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Matt Kupka: Southtowne Lanes · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: Today, we've got Matt from Southtown Lanes. Super excited to
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  Speaker 1: chat with you. Matt, I'll be honest. Southtown Lanes is
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  Speaker 1: a band that is new to me. I started listening
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  Speaker 1: to you guys kind of recently when we started chatting
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  Speaker 1: and tried to get this interview all figured out, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you all were new to me. What I will
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  Speaker 1: say though, as much as you are the band Southtown
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  Speaker 1: Lellions is new to me. That sound takes me back
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  Speaker 1: to two thousand and five. I'm just saying, like, totally
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  Speaker 1: absolutely incredible. How much your guys sound is such classic
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  Speaker 1: emo from at least two thousand and five Emo if
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  Speaker 1: you want to get you know, really fancy with the
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  Speaker 1: whole wave stuff. But anyway, I'm a big fan, super
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  Speaker 1: excited to chat with you. But we'll chat obviously all
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  Speaker 1: about Southtown Lanes.
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  Speaker 2: But how are you doing today?
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  Speaker 3: I'm well, man, I just came back up. I'm here
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  Speaker 3: in Portland, Oregon. The band is actually kind of based
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  Speaker 3: between Portland and Eugene, Oregon, and me and my girlfriend
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  Speaker 3: were just down in Eugene. We were gonna do a
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  Speaker 3: friends giving, but everyone's sick, so we kind of just
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  Speaker 3: went down to Eugene and hung out in an Airbnb
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  Speaker 3: for tonight and I came back up, so it was
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  Speaker 3: kind of a bummer. We see everybody, But man, I've
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  Speaker 3: done that trip to Eugene, like for a long long time.
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  Speaker 3: The band has been based in Eugene, and I've lived
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  Speaker 3: in Portland and it's about a two hour drive, so
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  Speaker 3: that interstate drive, I Interstate five. I've gotten so used
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  Speaker 3: to just coming up and down.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's literally just dying, Like, could you cover
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  Speaker 1: your eyes and do it the whole way?
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  Speaker 3: Dude? Honestly, at this point, I seriously could. Like in
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  Speaker 3: my early twenties, I think I was doing it like
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  Speaker 3: three times a week. Like I moved to Portland when
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  Speaker 3: I was eighteen and the band started happening, and I
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  Speaker 3: just kept doing it over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: That drive, I think will forever just be. I think
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  Speaker 3: I just go into the exact same headspace every time
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing it.
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  Speaker 4: It's, yeah, what is that headspace for you? Is it?
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  Speaker 3: Man? It's usually not like the best one. I'm usually
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  Speaker 3: cause like, dude, a lot of the time, especially early
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  Speaker 3: in Southtown, like it was to play like local shows
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  Speaker 3: like for other touring bands and stuff like that, and
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  Speaker 3: I would usually be getting off of work, driving down
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  Speaker 3: playing the local show and then leaving the local show
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  Speaker 3: and driving back home, and other people were like, why
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  Speaker 3: aren't you sticking around? And I'm like, I live in Portland,
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  Speaker 3: I know this is Eugene show, but like I got
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  Speaker 3: to go back to work and do stuff, and so
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  Speaker 3: I really have just associated that drive of just like
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  Speaker 3: why am I fucking going to Eugene again? Right, But
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  Speaker 3: that's just I'm being pessimistic. It's I mean, it's where
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  Speaker 3: like we're from, It's where I grew up, and it's
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  Speaker 3: where it is.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, sure, sure, you know. I have to say
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  Speaker 4: that this has been one of my most anticipated uh,
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  Speaker 4: Southtown has been one of my most anticipated guests for
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  Speaker 4: a while now, since since since May. I would say,
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  Speaker 4: so I discovered I discovered you guys in May, and
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  Speaker 4: I've been absolutely blown away. Could not believe I hadn't
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  Speaker 4: heard of y'all. I know you have at least one
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  Speaker 4: other record kind of going back to twenty sixteen. Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like I said, I'm blown away that I haven't
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  Speaker 4: heard of you until now because you write songs like
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  Speaker 4: I haven't heard from from a band in a long time.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really, really really impressed. Songs that have choruses that
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  Speaker 4: get stuck in my head, songs that hit like a
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  Speaker 4: freight train, songs that both like musically and lyrically, and
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  Speaker 4: then songs that will just take you on a journey.
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  Speaker 4: How long has has Southtown been doing it?
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  Speaker 3: Well? Firstly, like, thank you so much for saying that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you realize like at times it just
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  Speaker 3: really means a lot. I appreciate that, and I appreciate
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  Speaker 3: so much that that you're looking forward to and that
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  Speaker 3: you listen to it just to begin with, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: But we've been doing it for us. I mean it's
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  Speaker 3: been a long time. Our first demo that came out
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  Speaker 3: on tape was in twenty twelve, so it's been it's been, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: thirteen years, but we took a long break in there.
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  Speaker 3: So the kind of one of the way I sum
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  Speaker 3: it up is we were all like nineteen years old
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  Speaker 3: and we're like, yep, we're doing the emao band thing
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twelve, and for about five years till about
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  Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, we gave it a go. We were like
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  Speaker 3: I said, that was from like we were all basically
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  Speaker 3: like nineteen or twenty to twenty five, and we just
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  Speaker 3: were relentless about it, and we toured as much as
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  Speaker 3: we could, three or four times a year. We played
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  Speaker 3: every local show. A couple members of the band like
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  Speaker 3: started a DIY venue. We our houses were venues. We
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  Speaker 3: like did that, you know, the normal formula thing. And
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  Speaker 3: it kind of all culminated in that first record, give
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  Speaker 3: Up the Ghost, And you know, we had done like
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  Speaker 3: split EPs and stuff before that that you can find
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  Speaker 3: if you dig around on there, and give Up the
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  Speaker 3: Ghost was kind of like, all right, this is our
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  Speaker 3: feature length album. We've been doing it, and we toured
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  Speaker 3: on that, and to be honest, we kind of just
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  Speaker 3: ourselves out a little bit. Mostly. You know, it's a
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  Speaker 3: hard lesson to learn, but when you go into something
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  Speaker 3: like really any entertainment industry, I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: expectations are really kind of the death of at least
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  Speaker 3: the fun part of it. Sure, you know, it's nearly
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  Speaker 3: impossible not to have wants or like, I hope this happens,
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  Speaker 3: but I think we all had a lot more like expectations.
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  Speaker 3: We were young in twenty four and we were like,
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  Speaker 3: we're so we're just gonna be in a band and
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  Speaker 3: it'll work and doesn't always go that way. So long, Bill,
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  Speaker 3: we took a pretty long break other people. I went
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  Speaker 3: to another project, other people did other projects, and then
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  Speaker 3: we came back together in literally November of twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: one and played our first show back together in March
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  Speaker 3: of twenty twenty excuse me of yeah of twenty twenty sorry, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: right when a little pandemic hit, sure, and that kind
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  Speaker 3: of took us all back. But anyways, we kind of
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  Speaker 3: played catch up for a while and eventually got back
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  Speaker 3: together and then wrote Take Care and put that out
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  Speaker 3: last year. Yeah, that's kind of the history history of us,
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  Speaker 3: of us being together.
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  Speaker 4: So for you individually, where does your music journey start?
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  Speaker 3: My music journey starts for me at a very young age.
