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Ken Rosenthal: 1B trade ideas, White Sox/Brewers deal, Dobbins comments + MLB ratings spike · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: So your teammates stood up for you or they felt
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  Speaker 1: sorry for you? How to protect you? Which one was it? Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Stood up from the AJA because they love me.
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  Speaker 1: There's the overinflation there it is.
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  Speaker 3: There's the over inflation of their athletic career.
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  Speaker 4: It's the inside scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wow, we've got Ken on a Friday and AJ
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  Speaker 4: working on a Friday, so beware, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: start with some bizz Ken. I read through the notes
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  Speaker 4: column and I wanted to begin with your first base
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  Speaker 4: trade ideas first baseman who could land on teams that
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  Speaker 4: need them?
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  Speaker 5: Your thoughts, well, I said in the column that I
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  Speaker 5: generally hate playing a guessing game, saying, ah.
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  Speaker 1: This player might fit here.
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  Speaker 5: It really works out that way, and we should be
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  Speaker 5: reporting on this stuff, not speculating. But I did it
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  Speaker 5: myself anyway, of course, because I'm guilty of it as well.
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  Speaker 5: And in this particular case, we've got Josh Naylor of
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  Speaker 5: the Diamondbacks.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan O'Hearn of the Orioles.
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  Speaker 5: Both those teams not committed sellers yet I think they
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  Speaker 5: will be sellers. Most of the industry believes they will
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  Speaker 5: be sellers. And there are three teams with obvious needs
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  Speaker 5: at first base. San Francisco is one DFA Lamont wayde Junior,
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  Speaker 5: and they've got Dominic Smith now, good game last night, but.
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  Speaker 2: He's more of a stopgap.
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  Speaker 5: Seattle is another rowdy Telez has hit him home runs
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  Speaker 5: on base is really low.
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  Speaker 2: And then Boston. We know all about Boston and them
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  Speaker 2: needing a first baseman.
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  Speaker 5: So it seems to me that those teams should be
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  Speaker 5: in on those guys. But who knows what the next
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  Speaker 5: seven weeks might bring. And that's the caveat here with
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  Speaker 5: all of this trade talk.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, it's really early.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 5: There was a trade today, obviously, but that was a
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  Speaker 5: very unique situation. But so much is going to play
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  Speaker 5: out over the next seven weeks. I wrote about Arcontra
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  Speaker 5: yesterday and how he looked better in his last two starts,
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  Speaker 5: admittedly against Colorado and Pittsburgh, but going forward, he's got
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  Speaker 5: a chance now to restore his value, to become the
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  Speaker 5: pitcher that we all thought he would be, maybe not
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  Speaker 5: right away coming off Tommy John, but certainly in some
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  Speaker 5: reasonable time frame.
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  Speaker 2: So here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Keen, we talked heavily about Savale in his trade request
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  Speaker 3: and I said he was gonna get trade at Cratston.
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  Speaker 3: Think he the Bruers a trade on what I did.
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  Speaker 3: The Brewers aren't a team to sit around and have
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  Speaker 3: someone you know, it's not happy. They're stick around, So
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  Speaker 3: I applaud them for doing it. But why don't we
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  Speaker 3: see more of.
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  Speaker 1: This in Major League Baseball? It happens in other sports.
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  Speaker 3: You see it in football, you see it in basketball,
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  Speaker 3: But in baseball this doesn't happen as often.
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  Speaker 1: Why not?
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  Speaker 5: The deadline drives so much activity, and it's like anything
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  Speaker 5: else in life. Aja, people don't move until they have
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  Speaker 5: a deadline. And in this case of Savali, it was
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  Speaker 5: a different situation. It was different because they had a
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  Speaker 5: seeming surplus of starters. He was bumped from the rotation.
