Latest / Pod Therapy / #429: Dad Cyber Stalker, Adult ADHD vs School, Mediating Work Conflict

Transcript

#429: Dad Cyber Stalker, Adult ADHD vs School, Mediating Work Conflict · Pod Therapy

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Jim's mic yes, adding to you're not. It was fine?
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: It much.
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: I literally thought like, wow, you know, everybody's a credit,
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: everybody's a critic.
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: God damn it.
• 0:21
  Speaker 3: From Fabulous Las Vegas, Novta. This is pod Therapy, real people,
• 0:25
  Speaker 3: real problems, and real therapists. You can sendent your questions
• 0:27
  Speaker 3: anonymously a pod therapy dot net or email us at
• 0:30
  Speaker 3: pod therapy guys at gmail dot com. And now broadcasting
• 0:33
  Speaker 3: from the unnamed studio. That's Jim, that's written me on Nick,
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: It's time for some pot therapy.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, Whitney's back, she's among us.
• 0:42
  Speaker 4: I had an eventful week.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: Tell us about the Savannah bananas. We gotta know is
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: it worth it?
• 0:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 0:48
  Speaker 5: It was really fucking fun. I have a video to
• 0:52
  Speaker 5: show you. I can't show, but you know, a video
• 0:56
  Speaker 5: to show you guys of the the guys sitting in
• 0:59
  Speaker 5: front of us looked like a family. There's an older,
• 1:02
  Speaker 5: older gentleman, maybe in his like fifties, his wife. I'm
• 1:06
  Speaker 5: assuming a child that I'm assuming is there's in like
• 1:09
  Speaker 5: a teenager.
• 1:09
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming he's there.
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: You are assuming the child is there.
• 1:13
  Speaker 5: To be fair, it did not look like them, just
• 1:17
  Speaker 5: saying probably adopted or a family. I don't know, but
• 1:20
  Speaker 5: I think it was their child, all right. So they're
• 1:24
  Speaker 5: sitting together, and first of all, what sucks is.
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: The guys alert I have to go.
• 1:30
  Speaker 5: The guy's tall, and so I'm sitting there and his
• 1:32
  Speaker 5: head is just blocking like homeplate over me.
• 1:34
  Speaker 4: I was like, this sucks.
• 1:35
  Speaker 5: But then what infuriates myself even more Impeter and I
• 1:38
  Speaker 5: bitched about this half the time, was that this guy
• 1:41
  Speaker 5: has his cell phone out and what do you think
• 1:44
  Speaker 5: he's doing on his cell phone?
• 1:45
  Speaker 4: Beingo he is sitting.
• 1:48
  Speaker 5: At a Savannah banana game where it is all a show,
• 1:51
  Speaker 5: which I'm gonna go into that pert next because i
• 1:53
  Speaker 5: feel like I have like Jacob appreciation and part for
• 1:56
  Speaker 5: part of this, but like this is a whole production
• 2:00
  Speaker 5: and this guy is just sitting there and Peter ends
• 2:03
  Speaker 5: up getting a video because he's going to send it
• 2:05
  Speaker 5: to his friends, like what the fuck is wrong with
• 2:06
  Speaker 5: this guy?
• 2:07
  Speaker 4: And it's like the timing is perfect.
• 2:09
  Speaker 5: You you scan across the field and then he zooms
• 2:12
  Speaker 5: in on this guy. And right when he zooms in
• 2:14
  Speaker 5: on this guy, he's shaking his head like he's upset
• 2:18
  Speaker 5: he's not eating, and I'm like, what are you doing?
• 2:23
  Speaker 5: So then you scan up and it's like the players
• 2:27
  Speaker 5: are on the field doing their dance.
• 2:28
  Speaker 4: That's all like choreographed.
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yeah, because they're Savannah Banana is like
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: a whole show within a baseball.
• 2:35
  Speaker 4: Game, right, they were, But I just wanted to go
• 2:39
  Speaker 4: see them.
• 2:39
  Speaker 5: This is part of my like, I don't have forty
• 2:41
  Speaker 5: things on it, but by forty list and so my
• 2:44
  Speaker 5: angel husband like books everything, and it is like, yeah,
• 2:47
  Speaker 5: we'll go to Sandy.
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: Why are you on the list. I didn't think that's
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: how those lists work.
