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Raptors: Real Contender Or Mirage · Front Runner Podcast Collective

• 0:13
  FROC Host Vince Carter: What's good everybody?
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• 1:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So we're here today because it is a couple days before Thanksgiving.
• 1:48
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• 1:51
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• 2:34
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• 2:42
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• 2:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, what I also want to talk about today is all the things we are going to talk about, which we're gonna start off, we're gonna start off in the northern area of North America.
• 3:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We are going to go to Toronto, we're gonna talk about what's going on with the Raptors there in first place.
• 3:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I can't believe it.
• 3:10
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• 3:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So we're gonna do that.
• 3:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We're also gonna talk about the Sacramento Kings and the decision that they have come to uh find out for themselves in the epiphany that their general manager or executive of player personnel, um, Mr.
• 3:32
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• 3:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So we're gonna talk about that as well.
• 3:36
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We're also gonna talk about the John Morant Clay Thompson situation.
• 3:40
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That was awesome, and then we're gonna end it off with some NBA things to be thankful for.
• 3:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So we're gonna talk about some teams at the top of the heat, and then we're also gonna talk about some teams at the bottom, and what they have to look forward to, and what they should get given thanks for.
• 3:59
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So, do we have a really packed show?
• 4:01
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• 4:05
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• 4:07
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• 4:15
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• 4:51
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• 4:59
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• 5:00
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• 5:05
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• 5:13
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• 5:21
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• 5:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I probably will be live tweeting sometime um this week will be hard because of Thanksgiving.
• 5:38
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• 5:39
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• 5:42
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• 5:46
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• 5:49
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• 5:52
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• 5:54
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• 5:58
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• 6:07
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• 6:13
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Thank you very much for being with us today and throughout the year, and we just don't do regular season, postseason basketball.
• 6:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We go straight through.
• 6:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So we go through the free agency, we go through the summertime, we kind of allow the free agency to happen, and then we will go ahead and assess what goes on.
• 6:37
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• 6:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So let's get into this podcast, shall we?
• 6:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And we are going to start at the sixth.
• 6:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We're gonna start at Toronto, and um you look at the Toronto Raptors, and they're sitting right now at 13 and 5.
• 7:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They're second in the East, they're sixth in offense, they're sixth in defense, and they're fifth in their net rating at a plus six point nine.
• 7:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They're scoring 120 a night, and they're giving up 113.
• 7:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And the spreadsheet people will tell you this looks like a lot more than a real team than a cute start.
• 7:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And the funny part is is that every big piece that's driving this this ascension to the top of the Eastern Conference is uh Brandon Ingram, Emmanuel Quickley, RJ Barrett, and Jakob Pertle.
• 7:45
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Those are Messiah Ajiri decisions.
• 7:49
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Those decisions lie with Messiah Jerry who is now gone.
• 7:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Those are the gambles that were getting questioned a year ago.
• 7:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Ownership just fired Messiah Jerry this offseason while his work is sitting at 13 and 5 with an elite profile.
• 8:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, Bobby Webster, who took over for Messiah Jerry, is now in charge.
• 8:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And you know, I don't live in Toronto, so if somebody wants to break me off uh uh you know a DM or hit me up on Twitter to let me know some of the things maybe they were tired of Messiah Jerry, maybe they just they thought that he had ran his course, but to see all these moves pay off, and remember, we didn't get to see Brandon Ingram in a Raptors uniform last year when he got traded, he was hurt, so we didn't see him for the rest of the year, and now that you see this team all put together with Scotty Barnes and the rest of the crew, and they're 13 and 5.
• 8:55
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It seems like the decisions that were made were made with this in mind.
• 9:03
  FROC Host Vince Carter: On the floor receipts are loud.
• 9:07
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The most used starting lineup in the league has already logged a hundred and s over a hundred and sixty minutes together, and they're outscoring teams by five points per 100 possessions.
• 9:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They're putting up an offensive rating north of 121 with an assist rate around 68%.
• 9:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's not just vibes, that's functioning offense built around mid-range killer who supposedly stops the ball.
• 9:37
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You saw it against Cleveland, the machine was ugly, the team hit five threes all night, and Brandon Ingram still walks off with 37 points on 30 shots.
• 9:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, after the game, he said, Whatever the team needs on a nightly basis, I am willing to do.
• 9:56
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That is your high usage wing coming off an ankle layoff, casually soaking up the old school shot diet, so Scotty Barnes can fly around and putting up 18 and 11 and 6 on absurd efficiency.
• 10:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Meanwhile, the identity stuff, the identity stuff is real.
• 10:17
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They play fast, but they don't play sloppy.
• 10:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They're top 10 at forcing turnovers and they're top 10 at limiting their own giveaways.
• 10:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The best assist to turnover ratio in the league goes to your Toronto Raptors.
• 10:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And nobody is getting out in transition like they were they are.
• 10:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They're 5-1 against teams that are under 400, meaning they're just beating teams that they're supposed to beat, which is exactly what an actual good team is supposed to do.
• 10:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Right?
• 10:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You're supposed to beat the teams to hell that are so that are inferior to you and your talent.
• 11:00
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But the cracks are in the math.
• 11:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The opponents are shooting 32% from three, one of the lowest ranks in the league, while the Raptors are hitting almost 39% on relatively low volume.
• 11:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They're below average on the glass, or with or without Yaakka Purdle, and they haven't touched the West Coast as of yet.
• 11:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They played two games against the top six records in the league, and they have been they've gotten handled in both.
• 11:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So I don't want to get over my skis when I talk about the Raptors, and I'm definitely wanting give them kudos for what they've done, but also we also have to keep in mind that the resume is still flawed.
• 11:50
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So tonight, this isn't about the Raptors for real, it's about what Masai built this version of the Raptors to be, and Bobby Western and this group have an elite net rating, a clear identity, a mid-range star, and a rising to do everything forward, and some real statistical red flags that we're about to unpack right now.
• 12:18
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Are we looking at a foundation of the next real contender in Toronto or extremely well-built 50 way 50 win mirage that will be going to force Bobby to make hard decisions that Messai never did?
• 12:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So again, Messai's gone.
• 12:38
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Those are the people that he brought in, those are the people that Bobby Webster are in a sense inherited.
• 12:50
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Ownership moved on from Messiah after those moves began bearing fruit.
• 12:55
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Obviously, 13 and 5, second in the east was a 6.9 net rating, which is pretty good.
• 13:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Scotty Barnes, 24 years old, true shooting percentage 0.589.
• 13:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: His box plus minus is a positive 4.6.
• 13:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: His a win share of 48 of 0.168, which is early franchise cornerstone case.
• 13:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Obviously, this is the dude that you're trying to build around.
• 13:22
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Brandon Ingram was 28.
• 13:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, when he first got brought over, I was wondering how this is gonna work.
• 13:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And I always you know me.
• 13:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I'm always gonna ask and champion the young guy's cause, right?
• 13:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: How does this affect uh Grady Dick, and how does this affect you know the younger players that they have?
• 13:41
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Turns out he was probably the steady influence that the Toronto Raptors need.
• 13:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: His true shooting percentage is uh 58.5%, his usage is 27.1.
• 13:53
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Um is it high usage mid-range hub?
• 13:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Yeah, is he a potential number two option?
• 14:01
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Yeah, and the best part about this is is that when Brandon Ingram was in New Orleans, and we talked about this last season, there was a thought, or just kind of just rumblings with inside the locker room and around that building, that Brandon Ingram wasn't excited about his role on the team.
• 14:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And what I mean by that is that he was not seen as the number one.
• 14:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Zion, who is institutionally out of the lineup for pretty much half the time, was always seen as the number one whether he was there or not.
• 14:44
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Brandon Ingram could not get that role from him, it was an absolute stranglehold by Zion, and you know he was frustrated with just some of the things that were going on there.
• 14:55
  FROC Host Vince Carter: When you go to Toronto and it's a new team, even though Scotty Barnes is four years your junior, you understand that this is Scotty Barnes' team.
• 15:06
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's entrenched there, so you have to fall back into that second role, which I think that Brandon Ingram was ready to go ahead and embrace that role now.
• 15:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And I think that's one of those situations where you sit there and you go, Hey, I'm on my third team.
• 15:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I started with the Lakers.
• 15:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I was I was caught up in the LeBron nonsense.
• 15:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I go to to New Orleans thinking that I'm gonna get a fresh start.
