then winds up exploding into a kind of a frenzy
• 38:53
  Speaker 10: of violence.
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: Does anythink out, even at seventy nine years old, tried
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: to fend off her attacker. She was doing everything she
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: could to save her own life.
• 39:06
  Speaker 10: Where Mira's winds of butchering Jenny Bincow, she was really
• 39:11
  Speaker 10: ultimately mutilated by him. He probably had a kind of orgasmic,
• 39:26
  Speaker 10: sexualized thrill from the entire frenzy, And I think would
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: have been left with a feeling of control, power, domination,
• 39:35
  Speaker 10: feeling on.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Top of the world.
• 39:38
  Speaker 17: A serial killer is kind of in a frenzy, and.
• 39:45
  Speaker 19: And by the time it's over and done with, he'll
• 39:48
  Speaker 19: reflect back on it and wish it had lasted longer.
• 40:04
  Speaker 22: It was a really long trial.
• 40:06
  Speaker 21: Yeah, it just seemed like a circus.
• 40:10
  Speaker 26: He made faces, he made hand gestures. But when I testified,
• 40:16
  Speaker 26: I looked him straight in the eyes and he just
• 40:19
  Speaker 26: put his head down. He's nothing more than a coward.
• 40:47
  Speaker 26: That was what we wanted. We wanted him put to death.
• 40:51
  Speaker 26: Justice will never ever really be done, but justice was
• 40:56
  Speaker 26: done to the extent that it could be.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: He didn't care who He didn't care when he just
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: played God rather than Satan and decided who lived.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: And who died.
• 41:12
  Speaker 20: He's a psychopath, partly because of the heroded tendencies, coupled
• 41:18
  Speaker 20: with the brutalization by the father, coupled with the drug abuse.
• 41:23
  Speaker 20: And he witnessed his cousin, you know, killing his wife.
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: His cousin pillaged and killed in Vietnam and small villages
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: probably and got away with it. For Richard, his villages
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: were the bedrooms on the ground floors of houses that
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: left their doors and windows open. He probably thought Miguel
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: would be proud of him.
• 42:01
  Speaker 8: I have a tremendous amount of anger with regard to
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: how society glorifies serial killers. How I guarantee you there
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: won't be too many people that know the name of victims,
• 42:18
  Speaker 8: but they'll know the name of the killer.
• 42:23
  Speaker 21: It's hard to have faith when you've lost so much.
• 42:26
  Speaker 21: I just try to live.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Remember the good things.
• 42:31
  Speaker 26: Do I forgiving. I will never forgiving. He took my parents.
• 42:39
  Speaker 25: They were the light, they were the glue.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: They were.
• 42:43
  Speaker 25: Thank god I had them for the nineteen years I
• 42:45
  Speaker 25: had them.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: That was a gift.
• 43:05
  Speaker 28: They knew they had a monster, and they let him go.
• 43:10
  Speaker 28: They had not only listened to me.
• 43:18
  Speaker 33: Anthony Soul's home is being called the House of horrors.
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: This house is the scene of horrific crimes, some wrapped
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: in blankets, some buried in the basement.
• 43:31
  Speaker 12: That was the smell of death, the smell of a
• 43:34
  Speaker 12: dead body.
• 43:36
  Speaker 34: Oh my god, could this be where she has been
• 43:41
  Speaker 34: for the last year.
• 43:43
  Speaker 35: People don't just disappear.
• 43:51
  Speaker 12: They're not runaways. These are women that are mothers.
• 43:55
  Speaker 29: Do we have a mass murderer, someone that likes to
• 43:59
  Speaker 29: kidnap and torture.
• 44:01
  Speaker 36: Nobody was saying got a serial killer. They had no idea.
• 44:14
  Speaker 25: He begins raping by the time he's eleven. They taught
• 44:17
  Speaker 25: him how to kill.
• 44:20
  Speaker 37: He didn't know how to turn it off. O, my baby,
• 44:30
  Speaker 37: somebody answered.
• 44:31
  Speaker 29: Me, how could this happen? You've heard of the stories
• 44:59
  Speaker 29: of massa.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 45:02
  Speaker 29: The John Wayne Gacys and the David Koreshism and those
• 45:06
  Speaker 29: You've heard of those things, but when it hits home,
• 45:10
  Speaker 29: there's a different sound.
• 45:13
  Speaker 38: How could this happen in our community?
• 45:31
  Speaker 12: Crystal Joser was a thirty five year old mother of seven.
• 45:37
  Speaker 12: She was a caretaker and a nurturer.
• 45:42
  Speaker 39: Me and Chrystma's birthday was the same day.
• 45:46
  Speaker 40: Christy used to buy me and her outpuit together are
• 45:49
  Speaker 40: the same and we go out and we eat, drink
• 45:52
  Speaker 40: and be me like to celebrate our birthday.
• 45:56
  Speaker 25: Me and her was.
• 45:59
  Speaker 22: Like this, We was like this.
• 46:02
  Speaker 40: That was my pardon.
• 46:14
  Speaker 25: I look for my child.
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: Where he would go?
• 46:17
  Speaker 40: I called them friends nothing.
• 46:22
  Speaker 22: I called the hospitals.
• 46:25
  Speaker 39: She was in none of them, and they said just
• 46:31
  Speaker 39: keep going back.
• 46:39
  Speaker 16: At that time, the procedure was you could make a
• 46:43
  Speaker 16: missing person's report for an adult person, but there may
• 46:48
  Speaker 16: not be a search for that person.
• 46:52
  Speaker 41: A lot of the time of person don't want to
• 46:56
  Speaker 41: be found.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: They're on their own, they're doing their own things.
• 47:01
  Speaker 16: Those persons are free to go as they please.
• 47:06
  Speaker 40: It's hard as a mother.
• 47:10
  Speaker 39: It hurt me so big because when you first feel
• 47:13
  Speaker 39: the movement in your body, you first feel their first too.
• 47:17
  Speaker 25: You have to understand how that feels. From that point,
• 47:23
  Speaker 25: it hurt me to my soul.
• 47:28
  Speaker 12: Crystal had a history of domestic violence, and she also
• 47:34
  Speaker 12: had a drug problem, perhaps to escape this domestic violence situation,
• 47:41
  Speaker 12: but at the time of her disappearance, she was actually
• 47:45
  Speaker 12: on the road to recovery. Law enforcement may not have
• 47:49
  Speaker 12: taken Crystal's case seriously because she is a known drug
• 47:54
  Speaker 12: user and she's frequenting the Mount Pleasant area, which is
• 47:58
  Speaker 12: known as a place for people to go to get drugs.