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 2:52
  Speaker 5: I thought you might have been confused because of someone
• 2:56
  Speaker 5: else in this, right, Yeah.
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: I thought these lists were just like, these are things
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: I would do if I were the type of person
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: that did did interesting things.
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you're standing on my shoulders, and I need
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: you to know that. Okay, I laid myself down on
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: this list bullshit, and because of my failure, now you
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: can succeed. I'm the Jesus Christ of the forty by
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: forty you say you laid down, you tripped and fell.
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, how I got there's a relevance
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: tripped and he fell down and then he got up
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: again and then he tripped and he fell down again,
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: but got up again, and then he tripped and he
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: fell down again, hence again.
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: At that time he was forty and decided to stay there.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: Now I've been there for a few months, So how
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: was it. How's the show?
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: It was?
• 3:44
  Speaker 5: It was very fun. It starts early. I mean they
• 3:46
  Speaker 5: just have stuff going on and all day things.
• 3:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it started.
• 3:50
  Speaker 5: I think they said think like events start at two pm,
• 3:53
  Speaker 5: but they didn't actually start untilmost seven, Like, oh, you.
• 3:56
  Speaker 4: Can go out. They have like baseball stuff for the kids.
• 3:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know. We didn't go that early. We went
• 4:00
  Speaker 4: at like four four.
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: Thirty, still three hours for and there's like.
• 4:05
  Speaker 5: Stuff going on, Y'alloe waited a line for food and
• 4:08
  Speaker 5: like a beverage and then found our seats. But it
• 4:10
  Speaker 5: was so cool, and that's where I found like so
• 4:12
  Speaker 5: much appreciation. I was like, this is almost like a
• 4:14
  Speaker 5: Vegas production. Yeah, on a baseball field, and then the
• 4:18
  Speaker 5: actual baseball sprinkledon.
• 4:19
  Speaker 4: That is really entertaining as well. They're really good at
• 4:22
  Speaker 4: their jobs.
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: It looks like a lot of fun. I watched you
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: on you would love it, Nick and I are going
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: we're going on no second, no we're not what. Yeah,
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: we are. Bought the tickets from Smitty Man.
• 4:36
  Speaker 3: No, I thought we couldn't get tickets.
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: No, we got them through Smitty Smitty got us tickets.
• 4:41
  Speaker 3: No, he said he wasn't able to get us tickets.
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: Are you sure? This is great? I'm gonna have to
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: go back and check that text thread. I'm very happy
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: with this.
• 4:49
  Speaker 4: You'll want to text threat the belot.
• 4:50
  Speaker 3: I thought I should I should have not said anything.
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: No, No, No, it did happen. He struggled with it and
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: then ultimately solved it. I'll show you it later. Maybe
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah, we have procedures for exactly how to
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: transfer the tickets and everything, so we got way beyond
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: him getting stuck. But yeah, where it's gonna be where
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: your hat is Las Vegas Ball?
• 5:09
  Speaker 4: Oh yes, we did look at that.
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: But it was what time is the game that day?
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: Can I go to this game? To go to the game,
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: I think, Oh, no, I can't go. Yeah, you're busy.
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: I'm busy. But it was a daytime thing. I could
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: have gone. Yeah, but might have even talked about this.
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've watched a TV of them. They
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: like do backflips and stuff and catch the ball and like.
• 5:28
  Speaker 4: The points system differ and I didn't realize that.
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if if a fan catches a fly ball
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: to now I love it.
• 5:35
  Speaker 5: There were growing us from like the upper duck. That's
• 5:38
  Speaker 5: the other thing I liked. They go out into the
• 5:40
  Speaker 5: crowd all over. It's not like if you just have
• 5:43
  Speaker 5: good seats you get good treatment. It's like they are
• 5:46
  Speaker 5: all over that stadium. It was really cool.
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: So that's what happens with those types of events when
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: they're still young and they have been going for a
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: long time, Like we got to get it. Yeah, after
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: like fifteen twenty years of doing it, all of a sudden,
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, yeah, they used to come through all
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: these areas.
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: Not anymore. They only do the big places. That's pretty cool.
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: So where did you see it?
• 6:08
  Speaker 4: In San Diego? Sandy Whales, Vagina? That's yeah.