• 15:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Here comes Zion.
• 15:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He I'm thinking him and I become this like one-two duo, this Batman and Robin, it never comes to fruition.
• 15:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I'm always politicking or asking for a significant role with inside the offense with the New Orleans Pelicans, Willie Green, who's now fired, you know, make sure that I'm not I'm relegated to like the second man, and now he's in Toronto.
• 16:06
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So I think personally this is one of those situations that he is falling into the role that he was always meant to have.
• 16:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That leads us to Isaiah Emmanuel Quickly.
• 16:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Why did I want to call him Isaiah?
• 16:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Emmanuel Quickly, 26, uh true shooting percentage, 58.9, heavy three-point attempts, his assist percentage is 25.7, he has an offensive box plus or minus of 1.5.
• 16:36
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is a profile of a starting guard.
• 16:40
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now he might not be your table setter that you're used to, your traditional guy that sits there and gets you nine assists a game and things of that nature.
• 16:49
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But what he's doing is he's providing the spear, uh, he's the tip of the spear on the defensive end, highly active there, and then also he's providing a spark on the offensive end with decent efficiency uh for somebody of Emmanuel Quickly's elk.
• 17:07
  FROC Host Vince Carter: RJ Barrett is kind of the one guy that we have waited and waited and waited for.
• 17:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now he is a Canadian, which also gives him a little more leeway and grace than maybe uh we are not accustomed to.
• 17:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He did not get it in New York City, which, you know, if you look at the numbers, they bear out.
• 17:26
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He shoots over 50%, his effective field goal percentage is uh 57.2, his true shooting percentage, this is this is where the key has come in.
• 17:36
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He is over 60%, he's 60.4, and he has a usage rate of 2424, which is great.
• 17:44
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is where RJ Barrett needs to be.
• 17:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is the most efficient version version of RJ Barrett that we've ever seen.
• 17:53
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Bobby's leverage to the hot start is to lock in the team-friendly deals or quietly gauge trade market peak value.
• 18:01
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And here's the thing: I've heard that RJ Barrett is on the market, and I'll tell you why.
• 18:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: His defense.
• 18:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, RJ Barrett might be a lot of things.
• 18:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This efficiency uh spike that he's had this year is not is not common.
• 18:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So you're looking at a situation where if you are looking to move him, this might be the best way to do it because we are striking when the irons are hot.
• 18:30
  FROC Host Vince Carter: If Webster is going to go ahead and do that, who's the chip?
• 18:37
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Who's the untouchable?
• 18:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Who's crying to do what we actually want want to be tied to?
• 18:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And when Barnes hits his peak.
• 18:46
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That the lineup that we spoke of that has done 166 minutes with a plus five per 100 and an offensive rating of 121.5 also has an assist percentage of 67.9%.
• 19:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's a leak ball movement, despite the high usage wing score in Ingram.
• 19:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: What goes on there is that again when they need him to do more, you know, whether it's efficiency or not, he can do it.
• 19:26
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He did it against Cleveland.
• 19:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: 37 points on 30 shots, crazy.
• 19:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Uh teammates were five of 25 from 3.
• 19:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So he went to work.
• 19:37
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Porto, on the other hand, he is shooting 73.8% from the field.
• 19:44
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, obviously, he his buckets are coming from within three feet of the basket.
• 19:50
  FROC Host Vince Carter: His true shooting percentage right now is uh 0.721.
• 19:53
  FROC Host Vince Carter: His win share per 48 is 0.197.
• 19:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is ultra-efficient finisher, screen and roll guy that you will want from your pick.
• 20:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And basically, you know what you got in your bench, and you know what you got in your starters, which is awesome.
• 20:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Do we think this is real?
• 20:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, unfortunately, I gotta look at this and go, Well, who you have you played?
• 20:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Who have you played?
• 20:22
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Oh, you beat up on the teams that were that were um a lottery bound?
• 20:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, that's great, right?
• 20:30
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You need to get some confidence before you start playing these teams.
• 20:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is kind of like the um, if you want to look at it as like a college football reference, this is kind of like the SEC teams that play the directional schools, and then they go ahead and play their conference schedule and or like a Big Ten team that schedules like a Central Michigan or Toledo, no offense to Toledo or Central Michigan, but y'all know who you are, and if you're playing Ohio State, you're probably gonna get smashed, right?
• 21:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: What makes this team or what makes us think that this team is doing things in a way where it will continue to invoke winning?
• 21:18
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, we talked about the the assist percentages or what have you, the locker room vibe players talk about the right way habits more than individual numbers or contract gears.
• 21:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Barnes leap in the lane becomes the loudest voice.
• 21:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's the defensive quarterback, cementing this is my team without saying it.
• 21:40
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And obviously, with the more efficient quickly, you're seeing just better ball movement, and also what you're seeing in this new system by the uh coach that's been here a couple years, is that you're seeing just a more efficient offense, and you're seeing better shots being taken by the Toronto Raptors.
• 22:01
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know, the mic the macro profile is the offensive rating at a hundred and nine hundred and nineteen point six.
• 22:07
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We talked about that, we talked about their net rating, what have you.
• 22:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is the other thing that we kind of need to get to.
• 22:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And we brought it up in the beginning, but I want to drive this home.
• 22:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Opponents are shooting 32.3% from three, which is third worst opponent percentage.
• 22:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Is it likely part of the scheme or is it variance?
• 22:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And what I mean by that is that sometimes your three-point shooting or your opponent's three-point shooting is more luck than it is your scheme.
• 22:45
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We can look at the thunder, we can look at a couple other teams, and we know that's not luck.
• 22:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We know that their ability to run people off the three-point line is real, it's legitimate, because we got a lot of wings that get out from the paint and are able to quickly get back in and continue to clog up the paint and allow and not allow people to get just runway to the basket.
• 23:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But with Toronto, we still need more of a sample size, and we also would like to see it on better competition as well.
• 23:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Cause again, the two games they played with the versus the top six records, they were both decisive losses.
• 23:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So, I mean, these are things that we're gonna have to see as the year plays out.
• 23:38
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But are you excited about the 13 and 5 in the top top six offense and defense?
• 23:44
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Is this uh something that you think is institutional, or is this something that oh, we're just doing this, and then as we get better competition, is are these numbers gonna start to fall off as well as our record?
• 23:59
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, you come to the right place if you're thinking that I'm gonna give you the answer or whatever the case may be because I'm going to try to do that for you.
• 24:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: What we like to see next here at FRPC.
• 24:11
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So let's put it all together on paper.
• 24:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is the best version of the Raptors we've seen since the title after Glow faded.
• 24:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: 13 and 5, second in the east.
• 24:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We talked about their net rating, it's crazy.
• 24:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, that's contender contendership adjacent.
• 24:30
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Not playing noise, right?
• 24:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Because here's the thing.
• 24:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: There's enough bad teams for Toronto to beat up on for them to get to the playoffs.
• 24:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The improvement is coming in the from the real basketball thing.
• 24:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Starting five is no longer dragging you into the early holes that they were, because here's the thing: they are able to get good quality shots when needed, and also having Brandon Ingram as a stopper.
• 24:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And what I mean by that is that if the other team, the opponent, is on a run, it is very hard for you to stop bringing Brandon Ingram to get to his spot and then be able to get a comfortable shot up for him.
• 25:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He is a tough shot taker, and he's also a tough shot maker, and he's gonna do a lot of his damage in that mid-range, and it's probably gonna be contested, which is great because he's got this like crazy wingspan, and you know they say he's 6'8.
• 25:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I think he's probably a little bit taller than that, and I think he has like a seven foot five wingspan, which is crazy long, which invokes the 121 plus offensive rating that they have, and the sky high assist rate.
• 25:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, as we continue to move along, is this going to be the score they haven't had since Kawhi Leonard, where he's hitting over 50% from 10 feet to the arc?
• 26:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Or is these numbers gonna come down to normal as we get into better competition that they have not faced as of yet?
• 26:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, it all depends on your ancillary talent.
• 26:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So if quickly numbers are screaming real starting point guard, and RJ is giving you the most grown-up efficient season that he's shown in his entire career before the knee tweak, then the identity is sharp.
• 26:36
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They force turnovers, they they value the basketball, they share it at a level that usually you only see in veteran groups, and they live in transition without playing dumb.
• 26:50
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Those are the kind of habits that tend to survive when the schedule gets nasty and the shooting cools off.
