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Normally Podcast: Politics, Protests, and Parenting: What’s Driving Voters in Virginia and Beyond · Normally

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Speaker 1: Yuys.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's normally.
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Speaker 3: You're sure what normally it takes the when you me
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Speaker 3: Ki's weird. I am very Captani.
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Speaker 2: Carol Markoitz, How was your weekend, Mary Captain?
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Speaker 3: It was pretty good. It was busy, but you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm trying. I try to get some Halloween decorations up.
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Speaker 3: That's correct, it is October twentieth. But the great thing
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Speaker 3: about that is that you get a lot of things
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Speaker 3: half price if you wait till October twentieth.
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Speaker 2: So, oh, it's the plus and minuses. One year, I
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Speaker 2: waited too late and there was nothing left. Yes, like
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Speaker 2: you know, that's the minus part of that. Ours go
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Speaker 2: up October first, and I'm talking like, you know, September thirtieth.
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Speaker 2: My kids are like, can we.
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Speaker 1: Get them up?
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Speaker 3: I love it.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we don't have the Christmas decorations.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I love Halloween. I love Halloween, but I do
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Speaker 3: feel like as a child, Halloween and Christmas were very
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Speaker 3: far apart, and as an adult they are not. So
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Speaker 3: sometimes I'm just like, I'm tired, We're gonna do one
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Speaker 3: of these.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. My kids would so do Christmas
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Speaker 2: decorations if we allowed them. My daughter's always like, I
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Speaker 2: don't understand why they get to have the sparkly lights
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Speaker 2: they do.
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Speaker 3: You have a lot of sparkly lights.
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Speaker 2: Nothing will do with Jesus, I can't.
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Speaker 3: Eat alrighty, so well, shall we talk about the sparkly
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Speaker 3: events over the weekend? All right? Everybody gathered for the
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Speaker 3: No King's Marches, No King's Day? Are they calling it
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Speaker 3: that at any rate? People of the left who object
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Speaker 3: to Donald Trump and people of the rights who have
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Speaker 3: joined them went out to protest this weekend. Look, I
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Speaker 3: think the left often gets too much credit for being
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Speaker 3: mostly peaceful, as we saw in twenty twenty, But it
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Speaker 3: looks like this went off mostly without a hitch, which
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Speaker 3: makes me glad. I like to see people out doing
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Speaker 3: their speech, without blocking roads, without hurting people, without taking
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Speaker 3: janitor's hostage like they did on Ivy League campuses during
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Speaker 3: the post October seventh, you know, anti Semitic protests and whatnot.
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Speaker 3: Like I'm on board with that part.
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like the rock bottom we could expect
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Speaker 2: from these people.
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Speaker 1: We're like, look at.
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Speaker 2: You guys, no violence.
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Speaker 1: So good.
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Speaker 3: Oh they accomplished that, you know. I try to be
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Speaker 3: careful about just like the collective guilt. There were some
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Speaker 3: nasty signs out there, one in particular, several like encouraging violence,
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Speaker 3: speakers encouraging violence. As we've noted on the show, one
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Speaker 3: way you can tell that the left has not denounced
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Speaker 3: political violence is that people like Angela Davis show up
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Speaker 3: to speak at their events and on all their Instagram
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Speaker 3: feeds they've praised Asada Chakur like these people are politically
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Speaker 3: violent people who have been convicted. That's political violence. So
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Speaker 3: there's that. But there were some nasty signs, one in
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Speaker 3: particular that said what heals faster Trump's ear or Erica's heart,
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Speaker 3: and that one the widow bullying Nope, I want no
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Speaker 3: part of it.
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Speaker 2: Like what do the people around her think? Are they
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Speaker 2: like great sign or are they like, ma'am hurting the cause?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think anyone thinks they're hurting the cause.
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Speaker 3: And this is like, this is one of those things
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Speaker 3: where I think the left pays a much smaller lower
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Speaker 3: price for that kind of messaging than the right does.
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Speaker 2: So look, we're like celebrating their like lack of violence, right,
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Speaker 2: you know, they get away with so much.