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  Speaker 3: I grew up in a in a like a classical
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  Speaker 3: music family. My whole dad's side of my family are
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  Speaker 3: all still classical musicians, and so I started playing violin
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  Speaker 3: at I don't know, probably five or somewhere in there.
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  Speaker 3: Music was like, not by even my choice, always a
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  Speaker 3: part of my life and was going to be a
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  Speaker 3: part of my life, you know, Like I had to
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  Speaker 3: practice every day it's like, you know, when you meet
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  Speaker 3: people like other kids that went through that, they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I know that was like I get you.
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  Speaker 1: So if you grew up playing violin and now you
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  Speaker 1: play em I would imagine Yellow Card was probably like
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  Speaker 1: your favorite band ever.
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  Speaker 3: Oh right, and I don't like middle school, I forget
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  Speaker 3: like Keegan friends were out there playing the song on guitar,
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  Speaker 3: like can you play the violent part of Ocean Avenue?
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  Speaker 3: And of course I was like I don't know, and
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  Speaker 3: I like look up sheet music and I think, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this is easy, this is it. But da dada, and
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  Speaker 3: it was like, oh yeah, I was a huge Yellow Card.
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  Speaker 3: I honestly, when you guys asked or mentioned in the beginning,
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  Speaker 3: like top five influential albums, like, I wouldn't say any
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  Speaker 3: there are any Yellow Card albums that are my favorite,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't know. One of those might be in
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  Speaker 3: there for like my transition of yeah like classical too
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  Speaker 3: to like ebo yeah hell yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So you grew up in a in a musical family,
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  Speaker 4: I can see where your I would almost argue it's
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  Speaker 4: almost like a complex taste for melody that I have
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  Speaker 4: heard in Southtown Lanes. That's gotta be where it starts, right.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, I think what kind of ends up happening is
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  Speaker 3: you know, at least for me in my experience, when
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  Speaker 3: you grow up playing you know, music like that, this
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  Speaker 3: this incredibly complex like music that goes beyond anything I
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  Speaker 3: could ever even dream. You know, these these pieces you play,
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  Speaker 3: and so then when you go to write your your
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  Speaker 3: EMO song that is you know, like a one, four
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  Speaker 3: or five chord progression and these kind of like basic
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  Speaker 3: but still incredible. And don't get me wrong, like I
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  Speaker 3: am a love I have no issue with simple music.
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  Speaker 3: I truly believe like Andy Andy Hull is one of
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  Speaker 3: my favorite songs from manchest Workers, one of my favorite
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  Speaker 3: songwriters all time, And I'm pretty sure Andy Hole could
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  Speaker 3: write my favorite song with one note on a guitar
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  Speaker 3: and like maybe two singing notes and he would still
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  Speaker 3: create gold because it's not about complexity, it's about how
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  Speaker 3: you write this song. But anyways, still, when you're in
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  Speaker 3: this song right process, for me, at times, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: do kind of be like, Okay, well, this is totally
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  Speaker 3: what you would do. This is what the park calls for.
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  Speaker 3: Can we like, can we can we spice it up
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  Speaker 3: a little? Is there anything like, wait, can we do
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  Speaker 3: a harmony on there? Instead of singing this melody over
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  Speaker 3: this chord, It almost would be more fun if we
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  Speaker 3: sung it like this. So, yeah, you're absolutely right. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's part of the classical upbringing that made us
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  Speaker 3: make decisions like that at least interesting like.
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  Speaker 1: Your parents, with them being classical musicians themselves, like and
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  Speaker 1: and maybe maybe maybe they were like the kind of
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  Speaker 1: classical musicians were, like they only listened to classical music,
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  Speaker 1: or you know, maybe maybe there are folks that listen
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  Speaker 1: to pop music as well. But I'm just curious, like
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  Speaker 1: when when you were really starting to get into like
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  Speaker 1: emo music, and in particular, I would imagine there's maybe
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  Speaker 1: a potential assumption that hey, this is way more low
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  Speaker 1: art than the high art that is classical music. So
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  Speaker 1: was there some sort of maybe disconnect with your parents
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  Speaker 1: around that in particular, with with you getting in the
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  Speaker 1: emo or was that like not a non issue.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just kind of curious, like.
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  Speaker 1: How they would have perceived you really getting into wanting
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  Speaker 1: to play emo music in particular, given the fact that
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  Speaker 1: classical music was in your background, and you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: there were certain aspirations about you being a classical musician.
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  Speaker 3: To both those No, there was absolutely friction. The moment
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  Speaker 3: I said I want to play guitar, my dad, who
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  Speaker 3: was really the driving force of me being a musician,
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  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, you can play guitar, but you can't
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  Speaker 3: not continue your studies and violin and all this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, okay. But of course, as I got older,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and from older I mean like in high school, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I started to really want to play guitar and be
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  Speaker 3: in emo music and do all this stuff. And like,
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  Speaker 3: I have memories of my dad like punishing me by
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  Speaker 3: locking my guitar like in the safe and was like,
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  Speaker 3: you can only play guitar until after you've practiced for
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  Speaker 3: practice violin for an hour. H And that was my
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  Speaker 3: dad's rule. It was with it the same with my siblings.
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  Speaker 3: It was that you live in his house, you will
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  Speaker 3: play the instrument until you are eighteen. At eighteen years old,
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  Speaker 3: you are you can do what you will if you
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  Speaker 3: don't want to do anymore. But that was his gift
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  Speaker 3: and curse to us was you will rigorously learn this instrument.
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  Speaker 3: My dad had more sympathy for me doing rock music though,
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  Speaker 3: because while my dad was a classical musician. No, my
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  Speaker 3: dad did not strictly listen to that music. My dad's
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  Speaker 3: favorite bands were like The Who, the Beatles, classic rock.
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  Speaker 3: But my dad was mad at that. My dad played
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  Speaker 3: drums as a kid, so he was still really into it,
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  Speaker 3: and so when I was getting into that, he supported it.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, it's actually it's it's it's funny the
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  Speaker 3: name of this podcast not to go too much into
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  Speaker 3: my family's history, but my dad and this my family,
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  Speaker 3: my immediate family here in Oregon are truly and were
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: and are the kind of the black sheep of our
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: greater family that live in southern California. In the same way,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, my dad being into the Who and
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  Speaker 3: like I said, the Beatles and all this rock music,
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  Speaker 3: my dad's side of my family that are all these
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  Speaker 3: musicians that I was just speaking of are kind of no,
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  Speaker 3: they're like the higher end classical musicians that playing string
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  Speaker 3: quartets all over the world and are very incredibly talented
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  Speaker 3: and skilled musicians. And so I don't know, it was
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  Speaker 3: kind of funny growing up because I felt my dad
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  Speaker 3: was the black sheep of his family because he moved
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  Speaker 3: to Oregon and played drums, and I thought it was
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  Speaker 3: like ironic. I'm like, Dad, I'm just doing exactly what
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  Speaker 3: you did with your family, Like I'm playing guitar and
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  Speaker 3: doing this thing. But yeah, long way around. I still
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  Speaker 3: struggle with it a bit when I see like those
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  Speaker 3: family members, because I'm close to them, and it's like
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  Speaker 3: kind of this funny thing where they'll be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so like what if what's your what are you doing
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  Speaker 3: with your music? And it's just like, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: clip of me like screaming and playing a basement show
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  Speaker 3: to twenty kids, and they're like, yeah, we were just
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  Speaker 3: over in like Central Europe and played some of the
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: most beautiful churches in the world. We played you know,
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  Speaker 3: Shostakovich number eight around and it's just like cool, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like and the my fav I'm not trying to throw
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  Speaker 3: them under the dust. They're they're very sweet, they come
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  Speaker 3: out to shows, they'll do it. But I definitely have
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  Speaker 3: a lot of yeah, some of that feeling judged, I
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  Speaker 3: guess still for being like, yeah, I play punk music
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  Speaker 3: and you play the most you know, complex stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever counter with them like, yeah, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: just like a cover band, dude.
