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Roger E Palomino | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #36 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  One. Hello and welcome to another
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  episode of the Christian we've podcast.
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  Today's guest is an actor a singer, a tap dancer of writer,
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  a TV host, and a producer. And that's just some of the
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  things that this guy. Yeah.
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  Name is. Roger a palomino.
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  Welcome to the show. How you doing?
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  Thank you. Thank you very much.
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  It's great to be here. Thank you for the invite.
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  And yeah, I think you pretty much covered everything.
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  Yeah, I know, it's just good food with these things in them,
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  like, because it makes sense to me.
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  I've had a few actors on the show before and I've done a
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  little bit of acting myself, and I know that it's.
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  Yeah, I think, I think it's fair to say if you work in any kind
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  of entertainment role, you tend to be involved in all of these
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  different things just by nature and add some true.
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  That's the thing, the more and more people, I meet in the more
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  I can get up to date with it. The more I understand that
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  there's this thing in the industry.
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  That's like the three Common brought the name of it is but
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  it's like if you can dance sing and act then that's the real
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  threat. Yes at the three bases kind of
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  covered kind of deal. Like is that like you have you
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  always been sort of this way inclined because I find with
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  myself with what I do, everything has kind of been
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  natural. So like if I take acting as an
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  example, you know, that's only something I did last year.
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  But soon as I did it, I was like, oh, this is this is just
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  like Music which I've done all my life like it's, you know,
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  it's natural. I mean, how was it for you in
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  terms of not before you got professional?
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  But when you were kind of just starting out like, what was,
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  what was that like, for you? Wow, early on.
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  Yeah, I think my early influences, because my family
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  and I were all originally from Lima, Peru, South America, and
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  so because of my dad's job or relocated him to Venezuela,
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  also, in South America. And so, when we move there, I
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  remember my very first Exposure to television.
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  I started watching a lot of black and white projects,
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  especially black and white film and comedies, you know, from the
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  USA and I think because during that time, that was the late
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  70s. And so that was really big back.
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  Then I remember a lot of programming was from the USA
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  predominantly and so, I think those were my early influences
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  and I think I, as a child, would try to imitate and Replicate a
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  lot of the action and maybe the dialogue not so much because I
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  was barely learning English but eventually you know the rest is
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  history. So we're talking you know maybe
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  like your Laurel and Hardy Charlie Chaplin.
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  That kind of things that yeah Lauren Hardy Chaplin The Three
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  Stooges Little Rascals. Yeah it is amazing to me
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  actually because I remember that stuff I think because my I know
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  my grandparents are fans of law or not.
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  Hardy. And when I saw it, I was like,
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  this is genius that obviously. But yeah, it's something you
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  don't see as much anymore. I don't know if what that means
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  is about you, do you know? And I noticed that too, that's
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  one thing I really love about the UK and also my early
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  influences, because my dad would watch Agatha Christie and
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  Sherlock Holmes, and he was a big fan to of my dad because of
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  his generation, you know, he, he introduced me to Benny Hill as
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  a, who's that? And so, as a kid, I started
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  watching, I was like, oh my God, that's That's crazy and
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  hilarious but you know, I really had an appreciation for that
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  slapstick comedy. I'm like, wow, you know, that's
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  okay. So that's pretty interesting.
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  So a lot of my early exposure was British programming.
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  So I think that's really what I what I attribute a lot of my
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  influences to as well, I get that and I mean the one that's
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  one thing that's amazed me particularly when I've lived in
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  different countries around Europe is like the the reach of
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  British media because obviously like American Media and It's
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  proliferation is just how it is everywhere in the world, you
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  know, chances are, you know, like the major movies and TV
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  shows and stuff. But with the UK it's a little
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  bit more Niche, by comparison depends.
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  But with that being said, yeah, like I've met people say in the
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  states that no of Benny Hill and I'm like, how do you know about
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  Betty Hill? It's such a weird.
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  Yeah, here is what we call it repeats on certain networks
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  because they know there's an audience that loves that.
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  At that loves that programming. And and maybe that might be
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  something that's a trend in different parts of the world.
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  Like maybe they get more programming from outside than
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  watching a lot of their own maybe because I've noticed that
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  in the UK, there's a lot of, for example, I think there's an
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  appreciation, you can correct me if I'm wrong.
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  There's a lot of an appreciation for like third, the Golden Era
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  of Hollywood in America and early Jazz from what I noticed.
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  Yeah, I think it depends on the, on the circles.
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  It's like I said before like obviously you know, my general,
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  Our Generation we know about people like Chaplin and and, you
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  know, these older generations and stuff.
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  I think that maybe it's not as like, more as mainstream as it
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  was kind of thing. And like, when it comes to the
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  American Media in the UK, obviously we have a lot of like,
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  contemporary shows and stuff. And from what I understand of
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  the TV industry, it's like like He's out by these packages.
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  So whatever kind of like country you're in.
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  It's kind of luck of the draw. Actually, what, what movies or
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  TV shows you'll get. And the same is true music as
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  well. So like, for instance, this is
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  really left field, but I lived in a country in Europe, called
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  Estonia for three years. And oh, yes, recently, moved
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  back to the UK. And I remember that they had
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  this like retro station where they play like, you know, 80s
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  90s music, right? And it would bull be music that
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  they kind of Upon in that country.
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  So be a lot of like foreign stuff but then they had all
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  their own stuff from that time as well, but I noticed, like the
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  playlist was very specific. It's the same songs all the time
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  and it's like, I would sit there, listening to them, like,
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  okay, some of them I get, you know, like, okay, there's some
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  Queen. There's, you know, a bit of a
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  bore whatever, right. But then they'll be like really
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  random stuff like, like, remember that song by that band?
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  I think I called the crash test dummies where the song Yes.
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  Mmm. I was like this is a really.
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  Yeah. Yeah you actually.
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  Wow. Yeah.
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  That brings back memories. Yeah.
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  That brings back memories. Yeah.
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  I grew up listening to that and and yeah Estonia correct me if
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  I'm wrong. That was a former Soviet Union.
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  Okay yeah. Yeah.
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  And it's amazing that here when I meet people there maze that I
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  might know that because and the thing is My parents especially
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  my daddy would always get me to watch programming other than
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  just American programs. Like you need to just you know,
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  as a child. And I think I'm appreciative of
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  that because I think I have an appreciation for just different
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  cultures and he would always tell me you need to watch
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  something other than just American TV, which is great.
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  But you have to expand your horizons, you never know where
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  you're going to get a chance to travel and he told me that
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  because as a geologist, a former geologist, he had an opportunity
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  to travel and he has like a big love and appreciation for the
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  you Okay, for a lot of obvious reasons but he said before he
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  became an actor he would tell me.
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  Oh yeah, there's a lot of culture and art and the best
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  actors, which is true and I'm like, yeah.
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  So I paid attention to all that. I think they've influenced
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  everything I do now 22 as well. So yeah.
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  I think it's a solid point. I mean, you know, see with me
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  growing up in the UK. Like, I could obviously relate a
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  lot to Americans and, you know, I'm very used to the media and
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  stuff and it's just to something It is the way it is, but when
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  you start traveling to other countries it's like we're it's
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  so foreign so different and you're like, okay.
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  And then like you said like yeah I think it goes into all areas
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  of your life. Like once you discover like huh,
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  okay, people live in totally different ways in other parts of
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  the world and think differently and a crack in everything is
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  different movies. You know, like I found some of
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  the most amazing music ever and films to from.
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  Yeah, like countries like Estonia and it's like oh wow.
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  Okay and he did to me it's fascinating.
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  Like I can't believe that people don't travel more to be honest.
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  Like I think it's one of those things that he seems to be like
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  like that's a hub dinner me. Like that's a hobby traveling as
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  a hobby and it's like I get it. Yeah.
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  But it should just be something that people do like eating or I
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  know Sleeping Lady. Yeah, yeah.
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  And you're right about that. I think that's probably the the,
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  I'd like to call it may be there.
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  V people have of Europe is that because the countries are so
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  close together that and, and different modes of
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  transportation are accessible to everyone.
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  So, I think it makes it easy to just hop on.
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  Let's say a train and say, you know what, I'm going to go to
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  Italy or wherever you want to go or, you know, from like let's
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  say London, I'm going to go to Wales and so that makes it a
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  whole lot easier when they're so close together versus like the
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  USA. So huge and some of our States,
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  are you no further out west and so that makes it a little bit of
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  a challenge. And then, you know, Canada is
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  also a big country and Mexico and Latin America, you know,
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  it's further out so. So yeah, I'd say it's easier to
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  travel in Europe. I would say just based off of
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  the way it's set up. Let's bring it back to you.
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  So you said that yeah, you were born in Peru but you then moved
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  with your family and grew up in Maracaibo in Venezuela.
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  I wanted to kind of just ask you on this real quick because I
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  have some friends. I've worked with over the years
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  that from Venezuela and oh, yeah, they're like really like,
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  really chill and Casual about this.
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  And I understand now, because I've had friends in Europe that
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  have lived in like similar tough situation.
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  So, I understand it's like being numb to like, Crazy stuff but to
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  me, British guy who's never experienced this, I'm like,
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  what? But anyway, yeah, there's many
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  that say that it's one of the most dangerous places to live in
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  the world's. What are your thoughts on this
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  being that you were actually, you know, living there for very
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  long time and what was it, like, sort of growing up there when
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  you were that, I would say. I had an advantage because as a
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  child, I moved to Venezuela. We moved there officially in
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  1978. So we were there.
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  And the late 70s, early 80s. So I think back then it was a
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  entirely different time. And the reason why I say that is
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  because the community that we live, that it was a bunch of
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  families that were also in geology and petroleum, just
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  because of you know, the country is very rich in oil to be kind
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  of like where I'm at in Texas. So I had exposure to so many
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  different cultures that are already with kids.