• 26:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: If Scotty Barnes is going to be able to live in the passing lanes, if Emmanuel Quickly is going to be the tip of the spear when it comes to your defensive uh going after guards and things of that nature, and you're gonna have enough uh athletic ability to stay in front of your man, then we're going to have a good looking team for quite some time.
• 27:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Do I think this team is going to end up second in the East?
• 27:30
  FROC Host Vince Carter: No, I do not.
• 27:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Do I think this team can end up within the top six?
• 27:36
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Meaning that they are not a playing team.
• 27:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Yes, I do.
• 27:40
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I think if these if you keep these habits up with the defense, you allow Brandon Ingram to be Brandon Ingram, which they did not want him to be in New Orleans.
• 27:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They wanted him to expand his shot diet and shoot more threes.
• 27:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, I will tell you I am a proponent of that situation.
• 28:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But Brandon Ingram wants to live here.
• 28:06
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He wants to live in this mid-range, he wants to take these tough shots.
• 28:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It's all well and good until they stop going in.
• 28:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And that was the problem in New Orleans.
• 28:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, did he have the type of talent around him in New Orleans that he does in Toronto?
• 28:22
  FROC Host Vince Carter: On paper he did, but were they available to be on the court?
• 28:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That was another question.
• 28:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: These guys are playing, so he's getting to work with these guys consistently.
• 28:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He knows where they are on the court, they know where he's gonna be on the court, and this is what it's gonna look like.
• 28:41
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So for what Grandin Agram is able to do, this is good, and this could work.
• 28:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But the receipts on the other side matter.
• 28:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Just as much.
• 28:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The opponents are stuck around 32% from three, and that never holds in an 82-game season.
• 28:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The Raptors own three-point percentage is inflated by low volume.
• 29:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And here's the thing: they're gonna need Grady Dick, they're gonna need a manual quickly to start hitting more threes, or at least increase their uh their three-point attempts.
• 29:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The rebounding is below average across the board.
• 29:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And when Co Porto and Barnes sit, the glass gets scary in a hurry.
• 29:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, we'll see what we'll we'll see what our guy Bobby Webster does.
• 29:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Again, they're 5-1 against bad teams, they're 0-2 against good teams, and the West World Gauntlet doesn't even start until that Laker game on January 18th.
• 29:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So we are still more than a month away than when the true test really begins.
• 29:50
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So where does this leave us?
• 29:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: For me, this is kind of this looks like a legitimate 50 win team, a hard out with a chance to be more.
• 29:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: If three things happen.
• 29:59
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Happen one Scotty Barnes keeps leveling up into an unquestioned two-way engine of the team, meaning he keeps his defensive intensity and also still continues to value the basketball.
• 30:13
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The other thing that I'm looking for is at least one of quickly or RJ Barrett becomes a consistent closing option that can punish the playoff defenses.
• 30:26
  FROC Host Vince Carter: 3.
• 30:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Bobby Webster either fixes the rebounding problem with a smart in-season move or doubles down on the internal answers like Sandro Mamas Killis Reely or Colin Colin Marik Borrow Boyles and my uh pick to click is Colin Murray Ball Boyles.
• 30:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Okay, he is a absolute bowling ball with knives on his body, and I think that's the guy that they have to unleash a little bit.
• 30:56
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, if Grady Dick also can shoot better and shoot more threes and get open looks, this team will hang around.
• 31:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, are those a lot of ifs?
• 31:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Yes, they are.
• 31:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Do we have a lot of um data that points out that this can happen?
• 31:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, we don't because we've never seen it from any of these guys.
• 31:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Scotty Barnes is the more is the most like okay, we've seen it from him, right?
• 31:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's the guy mostly we can say we've seen it from Brandon, even Brandon Ingram, who has never played more than like 64 games, we're gonna need to see what he's doing now throughout the rest of the year for us to really believe in what's going on.
• 31:45
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The 13-5 start helps.
• 31:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: There are real statistical red flags.
• 31:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: If this team is a is still a top eight team in net rating group after the West Coast trip, and the shooting luck has cooled off, when I'm ready to call them a real threat with my chest.
• 32:07
  FROC Host Vince Carter: If those crack widen and the story of this season becomes whether Bobby is willing to make a hard, non-sentimental decision, like Messiah waited too long to make, then we're gonna be in the same boat that we were in last year.
• 32:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: One of the things I said last year, or last season, I should say wasn't last year, it was last season, was that this is the most expensive like team that is going to just continue to make the plans I've ever seen in my whole entire life.
• 32:41
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And you would go, Well, that's not good.
• 32:45
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, you're right, it's not.
• 32:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We need something better.
• 32:49
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The good thing about this is is that they do have pieces that if they need to start loading off.
• 32:55
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, the here's the rub.
• 32:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Who is gonna take?
• 33:00
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I'm not saying it's gonna be Brandon Ingram, but who's gonna take RJ Barrett off your hands at his dollar amount?
• 33:06
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Who's gonna take Emmanuel Quickly off your hands at his dollar amount?
• 33:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Because you paid them for the production they're putting up right now.
• 33:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, we've not seen this in Emmanuel Quickly or RJ Barrett over the last two years, hence why they were in the lottery last year.
• 33:26
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So, if this is what it's supposed to be and really what locked it in was Brandon Ingram's mid mid-range game and able to also understand his role as a number two option, and then now allowing Scotty Barnes to be who he is, then great.
• 33:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Then everybody kind of falls into their slot, everybody kind of falls into their role, and everybody can get comfortable in that role, and they just can continue to cement and stack up days of consistency.
• 33:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: If not, if Brandon Ingram is the guy who we saw in New Orleans, where he's playing against better teams and whatever the case may be, then what's going to happen is that the good shooting percentages that we see right now are gonna plummet.
• 34:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And when they do plummet, then we're gonna find out what kind of team this is.
• 34:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Because the defense can't carry.
• 34:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, if you don't get the rebounds, and we got a lot of second chance opportunities by the opposition, then we're in real trouble here.
• 34:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I hope, and I think that Colin Murray Boyles is one of those dudes that as he continues to play through his rookie season, he's gonna garner more and more minutes, and also he's gonna garner more and more confidence, and if he can get that in and become kind of like a uh uh a less shooting version of Scotty Barnes and just be create havoc on the defensive end and grab rebounds for you, you're gonna be in a good spot.
• 35:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I like the kid, I think he's really good.
• 35:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I just don't know when it's gonna click for him.
• 35:11
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And does Bobby Marks take one of their pieces and he turn it into like two pieces?
• 35:18
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Is there any way that he can skim some of this salary that is exorbitant amount of money?
• 35:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The time will be able to be told.
• 35:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We don't know, but I hope for Toronto's sake, that what we're seeing that this this version of the Raptors that we're seeing, the numbers, the quotes, the feels, you know, you can believe in the core, and you can believe that they're a future contender.
• 35:45
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But my whole thing is this is that if for some reason you start to see this go south, be flexible.
• 35:55
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Be flexible like your your ex-executive player personnel wasn't.
• 36:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Cause he kept on doubling down.
• 36:06
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He was like, Well, I believe in Jakarta Purdo.
• 36:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, I'm gonna double down and I'm gonna get RJ Barrett and I'm gonna get Emmanuel quickly.
• 36:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Okay, this isn't working.
• 36:17
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So I'm gonna go get Brandon Ingram and pay him a contract with Site Unseen.
• 36:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: These were reckless moves.
• 36:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, right now it's paying off, but as soon as the slipperage comes, Toronto must pivot.
• 36:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They gotta stay flexible.
• 36:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Because here's the thing here's what you don't want to become, and we're gonna move on to that team that you don't want to become, but we got some good news for them too.
• 36:44
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You could be the Sacramento Kings.
• 36:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Do you want to be the Sacramento Kings of Canada?
• 36:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: No, you don't.
• 36:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I'm gonna speak freely a little bit about Sacramento.
• 36:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I have some uh I have some people in my life.
• 37:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: There are full-on Sacramento Kings siccos.
• 37:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: These are real light the beam disciples, these are people who still bring up 2002 Western Conference Finals and what and what happened.
• 37:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Um for a minute it looked like they finally had their playoff or payoff in De'Aaron Fox, ending a 16-year drought.
• 37:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Remember the trade for from uh Tyrese Halliburton to Demonis Sabronis.