• 48:11
  Speaker 39: That's my daughter, my heart and my soul. What happened
• 48:16
  Speaker 39: with my child? Who duke my baby?
• 48:21
  Speaker 40: Somebody answered me.
• 48:52
  Speaker 12: Anthony Soul grew up in East Cleveland during a time
• 48:56
  Speaker 12: when it was predominantly a middle class African American community.
• 49:03
  Speaker 12: He was raised by his mother and grandmother.
• 49:09
  Speaker 42: Growing up, it was myself, my brother Anthony Sowell, and
• 49:13
  Speaker 42: my oldest brother. Anthony did a lot of school functions.
• 49:19
  Speaker 42: He loved going to school because he played baseball, He boxed.
• 49:26
  Speaker 27: He also played chess and painted.
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: Oh Love Jesus. I like chall everything quite good the
• 49:35
  Speaker 9: day by the constant brother teachers of parents. I remember
• 49:39
  Speaker 9: one twinkle twinkle starter.
• 49:45
  Speaker 42: Anthony was very sensitive. I remember Anthony's head. When we
• 49:50
  Speaker 42: were growing up. I just feel like MA didn't tell
• 49:54
  Speaker 42: me I love you enough. The children were acting out
• 50:06
  Speaker 42: in different ways. The twins set the house on fire
• 50:11
  Speaker 42: three times. It's very traumatic, especially with a lot of
• 50:17
  Speaker 42: children in the home.
• 50:20
  Speaker 25: My mother had just had it.
• 50:22
  Speaker 9: I had a childhood. I just constantly yelling and screaming.
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: I mean, they are you know my mind? They are
• 50:31
  Speaker 9: you know? Were kids in treating different or they was
• 50:35
  Speaker 9: yelling at the kids. It was a lack of warn there.
• 50:41
  Speaker 12: His mother and grandmother. They would met out corporal punishment,
• 50:46
  Speaker 12: especially to the girls, and the most what we wouldn't
• 50:50
  Speaker 12: consider today, very cruel and unusual.
• 50:52
  Speaker 25: Way dirty dishes, stove and washed off.
• 50:57
  Speaker 17: We would get a beat.
• 50:59
  Speaker 43: The boys would get here, but they didn't get a
• 51:01
  Speaker 43: whooping as much as the girls did. She started tying
• 51:06
  Speaker 43: us up to the pole on the stairs, just the
• 51:09
  Speaker 43: girls stripping us butt decade and she will whoop us. Anthony,
• 51:15
  Speaker 43: he will watch when we get beaten.
• 51:20
  Speaker 9: He's going through puberty.
• 51:21
  Speaker 44: It's possible that this violence and his sexuality become fused
• 51:26
  Speaker 44: at this point.
• 51:28
  Speaker 43: I was ten and he was eleven. Anthony, all of
• 51:34
  Speaker 43: a sudden, he just tell me go upstairs, and I
• 51:38
  Speaker 43: went upstairs and he raped me, and then it just
• 51:47
  Speaker 43: started happening on a daily base.
• 51:52
  Speaker 44: He begins raping by the time he's eleven. These fantasies
• 51:57
  Speaker 44: must have been there prior. Sexual sadis often begin fantasizing
• 52:04
  Speaker 44: about hurting other people during young childhood.
• 52:09
  Speaker 12: You never got punished for what he did to me.
• 52:14
  Speaker 31: Anthony was evil.
• 52:32
  Speaker 12: After Crystal's family filed a missing person's report, they put
• 52:36
  Speaker 12: out flyers they canvas neighborhoods, but got very little support
• 52:43
  Speaker 12: from the police. From law enforcement's perspective, she may have
• 52:48
  Speaker 12: odd because she's a drug user.
• 53:00
  Speaker 29: There was a lot of complaints about a foul stitch
• 53:03
  Speaker 29: in that area of one hundred and twenty third in.
• 53:05
  Speaker 41: Imperial one two three in Imperial. It's a full way intersection.
• 53:14
  Speaker 41: One corner. You have a neighborhood store. Across from that
• 53:20
  Speaker 41: is a sausage factory.
• 53:23
  Speaker 36: The health department checked out the sausage place, but I've
• 53:27
  Speaker 36: never cited the sausage place for being the source of
• 53:29
  Speaker 36: the smell.
• 53:31
  Speaker 12: It starts to get progressively worse. The residents said it
• 53:36
  Speaker 12: was the smell of death, the smell of a dead body.
• 53:54
  Speaker 12: A year after Crystal Doser's disappearance. We have another woman
• 54:01
  Speaker 12: going missing and then another. A pattern is starting to emerge.
• 54:09
  Speaker 12: Women are starting to go missing in the Mount Pleasant neighborhood.
• 54:17
  Speaker 12: They're not runaways. These are women that are mothers that
• 54:23
  Speaker 12: have jobs.
• 54:25
  Speaker 17: You would think that a red flag would go up.
• 54:28
  Speaker 29: Do we have a mass murdered, someone that likes to
• 54:32
  Speaker 29: kidnap and torture. Someone should have been doing some special investigation.
• 54:39
  Speaker 12: But there's nothing in the news about these missing women.
• 54:44
  Speaker 12: Police aren't telling women in the area to take extra precautions.
• 54:56
  Speaker 12: This mysterious smell is getting stronger and strong.
• 55:03
  Speaker 16: The city inspectors came up with the conclusion that Gray
• 55:08
  Speaker 16: Sausage had an issue with the grease trap.
• 55:12
  Speaker 41: He invested two hundred and three hundred some thousand dollars
• 55:17
  Speaker 41: cleaning his traps and the filtration system, but the smell
• 55:21
  Speaker 41: was still there.
• 55:32
  Speaker 25: My mom was.
• 55:36
  Speaker 17: Oh.
• 55:36
  Speaker 34: Her personality was so mighty strong, determined, fun, energetic, loving,
• 55:44
  Speaker 34: multi talented, spiritual, single mother of two girls and a boy.
• 55:51
  Speaker 34: Were two jobs, vacations, we went on water parts skating.
• 55:59
  Speaker 34: There's nothing that our childhood lacked, absolutely nothing. There was
• 56:07
  Speaker 34: not a day that my mother didn't reach out to
• 56:09
  Speaker 34: somebody in the family. The last day that we saw
• 56:14
  Speaker 34: her was November tenth, two thousand and eight. My mother
• 56:19
  Speaker 34: had a cell phone. No answer to cell phone.
• 56:24
  Speaker 25: Next day, no answer.
• 56:28
  Speaker 9: We go over to the apartment.