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  Speaker 5: He is a potential free agent who wants to can
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  Speaker 5: continues starting, so he asked for a trade, and the
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  Speaker 5: Brewers honored his request, and it did happen more quickly
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  Speaker 5: than I thought. I thought this would need some time
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  Speaker 5: to play out. But the White Sox surely want a
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  Speaker 5: veteran starter, and they can flip Savali if he performs
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  Speaker 5: well over the next seven weeks. It was a good
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  Speaker 5: deal for them. And for the Brewers they get a
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  Speaker 5: guy and Andrew On. I do not know what has
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  Speaker 5: happened to Andrew On, number three pick in the draft
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  Speaker 5: not so long ago, but maybe he goes to Triple A,
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  Speaker 5: finds himself a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And contributes to the Brewers down the stretch.
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  Speaker 3: Does this make a change, Because NBA this happens all
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  Speaker 3: the time football. You hear about, Oh I'm not happy,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna baseball. This is rare that it gets out.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's not happening behind the scenes, but
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  Speaker 3: do you feel like this is a shift or is
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  Speaker 3: it such a unique situation where Savali's on a free
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  Speaker 3: agent year. He's not a big name, but he was
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  Speaker 3: upset and it came out.
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  Speaker 5: It's somewhat unique. And we were tipped off yesterday that
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  Speaker 5: he had requested the trade agent confirmed it. I went
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  Speaker 5: to the agent with the information, so we were going
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  Speaker 5: to go with it anyway, but he did confirm it.
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  Speaker 5: And it is unusual that it does get public for
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  Speaker 5: whatever reason. And teams, of course love their secrets, they
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  Speaker 5: love them more than anything, and players generally don't want
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  Speaker 5: to look bad, and Sabali, you could possibly say, look
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  Speaker 5: bad for this, although it was certainly understandable why he
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  Speaker 5: would want a trade in the circumstance he was in.
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  Speaker 5: So it doesn't get out much. It does happen behind
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  Speaker 5: the scenes. I would expect more often than not in
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  Speaker 5: situations like this where a player is kind of boxed in,
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  Speaker 5: where his opportunity has been taken away or isn't there
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  Speaker 5: in the first place, and that's why you see deals
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  Speaker 5: of this nature occur.
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  Speaker 4: Ken, what did you think of the other side of
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  Speaker 4: this one? Andrew Vaughn moves over to the Brewers and
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about how it's kind of I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to say sad, but just wild to see how how.
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  Speaker 6: Quickly the game changes in terms of teams.
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  Speaker 4: And obviously the White Sox has been terrible for the
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  Speaker 4: last couple of years, but Lloyjamenez kind of given away
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  Speaker 4: last year, and now Vaughn, who's been down in Triple
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  Speaker 4: A moving on to the Brewers. What do you think
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  Speaker 4: of that side of the story.
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  Speaker 5: Scott, That's an interesting way to look at it, because
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  Speaker 5: the White Sox at one time, not long ago twenty one,
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  Speaker 5: had this core of Vaughan Jimenez, Tim Anderson, Jan Mancato,
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  Speaker 5: all of these players.
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  Speaker 2: And right now pretty much all of them are gone.
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  Speaker 5: Vaughn is a guy that it's a little bit of
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  Speaker 5: a mystery to me what has happened, And I will
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  Speaker 5: admit I have.
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  Speaker 2: Not followed it as closely as perhaps I should have.
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  Speaker 5: But a change of scenery in this particular player's case
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  Speaker 5: might be a very good thing because he is not
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  Speaker 5: a player without talent. He would not have been the
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  Speaker 5: number three pick in the draft if he lacked talent.
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  Speaker 5: But for whatever reason, over the last several years, it
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  Speaker 5: has just gone south for him.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the environment's part of it.
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  Speaker 5: They certainly can't blame it all that it's on the player.
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  Speaker 5: It'll be interesting to see now if with this change
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  Speaker 5: of scene he somehow revives, and we'll see it's something
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  Speaker 5: that will play out here over the next several weeks
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  Speaker 5: and months. And if he does revive, then for the
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  Speaker 5: Brewers this was terrific.
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  Speaker 3: He talked about an environment that he was put into.