• 6:13
  Speaker 5: And then we had Shenanigans trying to get home today. Also,
• 6:16
  Speaker 5: speaking of driving, I had a little event, a very
• 6:19
  Speaker 5: Texan event than when I was riding with my cousin from.
• 6:23
  Speaker 4: Dallas to Austin.
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: Horse that would have.
• 6:27
  Speaker 5: Been more normal, I don't know, more unusual than what
• 6:29
  Speaker 5: I'm about to share. But this truck was driving like crazy.
• 6:33
  Speaker 5: We were on the highway and like fly past us
• 6:36
  Speaker 5: and then kind of like stance, you know, slow down
• 6:39
  Speaker 5: and go even with us, and then it like swerve over.
• 6:41
  Speaker 5: It's just being very erratic. I was like, that's crazy.
• 6:43
  Speaker 5: I would normally ignore that. My cousin, you better on math, Yeah, exactly,
• 6:50
  Speaker 5: having a bad.
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: Getting away from the demons. They're going to catch you.
• 6:58
  Speaker 5: My cousin's driving. He's like, I'm like, oh, what is
• 7:00
  Speaker 5: wrong with this guy? I was like, I don't know.
• 7:02
  Speaker 5: He's like, I should have brought my bigger gun.
• 7:04
  Speaker 4: I was like what. I was like, no, no gun,
• 7:10
  Speaker 4: the gun.
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: I'm insufficient murder. I'm going to commit I know.
• 7:14
  Speaker 4: And instead he called nine one one.
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: Well before when you call the one in Texas, they say, well,
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: are you going to handle it? Or did you need
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: a down?
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: How bad of a driver do you have to see
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: on the road to call the police. I'll do it
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: if I think there's no doubt that you would do it. First, Jee,
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: Out of the four of us, Jim has the lowest threshold.
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: Any of you. In general. The parking space bad I'm
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: nine to one has already been dying, right and I'm
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: just waiting.
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: I've done it before. I've done this before.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: Shocking to me that Jim is not the one on
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: this show who was on an hoa board. Yeah, yeah,
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: it is just that is still just now Okay, my
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: day is coming.
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: Right If the driver, if I suspect that they're drunk,
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: they've been drinking or something like that, and I will
• 8:03
  Speaker 3: definitely if that's the one I did.
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: So you you want all the cool people pulled over?
• 8:07
  Speaker 3: Huh, all right, square whatever a nerd guys, am?
• 8:12
  Speaker 5: I right?
• 8:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't eventful week.
• 8:15
  Speaker 5: I was like, okay, that's a driving Yeah, thats thevan
• 8:19
  Speaker 5: of bananas was fun.
• 8:20
  Speaker 4: It was worth it. Yeah, not for the guy in
• 8:23
  Speaker 4: front of me. He'd rather be at March.
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: Texas still doing Okay, how how is Texas? Is it
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: holding up?
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: I guess it's still hot.
• 8:31
  Speaker 4: It's it was very very hot there. Yeah, I don't know.
• 8:35
  Speaker 5: It's very flat and Dallas very pretty and hilly. And
• 8:38
  Speaker 5: Austin Okay, the traffic's terrible, Like there's there's more orange
• 8:43
  Speaker 5: cones I think in Austin contection on the roads than.
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: Austin is the worst city I've ever driven in. Astin
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: is a terrible city to drive in. I love Austin.
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: It's a terrible city to drive.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: It just constant construction. They're always fixing. It's just not
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: built for what it is.
• 8:58
  Speaker 5: It grew way fast, stir then keep up with and
• 9:02
  Speaker 5: no planning, so they're just bandating.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: Like everything and it's put another one here.
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, every third road is a one way street in
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: a different direction, okay, And like, but but if you
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: need to turn right, all of the streets are only
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: going left. Yeah, that's just that's just how that goes.
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: You'll run it like, no kidding. There are spots where
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: you're driving down a road and you'll be like, I
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: have turned right, Oh this is one way street going left.
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: The next street also going left. And because like the
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: planning is so poor in spots, they'll have multiple one
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: way streets the same direction parallel.
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: To each other. Like it's ridiculous.
• 9:37
  Speaker 4: It is stunning though.
• 9:37
  Speaker 5: They have like Ladybird Lake that kind of winds like
• 9:40
  Speaker 5: a river right in front of the city.
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 9:42
  Speaker 4: It's stunning. It's a beautiful.