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Speaker 3: Well, and I would just like the standard to be
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Speaker 3: the same right, where if you have a right leaning
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Speaker 3: event and you have errant signs as you did during
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Speaker 3: the tea party, right, they don't make that the whole
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Speaker 3: characterization of the entire event, but you know, that's what
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Speaker 3: they did during the tea party years. I would like
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Speaker 3: the standard to be the same, but it doesn't seem
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Speaker 3: to be.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a very old people event, which is
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Speaker 2: interesting because we think of the left as young. Right there,
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Speaker 2: it's the whole if you're not, you know, a communist,
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Speaker 2: when you're not when you're eighteen, you have no heart,
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Speaker 2: if you're not a whatever the actual quote is, if
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Speaker 2: you're not a conservative when you're there, you have no brain. Right, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but it just was so old. It was these boomer libs,
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Speaker 2: and it's almost like they had nothing else going on,
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Speaker 2: and they were like, hey, there's a protest, Like, let's
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Speaker 2: go do that. Peter J. Hassen had a great He's
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Speaker 2: been tweeting all about the fact that there is such
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Speaker 2: an old contingency in these protests, and he pointed out
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Speaker 2: one story where a seventy five year old said she
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Speaker 2: skipped her granddaughter's soccer game to attend the protest because
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Speaker 2: she wants to ensure her granddaughter has a future. I
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Speaker 2: would want to ensure the granddaughter has a grandma who
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Speaker 2: cares about this. And she was wearing the hooded robe
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Speaker 2: and wide brimmed bonnet from handmaid's tail, because of course
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Speaker 2: she was. This was a costume party for her. Go
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Speaker 2: to your granddaughter's soccer game? What are you doing?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I agree with that perspective. Look, we
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Speaker 3: are not really a protest culture now, those of us
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Speaker 3: on the right. It's not our thing. And I'm glad
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Speaker 3: because I don't really want to be doing it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was thank you for that.
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Speaker 3: It was. Yes, they are very old. You can see
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Speaker 3: the shift both in racial and age demographics for the
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Speaker 3: left of this becoming a very affluent, older white party.
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Speaker 3: One picture stood out in particular of Birmingham, Alabama, where
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Speaker 3: the population is almost seventy percent black, and it was
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Speaker 3: an all white picture. I'm not gonna say it all
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Speaker 3: white march, but it was an all white picture, which
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Speaker 3: is statistically very tough.
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Speaker 2: So much kinder than they would be to us, you know.
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Speaker 3: I Now, I did enjoy one person's comment under it
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Speaker 3: that was, like, not one person in this picture can
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Speaker 3: make cornbread properly. But like that, there is a real
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Speaker 3: shift happening and you can see it in these protests.
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Speaker 3: And look, those people have energy. It may be that
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Speaker 3: now I think those are people that they already have
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Speaker 3: on their side. Are those people registering voters in Virginia
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Speaker 3: and New Jersey? Are they knocking on doors in Virginia
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Speaker 3: and New Jersey? I would suggest they do it without
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Speaker 3: the racial and violence promoting signs that they like to carry.
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Speaker 3: Are they winning people to their side? I don't know,
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Speaker 3: but there's something, there's something to the energy itself, even
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Speaker 3: if it's not being converted. I suppose.
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Speaker 2: I think this messaging is off the mark. And because
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Speaker 2: I'm on the opposite side from them, I'm not looking
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Speaker 2: to give them advice. But I would say the pea
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Speaker 2: hats from twenty sixteen made far more sense than this
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Speaker 2: notings thing. Yea, and like that was like Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: is anti women, we are going to wear these pink
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Speaker 2: hats and you know, show him and there was a
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Speaker 2: different energy around it. This is it just doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 2: He is not I wouldn't say, overstepping into anything authoritarian.
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Speaker 2: Any court cases that rule against him, he accepts them,
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Speaker 2: not like Jo Biden with the student loan where he
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Speaker 2: just said I'm going to do it anyway. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to pay off these student loans, despite the fact that
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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court told me no. That was far more
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Speaker 2: authoritarian to me. I think the messaging is just oft
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Speaker 2: and I think this is why they're not getting young people,
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Speaker 2: because young people are like, what are you even talking about?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also well, young people also remember, and this
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Speaker 3: is I think the root of some of the shift
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Speaker 3: right among those young people. Remember a time during COVID
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Speaker 3: when your government literally wouldn't let you leave your house
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Speaker 3: to protest their COVID regulations. So like, maybe there's a
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Speaker 3: little bit of dissonance there for them because they've seen authoritarianism.
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Speaker 3: By the way, Trump was in charge for part of
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Speaker 3: that and should have encouraged states not to do that.
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Speaker 3: I think it is genuinely very funny that there are
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Speaker 3: international no Kings rallies, but they can't call them no
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Speaker 3: kings because they have literal kings. Yeah, that's just very funny.
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Speaker 2: Let me just read what the Democrats abroad said about that.
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Speaker 2: They said, a few notes, we've changed the no Kings
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Speaker 2: theme of other events around the world to no tyrants
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Speaker 2: so as not to mix messages in a country with
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Speaker 2: a monarchy. Yeah, George Conway, a husband of Kelly and Conway,
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Speaker 2: who was Trump's campaign manager and counselor during his first term,
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Speaker 2: was at one of the events in a I Am
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Speaker 2: Antifa shirt and let me tell you, I cringed so
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Speaker 2: hard seeing him there. It was really just, dude, what
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Speaker 2: are you doing? Like I don't get it, Like we've
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Speaker 2: talked about it on here before, but if I just
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Speaker 2: hate the politician. And look, I didn't like Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. I you know, it took a while
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Speaker 2: definitely come around to him. I didn't swap out all
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Speaker 2: of my beliefs. I didn't become antifa. No, right, Molly Hemingway,
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Speaker 2: who actually is like the sweetest person in the world,
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Speaker 2: So it's funny that she took this like super personal
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Speaker 2: shot at him. But she said, not to be all authoritarian,
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Speaker 2: but the person who died George Conway's hair should probably
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Speaker 2: be imprison for the.