• 56:31
  Speaker 25: She's not there.
• 56:32
  Speaker 34: Now it is going on forty eight hours. I'm fearful
• 56:37
  Speaker 34: that something terrible has happened to her. We went to
• 56:42
  Speaker 34: the Warrensville Heights Police department. We get the speech that
• 56:46
  Speaker 34: adults have the right to go missing.
• 56:49
  Speaker 9: But where is she?
• 56:52
  Speaker 25: People don't just disappear.
• 57:18
  Speaker 42: Anthony went straight from high school straight into the marine.
• 57:23
  Speaker 9: That's hard of my grandmother and my mother. So I
• 57:26
  Speaker 9: joined the Marines. I was relisted with the army first,
• 57:30
  Speaker 9: but I heard the Marines from tower.
• 57:35
  Speaker 42: He liked that fact that it was harder and it
• 57:39
  Speaker 42: was more manlier to him.
• 57:41
  Speaker 27: In his mind, this manlier.
• 57:48
  Speaker 44: It gives him this regimented lifestyle, and he's great at it,
• 57:54
  Speaker 44: and he becomes what's called the ornerment. He's top of
• 57:57
  Speaker 44: his class graduation. He wrote to his mother to tell
• 58:02
  Speaker 44: her of his accomplishment, and she never responded, and he
• 58:08
  Speaker 44: begins to develop a real resentment toward women, which ultimately
• 58:12
  Speaker 44: blossoms into an anger and a rage toward them.
• 58:18
  Speaker 42: He had got real, real aggressive. They taught him how
• 58:23
  Speaker 42: to kill, and he didn't know how to turn it off.
• 58:29
  Speaker 44: He was struggling with anger. He was visiting strip clubs
• 58:33
  Speaker 44: and frequenting brothels. He would brag that he was gagging
• 58:39
  Speaker 44: and binding women and choking them during this time. So
• 58:43
  Speaker 44: we see this mo starting to develop.
• 59:04
  Speaker 34: At the third day, we were trying to file a
• 59:08
  Speaker 34: missing person's report and they see she has a small
• 59:13
  Speaker 34: non vial a criminal record, and they're like, oh, you know.
• 59:17
  Speaker 25: She uses drugs.
• 59:20
  Speaker 45: I didn't ask you that. I'm trying to file a
• 59:24
  Speaker 45: missing person's report.
• 59:29
  Speaker 34: You go into natural instincts, which is I'll conduct my
• 59:33
  Speaker 34: own search. My mother frequents this Mount Pleasant area when
• 59:39
  Speaker 34: she's out using. We passed out missing persons flyers to
• 59:45
  Speaker 34: the convenience store, to the gas station, to the mom
• 59:48
  Speaker 34: and pop's fast food restaurant.
• 59:51
  Speaker 25: But we haven't seen her.
• 59:53
  Speaker 34: Nobody knows what happened. We were going one up in
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 34: city's abandoned houses that were boarded up. We were ripped
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 34: in a plopped wood or right off the front door.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 34: That's a property where a body could be. You don't
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 34: want to be looking for remains, but you can't put
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 34: that out of your mind.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 12: In Mount Pleasant, they have an epidemic going up, several
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 12: African American women going missing, one after the other. We've
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 12: also seen this increase in odor that is permeating this neighborhood.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 12: And there is absolutely no connection being made between the two.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 34: Thanksgiving no mommy, and Thanksgiving.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 27: Was her favorite holiday.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 34: Let alone, Christmas no mommy, New Year's no mommy, February
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 34: no mommy, March, April, May, June.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 9: But if you have to have.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 45: Hope, the search never ended. We never stopped searching.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 44: After Soul returned from the Marines, people who knew him
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 44: said he was just different.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 12: He's unhappy.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 46: I know everybody's gonna make me out to be evil,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 46: but it's like every time I go out my dog,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 46: somebody used this.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Somebody needs that. I help everybody.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 28: That day, I was trying to see my oldest daughter
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 28: and I started having car problems. I see a guy
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 28: that was across the street, so I'm like, hey, you
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 28: got a phone I can use. He's like, I just
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 28: lived right up the street and we'd go in the house.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 28: Then he was like, let's go upstairs. I don't want
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 28: to buy my sister. When I get up there, I said,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 28: you're gonna get the phone.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 47: He was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 28: It's the last thing I'm thinking. He gonna pull something stupid.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 28: Because it's still daylight outside his sister downstairs.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 17: I can hear him.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 25: Locking the door.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 47: He came from behind. He had a knife this long,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 47: and then put it up under here, and I'm like,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 47: oh lord.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 28: He tied my hands and my feet, and it's the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 28: night and day turned in the.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 22: Night and day. I just said the blood of Jesus.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 28: After maybe a total of two or three days, if
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 28: I had to guess, because it seemed like eternity. His
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 28: words to me was, sail press, I'm gonna feed you.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 22: Then I'm gonna kill you.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 47: I'm going out that window, going I'll be dead.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 28: So then I started itching, pushing myself to that window,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 28: and then.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 22: I rolled out the window.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 48: I didn't care if I broke every bone in my body,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 48: but there was a ledge.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 27: The police pulled me back in the room.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: So once I'm back through the window.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 22: I see he's still sleep. He looked like the devil.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 44: We can never know how an mo of any rapist
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 44: is developed, but certainly the binding and total control overhew.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 44: That sock well, hearkens back to what he saw in
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 44: childhood with Leona being beaten.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 28: They knew they had a monster, and they let him go.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 28: If they only had a listen to.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 12: Me, you can see the escalation and a number of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 12: women disappearing from two thousand and seven to two thousand
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 12: and nine, now eleven women are missing.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 36: Still, even at that point, nobody was going into it
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 36: saying got a serial killer.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: They had no idea.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 36: None of these women had even been on the news
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 36: as a missing person. Nobody knew any of these women
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 36: were connected.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 39: My pictures, so all I got to remember her bath.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 17: Looking at the pictures.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 25: You have no answers.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 45: It was never a time where we didn't want to answer.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 36: Crystal's family, Tanya's family, other families never gave up because
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 36: they wanted to know and they wanted to rescue their daughter,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 36: their sister, their mother, if they could do whatever they
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 36: could to bring them home. A woman came forward saying
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 36: that a man had tried to kill her and sexually
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 36: assaulted her. Then a house on Imperial Avenue in Mount Pleasant.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 12: Turns out it is a woman that is very much
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 12: like the victims that have vanished. That actually breaks this
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 12: case wide open. From this small communities perspective, in Mount Pleasant,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 12: they have women that are missing over the span of
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 12: two years. There are no additional resources to help this
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 12: community try to figure out what is happening. La Tundra billups.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 12: She has a lot of friends in the Mount Pleasant neighborhood.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 12: One resident invited her back to his house for drinks.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 12: This is someone that she has said hi to on