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  And I think maybe that's why my appreciation for So many
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  cultures because you know, I had kids that were Dutch.
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  There were kids that were South African kids that were from
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  Trinidad, so then it was dangerous, but maybe not as much
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  as like now within the last 10 years, I would say and it's
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  dangerous for both Nationals and foreigners alike.
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  So, it doesn't matter how you're dressed or what you look like.
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  It's, you know, it's you always have to take safety precautions
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  just because of everything that's unfolded with In the last
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  10-15 years, I'd say it's just this concept of, like, no go
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  zones is what really blows my mind because, yeah, I grew up in
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  London. There were places that there's
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  this place in London called Brixton, for example, which I
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  mean, I don't know if it's the same now, but when I used to go
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  there, it was the sort of place that you couldn't walk down the
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  High Street during the day without there being some
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  trouble. You know, most people if you
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  live, there you are, local, you're fine.
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  You know, maybe But it was like a like it was described as being
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  like a no-go Zone, but when, when it's compared to like
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  places like, you know, certain parts of Venezuela or certain
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  parts of America or wherever else in the world, like, no go
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  means know guys, like you said, like it doesn't matter if you're
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  a national or even a local, it's like right going there.
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  Pretty much means death which that blows my mind right there.
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  That that concept completely. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah that's right. Atlas anyway yeah.
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  So then you move to Houston Texas.
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  And okay. So what what kind of let's
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  before we ask this question? I just want to know, like she
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  said that you you moved from Peru to Venezuela at the tail
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  end of the 70s and it kind of sounded like you were there.
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  When you're quite young, maybe young child, maybe like 45 years
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  olds that write something like that.
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  Correct. Yes.
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  So like, how old were you when you sort of left Venezuela?
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  I was Seven and or I was going to be seven actually and we
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  moved to Houston Texas Spring Texas, actually in.
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  I would believe it was January of 1981 and the reason why I say
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  that is because that January because we're leaving a very
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  tropical climate in Maracaibo Venezuela, very tropical, very
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  humid and moving to Houston. And at that time it was snowing
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  well, Or at least what we call snow and other parts of the USA,
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  they'll call it sleet. Very yeah.
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  But but it was snowing and so that was my introduction to like
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  wow snow. So yeah we moved in.
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  I was going to be seven that year so yeah this fits into my
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  next question. Like was it a major culture
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  shock for you? Like how did you adjust to that
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  especially being a child as well?
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  I mean not every child is you know, I know that like when I
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  was a kid I was pretty adaptable.
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  I know that other kids like it sometimes, if there's a major
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  change and your parents can't, you know, you can prepare your
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  child to a degree but with a different culture it's like
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  everything's different like you know?
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  Yeah, yeah. Totally.
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  When we were in Venezuela, my parents were planning ahead that
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  they wanted eventually move to the USA.
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  Mainly because my older sister was going to graduate high
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  school and go to college at the University.
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  And so, in Venezuela and Maracaibo, I was already
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  enrolled in An American school and the reason why is my dad
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  wanted me to learn English fluently and I did but maybe not
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  as much as when I moved to Houston.
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  So when we moved here, I had already had friends from
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  different parts of the USA and the world that from
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  English-speaking countries. And so I think my shock wasn't
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  necessarily so much with culture, but it was with the
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  classroom size because I went from like a class of like ten
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  kids, including myself and Venezuela to like a class of 25.
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  So I think just seeing the big amounts of people at one time,
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  maybe was the shock for me. But that only lasted, maybe one
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  or two weeks and by then I had made friends and so I got over
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  it fast as a kid. I guess you're pretty like
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  outgoing kid but a stone two things then it wasn't.
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  Yeah once you got me get out of my shell.
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  Yeah you can get me to stop talking and I think some
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  teachers early on would say okay you know you need to pull a Card
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  and it had a different color. Like you know, if you're talking
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  out of turn or you're talking too much in class, you know,
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  this is interesting because yeah, yeah, cart system like,
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  you know, it's green and when you pull the card in its yellow,
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  that's like a warning. And so, and I think the color
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  the followed that was like, orange and then red, you're in
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  deep trouble. So it's just so interesting to
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  hear that around the world. I'm my experience.
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  Yeah, different that we we had this one at least in Why?
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  I don't know what you could do in your school middle school or
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  something like that. We had a minute system.
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  So and it sounds really ridiculous now, but basically
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  every Friday, half an hour before about to go, we had this
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  thing called Golden time which was 30 minutes, right?
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  So during the course of the week, if you were bad, for
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  whatever reason, you would lose a minute, you get a couple of
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  warnings before you'd lose a minute.
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  Ab, it was made like, all this is very serious.
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  Yes. And he's kind of messed up with
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  that now. I think about it.
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  Like, when it would get to that day, everyone that had like
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  minutes had to basically stand where the board is, and
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  basically, either one of two things, either one, they had to
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  stand and watch the clock. And here, like everyone else,
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  behind them having fun until their time was up, or they had
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  to stand and watch everyone. Having fun until their time was
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  up, and I sit there. Take it about that.
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  Now that's actually kind of messed up, you know, hey, what I
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  think, if I would have had that early on and probably would have
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  had me in line, would have been like yeah, no, I'm not acting
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  out of love out of line or talking out of turn because you
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  know, I don't want to be watching everyone having a good
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  time. It's just sick because of that
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  like yeah it sounds almost military because you know it's
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  equivalent to like, okay do some push-ups.
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  I would have preferred to do push-ups.
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  Oh yeah. Right.
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  Yeah. Anyway, let's bring it back to
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  you man. So you have a degree in
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  international business and I jumped at this because you know
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  I studied business for many years nice during management
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  with marketing so I know roughly.
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  I mean obviously it depends education system is different in
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  every country but I just wanted to know what prompted you to get
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  into this degree because this is quite a far departure from, you
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  know, what you do for a living that you're an actor or a
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  musician with these things. And, you know, While things like
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  business and marketing have their uses within, you know,
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  what we do it is very different. So I just wanted to kind of know
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  like you know, why you did this and what was it worth it as
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  well? That's one question, I want to
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  know. Yeah, that's a good question.
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  I got into it because I growing up I knew I wasn't going to be a
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  jolly just like my dad and I think mainly because I knew
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  science and math came easier to him than to me.
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  I think I was more that Humanities and the Arts.
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  But I had a Fascination for business because I noticed that
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  he would travel to all these amazing places, the UK Sweden
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  Holland. The Caribbean, he's been to like
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  all of Latin America just about I mean, just about every country
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  I can think of and Latin America and so yeah, I was so jealous.
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  I was like I want to travel I really want to do that and I
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  even had a fascination with like Africa because of the That would
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  mean that we're from South Africa.
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  So I would hear a lot of amazing things about that particular
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  part of the world as well as Europe and Asia.
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  I mean I definitely wanted to travel so I decided yeah why not
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  major in something that would eventually as a professional
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  take me from one place to the other and I think that's what
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  really prompted me to do that this man.
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  I said yeah whether any key lessons that you learned from
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  University because like I feel like for myself Elf what I took
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  away from uni was more tied with the experiences and the people I
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  met like the actual degree itself, I make jokes about this,
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  I don't like everything that I've done in marketing, like,
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  for work purposes. I learnt from scratch through
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  the jobs like it the degree. It was fun.
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  There was Theory and stuff, but I haven't used it at all, like
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  everyone's like, yeah, you never know.
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  You never know, you never know, but You know, everyone's
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  experience of university is different.
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  So like, what would you say, you took from that, or what are the
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  key lessons takeaways that you that you had?
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  I'd say the key lessons would be the discipline.
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  I had very good professors the university.
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  I went to is Sam Houston State University and it's when it
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  first started as a university it was a teacher's college.
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  So and then it began to grow and specialize in criminal justice
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  and then they I have a business department and from what I
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  heard, now, they have a film department.
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  I'm jealous. I'm like really?
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  That's I wish I would have had that option and it's known for
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  its broadcasting to like some of our well-known.
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  Broadcasters nationally in the USA, we're school there.
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  So I think the discipline is what I got from that experience.
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  And also just putting a lot of work in everything that I do, a
• 21:07
  lot of the professor's, there's a saying that goes that it's
• 21:10
  easy to get into that University.
• 21:12
  It's difficult to get out and it's true because they really
• 21:15
  make you work for your degree and and I would say that's
• 21:18
  something that I really utilize. Now, and everything I do is just
• 21:23
  the discipline and the dedication to everything.
• 21:26
  So that's that's interesting. I'm glad you asked you that
• 21:29
  because I got to say like if my experience least the unions and
• 21:32
  the universe, it's very like last a fair.
• 21:35
  Like it's like yeah, you know, you've paid all this money and
• 21:38
  you know, it's your degree and stuff, but we're not going to
• 21:41
  push you. Like, that's up to you.
• 21:43
  And, you know, like that's that's your thing, because I
• 21:46
  realize that when I came to UNI, I had to basically relearn
• 21:49
  everything. Like what we've been doing at,
• 21:52
  we call it a level. So it's the studies between 16
• 21:55
  to 18, so tail end of like, after high school, but just
• 21:58
  before you knew, right, right? This particular way that we were
• 22:03
  doing assignments and stuff was like, not wrong, but just not
• 22:09
  what you do at Uni. Do you know what I mean?
• 22:10
  You know what you have when you come there, you learn.
• 22:12
  Like journals and how you do your research, how you do your
• 22:15
  study like everything's different, right?
• 22:18
  That's true. Yeah.
• 22:18
  There's like with that I feel that you know all of that you do
• 22:24
  yourself is basically my point like you know it's up to you.