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Speaker 3: Rest I mean. So there's a piece in the argument
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Speaker 3: today entitled and thinks it does protest too much entitled
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Speaker 3: no Kings wasn't cringe And the picture is of you know,
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Speaker 3: of forty to fifty something liberal woman with a tri
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Speaker 3: cornered hat and an American flag and her sciences king
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Speaker 3: free since seventeen seventy six. The subhead of this piece
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Speaker 3: is needing to seem cool in the face of authoritarian takeover?
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Speaker 3: Is cringe? Okay? Point taken? Like, I actually do think
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Speaker 3: that's legit.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: If you're a little cringe while you're objecting to your government,
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Speaker 3: while you're redressing your grievances, fine, this is like what
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Speaker 3: we've done forever. I'm not super mad at you. I
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Speaker 3: do think with the George Conway of it all, I mean,
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Speaker 3: I've told you this before. We're all nerds, right, people
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Speaker 3: select for this business who are narcissists and nerds. Actually
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Speaker 3: that's like sort of the group we have. But I
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Speaker 3: was the drum major of my marching band, and I
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Speaker 3: would just beg of you to be like a little cooler,
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Speaker 3: just just a little bit. And also this embrace of
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Speaker 3: the Founding is totally transactional. Yeah, yeah, they are not
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Speaker 3: interested in the Founding. And in fact, ten to fifteen
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Speaker 3: years ago, when Conservatives wore tri cornered hats and carried
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Speaker 3: seventy six signs, they were called backwards, cringe, racist, whatever
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Speaker 3: the thing was of the day. So again, it's not
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Speaker 3: that consistent about what makes a successful or good or
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Speaker 3: appropriate message at these things.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look again, you're much nicer than me.
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Speaker 3: I know.
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Speaker 2: I'm just like, let's call it fringe and it be right.
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Speaker 2: There's you know, if you're angry about what your government
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Speaker 2: is doing and you feel like you got to get
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Speaker 2: out there in the streets, it's so not me. Have
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Speaker 2: I've just never been a protester. I don't know, I
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Speaker 2: don't get it. I don't think that I just don't
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Speaker 2: get my anger out that way. Yes, this is really
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Speaker 2: what it is.
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Speaker 3: Oh, can I say one more thing because I commented
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Speaker 3: on this today. I think it was Morgan Freeman who
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Speaker 3: said his kid was like, will we get shot at
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Speaker 3: the gathering today? And again this is a thread that
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Speaker 3: has gone through a lot of liberal communities. It is
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Speaker 3: a mark of virtue to scare the crap out of
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Speaker 3: your children, right, And I would just like to say
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Speaker 3: it's the opposite of virtue. My children have lived through
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Speaker 3: all the things that Morgan freemancy. By the way, I
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Speaker 3: had know Morgan had young children. That's all amazing. He
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Speaker 3: has young children. And my kids have lived through all
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Speaker 3: the same things as this young lady has, and you
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Speaker 3: shouldn't convince them that going out in the streets would
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Speaker 3: lead to that. You shouldn't put all of your adult
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Speaker 3: anxieties on them. You should have some adult perspective about
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Speaker 3: what is real danger and what is not. And somehow
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Speaker 3: I have children who know that a person we know
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Speaker 3: got murdered doing my literal job a month ago, but
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Speaker 3: I have not turned that into their identity.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's bad parenting.
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Speaker 3: It's so bad.
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Speaker 2: It isn't don't scare your children. Don't make them think
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Speaker 2: that they can get killed for protesting in America and
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Speaker 2: anything else. Don't don't make them think they could die
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Speaker 2: of climate change.
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Speaker 3: Like, yes, we'll put your one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you know, you know when you say we're nerds, Like,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of different kinds of nerds. My my
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Speaker 2: daughter's math and science nerds. She finds are nerding, so bizarre.
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Speaker 2: Why do you guys care about this?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Why?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 3: And the speeches, well, and we do have real problems,
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Speaker 3: which is why we, like I try to grant grace
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Speaker 3: in general to protest movements, even though people don't grant
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Speaker 3: it to ours. We do have real problems. But if
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Speaker 3: you have convinced your children, who live in the most
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Speaker 3: free and most prosperous society in the history of the world,
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Speaker 3: that they are in constant danger of penury and punishment,
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Speaker 3: then you're going the wrong direction. Man.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, We're going to take a short break and come
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Speaker 2: back with news out of the Blue States. Be right back.