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  Speaker 3: He was put into a playoff environment right there in
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  Speaker 3: twenty one, right away, so he was around a successful team.
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  Speaker 3: Is this more an AJ kind of asked me the
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  Speaker 3: same question. I didn't really know the answer early. Is
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  Speaker 3: this more an indictment on developing kids at the big
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  Speaker 3: leagues for the White Sox, or lack of developing them
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  Speaker 3: in the minor leagues and then getting them called up,
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  Speaker 3: Because if you say it's the minor leagues, they took
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  Speaker 3: that guy and then made him the GM of the
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  Speaker 3: big league team.
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  Speaker 5: Now, I don't have an answer for that, Eric, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know exactly the percentage of blame how to allocate it,
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  Speaker 5: but certainly you're accurate in saying that the general manager
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  Speaker 5: of the White Sox, Chris Gets used to be their
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  Speaker 5: farm director. Now, if I recall, Andrew Vaughn was not
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  Speaker 5: in the minor leagues very long. So whether it's a
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  Speaker 5: failure of development, whether he just stalled for whatever reason, again,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not entirely sure. Actually made some calls on this
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  Speaker 5: today asking around because I'd like to know what happens.
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  Speaker 5: Haven't found out yet, haven't gotten those calls back, So again,
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  Speaker 5: whatever the answer might be there, he has a fresh
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  Speaker 5: start here, he has an opportunity to do some good things,
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  Speaker 5: and the Brewers are going to give him that opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: They badly need offense.
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  Speaker 5: So if he does anything at all at Triple A,
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  Speaker 5: I would expect it they give him a chance to
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  Speaker 5: contribute at the major league level.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to do this while I ask it because
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  Speaker 4: this will probably be a factor. With willia Damas having
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  Speaker 4: a bad year at the plate. Will this prevent any
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  Speaker 4: big bats from wanting to sign in the future with
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  Speaker 4: San Francisco.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I know why you were rubbing your fingers, Scott,
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  Speaker 5: because obviously players go where the money is, and if
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  Speaker 5: the Giants make the best offer for a free agent bat,
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  Speaker 5: they're going to get in many cases, as long as
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  Speaker 5: it's the best offer the free agent bat. That's how
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  Speaker 5: this thing works. And I don't know that willia Damas
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  Speaker 5: had any other suitors at the level where the Giants were.
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  Speaker 2: Now again, are we talking about.
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  Speaker 5: The ballpark here or are we talking about the player?
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  Speaker 5: And are we talking about the adjustment in a free
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  Speaker 5: agent scenario, much like Wan Soto went through with the Mets.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes it takes guy's time, and willia Damas of late
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  Speaker 5: has been a little bit better. He shit some home runs,
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  Speaker 5: hit some balls hard, so I expect him to still
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  Speaker 5: be a good player for them this year. Williadamas was
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  Speaker 5: never a superstar. He was a good player, good offensive player,
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  Speaker 5: good defender. But to ask him to be something more
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  Speaker 5: than that is probably asking too much. So you certainly
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  Speaker 5: can ask for more than they've gotten and they should
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  Speaker 5: get more than they've gotten. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know that it affects anything in the future
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  Speaker 5: as far as free agent recruiting with the Giants.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, you can't blame no one wants to
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  Speaker 3: blame everything on the park like it's he's off to
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  Speaker 3: a rough start. I mean, look at him before he
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  Speaker 3: went to the Brewers. He wasn't that great. Like before
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  Speaker 3: he went to the Brewers. He went to the Brewers,
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  Speaker 3: figured something out. Now he's not on the Brewers anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff happens, I don't know, but he got paid, so
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  Speaker 3: good for him. Good for you, Willie, Good for you.
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  Speaker 3: But let's talk about another guy took a chance and
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  Speaker 3: went to a place where, you know, pitching's supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be hard to do. Ryan Yarborough went to the Yankees, right,
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  Speaker 3: No one's supposed to be able to pitch the Yankee Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: It's a home run hitters park.