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 12: the street. She didn't feel like she was in any danger.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 41: They started getting high. Once he started taking those drugs,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 41: he snap.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 12: He flipped her when he punched her in the face,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 12: and he raped her and he began to put a
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 12: literature on her to choke her. She passed out and
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 12: when she regained consciousness, she really began to realize that
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 12: she might not get out of the situation alive. And
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 12: it worked. He walks her to the door and she's like, yeah,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 12: I'll see you later, But.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 16: Instead she fouled a complaint against him to the police
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 16: for kidnapping and rape. She named this person is Anthony
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 16: so Well, and she gave.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 12: The address of one two two five Imperial Avenue in
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 12: the Mount Pleasant neighborhood.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 42: He was doing really, really well when he got out
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 42: of prison, and he had a good job. He met
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 42: this new girlfriend, and I noted that he was a
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 42: little more upbeat.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 12: In that evaluation.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 44: He is classified as a lower risk offender and he's
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 44: only required to register as a sex offender and checking
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 44: once a year.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 42: He was doing everything he was supposed to do, going
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 42: to his meetings, but his girlfriend was addicted to cocaine crack.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 42: But I noticed that he started to get in high.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 35: Some people just come by, you know, sitting there talking,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 35: buying me beer. Then we sit there and kick it
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 35: and talk.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 25: He's drinking more, he's using crack.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 44: He's becoming unstable now he's addicted.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 42: But his girlfriend, she started getting better.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 44: Ultimately she decides she wants to move out. In his mind,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 44: his perception is I did so much for you, and
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 44: you abandoned me.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 25: You used me, And now he's really angry.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 35: I love her and I helped her, and my girlfriend
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 35: broke up.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: I just broke down.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 44: Repeatedly, he talks about women using him, women leaving him,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 44: and not appreciating him. So what would later say all
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 44: of the women that he victimized reminded him of her.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 44: He felt that they needed to pay, that she needed
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 44: to pay.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 42: If you put the pieces of the puzzle together, I
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 42: think collectively, this is what brought him to the point
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 42: of no return.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 44: He's without a girlfriend, he's angry, and he begins to
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 44: devolve to become a serial killer.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 12: No one's making the connection between the number of missing
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 12: women from the Mountain Pleasant neighborhood until we meet Latona billups.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 34: Her.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 16: Following this police report for rape and for Lonza saught
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 16: and kidnapping, it kicked things off to the investigation to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 16: Anthony so Well. Upon arriving to that house, you could
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 16: smell the stinch right away. They secured the first floor,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 16: it was vacant, and then they proceeded to the second floor,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 16: it was also unoccupied. Upon arriving on the third floor,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 16: they recognized that someone was living there. Anthony so Well
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 16: was not there. The soft bedroom was locked. Once they
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 16: broke the door, it was dark, the stens was strong.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 16: There were flies naggats everywhere, and they discovered two decomposed
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 16: bodies lying on the floor in that bedroom.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 41: The swat unit went to one twenty two or five
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 41: minute period. No Anthony Soul in the home, but two
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 41: decomposed bodies.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 16: Whoever was responsible had to have no feeling toward a
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 16: human being whatsoever to he was sitting on the floor.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 41: The bodies were almost skeletal.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 17: You could tell both were black females.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 16: So the next question, of course, are there more?
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 41: I went downstairs to the basement behind the stairwell, there
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 41: was a howl of dirt.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 16: The more we dig, the stronger the smell gets. We
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 16: knew that had to be a grave. We are able
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 16: to uncover the entire body. This was a female as well.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 16: This is becoming more bizarre, more macabre.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 33: Anthony Soul's home is being called the House of Whorors.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: This house is the scene of horrific crimes.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 36: Police immediately put the muck shot out, hoping that somebody
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 36: might see him. It was NonStop everywhere you looked. Anthony
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 36: Sowell's picture.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 49: Inside this home on the city's east side, police found
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 49: the bodies of six women, some wrapped in blankets, some
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 49: buried in the basement.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 36: Police find the bodies all over the house, all over
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 36: the property. You had a couple of bodies upstairs, just
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 36: out in the open in a bedroom. You had a
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 36: skull in a bucket in the basement. You had other
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 36: bodies in the house, and then you had more in
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 36: the backyard.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 50: In Cleveland, today, FBI agents again dug through the backyard
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 50: of suspected serial killer Anthony Soo. So far, the remains
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 50: of eleven women have been found inside and outside his home.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 17: It was like a gas in the community.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 22: Eleven bodies in one home.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 34: We see the news now it's like, oh my god,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 34: could this be where she has been for the last year.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 34: This is the same neighborhood where she went missing. There
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 34: are so many people coming out because they have a
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 34: missing loved one.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 29: How could this happen in our city, in our community,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 29: on our street.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 41: Now he's off the street, so society of relief, But
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 41: still we didn't know if he was gonna talk to us.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 51: Can we honestly say that the bodies that that we
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 51: found in the house most are from people that you
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 51: met in that area.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: You didn't go far.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 35: That's the state of mouth at there.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 16: We interviewed Anthony Sower ten or twelve hours.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 51: And as far as the body in the basement, you
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 51: have no recollection of how it got dollar or why.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: Your arms will be bound.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: The hands will be bound.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 35: I guess I did that too.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 9: You know, why would you say you guess you did
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 9: that too?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Does no no ask?
