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3 Things Catholics Get Right || SLP682 · The Speak Life Podcast

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  SPEAKER_03: I so appreciated Trent Horn's video, Three Things That Evangelicals Get Right, that we decided to do a homage to his video, and uh we've even given him the thumbnail treatment that he gave to Gavin Ortland.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_03: You're welcome, Trent.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_03: You are the Giga Chad in this particular thumbnail.
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  SPEAKER_03: We want to talk about three things that Catholics get right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's been prompted not only by Trent Horn's video, but also by Pope Leo's very successful visit to Paris.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_03: Just look at Pope Leo going down the Champs-Élysées.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hundreds of thousands of Catholics lining the way, and there he is at Notre Dame.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when you think about history, this is so significant.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that is the first thing I want to point to when it comes to the Roman Catholic Church.
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  SPEAKER_03: It has such a sense of history that is really spine-tingly.
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  SPEAKER_03: You can think of 1793 and the revolutionaries in France are turning Notre Dame into a temple of reason.
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  SPEAKER_03: Priests executed Catholicism suppressed all in the name of liberty, equality, and fraternity.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_03: But there is such a sense of history to the Roman Catholic Church, such that it persists, and it persists.
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  SPEAKER_03: It is the anvil that wears out every hammer that comes against it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think France has had that sense as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: In 2019, Notre Dame burnt down, and there was a sense in 2019.
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  SPEAKER_03: Does France even want our lady?
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  SPEAKER_03: And resoundingly, the answer seemed to be yes.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_03: France's president said a part of us is burning.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I saw a lot of people crying on the streets, and it's all because it's the symbol, it's the symbol of France, it's the symbol of generations.
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  SPEAKER_03: And not only was the money raised for Notre Dame, but the adult baptisms in the Roman Catholic Church have been growing and growing and growing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now, baptisms overall are shrinking because infant baptisms are shrinking.
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  SPEAKER_03: But those who are intentionally buying in to Roman Catholicism within France, that is growing year on year on year.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_03: And actually the sense of history is right at the heart of things.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: I think in our current cultural moment, there is a big question mark over progressivism and whether we can believe in progress anymore, whether from an economic point of view, whether from a sociocultural point of view, political point of view, whether from an environmental point of view, and so the whole progressive impetus that we can simply turn Notre Dame into a temple of reason and ascend into liberty and equality and fraternity without things unraveling and in the case of the French Revolution becoming a bloody nightmare, we have seen a very miniature version of that in the post-war period in which we were promised a post-Christian morality of liberty and equality and fraternity, or diversity and equity and inclusion.
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  SPEAKER_03: And many people still believe in such a post-Christian vision of progress, but many are also questioning it and wondering whether the high priests of that vision have proved themselves to be at least as moralistic or authoritarian or tyrannical as the religious priests used to be.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so if you stop believing in progress, what are you then going to believe in?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, you're going to start believing in tradition.
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  SPEAKER_03: And here comes the Roman Catholic Church with its immense sense of history, of groundedness, of theirness.
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  SPEAKER_03: Notre Dame endured the reign of terror.
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  SPEAKER_03: Notre Dame endured the fires, and she comes out gleaming.
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  SPEAKER_03: I am immensely impressed and glad for the historical fairness of the Roman Catholic Church.
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  SPEAKER_03: When you visit the Vatican, you go through the museum, and you see history as it is laid out from pre-Christian to the early church, to the triumph of the Galilean, the triumph of Jesus of Nazareth and his little band of followers, and then this surprising historical movement of a people and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, I think that is true of the Church Catholic with a small c, but I think there's such a sense of it with the Roman Catholic Church, and it's something that speaks to so many people.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now, I disagree with Cardinal Newman's line that to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.
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  SPEAKER_03: We've got into that on this channel.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think the best of the reformers were actually about being more historical, and the best of the reformers were about saying actually the recent history of the medieval church has involved itself in so many accretions of new doctrines and scandals and justifications for those scandals that in the name of being more true to history, we need to get back to the early church and the scriptural vision.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_03: We need to go back to the sources and actually be more truly historic.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: I think that is what the best of the Protestant impulse was.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I do not think that you require to be Roman Catholic if you want to foreground history in your Christian walk.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_03: But I admire the historical veness of Roman Catholicism.