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  Speaker 3: I think about that all the time. I think about
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  Speaker 3: like you know, and we've argued about it. I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're just playing with the same thing that like a
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  Speaker 3: million other people have, you know, played over and over
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  Speaker 3: again forever, Like have you ever thought about trying something
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  Speaker 3: that's like your own, like if you're thought about how
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: that would feel? But then they count and they're like,
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  Speaker 3: well you don't understand like when you play this you
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  Speaker 3: make it your own and how you choose to play,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and so then the conversation.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, I do find the dynamics of that
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  Speaker 4: super interesting because it's it's it's like the opposite of
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  Speaker 4: like the jock family, you know that like totally Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: my cousin went to the NFL and my other cousin
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  Speaker 4: is in the MLB, and here I am. I just
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  Speaker 4: played Division one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah you know, no, you're you're nailing it. That is
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  Speaker 3: like the feeling that we carried, Like again, my last
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: name is Koopka, like the Koupka's carried in Oregon. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we were like, yeah, we didn't make varsity me and
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  Speaker 3: we we are like where were jv at best? We
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  Speaker 3: are community college. We are not making it to to
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: USC like the rest of the family. But yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's such an interesting, uh dynamic and such a
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  Speaker 4: turn on its head kind of yeah situation. I totally
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  Speaker 4: While I feel for you, I also find that to
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  Speaker 4: be a comical kind of kind of point of view.
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  Speaker 3: To be honest, it's interesting. Most of my friends didn't
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  Speaker 3: really really it's you. I mean I grew up with it,
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  Speaker 3: so I was used to it. But most of my friends,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when they'd walk in and my dad was
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  Speaker 3: like playing cell in the living room, they'd be like
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  Speaker 3: what is he doing? Like what do you mean? Don't
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  Speaker 3: your parents just like I play music? That's what you do.
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  Speaker 3: You just play music everywhere. It's a part of every
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  Speaker 3: facet of your life. Every family gathering, every birthday, every everything.
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  Speaker 3: You guys all get together and like play a quartet together, right,
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  Speaker 3: And they're like, no, man, that's just not That sounds
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  Speaker 3: amazing though, And that's what they all said. They all
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  Speaker 3: thought it was awesome, and I hated it growing up.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, it's the worst he's talking about. I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to do this shit. I want to play
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  Speaker 3: video games. I don't want to I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: sit here yet.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I was gonna say I was gonna bring that
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  Speaker 4: up too. You know, most people or most dads would
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  Speaker 4: be like, hey, I want to lock up your xbox,
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  Speaker 4: but for you, it was I'm gonna lock up your guitar.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the guitar became the enemy that I just wanted
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  Speaker 3: to learn ac DC. That's all I wanted to do.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm trying to imagine, like from your dad's perspective,
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  Speaker 1: Like at some point he must have realized, like I
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: must have like the most well behaved kid in the world,
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  Speaker 1: where my punishment for him is not not to like
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: keep him from playing his xbox or from doing some
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: sort of like you know, like doing weed or something like,
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  Speaker 1: my punishment is to.
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  Speaker 2: Keep him from playing guitar in his room.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's gonna be like that you like I have,
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  Speaker 1: you have literally struck gold as a parent. If that's
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  Speaker 1: if that's the worst your child, like that's your punishment
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  Speaker 1: for your child, truly.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's so funny. I've never thought about it
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  Speaker 3: like that. I was pretty good to my parents in
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  Speaker 3: high school. I didn't dream, I didn't smoke, I didn't
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: do anything really too bad in high school. They had
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: it pretty easy with me. Don't get me wrong. After
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I went when I went to college, like you know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: then then things changed a little bit. But you're right, Yeah,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: I totally I I took it. I took it pretty
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: easy on them, all things considered.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: You should you should not ask for a little bit
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: more of that inheritance or something.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally totally.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: So when when you guys get together here for Thanksgiving
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: or for Christmas, will you be taking part in the
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: quartet or something like that?
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Oh man, this year, Colin Colin's family, like they when
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: they get together for Thanksgiving and Christmas, it's a it's
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: a football game, uh that you know, we're Colin has
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: to jack up, you know, he just really got to
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: hit his cousin that he's always kind of secretly here. Really,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: but I would imagine for your family, you're not you're
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: not playing football. There's not like a family football game
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: that's going on. It's a it's the family quartet.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: It is you, whatever it is you you are handed
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: like so this this Thanksgiving, we're actually not traveling. We
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: are holding out for Christmas and then the family's gonna
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: come up here and we will see what happens. But yes,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: the last time family gathering happened with that family. At
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: that point, I probably hadn't played, like touched a violin
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: in probably like a year. I kind of go on
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: and off with it. But I showed up and you know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I was picked up from the airport and we went
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: and got tacos and it was really great. And then
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: it was like, you know, ten thirty eleven o'clock, long day,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: head back and I was like, Okay, I'll see you
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: guys in the morning. And my aunt was like, oh no, no, no,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: look quick rehearsal and then we'll go to sleep. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I was like what. She's like, well, we're playing tomorrow
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: night for the for the service. And I was like
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I'm not. And she's like, here's your part, and she
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: handed me a violin and here's the thingya truly and
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: she's like and she's sweet about it. If they're kind
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: of relentless, and when I would make a mistake, they'd
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: be like, oh okay from the top and I'd be like,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: damn dude, and you just it's the kind of thing.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: It's like a grandma, you like, don't have a choice.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: It's not like, oh I'd rather not. They they don't care.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: They're just like that's fine, I don't. It's not really
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: about if you want to do it or not, because
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: you're just doing it, and you will get like, you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: kind of childhood like ribbed by your cousins out of
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: your same age, being like just shut up, just stop
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: fighting it, just stop, just just play. It's fine. But yeah,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: that one happens. It is like things are sometimes I'll
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I'll have to sing, they'll give me there, like you're
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: in the choir this year, and I'm like, dude, I've
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: never even done this, Like I don't, I don't know. Yeah, Yeah,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: it's funny.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: If you ever, like, have you ever thought to just
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you know, especially when you sing when they ask you
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: to sing to just like maybe scream it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, just scream it. I would never ever hear the
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: end of that ever again, and I would probably my
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: aunt would probably instantly slap me in the face without
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: a doubt.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: But many can I just not do it anymore?
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Then?