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 41: Did you have to keep your composure? This guy is
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 41: a monster. He's a he's a stone killer.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 9: It was a dream of.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 35: Something had ideal, That's what dream.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 17: And so we asked him what was your dreams about?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 41: Sure enough he said his dreams he was hurting people
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 41: with his hands.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 9: I was this feeling sad and lonely and stuff all
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 9: the time, moves LANs. It is this I can't even explain.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 17: At this point.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 12: He's drinking more, he's using crack.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 17: He is angry, angry, angry.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 16: He met her one evening and enticed her with wanting
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 16: to get high. She went back to his place.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: You remember what happened, right, Yeah, it was like a dream.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 35: Try to start anything I hate honest, No, it's just
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 35: supposed to do.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 16: After getting high, she realized this is not a nice guy.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 16: This is a monster.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 41: Anthony Soul would lure his victims in with conversation and
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 41: what I call props, props meaning beer, crack, cocaine.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 12: For Crystal Doser, what may have happened is that you know,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 12: she had her guard down because she expected the chill
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 12: and relax and have a good time.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 41: And then bam, he would change, since the meeting would change.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 35: Flack House, those Stone members like told me or something.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: I just don't know.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: That part is.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 12: In her mind. She is hanging out with someone that
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 12: she knows, but she's met with a punch in the face,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 12: a rape, a brutal assault from which she wasn't able
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 12: to escape.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 44: Soul tied her ankles with cable and a knotted cloth
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 44: around her neck.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 35: She was choked with this.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 12: The last few moments of her life, beyond the betrayal
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 12: and the pain and just the terror of what's happening
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 12: to her have to be unreal.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 22: She died of ligature strangulation.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 17: I just possibrating that.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: I just sue my gosh. Yeah, I was angry.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 16: I was sad. She buried these women and you dis
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 16: guarded their bodies like a piece of garbage.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 44: Most sexual say this have a particular fantasy in mind.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 44: The details of how Crystal was found are remarkably similar
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 44: to what happened in nineteen eighty nine with Now that's sock. Well,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 44: there's a binding, there's a gagging, there's complete control over
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 44: the victim. This becomes the mo of Anthony Saul.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 45: My telephone rings.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 34: It's my grandmother and she's telling me that they had
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 34: come to her home to notify her that her daughter,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 34: Tya Carmichael remains have been positively identified. That's where your
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 34: heart breaks. But what I do know is God brought
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 34: her home.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 39: It hurt me so big that one man would tell you,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 39: but it was also relief. Nanui wit, but I good
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 39: say goodbye to That's one of the things that broke
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 39: me so bad that I'm trying about this to get over.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 17: That was my chile.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 44: It's very normal to wonder what causes somebody to become
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 44: a serial killer. Was it the abuse they suffered in childhood?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 44: Was it being rejected by girlfriends? The fact of the
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 44: matter is it's not about abuse. There's no causal relationship there.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 12: He specifically picked middle aged women who were mothers, and
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 12: in some way maybe these women were proxy for the
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 12: people that Anthony wanted to punish, his mother or his
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 12: ex loves.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 29: These were mothers, these were daughters, these were sisters, these
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 29: were family members.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 17: They're human beings.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 28: Nobody has the right to take nobody's life. And the
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 28: things that he did to those women. If I don't
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 28: stay mindful, I'll be right back there. You're looking at
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 28: a walking, breathing, living miracle, because I could be dead.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 14: I was dreaming, thinking, fantasizing murder all day long.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: I couldn't get it out of my head.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 31: He was the co ed killer. Taking the head off
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 31: was his idea of ultimate control over women.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 10: Ed Kemper was fifteen years old. It was a ticking
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 10: time bomb.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 52: He said that if the knife wouldn't have broke, he
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 52: would have never stopped stabbing.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 22: These young women who were hitchhiking.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 10: Sexual assault, mutilation, butchery.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 25: It really hit home.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 27: It happened right on her own campus.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 52: He was mad at everybody that rejected him.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 53: I had a real bad problem depriving people of their lives.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 49: Two hikers were walking their dog up in Lima Prieta,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 49: which is way up in the Santa Cruz Mountains, the
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 49: highest point in the county. They came across what looked
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 49: to be a skull. The reality of finding something like
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 49: that it can be a very upsetting situation.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 54: So a call came in to the Sheriff's office from
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 54: two hikers. We drive up on top of this mountain
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 54: tops at this point we don't even know if it's
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 54: a crime scene, but we're sketching, we're photographing, we're picking
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 54: up samples of everything.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 49: They went searching and digging and seeing if there was
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 49: any area under the trees that were dug up or
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 49: anything looks suspicious.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 14: Do you have any idea how large the area to
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 14: be searched is.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 32: We got roughly about a square mile at minimum.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 54: We were trying to search for anything that doesn't belong
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 54: in the dirt, but we find no other body parts.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 54: We brought these skull back to the sheriff's office and
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 54: try to identify the remains. When we found out the
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 54: school belongs to a woman, a young woman, a teenager
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 54: to early twenties. So is this a guy that killed
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 54: his wife? Boyfriend kills a girlfriend? And why did somebody
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 54: take the time to cut a head off in the
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 54: first place.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 14: I had an upbringing that was some have called dysfunctional.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 14: The whole home life I watched to deteriorate. I was
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 14: seven and a half eight years old. My parents divorced,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 14: my mother's working to raise three kids. We lived in
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 14: a house where there was a basement, and at a
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 14: certain time of the evening, my sisters would go up
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 14: to bed upstairs, where I used to go to bed upstairs,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 14: I had to go down to the basement.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Just think of every creepy basement you've seen in every
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: horror movie, and that's where I had had to live.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 14: I walked into complete darkness with his pipes and wheezing
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 14: and banging over my head. You know, the rattles, the
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 14: weird sounds in the night that can be spooky to
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 14: a kid, And I've got this horrible terror going on
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 14: inside of me.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: My imagination was vivid.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 52: I was studying forensic psychology in college, so I wrote him,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 52: and anybody that knows Kemper knows he likes to talk.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 52: I had close to eighty hours of interviews and several
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 52: years correspondence through the mail. He said, the isolation in
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 52: the basement is when his fantasies really really started to evolve.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 52: Always scared that the devil was going to come out
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 52: of the furnace.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 31: Kemper was the middle child, the only boy. His mother
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 31: thought Ed should not be sharing a room with his sisters,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 31: so it made sense to her to put him in
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 31: the basement. Ed presents this living arrangement as sort of
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 31: a brutal thing for his mother to do because it
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 31: scared him so much. But she thought Ed was awkward
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 31: and timid, and so she wanted to toughen him up
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 31: and also give him a little more independence as a boy.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 10: From the beginning, you had a kind of volatile relationship
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 10: between his mother and his father. I think it was
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 10: a very destabilizing time for him, and his mother became
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 10: the focus in his particular narrative of all of his
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 10: anger and feelings of rejection.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 31: His father was six foot eight, his mother was six
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 31: feet tall. They both yelled, but the home was dominated
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 31: really by D's mother.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 10: If we're talking about ed Kemper's formative years, he probably
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 10: saw a father who was using avoidance and being out
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 10: of the home as a way of dealing with that stress.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 52: When they got divorced, Edmund felt neglected. His dad would
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 52: say he was going to show up and pick him
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 52: up and not show up.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 14: There was a great hole in my life, and I
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 14: started becoming fascinated with things evolving around death and destruction