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  SPEAKER_03: Here's the second thing I really admire about Roman Catholicism.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's integrity.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I guess that's bound up with the history point.
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  SPEAKER_03: There is a sense of fairness to the Roman Catholic Church.
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  SPEAKER_03: It is the anvil, and you can hammer on it, but the hammer's gonna wear out before the anvil does.
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  SPEAKER_03: And there's a sense of integrity that says the winds of culture will blow this way and that.
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  SPEAKER_03: We will remain true to our own polesar.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now, obviously within Rome, they have an idea of doctrinal development, and the scriptures grow as the one who reads them grows, and there is that sense of progress within Catholicism, and there is that sense of development.
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  SPEAKER_03: And Vatican I in the 1860s sounds really quite different to Vatican II in the 1960s, and it would be difficult not to see the influence of culture on Vatican I versus Vatican II.
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  SPEAKER_03: But compared to Protestants, I do think Roman Catholicism privileges the integrity side of the equation more than the flexibility side of things, which tends to be the way that Protestants go.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_03: You might have heard the missionary saying that when you enter a new culture, you need to talk the local language but not worship the local gods, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Learn the local languages, enculturate yourself, be contextualized, be flexible, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Learn the local languages, but don't worship the local gods.
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  SPEAKER_03: And of course, temperamentally, some of us are more flexible and we're going to learn the local languages and we'll find ourselves worshiping the local gods.
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  SPEAKER_03: Those are some kinds of people, some kinds of temperaments, some kinds of institution are more flexible.
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  SPEAKER_03: Some kinds of personality and temperament and institution are inflexible because they never want to worship the local gods.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and that has incredible integrity.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_03: You never want to worship the local gods, but you might not be that good at learning the local languages.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so where where do Protestants and Catholics tend to lean on that question?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I I don't need to tell you that Protestants tend to lean towards learning the local languages, flexing being contextualized.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the Roman Catholic position is speak Latin.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_03: And the world can learn Latin, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And the world can come home to a Latin mass, and they are much more interested in inflexibly following God and having the world catch up to them than going out to the world and trying to contextualize to them.
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  SPEAKER_03: And myself, as a Protestant missionary to post-Christendom Western culture, as a Protestant missionary, I see the many dangers that there exist on my side of things and a kind of infinite flexibility, infinite contextualization, learning the local languages and becoming so native that, of course, you worship the local gods as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so think about Paris, think about Notre Dame, all that Notre Dame has been through.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then Pope Leo shows up and leads the congregation in an ancient hymn a thousand years old, and he sings it in Latin.
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  SPEAKER_03: Salve Regina means hail, queen, mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness, and our hope.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hail.
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  SPEAKER_03: It does seem to treat Mary as the co-redemptrix.
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  SPEAKER_03: Don't love that, but I do really respect the integrity of doing a thing not because it is recent, not because it is necessarily popular, but doing a thing because it is the thing that you feel that God has given you to do.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I do respect that.
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  SPEAKER_03: At that point, I wish that the Roman Catholic Church could be more historical and more reformable by going back to the sources and critiquing her own practices, even if they are a thousand years old.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: But in the spirit of seeing the best in one another, what I take from this is a real sense of not bending to the popular thing, but doing the thing that you feel God has given you to do, and trusting that God would make that fruitful in his own way.
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  SPEAKER_03: The Protestant impulse, as Trent Horne points out in his video, is to be so missionary that we're constantly trying to speak the local language, the contemporary language, constantly trying to do the thing that's popular.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_03: And he gives examples like this.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I looked up indoor playgrounds, and I found a free one online, and it turned out to be at Preston Wood Baptist Church.
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  SPEAKER_02: I took the kids inside and was blown away by how big the space was.
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  SPEAKER_02: This church's children's play area looked like a discovery center or a kids' zone with tons of tunnels and play areas, and it was all free.