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  Speaker 3: He's doing okay, and he's thriving after leaving the Blue Jays.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I wrote about him today, and it's an interesting
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  Speaker 5: story because the Jays had a chance to keep him
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  Speaker 5: and when spring training ended, they basically asked him for
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  Speaker 5: a clause in his minor league deal in which if
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  Speaker 5: they added him to the major league roster, they would
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  Speaker 5: have forty five days to evaluate him and then release him.
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  Speaker 5: If they didn't want him, terminate the deal right there,
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  Speaker 5: not owe him any more money. He signs the same
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  Speaker 5: deal with the Yankees. The incentives were a little bit different.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 5: And I asked him why, and he said, well, with
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  Speaker 5: the Blue Jays, I had proven myself in the final
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  Speaker 5: two months.
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  Speaker 6: Of last year.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know why they would want that from me.
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  Speaker 5: With the Yankees, Okay, they haven't seen me.
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  Speaker 2: It's a new team.
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  Speaker 5: I'm willing to take that same thing and that forty
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  Speaker 5: five day risk where I could get terminated. And yes,
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  Speaker 5: he has thrived, as sometimes pitchers.
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  Speaker 2: Do with the Yankees after going there.
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  Speaker 5: Luke Weaver is another great example of a relatively unheralded
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  Speaker 5: guy who gets into the Yankees pitching factory and suddenly
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  Speaker 5: becomes more than he was before. That's what we've seen
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  Speaker 5: from Yarborough so far. Now, admittedly it's not a lengthy
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  Speaker 5: sample size, but he had five really good starts before
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  Speaker 5: last weekend against Boston, where he allowed eight runs in
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  Speaker 5: four innings. He faces the Red Sox again tonight. Historically
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  Speaker 5: has had huge problems with the Red Sox, so we'll see.
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  Speaker 5: But for the Yankees, it proved to be at least
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  Speaker 5: somewhat of a good move for the first several months
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  Speaker 5: of the season, and the Jay's it turns out, could
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  Speaker 5: have used a guy like that. Even as well as
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  Speaker 5: they're playing, they still could use a guy like Ryan Yarborough,
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  Speaker 5: who is over the years proven to be a pretty
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  Speaker 5: difficult guy to hit, even though he doesn't throw very hard.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Ken, he pitched your next, your next, a Jamie
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  Speaker 4: were fighting, you got last one. I'm going to go
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  Speaker 4: second to last. So Yarborough of course had some issues
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  Speaker 4: with the Red Sox back to his Raise days. That's
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  Speaker 4: where he pitched, you know, most of the beginning of
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  Speaker 4: his career, first half of his career, whatever you want
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  Speaker 4: to call it. I did want to get to what
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  Speaker 4: you wrote about in your notes column on the Rays,
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  Speaker 4: because I think there's a larger discussion at play. Sometimes
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  Speaker 4: people look at the race and think they're the forward
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  Speaker 4: thinking org so they kind of walk everyone into openers
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  Speaker 4: and using up your bullpen as much as possible, and
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  Speaker 4: then boom, this year their starters are more useful than
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  Speaker 4: maybe any rotation in baseball. So when'd you wrote about
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  Speaker 4: what do you think about the direction where they're heading.
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  Speaker 5: It's a really interesting development to see them lead the
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  Speaker 5: league in rotation innings and with the Rays when they
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  Speaker 5: were using openers and introducing that and bulk pitchers. The
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  Speaker 5: way Eric Neander, their president of Baseball Operations, explains it,
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  Speaker 5: they were trying to develop guys. They wanted relievers pitching
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  Speaker 5: at the start of the game, maybe to release the
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  Speaker 5: pressure on them a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Granted there's pressure at the start of.