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Losing battle? Losing battle?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you ever wonder like I sometimes ask bands this,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and typically you know bands that are like, you know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: full time touring, uh, And I understand like Southtown is
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: not maybe not quite at that place, but I often
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: wonder or like one of the questions I ask for
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: bands that like, you know, really you know, like for
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the musician that we're interviewing, like that is their full
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: time thing, Like that's what they do, that's what they do.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: You don't pay the bills whatever. And I always wonder
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: like at what point, like does your family start, like
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: at what point does your family stop asking about that
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: thing as if it's a hobby.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: And realize like, no, that's what you do.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Now. I understand like maybe Southtown like feels a little
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: different where maybe it's still is kind of like that
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: side thing that I still do as a side thing. Yeah,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: but but yeah, like have you ever wondered like if
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: you guys had gotten to let's say, you know, like
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you get signed and you're full time touring and.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: You yeah, I guessee or whatever.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Do you ever think like do you think your family
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: would ever get to that point of actually accepting that.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: No? No, okay, Well I think well, okay, I think
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: it's it's probably the same for a lot of people.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I think. Okay, So, like any industry, right, you get
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: into it, and you know, you if you get signed
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: to your record label and you start doing opening tours
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: and you start doing this stuff and then you eventually
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: get to your place where yeah, you're you're doing your
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: headlining tour right, and you can book like your band
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: can pull one hundred and fifty kids out, which to me,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: if you could do a full US tour and pull
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty kids in you know, like twenty
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: five markets, that's to me, I'm like, that's pretty that's successful.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: That's doing it. You could make a living off of
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: that with other supporting bands and stuff and all that
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: kind of thing. But when I get to San Diego
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: where my family lives, and you know, we play at
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: the Triple Nickel bar that has a two fifty person cap,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: and they're like, this is cool and all. But like
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: when I go to concerts, there's like thirty thousand people there,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: and like, so I think, I think it really comes
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: down to how is your show in your parents' hometown,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: because that is gonna, I think for me, determine how
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: they're going to feel about what you're doing. And so
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: I think if the show, if the show is big enough,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: if you could get up to being like playing seven
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: eight hundred people, I think my mom might be like,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: so when are you gonna go back to your real job?
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Though?
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: But I think until that point she'd be like, this
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: is so cool, this is so awesome, I'm so proud
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: of you, but like, did you fully quit your job?
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Like is there still a door open there? Because this
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: won't last forever. In the sweetest way possible, my mom
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: is very supportive, but yeah, no, I don't know, that's all.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I'd be curious to hear what other people have said. Why.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think about like so Colin and I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: just saw Jimmy World about six weeks ago, and.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: They are a band, like you know.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Obviously in our ether of the world that we're in,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: like they're they are the biggest band you could imagine, right,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: but like a grand scheme of things like each probably
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: each one of those guys maybe outside of it's Jim, right,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Jim Mackins. Yeah, Like outside of Jim, I think every
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: one of those guys could probably just like go around
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: town or around wherever in any city in the country
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and probably beyond unrecognized, right, even fans, Yeah, among even fans, right,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: And to me, like there is a level of fame
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that I don't think a lot of people realize where
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you outside of your own niche thing, like you are
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: recognized even if somebody doesn't even isn't even a fan
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: of you. Right Like, even if you're not a fan
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: of Taylor Swift, if you saw Taylor Swift, you know
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: who that is, right There is a level of fame
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: that that or like you know, Colin just saw like
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a month or so ago, like Paul McCartney, right Like,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Paul McCartney is somebody that even if you're not a
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Beatles fan, you know who Paul McCartney looks like.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And you'd be like, wait, that's Paul McCartney right there.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: We just don't realize like how high of a level
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: of that is. And the thing is is like the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: average person that's the kind of music that they're listening to,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: is they're just like kind of this like like I'm
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: trying to like this sort of consumer that just isn't
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: like actually actively engaged in the music that they're listening to.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: They're just listening to whatever is getting thrown at them
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and this blog. Yeah, and so because of that, like
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you really have to break through to be actually recognized
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: by that average person. And so that's probably what I
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: would imagine like that's maybe for your family.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: That's what that is.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: And that's why like the the what they think of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: as like that's what a musician does is a thirty
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: thousand you know, cap.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Stadium, which is just I'm like, that is so that
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: not top one zero point one percent of musicians out there,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. Yeah, I mean that's such a good example. Yeah,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, Jimmy world is huge, man have been massive
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: since two thousand and one, and they can do whatever.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: But yeah, like and I wonder if I saw jim
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: would I reckon? Would I be like that is him?
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: That's yeah, you might second guess or something.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: My second guy. I might not even know. And that
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: is just funny, Like, yeah, how much man? Yeah, that
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: that upper echelon is just is crazy. That's crazy to
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: think about.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's so many great bands that aren't that
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: and that's perfectly fine too. And Southtown is one of
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: those bands that has captured my attention and held it,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: which is not easy to do. I mean, I'm constantly
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: listening to new music, and if I go back to
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: a record that I've listened to recently, it usually means
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: that there's something there that's caught my ear. And if
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: I go back ten, twelve, twenty fifty times like I
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: have for Southtown, that's really a sign that there's something
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: special there, at least to me.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Now, Thank you so much.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: I hope that that speaks to more people too, because
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: the songwriting for Southtown Lanes, like I was saying earlier,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: is way higher quality than I think the attention you've gotten.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I really appreciate you saying that. Yeah,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: it goes into what I was saying before. With take Care,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I really tried more so than ever to strip expectations
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: away of what could happen or what would happen, because
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: you know, you're kind of through experience you learn like
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: it just won't. It's just not good for you, and
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: it's kind of never enough when because I've also seen
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: other bands that have done very well and continue and
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: are blowing up and all this stuff, and like toured
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: with them, and you know, all that happens when you
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: get whatever that thing is. If your thing is, what
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: do you what do you consider equal? Right? So I
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: put this much work into this song, into this album.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: What do I What do I want? Okay? I want
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: to be signed to a label, and I want to
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: open for Hot Mulligain. That's what I consider to be success, right,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: and that's what you want, and that's expectation, and so
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: you go and you get that, and that all that
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: really happens is you then say, well, I want a
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: better record deal and I want to open for Jimmy World,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: and you just kind of will do that, I think,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: from an expectation standpoint, like kind of forever, definitely, and
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: definitely there will always be something better in a band
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: that has it better. There will be after you make
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: it for long enough and you're popular, there will be
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: a band that rises up to your level and above
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: in six months and it took you fifteen years to
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: get there. And you'll say, well, I want that. I'm
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: gonna start a new project and I want it to
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: blow up like that because I have all these connections
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: now and so kind of, yeah, what I'm getting at
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: is losing those expectations. And I hope with this next
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: album because despite me trying to not have expectations, I
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: know I still have and have like a lot, you know,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I still you still want a lot, and so if
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: this next album, I'm hoping to lose even more of
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: them and just really try to write to what the
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: album is and what it needs, and I think that's
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: at least the best form of songwriting, yeah, that I
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: can do.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Sure. Sure. Do you feel like this last record was
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: kind of centered around a singular thing, maybe a life
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: event or something, because it, to me it almost I
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: don't want to say it sounds like a concept album,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: but it feels like a lot of the songs are
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: touching a lot of the same the same points.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the the record is entirely it's about grief,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: and it's entirely around the passing of my dad. You know, this,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: this massive figure in my life that you know we
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: talked about was yeah, the person who really gave me music,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and you know, he just had in a lot of
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: was a really sad life and really a lot of
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: sad aspects to his life. And he died in a
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: sad way from addiction, and it was just it was
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: it was hard. It was a hard way to lose
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: a parent. I was you know, you know, you're younger
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: than you probably don't want to be. I'm thirty three
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: now and I think I was twenty nine. I think
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I was twenty nine when it happened, not to say
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: that people don't go through that every day everywhere, but
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: so the record is about that. It's kind of at
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: that moment how I felt, what that grief felt like,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: my relationship with music while also losing how the music
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: was brought to me, and how I would kind of
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: want to like honor him and how I would want
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: him to how I'd like to think of him as
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: a Yeah, so sorry, I kind of get lost in
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: it there. But that's what take Care is about. That's
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: what the album titles about. It is at the end
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: of it. You know, if there's one message, if there's anything,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: it's take care. It's and so that's that's what it is.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: And getting to write the album, it was incredible, Like
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: when we started writing that record, we were writing it
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: in my dad's house where he lived alone, and he
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: hadn't been doing well and he had been in and
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: out of recoveries and in treatment centers in hospitals, and
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: his house was just falling apart man, and we carved
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: out this like the living room. I shoved all the
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: couches to the side and everything because I knew he
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: wouldn't really be in there. And that's where we started
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: writing the album, and then he passed like in the
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: middle of us writing it, and so the experience of
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: like writing in this house as we're like selling it
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: and like, I don't know, to me the record and
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: hopefully it sounds like one thing is because it was.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: It was really such an important thing for me to
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: have for his passing was this band and being able
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: to write this album and being able to do it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I I don't know what I would have done without it.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but that that is, that is what that's
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: what the records about.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: With the if you could, if you could have your
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: dad sit next to you right now and listen to
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: that record with you, Yeah, what do you think he
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: would say or how do you think he would respond?