• 22:27
  The whole you degree experience is up to you in terms of how
• 22:31
  hard you push yourself or maybe you don't push yourself.
• 22:34
  You know I knew people that were repeating years again and again
• 22:37
  and I'm like damn this is costing.
• 22:39
  You like more and more money as well.
• 22:41
  Like this isn't like You know, when you're at school and you
• 22:43
  could skip a year and it's fine, it's like this is serious, you
• 22:47
  know, right. But I remember that, you know,
• 22:50
  like the teachers attitudes and the principles and all that were
• 22:53
  very like, you know, if you mess around that's that's up to you
• 22:56
  that they didn't care. And I'm just kind of like, wow,
• 23:00
  okay, nobody's gonna tell me you're out of line, you need to
• 23:04
  push refreshen. What I'm saying is it's
• 23:05
  refreshing to hear that. Like you went to a university
• 23:08
  where they were like You know, they pushed you, and they got
• 23:11
  the most out of you. It's good.
• 23:13
  There were, there were strict. Yeah, they were, they were
• 23:15
  pretty strict. And that was, that was very well
• 23:17
  needed during that time the way I was back then.
• 23:21
  And which, and would you say that like the degree or so?
• 23:24
  The the business side of things did has it.
• 23:28
  Helped you at all with your career like as it made a
• 23:31
  difference it has I'm a firm believer in the saying that
• 23:34
  everything happens for a reason and I guess I'm living proof of
• 23:38
  that because The job I have. Now I'm currently working for
• 23:42
  the public access television channel that is.
• 23:44
  So it's a non-profit in which that gives everybody an
• 23:47
  opportunity in the city to create their own program for TV.
• 23:51
  And any format, it could be a film, it could be documentary
• 23:53
  and that's where my degree actually played into effect
• 23:58
  because I had never worked for a non-profit prior to my position.
• 24:02
  But coming in, I came in as a part-time and then I eventually
• 24:08
  started getting promoted. It to like full-time and staff
• 24:11
  producer now the Outreach director.
• 24:13
  So I think yeah it everything that I did at the University
• 24:18
  really helped and I'm glad I double majored in international
• 24:21
  business and economics because you know, that was able to give
• 24:25
  me a wider scope of what I wanted to do and minoring in
• 24:29
  speech actually got me out of my shyness that I developed in in
• 24:34
  my teenage years. Yeah, well done man, get a good
• 24:38
  on you. I'm Tom.
• 24:39
  On actually get into volunteering that that side of
• 24:43
  things myself as well. And it's, it's funny, I mean, I
• 24:46
  can't speak for every where, but in the UK, like, this area where
• 24:49
  I'm in, right now, it's like any typical job situation.
• 24:53
  So, it's like I'm already a plan for what jobs anyway, now, I'm
• 24:56
  applying for volunteer stuff as well, and it's like, no, we're
• 24:59
  still going to, you know, push you, we're still going to make
• 25:01
  you run like, you know. Yeah, I'm giving you my time
• 25:05
  people. Totally.
• 25:07
  Yeah, the Fairplay know, you want the best of the best?
• 25:09
  Don't you want people that are going to be committed and work
• 25:12
  hard and stuff and I get that. Yeah.
• 25:15
  But yeah. So let's move it forward.
• 25:18
  Let's go straight into another aspect of your career.
• 25:23
  Couldn't your IMDb, you had a career in banking, which I found
• 25:29
  quite interesting but I wanted to look at the customer service
• 25:34
  side of this, as I've worked in customer services, quite
• 25:37
  extensively over the years and what Was the position that you
• 25:40
  did. Any point customer-facing or was
• 25:43
  it behind the scenes? It was completely
• 25:45
  customer-facing. I think they realized that I
• 25:49
  enjoyed being around people and cool.
• 25:52
  You know, I talked a lot. So they're like we need to put
• 25:54
  him, nobody wants to deal with all the customers that are upset
• 25:57
  because of whatever. Yeah you know when you're
• 25:59
  dealing with people's money any little bit get them upsets like
• 26:02
  you owe me one sense it's like okay and so they had me deal
• 26:07
  with all that I think That also help with what I'm doing as an
• 26:11
  actor too, because not to say that you would get along with
• 26:16
  everyone, but you learned the different personality types in
• 26:20
  which you can make it, at least civil area where you can work
• 26:24
  together for the time and just say, thank you until the next
• 26:29
  project. Do you have any like, crazy
• 26:32
  stories from that time? I mean, I feel like Erica,
• 26:35
  please. Share a few.
• 26:36
  I would love in America. Yeah, Americans.
• 26:39
  Very colorful very colorful, I guess with any part of the
• 26:42
  world. But especially here, I had one
• 26:44
  lady at a particular location at a particular bank branch that
• 26:49
  she came in and she said, we were about to close and we were
• 26:52
  getting ready and all of a sudden she walks in and she's
• 26:55
  like, they're after me, they're after me and she starts laying
• 26:58
  out all of her items on a little table.
• 27:00
  We had them like, okay, who's after you?
• 27:04
  And she's acting as if she's going to have a picnic and all
• 27:08
  her belongings. They're spread out and she said,
• 27:11
  they Kennedy's the Kennedy some, like the Kennedys.
• 27:14
  And and part of me was laughing in inside.
• 27:18
  And I said, Oh, you mean like John F, Kennedy jr.
• 27:21
  And she's like, yes. Oh, okay.
• 27:25
  And she started mentioning and Robert Kennedy to.
• 27:28
  And I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, because I, you know, what's
• 27:33
  going to happen, right? I'm like, no, and she's like
• 27:36
  they're trying to silence me. I'm like, why are they trying to
• 27:39
  silence you? I knew something was not right,
• 27:41
  we're good. And after 30 minutes of like,
• 27:44
  trying to convince her, that everything's going to be, okay,
• 27:47
  you talked to this guy for 30 minutes, trying to convince her,
• 27:52
  that everything is gonna be fine.
• 27:54
  And I didn't know what to tell her because I'm like, okay, I
• 27:56
  remember from my psychology classes, certain things but I
• 27:59
  mean not enough to deal with this particular situation.
• 28:02
  So then somebody a teller was signaling to me like, hurry up.
• 28:08
  So I said okay, Okay. And I had said, you know, we're
• 28:11
  closing, we really have to go. It's not safe to be here because
• 28:14
  you said the Kennedys are after you and they're trying to
• 28:16
  assassinate you and she's like oh yes it's scary and I'm like I
• 28:21
  think I saw somebody out there. Oh, that's right.
• 28:24
  And she said, oh my God, I need to get my stuff and I'm like,
• 28:26
  you'll be safe. I'm gonna, I'm gonna distract
• 28:28
  them and then you run out the door and you'll be saved.
• 28:32
  He'll be paying attention to what I'm doing.
• 28:34
  And I'll give you an opportunity to make a run for it.
• 28:35
  She's like, okay, and she grabs her stuff and we lock it
• 28:38
  immediately. So, you know, that's my, my
• 28:41
  crazy story out of many but that wasn't expected that thanks for
• 28:46
  sharing. Yeah, you're welcome now.
• 28:50
  He's one of the reasons I asked was that, you know, I find that
• 28:54
  when you've worked in customer services, it kind of teaches you
• 28:58
  a lot about, just, how what people like.
• 29:02
  And as you said, like, you know, if you study things like
• 29:04
  psychology and stuff that that helps to.
• 29:06
  But I find that as you said, like, you know, if you're
• 29:08
  managing Something that's very personal to them with me.
• 29:12
  I worked in, you know, hospitality and supermarkets.
• 29:17
  It was always dealing with things that, you know, I suppose
• 29:20
  a essential, you know, food and all of these things.
• 29:23
  But like, people just lose themselves, they just seem to
• 29:26
  kind of, I don't know that. Like I think in my very first
• 29:33
  year of like working in a supermarket I was pretty
• 29:36
  stunned. I was just like this 18 year old
• 29:38
  kid and you know I'm hearing all these like abusive words and
• 29:42
  crazy situation. Yes and then after a while like
• 29:46
  I just kind of went with the flow so hard.
• 29:48
  This is just customer services as why it's like.
• 29:51
  And then there's a break going to University and start taking
• 29:55
  these. These hospitality jobs on the
• 29:56
  side, right? And then when I got into those
• 29:58
  jobs, Then looked back at my time in, you know, supermarkets
• 30:03
  and was like, wow, I had it easy then like bit now.
• 30:05
  It's like really shit has hit the fan like people, the way you
• 30:11
  people talk to you, I mean, was like, just have you ever had
• 30:17
  like a situation like that? Like before we move on, I just
• 30:19
  want to like just ask you that real quick.
• 30:21
  It was already a time like what was the rudest customer or like
• 30:25
  situation you've ever had? Oh, wow.
• 30:29
  Yes, I had a job. A part-time job working for a
• 30:35
  cellular phone company and this one, businesswoman who I found
• 30:41
  out later was a life coach, and she was some type of Minister.
• 30:44
  I don't know motivational person.
• 30:46
  I was knew I was fresh out of training and I was trying to get
• 30:51
  everyone cell phones to work properly, and barely learned
• 30:54
  everything. And and most of the staff that
• 30:56
  was like, Under 21 think the night before they all went out
• 31:00
  drinking. So for them that was considered
• 31:03
  a sickness that they couldn't show up to work but I digress.
• 31:06
  Yeah. And so she walks in and I'm
• 31:09
  trying to help her she's in a hurry.
• 31:11
  And she's getting frustrated because I'm taking too long.