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  Speaker 5: The game, but it's not quite the same as a
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  Speaker 5: tie game in the eighth inning. They also didn't have
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  Speaker 5: starters to go seven or eight innings, and some of
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  Speaker 5: the guys who were developing they wanted to use in
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  Speaker 5: bulk rolls so they wouldn't have to face the top
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  Speaker 5: of the order three times, just the two times perhaps,
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  Speaker 5: and then get through.
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  Speaker 2: It and get out of there.
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  Speaker 5: Now they have the capability because of the personnel that
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  Speaker 5: they have to do more to have a traditional rotation,
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  Speaker 5: and what Neanders said is that's the goal. We all
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  Speaker 5: want seven innings starters. And while the Rays were criticized
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  Speaker 5: for trying to reinvent the wheel, being too cute.
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  Speaker 2: And all of that.
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  Speaker 5: The reality was they were doing it in their minds
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  Speaker 5: out of necessity. Now they don't have that same necessity.
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  Speaker 5: They have five quality starters and six if Shane McClanahan
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  Speaker 5: ever comes back. That's kind of in jeopardy right now
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  Speaker 5: in concern. So we'll see how it all plays out
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  Speaker 5: for them, because things will change over the course of
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  Speaker 5: the year. Of course, you will see pictures get hurt,
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  Speaker 5: you will see them become more ineffective. They've got a
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  Speaker 5: question now with Shane bozz is he pitching well enough
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  Speaker 5: to kind of stay in the rotation. But the Rays
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  Speaker 5: have gotten a ton of work out of their starters
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  Speaker 5: and it's been beneficial to them. And as the Unders
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  Speaker 5: said again, it's the goal all along. It's just you
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  Speaker 5: have to have the capability to do it, the right
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  Speaker 5: pictures to.
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  Speaker 2: Do it with.
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  Speaker 3: Ken, You're you're in New York, a New York game.
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  Speaker 3: You have a big game tomorrow their Red Sox.
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  Speaker 1: And the Yankees. Sorry, it's Boston age as Boston, New York.
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  Speaker 1: Same difference, Ken.
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  Speaker 6: Two hours two hours, two hours?
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  Speaker 1: Can you can walk there to the least.
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  Speaker 6: That joke, but I get in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, hundred Dobbins is pitching tomorrow. Is he gonna get
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  Speaker 3: a standing ovation from Red Sox fans when he takes
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  Speaker 3: the mound? After all the crappy he went through this
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  Speaker 3: past week, with all the stuff we had him on
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  Speaker 3: here yesterday, he did a back down. He's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: bring it, I don't care. I ain't scared, right, it
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  Speaker 3: was an awesome interview. But tomorrow, when he takes the
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  Speaker 3: mount at Fenway after pitching against the Yankees last time,
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  Speaker 3: saying what he said in New York, now he gets
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  Speaker 3: to go to Fenway against the same team, are you
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  Speaker 3: expecting some special out of the Fenway crowd?
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  Speaker 5: It's a good question, probably because he said he wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: ever go to the Yankees. He'd retire rather than be
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  Speaker 5: a Yankee. You talk about all the crap he went through,
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  Speaker 5: aj it was self inflicted. He's still he said things
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  Speaker 5: that were proven to be very quickly not true. So
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  Speaker 5: I understand what he said about not fact checking his
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  Speaker 5: father on the show. I thought that was a pretty
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  Speaker 5: good line.
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  Speaker 6: I get it.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: And I heard Jim Rome yesterday of all people talking
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: about this, saying, Hey, what father hasn't inflated his past
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: athletic accomplishments. Fair point, But at the same time he
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: was rightly called out.
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: When you say things that aren't true, I'm sorry.
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's fair for reporters to check and see, Wait,
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: what is he talking about here? So that's what happened.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Whether he's a hero to Red Sox Nation because of it,
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: guys have been a hero for dumber reasons. So all
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: the power to him if that's the case.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Have you lied to your kids ken about your athletic accomplishments?
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: That's what I want to know.
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: And you know what the answer is, no, because there's
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: nothing to speak of.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: We weren't even good at like Kiddley Winks or Jack.