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always heard nice things about Austin. You've been
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: to Austin a couple of.
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: Times, like that it's but it's it's uh, it is
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: difficult to drive around in Yeah, for sure.
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: Well shitty here too. You're holding something there. Ye, good news.
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: We got a Christmas card March and Jacob.
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: So Jacob just handed it to me. It's quite possible
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: we did read this when we got it. Okay, it's
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: also quite possible that we just got it.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: Also. I just found it today and I was like,
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know if.
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: This's ever got a show or not, but happy holidays
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: from the Tigus, Sam.
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: Peter and Mayor.
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: I see a picture in front of the Pinball Hall
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: of Fame and beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada.
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: That's giants causeway, I believe right there, giants causeway.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: So showcasing their travels and then and the cats. We
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: have a camera now that is going to get us
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: banned on Twitch. We cannot show genitals. Jeez's horrible. Don't
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: start very nice. Well, we've got a big show for
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: you here today. Don't forget a Patreon dot com slash
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: therapy can join our pre show hangout, which may or
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: may not contain video in the near future. We know
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: it right now living in the future, so check it out.
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: Patroon dot com slash there. But we've got some great
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: questions for today, and if you were in the Patreon
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: you even heard a sizzling teaser all about it. So
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: we're gonna find out if we live up to the hype.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: Let's see, there we go. We're kicking off the questions
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: with being cyberstalked by my father. Hey, folks, I've been
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: estranged from and have had no contact with my deadbeat
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: dad for about fifteen years. To say that he doesn't
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: agree with this arrangement is an understatement. Over the past decade,
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: he's done the following non exhaustive laundry list to try
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: to quote get in touch with me. One called campus
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: security at my college to do a wellness check on me.
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: Two called every job I've had to ask to speak
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: to me. Three located every work email I've had and
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: has tried to email me. Four emailed family friends distant relatives,
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: none of whom my month's speaking terms with, to ask
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: if they will connect with me. The list goes on.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: The item that bothers me the most is the emailing,
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: because it's the most persistent.
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: Every time I've gotten a new job, I've had to
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: block his email addresses, but he just keeps making new
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: ones and emailing me from those. This is a ritual
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: that repeats every three months or so. It's the most
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: exhausting game of whack a mole anyone could ever play.
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: As soon as I think he's gone for good, he's
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: back at it like a bad case of the fleas.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: I never read his emails, but on outlook at least
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: the first few words are visible in the thumbnail, so
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: I end up inadvertently reading that before deleting it. Today's
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: thumbnail from him congratulated me on being involved in child advocacy,
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: a field I haven't been involved in in almost a decade. Cool. Cool.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: I suppose he was just googling me and found an
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: article or something.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: Seems like you should update your social media probably more often.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: On your work history side, writers like a mistake that
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: could have been avoided if you had been a little
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: more diligent with your LinkedIn prom On Dad's side.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: On this, he doesn't know any better. All right, that's
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: kind of on you, but it makes me white hot
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: with rage. Part of me does want to respond with
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: something like, hey, dickhead, if you actually gave a shit
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: about me, you'd know how out of date this information is.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: Fuck off and die already and stop stalking me. End quote.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: Apologies for the stream of consciousness, but the cycle of
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: blocking his emails, the leading new addresses, rinse and repeat
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: is absolutely exhausting to me, not to mention they come
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: in on my work email, which is very distracting from
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: actual work. When the lone sight of his name popping
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: up fills me with instant anger and panic. Yeah, my
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: mom otherwise known as his ex wife, has suggested a
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: restraining order, but I honestly don't want to give him
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: the validation of knowing that he's gotten to me. I
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: also don't want, read don't have the energy to invest
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: the time and money into anything involving him. Thoughts on
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: strategies to manage the triggering effect of a new outreach
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: attempt from him. No matter what I do, I have
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: a hunch this is just something I'm going to have
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: to deal with for a very long time. Appreciate you all.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you all. Anonymous. Well, Anonymous, I'm glad you're
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: listening because we have another letter here just for you. Hello, Anonymous,
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: it's me Dad, really proud of you. Call me lots
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: of love daddy. So yeah, he was on point, he
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: was ready, so spots of the show.