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Speaker 2: We are back on normally where Virginia and New Jersey
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Speaker 2: and New York City are all having a normal one.
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Speaker 3: It's going great. All right, let's talk about Virginia. Senator
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Speaker 3: Tim Kaine, a Democrat of Virginia, was on NBC News's
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Speaker 3: Meet the Press this weekend with Chris Walker, and he
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Speaker 3: was asked about the J. Jones controversy, which has not
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Speaker 3: gone any has not died, as he wishes his political
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Speaker 3: opponents too. It is still going because they didn't kick j. Jones,
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Speaker 3: the Attorney general nominee for the Democrats in Virginia, off
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Speaker 3: the ticket. They have all danced around this and refused
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Speaker 3: to denounce him. They've denounced his words occasionally, but not him.
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Speaker 3: And this is what Tim Kaine has to say when
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Speaker 3: asked about this by Walker.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people look at this, and I think
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Speaker 2: they asked the question, if this were a Republican, would
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Speaker 2: you be calling for him to drop out of the race.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
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Speaker 4: It is it's directly equivalent to things that the Republican
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Speaker 4: gubernatorial candidate has publicly said, not in private text.
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Speaker 1: Murder is murder, and your time will come.
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Speaker 4: She said that in a public meeting speaking about pro
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Speaker 4: choice activists.
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Speaker 1: I've not called for her to drop out of the race.
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Speaker 4: That the voters began voting in Virginia on September nineteenth,
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Speaker 4: these are fair items for voters to consider as they
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Speaker 4: cast their vote. But no, we're not calling for Republicans
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Speaker 4: to drop out of races.
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Speaker 1: We do say, apologize.
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Speaker 4: You have to take account for your actions, and voters
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Speaker 4: can look at the actions and look at your sincerity
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Speaker 4: if you apologize.
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Speaker 1: Apologies are in short supply in politics. These are all right.
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Speaker 3: So what do you make of that, Carol. It's like
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Speaker 3: he got scared and suddenly realized he had to change
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Speaker 3: his whole stamp. He's like, oh wait, I'm a little
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Speaker 3: bit caught here. So he's saying, if a Republican nominee
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Speaker 3: for a state office in Virginia said in texts that
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Speaker 3: he would put two bullets in the speaker of the House,
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Speaker 3: who would, in this analogy be a Democrat, that he
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Speaker 3: would not call for that guy to get out of
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Speaker 3: the race.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he's just such a good guy, you know.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't think anybody should drop out nobody.
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Speaker 3: And then he calls it directly analogous to things that
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Speaker 3: other folks have said, which is not true. I mean, like,
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Speaker 3: here's the thing you have to go. I want my
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Speaker 3: boundaries on speech to be pretty wide. Right when you're
15:17
Speaker 3: running for office. I do think that literal death fantasies
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Speaker 3: about your opponents and their children should be the line.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good line, you know. I don't think
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Speaker 2: that that's too far at all. Won't say that you
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Speaker 2: want your opponents' kids to be killed?
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Speaker 3: That's good?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they're lying. They would absolutely call for far
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Speaker 2: less to drop out. And you know, the funny thing
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Speaker 2: is that this scandal broke with the young Republicans and
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Speaker 2: the Virginia Democrats said to win some series that she
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Speaker 2: has to renounce them, and she was like, all right, done,
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Speaker 2: they should step down now you go.
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Speaker 3: That was one of the Dulmer tactical moves I have
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Speaker 3: ever seen, because it didn't straight. It didn't come straight
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Speaker 3: from Abigail Spanmberger, who is the Democrat governor nominee for
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Speaker 3: the Dems here has not asked Ja Jones to step down.
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Speaker 3: Didn't come directly from her. It came from Virginia Democrats.
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Speaker 3: And what I think is that those people are so
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Speaker 3: in a bubble, that they are so cloistered, that they
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Speaker 3: are so convinced of their correctness that they didn't even
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Speaker 3: see that coming. Because Wins Sears, as you and I were,
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Speaker 3: is happy to say, no, we don't want that influence.
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Speaker 3: That's bad, we don't want them in charge them, get
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Speaker 3: them out of here, even though they're not running for office,
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Speaker 3: And Spamberger is not able to say the same thing
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Speaker 3: about j Jones. So Wins's just like and back over
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Speaker 3: the net to you, Abigail, But she has nothing to
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Speaker 3: say because she doesn't want to cut this guy off. Amazing,
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Speaker 3: which says something in and of itself. By the way, Miaras,
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Speaker 3: who is the Republican nominee running against Jones, has gained
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Speaker 3: quite a bit of momentum. It looks like five to
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Speaker 3: six points of swing in that race. So even though
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Speaker 3: this is an uphill state for Republicans, things certainly look
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Speaker 3: better for them than they did several weeks ago before
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Speaker 3: the age and his text about killing people were we.