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: I was last guy.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: All right, Aja, here again.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: You can tell you I was the last guy picked
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: in basketball? Can we get you know?
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: I was the last guy on the worst soccer team
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: on the island, and my senior year, because I was
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: three foot six, the coach wanted to play me on
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: jv for a fourth straight year, and I said, now,
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: please put me on varsity. Even if I got to
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: be on the bench, I want to be with my friends.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: And that's what it was. So there were no athletic
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: accomplishments to speak of a j I don't have to
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: lie about anything.
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: Okay, varsity?
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: So wait, hold up, you can play JV for four years.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't know you could play.
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: Rules in New York junior varsity as a senior. You can?
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I mean I never heard of that. I guess, well,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you never saw a player like me AJ, true, true,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Hopefully we never see another one. Ken.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: That's exactly like my big league career. I was like,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: I am sick of being in Triple A. I want
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: to be up in the big leagues with my friends.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: So they were like, go for it.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: And my only accomplishment as a senior on the soccer
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: team was getting run over by some kid on another
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: team and that prompted a.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Full scale brawl. That was it. That's my are similar.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: So we are similar than much.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: That there was an actual fight on the field after that.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: You see your team stood up for you or they
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: felt sorry for you and how to protect you. Which
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: one was it?
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: Stood up for me AJ because they loved me.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: There's the over inflation there, it is. There's the over
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: inflation of their athletic career, right, there.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: You just got to do it. See, this is how
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: we set you up.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: Well, this is it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: You can say my senior year on varsity, I incited
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: a brawl.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: Nothing, nothing, that's it.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: It's it's not cool, you said, No, he's factual.
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's actual. Exactly.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, this is why A left New York. This is
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: why AJ left New York. He couldn't have handled it.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: He was too soft. He had to go to Florida.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I never started any brawls in high school.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: No, I'm sure, I'm not sure A day was the
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: quiet kid in the back.
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: I'm sure he waited. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, he said.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I told the story about hitting the picture in the
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: head the other day when they get and the dude
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: got it, others got it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I got kicked out of that game. Sorry, Ken, And.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: I said Hi, And I said Ken, I warned you
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Aj on a Friday. But enjoy have a great game tomorrow.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: We'll talk to you next week. Thanks guys, Thank you.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Ken Rosenthal Fair Territory. Monday, he's back. He's live in
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: the morning.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: It's cool to see him on a Monday morning.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Get caught up on the weekend, and then on Thursdays,
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• 20:32
  Speaker 4: I wanted to hit this from the other day because
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: I think we got to give love to fans that
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: are supporting baseball. So we'll start with the Tigers. This
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: came out in front off the Sports. The Tigers actually
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: don't have MLB's best record at the moment. This was
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: from a few days ago, but they do have the
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: second largest attendance jump, so props to them on that front.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: The attendance gain is about forty percent compared to this
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: time last season. About seven seven hundred fans on an
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: average game on a boost to attendance this year. I
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: didn't praise that really well, but about almost eight thousand
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: more fans per game.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: That's really good.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: What if you're good, people come watch you, I mean, Boom,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: You spend money and you make the right moves and
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: you're pretty good, and you make the playoffs the year before,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: and then you have excitement. You bring back Flairty, you know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: you bring in some of these guys school GOLs back
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: after the cy young guess what they do.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: People come out and watch you.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: You gotta spend money to make money At this slowl one, teams.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Are starting to figure that out.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I think maybe, wait, I want to know who the
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: who's the biggest attendance? Jump?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: If they're second, who's first? Mets?