• 31:13
  And I was having technical issues with setting up her
• 31:17
  phone. And yeah, she started being very
• 31:20
  verbally abusive and I think there's a certain stereotype of
• 31:24
  people if they're dressed a certain way, or if Or a certain
• 31:28
  gender maybe they're like oh they're harmless is like I think
• 31:31
  any living breathing human being that can move can be harmful and
• 31:37
  dangerous, you know. I don't believe in a label or a
• 31:39
  stereotype but yeah, she was very verbally abusive even used
• 31:44
  a racial slur. Oh wow to toward me.
• 31:47
  Yeah, it to my face and it just baffles me that this was an
• 31:51
  individual that calls himself a life coach and a minister.
• 31:56
  So I that's why I I'm a firm believer.
• 31:58
  I don't believe in labels because I think somebody could
• 32:01
  be wearing a garbage bag and be the kindest person in the world.
• 32:06
  And somebody with a business suit can be the most rotten
• 32:09
  human being, you know. So yeah.
• 32:12
  And I think as an actor that really taught me a lot about The
• 32:14
  Human Condition, just you just needed.
• 32:18
  No. Get to know the essence of the
• 32:20
  person and not so much. What you see with your eyes.
• 32:23
  Could have Pegasus me as well that this person chose to Racist
• 32:28
  towards you when they're trying to get something from you know
• 32:31
  the real. It's like it, right?
• 32:33
  Basic logic. If you're trying to get
• 32:34
  something from the other person, maybe don't insult them.
• 32:39
  Right? Justin I did.
• 32:40
  Just the thought, I don't know. Yeah, I think what that taught
• 32:44
  me to is, I it taught me to be a much better customer.
• 32:47
  Not that, I was that way with anyone, but I think I'm even
• 32:51
  more empathetic now with with servers, especially, they ask me
• 32:55
  how I'm doing and I'm like, oh, I'm good.
• 32:57
  But More importantly, how are you doing?
• 32:58
  And they're like shocked, like nobody ever asked me that I'm
• 33:01
  like, I know, I know, and I did the reason why I do that is
• 33:04
  because I've worked with the public for so long and I feel
• 33:07
  your pain. So I told him, I'm very patient.
• 33:09
  So if you mess up, it's not such a big deal.
• 33:12
  You know, I always follow up as well with, like, I've been
• 33:15
  there, man, just don't look down to the floor.
• 33:27
  Thank So much for sharing. That's awesome, sure.
• 33:30
  Again, according to your IMDb, everyone check it out.
• 33:34
  Roger Palomino. Roger e&l Amino on IMDb can get
• 33:37
  everything there. It's very easy, but I'm very
• 33:39
  impressed by in terms of all. Thank you, you know, marketing
• 33:42
  and stuff like that, just Top Notch, thank you, thank you.
• 33:46
  Yeah, like I said in the Preamble you're a TV host or
• 33:48
  writer co-producer actor. How do you just like find the
• 33:52
  time to kind of Juggle, all of these things and which positions
• 33:57
  And do you like the most out of all of those like, you know,
• 34:00
  you're doing a lot of different things?
• 34:02
  And, you know, even with me, I do a lot of different things,
• 34:05
  but I have my favorites. I guess things that I'm
• 34:07
  gravitate more towards, like, what are your favorites from
• 34:10
  them? And yeah.
• 34:11
  How do you manage them all? That's a good question.
• 34:16
  I try not to bite off more than I can choose.
• 34:20
  So, whenever I have a specific project in mind, I try to
• 34:24
  prepare for it ahead of time, but But I would say my most
• 34:30
  favorite, that one's a tough one.
• 34:32
  I think most recently, because I've taken, I've tackled the the
• 34:36
  duties of a producer for a short film.
• 34:38
  I think I enjoyed that because I think that taught me things that
• 34:42
  I really didn't know about myself about delegating a
• 34:45
  project seeing it through and I believe because I'm a very
• 34:50
  analytical person, I think way had.
• 34:52
  And so I'm always paying attention to the scene, like
• 34:56
  different things. Things that could be involved in
• 34:58
  a scene like, you know, the background, the objects that the
• 35:03
  character would have the little nuances that they do, just every
• 35:06
  little, my new detail. If their hair grew, maybe like,
• 35:09
  half an inch on the side, that's something to pay attention to.
• 35:12
  And I think that, that sounds very OCD, but I think it helps
• 35:16
  to be that way, if you're in something like Film Production
• 35:19
  or TV production because I think the people that you work with or
• 35:23
  appreciate you more, I would say, if you pay attention to the
• 35:25
  fine details, I couldn't agree more like I'm imposed in a short
• 35:29
  film that back in Estonia. And because of like they basic
• 35:34
  we've basically filmed let's say 90% of it in like one particular
• 35:39
  week and I obviously started the project with a bit of a beard,
• 35:42
  right? So for continuity purposes, keep
• 35:44
  growing the beard. And it was fine that we would
• 35:47
  sort of growing it yet, or I was growing it, right?
• 35:49
  But my beard sometimes can go very quickly, right?
• 35:53
  So when we got to the final scene, this was a scene that was
• 35:56
  supposed to to proceed everything we'd already done.
• 35:59
  So I was like, huh, this is a bit tricky in the end, it didn't
• 36:07
  really matter. You couldn't, you couldn't
• 36:08
  really tell but it bugged me. And like I feel that when you
• 36:12
  say that like the OCD part of it, I'm like, oh no.
• 36:14
  I don't want it to because the thing is those fine details can
• 36:17
  pull you out, you know. It's like when for instance,
• 36:20
  when Game of Thrones was in its last season.
• 36:23
  And, you know, there was that famous scene where there was
• 36:27
  like a Speak up on the Starbucks coffee cup or something.
• 36:31
  And it was like oh no, like no. Yeah, I would be the one halting
• 36:36
  production saying, wait a minute, we need to get that out
• 36:38
  of the shot and if the director says, oh but we the time I'm
• 36:42
  like a great. We were, I know, we are limited
• 36:44
  on time but we need to get that out of the shot.
• 36:47
  It just blows my mind because obviously, it's filmed like, you
• 36:50
  know, what a year in advance puppy longer and it's obviously
• 36:53
  they had to CGI out later, but come on. there's, How can I can,
• 36:59
  you know, notice that? Like, it's yeah and sometimes
• 37:04
  even accidents happen on a set like we had on our short call.
• 37:07
  Dolson Co which is translated to the absence of there was a scene
• 37:13
  where there was a picture on the wall, that was very pivotal to
• 37:15
  the plot and the character I played is looking at it and but
• 37:19
  there's a glare from the Sun so you were mentioning CGI.
• 37:23
  So I did bring somebody on board, his name is Jason bolds a
• 37:27
  very talented. The effects guy that works with
• 37:30
  us. He's the one that corrected that
• 37:32
  because had it not been for him. Correcting that you wouldn't
• 37:36
  have been able to see the picture which is very important
• 37:39
  for the scene. And so yeah, I'm grateful to
• 37:42
  that that software like that exists even today because
• 37:45
  that'll save a project big time. Yeah, it's not old expression of
• 37:49
  fix it in post. I guess is where the rice from?
• 37:52
  Like exactly. I do you think that, like a lot
• 37:55
  of time is very important to kind of get it right?
• 37:58
  You know what I mean? Like when you're there for
• 38:00
  anything big. Yeah.
• 38:01
  Because some things are really difficult and you simply can't
• 38:05
  change. And I, well, I think about
• 38:06
  music, for example, it's it's definitely like that.
• 38:09
  Like if if something just isn't some good enough it's not some
• 38:13
  good enough. You know what I mean?
• 38:14
  And no amount of like editing is going to change that with that
• 38:18
  certainly I think it's the same thing it's like sometimes you
• 38:21
  just need to nail it as much as you can you know when you do it.
• 38:25
  So that raw footage is then you know you're able to do And with,
• 38:29
  if you do need to like, tweak it here and there.
• 38:31
  Exactly. But yeah.
• 38:33
  Thanks for sharing, man. Sounds awesome.
• 38:35
  Yeah. Actually, before we move up
• 38:37
  like, what were your favorite Parts about doing, you know,
• 38:40
  doing that particular like role, like what what what would you
• 38:45
  say you enjoyed the most about that?
• 38:46
  I think what I enjoyed the most is having the opportunity to
• 38:51
  play a character. So three-dimensional, a
• 38:55
  character that was dealing with So much at one time and touching
• 39:00
  on issues of non-binary because here in the u.s.a., we finally
• 39:05
  have terminology and things to really explain everything that's
• 39:09
  happening with people. But in other parts of the world
• 39:14
  especially in Latin America, that's something that's still
• 39:16
  relatively new. And Nessa thing about Latin
• 39:18
  American culture that because I guess, maybe traditionally, it's
• 39:23
  so traditional that it's really hard to talk about certain
• 39:27
  topics out loud. So maybe that's why there aren't
• 39:31
  specific terms tied to specific individual yet, but the
• 39:36
  conversations are starting and that's something that I found
• 39:39
  that was very important for this project, not just touching on
• 39:42
  lgbtq issues but touching on so many other things around that
• 39:48
  and I think this character was so important for me at a time in
• 39:52
  which I was learning quite a bit about what it's like to be in
• 39:55
  the specific individual shoes. So you know, I'm grateful that
• 39:59
  it's touch so many people as well.
• 40:01
  You know, I remember like 06, I've been a supporter of like
• 40:05
  lgbtq like for just since ever. Yeah, and but when this stuff
• 40:11
  started started coming up about, you know, gender I guess the war
• 40:17
  we call it. Just the gender debate or
• 40:19
  something great. Oh yeah.
• 40:20
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:21
  Like identity and gender identity.
• 40:23
  Right? Right?
• 40:23
  Right. Yeah.
• 40:24
  I remember kind of Initially kind of thinking it was all
• 40:30
  ridiculous and like I'd In fairness, I didn't really know
• 40:32
  much about it. I would just see like, you know,
• 40:34
  you're those classic means and like the crazy stuff you
• 40:37
  sometimes see in America and stuff.