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Speaker 2: Have all my fingers crossed for you guys.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've had a good run with Younkin.
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Speaker 2: So all right, New Jersey. In the recent Democratic debate
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Speaker 2: in New Jersey, Mickey Cheryl had this to stay.
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Speaker 5: You know, I think it's interesting how he keeps citing
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Speaker 5: places like Louisiana and Mississippi. I think some of the
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Speaker 5: worst schools in the entire nation. If that's where he
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Speaker 5: wants to drive us to, I think voters better be
17:28
Speaker 5: aware of that.
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Speaker 2: All Right, she apparently doesn't listen to normally, and I
17:33
Speaker 2: think that's a problem for her. We got tagged in
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Speaker 2: this video several times over the weekend because we do
17:38
Speaker 2: talk about Louisiana and Mississippi and their gains in reading scores,
17:43
Speaker 2: and it's just it's hilarious that she is so not
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Speaker 2: up on this. And the thing is, like a lot
17:48
Speaker 2: of people are like, gotcha on this. She's not going
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Speaker 2: to care. She is going to find a reason that
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Speaker 2: she's still right, and look, it's just it's crazy.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is what you and I talk about lot,
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Speaker 3: where the bubble and the insular nature of the mostly
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Speaker 3: liberal media is dangerous for Democrats because she hasn't come
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Speaker 3: across this information because she's in a bubble. The people
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Speaker 3: who brief her do not know this information, and they
18:17
Speaker 3: are therefore relying on both old information and regional bigotry
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Speaker 3: frankly exactly to make their points. But those points aren't
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Speaker 3: relevant anymore and they don't know it. And like you said,
18:30
Speaker 3: she's not going to be ashamed that she doesn't know it,
18:32
Speaker 3: because again, I think we talked about this before. This
18:35
Speaker 3: is the icky facts doctrine. If she knows achy facts,
18:39
Speaker 3: that makes her ichy and write coded. So she can't
18:43
Speaker 3: know those things. She can't know that children of all
18:48
Speaker 3: socioeconomic statuses and stati and races have improved exponentially in
18:55
Speaker 3: the last several years in these southern states, because that
18:58
Speaker 3: would go against what she's got already sort of logged
19:02
Speaker 3: down her brain.
19:03
Speaker 2: So it's interesting because the Urban Institute fourth grade reading
19:06
Speaker 2: score rankings have Mississippian first, Louisiana and second Florida and third.
19:12
Speaker 2: New Jersey is number sixteen. I think she would say well,
19:16
Speaker 2: you know this is demographically adjusted. You know, scores they
19:21
Speaker 2: adjust for income, right, you know, But who cares more
19:25
Speaker 2: about income and equality than democrats and about this when
19:28
Speaker 2: we're looking at reading scores.
19:30
Speaker 3: No, that's actually, by their philosophy, the thing you should
19:33
Speaker 3: care most about, right, right, And so we do, but
19:37
Speaker 3: I do generally. For years we've been having this discussion
19:40
Speaker 3: because during the school closings, it was the case that
19:44
Speaker 3: many liberals you would argue with about it, who were
19:47
Speaker 3: in charge of making these decisions, very little about the
19:52
Speaker 3: actual facts of whether it was dangerous. This is a
19:55
Speaker 3: similar situation where on education they get their talking points
19:58
Speaker 3: from the National Teachers Unions and they're done.
20:02
Speaker 5: They're done.
20:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
20:03
Speaker 3: And by the way, did you see that the NEA
20:06
Speaker 3: sent out an Israel map without Israel, Hon, Yeah, yeah,
20:12
Speaker 3: I'm sure that was. They called it a lapse, Carol, Yeah,
20:14
Speaker 3: a lapse.
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Speaker 2: They're super, super concerned about kids having the right information
20:18
Speaker 2: though just the one time they're not mm hmmm.
20:22
Speaker 3: Anyway, it reveals terrible ignorance and they should be ashamed
20:27
Speaker 3: of it because it's going to keep them from making
20:29
Speaker 3: lives better in their states.
20:31
Speaker 2: So ashamed they will not. They will they will not
20:34
Speaker 2: be ashamed. Icky facts, ikey facts.
20:37
Speaker 3: All right, what's going on with our friend mom Donnie?