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  SPEAKER_02: All you had to do was give your email address to the polite woman at check-in.
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  SPEAKER_02: And just like clockwork, a representative from the church invited me to attend a service a few weeks later.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I admit I'm tempted to go to Preston Wood's Christmas services because they have what resembles a Broadway show with people on wires and even Santa Claus flying overhead.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: Then in the second half of the show, they do a traditional reenactment of the Nativity story, but with actual camels walking on stage.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: But as I said, what really impressed me about this church, and really many evangelical churches, is that they make a concerted effort to invite people to their services through functions and other things that meet a person's needs for fellowship.
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  SPEAKER_02: Then they use this built-up trust to then explicitly share the gospel.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not just playgrounds.
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  SPEAKER_02: Successful evangelical churches host festivals, community talks, advertise Bible studies, and even send mailers to people's homes asking them to come to their services.
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  SPEAKER_03: Trent actually likes this, and I like that Trent likes this.
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  SPEAKER_03: He sees the evangelistic heart behind it.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: But it's a very different impulse, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_03: Singing a 1,000-year-old Latin hymn versus a rock concert, very different impulses.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm really glad that Trent uh recognizes the goodness in the hustle from the Protestant side and thinks he also sees the danger of this, like in this instance.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: Here's a Canadian mainline denomination whose roots go back to 1925 that is reduced to boomers trying to find Christian themes while watching The Simpsons.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bye, Caramba!
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_03: So boo that kind of contextualization and yay, a right kind of integrity.
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  SPEAKER_03: Here's the third thing I really appreciate about Roman Catholicism, and it's church, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Roman Catholics do not have an allergic reaction to the word institution.
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  SPEAKER_03: They don't mind that the church is an institution, and of course it is.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean marriage is an institution and it's a good institution, and we can love a thing that is also an institution.
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  SPEAKER_03: We should not break out into hives when we hear the word the institution of church.
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  SPEAKER_03: And yet the knee-jerk kind of Protestant and especially evangelical reaction to church is, oh, I don't want to be institutionalized.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm not into churchianity, man.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm into Christianity.
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  SPEAKER_03: Forget church, it's all about Christ.
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  SPEAKER_03: And what does that leave you with?
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  SPEAKER_03: It leaves you with a kind of a me and Jesus spirituality.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not so with Roman Catholicism.
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  SPEAKER_03: There is from the bottom up and from the top down such a sense of belonging to the body of Christ and not having a Christianity apart from the body of Christ, which I think is entirely healthy.
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  SPEAKER_03: The Jesus and me mentality within evangelicalism is very, very strong, such that the barometer of my spiritual life is whatever happens between me and the Lord when I'm perched on the end of my bed with a Bible open in my lap, a personal copy of my Bible that I've underlined with all the passages that I like while I'm listening to my favorite Christian music on Spotify, I'm having a me and Jesus moment, and that is the epitome of evangelical spirituality.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's the thermometer that tells me how I'm doing and how you're doing.
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  SPEAKER_03: And actually something's gone very wrong there, I think.
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  SPEAKER_03: If that's where we begin our thinking, if that's what we foreground when it comes to what my personal walk with Jesus is, is that it's an individual walk with Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not so in scripture.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, just think of Ephesians, which is kind of the book of the church within the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's all corporate, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_03: And and in Christ, we are part of his body, we are on high.
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  SPEAKER_03: And Paul prays in Ephesians chapter three that we are together with all the saints, grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, together with all the saints.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's why chapter four is all about church life.
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  SPEAKER_03: Together, we are to walk out our faith in community, because there is one body and one spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you are called, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then he starts talking about the various giftedness of each of us.
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  SPEAKER_03: There is a corporate Christian identity to the Christian, and Catholics really get that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now, what's interesting is that Trent's thing about three things that evangelicals get right.
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  SPEAKER_03: At least two of the three are about the individualism of evangelicalism as a positive.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so, I mean, the first thing he likes about evangelicalism is this pre-evangelization.
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  SPEAKER_03: We are always trying.
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  SPEAKER_03: We are always trying to reach out with the good news of Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_03: He speaks about that more at a corporate level.