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: So here's what's interesting about this because my first thought
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: was just, yeah, this seems very intense. This seems like
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: a very strong reaction. And then my second thought was
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: if Jim's adult children, ye stop talking to.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Him, Yes, I am so much would he? That's so
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: much worse.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: I know because I was like, yep, you do that
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: email that you would do that email? He would your
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: words that he has not shown up where you were.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: But let's just talk about email for a moment. If
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: it was Jim, there would be.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Multiple bots set up that would be emailing you automatically
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: all the time, like it would be a constant street.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: It would be an email every hour on the hour
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: at minimum. It would be text messages, it would be
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Facebook messages, it would be any kind of messages that
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: he could do.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Honestly, we're not being fair.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: He yes, he would do that if his children stop
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: talking about He would also do that if I stopped
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: talking to him.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I thought even if they were still talking to.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Like, I know the route you pay to the gym,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I would be on that route with a sign that says,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: call me please, What did I do wrong? Dressed up
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: as I mean, I have the outfit the news god
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: kind of a big deal. That is the creepiest thing
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: the planet.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well other people describe it as charming. Yeah, those
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: people are members of NAMBLA NAMBLA.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Are we support that? We are? So how do we
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: feel about this?
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: So?
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Like, obviously for Anonymous's sake, I mean, Anonymous is saying, look,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: this sucks. Like it's not charming, it's not cute. I
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: don't see this as paternal. He's been a deadbeat to me.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I've chosen to pull him out of my life. You
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: no longer have the luxury of access to me, and
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: so you don't get to keep pushing. And at some
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: point whenever you keep pushing this way though I have
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: clearly said no, and I've not made myself any more
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: available than the past. It's not cute, Like, it's not charming,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: it's it's harassment.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that I would this lack of sense of
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: control over that, like somebody just inserting themselves and having
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: the ability to insert themselves into your lives, especially when
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: you're at work and your brain is somewhere totally out
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: like different, and maybe you've blocked him for a while
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: after a month or two and you have to see
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: that again. That that's a terrible feeling, and I'm so
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: sorry that that you're going through that. I think the
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: triggering effect is very understandable. I I know you said
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: you don't really want to go through the stress or
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: money or whateverything's involved with like their straining order. And
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: this is from someone who does not know I know
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: a teeny bit of how restraining orders work. I don't
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: know if you're even and there's an option for this.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: I know that they don't cost any money. Think you
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: just go in a courthouse and file it. Maybe that's
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: just for the temporary ones, so don't I don't quote
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: me on any of that, but there's a possibility it
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: won't cost you money. It may cost you time. But
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: the amount of time and energy you're spending on being
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: like just on edge, I imagine that costs a lot
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: of anxiety of just I don't know. Every time you
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: log into your email is a teeny part of you
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: just thinking what if there's an email in there from him?
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I also get the writer's other point about that, which
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: is that if I do this, then it sends the
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: message that he knows that I've been.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Getting the messages. Yeah, and I'm tired of him.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Where it's like there is a little bit of power
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: in being able to say to send the illusion that
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: like nothing's getting through.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, No, no, I have.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: I have pushed back to that because I saw with
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: this and my thoughts are, who fucking cares if he
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: gets satisfaction or not. We aren't in the business of
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: catering to anything he's thinking feeling.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, I agree with all of that. I was going
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: to wrap back around to the kind of ghosting strategy
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: anyway in talking about, like what is the most effective
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: strategy to actually stop the communication?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Hasn't worked?
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: It does ten years but no, no.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I'm saying like it. But that's the conversation I want
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: to have.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: It's like, so, like, let's because you guys are all
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: talking about you know, the relationships and all that kind
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: of thing, and like, great, now let's talk about what
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: the actual effective strategies to get someone to stop interacting
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: with you are. Okay, And like, ghosting is solid. Ghosting
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: is usually a pretty solid strategy.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: If they get the point. Yeah, give a fuck, Yeah,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: but I brought this up as a joke. But let's
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: just play it through. Okay, if this was your children, Yeah,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: what would dissuade you?
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Boy?
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: It's going to take a restraining order?