20:39
Speaker 2: Speaking of I'm actually recording this from New York City,
20:42
Speaker 2: and I went to a conservative event last night. It
20:44
Speaker 2: was the commentary yearly roast that they do, and I
20:48
Speaker 2: spoke to lots of people and they're all I have
20:51
Speaker 2: to say, they're in cope world where they're like, Mum
20:54
Speaker 2: Donnie is going to be the next mayor. He's not
20:57
Speaker 2: going to be able to do all these things that
20:59
Speaker 2: he says he's going to do, and that's what we're
21:01
Speaker 2: going to hold on to if we can't leave. So
21:03
Speaker 2: I think most people are bracing for the Mamdanni win. However,
21:07
Speaker 2: there was a poll that says that Mam Donnie would
21:12
Speaker 2: it would be very close in a race one on
21:14
Speaker 2: one with Andrew Cuomo. However, there's this pesky Republican Curtis
21:19
Speaker 2: Leeo and the race who refuses to get out. I'm
21:22
Speaker 2: of mixed mind about this, and look, I'm not somebody
21:25
Speaker 2: that wants New York to fail. And I say this
21:27
Speaker 2: a lot. I know a lot of Republicans are like,
21:30
Speaker 2: who cares about that place?
21:31
Speaker 3: Like that's it?
21:32
Speaker 2: I care about it? My family lives there, my friends
21:34
Speaker 2: live there. I care about it surviving. But I get
21:37
Speaker 2: Leewa's argument. He's like, Andrew Cuomo lost the Democratic primary
21:41
Speaker 2: to this guy and then ran as an independent, and
21:44
Speaker 2: I'm the one that's supposed to drop out.
21:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, got found, you know.
21:49
Speaker 2: And what would be worse is if Sleiwo dropped out
21:52
Speaker 2: and Mamdanni still won, which is extremely probable.
21:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I get where he's coming from, because the
22:00
Speaker 3: last thing I want to do if I were in
22:02
Speaker 3: that situation is reward Cuomo or just all of like
22:07
Speaker 3: for an incompetent campaign, for terrible behavior, for awful governance.
22:12
Speaker 3: So even though he's the less bad of the two
22:16
Speaker 3: leading options, although Mom Donny's leading him by quite a bit,
22:19
Speaker 3: I understand not wanting to reward any of that. And
22:22
Speaker 3: although there is a world in which Republicans have been
22:26
Speaker 3: governor of or have been mayor of New York before,
22:29
Speaker 3: so arguably they should have put someone up who was
22:33
Speaker 3: more broadly appealing than Curtis Sliwa. Absolutely, Democrats, this is
22:36
Speaker 3: a left leaning city, like this was on y'all to
22:40
Speaker 3: mount a better opposition than this to Mom Donnie, and
22:44
Speaker 3: I got to say, especially on the oppo research, of
22:47
Speaker 3: which there is plenty on Mamdannyquoma's just like nah, not engaging.
22:53
Speaker 3: And I think this is the Hillary Clinton problem. You
22:56
Speaker 3: just show up with your name and your entitlement and
23:00
Speaker 3: you think that people have to vote for you, and
23:02
Speaker 3: they don't.
23:03
Speaker 2: Right, And especially Cuomo should have known that it would
23:06
Speaker 2: be a bit of a battle because he had to
23:08
Speaker 2: resign from his governorship. You don't resign people love you,
23:11
Speaker 2: like when they can't get enough of the Cuomo you know.
23:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do think I'm with you. I don't
23:17
Speaker 3: want New York to face the consequences of this that
23:21
Speaker 3: are some of which are going to be inevitable. I
23:23
Speaker 3: do hope his powers are limited to some degree, but
23:26
Speaker 3: some of the stuff he can do is going to
23:27
Speaker 3: be really damaging, like removing gifted programs for kids.
23:31
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, that he could do. Yeah, there was Bamdanie
23:37
Speaker 2: actually recently posted a photo of himself with Imam Suraj Wahaj,
23:42
Speaker 2: who was an unindicted co conspiracy co conspirator in the
23:46
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three World Trade Center bombing in New York,
23:51
Speaker 2: in New York, and this is like, who my New
23:53
Speaker 2: Yorkers are voting for It's it's sad, It's really sad.
23:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that any of us
24:00
Speaker 3: would have imagined that twenty four years after nine to eleven,
24:04
Speaker 3: potential mirror of New York would be standing next to
24:07
Speaker 3: a guy who hosted the blind Shake at his mosque.
24:09
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just that's pretty amazing. And of course
24:12
Speaker 3: the New York Times does the woke jiu jitsu where
24:15
Speaker 3: they're like, it's it's racist and islamophobic for y'all to
24:18
Speaker 3: mention these things, and it's like, no, no, no, no no.
24:21
Speaker 3: If he were a candidate who was happy to say
24:24
Speaker 3: those terror apologists are.
24:25
Speaker 2: Bad, yeah, nobody would care that he was muzzled.
24:28
Speaker 3: Who was happy to say globalized the end Offada is bad.
24:31
Speaker 3: Who was happy to say Hamas should disarm? Those are
24:34
Speaker 3: easy things to say. Who he doesn't say them is
24:36
Speaker 3: because he doesn't believe them, guys, right, And that's the problem.