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 14: and evil and all of that. When I was about
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 14: eight or nine years old, I went to a magic show.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: There was a traveling show where they had the Guillotine
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: Act where they took a young girl out of the audience,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: they put her head in the guillotine. They made it
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: look like they chopped it off, and everybody was horrified,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: and Ed was thrilled.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 14: Right at that moment, I departed reality because logically I
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 14: should have been able to ascertain that that could not happen.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: You're not going to get away with chopping somebody's head off.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: But the concept of it was so law and it
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: was titillating.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 14: I says, wow, and that got caught up in my
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 14: morbid fascination.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 31: He had issues with wanting to dominate and control people,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 31: and in his mind, taking the head off and possessing
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 31: it was his idea of ultimate control over women.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 10: It was in that darkness that it begins to really
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 10: formulate the fantasy of ultimately killing.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 49: There's a feeling that exists in Santa Cruz that were
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 49: some special place. Whatever horrible thing is happening in the world,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 49: it's not going to happen here. Well, it does happen here.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 49: It was my very first day of work. I walked
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 49: into the Sheriff's office and they said the news of
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 49: the day was that they had identified the woman whose
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 49: skull was found up in the mountain.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 54: The school was identified as mary Ann Peshe.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 22: Eighteen years old.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 54: Mary Anne Pesh and Anita Lucassa were students at Fresno
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 54: State University.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: Mary Anne Pesh was happy, go lucky. Teachers liked her,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: very upbeat, very adventurous girl. Nita Lukesha is an eighteen
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: year old college freshman. She was very popular on the
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: campus and she was very close to her family.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 32: On May seventh, nineteen seventy two, to Fresno State College
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 32: co eds, we hitchhiking a ride from here in Berkeley.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 54: Mary Anne passion Anita Lucasa had traveled to Berkeley, California
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 54: to see some friends.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 32: They both had the money for the bus, yet they
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 32: preferred hitchhiking because, as mary Anne said, you meet such
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 32: interesting people.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 54: This was a time when there were lots of people
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 54: hitch hiking. People were freely getting in cars.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 14: Is there a mistake in hitchhiking or something that you
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 14: really get attack to Yeah, mad.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 49: Pre police put together a story of what had probably happened,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 49: that they had been kidnapped and apparently murdered.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 54: We hope and pray that Anita Lucasa is still alive,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 54: but we thought there was another body we hadn't found yet.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 54: A call comes to the Santa Cruz Cheriff's department.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 49: Cynthia shaw was a real college student.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 54: They said she had gone to school but had not returned.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 22: They of course got worried.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 49: The Santa Cruz investigators talked to a lot of people
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 49: who knew Cynthia shaw Was she in trouble with anybody?
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 49: Was there any reason for her to flee?
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 17: And there wasn't, But they did say she was known
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 17: to hitchhike.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 55: Cynthia and Shawl was last seen as she left her
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 55: Santa Cruz home, saying she intended to hitchhike to classes
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 55: at Gabrill College.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: But there's no clue to her whereabouts.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 54: Cynthia Shawl really hits home in Santa Cruz County because
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 54: she lives in a little seaside community called Capitola.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 22: And that's right here.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 54: People in the area are hyper aware of the frantic
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 54: search for her.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 55: The grizzly story began in this cove.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: The upper part of a girl's torso.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 55: Washed up on this beach, two miles north of the
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 55: Santa Cruz Pier. Then a hand was found two days
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 55: later by a surfer who was in the water near Capitola,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 55: seven miles to the southeast.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 54: These are very almost expertly severed pieces of body.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 49: Very soon after that, other body parts were found. A
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 49: head was not found.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 54: However, we were able to positively id those body parts
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 54: from fingerprints and from X rays.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: We have established beyond any reasonable and questionable doubt that
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: the remains found are the remains of the missing person
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: in our community.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: This is Cynthia Anshaw. Correct.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 46: I was stunned. My wife and I had three little kids,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 46: and we had arranged her to babysit occasionally for us.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 46: Remembering her face, remembering her watching my children. You know,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 46: these things are going to my mind.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 54: We have a local girl murdered and cut to pieces.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 54: So you can imagine now the anxiety of what was
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 54: going on in Santa Cruz County.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 33: I do remember when body parts started washing up.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 17: On the shore, and it is.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 25: Really freaky.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 33: It's just very unsettling to know that whoever is doing
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 33: this is still out there.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 55: The residents of this area understandably are edgy. It was
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 55: just six months ago that a human head was found
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 55: in the hills not too far from here, and The
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 55: details of that murder still are a mystery.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 14: When I was fourteen years old, I ran away from
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 14: my mother. I wanted to be with my father, and
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 14: I wanted to get away from my mother because I
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 14: was dreaming, thinking, fantasizing.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: Murder all day long. I couldn't get it out of
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: my head.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 10: An important part of the life of many serial killers.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: There's fantasy.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 10: There's a kind of brooding about what life could have
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 10: been like if it weren't for factor X. Anytime had
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 10: Kemper felt resentment, it was tied back to his mother.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: So when he went to live with his father and
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: he found his father had a whole new life.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 31: His father had remarried and had a beautiful wife, a
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 31: stepson about Kemper's age, and Kemper had to try to
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 31: fit into this new household.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 17: I'm sure he was bitter.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 52: He always thought he was the apple of his father's eye.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: Had one and Dad perfect sitcom of the fifties, leave
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: it to Beaver type family. So for a short period
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: it was okay.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 14: We say, gee, Dad, coach, you know you're going out
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 14: to dinner tonight.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Can we go someplace and eat? And you say sure.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 14: He give us a few dollars, we go down to
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 14: some little diner down the street.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: He treated us like little men.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 31: But he so idealized his father that he really didn't
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 31: see how uncomfortable this was for his father and his
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 31: new stepmother.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 49: As the body parts floated in from the ocean, there
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 49: was no longer any doubt in the community's mind that
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 49: there was something really wrong.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: There was.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 49: Somebody doing some bad things.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 46: We didn't have any information as to its suspect, so
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 46: we were just no longer guesswork.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 54: What is similar in these cases co ed location.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 22: These were young women who were hitchhiking.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 49: A lot of warnings went out, Please be careful, don't hitchhike,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 49: don't go out alone.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 46: We felt like our hands were not so much tied,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 46: but we couldn't figure out how to stop it.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 49: There was kind of a shock to the community. How
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 49: could this be happening in our little garden of Eden.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 49: I was talking to the investigators every single day.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 6: They were extremely.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 49: Frustrated because the victims of these crimes were completely random,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 49: and there is nothing more difficult to investigate than random killings.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 54: There's a lot of pressure to figure this out on
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 54: all of us. This one truly tugged in everybody. I
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 54: Cuckoo is a fifteen year old high school student, a
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 54: very talented ballet dancer. Her mother's a librarian at the
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 54: University of California at Berkeley.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 22: The police learned.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 54: Iicucku missed the bus and got into a car and disappear.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 54: I Couko's mother was making thousands of posters and putting
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 54: them on every telephone pole in the Bay Area. It's
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 54: hard to describe how.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 17: Painful this was.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 54: I mean, this was so hard for her.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 22: I mean it just crushed her heart.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we used to hitchhipe it out.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 47: It's not real safe to do it, so we don't.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: Why did you quit?