• 40:38
  And so I didn't take it very seriously.
• 40:41
  And then I started seeing like little things like, you know,
• 40:43
  obviously what happened in Canada with with the law change.
• 40:46
  And, you know, it becoming like a legal requirement stuff.
• 40:49
  But I remember then it went from me, like, not taking it
• 40:52
  seriously and kind of seeing it as a bit of a joke to them.
• 40:55
  Me kind of taking it seriously, but kind of poking holes, Isn't
• 40:57
  it kind of thinking? Well.
• 40:59
  Okay. If this is something to be
• 41:00
  taken, seriously, like you then have to kind of change society,
• 41:06
  right? You then have to think, okay,
• 41:07
  we've always been like male-female, right?
• 41:09
  So now we write like change everything and that takes time
• 41:14
  and you and you and that was why I had that concern because you
• 41:16
  know, obviously with Canada going ahead and changing it was
• 41:19
  like, okay, you've done that and we know why you've done that.
• 41:22
  And I don't personally have an issue with that.
• 41:24
  But what you're asking people to do is to To change something
• 41:28
  that they're kind of not familiar with.
• 41:31
  You know, they don't fully understand and that was my
• 41:33
  argument as well as like if everything is laid out and it's
• 41:36
  very clear and it's like this is the way it is and you can be
• 41:40
  like okay okay and it's so then you would look at yourself and
• 41:44
  be like because I do this a lot with things anything in life,
• 41:48
  you know. I'm very open-minded person.
• 41:49
  So when I look at something particularly something that I
• 41:52
  don't like why I have an issue with, I look at it and I'm like
• 41:54
  well why do I have an issue with that thing?
• 41:56
  Like what What is it about that? That I don't like and I couldn't
• 42:00
  find anything that I disliked about it.
• 42:02
  Other than you know the fact that it just wasn't ironed out.
• 42:06
  Exactly. And I thought that that could be
• 42:08
  damaging potentially if there's like a misunderstanding there,
• 42:13
  like I thought that people would exploit it and there has been
• 42:15
  examples of people doing that here and there, right?
• 42:19
  I think as you said, The more information you have, the more
• 42:24
  it, you know, it is kind of easier to And like it when I
• 42:28
  bought it down to its simplest part, right?
• 42:31
  It was like, okay, so people that are like in this third
• 42:36
  category, which is probably the easiest way to put it like
• 42:38
  male-female, third, like that. That's kind of be kind of most
• 42:41
  understandable way for me. I know there's like many many
• 42:44
  variations as that I get that, but like, right when you just
• 42:47
  try to make a simplistic as like, okay, I get it, I get it.
• 42:52
  What's the key thing that someone wants they want you to
• 42:54
  accept them as they are. And they want you to refer to
• 42:57
  And we have like specific terms, right?
• 42:59
  So if let's go with the easiest one, if it's, if it's like
• 43:04
  third, then it's like they them or something like that, right?
• 43:07
  And I was like, can I do that? Yes, I can.
• 43:11
  So what's the issue? No issue?
• 43:13
  And I thought, okay, well good then yeah, but like I think the
• 43:18
  problem as you said like in certain parts of the world is
• 43:21
  there is not enough information. There's not enough debates.
• 43:23
  I can tell you in the UK you know, while it is debated and
• 43:26
  staff. It's not quite at the level
• 43:29
  where it's like changed and everyone understands because I
• 43:33
  feel that like with everything else like with, you know,
• 43:35
  homosexuality for example, bisexuality or whatever like
• 43:38
  it's very clear and it's like oh yeah that's straightforward.
• 43:41
  Like why would you have an issue?
• 43:42
  It's so simple and straightforward but crucially
• 43:47
  there's information. Lots and lots of information
• 43:51
  rise. I feel with this day there isn't
• 43:52
  as much so it's good that we have projects like the one that
• 43:56
  you were in where it's And if highlighting, you know, well
• 44:02
  it's giving you information, and it's also, you know, depicting
• 44:05
  this as well, you know? I mean, it's not so it's not
• 44:08
  completely new, I do know that obviously in Star Trek, you
• 44:11
  know, classically there were, there were characters that were
• 44:14
  non-binary and or transgender or whatever you want to call it.
• 44:18
  Like I won't go into too much detail on Big Star Trek fan.
• 44:22
  But like I remember many years ago like it's not like a
• 44:26
  completely new idea. But it's probably in the 2010's
• 44:29
  as where it started getting its routing, its footing and stuff.
• 44:32
  And you know, I think it's good that you know artists like
• 44:34
  yourself a bringing that to the Forefront and kind of giving
• 44:39
  information. I think that's important because
• 44:40
  we don't have enough information.
• 44:43
  Yeah. And I think that's why I like
• 44:44
  early on to like one of my favorite artists.
• 44:47
  I would say that can represent the non-binary Spectrum, a lot
• 44:50
  is David Bowie and that's why so many of your love them, love
• 44:53
  them so much because of that. And so No, I drew my inspiration
• 44:58
  from many people for the role. But, yeah, I paid attention to
• 45:02
  David Bowie. I'm a big man.
• 45:06
  How can I help ya? All right, how can anybody in
• 45:09
  the world? Not be even in the most remote
• 45:12
  place? That has maybe no access to
• 45:14
  electricity. They know who David Bowie.
• 45:17
  I'll be honest, it's one of those each one of those people.
• 45:19
  I've never, I've never met someone that didn't like Bowie.
• 45:23
  Right? Me either.
• 45:25
  Awesome. Way or it has never heard of
• 45:28
  him. I mean everybody has heard of
• 45:29
  him even if you can barely communicate in the same
• 45:31
  language. So let's bring it back to you
• 45:34
  man. What do you like most about
• 45:37
  acting? Oh, I love what I love about
• 45:42
  acting is continuously learning about the human condition for
• 45:48
  me. I consider myself a little bit
• 45:50
  more method. I draw from a lot of my
• 45:53
  experiences, but if I don't have those emotional experiences, For
• 45:57
  the specific rule all at least, know, somebody or at least try
• 46:00
  to talk to somebody a lot about that specific, maybe situation
• 46:07
  or emotion. But I think that's what I enjoy
• 46:10
  the most. And for me, it's, it's almost
• 46:13
  like a very therapeutic experience.
• 46:15
  Like wow, I walked a thousand miles in this individual shoes.
• 46:20
  Now, I have a different perspective or maybe a bigger
• 46:23
  appreciation, and I also love that you're able to reach Each
• 46:27
  people in a way that you to me, it seems like you can't in a
• 46:34
  different profession. Like if you want to get your
• 46:37
  point across instead of maybe having like a Roundtable
• 46:41
  discussion almost like a political debate, you could just
• 46:43
  show that in the form of something like film.
• 46:48
  Couldn't agree more with that. I mean, it's kind of like what
• 46:50
  we were saying before. It's like getting across certain
• 46:53
  messages or information isn't otherwise necessarily readily
• 46:58
  available. You know.
• 46:59
  It's a great. Great medium.
• 47:00
  You know. Everyone pays attention to
• 47:02
  movies everyone. Yeah.
• 47:05
  I mean this is like, this is something that I'm getting
• 47:07
  happier about as well, because I feel that big movies at the
• 47:11
  moment are kind of doing a half half job with, with
• 47:15
  representation. It's like certain movie.
• 47:17
  In TV shows, they're getting it right.
• 47:20
  I'll give you a real quick example.
• 47:21
  Right. I've said this before and shrunk
• 47:22
  cost, but since we're talking about it, I remember in in Star
• 47:25
  Trek in the Picard series they portrayed a lesbian
• 47:30
  relationship, right. Right.
• 47:32
  The way they did, it was really clever because like the two
• 47:34
  characters it's never said, but it's kind of hint.
• 47:37
  It's like implied. I guess through their character
• 47:39
  that when you basically when you see them together, it's like at
• 47:42
  the end of an episode and it's not like focused on like
• 47:46
  massively, it's kind of like Around and it's like, okay, so
• 47:48
  this is happening now, but it makes sense, it's logical.
• 47:53
  It works for the characters, great.
• 47:56
  We like this, this is good, right?
• 47:58
  But then you see it in like other movies or shows.
• 48:00
  Like, I remember seeing it in possibly the final Star Wars
• 48:04
  movie. There was just a random lesbian
• 48:06
  kiss, right, and all right. Right.
• 48:08
  But where's the context was the story?
• 48:11
  Like where's you know, like this wasn't this was just random and
• 48:14
  you just know that it was thrown in but in In a lot because this
• 48:19
  was like a celebratory sequence, right?
• 48:20
  It's like we've won. We've beat the bad guys.
• 48:23
  Yeah. Like celebrate party.
• 48:24
  Great. Right.
• 48:25
  Like feel-good moment and they've just throw it in there.
• 48:29
  And I was like, I mean, I know what you're doing and that's why
• 48:33
  I don't like it. It's not that.
• 48:34
  I don't like this. This is great, but I just don't
• 48:36
  like why you're doing it. The movie makers, they're trying
• 48:39
  to be like we awoke. We know what we're doing.
• 48:42
  We're trying to be involved and it's like I think there's ways
• 48:46
  to do this and I would like to see more of like the first
• 48:50
  example you know, in where it's like just kind of portrayed as
• 48:54
  like this is life rather than like this is our quick 15-second
• 48:59
  throw-in so we're covering all bases kind of approach, right?
• 49:03
  Yeah it kind of makes you question.
• 49:05
  What are their motives? Like maybe they're doing it
• 49:07
  because they realize like, oh, there's a big viewing base that
• 49:11
  is lgbtq. Let's just throw this in there.