24:40
Speaker 2: That is the problem, New York. Come on, better, do better?
24:44
Speaker 2: All right, We're going to take a short break and
24:46
Speaker 2: come right back with what's going on in Europe? What's
24:49
Speaker 2: up with these places? We are back on normally where
24:55
Speaker 2: we can literally have a segment called Europe. What's up
24:59
Speaker 2: with you?
25:00
Speaker 3: It's not great? No, there was a.
25:02
Speaker 2: Robbery at the Louver over the last few days and
25:06
Speaker 2: it is crazy because they literally pulled a ladder truck
25:11
Speaker 2: up to the louver, walked up a ladder into a window.
25:14
Speaker 2: I mean you have to see this picture. There is
25:16
Speaker 2: a ladder going up to the love in.
25:18
Speaker 3: The middle of the day. Not exactly cat Burglars is
25:21
Speaker 3: what you're saying.
25:22
Speaker 2: They walked up to an exhibit and they drilled into it.
25:25
Speaker 2: And I wish I that the louver this summer, and
25:27
Speaker 2: you cannot like they're like, you're walking too close to
25:30
Speaker 2: the art right right? I think they should get some
25:33
Speaker 2: of the security off of the Mona Lisa and put
25:36
Speaker 2: it elsewhere, because how does this happen? How are you
25:40
Speaker 2: not humiliated and embarrassed that somebody mounted a ladder into
25:44
Speaker 2: your louver window and stole priceless jewels? What is up
25:48
Speaker 2: with your Europe?
25:50
Speaker 3: Also? Can I just read an embarrassing sentence? Four perpetrators
25:53
Speaker 3: is from CNN World. Four perpetrators appear to have been
25:56
Speaker 3: involved in the theft, who were unarmed but threatened the
25:58
Speaker 3: guards with angle grinders. Paris prosecutor that's not good. No,
26:07
Speaker 3: that's not good. Arm What are they going to do?
26:09
Speaker 2: Hit them when the angle grinder?
26:10
Speaker 3: I just this is when I saw something recently about
26:15
Speaker 3: I believe it was a public fountain in San Francisco
26:17
Speaker 3: that of course had become a place of refuse and
26:21
Speaker 3: needles and defecation and such, and they had just decided like,
26:24
Speaker 3: let's not have the fountain anymore, let's not have that operative.
26:28
Speaker 1: Right they do.
26:29
Speaker 3: You have to have the will to protect the things
26:32
Speaker 3: that are important, to protect the things that the civilized
26:36
Speaker 3: people are enjoying instead of you know, kneeling to every
26:40
Speaker 3: criminal that comes around. And it's just it's the same thing.
26:43
Speaker 3: You have to have the will to protect this stuff. Now,
26:45
Speaker 3: I'm a little worried about the climate activists because usually
26:48
Speaker 3: I don't like them throwing paint on these things regardless.
26:51
Speaker 3: But usually I'm like, those are behind glass or something, right,
26:53
Speaker 3: and often they are. Yeah, Now I'm not There's a
26:57
Speaker 3: lot of stuff that's going to ruin them.
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Speaker 2: Like, you know, they will threaten the security guards with
27:02
Speaker 2: paint and and the security guards.
27:04
Speaker 3: Will run away.
27:05
Speaker 2: It's just the jewels were from the Napoleon collection. My
27:09
Speaker 2: middle son is super into Napoleon. So the joke in
27:11
Speaker 2: our household is like, where was he on Thursday?
27:14
Speaker 3: Nay, what is his alibi? My goodness, I think we
27:18
Speaker 3: have another insane Europeans story, correct.
27:21
Speaker 2: Not just France. This weekend in Britain, a man was
27:26
Speaker 2: arrested because his Star of David was problematic and aggressive.
27:33
Speaker 2: I you know, look, there's a lot of conversation right now.
27:38
Speaker 3: About whether Jews should get out of Britain.
27:41
Speaker 2: The Manchester attack on a synagogue on Yam Kipor was
27:45
Speaker 2: a big tell of that. What I've always said about
27:48
Speaker 2: anti Semitism is that it's not the end. It's not
27:51
Speaker 2: the anti Semitism, it's not what happens. Anti Semitism could
27:55
Speaker 2: happen anywhere. I'm wearing a you know, a Star of
27:57
Speaker 2: David around my neck right now, a Jewish star. I
27:59
Speaker 2: could walk outside. I mean I'm in New York, so
28:01
Speaker 2: it would be crazy and somebody could assault me. The
28:04
Speaker 2: thing is, it's how the public reacts to it. And
28:06
Speaker 2: why I think America is so different is that when
28:10
Speaker 2: anti Semitic attacks happen in America, and they do happen,
28:13
Speaker 2: it's not like, well, what are you gonna do? Maybe
28:15
Speaker 2: you should hide your Jewish starbetter.