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: Because of all the weird things that have been happening
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: with the girls being captain of those.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 14: I when I was fourteen years old, I go stay
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 14: with my dad and this opened up whole new feelings
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 14: in me that I'd never had before. And I wish
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 14: I'd had more experience with my father growing up.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 12: He hated his mother, he loved his dad.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 52: That would have been a dream for Edmund to have
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 52: things work out living with his father.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: Ed's stepmother was absolutely terrified of him.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 31: Ed had this way of looking at people with kind
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 31: of a weird, empty stare that unnerve her. On top
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 31: of that, he's very tall and intimidating. She had not
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 31: bargained for having to deal with this teenage boy coming
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 31: into their home out of the blue, so she put
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 31: pressure on Ed's father. You know, he can't stay with us.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 14: We were buying for his interests of buying for his love.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 14: So we fought each other a lot, and it was
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 14: a lot of friction, and he couldn't handle that.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 31: Finally, Ed's father took Ed to his parents' seventeen acre
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 31: ranch in California, ostensibly to go for a visit over
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 31: Christmas vacation. But when Ed's father went to leave, he
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 31: told Ed, no, you're staying.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 14: We went up to the mountains to stay for Christmas,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 14: and I got left behind.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 31: Ed was completely betrayed. His father basically lied to him
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 31: and also abandoned him.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: I got left there.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 14: I was old family, I was already failured, so he
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 14: got rid of me.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 54: Alice Lou and Rosalind Thorpe are co Ed's attending the
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 54: University of California at Santa Cruz. They don't return from class,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 54: their friends get worried report of missing to the city
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 54: of Santa Cruz.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 25: It really hit home.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 33: It happened right on our own campus, our own students.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 27: Very frightened.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 33: During my long walks home from my babysitting jobs at
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 33: ten or eleven at night, alone in the dark and
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 33: my keys clutched between my fingers so I could defend
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 33: myself against an attacker. I can still, almost fifty years later,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 33: just feel in my bones, just being so afraid.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 54: Maybe they got a ride, I just got into a
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 54: car and disappeared. We needed to get information into every officer.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: Or every patrol car.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 17: Well, it's like, oh God, this is this is ever
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 17: going to end.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 33: First weekend, after we knew that Alison Rosalind had gone missing,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 33: we instituted a search on campus. We would walk along
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 33: the edges of the roadways because we knew that women
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 33: were being kidnapped by people in vehicles. I was feeling
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 33: a sense of dread of what we might find.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 17: They determine.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 54: These are the dismembered bodies, the remains of Alice Lou
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 54: and Rosalind Thorpe.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 33: I felt so sad for the parents after they learned
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 33: that their daughters had been killed. There was a huge
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 33: amount of grief on campus. It was maddening to know
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 33: that the perpetrator had not been found.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 49: The feeling in the community was, we've got a big
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 49: problem here. We've got to protect ourselves. But what do
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 49: we do? What the hell's going on?
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: You know? I went to live with dad. He sends
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: me up to grandma. Now she's got me and my mother.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 14: The last thing she said to me about my grandmother was,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 14: don't hurt them.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: You know my grandparents, don't hurt them.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 52: Edmund got dumped off in abandoned at his grandparents' house,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 52: and that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 52: He was mad at everybody in his inner circle that
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 52: rejected him.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 32: I met Ed shortly after he moved in with his grandparents.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 32: We were both freshmen and high school, and Ed sort
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 32: of stood out because he was very, very tall, about
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 32: six foot four. I remember while we're waiting for the
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 32: school bus. Ed tells me this very very detailed story
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 32: one of our neighbors he passed away. Grandpa Kemper, and
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 32: Ed went down to the house. And because Ed Kemper was,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 32: you know, a big, big kid, he helped the corner
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 32: carry the body.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: Out and he talked about the man's wife.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 32: She's crying, she's bereft, and he was just so put
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 32: off by that and so contemptuous of her grief. And
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 32: I was struck at the time at the complete lack
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 32: of empathy for the suffering of somebody else. Her husband
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 32: just died, You know, of course she's going to cry.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 31: They didn't socialize a lot. That's usually where you learn
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 31: empathy and you begin to feel things for other people.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: Ed was a country boy, and a lot of country
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: boys grow up as hunters. His father was a hunter.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 17: You start with.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: A bb gun, then you get a twenty two.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 52: He was always on little adventures outside. One time he
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 52: shot a blue jay. The bird fell down and started
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 52: like squawking really loud.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 27: He was taught what he could.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 52: Kill and what he couldn't, and blue jays were off limits.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 10: Ad Kemper goes out and commits this brazen act that
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 10: he's coming to associate with masculinity and power and taking
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 10: a life is linked to that.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 52: His grandmother found out and he got in trouble for
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 52: killing the blue jay.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 31: His grandmother was a dominating like his mother was, and
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 31: he began to build resentment toward her. Because she didn't
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 31: really trust him. He didn't like being told what to
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 31: do over and over and over.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 14: She never let me get out of her sight for
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 14: more than an hour without yelling my name out to
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 14: see where I was. I would go back to my
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 14: bedroom and I would I'd go off in the fantasy
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 14: worlds that you'd never want to share with anybody, because
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 14: they're so cruel or they're so unspeakably out of sync
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 14: with reality.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 31: He got angry and resentful, and he would then go
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 31: down to the athouse and shoot bullets into it, imagining
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 31: her inside.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 52: And the fantasy started getting more and more harsh and
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 52: deviant and.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 16: Sick.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 14: I started developing the fantasies toward her, killing her, and
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 14: in the decapitation fantasies were even there. They were, they
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 14: were in place by them already.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: It would always go, those fantasies.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 14: What were they, yes, possessing the severed heads of women.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 46: I was working the graveyard ship. You got to be
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 46: pretty boring. And then the phone rings, and the officer
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 46: who is working dispatch answered the phone.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 22: He's in his ed camper, and hell I knew ed.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 46: He worked at a guest station about three blocks from
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 46: the jury room. It was a watering hole for the
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 46: law enforcement around the Santa Cruz area. Ed kim Bern
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 46: would occasionally come down to the jury room and sit
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 46: with us while we sit there and beer. So I
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 46: get on the phone and I said, Hey, Ed, this
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 46: is Jim Connor.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 22: He said, oh, hi, Jim, how are you doing something
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 22: like that?