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: There needs to be a legal consequence, and even that
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: is gonna be and you can, according might take a
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: couple of days in the jail. Yeah, according to what
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I'm looking up, now you you are able to get Again,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: we know nothing about this, don't take but I just
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: looked up can you get a restraining order that will
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: stop someone from sending you an email? And the answer
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: is yes, you can get You can get a restraining
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: order that says, you know, no contact by any means
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: covering all of that. So like it exists. But yeah,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the question is like, Jim, so if your adult kids
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: got a restraining order and this imaginary land that will
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: definitely happen in a few years, crystal inevitable, would a
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: restraining order stop you from doing anything?
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: If you're if you're making the effort to communicate with
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: someone who clearly doesn't want your communication.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Anyway, I think no response makes you think I have
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: a chance.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe no, I think if somebody is delusional
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: or relentless, maybe they needed direct Let me.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Preface that the writer's fault. You're not telling them.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but no, you're right, Whitney, Like, I feel
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: like silence is this. You know, there's a lack of
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: a message in silence, and people get to interpret whatever
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: they want in that message. So they might be thinking, oh,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you're reading this, yeah you know, and like that. That
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: happened to me. Oh, by the way, turn.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Off your red receipts on everything. This isn't just for
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: the writer. This is just anybody who can hear me
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: right now? Why do you have your red receipts turned on? Yeah?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Why have them turned on? This happened to.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Me where I'm always so confused when I get a
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: red receipt from it like any format, But what why
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: do you have this?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I had gone to a football game and and I
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: had met this really cool fan or not cool, but
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: just a polite person was sitting next to me and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: they were like, oh, you and your buddy are posing.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Do you want me to take a picture of you guys
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and I'll text it to you. And I was like, great, Yeah,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: you could just take my phone but whatever, okay, Like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: we're having a great time. So the guy takes a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: couple of good pictures of us. He's like great, you know,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I'll text you which your number. I'm like great, I
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: give my number and he texted me them and like
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like great. And then that night he texted me
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: again and he's like, man, that was such a great game,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't it. And I was like, yeah, yep, go rebels.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: You know, bye forever right, Like I think we're done here,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the entire transaction is complete. I kept getting like photos
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: from this guy yep. And then he went online and
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: he found news articles of me wearing my crazy ass
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: hat and he started sending me the news articles, which
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: at first I was like, okay, I get it. You
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: were there, you took pictures of me with the hat.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: You're letting me know, hey dude, this is online.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Your famous. Like great, but also we've met once and
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: like I wouldn't even say we've met. And at some
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: point I had to block this guy because it just
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: it was every day, it was another mess wow. And
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'll tell you, so finally
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: block him. Second text message would have been the point
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: where I blocked him. I block him eventually, and then
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I go to another football game, and this is like
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: a month later.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you know what I believe
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: in God.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, this is the day that we conver if there's
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: a god who just maliciously antagonizes Jim sold.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Like, oh.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: God, I just need to know you're just gonna pick
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: on this guy. I just needed to be realistic. So
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I see it burning bush. Just hey watch this.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I'm chilling in my chair and I get a tap
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: on the shoulder and I turn around and it's the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: guy and I'm like, hey, bore, he goes, did you
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I was texting you from my seat to let you
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: know that I'm here. I took some pictures, like why
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: aren't you getting him? I was like, it is so
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I let him know. Yeah, the daddy dick. So yeah.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: So I'm like I had to face this whole awkward Oh.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to back my way out of this, right,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Like I blocked you?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Sorry?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Oh you I didn't know. Yes, I would have been like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, so my phone must be crazy.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Number.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I'd have been like, hey, I'm gonna go grab a beer.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: You want one? And then I was.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like for cigarettes, I'll we're a little light on
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: milk champ. I'm just gonna make a quick run.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: On you. Go ahead and put on a movie. I'll
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: be right back.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: While I'm gone. Take care of your mom for me.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Take care of your mom. You're the man of the
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: house now.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: So this guy is he's like flicking through his phone saying, oh,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you didn't get my messages. As he's flicking, I can
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: see this thing is going and going. Yeah, it's been
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: multiple hits a day. But my point to agree with
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Whitney is, on the other hand, until you could have
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: missed out on a wonderful friend. No, well, none of
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you try to reach out to me. You know, you
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: guys dodge me.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I would you would think you would take the hill. Yeah,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: well this is I guess the point. I guess this