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: I think he'd be devastated in the best way. I think.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I think if he got to hear it, I think
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: he would be I think he would hear a lot
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: of pain in it. But I think he would hear yeah,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: a lot. There's a lot of like pity in the record.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of my just sadness for him as
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: a person. I think I think think he would be devastated,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: like I said, but in in a good way and
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: in some ways to me the record, I don't know.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I guess, I guess that's what I'll say. I'll leave
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: it with that.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: One of the things you brought up the fact that
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: you wrote you started writing the record while he was
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: still alive, and then obviously continued to write it after
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: he died. I find that to be like a really
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: unique experience, especially for writing a record.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of records, like you.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Know, obviously, I've heard records where somebody close to the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: songwriter dies and the record is written after that. So
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the record is written in reflection of the death. And
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: what I'm curious about is are there some songs on
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: this album that were written prior to him dying, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: what maybe sort of change happens maybe thematically after he
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: dies in terms of way, Like, I don't know if
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: that was a distinction that you noticed as you were
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: writing the album, but I can imagine that being a
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: potential thing.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: A few songs. Firstly, my h the the non emotional
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: response is my songwriting style is very, very weird. I
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: like almost keep everything I have ever written, I just
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: it's just about when it gets used. So there are
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: like riffs and parts of songs that were probably written
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: in like twenty sixteen that are on Take Care because
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I'll write it it doesn't fit for what I'm doing,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: and I'll be like, let's tuck it away. That'll come
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: back eventually in time. And so yeah, there were a
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: decent amount of songs that were written, you know, before
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: his passing, but some of them, you know, the the
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: record changed so strongly when he passed, and like so
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: an example, there's a song, the second song on the
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: album is called Witness, and Witness is it's kind of
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: this like fast the versus the Little Boppy. It's very
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: major key, and the bridge of that song on the
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: record goes to a pretty heavy, screamy, yelly, intense section.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: And when that song was originally written, that did not exist.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: There the song continued to be I think there was
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: a there was a minor feel to it, but it
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: was it was not at all like we're gonna get heavy.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: And then for sure, at the ending of Witness, which
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: on the record right now is like this, there's piano,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: there's strings, it's like this massive ending of a song.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: At least for us, that didn't exist like that either.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: But when my dad passed that I mean that we
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: attacked that song differently and this like, yeah, it was.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: It was literally what you're talking about, like this this
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: moment like change stuff. I mean. And there's a few
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: other songs, a few other sections were heavily impacted by
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: his passing. I hadn't really thought about that, but that
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: is funny, like the original versions of the songs at
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: times didn't have I don't think at times had as
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: much intensity they were they were, they were lighter in
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: some ways, they were, Yeah, didn't didn't bring this this
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: same like darkness or heaviness that I think, And by heaviness,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I just mean more like weight like like yeah, intensity.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, that that's a that's a really good
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: question and a seculd observation.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Mm hm. When you go to write this next record,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: sounds like you're already in the process.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I am. Yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Are you planning to try to kind of tap back
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: into that same state of mind, that same intensity, or
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: are you planning to go a different route?
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: No? I you know, I view I have, Yeah, this
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: thing where I look at a lot of artists, you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: bands that I've always looked up to, and I've looked
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: up to. Yeah, a lot of what they've done, and
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: a lot of them can tend not I mean not
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: all of them, but a few bands, as I call
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: them the Big three, and these artists tend to go
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: through a lot of bands go through this progression where
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: their first album is this generally more stripped down, raw
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: version of the band before they really get picked up, right,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: And that's like the bands, you know, we're still figuring
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: it out. So for me, like if we're talking about
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Jimmy World, that's kind of like clarity, right, And so
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Clarity happens, it does well, it's not huge, it's whatever,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I know, you know, they got dropped by their label whatever.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: And then you put out the sophomore effort, which to
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: me is always the bands like, this is what they are,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: this is what the band sounds like, and this is
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: the radio hit. And so for Jimmy World, that's what
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: bleed American, right, and it has the hits, that has
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: the middle, has all that stuff on it. And to me,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: take care, what was that. It's our second album. It's
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: the second one. It sounds like, yep, this is like
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: what quintessential Southtown sounds like. And then the third album
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: is the big one, like the concept album the all right,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: we've we've had some success, We've had this like, let's
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: see what happens if we take this to the next level.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: So Futures, which is arguably like a massive record, some
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: really long songs on there, like a lot more, but
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: also bringing in a lot of elements of clarity, not
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: just writing their commercial, you know, rock album, same with
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: like you know, like My Chemical Romance, right their Bullets
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: was their first record. Three Cheers was that thing, and
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: then the Black Parade so funny, it was a long
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: way about. I view this next record as being our
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: our big third like the let's let's take it up
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: one more not which I feel good about what the
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: concept of the record is going to be and how
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: it relates to the last record. And yeah, so I'm
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: not quite ready for the fourth album, which is generally
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: when the band starts to get a little weird, it
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: starts making some questionable decisions, when some fans start falling off,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: start wondering, uh, was did you really want to do that?