• 37:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Sabronis is out here spraying dribble handoffs, and the building is feeling alive again.
• 37:40
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Light the beam became a thing, the purple little beam was in the sky, people loved it.
• 37:46
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It was let's hit the easy what the easy button, the staples easy button, or whatever the case may be.
• 37:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I know it wasn't that.
• 37:53
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I'm being facetious, but you know what I'm talking about.
• 37:56
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The vibes were real, everybody was happy, and we were making the playoffs in California State Capitol.
• 38:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, we fast forward like two and a half years later.
• 38:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Fox is gone, he is now in San Antonio.
• 38:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The roster has been gutted in a three-team deal where Zach Levine is now here.
• 38:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Mike Brown, who I don't know if he was scapegoat, I don't know what it was, but he's gone, and Doug Christie is in his place.
• 38:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, I don't have anything against Doug Christie.
• 38:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He was a former Laker, now he played for the Sacramento Kings for a lot longer than he was a Laker, as far as that's concerned, but he seems to be a tough guy, a no-nonsense guy, and accountability seems to be a overriding talking point by one Doug Christie.
• 38:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But when you have Zach Levine and DeMar DeRozan in the building, and you look like Chicago West, I got questions.
• 39:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Enter so into that mess walks in Scott Perry.
• 39:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: First year GM getting on the phone and saying the quiet part out loud.
• 39:22
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He tells you this season is about evaluation and about identity, about building a sustainable winner.
• 39:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He uses the word sustainable nine times in one interview.
• 39:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He talks about autonomy from Vivek, about having authority to make necessary decisions.
• 39:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He tells the fans straight up, Rome wasn't built in the day, so buckle up and be patient for the ride.
• 39:50
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is the kind of rhetoric we need out in Sacramento, okay?
• 39:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And if you're a Kings fan, that hits a nerve because the last time you heard patience, you were being asked to explain away the Tyrese Halliburton demonic subonis trade.
• 40:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: To believe that a Fox Subonis axis was the pathway to relevance.
• 40:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And how Halliburton is a full-blown star somewhere else, and Fox is gone now.
• 40:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And the only remaining piece of that puzzle is Demonisabonis, who is also right now, currently, hurt with a partial torn meniscus.
• 40:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's a tough bastard, though.
• 40:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So I don't know how long he's gonna be out.
• 40:36
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But you want him full healthy when he does come back.
• 40:40
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now Sacramento right now is 5 and 13.
• 40:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They're the reverse axis of what the Toronto Raptors are.
• 40:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's why I told Toronto, be very careful about what you do in the next three months.
• 40:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Be very careful if you start to see decline, if you start to see this thing go downhill, the rock is coming down the hill onto your village, you need to pivot and pivot quickly because you do not want to be this.
• 41:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, with that being said, let's get back to Sacramento.
• 41:13
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They are the 27th ranked offense, and they are the 26th ranked defense.
• 41:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You live through fake resets and half measures, you've seen legal pads full of we're changing the culture quotes, go nowhere.
• 41:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: My hope for the Kings fans in my life and the 2002 truthers that are still out there is that this is a version of honesty from Scott Perry that actually gives the franchise permission to stop chasing the next cute story and finally commit to a real multi-year build.
• 41:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Hold on to the young and the solid pieces and use the draft and your picks to make shrewd trades on vets like Vlavine, like DeMar DeRozan, and if you can get out from underneath the DeMontis Sabonis situation, you need to do that.
• 42:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And I'm gonna tell you exactly why.
• 42:13
  FROC Host Vince Carter: All the time.
• 42:22
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I love him.
• 42:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: His work ethic is great, his toughness is great, but here's the problem: if he is your starting center, he provides no rim protection whatsoever.
• 42:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: If he is your starting center, and you don't have a bunch of shooters, a bunch of them, then he's relegated to ineffective or effective enough to get you into play-in range and play-in range only.
• 42:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That is my point in this situation.
• 42:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, monks, when his value is right, in other words, stop living on old conspiracies and light the beam nostalgia and embrace the ugly, the necessary parts of building something that can be actually that can actually last.
• 43:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Tonight isn't a question about are the kings bad.
• 43:18
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We know they're bad.
• 43:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The 5-13 record tells us this.
• 43:22
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Their negative 11.1 net rating tells us this.
• 43:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Their bottom five offense and defense tells you all of what you need to know.
• 43:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The real question is does Scott Perry actually have the room?
• 43:38
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Cause you know Vivek is one of those dudes that loves to stick his nose into situations and start muddying up the waters.
• 43:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The plan, the pieces to turn this into a sustainable winner are is this just another king's regime that's asking you to be patient while we go ahead and just be on that hamster wheel.
• 44:03
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Just be on that hamster wheel of just redundancy that you guys have been on for such a long time.
• 44:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So let's get to all of this real quick.
• 44:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Fox forced his way out to San Antonio.
• 44:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Part of that reason was because Mike Brown got fired, and he didn't want to be the guy who got Mike Brown fired.
• 44:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I'm not saying he did or he did not.
• 44:26
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's for you for scholars, Sacramento scholars, to go ahead and uh ruminate about for eons.
• 44:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, he's in San Antonio, your return for this was in some called three-team trade menace toil that shouldn't have ever happened with Zach Levine.
• 44:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And you go, well, Zach Levine is, you know, he's okay.
• 44:55
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I tell you what, Chicago, the Chicago Bulls look a lot better without him.
• 45:00
  FROC Host Vince Carter: What does that tell you?
• 45:01
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Paris North Star repeatable says sustainable winning, not perennial playoff team in his first big interview.
• 45:11
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He explicit explicitly claims autonomy from the ownership.
• 45:17
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He says he has full authority to make necessary decisions, no lip service.
• 45:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now you have Demonisabonis with 94 million over the next two years.
• 45:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You got Zach Levine with a huge player option for $48.9 million, and you know he's gonna pick that up.
• 45:38
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And you got DeMar DeRozan, who's 36 years old.
• 45:41
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He has a partial guaranteed contract for next season, which is approximately $10 million of the $25.7 million that he signed for.
• 45:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, you also have Malik Monk, who is a diminutive uh six man, who is making forty one point seven million dollars over the next two seasons, including a 2027-2028 player option, meaning that if he wants to pick that up, guess what happens?
• 46:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So, these are the pieces that you have in your coffers to trade, these are the pieces in your in your in your cauldron of trade um alchemy that you have available to you, right?
• 46:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, market reality.
• 46:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Those vet deals are movable, but it's tricky.
• 46:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: How much can you get back?
• 46:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's the question of the day.
• 46:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, if you are looking at this and you're a Sacramento Kings fan, I want you to understand two things.
• 46:44
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You are not getting like we're not getting lottery picks back, dog.
• 46:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Okay?
• 46:49
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Not for Zach Levine.
• 46:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Cause here's the thing with Zach Levine, and I love you, Silla.
• 46:56
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know, I hey listen, if you've been with me for a long period of time, you know I'm eight clock all day, fours up, all of that.
• 47:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Bruin Nation, I'm there.
• 47:06
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know what I'm saying?
• 47:07
  FROC Host Vince Carter: McCrony got the boys playing well, they five and one.
• 47:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We're about to go to a tournament up near Sacramento Way anyway, and we're about to dominate up there.
• 47:17
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know, that's what I'm hoping for.
• 47:18
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We'll see.
• 47:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We'll see how it goes.
• 47:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Okay, we'll see how it goes.
• 47:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But Zach Levine has never truly understood who he was and what he was as a basketball player.
• 47:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And what I mean by that is that he's not a number one.
• 47:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I don't necessarily think he's a number two.
• 47:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I think he's better off as a number three.
• 47:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And a number three that gets a little less shots, a little less opportunity, he has to understand that he needs to share the sugar.
• 47:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Mean coming off that ball, stop pounding that ball for 22 seconds, looking for whatever angle he is trying to get to the basket, or some sort of 32-foot long-distance three-point shot.
• 48:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, DeMar DeRozan, I love the depth.
• 48:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know why?
• 48:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Not because he goes to USC, but I love the heart.
• 48:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I love what he's done.
• 48:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's been a basketball chameleon his whole entire career in the NBA.
• 48:22
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And what I mean by that is that he's always been a mid-range guy or whatever.
• 48:26
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But when he's needed to be a playmaker when he was in San Antonio and also in Chicago, he was that.