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 46: He said, well, I know you guys are looking for me,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 46: and as soon as you guys find me, you're going
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 46: to kill me. What do you mean, Ed, He said, well,
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 46: I killed her.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 22: During my conversation with Ed, he admitted to me that
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 22: he had killed his mother and her co worker. I
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 22: can't describe the feeling.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 46: That I was overcome by at that point. I am
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 46: just so blown away because I've known this guy, at
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 46: least I thought I knew him for quite some time.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 46: So I said, Ed, you've known me for a long time.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 46: I just need to know where you are. He said,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 46: I'm in a phone booth in Pueblo, Colorado.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 31: After Ed murdered his mother and her friend, he took
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 31: off across the country to Colorado. He was exhausted, and
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 31: he realized he had no place to go. His mother
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 31: had always taken care of him and now she was
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 31: dead thanks to him.
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  Speaker 46: Man the other officer, you get on the phone and
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  Speaker 46: call PUBPD and have him go out and put ed
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  Speaker 46: under arrest.
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  Speaker 54: It was the cleanest house you've ever walked into, and
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  Speaker 54: the only way you would know that there was something
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  Speaker 54: wrong in that house was because of the smell. There's
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  Speaker 54: this long walk in closet. At the end of the
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  Speaker 54: closet we find Kemper's mother. He cut her head off
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  Speaker 54: and she was completely washed clean, and her friend she
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  Speaker 54: was in the front closet, had been beaten to death.
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  Speaker 54: When the contingent of officers from Santa Cruz County arrived
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  Speaker 54: in Pueblo, they sat down with Ed Kemper and he confessed.
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  Speaker 6: To killing six co eds.
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  Speaker 10: I think there was probably a great deal of shock
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  Speaker 10: that this individual could be the person killing the co eds,
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  Speaker 10: because there were certain aspects of Kemper's personality where he was,
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  Speaker 10: in fact, very charming, likable. But when they look back
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  Speaker 10: and realized that he had killed before at the young
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  Speaker 10: age of fifteen, it must have been quite a wake
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  Speaker 10: up call about the type of individuals that were actually
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  Speaker 10: dealing with.
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  Speaker 14: I got this dominating grandmother on my father's side. I
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  Speaker 14: was up there with them for ten months. At first,
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  Speaker 14: it was okay because it was the calm of being
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  Speaker 14: away from my mother. I was going to a good school.
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  Speaker 14: As the months went on, the veneer went away and
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  Speaker 14: the passions and attention started building.
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  Speaker 10: Ed Kemper was fifteen years old and at that point
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 10: had hit a peak of aggresshia, and he was sort
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  Speaker 10: of a ticking time bomb.
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  Speaker 31: That day, Ed's grandfather had gone to the store to
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  Speaker 31: pick up groceries. Ed was alone with his grandmother. She
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  Speaker 31: was working on stories for a boys magazine. You wanted
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  Speaker 31: to go hunting, picked up his rifle and she said
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  Speaker 31: again to him, don't shoot the birds.
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  Speaker 14: I was building up loads of frustration, insight, big loads
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  Speaker 14: of hatred because I had no outlet for it, and
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  Speaker 14: it started simmering.
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 3: He just turns around, looks at his grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't rational.
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  Speaker 31: He sees the back of her head Ames's rifle and it.
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  Speaker 1: Was pure horror.
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  Speaker 14: My grandmother had made agreements with me from the gate
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  Speaker 14: that she wouldn't get into a little humiliating mind games
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  Speaker 14: with me like my mother had done well.
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  Speaker 1: Very soon after that, the mind game stuff started up.
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  Speaker 31: Kenter was prone to sudden rage. It was I've had it.
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  Speaker 31: She's mouthed off for the last time.
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  Speaker 14: I was really aware of the evil I was capable of,
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  Speaker 14: you know, the murderous violence.
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  Speaker 3: Something snaps in his head. He turned a gun on
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  Speaker 3: her and he shoots her in the head.
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  Speaker 31: He then shot her twice more, dragged her body into
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  Speaker 31: the bedroom, and he needed to be sure she was dead,
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  Speaker 31: so he stabbed her.
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  Speaker 52: He had such rage, he said that if the knife
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  Speaker 52: wouldn't have broke under the clavicle of his grandmother, he
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  Speaker 52: would have never stopped stabbing.
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  Speaker 3: So now Ed's panicking and he calls his mother, of
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  Speaker 3: all people in the world, and tells her, I just
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  Speaker 3: killed Grandpa and grandma.
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  Speaker 31: One thing that Kemper is learning as he listens to
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  Speaker 31: sex offenders is that women are objects, and he's being
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  Speaker 31: affirmed in some of the fantasies he's already had about
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  Speaker 31: how to control them by killing them. Ed also learned
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  Speaker 31: very quickly the kinds of things the psychiatrists were looking for.
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  Speaker 10: When he's put in an environment with his mother, he
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  Speaker 10: began to fantasize about acting out. The unfortunate reality is
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 10: that upon his release from a Tusca.
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  Speaker 17: There innocent people.
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  Speaker 10: Would become victims of his fantasy world. Ultimately, ed Kemper
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 10: fell into the pattern that you see, and some men
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  Speaker 10: who commit serio sexual homicide aggressive and sexualized fantasies, the
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 10: feelings of rejection, and then ultimately it spills over into
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  Speaker 10: the first act, and then with every killing there's an
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  Speaker 10: attempt to perfect that fantasy until its actual underpinnings are revealed,
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  Speaker 10: which is the killing of his mother.
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  Speaker 53: I had a real bad problem depriving people of their lives.
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  Speaker 53: It wasn't the aspect of killing them, that was the
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  Speaker 53: aspect of possessing their bodies afterwards. So it was almost
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  Speaker 53: after an effect, evicting someone from their human body. I'm
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  Speaker 53: sorry it sounds so cold that that's about what it
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  Speaker 53: analogizes to.
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  Speaker 33: What would have been ahead for all these people whose
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 33: lives were snuffed out. I'm sure they all could have
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  Speaker 33: had lives just as wonderful as mine.
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  Speaker 54: You can't investigate all these murder cases, or any murder
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  Speaker 54: case and not have things kind of just get burned
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  Speaker 54: into your brain.
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  Speaker 17: You can't erase it.