28:17
Speaker 3: It's very, very different.
28:19
Speaker 1: Why I'm bullish on.
28:20
Speaker 2: America in addition to the first and second amendments, is
28:24
Speaker 2: because of the reaction of Americans when anti Semitism happens.
28:28
Speaker 2: The reaction of Brits leaves a lot to be desired.
28:32
Speaker 3: Well, and this there's some video of him being interrogated
28:34
Speaker 3: by police who are like, you know, pointing out that
28:37
Speaker 3: this Star of David is the issue. Right now, the
28:40
Speaker 3: police have put out a statement saying, oh, no, no, no,
28:44
Speaker 3: the thing is not It's not just the Star of David.
28:46
Speaker 3: It's that like he was standing close to other people
28:49
Speaker 3: who don't like the Star of David and it's like, okay,
28:51
Speaker 3: that's not a good enough reason, guys. Right again, that's
28:55
Speaker 3: what they're like. He antagonized them because there were there
28:59
Speaker 3: was base there was a protest and a protest and
29:02
Speaker 3: counter protest, right and he like you know, got too
29:05
Speaker 3: close to the people who don't like him. It's like, no,
29:08
Speaker 3: m m, that's not going to cut it, guys, It's
29:12
Speaker 3: not going to cut it.
29:13
Speaker 2: Also, Israeli's soccer team was is poised to play in Birmingham, England,
29:19
Speaker 2: and their fans are being banned from the city coming
29:24
Speaker 2: and watch them play asking Villa, and these members of
29:27
Speaker 2: parliament are celebrating it on the internet as if like
29:30
Speaker 2: this is a good thing, Like, oh, it's so good
29:32
Speaker 2: that we have stopped those Jews from coming to our
29:35
Speaker 2: football stadium.
29:36
Speaker 3: Yes, it's really wild.
29:39
Speaker 2: The thinking, or like the lie that they're telling is
29:43
Speaker 2: that there was this big incident in Amsterdam last year
29:47
Speaker 2: where Israeli soccer fans were assaulted and it was turns
29:51
Speaker 2: out and the lie was that those Israeli soccer fans
29:54
Speaker 2: were chanting something in Hebrew that you know fans knew
29:58
Speaker 2: to be something negative. Look, soccer fans can be violent
30:02
Speaker 2: and aggressive. The Amsterdam attack on the Israeli soccer fans,
30:07
Speaker 2: by all accounts, appears to be pre planned. They were like,
30:11
Speaker 2: the Israelis are coming, let's beat them up. And that
30:14
Speaker 2: attack on Israelis is being used to ban Israelis from
30:19
Speaker 2: going to other games. It's such blatant into Semitism. It's
30:23
Speaker 2: just absolutely crazy. Yeah.
30:24
Speaker 3: Again, it's like Jews standing too close to the people
30:27
Speaker 3: who don't like them, right, and that is not an
30:30
Speaker 3: acceptable reason. I kid you not, Carol. When I saw
30:33
Speaker 3: an MP's statement on this. He was like, thank goodness,
30:36
Speaker 3: these people have been banned from such and such. Because
30:39
Speaker 3: I am not familiar with the names of soccer stadiums
30:41
Speaker 3: in Britain, I assumed that this, you know, terrible MP
30:47
Speaker 3: must be talking about like a sports bar, because like,
30:50
Speaker 3: at least that would be like a smaller situation. I
30:56
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, they mean the whole stadium. Yep,
30:59
Speaker 3: how can this be happening because I thought he was
31:01
Speaker 3: just talking about like his local sports bar. Nope, no, no, no,
31:04
Speaker 3: which would not be acceptable either.
31:06
Speaker 2: But look, yeah it would be a personal decision by
31:09
Speaker 2: the owner or whatever. Yeah, it's unacceptable, and I'll just
31:13
Speaker 2: keep saying it. America is different, but we need to
31:15
Speaker 2: defend that difference. We need to not follow Europe down
31:19
Speaker 2: their terrible path. Also, if anybody hasn't read it America
31:23
Speaker 2: Alone by Mark Stein, I don't even remember what year
31:26
Speaker 2: that came out, like twenty something years ago. Yes, he
31:29
Speaker 2: wrote a prediction guide of what was going to happen.
31:31
Speaker 2: It published two thousand and six, so almost twenty years
31:35
Speaker 2: ago it is. We read it recently. Unbelievable how much
31:40
Speaker 2: he got right about Europe and it's America alone because
31:43
Speaker 2: we were the only ones kind of enforcing our border
31:45
Speaker 2: rules and also having children, and those two factors. He said,
31:49
Speaker 2: We're going to bring down Europe, and we're watching it
31:52
Speaker 2: in action.
31:52
Speaker 3: And they have fallen off here in the past five years.
31:55
Speaker 3: So we shall endeavor to keep what's great.
31:59
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