• 48:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: When he needs to get you a bucket, you know, and go off like go crazy and get you 30, he can do that.
• 48:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He rebounds pretty good for his size and also his age still.
• 48:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now the defense is not his calling card, right?
• 48:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That is not what he does, but he can play positional defense, and he can be where he needs to be in within the all the defensive scheme.
• 49:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You have Malik Monk.
• 49:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, Malik Monk might be the one piece that a lot of people want.
• 49:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: A lot of people love an energizer six man off the bench who can explode for 35 at any given point, and Malik Monk can do that for you.
• 49:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He might be the one piece that you can get like multiple things for i.e.
• 49:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: picks and young players or whatever the case may be.
• 49:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The person that I think will be hard to move is demonic bonus.
• 49:40
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Because you need to put him or place him in the exact right spot with the exact right team.
• 49:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Because you're not building around demonic bonus, what you're trying to do is put him in a situation where he can be additive, and those are hard to find because of what I said, right?
• 50:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The lack of rim protection that he provides, and then also the lack of outside shooting that if you do move him to the fourth spot, even though he is such an offensive creator and get you into great looks as a as an offense, it's hard because everybody's clogging the paint because we know what he is, and usually he's with another big that can't shoot either.
• 50:30
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, what do you have for as upside?
• 50:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, you own your first round pick next season.
• 50:36
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Congratulations.
• 50:37
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Congratulations on that.
• 50:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It is a good time to have that.
• 50:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We got some good dudes coming out from the Fox trade, you get a 2031 unprotected pick from the Minnesota Timberwolves and five second rounders to add to your war chest of stuff that you're gonna need.
• 51:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Perry's stated approach to use this season as an evaluation year, then makes moves that fit his sustainable vision and not quick fixes.
• 51:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The core business question is do you chase short-term credibility or with this vet group or treat it as a future trade chip around the younger core?
• 51:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's exactly what you do.
• 51:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You're looking at Keegan Murray, you're looking at uh my guy, I love Neek, that's my dude, I want him to do well, and I like Devin Carter.
• 51:40
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So I'm not looking at this and going, hey, let's go ahead and try to build around demonic bonus and see if we can strike lightning in a bottle who you know with somebody who's like not happy where they are.
• 51:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And here's the other thing that Sacramento needs to understand.
• 51:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They're never going to be a destination, they're never going to be the Los Angeles Lakers, and I know y'all hate that.
• 52:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I know y'all hate that.
• 52:06
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Okay?
• 52:07
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Don't hate us because we live in La La.
• 52:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Don't hate us because we are the entertainment capital of the world.
• 52:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is where all the IG models come to play.
• 52:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Don't hate us for that.
• 52:22
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It is what it is.
• 52:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So if you know that you are a mid-level market or whatever the case may be, or even a small market, you need to act accordingly to what you are.
• 52:37
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And you are a small market.
• 52:41
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Understand that.
• 52:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Be that, embrace that.
• 52:44
  FROC Host Vince Carter: What can you get for Zach Levine?
• 52:46
  FROC Host Vince Carter: What can you get for DeMar DeRozan?
• 52:49
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Those are the type of things that Scott Perry should be having conversations about.
• 52:53
  FROC Host Vince Carter: How quickly can you get Sabonis back to see what his value is going to be?
• 52:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And who is the team that would pull the trigger on DeMonis Sabonis?
• 53:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Another guy who you might be able to trade is Dennis Schroeder.
• 53:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Dennis Schroeder has been a good vet for the last four years.
• 53:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's been a good soldier wherever he's gone over the last four years.
• 53:17
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Right now, he's only shooting 39.6% from field goal total, and his true shooting percentage is 0.495.
• 53:26
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Terrible.
• 53:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is below average efficiency, and he got to pick it up.
• 53:30
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now you could sit there and spin this a different way.
• 53:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You can say, hey, we got Zach Levine, we got DeMar DeRozan, you know what I'm saying?
• 53:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And Dennis Schroeder, who normally is a guy who can inject energy into a group.
• 53:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Just got to a group to where he couldn't inject his energy into.
• 53:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But his last other stops might be a template of things to come if he was traded.
• 53:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So those are the things that you have to kind of prioritize, and those are the talking points that you need to throw out into the universe.
• 54:03
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Um, when you talk about Zach Levine, you talk about his three-point shooting, you talk about his athleticism, you stay away from defense, and you stay away from usage rate, and you stay away from assist percentages.
• 54:17
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Those are the things you stay away from.
• 54:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But you hone in on if you need a three-point shooter for spacing, Zach Levine is your guy.
• 54:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You can also say for somebody who's 30 years old and has some injury history, he's still pretty damn athletic.
• 54:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That means he can yak at the rim if given the chance.
• 54:37
  FROC Host Vince Carter: If he was on the second side or on the weak side of the offensive uh possession, and you have pretty good creators around him, oh, he would eat large in that role.
• 54:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The thing about it is that we know about Zach Levine is that he has never wanted to be in that role.
• 54:59
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So he would have to go to a team that would almost force him to be in that role.
• 55:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Like, hey, bro, I don't know what you think this is, but you're not that guy.
• 55:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You're not a number two for us.
• 55:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You're barely a number three for us because we got a young guy coming, or whatever the case may be.
• 55:17
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I don't know what that scenario is.
• 55:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I don't know what fit is out there for our guy, Zach Levine, but that is the type of guy that you have to go ahead and say, hey, this is where we are.
• 55:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, I'll tell you a team that might be in that zone for him, and it is the Los Angeles Clippers.
• 55:41
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, I'm not saying the Clippers are interested in Zach Levine, but they do need a score because they just lost a UCLA uh guy.
• 55:50
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They just looked, they traded him away to the Miami Heat, Norman Powell.
• 55:56
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So if you want to place one, replace one UCLA guy with another UCLA guy and say, hey, listen, you are our third to fourth option at best.
• 56:07
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You do understand that Kawhi Leonard is on this team.
• 56:11
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You do understand that James Harden is on this team, and we have a stud at center in a visa zubots.
• 56:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, if he decides, he looks around, says, I'm in Los Angeles, I love being here, you know, I went to UCLA, and I am going to love it in LA.
• 56:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: For sure, because it's not Sacramento.
• 56:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: No offense, Sacramento.
• 56:36
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That wasn't a shot at you.
• 56:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I'm just saying what Zach Levine might say.
• 56:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: If he decides that he can go ahead and accept the role that is given to him, you might be able to see the best out of Levine.
• 56:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And these are the things that Scott Perry need to be telling these GMs.
• 56:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Because here's the thing.
• 57:00
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Here is what you need to worry yourself about.
• 57:03
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Is Keegan Murray a guy or not?
• 57:07
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's had so many people around him.
• 57:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You give in lots of opportunities to Damonis Sabonis.
• 57:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You're giving lots of opportunities to De'Aaron Fox who's no longer there.
• 57:18
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now you got Zach Levine and Damar DeRozan who suck up all the possessions.
• 57:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Keegan Murray needs to fit you need to figure out if Keegan Murray's a guy.
• 57:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Also, Keon Ellis.
• 57:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, Keon Ellis, I would love to keep if I was you guys, right?
• 57:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But if for some reason you can get good draft asset value for him, go ahead and trade him.
• 57:41
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Because he's a really good point of attack defender.
• 57:44
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He can shoot the three at a really respectable rate, as far as on low sample size.
• 57:50
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And I think that's the type of guy that would be valued around the league, and you might be getting some like low-key, like interesting things back for him.
• 57:59
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The other guy is Neat Clifford.
• 58:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Okay, you are building around Neat Clifford, and you're saying to yourself, I don't know if Neat Clifford is a guy.
• 58:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We don't give a shit whether Neat Clifford is a guy.
• 58:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: What we do know about him is that he's a solid player, he's a solid rebounder, he's a connected piece, he can shoot the three, he's got a lot of tools.
• 58:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And for whatever the next iteration you're going to be, young cheat talent is something that you absolutely need.
• 58:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You need to get out of the business of older vets that are super expensive, and Neat Clifford is one of your brighter lights that you have on the squad.
• 58:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, you want to talk about who's going to like stir the plot for this team?
• 58:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, that's Doug Christie.
• 58:50
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Former king from the early 2000 glory days, and now, you know, he's in what the second-year head coach.
• 58:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Perry's assessment, calling Doug passionate, emotional, and a natural has natural leadership qualities and a deep love for this franchise.