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: Probably? I know the Mets are up big, Yes it is.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: It's Mets.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: So the Mets are ahead of them in the standings
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: and the attendance. Yep, Mets on the time.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Wait, so when BET's on the Tigers, when you're good
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: and you add, you make more money.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Usually that's how it works.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: Hold on, hold on.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: No, yes, Bob Nutting watching right now. Pirates owner Bob
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Nutting needs the hear this. When you've got a core
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: and you put a little bit into it, you actually
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: make more.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: No, that's it.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Could be hard to grasp when you haven't made a
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: dime on your own. But that's how this works. It's
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: that simple. And it's not just ticket sales.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: Crafts.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Sales of Tigers merch on MLB's online shop up forty
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: percent so far this season. Consumption of Tigers games outside
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: their market is up a ton. Inside the market's obviously
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: up a ton too, up almost one hundred percent.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: So they're thriving.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: No, that's no way. There's no way your portfolio could
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: ever get better in if you own a sports team,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: because they win.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: That's not.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: There's no correlation there, there's no correlation. It's just stay
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: status quo. Hire a GM that doesn't want to make
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: any moves. He just wants to keep his job for
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: five to seven years and just you know, just float
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: along in life and watch your the value of your
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: organization go up. Winning doesn't matter, No way, no way,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: more fans would come out in Pittsburgh. They don't love
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: the way they do everything I just said with sarcasm.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: And they I mentioned them because I don't know where
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: they are market wise, but they're probably pretty close in
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: market size. They have a sick ballpark, and they did
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: their rebuild around the same time as the Tigers. And
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: look where the Tigers are now, and look where the
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Pirates are now.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Just saying, how much money per game?
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: If you average almost eight thousand fans per game, how
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: much more money per game do you think the Tigers
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: make this year over last year?
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: Millions? Many millions.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just I don't know, it's just a
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: ques I don't know the answer, but I'm just I mean,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I feel like we should take a guess at that
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: because eight thousand more and what's the average ticket fifty?
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: If it's fifty.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: Bucks and how many home games?
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying that's
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: one game.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: So that if you let's say you do twenty five
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: million dollars, so a million dollars a game.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: By the time you factor in concessions and parking and all.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: That, we're way higher. We're way higher.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: So let's do eight thousand fans, okay, times fifty dollars
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: a ticket.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Okay, time times eighty games?
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Ish yeah, no, no, yeah, I said a million a game.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: While I'm already at and and they make a ton
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: of food and everything else, we're already at thirty two
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: million dollars we've.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Before, we before, that's just before food.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: You can probably double that on food, merch, et cetera.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: So we're at them making maybe seventy million dollars more.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: What isn't that what I said?
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: I gotta be honest. I usually do listen to you,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: but I was doing math. No, but I had to
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: I had to focus crats.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, how much did they spend? How much should they spend?
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I mean that that's seventy million, isn't they're making more
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: than that?
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Because then if they get to the postseason.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: And plus the advertising rates of their games because the
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: viewership is up goes up.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: You sell on more on ads, you sell more on sponsorships, billboards, everything, Right,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: So call it one hundred.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: They didn't spend one hundred, and even.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: If they did, they're still gonna make They're gonna make
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: more than that.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: They got Flaherty, they got labor. They tried to get Bregman,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: but they got Tommy Kinley.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: Add all that up. But this is the point. The
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: Pirates could do the same thing to a t right.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: The Pirates don't have as good of a corps though.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: What No, but they could have done.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: They don't have as good of.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: A corm So they don't, don't They don't have as
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: good of a corps what the Tigers.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Have right now. Yeah, but they could have.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: The Tigers built. The Tigers built this whole corps originally
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: around Casey mis Jackson, Joe. There was like there was
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: like three like prime pitching candidates exactly what the Pirates
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: are doing. Yeah, but I'm talking position wise, Riley Green, Spencer, Torkleson,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Kerry Carpenter, Harry Carpenter, Parker Meadows. They've already had bias right.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, why did they have what they're better players
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: than what the Pirates have. Why don't why don't the
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Pirates ever make any position players ever since? I mean,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: key Brian Hayes, they paid him, what's happened with that?