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: But you know, you gotta find after three albums, you
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: gotta find a way to keep having fun.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: But sure, yeah, I appreciate the outlook that you have
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: on it and the perspective that.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I do love the fact that you even like think
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: through like bands careers around that, because I think a
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: lot of other bands like they might have that same
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: sort of outlook, and but for for they for themselves
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: as a band, they're like, but we're not gonna like
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: we're we're still gonna do what we want to do,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: and like all the respect to bands to do that, right,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Like I understand that, Yeah, but they still have those
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: thoughts around like they're like, oh, like whether you know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: maybe it's like Jimmy World, for example, we keep bringing
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: them up, so let's bring them.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Up like Jimmy World.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Like they're they're just like they're totally they're abandoning what
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: made them incredible, what made them really good or whatever.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And everybody has that sort of thought. But for that,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: like for the people that are in bands that have
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: those sort of thoughts, it's like, well, what do you
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: do about your own band for that? And like to
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: make sure that that doesn't happen, But nobody sort of
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like everybody like wants
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to make sure every other band like doesn't.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Do this sort of trajectory.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but nobody else wants to like make sure that
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: they don't do that themselves.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: It's really hard. And I thought, I thought that thought.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I won't do that, I won't be like that,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: like my fourth album will still be so true and people.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: But I don't know. I think, and I think a
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: lot about this, like why do bands do this? Why
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: do they change their sound? And I think to be honest,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: and maybe bands wouldn't say it because from a publicity standpoint,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: it's not a good idea. But I think, you know,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of bands end up really resenting their last
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: or current albums as well as the fans. I think
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: when you are forced to play that music for three
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: years straight, two hundred and fifty days out of the year,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: and you're never home and you never see your family,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: I think by the end of it, you're like, fuck this.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't ever want to play the Middle
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: again ever, and I don't want to play anything that
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: sounds like it. I want something new. I need something new,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: or I won't be able to do this anymore. I
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: can't survive just playing the same thing over and over again.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: So let's get some synthesizers. Let's get some like pop
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: features and like, let's do something weird. And so that's
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: why I don't know bands. To me, it seems like
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: a naive standpoint. I'm like, I don't know, man, if
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: you get out on the road forever, like it gets tricky.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: But some bands have have managed to do it. I mean,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I even argue that Jimmy World is one of those
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: bands like that do it. I mean, what's the fourth
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know they had a record before. Yeah,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: I love Chases Light. I think it's a great record.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, that's it's the only Jimmy World record that
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: I'm like, this sucks.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: That's so funny. I agree to disagree, that's great. I
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: still love Chases. But I'm trying to think of like
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: other bands fourth out, Like what about Title Fight? They did,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: that's what if you get? Then they did Yeah, and
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: their fourth their fourth record was Hyperview, Right. Sorry, I
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: kind of just went in my head there but a
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: kind of divisive album where they got like chorus pedals
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: and we're like, we're not gonna do the floral green
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: thing anymore. We're gonna do this thing. And then the
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: band stopped happening after that because I think it just
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: became so.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: But then you get like a radio Ahead, Yeah that
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: makes Pablo Honey and then they're like fuck that sound altogether,
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: we're gonna.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: They break they break the mold. They're a unicorn band.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: But you're right, yeah, actually, like the true like dream,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: like if you think of it as like ultimate dream
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: when you're like thirteen years old and you want to
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: start a band, like the ultimate dream would be like
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: to be that exception band, the band that can or
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the artist that can like break the mold every time
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: that you release an album and your fans still love
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: it and potentially even it's still a commercial success every
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: single time. And radio Heads one of those bands that
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I mean outside of like I'm trying to even think
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: like what what for radio Head hasn't been like a
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: huge album for like I don't know if there's an
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: album where at least like one song on a Radiohead album,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: like they wouldn't be able to play live and people
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: would freak out, Like I don't think they maybe moonha
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Pools maybe, but like they doesn't have that ye dreamings
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: on that one.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: They actually they intentionally tried to create no like sing
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: a long songs on that one.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Which is crazy. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I mean
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: that's the goal, but man, it gets I don't Yeah,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a whole thing. Like I said,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time thinking about that. Like,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: but then you know, when you when you start moving genre,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: you get new fans, fans that that are like, I
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: don't actually like the old stuff. The old stuff is
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: a little too weird and edgy and dark and immature.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: I like this new stuff that you do. But yeah,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: it's interesting, I.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Will say so.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I just saw Thrice a couple of weeks ago, and
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and Thrice is a band where they almost feel like
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: and not obviously not in terms of sound, but in
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: terms of like just their career and their relationship with
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: fans and how they've been able to navigate the creativity
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: around their music and so on and so forth. They
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: do feel like the radiohead of the scene of that
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: we're in.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I completely I feel like most yes, I think most
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: musicians agree that Thrice is another Unicorn. They're like, no, no, no,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: they're on a different level like that, what they've done
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: is on a different yeah, trajectory, but yeah, totally. Where
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: are you, guys, are Central? Where where are you guys
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: even in the same city where you guys.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: At No, South Dakota and Minneapolis.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: South Dakota and Minneapolis.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, you got very central.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah truly, yeahs as.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Central as possible. Well, I any idea of roughly when
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: the fans should expect the next record?
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Oh man, it'll be a bit. I mean, it's so
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: funny the I plan things ahead like really far, Like
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: I really am ahead of stuff, like the other people
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: in the band, Like this week we're are meeting up
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: and they're gonna be like, we're doing another album. Oh okay,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: all right, so what do you think? And I'm like,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: don't I got it all? I got it all planned
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: not to. I don't like write their parts or anything like,
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: it's not like that. But I would say it would
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: be optimistic if it came out this coming year, in
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. But that is what I'm shooting for.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: So I'm shooting. But we'll see what happens.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Well, one more question before we move on to most
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: influential albums. The dynamics between your band seem very very
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: tight to me, just from like a visual aspect, then
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: also just from a listening aspect. You guys seem like
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: you are so in sync, and I think part of
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: that is obviously because you guys have been around for
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: a little while, but you guys have clearly matured together. Yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: what do you think is like the special sauce behind
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: South Down Lanes?
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: We oh, man, there's so much that goes into it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I mean me and Tyler, who was kind of like
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: the founding member of the band. I mean we we'd
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: known each other since kindergarten play so Tyler actually isn't
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: in it anymore, but Tyler played guitar. If you watch
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: our Go Cold music video, he's the one that isn't
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: me playing guitar. And Tyler's still like my best friend.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: He's he's he's awesome. It just gets harder to keep
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: doing this stuff, you know, when you get older in
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: your thirties and it starts it costs a lot. But
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: what is the glue? Yeah, A I think is that
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: we entered it really as friends, and then we really
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: grew together and went through some hard shit and still
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: came back together. So normal, normal trajectory friends like say music,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: let's start a band, We we play, we do it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Band gets hard, we start not liking hanging out together.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Tour sucks, we make no money. We're infinitely jealous of
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: every other band around us. I hate you, I hate you.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Band done, And I think that we were able to
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: grow past that, which did happen. I think I really
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: glossed over that in our history. I quit the band,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: like in twenty seventeen. I left and I was like,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: I'm upset with you, guys. They were like, I'm upset
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: with you. And it was a whole thing. We didn't
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: talk for like a couple of years, and then we
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: were able to mend it and we all realized we
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: really had something missing in this and it was this
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: connection and what we had through the band. And so
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: I think growing together and going through something really hard
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: like that as a group and being able to come
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: back together and in my opinion right for Cord and
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: release something that was better than what we had done before,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: or at least I don't like to use words like that.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Maybe not better, but but was able to pick up
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: where we had left off and continue on the storyline
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: of this band and continue on. I think that's a
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: deep part of what made us so height together and
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: so dynamic and so yeah for this record, just so yeah,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: so InSync.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate that. That's cool. All right. Should we
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: get into your top five most influential records Top five?