• 59:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, he does.
• 59:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He acknowledges Doug is learning on the job as a second-year head coach, big learning curve.
• 59:17
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Christie's harsh realities uh in the press conference before the Douglas game, he showed frustration and urgency, but he's not delusional.
• 59:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And this is the quote that I loved with Scott Perry.
• 59:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He said, We're not where we want to be.
• 59:36
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We haven't shown the identity necessary to create sustainable a sustainable winner.
• 59:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's being honest.
• 59:44
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's being honest.
• 59:46
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I'm glad that somebody's finally being honest out there.
• 59:49
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Where does this all leave us?
• 59:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Tell you exactly where this leads us.
• 59:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It leaves us here.
• 59:56
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is where we land with the kings.
• 59:59
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Strip away all the nostalgia and the 2002 conspiracy theories and the beam memes and whatever the case may be.
• 1:00:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And just look at what is in front of you.
• 1:00:11
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It's a 5-13 team.
• 1:00:13
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Okay.
• 1:00:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You got a lot of vets on this team, like DeMar DeRozan, who's giving you 18.7% points per game.
• 1:00:22
  FROC Host Vince Carter: His true shooting percentage is 601.
• 1:00:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Zach Levine is around 20.5 a night.
• 1:00:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: With a true shooting percentage of 63.2.
• 1:00:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We're at the zenith of their value at this point.
• 1:00:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, do they have flaws and do they have warts?
• 1:00:38
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Absolutely.
• 1:00:38
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But this is the zenith of their value, and you need to get whatever it is that you can't.
• 1:00:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So can you get a second draft guy?
• 1:00:46
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Can you get younger?
• 1:00:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Can you get more maybe like lower level first round picks?
• 1:00:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Can you get maybe some second round picks to add to your coffers?
• 1:00:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It's not gonna be a haul, it's not gonna be a very, very attractive haul.
• 1:01:03
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Okay, you got a two dudes in your thing that you can definitely trade for hauls, right?
• 1:01:11
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And one of them is hurt, and again, I will say to you, the one that's hurt, he's gotta go to a specific situation for it to all work.
• 1:01:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I do have a team that I'm very intrigued by.
• 1:01:30
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I want to give it away for a second, but give me a second.
• 1:01:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Malik Monk is also another guy that is a real shooter.
• 1:01:38
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But you're building this around Keegan Murray, Keenon Ellis, and Neat Clifford.
• 1:01:44
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I don't know what you're gonna get out of Max Renault.
• 1:01:46
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I have no idea.
• 1:01:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But he's 7'2, he's young, and hopefully there's some promise and some up some uptick ability going on there.
• 1:01:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Your Scott Perry's mission, if he chooses to accept it, is can he sell Zach Levine?
• 1:02:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I think that he would be able to get off of Damar DeRozan, and can he find a way?
• 1:02:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And this is where we get into trades and whatever the case may be.
• 1:02:22
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You already went to the well with San Antonio once.
• 1:02:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Is there a way where you could go ahead and trade Demonisabonis to the San Antonio Spurs?
• 1:02:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now he doesn't really fit the timeline personally, but you see they already have Darren Fox there.
• 1:02:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He kind of not necessarily fits the timeline either.
• 1:02:45
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But the one thing that Demonisabonis does there is that he provides a toughness next to Victor Wingbyama that they don't necessarily have.
• 1:02:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Right?
• 1:03:00
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's an undersized center, which, if Victor is hell-bent on shooting threes, or whatever the case may be, and just being a freak of nature, he is your rim protector, where then Demonic Sabonis is not gonna look like an absolute sore thumb.
• 1:03:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's not gonna stand out and he's not gonna embarrass you.
• 1:03:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But what he is gonna do is get you into great offensive sets.
• 1:03:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He also has a synergy with Darren Fox if you decide to keep him long term or even short term, you can continue to increase the value of what De'Aaron Fox is and what that entity is going to be.
• 1:03:45
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So, what can you get back for DeMontis Sabonis in that deal?
• 1:03:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, you're looking at like Keldon Johnson, you're also maybe looking at the contract of Harrison Barnes.
• 1:03:56
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I understand Sacramento, that's not what you want, but guess what?
• 1:04:01
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You need to take that shit back.
• 1:04:03
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Can you get a first-round pick?
• 1:04:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know, is there another first-round pick that you can get?
• 1:04:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Yeah.
• 1:04:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But this is the type of place where he could demonstrate the wellness could thrive in.
• 1:04:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Like, yeah, Phoenix would probably love him too, but the problem is they don't have another center who is a rim protector who can also shoot the three.
• 1:04:26
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Okay?
• 1:04:26
  FROC Host Vince Carter: A visa Zucbox is not that guy in in Los Angeles with the Clippers, so you know you don't have that.
• 1:04:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Right?
• 1:04:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Demonisabonis in Golden State sounds great.
• 1:04:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They already have a guy who does all the things that he doesn't also doesn't shoot from the outside.
• 1:04:45
  FROC Host Vince Carter: His name is Draymond Green.
• 1:04:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So it's a specific fit of where Demonis Sobonis needs to go.
• 1:04:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And I'm trying to tell you that you need to go back to the well and talk to the San Antonio Spurs and see what the hell you can do.
• 1:05:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Because here's the thing they might want to accelerate their window.
• 1:05:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Not saying they are looking to do that, I'm just saying they might.
• 1:05:13
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You gotta have those talks.
• 1:05:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So we're just as a leaves.
• 1:05:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We got a couple things, a couple more things that we need to get to, and I'm actually kind of excited about this one.
• 1:05:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Um it wasn't long ago that John Morant and the Memphis Grizzlies were the darlings of the league.
• 1:05:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They were loud, they were brash upstarts out of Memphis, Tennessee.
• 1:05:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The new age, what we what want all the smoke version of the franchise that used to wear grit and grind like armor.
• 1:06:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is the name of the building that made its name on Mike Conley, Mark Gasol, Zach Randolph, Tony Allen, and that crew.
• 1:06:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That group earned respect by playing through pain, winning ugly, and backing up every word, something bloody on the scouting report.
• 1:06:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Jos version, you try to inherit the respect without walking the same road.
• 1:06:36
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Fast forward to right now, Josh 26, and instead of talking to us with his play, he's back in the headlines in street clothes, arguing with Curly Clay Thompson in the tunnel.
• 1:06:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Clay's line after the game was brutal and accurate all at the same time.
• 1:06:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He said, They asked him, what did Josh say to him?
• 1:07:03
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He said, Nothing of intelligent depth.
• 1:07:06
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's out there running his mouth.
• 1:07:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's been running his mouth for a long time.
• 1:07:13
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It's funny you run your mouth when you're on the bench, is kind of the story of his career so far.
• 1:07:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Leaving us wanting more.
• 1:07:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Leaving us wanting more.
• 1:07:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That is what Klay Thompson, the four-time champ, one of the greatest shooters ever, basically is telling you, you're a lot of talk and not enough tape right now, my guy.
• 1:07:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Yo, Klay Thompson sonned this dude.
• 1:07:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He sunned him.
• 1:07:49
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And guess what?
• 1:07:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's not wrong.
• 1:07:53
  FROC Host Vince Carter: There's nothing he said that you can't, there's nothing fraudulent.
• 1:07:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He told no lies in that statement.
• 1:08:00
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Because here's the thing.
• 1:08:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The receipts are here.
• 1:08:03
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It's not working.
• 1:08:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Ja won rookie of the year in 2020.
• 1:08:07
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He put a 17 point 17.8 points a game and 7.3 assists on 47% 47.7% shooting as a 20-year-old.
• 1:08:18
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And by the year three, he had exploded to 27.4 points a game and 6.7 assists.
• 1:08:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He was all NBA second team guy and top 7 in MVP with a 24.4 PER and a true shooting percentage of 0.575.
• 1:08:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He followed that up with a 26.2 per game scoring average and 8.1 assists the next year and another top 12 MVP finish.
• 1:08:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And it looked like the future, the face, the future face of the league was here.
• 1:09:00
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Okay?
• 1:09:01
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It did.
• 1:09:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, since then, it's been everything bug basketball.
• 1:09:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: 25 uh game suspension that happened a couple years back.
• 1:09:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Um flashing a gun on social.
• 1:09:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Another suspension this uh last season for um he threw up like gun fingers or whatever.
• 1:09:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Like clearly you don't you didn't read the room.