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  SPEAKER_03: But then the other two things that he mentions, his number two thing that evangelicals get right is a meaningful identity.
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  SPEAKER_03: And what he points to is that in surveys, actually, evangelicals, when they are asked about what they actually stand for in life and the moral values that they hold, there is actually more of a sense of individual integrity to evangelicals than to Catholics when American pollsters ask.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now I find that very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't think the survey results would be the same in the UK.
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  SPEAKER_03: My own sense is that in the UK, I think individual Catholics might hold the line on Catholic teaching at least as well as evangelicals do, if not better.
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  SPEAKER_03: My own sense is that Catholics have been ahead of evangelicals in the UK.
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  SPEAKER_03: On issues like abortion, I think that by and large, evangelicals have lagged behind Catholics on that kind of teaching in the UK.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm grateful for Catholic integrity on that issue.
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  SPEAKER_03: I've learned so much from it.
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  SPEAKER_03: But interestingly, Trent Horn, in a US setting, says that in surveys, evangelicals seem to have more of an identity when you ask them by themselves, what do you believe?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_03: Evangelicals don't mind being different on moral issues, and they don't mind being different on doctrinal issues, which is the third thing that Trent points to about evangelicals.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_03: He really likes our strong doctrinal commitments.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm so fascinated to hear his appreciation for that on the evangelical side of things, because actually I look at the Catholic side of things and I love that they take dogma so seriously.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_03: At the institutional level, I think doctrine is so vitally important.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: And the Catholic Church has its own catechism and it's 800,000 words long, and that's the thing, right?
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: And you come over to the Protestant side of things, and I guess certain magisterial reformers have led to some statements of faith that are quite robust, and there are some catechisms on the Protestant side of things.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_03: But what are evangelicals known for?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: No creed but the Bible.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_03: And so institutionally, again, we are allergic to the idea of institution, we're kind of allergic to the idea of creeds and want to boil things down to a simple and perhaps simplistic gospel message.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm just so glad that Trent appreciates the individualism of evangelicalism, which of course is a double-edged sword.
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  SPEAKER_03: It is good when the individual Christian can stand on their own two feet and say, here I stand, I can do no other.
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  SPEAKER_03: There is something good.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I wonder whether Trent is recognizing something Lutheran in evangelicals, because on an individual basis we are able to stand for our doctrinal distinctives perhaps a little more than your average Roman Catholic who's plucked out of church and just asked by a pollster whether they affirm this moral teaching or believe this dogma.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: But let me reflect the appreciation back the other way.
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  SPEAKER_03: What I really appreciate when I see it in Catholics is the sense that they belong to something bigger and that in any evangelistic conversation they're having, they don't have to be Martin Luther in front of the emperor saying, Here I stand.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: They can just say, the teaching of the church is this, and I stand with the church, right?
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um I actually think Protestants can learn a lot from that.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_03: I think the individualism of the evangelical evangelist gets in the way, and two ways that you can overcome that.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: One is by saying, Well, on this issue, Jesus says X, and so you offload the burden of the authority of your pronouncement on Jesus.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: But I think you can also offload the burden of that onto the church.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_03: I think there's been a group of people on planet Earth who have always thought that marriage is between one man and one woman for life, right?
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's what Jesus taught in Matthew 19, and it's what the church have attempted to live out for better and for worse down through the ages.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm with Jesus and I'm with his people.