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, I've been trying to think of this while we've
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: been talking, and I swear this is not like I'm
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: not just saying this because we've been talking about it. Literally,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: the first CD that was rock music that I can
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: ever remember getting was Bleed American and I put it
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: in my CD player and I would play Zelda al
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: GREENO Times sixty four and I would just listen to
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: that album on loop. It would end and I would
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: start it over. I didn't really get it yet. I didn't,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: but I knew I liked it and that is the album.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: And then as I kept listening to it, like over
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: a year, I started to be like, wait, I I
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: really like this, this is this is what it is.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: So Bleed American to me is the album that got
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: me into listening to music. I don't remember like listening
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: to music before that album truly. I remember being forced
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: to play it in school. I remember having like top
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: forty like now that's music CDs and being like, yeah,
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: this is cool. But Bleed American was definitely definitely number five.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: If I'm yeah, looking at it chronologically.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Can I get the next one?
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Can I say right before you get into your next one.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: One of the things that I've noticed for actually now
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: years of asking this question to artists is every time
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: we ask this, were like, Hey, tell us about your
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: like top five or tell us your top five influential albums, right,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: And I often think to myself, like, if you just
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: ask the average person, especially in America, like what are
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: your top five influential albums? First off, most people would
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: not be able to even like identify what specific albums
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: of the music that they like, right, Like, they wouldn't
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: be able to do that point. Then there is another tier
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: of people where they like albums, but they wouldn't be
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: able to, like they would just start listening, like they
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: literally they would be like Taylor Swift evermore blah blah blah,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: but like they would just But then then there is
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: a tier of or a category of music fans, typically
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: musicians like yourselves.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Where as soon as we ask, hey, what's your.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Top five most and most influential albums, and you list
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: your first one and you immediately go into a story
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: about it, and that is what That's why Colin and
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I do this is because we ask the kind of
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: people where they we don't even have to ask you,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: tell us, tell us more about it, Like you don't
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: even like list albums. You're actually starting to tell us stories.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: And that's just like coming to mind right away because
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: we didn't ask you to do that. You just started
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: telling us this story about the time that you were
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: playing Zelda and your and you're listening did you meet World?
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: And you it just like brings you back. And and
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: that's how Culin and I are. And so every time
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: that we asked that question, it's so funny how like
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: so many musicians that's exactly what they do.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Yo, that's so awesome. You that's so sick.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: That's a good point.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: It's well it's funny, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: It's something that that you you kind of take for
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: granted when you're on this side of the microphone, because
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: you're right, Mason, if we were to ask anybody else
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: that they'd be like, uh, that one five Finger Death
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: Punch record, Yeah, you know. And yet it's like, why
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: is that influential to you?
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I just like to I like the
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: way it sounds. Yeah, be a little more descriptive, please.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: That's so funny. No, And I'm trying to think of
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: it because Clarity is my favorite Jimmy World record, But
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: I have to say that, Yeah, Lead American, I think
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: was more influential on me as a song right or Yeah,
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: my musical journey. They led me straight into my chemical romance.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: Who to I think if I had to put one
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: band that is like, this is the band that changed
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: everything for me. It is my chemical Romance. It will
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: always be them. My favorite record by Farrest is their
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: second three chaser, Sweet Revenge. But I would be lying,
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: and I know a lot of my chem fans would
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: be disappointing me for saying this. The Black Parade was
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: more influential on me at the time in high school.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: The theatricality of it. The big idea is, you know
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: that it was the first record that blended any kind
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: of orchestral thing with rock music, which taught me I'm
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: like I could do that, Like I like, I don't
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: have to just be a loser violinist, Like I could,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: I could like do that And that literally that album
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: made me get the guitar.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I makeup.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, they were like the first like real concert
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: that I went to in freshman year. So Black Parade
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: has to be number four. Again, I'm going influential, not favorite,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: But third Moving along the Island was then I got
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: onto guitar. I knew I wanted to be an emo
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: band and do this stuff, but I was started guitar.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: And I have to say that Paul of Troy's doppelganger
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: was immediately a huge influence on guitar playing because his
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: guitar playing is so like I mean, I mean the erratic,
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: and they stayed about Jimmy Page slop like so much
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: is just pull offs and all this crazy stuff. And
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: whenever he doesn't know what to do, he just starts
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: hitting dissonance. But it's so but it sounds so cool,
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: especially when you're in high school. It's like the sickest
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: sounding thing you could ever imagine, Like it's just shredding,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: and so it's very attractive to want to learn how
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: to play. And then but and I maybe I'm selling
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: him too short, because he's an incredibly talented guitarist and
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: can play scales fully and sweep and do a lot
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: of technical stuff that isn't just like I think he
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: was just like self taught because he was a drummer
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: before and was like I'm gonna play guitar now, and
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: you know, he just freaking went for it.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: But that's a band that blows my mind because like recently,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I think they they like released like a new album.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Was it like a year or two ago, and like
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: they hadn't Yeah, they hadn't been a band.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: For a while.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: But Fall of Troy is like one of those bands
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: where I never really understood their level of popularity until
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: they just like released this like new album and they
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: were like they literally like they headline red Rocks, And
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, what really, Like they're big enough to
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: headline red Rocks, And like part of the reason why
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: it blows my mind is I'm a huge at the
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Driving fan, and so my like when I think of
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I always forget their names, but like the guys that
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: ended up forming Paul of Troy, I just think of
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: them as like at the Driving guys, and Fall of
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Troy was like the side project, but Faul Troy got
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: to a point where like, wait, actually that's the side
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: project that got way bigger than the main thing. Yeah,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: And like that rarely happens, right, Like we hear all
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: the time of like bands that like, you know, they'll
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: they'll be the main band or whatever, and that dissolves
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and then the side project starts or like
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: the next thing happens, and it's just never quite as big.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Or quite the same.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: But Fall of Troy's like one of the exceptions on that,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Like where at the Drive in massive at the time,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: and then Fall of Troy got way bigger, and it's
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: just one of those things where I didn't realize how
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: much bigger they got until much later after the fact.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Totally, yeah, they did. They they got out there. I
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: mean there were a lot of I remember one touring
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I think we were in the Midwest somewhere,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: but we were playing with this other emo band called
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: Arrows in Her and as we'd like we can join,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: and we were all sitting there at a house like
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: staying somewhere. After the show, someone started playing FCP remix
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: and then we literally went around a room and I
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: watched all these emo musicians be like, oh, I know
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: this Fall of Troy song. I know this, And I
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, every like every twinkly emo
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: emo kid that I know, like came up on Fall
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: of Troy at least that's, you know, in my age thing,
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: and I think that's so funny. But yeah, everyone at
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: some point was like that or at the Drive In
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: super similar. I mean to me, at the Drive In
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: is like grown up. Fall of Troy is like like
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: or maybe like intentional. I guess it's like at the
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Drive And I'm like, well, they're like, I don't know,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: in a musician's standpoint, I'm like, well, instead of just
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: pulling off the open string, they're they're hitting the note
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: that actually would make sense there rather than just this
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: kind of erratic sound. But babe, second man, I have
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: so many and I'm really struggling to pick which one.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: But I have to say because I've followed them for
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: so long, and this is when I've answered this question.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: This is the one that usually people don't know this
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: band as well. But do you guys know the band Mansions?
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: Not familiar now?