• 49:13
  Even though there's snow Specific plot or, you know,
• 49:17
  three-dimensional character that we can develop this asteroid in
• 49:19
  there just for the sake of throwing it in there.
• 49:22
  But I think that's why I love independent film from not just
• 49:25
  the USA but all over the world because we could tell better
• 49:28
  stories and stories that are real.
• 49:31
  Yeah, I agreement and like it's funny like it's only more in
• 49:35
  recent years that I've been doing things like YouTube and a
• 49:38
  podcast and obviously looking at things developing as they are
• 49:41
  things like BLM as an example. You know, that I've started to
• 49:44
  realize like how All kind of weird.
• 49:46
  It is that there's like so many decades of film and media.
• 49:52
  That is literally just white men and women acting and that's it
• 49:57
  and very little you know, kind of people watch them.
• 50:01
  Yeah yeah. And it's like, I'm not trying to
• 50:03
  go on a tirade or anything. It's just like oh your Society
• 50:06
  has changed over the years but when I think back it's like it's
• 50:10
  pretty weird when you think about it.
• 50:11
  It's like, well this isn't really like a representation of
• 50:14
  like He is it is this is just like now you don't know me it
• 50:18
  like sometimes you find movies. Great movies like you know
• 50:21
  there's not it's not like a reason for them to be
• 50:24
  necessarily like disregarded. It's just that just happen to
• 50:28
  have like for instance, no black people in and it's like, huh,
• 50:32
  that is weird. There's like it is it is a and
• 50:35
  you're right, because I feel like unless like, especially
• 50:39
  with casting. I feel like everybody has an
• 50:42
  opportunity to contribute to a project unless you're doing a
• 50:45
  Memory about Finland in the 1500s.
• 50:49
  I mean, does it really matter what somebody looks like on the
• 50:51
  outside necessarily? I mean, it's and you're right.
• 50:54
  I thought about that myself to, through my experiences when I
• 50:57
  audition and their say, oh, you're not right for the role.
• 51:00
  And and I'm like am I not right? Because of the way I sound or is
• 51:05
  it the way I look? You know.
• 51:06
  It's like those are the things that you kind of ask yourself
• 51:09
  and so when I'm when I eventually get involved in
• 51:12
  casting, I'm going to have a completely different mindset.
• 51:15
  I'm Going for like, for example, you project a lot, I'd say if I
• 51:18
  were to cast you in something immediately, I would cast you as
• 51:22
  the doctor that's going to deliver the bad news to the
• 51:25
  patient. Why?
• 51:26
  Because you, I don't know you convey this, this certain energy
• 51:32
  like if you're going to give somebody bad news they they
• 51:36
  won't necessarily freaked out as much.
• 51:39
  And if they do they'll feel more comfortable doing it with you,
• 51:42
  you have like a I don't know. You have like this trusting
• 51:45
  Energy that you convey. Oh, you know whether you whether
• 51:50
  you believe it yourself or not, but it's something that that,
• 51:53
  you know, an audience member, you know, and those that watch,
• 51:56
  this podcast can probably, you know, argue or agree with me.
• 51:59
  But but I would say that's the energy you convey.
• 52:02
  So, if I were to cast you immediately and something I'd
• 52:04
  say as a doctor delivering, bad news It's funny.
• 52:08
  I knew you were giving a serious answer.
• 52:10
  So I didn't want to interrupt the whole time, I'm like just
• 52:13
  like I can ruin it by saying this or this good because yeah.
• 52:16
  I like to have a laugh and stuff and it's just funny because a
• 52:19
  lot of the time like I really like to play villains because
• 52:21
  I'm not like a what I feel weird saying this, but like, I
• 52:26
  consider myself as a good person I've been told.
• 52:29
  Yeah, that's the energy you convey, right?
• 52:32
  But conversely I just love to play complete ask It's love, not
• 52:38
  okay. It's like well I'm not going to
• 52:40
  ever be like this in real life. So why not be really like super
• 52:44
  horrible? And and also like show a range
• 52:47
  because I feel like as an actor it's very easy to get like
• 52:50
  pigeon-holed or or cornered and like this is all you can do.
• 52:53
  This is this is you and nothing else.
• 52:55
  And I like I love that when it when I brought an actor breaks
• 52:58
  out and they do they play like a Despicable character and you and
• 53:01
  you hate them for it and it's it's great.
• 53:03
  That's what acting should be and I often think about that like
• 53:08
  I'm, you know, with with sort of like aspiring to become a
• 53:12
  professional actor. I think about like wall what are
• 53:14
  the different things I could do? What do I want to do?
• 53:16
  What I want to try and you know, I suppose it's easy.
• 53:22
  It's not easy. I don't think obviously, but
• 53:24
  it's not something that like necessarily comes to everyone.
• 53:27
  You know, I think everyone's range is different and it's not
• 53:30
  necessarily a bad thing. If you don't have like a big
• 53:32
  range, I mean, maybe you're just really, really good in one
• 53:34
  particular area, but right, I feel like you Get more, you
• 53:39
  know, rolls and probably have a longer more successful career if
• 53:44
  you have a bigger range maybe yeah.
• 53:47
  And not every actor for example and that's not a bad thing.
• 53:50
  Not every actor has a very commercial look, you know, maybe
• 53:54
  have look specifically for like you're going to be the character
• 53:57
  actor, you're going to be the the face that represents this
• 54:00
  organization because you know, you have this appeal visually
• 54:04
  that, you know, everybody men and women love.
• 54:07
  So So yeah I mean if you have a specific set of skills and maybe
• 54:13
  you convey a certain energy then yeah I think the right casting
• 54:17
  person should be honest and say you're more for like in your
• 54:20
  case other than the doctor I would cast you like in a period
• 54:24
  piece like if I were to do something about like America and
• 54:27
  the early 20th century if you shave and put you in one of
• 54:30
  those suits, like The Great Gatsby, it's believable.
• 54:34
  I could I could visualize when I would I would adore being.
• 54:38
  Yeah. So what I think always reference
• 54:42
  those because I love, you know, the Golden Era of Hollywood from
• 54:47
  that time. Just everything about it.
• 54:49
  I love period pieces. I always wish people dress like
• 54:53
  that. Like, you know, my ideal style
• 54:55
  is basically like that or like you know Matt Smith has Doctor
• 54:59
  Who that kind of like classic you know Blazers Tweed, bow
• 55:03
  ties, all that stuff's, great white, a white.
• 55:07
  Yeah, and that's why I wore this shirt because I actually got it
• 55:10
  from the UK. This is like already back to
• 55:12
  like The Mod Squad from the late 60s.
• 55:14
  But yeah, this is actually from the UK.
• 55:16
  So cool. Awesome.
• 55:18
  Awesome. Well, thank you.
• 55:20
  I'm having so much fun to stand here, but I want to try and kind
• 55:23
  of like bring this back to you. Sure.
• 55:26
  What do you mean goals and aspirations with acting?
• 55:30
  My main goals are to eventually form my own production company
• 55:36
  and I still loved What I do in my current role as Outreach
• 55:40
  director, where I'm at, right with the public access station.
• 55:43
  But, but yeah, I eventually want to have my own production
• 55:45
  company and I think because of a lot of what you mentioned, I
• 55:49
  want to. I want to develop projects and
• 55:52
  films that all actors can be proud of.
• 55:54
  And, and, and I'm sure you're familiar with Ryan Murphy's
• 55:57
  work. No, I don't know, necessarily
• 56:01
  he's done. Like American Horror Story Glee,
• 56:06
  Brad Pitt, American Crime Story. But, but yes, does such a
• 56:12
  situations as well because it's like half.
• 56:14
  I love American Horror Story by hate Glee.
• 56:17
  Wow. Oh yeah, like that's a ride,
• 56:21
  right? And I say, I want to follow his
• 56:23
  suit because he what he bases, his projects on is the Thing,
• 56:29
  what the actor can portray and convey to an audience.
• 56:33
  It doesn't matter their age or what they look like because as
• 56:37
  you know Hollywood still to this day you know especially if
• 56:40
  you're a woman if you're in your 30s or like sorry we don't have
• 56:44
  anything for you and it's like well I could still play 30s like
• 56:47
  yeah but you know you don't you don't look right even though you
• 56:50
  are 30. It's like well wait a minute.
• 56:52
  So it's very interesting because there's there's a lot of
• 56:55
  talented actors. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense
• 56:57
  but but right Ryan Murphy, I think his mindset is you could
• 57:01
  be 105, Miller female if you still have the energy to act and
• 57:05
  you can convince an audience of something, then he's going to
• 57:08
  hire you and I want to have that same mindset to I don't want to
• 57:11
  just limit it to you know a certain type of a certain look a
• 57:14
  certain age I think that and who knows maybe I'm developing more
• 57:18
  of a European mindset as far as like actors because I see a lot
• 57:21
  of brilliant actors in Europe that are in their retirement
• 57:25
  years and they're brilliant and That's the type of environment I
• 57:30
  want to have in a project. I remember like, even when I was
• 57:33
  in Estonia, there were certain actors their top of their game
• 57:36
  for Estonia. And I was like, they could
• 57:38
  easily be in a major picture. Like I'll never forget, there's
• 57:41
  this one guy. His name is Mike mmmm, stain.
• 57:45
  Right. And he's pretty are principally,
• 57:50
  just like top of his game in Estonia, right?
• 57:53
  And I saw him a couple of times in Estonia.
• 57:56
  But one time I saw him in the UK, he'd actually come over
• 57:59
  specially in that. At the time, I was dating the
• 58:02
  stone Ian woman. So we went to this Estonian
• 58:04
  house. It was funny because it like
• 58:06
  looked out of place in the rest of the street as nice and we
• 58:10
  went and we saw and he basically did this kind of like one-man
• 58:14
  show entirely in Estonian had subtitles and stuff.