• 1:09:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Like you were in trouble for having gun Brandison guns on social media.
• 1:09:38
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You can't be sitting out here dunk doing like shotgun um paraphernalia or antics on the court.
• 1:09:46
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This season, my man has been uh suspended for conduct detrimental to the team, and now he has a right calf strain, keeping him out again.
• 1:09:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Over the last three seasons, he's played in 71 games total.
• 1:10:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This year, he's at 17.9 points a game on 35.9% shooting from the field and 16.7% from three.
• 1:10:18
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It's the lowest PER of his career, which is 12.7, and he's shooting a true shooting percentage with his absolutely god-awful, which is 0.77.
• 1:10:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is the least this is the least efficient version of Ja since he walked in the door the advanced metrics that used to screen superstar now have him underwater with a negative box plus minus.
• 1:10:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So when Ja pops into the into his teammates post-game interview and says, tell him who's the best shooter in the house, and it wasn't that bro from Golden State, and he's not even in uniform, that's not trash talk doc.
• 1:11:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's a player who has become a caricature of his own brand.
• 1:11:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Clay even drew the line between the error and said, I do actually have a lot of respect for the Grindhouse.
• 1:11:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Mike Connolly, Zach Randolph, Marcusall.
• 1:11:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That was a hard team to beat.
• 1:11:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This new team though, they just talk a lot.
• 1:11:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They always talk a lot.
• 1:11:37
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They never really back it up though.
• 1:11:40
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is Clay.
• 1:11:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Clay, one of the more reserved dudes in the league, just just talk, just tearing you down.
• 1:11:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, respect in this league is rented, it's not inherited.
• 1:11:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You don't get it, you don't get the same reverence as Connolly and Z Well just because you share the building.
• 1:11:59
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You earn it by giving the game your availability and your focus.
• 1:12:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Ja hasn't played more than 65 games since his rookie year.
• 1:12:11
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That was 67, by the way.
• 1:12:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He played in 67 games his rookie year, and then he has not hit, he has not touched 65.
• 1:12:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's missed a third of the season this season.
• 1:12:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now we're only 18 games into the season, so you do the math.
• 1:12:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He played 18, he's missed six.
• 1:12:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's 33% of the games he's missed.
• 1:12:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But that's a trend, though.
• 1:12:38
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's a trend.
• 1:12:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The numbers in the games played, the suspensions says it all, right?
• 1:12:44
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You're not the grim reaper of the West right now.
• 1:12:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You're a storyline in street clothes.
• 1:12:55
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And at this point, Brass should be the last word in his repertoire.
• 1:13:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The only acceptable energy is bunker mentality.
• 1:13:06
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I've embarrassed myself.
• 1:13:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I've let my team down, and when I want to when I get back, I'm standing on business and reminding this league who I actually am.
• 1:13:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's the kind of shit I want to hear from Jock.
• 1:13:22
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's the kind of stuff I want to hear.
• 1:13:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I do not want to hear all this, oh, Klay Thompson's a bum.
• 1:13:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Oh, by the way, that dude, that bum got four rings, bro.
• 1:13:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Four of them.
• 1:13:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You don't even have like a Western Conference Finals appearance.
• 1:13:40
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Think about that.
• 1:13:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: John Morant, who has signature shoes by Nike, right?
• 1:13:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He has incredible highlights in his early days.
• 1:13:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Cockback dunks on people, all of it.
• 1:13:59
  FROC Host Vince Carter: All of it.
• 1:14:01
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know this kid got talent.
• 1:14:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You everybody sees it.
• 1:14:07
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But all we get is rhetoric.
• 1:14:10
  FROC Host Vince Carter: All we get is all this bluster.
• 1:14:13
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's all we get from this kid.
• 1:14:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's getting a max deal right now.
• 1:14:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And he ain't living up to it.
• 1:14:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The early years justified it.
• 1:14:26
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We talked about the rookie of the year.
• 1:14:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We talked about the all-NBA second team.
• 1:14:31
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Uh, we talked about the we didn't talk about the most improved player.
• 1:14:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The top seven MVP finished in 2021-2022 at his peak.
• 1:14:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He was 27-4 per points per game, 6.7 assists, almost shooting 50% from the field at that point in time.
• 1:14:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Real superstar production type stuff.
• 1:14:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He followed up that season with 26.2 points per game with 8.1 assists and a 23.3 PER and a little less version of true shoot true shooting percentage, but we still was kind of like, well, Jos dope.
• 1:15:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Which was um uh.557.
• 1:15:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The problem is, again, when are you gonna play 65 games?
• 1:15:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: By the way, that's the standards for you to reach all these uh regular season awards and what have you.
• 1:15:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Like your shooting is terrible right now, and you can tell me all the things you want to tell me.
• 1:15:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, he is clearly upset in Memphis and he wants to be moved and all this.
• 1:15:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Well, guess what?
• 1:15:49
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Nobody's gonna want somebody who's shooting 16.7% from three.
• 1:15:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Nah.
• 1:15:55
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's not happening.
• 1:15:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, stylistic strength, he still has an elite first step.
• 1:16:01
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He can live in the paint if he wants.
• 1:16:03
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's he's an actual lob threat, and also then creates lobs for his bigs because of the pressure that he can put on the on the rim.
• 1:16:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He has high assist rates throughout his career, which he is at 36.4%.
• 1:16:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's still drawing fouls, his free throw rate is at 35.4%, shooting uh 5.8 free throw attempts a game, 90 94.2% free throw line, which is great.
• 1:16:37
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, the athleticism is still there, the rhythm, but the rhythm efficiency and the decision making have regressed, and the gap between Ja and the brand, and Ja, the box score, has never been wider.
• 1:16:55
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So you want to live up to the Conley, Gasol, Zebo, Tony Allen group, right?
• 1:17:01
  FROC Host Vince Carter: If you got Klay Thompson out here talking about you running your mouth, it's funny you run your mouth when you're on the bench, and that's a story of your career, leaving us wanting more, meaning him.
• 1:17:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Meaning Clay is saying, yo, bro, I thought you were gonna be better than this.
• 1:17:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And I'm just disappointed.
• 1:17:22
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Clay sounding like a like a like a TV father over here.
• 1:17:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I'm just disappointed.
• 1:17:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I thought you were gonna give us years of sports center dunks and stuff like that, but here you are sitting on the bench doing absolutely nothing again.
• 1:17:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And if you want to trade, these numbers that we're seeing are disturbing.
• 1:17:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, let's talk about the front office.
• 1:17:46
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I'm gonna tell you right now.
• 1:17:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Uh they saw Jaws as a franchise killer, that's why they gave him the max money.
• 1:17:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, if you're looking at him right now, I know that it's quite as kept.
• 1:17:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Zach Kleiman and the boys in Memphis right now are sitting there going, like, what are we gonna do?
• 1:18:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Because right now, if you trade him right now, you I mean, I know he's a name.
• 1:18:11
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I understand that people are gonna sit here and say, Well, it's John Morant.
• 1:18:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But I'm gonna tell you right now, these teams are cutthroat.
• 1:18:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They're gonna look at him like, uh, we'll give you a protected first round pick, maybe a quick swap, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:18:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And then uh we'll give you some contracts that are, you know, suspect to say the least.
• 1:18:37
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You're not getting the plumb prospects, you're not getting maybe a dude that has been kind of buried on the bench, but you know, your scouts have done like all the video work, and they're saying, like, yo, if we get him, if we can acquire this guy right here, he's gonna help us.
• 1:18:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is not what you're getting.
• 1:18:59
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You're getting basically the poo-poo platter of the team that you trade him to.
• 1:19:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: First, you rebuild the trust and the structure around him.
• 1:19:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Uh, better support, clearer boundaries, and you hold the line accountability.
• 1:19:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Okay?
• 1:19:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Hey, bro, we need you to play basketball.
• 1:19:17
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We need you to be about these this hoop life and not the thug life that you're trying to be about.
• 1:19:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Okay?
• 1:19:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That's the first thing that we need to talk about.
• 1:19:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Second thing is this stress test the entire timeline.
• 1:19:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Keep evaluating whether his habits and the health justify staying uh fully tethered to him.
• 1:19:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Here's the thing.
• 1:19:36
  FROC Host Vince Carter: What we're trying to do is get you to play basketball.
• 1:19:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Alright?