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: Mansions is he He was just one guy at one
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: point and then I think he's had other people come in.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: But Mansions is just this band from I think they've
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: been in Seattle the entire time. But Mansions changed the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: first South Pound music was just heavier. Mansions, he really
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: is just this kind of it's like singer songwriter stuff.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: I really don't know how to say it. If you
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: play guitar, he plays an open d a lot. It's pretty,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: but it's just like this sad emo music. But that
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: for some reason, that first album, Dig Up the Dead.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: I still listened to it to this day and when
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: I'm having a hard time figuring out what should happen
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: next in the song, I will repeatedly go back to
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: that album and just remember my roots. Like to me,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: it really again, Jimmy World was how I discovered music.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Mike m told me I wanted to play emo. Fall
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: of Troy was like, I'm going to be able to
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: play guitar, not well, but make it sound like I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: can play guitar well. Mansions was like, Oh, this is
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: how the music is gonna actually sound. This is how
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: this is the real thing. We're not gonna sound necessarily
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: like the Black Parade. We're gonna sound like this. So
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: that would be my fourth and then my fifth for
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: influential has to be it has to be mean everything
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: to nothing by Manchester Orchestra. Like I mentioned earlier in
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: the in the podcast Andy Hole is like maybe like
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: my number one idol. I think everything he's done, from
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: the soundtracks he's done to just all the projects he's
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: been in. But I swear that man is just like
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: gold in music, like anything he does, and he's becomes
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: this like parent figure to like future you know, to
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: like Julian Baker, to Phoebe Bridgers to like all these
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: other art like another one of my favorite bands like
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: All get Out like he that him and in Manchester
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: Orchestra to me are also like one of the most
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: underrated band Like to me, that band should be fucking massive,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: like I just think they're but uh and why they're influential.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Song structure exists for a reason, and you don't need
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: all the trumpets from the Black Parade and you don't
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: need the crazy asque guitar lead from Fall of Troy
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: to make a really good song. And Manchester Orchestra has
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: like instilled to remember like what it means to write
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: a good song and what what can be done literally
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: with two chords for for an entire song. So I
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: think to me that yeah, me and Everything to Nothing
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: is is my fifth It's.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: A great one. Mason and nice Uh, Manchester Orchestra and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: Jimmy World at Red Rocks was that two years ago now,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: mays right? And it was incredible because you know, Jimmy
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: World is headlining. Technically, they're both, they're like co headlining technically.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: Jimmy World was playing last, and that's what I came for.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, I literally flew there to go see it
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: because I wanted to see it so bad. There. Yeah,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: and uh, Manchester Orchestra brought the house down beforehand and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: honestly kind of stole the show, I would argue, and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: it was it was an emotional heavy moment.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Andy's scream like whenever he would just like the way
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: it filled Red Rocks in particular, And I don't know
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: how screams do in Red Rocks, but my goodness, his
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: scream in particular at Red Rocks.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Ho Lee cow.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, They're show just changes the game. It's crazy,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: like yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you guys saw it.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: It's I've got to see them a couple of times.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: But yeah, his yeah, his voice is something else.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah. When you say that the live show changes the game,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: I've always like been like a casual listener at times.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: Manchester Orchestra but after seeing them live, I get it.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: It's like it clicks. You get it. You're like, oh,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: oh okay, I understand. Oh this is why this album
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Okay yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're They're so good.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: Totally all right, man, what would you like to plug?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: Plug?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: We are in a weird not weird, but and in
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: between we're kind of getting ready to restart here. We're
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: gonna be announcing some shows out here in the Pacific
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Northwest in kind of the first quarter January February March.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: I can't I can't name any of them quite yet,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: but if you're in the Pacific Northwest, we're gonna be
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: doing some stuff soon. I think we might be doing
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: a run out east pretty soon, maybe even coming through
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: your guys's neck of the woods. Yeah, we got a couple,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: we got a couple of videos up. Check them out.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: But really, if I had to plug one thing for
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: the band right now is yeah, look out, look out
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: for some shows coming in twenty twenty six. We're gonna
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: try and get some stuff going before we uh potentially
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: record another record and uh yeah that's that's what we
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: got going on. Yeah, there's one more.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, you have some you have some cool
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: merch too, like.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: Totally merch is always always for sale on on the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: band camp. Thanks for saying that.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it. I like the designs. They're very very
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: uh uh. They're very kind of dark, but not not
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: like in like your metal way or anything like that,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: more like, yeah, your moody way, you know.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, our manager was sitting next to me. Jed literally
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: designed all of them and like really took us under
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: his wing. And honestly, Jed yeah paved paved the way
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: for a lot of house Southtown put out this record.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: So and Jed Jed is actually helped us with a
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: much bigger thing.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, show us Jed.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: Quick judge does not he judge? I swore I would
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: not show him. He made me swear and I won't
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: do it. I respect it.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: We can't, we can't give me give me your hand.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Is his last name Jed Bush?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: No, it's Hambleton. Is a Jed clamp It Hamilton, Jed Hamilton.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: All right, Well tell Jed because I will seems like
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: a cool dude. Yeah, all right, anything else you'd like
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: to plug?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Well, So part of why I asked Jed to be here,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: Jed has a lot of connections in like a lot
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: of places, and it's part of why I've been able
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: to yeah, part of why we wanted him on board.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: And he's kind of, yeah, a unicorn in that way.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: But do you guys do Tim Robinson at all?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah? I love Tim Robinson?
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, do you guys do? Have you guys watched Chair Company?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: Not yet? It's on my list here to probably watch
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: tonight to start with.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, so he you're okay, You're okay if I say
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: this right? Okay, So, Jed's I can't name names. Jed's
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: cousin is a part of that show in some capacity,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: and Jed was able to get us actually like a
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: literal guest spot on the series finale coming out next week. Truly,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: all of Southbound. Tim Robinson is like literally gonna be
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: in the shot. He's like singing along with it. It's
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: like a huge thing. I think it's gonna be like
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: huge for us, truly. I can't, like, I can't name
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: any names of who knows who and stuff and that.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: But if you if you watch Hair Company, it comes
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: out on Sunday night, So if you watch next Sunday night,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: you'll see Southtown Lanes on HBO, like on the screen.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about Southtown Lanes, but
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: like when I think of Southtown Lanes, and if I
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: were to think of a comedy equivalent, it would be
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Tim Robinson.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's what it is. I don't know. I'm
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: excited to see. You know, we did a whole bunch
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: of shooting and stuff and I didn't really get to
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: see how it's going to turn out. So I'm excited
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: to see it too.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, what an exciting moment.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: Truly, I know we are so hyped about it. Yeah.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: I think about a lot of the bands that we
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: listen to and how they kind of got to start,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: oftentimes from some some little show piece or something like that.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys remember I was the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: movie Lords of Dogtown.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: Blindside plays a song really really and yeah and no
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: it's called Grind Grind the movie Grind. It's another another
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: skateboarding movie.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, okay.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And they play a song like near the end
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: and this like early on in their career. In it,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: they went massive. It was pitiful.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome. Well, hopefully the same thing happens solid.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: We could really use it. We could really use it.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: So hopefully if people watch Chair Company, they'll be like,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: who's that weird email band at the end with that
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: crazy song?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: Who says nepotism is bad? Come on?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, I agree.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Milk that as much as you possibly can.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: Right soon, soon enough you get the San Diego Philharmonic Orchestra.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, the banana stand that is the orchestra, his.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: Cousins and everything.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah truly. Yeah.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much Matt for hanging out with us
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: and talking more about South. Heleans super excited for you
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: all and the eventual new album. And uh yeah, if
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: you guys come through the the Midwest at any point
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: anytime soon, Colin and I will be there. We're excited,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: absolutely cool.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much. Thank you so much for
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: having me and listening to me talk for like an hour.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: That's crazy that you will think of it, man. Thanks
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: Joy