• 58:17
  He did it himself and I knew this guy was a good actor but
• 58:21
  then when I saw him do that and basically talked at length, for
• 58:25
  like, I don't know like an hour or something and like, paint
• 58:29
  this story, I was just transfixed.
• 58:32
  I was like, wow, that's that's talent right there.
• 58:34
  When you can do something like that and and with very little as
• 58:38
  well, I feel like, you know, it's very easy to do convincing
• 58:43
  acting when all the tools are given to you and stuff.
• 58:45
  But sometimes it's better when it's like taken away from you
• 58:48
  and it's made harder and you know what I mean?
• 58:50
  Like for look at is kind of an obvious point to make but to me
• 58:54
  a good actor. Is someone who's versa?
• 58:56
  All can kind of work with any situation and just make that
• 59:00
  work whatever, right? You know.
• 59:03
  But yeah, I couldn't agree. More of you on that.
• 59:05
  I think there's a lot of good talent out there and it's
• 59:08
  untapped, let's say. Yeah untapped yeah.
• 59:12
  And and like you said, having an appreciation for like a certain
• 59:16
  time in history, if you can find ways to save money and create
• 59:21
  that and recreate it even better.
• 59:23
  And that's also one of my goals to see eventually.
• 59:26
  Create a lot of things that you would probably see in the 40s or
• 59:30
  30s. And, but modernized it a bit
• 59:36
  little bit on a serious route. Now, just, well, I have a bit of
• 59:39
  time left with you, sure. So, obviously, growing up as in
• 59:43
  the USA as a man from South America, this is a two-fold
• 59:48
  question, so I hope you don't mind me asking this.
• 59:51
  But I think now that important shoot, so basically, you know,
• 59:54
  you're from South America. You're also You know a proud gay
• 59:57
  man as well. I wanted to kind of find out
• 1:00:01
  what the biggest challenges you faced during this time in terms
• 1:00:05
  of discrimination has been, because we know that America is
• 1:00:09
  very varied and you know, yeah, I find this to that like there's
• 1:00:14
  a big difference between like the reality of racism and
• 1:00:22
  homophobia in terms of like what people talk about.
• 1:00:26
  And then there's like the everyday reality that people
• 1:00:29
  lead, and obviously depends where you're living.
• 1:00:31
  Depends on your community, depends on a lot of things.
• 1:00:33
  But a lot of the time everyone has a couple of stories, you
• 1:00:37
  know, and stuff like that. And I kind of wanted to kind of
• 1:00:39
  gauge an idea of the biggest challenges you face because
• 1:00:44
  obviously you're going into this industry, the entertainment
• 1:00:48
  industry, and as you kind of outlined before through that are
• 1:00:51
  throughout the course of this conversation, sometimes certain
• 1:00:54
  things put you at a disadvantage in the Size of like a casting
• 1:00:58
  director or something we and it shouldn't, it's ridiculous.
• 1:01:00
  But you know, that's that's the mentality of certain, you know,
• 1:01:05
  companies or certain directors or whatever.
• 1:01:09
  And I always kind of attribute this to that kind of
• 1:01:12
  institutional perspective, you know, institutional racism or
• 1:01:17
  like fries, you know, it's always kind of a like this and
• 1:01:20
  it doesn't necessarily have to be like specifically a company
• 1:01:23
  or something, but it's like that mentality of like This is how it
• 1:01:27
  is. We're not budging outside of
• 1:01:29
  this, that's how it is kind of thing.
• 1:01:31
  And that obviously that restricts people from different
• 1:01:34
  groups. As you said like there's still
• 1:01:35
  sexism in Hollywood where there shouldn't be and it's
• 1:01:39
  ridiculous. So I'm bringing it back.
• 1:01:41
  I just wanted to know like what are the biggest challenges that
• 1:01:44
  you think? In the industry rate in um, in
• 1:01:52
  your, in your, in your personal life as well.
• 1:01:53
  Because I think that that's it is interesting and worthwhile to
• 1:01:58
  yeah, I'd say in this city, you know, that's the thing about
• 1:02:02
  Houston. Texas were quickly, becoming the
• 1:02:05
  third largest city in the USA were very International, but
• 1:02:11
  even though that's the case, I still feel like not everyone but
• 1:02:14
  maybe just a few Maybe handfuls of people still might view you
• 1:02:23
  as like, you know, you could look a certain way on the
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  outside and it doesn't matter how you conduct yourself or how
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  you dress, they still have this preconceived notion.
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  Like if you are a foreigner and you happen to be from Latin
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  America that you're automatically either a running
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  away from something or be trying to take somebody's job.
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  And I'm like, I remember somebody told me something once
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  that made a lot of sense. They're like, Can't take
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  something away from someone that they didn't already have, or
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  didn't work for. And I'm like, yeah, that's true
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  because everything I've had in life, I've had a really work
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  hard for. And like you said, it's many
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  times when you're the minority in a specific situation, you
• 1:03:01
  have to constantly prove yourself and not just as a Latin
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  American but as a gay man to because, you know, people still
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  have stereotypes about, you know, attributing being gay,
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  whether you're male or female to like, Like male and female
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  gender roles and, you know, they're completely separate.
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  And so I would say that my biggest challenge would be just
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  that the no matter what I do or say or act people still are
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  going to have a preconceived notion of me, no matter what.
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  But despite that those challenges, I just follow what a
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  lot of successful strong women have done, you know, despite all
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  of the obstacles. They just continue and move
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  forward, they're like, yeah, you know, the best way to reach
• 1:03:51
  someone. It's just by being successful
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  and you're successful. When you try to reach your
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  goals, regardless of all the challenges that you have because
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  no matter what we're all as as Humanity, we're always going to
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  be challenged in life and it's not what makes someone
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  successful the number of challenges but how you overcome
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  them or try to overcome and you know what?
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  Did you say that your experience?
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  Your overall experience now is like better or worse.
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  Compared to say, like 10 years ago, 15 years ago like it has it
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  gotten better, it's gotten better.
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  I think because I always try to do, what has been given to me as
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  advised to surround yourself by people that you want to learn
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  from or that give you a lot as far as like, a support system
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  and I'm grateful that I at least have family and close friends
• 1:04:44
  and co-workers to that I can. Like a family and friends that
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  have always constantly supported me.
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  They you know, they know that I'm that I'm out and gay and so
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  they're very supportive of that and I think because maybe they
• 1:04:58
  are all artists and that might have something to do with it.
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  But I would say I'm lucky that life has taken me down this path
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  and so I try to utilize every opportunity to the best of my
• 1:05:10
  abilities. But like in terms of like, you
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  know, where you live in the Places that you tend to go and
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  stuff. Like, would you say the overall
• 1:05:20
  kind of people walking down the street?
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  You know, gentleman like our people, maybe more like, more
• 1:05:26
  normal, more accepting, I don't know how to phrase it.
• 1:05:28
  Correct, you know what I mean? Like, it's kind of, yeah,
• 1:05:31
  because I feel that, like, I've been very lucky with, in the UK
• 1:05:34
  grown up here that I feel that like, I've seen racism, I've
• 1:05:38
  seen homophobia, I've seen all of these different things, but
• 1:05:41
  I'd say like the average person in the UK is very, you know, not
• 1:05:45
  racist. Not sex is not homophobic.
• 1:05:47
  Yeah we just a very accepting Nation.
• 1:05:49
  I think in general and particularly in places like
• 1:05:52
  London where it's like so highly Multicultural and you know the
• 1:05:55
  city is so built on that you know I mean it's like you said
• 1:05:58
  it's like when you have a highly International place it's built
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  on on on that premise. So being racist or something
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  like that it would just be a logical.
• 1:06:09
  But yeah, I do kind of because I asked another guest about this
• 1:06:13
  as well and I feel that like it's an Important question to
• 1:06:17
  ask to kind of gauge where we're headed do not even because
• 1:06:20
  there's a very big difference between what you think what you
• 1:06:23
  see online and then kind of like what people's experiences are.
• 1:06:26
  So like would you say that it's gotten better like maybe you get
• 1:06:31
  less discrimination, then you experience growing up or
• 1:06:34
  something like that? Like I would say.
• 1:06:36
  So, I mean, we're very lucky as a world that there's more people
• 1:06:40
  on TV that look like us. Sound like us have our life
• 1:06:44
  experiences and I'm That those people are honest and say, you
• 1:06:48
  know, this is who I am take it or leave it.
• 1:06:49
  And I think because of that, I would say when I walk down the
• 1:06:53
  street, now I'd say people are, I wouldn't say more accepting
• 1:06:58
  but they just accept what they see and what they experience.
• 1:07:02
  So I'm grateful for that and and I'm grateful that I live in a
• 1:07:06
  city like this because like I said, it's a very International
• 1:07:10
  City very young and so this city is very tied to the Arts as
• 1:07:14
  well. And I'm grateful.
• 1:07:16
  For that. So I would say it's gotten
• 1:07:18
  better cool, that's good to him. And this is always my headed in
• 1:07:22
  the right direction, generally lies, right?
• 1:07:24
  So I'm yeah, that's true. So you're also a singer.
• 1:07:29
  When did you start singing? Oh, and Jeopardy like major
• 1:07:32
  aspirations their or like, what's, what's the deal there?
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  Yeah. Actually, that was an
• 1:07:36
  interesting story because, you know, growing up in Latin
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  America, I would always hear something on the radio or a
• 1:07:43
  record and try to emulate the singer.
• 1:07:45
  So then when we Move to the USA when I was about.
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  Maybe 10 years old, 11 years old.
• 1:07:51
  My dad put me in singing lessons and nothing came of that.