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I mean they were like, Oh, this is going to
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: be the real deal, Ryan Reynolds, O'Neill, O'Neil Cruz, Like
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: they had guys that were going to be the guys
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: they drafted Henry Davis one to one somewhere in there,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: somewhere in the drafting to the developing guys to be
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: big leaguers, they're falling flat.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: On their face in my opinion. Well, that's my point.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: The Tigers have better players. That's why the Pirates can't
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: do this. Because the Tigers have better players. Whether there's development, draft,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, they have better players
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: than the Pirates do.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm saying, if the Pirates spent like the
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Tigers spent this past offseason, is there a chance that
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: they'd be involved.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: They'd be better than what they are right now. Of course,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: they'd be better if they.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Brought in another good starting pitcher, a starting infielder, and
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: some other couple bullpen pieces. Absolutely, they'd be better, but
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: they're not gonna do that. So, I mean, it sounds
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: great to talk, well, they're never they're not going.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: To do it.
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: Twenty twenty one.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: By the way, when they picked Davis Jackson, Job was
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: picked by the Tigers third overall. Obviously Job is now
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: going to be out for a season and a half,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: but he's got a chance to be a top end starter.
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Tigers have been doing it right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, Henry Davis wasn't a catcher, and then
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: they tried to make him a catcher. He could hit
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: when he wasn't catching ice catching, and he can't hit.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: It's like the turn is it, He'll change. You can't
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: miss on one one. I'm sorry, you cannot miss on
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: one one.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: I agree one other thing and you can definitely comment
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: on this. We talked about it for a second the
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: other day. We've got Yankees Red Sox again this weekend.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Fox Sports had announced after last weekend that they had
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: three million plus viewers for Baseball Night in America, highlighted
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: of course by Red Sox. Yankees don't overlook AJS.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: SI, don't overlook by Brewer game.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: It was actually a great game.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: But it was actually a lot better of a game.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yes it was that.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: The other one was ten that's.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Included in there by the way, I just want to
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: know our ten homes that watched. I know, but I
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: think we went to three point seven percent of the country.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, but it was the most watched regular season telecast
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: on any network since two thousand and two. There's all
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: kinds of good stuff, and you knows. The press releases
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: are what they are. The team, you know, I read through,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: most watched since a game between those two and twenty
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: twenty two. It was their best performance for a Saturday
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: telecast since a June twenty eighteen game between the Cubs
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: and the Cardinals, and that overall viewership is up sixty
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: one percent over last year's average. So ratings are up
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: and Yankees Red Sox still sells.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: People always ask listen, people always ask why do they
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: only do the Red Sox and the Yankees? Because people watch,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: people watch. Every time they put it on, people still watch.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: That's why listen players complain all the time, Well, we
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: got Friday Night Apple, we got Saturday Fox, and we
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: got Sunday Night Baseball. Guess what if you're on a
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: crappy team. Guess that you don't get Friday Night Apples,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Saturday Night Fox, Sunday Night ESPN. Trust me, I was
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: on the White Sox, I was on Twins. We weren't
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: on any of that stuff. But we weren't very good.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: We were good, we got we stuck in on those.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: And then you have the other side where there's players,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: even in the playoffs, would be like, oh, we're playing
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: the early game.
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: It's like, what do you want?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: You want to Brewers, Rockies, guess that you're getting. You're
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: getting the one PM game. I'm sorry you are. I'm
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: sorry you are. You're getting the one. You're getting the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: early You're getting the early slot.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: That is a big whaf for me too. You play
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: when you play. But also, this is just how money works.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: It'd be like complaining about anything else in life.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Like, there's about seven teams probably in MLB that that outrate.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: It's Bats, Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Cubs, Cardinals, Phillies. Phillies
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: are good and then Giants when they're good you can
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: throw them in. So there's eight right there that outrate
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: every pretty much everybody across the board. Sorry, that's just
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: the way it works. That's why when you turn on
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Sunday Night Baseball, Fox, Saturday, Apple, they try to get
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: those teams.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: But see then you look at Toronto. Toronto's never on those.
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: That's a different story because they don't you don't get half.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: The ratings because they're they're in Canada.
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: So that's why you never see them on that stuff.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: But that's different.