• 1:19:39
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We are trying to get you to play basketball so we can build up your trade value so we can get you up out of here.
• 1:19:46
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, the other thing is this is that he has a lot of the pieces around him that make him successful.
• 1:19:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Zach Edy is a 7'4 mountain of a man.
• 1:19:57
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He can set picks for Jaw, and then Jaw can get to the rim.
• 1:20:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Now, your shooting, your spacing has been compromised because at some point Zach Kleimer and the and the Bros in Memphis were going to pull the plug.
• 1:20:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And they traded Desmbay to Orlando and got four first-round picks, the whole deal.
• 1:20:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You are going to have to create spacing.
• 1:20:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So whoever it is that's on that bench, I don't know if it's Gigi Jackson.
• 1:20:30
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I know, you know, Jaron Jackson Jr.
• 1:20:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: can shoot it from the outside.
• 1:20:34
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You are going to have to put shooters around Ja.
• 1:20:37
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It might not work with your system completely that you are building right now, but we are trying to build trade value for Ja.
• 1:20:45
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Cause this 17.9 points per game and this 35.9 field goal percentage.
• 1:20:55
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is terrible.
• 1:20:56
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The 16.7% from three is god-awful.
• 1:21:01
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is not tradable.
• 1:21:03
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Unless you want absolutely nothing back, and you're just like, We'll we'll make our stand in the lottery.
• 1:21:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So John Moran in Memphis basically it's a question mark on paper.
• 1:21:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: This is still one of the most gifted guards we got in the league.
• 1:21:23
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But his performance over the last couple years is alarming.
• 1:21:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And the regression is so real right now that he has no trade value whatsoever.
• 1:21:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And that's when he is suiting up.
• 1:21:38
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Right now he's not even suiting up because of the the cap strength.
• 1:21:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So Klay Thompson voicing what a lot of veterans are thinking was a turning point.
• 1:21:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Again, talking about running his mouth for a long time.
• 1:21:52
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Again, talking about you're on the bench a lot.
• 1:21:56
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You're leaving a lot of us who love basketball kind of in a large right now, leaving us wanting more.
• 1:22:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Then the second punch.
• 1:22:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They're definitely not talking about Zach Edy.
• 1:22:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: They're talking about John Morant and John Morant only.
• 1:22:29
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Clay Thompson won four titles.
• 1:22:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Against the old grit and gr uh grind grizzlies in a playoff series that we know what it looks like, right?
• 1:22:41
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It was awesome.
• 1:22:43
  FROC Host Vince Carter: The passback is still here.
• 1:22:45
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It's not complicated.
• 1:22:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Even if it's hard, he has to stack seasons where most the cont the most controversial thing about him is his box score.
• 1:22:56
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Is he playing 70 plus games or close to 70 games?
• 1:23:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Is he back near 24 to 26 points a game or real efficiency and the assist rates and the pressure, the realm pressure that he provides most of the time is back in line with his prime?
• 1:23:14
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And no headlines involving suspension or detrimental conduct to the team.
• 1:23:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's gotta act like a professional.
• 1:23:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: He's gotta act like the things that Klay talked about.
• 1:23:28
  FROC Host Vince Carter: When you're a star, it comes with great responsibility.
• 1:23:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We hate to see that go to waste, but here we are.
• 1:23:37
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And you can tell me, hey, if you move him to the right team, all of all of this will be forgotten, and whatever the case may be.
• 1:23:45
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But here's the thing.
• 1:23:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You take you with you, and I know this for a fact.
• 1:23:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I am now almost nine years sober, right?
• 1:23:54
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And I don't want any awards for that, and no, I don't need any claps for that or anything like that.
• 1:23:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I spent 30 years of being a shithead.
• 1:24:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know?
• 1:24:03
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I drank, I lied, I cheated, I was devious, I was a deceitful person, I was just not somebody that you should should have been around.
• 1:24:13
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But I now carry that every single day, and I try to use that impact for good now.
• 1:24:20
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Like, I am trusted.
• 1:24:24
  FROC Host Vince Carter: People can count on my word, people can rely on me.
• 1:24:30
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I am a pleasure to be around now.
• 1:24:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I have a pretty good damn work ethic.
• 1:24:36
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Put in the time, put in the grind, and I don't ask for anything to be fucking handed to me.
• 1:24:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You don't have to give me anything.
• 1:24:45
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But it takes every day, and it takes one step at a time, every single day.
• 1:24:53
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You have now set a precedent, you have now have a a book on you, you know, whether you want to call this a couple to couple chapters or not.
• 1:25:08
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We haven't seen anything else but this.
• 1:25:12
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So you need to walk this down.
• 1:25:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You need to walk this down, so then there's more positive days than there are negative days.
• 1:25:25
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And there is a there's an absolute way for you to get back.
• 1:25:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: But it's gonna take you.
• 1:25:35
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So whether you trade him to Miami, or you trade him to Toronto, or you trade him, God forbid, you trade him to Sacramento.
• 1:25:44
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Ja is still going with Ja.
• 1:25:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Unless Ja changes.
• 1:25:50
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So y'all gotta just take that, understand that, and uh what have you.
• 1:25:59
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So I'm gonna hold off this last piece because you know what?
• 1:26:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We about 130.
• 1:26:03
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:26:04
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We about 130 in.
• 1:26:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Um, and I'm gonna hold this last piece to Friday because I think it's awesome what it is, and we'll update the numbers to make sure like everything is still relevant, whatever the case may be.
• 1:26:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So, let me go ahead and say this for you guys.
• 1:26:23
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• 1:26:27
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• 1:26:31
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• 1:26:40
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• 1:26:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Alright?
• 1:26:42
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• 1:26:52
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• 1:26:55
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• 1:26:57
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• 1:27:01
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• 1:27:05
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• 1:27:12
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• 1:27:14
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• 1:27:20
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• 1:27:29
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• 1:27:31
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• 1:27:33
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So with that being said, let's do this.
• 1:27:37
  FROC Host Vince Carter: First of all, I want to say happy Thanksgiving to everybody.
• 1:27:40
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Enjoy your time with your family.
• 1:27:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Enjoy uh good eats, good conversation.
• 1:27:46
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Uh, and hopefully you're getting back in touch with people that you hadn't talked to in a second.
• 1:27:51
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know, so enjoy your time, appreciate your time with your family.
• 1:27:55
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I hope everybody has a good one, and also have a safe one.
• 1:27:58
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:27:59
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And we're gonna leave you with this the best part of you is you.
• 1:28:02
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It's still you.
• 1:28:05
  FROC Host Vince Carter: It's not your record and it's not your feed, it's you.
• 1:28:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Surround yourself with people who give you light, insight, joy, and accountability.
• 1:28:16
  FROC Host Vince Carter: That is your real max deal.
• 1:28:18
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Appreciate them out loud.
• 1:28:21
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Don't wait for later that nobody has promised you.
• 1:28:26
  FROC Host Vince Carter: So make sure that you are FaceTime people, make sure you're texting people, make sure you know we're gonna get some FaceTime with some people for real this week, you know, this weekend.
• 1:28:38
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know, saying you're gonna watch a lot of football together.
• 1:28:41
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Put your hand on that person's shoulder and say, hey man, it's it's it's been a while, I haven't seen you.
• 1:28:47
  FROC Host Vince Carter: How's everything going?
• 1:28:48
  FROC Host Vince Carter: You know, let them know how much they've impacted your life in such a positive way, or whatever the case may be.
• 1:28:56
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Reconnect with those who have given you some positivity in your life.
• 1:29:01
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And if you're still looking for your hoop family, well, you got one here with us at FRPC.
• 1:29:09
  FROC Host Vince Carter: We joke, we overact, we get loud, but we respect your brain.
• 1:29:15
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Thoughts over takes every single time.
• 1:29:19
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And remember, anyone can yell a take, but very few can defend a thought.
• 1:29:27
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Until next time, keep your mind sharp, your heart open, and your circle tight.
• 1:29:32
  FROC Host Vince Carter: And remember, to protect your peace like cap space and never waste it on bad basketball or bad energy.
• 1:29:42
  FROC Host Vince Carter: I'm your host Vince, and again, happy Thanksgiving to those who are gonna celebrate it.
• 1:29:49
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Uh enjoy the turkey, enjoy all the fixings around it, enjoy your family, and we will see you back on this feed on Friday.
• 1:29:59
  FROC Host Vince Carter: Two susis, we out.