• 1:07:54
  Because I think a few months after that, he got laid off and
• 1:07:59
  so I stopped going to these singing lessons.
• 1:08:02
  But I think one thing that stayed with me was just using
• 1:08:06
  the right breathing and as a singer, you kind of know the
• 1:08:09
  importance of breathing. So I, that was something that
• 1:08:13
  was very much untapped and I didn't tap back into Until I
• 1:08:16
  did. My first musical on stage, it
• 1:08:20
  was an original play called The Last Chance.
• 1:08:22
  In Calamity Gulch that takes place in the late 19th century
• 1:08:25
  in America. And so I got to sing on stage.
• 1:08:30
  And from that point on, I started doing little things
• 1:08:33
  here. And there, there's an app that I
• 1:08:34
  use were, I, you know, sing and they have the background music.
• 1:08:38
  And so I'm able to like, extract that and put that out there.
• 1:08:40
  But I wouldn't say, I'm any anywhere close to being like a
• 1:08:45
  professional. Singer but I at least know that
• 1:08:48
  I can hit the right notes. If I have to for a project but I
• 1:08:52
  was going to say your voice is amazing.
• 1:08:54
  So I really enjoyed listening to your that, I mean really good
• 1:08:58
  and my goal now is to learn how to play an instrument.
• 1:09:01
  I want to learn piano because I know you play guitar but I want
• 1:09:04
  to learn piano. I want to learn piano man.
• 1:09:07
  That's that's the next nx1. It's looks so gorgeous.
• 1:09:11
  And there's so many Goods. Good musicians out there like
• 1:09:14
  I'd love to learn how to play like shop.
• 1:09:16
  Open or something like that. Just, oh yes, it's alright.
• 1:09:23
  Thanks for sharing. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:27
  Yeah. You know we were mentioned in
• 1:09:28
  the Preamble. You're a trained tap dancer as
• 1:09:30
  well. I thought that was kind of
• 1:09:32
  quirky, you know, you don't come across that every day.
• 1:09:35
  The how long did it take you to learn?
• 1:09:37
  How to tap dance and yeah, like just 9:50.
• 1:09:42
  Tell us about tap dancing. Okay, that I'm glad you asked
• 1:09:45
  that because The interesting story, the end of 2016, my goal
• 1:09:49
  for the new year, 2017 was to learn tap.
• 1:09:52
  And the reason why is we were going to celebrate our 30 year
• 1:09:55
  anniversary of being on TV and heaston at my work and that was
• 1:09:59
  going to be celebrated in August of that year.
• 1:10:01
  So I started from January up until like August taking tap and
• 1:10:05
  the instructors like you've never taken tap before and I'm
• 1:10:09
  like no but it's just like okay because you seem to have most of
• 1:10:12
  the movements and rhythms down I'm like okay I guess that's a
• 1:10:16
  good thing. Thing, and, but I told her I
• 1:10:18
  grew up watching tap dancers, like, Sammy Davis jr.
• 1:10:23
  The Nicholas Brothers. I mean, just amazing tappers
• 1:10:26
  here in America. So I said, yeah, you know, that
• 1:10:28
  inspired me to like, say, you know what?
• 1:10:31
  At this point in my life, I wanted to learn it and so I did.
• 1:10:34
  So I learned it at least well enough to perform it on stage
• 1:10:38
  and what made that moment. So memorable is I got to perform
• 1:10:43
  it in front of our mayor of our city which I now I'm part of the
• 1:10:48
  mayor Turner's lgbtq Advisory Board now but but yeah, I went
• 1:10:52
  to perform because I knew it was going to be there and I wanted
• 1:10:55
  to make an impression and I did because then backstage I Heard a
• 1:10:59
  Voice saying Rodger Rodger and I looked and it was the mayor and
• 1:11:02
  he was like I loved your performance and so that was
• 1:11:05
  something I'm never gonna forget.
• 1:11:07
  I think that was I was very happy awesome, man.
• 1:11:11
  Thanks for sharing. That's a great scary.
• 1:11:14
  Yeah. Just just kind of like bringing
• 1:11:16
  In it all to a close. Do you have any kind of like
• 1:11:19
  upcoming projects that you'd like to tell us about or
• 1:11:22
  anything we should look out for or maybe just some final
• 1:11:25
  thoughts that you'd like to share with us?
• 1:11:28
  Yeah, actually I'm currently going to be working on a project
• 1:11:31
  this weekend that I can't really talk too much about it, but all
• 1:11:36
  I can say is that it is going to deal with very important issues
• 1:11:40
  that are happening in our society.
• 1:11:41
  And so I, when I was presented that opportunity said yes, you
• 1:11:45
  know, I wanted it. And as an actor in a role I've
• 1:11:48
  never done before. So most definitely and I'm also
• 1:11:52
  working on a couple of scripts and I'm working on these scripts
• 1:11:56
  based on our current situation with a global pandemic things,
• 1:12:00
  that could be done and still following protocol, still with
• 1:12:06
  like a very limited cast and crew.
• 1:12:09
  So those projects actually, I don't have a title for yet but
• 1:12:13
  I'm just barely starting them now.
• 1:12:15
  So, Well listen I I wish you the best of luck with them.
• 1:12:19
  Thank you. I think you're very very
• 1:12:21
  talented person and I really look forward to seeing where you
• 1:12:25
  end up but particularly with with these projects that I think
• 1:12:29
  that you're directing and everything like that, like you
• 1:12:31
  seem to be very passionate and you know it's really encouraging
• 1:12:34
  to hear that you're you know pursuing this and that.
• 1:12:37
  It's like something like that may become become more prevalent
• 1:12:41
  in society especially in the entertainment industry.
• 1:12:45
  With things like Representation and just yeah just putting that
• 1:12:48
  real issues there because it's great to watch you know the
• 1:12:52
  Hollywood flick every now and again but like it's even better
• 1:12:55
  to watch it when it's actually relatable you know like yeah.
• 1:13:02
  Yeah. So you hit the nail on the head.
• 1:13:05
  I think that's that's key to any project is relatability.
• 1:13:08
  I try to keep that in mind relatability.
• 1:13:11
  And what is so International that everyone is going to
• 1:13:15
  understand? Atlas of what language you,
• 1:13:17
  perform it in. Yeah.
• 1:13:19
  Yeah. And the that it's just funny you
• 1:13:21
  say that as well. Obviously with you, you mean
• 1:13:23
  kind of Inspirations being, you know, they were all the way back
• 1:13:27
  to like Chaplin and stuff like that.
• 1:13:28
  Like, obviously a more recent example, I think in the UK is
• 1:13:33
  obviously, mr. Bean, and I remember growing up,
• 1:13:36
  I always used to think all this is funny.
• 1:13:37
  This is silly, but now I look at it and Rowan Atkinson of the man
• 1:13:41
  that portrays him, as obviously a very, very intelligent man,
• 1:13:44
  and he's, he's done all the things like Blackadder and all
• 1:13:47
  these other different TV shows where is he?
• 1:13:49
  Clearly very intelligent man but Mr. Bean was him playing like a
• 1:13:52
  fool. I guess or Simple, Man.
• 1:13:56
  And yet, it was his most successful thing that he's ever
• 1:13:59
  done and it had the biggest reach and it's made him like
• 1:14:03
  famous everywhere on the planet. And it's because of that exact
• 1:14:06
  thing, that you said, that kind of universal relatability
• 1:14:09
  something that, you know, anyone could understand relate to enjoy
• 1:14:14
  and creating stuff like that is probably like the my dream for
• 1:14:19
  anyone in the entertainment industry.
• 1:14:21
  Isn't it to have that kind of mirror.
• 1:14:24
  Yeah. And if I've been anywhere, have
• 1:14:26
  successful now enacting, it's because I've been paying
• 1:14:30
  attention to a lot of the European school of thought when
• 1:14:34
  it comes to acting and, and that is just try to diversify
• 1:14:38
  everything as much as possible as a performer and actor, tried
• 1:14:41
  to learn as much as possible. If you're not a singer, at least
• 1:14:44
  take some introductory courses, maybe you don't want to be a
• 1:14:47
  singer, but you can At least hit a note or two or that way.
• 1:14:52
  If you're in a musical you're able to at least, you know do
• 1:14:54
  one or two songs but I always say the more you learn and live
• 1:14:59
  the better the better. You are a nun that know I'd like
• 1:15:03
  to sort of end it there and Sensei.
• 1:15:04
  Thank you so much for agreeing to be on the show.
• 1:15:07
  It's been an absolute pleasure. I've learned a lot and I'm sure
• 1:15:11
  of our listeners will be very happy.
• 1:15:13
  We're currently like approaching 40 episodes were like, 85 really
• 1:15:19
  sick, something like that. So it's getting pretty crazy.
• 1:15:23
  But it's I like this. We're getting all different
• 1:15:25
  types of guests on here and we're growing and moving forward
• 1:15:29
  and stuff. And, you know, it's a real
• 1:15:31
  pleasure to have had you on the show and I wish you all the best
• 1:15:34
  in the future. Thank you.
• 1:15:36
  And yeah, so everyone listening to the Christian we podcast, I
• 1:15:38
  hope you're enjoying it. As I always say.
• 1:15:41
  You know, let me know if there's anyone in particular, you'd like
• 1:15:43
  on the show or if you'd like a particular topic covered or
• 1:15:46
  whatever. I'm always open to these things.
• 1:15:48
  So we recently set up a Discord server for the podcast for this
• 1:15:53
  Express reason, you know, I'm trying to cater for you as much
• 1:15:56
  as I can. Okay guys, so be vocal.
• 1:16:00
  Let me know what you want to see what you want to hear.
• 1:16:02
  But yeah, thank you to everyone listening and until next time.
• 1:16:06
  Peace out. See you in the next one.