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  SPEAKER_03: And at that stage, it's not about Glenn Scrivener having come to a certain view of sex and sexuality in the year of Our Lord 2026.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's about actually saying, I'm just part of this much bigger thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think evangelicals can learn a lot from how Roman Catholics deal with such questions, and they can learn a lot because Roman Catholics have done a lot of great thinking around issues to do with the sexual revolution and a theology of sex and the body and marriage.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't think all that teaching is infallible, and I take issue with some of it, but there is a body of thought, and the Catholic kind of belongs to that body of thought.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: And the church has such a venerable intellectual tradition of thinking through.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's not just a theology of sex and sexuality and the body, it's like Catholic social teaching about politics and economics and society and cultural theory.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: Protestants always feel like they have to reinvent everything in every generation.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: Every single person needs to come to a personal conviction about everything.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a danger in offloading everything to the collective.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: But there's also a danger, and evangelicals have this danger, of considering it your individual duty to come up with the creed all by your lonesome.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so the individualism, it's a double-edged sword.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: And what I appreciate when I look over the other side of the tiber is I see a church that believes in church.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: And as an evangelist, that is just so vital.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not simply inviting people to Christ, I'm inviting people to be one with Jesus and therefore to be one with all the other people who are one with Jesus.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: And church is essential.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: I really, really appreciate that about Roman Catholicism.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: And here's where I'll finish.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_03: This week I got to preach on the Logos Hope ship that goes all around the world via Operation Mobilization, and it was in Cardiff.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just this mad, beautiful, bonkers jumble of people from all over the world trying to reach the world.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's the sort of madness that evangelicals embark upon.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like the vast investment of time and resources comes from volunteers, just like there's hundreds of people on the ship, and they're all getting trained in being missionaries out to the nations.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_03: And it is the largest floating bookstore in the world.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: And when they dock in various places, they give dental checks to people and eye health and medical care and disaster relief and practical helps.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just this incredible movement of the spirit.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: And the captain said, Look, we're gonna go to Belfast next and then Liverpool, and then we don't know, maybe we'll go to the Philippines, maybe we'll go to Africa, we don't know.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: And there's just this bonkers kind of expression of the spirit's mission to the nations, and people from like a hundred different denominations just reaching the nations for Christ.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: Also, this week I was at London City Mission as they were celebrating all that they were doing to reach the whole city with the whole gospel through the whole church.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: And when they say the whole church, there's just so many denominations represented from Anglicans and Presbyterians to Pentecostals, charismatics, and everything in between from so many different nationalities, so much diversity, and yet we sang on Christ the Solid Rock I Stand.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: And after London and London City Mission, and after Cardiff and the Logos Hope ship, like the next day, I saw Pope Leo go down the Champs-Élysées, and I was thrilled to see the Pope go down the Champs-Élysées and to see the French respond to this moment.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I was thrilled to see hundreds of missionaries reaching London in a Protestant context, and hundreds more missionaries from around the world mobilized by the Logos Hope ship to reach the nations.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: Is there a way of appreciating all of that?
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: As a Protestant, I can and I want to, and I want to get better at appreciating all that the Spirit is doing in every denomination.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: Orthodox, Catholic, within different Protestant denominations, I want to get better at noticing, appreciating, celebrating the work of the Spirit across boundaries.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: Protestants, we won't always like the distinctive that we see across the way.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: I don't like the Salve Regina.
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  SPEAKER_03: But what is it that you can appreciate about the sense of history, the sense of integrity, the sense of church that is a rebuke to some of the excesses on our side of things?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: So that's my challenge for Protestants and for Catholics.
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  SPEAKER_03: You might well be excited for all the adult baptisms that are happening in France.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're excited too, as Protestants.
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  SPEAKER_03: In fact, every ten days there's a new Protestant church being planted in France.
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  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that amazing?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_03: Every ten days, can you celebrate with us?
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_03: And can we celebrate with you as we see France such a secular nation, wanting to turn to Christ in various ways?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: But as you celebrate the Pope going down the Champs Elysees, can you also celebrate those little churches being planted all over France every ten days by Protestant denominations?
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: Can you celebrate what London City Mission is doing to reach that great city?
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: Can you celebrate what the Logos Hope Ship is doing?
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  SPEAKER_03: What does a movement of the Spirit look like?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: I submit to you that it looks like multitudes mobilized for the mission of God, multitudes taken from darkness and into light, multitudes turned around and addictions conquered and demons driven out, the gospel proclaimed, the deposit of faith handed on, and the mission of Christ carried out to the ends of the earth.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: And when I see that happening in whatever church I'm looking at, I want to celebrate the work of the Spirit wherever he may be found.
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  SPEAKER_03: Within the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome and far beyond it.
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