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: is the same point we're all making. Is that me
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: weird guy at the football game, an anonymous cuckoo dad.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: We are all interpreting the wrong message from silence and
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: so like up until this guy realized, until I told
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: him to his face, hey bro, I blocked you.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't know you. I don't want to stay
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in touch. Up until that moment you said that. Yeah,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and I think I'm sure it wasn't that graceful. I'm
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: sure it was a lot and and I didn't know
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: what to do, oh my, but yeah, no, it was awkward.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Like I am furious, okay that you did not record
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: this interaction. It's like you don't even I'm out on
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the god thing. I know.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, he'll spend six hours talking about ADHD.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: But when he finally has a story, we want to hear.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just hit record. My point is, doesn't
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: record jim thing I did. Fuck me? So they get
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: with the camera. I should just pose with this guy
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and like lick the tears off of his face. But yeah,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: so I agree. I think that an anonymous case whenever
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you're just silencing all these things. And I assume that
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Dad is not delusional. Dad's aware that. And it's probably
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: because Dad keeps going through family and all these other routes.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: It sort of communicates a Dad that is not unaware,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: not the blocking. But I guess, yeah, I can see
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a situation where they do not understand how much this
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: bothers you, and like you need that positive feedback loop
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: at some point. So I think that all of us
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: are saying, please be open to thinking more about that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: writer like that. That is a tool, that's probably the
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: only tool that's going to make a difference in this case.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: What do you think of sending Dad a letter, an email, dick,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: a tasteful dick pick.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Get the message?
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets the message, no words, just a picture
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: of a dick.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: It's just but this Dad's gonna be like, I'm just
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: so proud of you, Like, that's my boy.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think we know the gender of this person.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I think we don't have I don't think they can.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I think that's rooting for it. I don't think it
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: has to be a dick that you own, right, yea,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: if this is your partners, I don't.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Think you have to know the dick at all. That's true.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: But what do you think of just.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Sending a if Dad is if it's possible, I guess
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: that Dad is unaware, ambiguous on the messaging here at all.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: What do we think of just sending a.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Letter to Dad, just saying some kind of Hey, here
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: is here is my bottom line, This is how I
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: can Here's how I look at our relationship.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Here is you know what?
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Here is the lack of relationship that I see here,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: and if you keep on doing this, I'm going to
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: have to take the step of getting a restraining order.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not anything that I want to do.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I'd like you still to be able to contact me
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: in case of an emergency or however you want to
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: phrase it. You do, you do you, but however you
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: want to say that, what do you think about it?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I'm just kind of like that, like, here's your final warning, Pie,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: And if I if I hear back from you anything
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: other than hey, okay and understood, uh, we're gonna We're
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: gon We're gonna have to go that route.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, but I think if
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: that hasn't already happened at some point, that has to happen, right, Yeah.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I'd assume that Anonymous has probably done one or.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Too, but I don't know. I don't think to try
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: one more time and then be like all right.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's tough because writers saying like, Okay, look, you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I have my own feelings on whether I'm gonna do
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the restraining order. Mom's trying to push me toward it. Obviously,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you guys are giving me feedback as well. But writer
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: is saying, like, how do I just live my life
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and avoid being like triggered in this way? Thoughts on
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: strategies to manage the triggering effect when I get another
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: ping from him? And gosh, man, I mean I don't know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: like constantly being barraged by somebody that causes you sadness
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: and anxiety and no matter, you can't possibly purge them
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: from your life. Assuming that you know the restraining order
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: is not an option, how do you just numb yourself
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to that?
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's the thing. It's like, if the
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: restraint you say, if the restraining orders is not an option,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I think it kind of has to be an option, because, like,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: if you're dealing with the emotional baggage of this, you
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: either have to, you know, when we're talking about the triggers,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: you either have to improve coping skills to deal with
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the trigger or you have to remove the stimulus. Yeah.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Going to be one of those two. Yeah, And the
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: easiest would be to remove the stimulus, which is.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Going to be the restraining order. Yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: And of course with the restraining order, you know, don't
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: take any good advice from us except talk to a lawyer.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Talk to somebody who.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Actually knows the law, will give you a few minutes first.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I was gonna say, like,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: if you call a lawyer's office, call them up, don't
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: sit them inn, or maybe an email might work too.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it all works now, but get
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: in contact with them and you'll give a quick summation
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: of your situation and just say, you know, is there
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: an attorney that I could speak to for fifteen minutes
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: and you know, could you give me a free fifteen
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: minutes to give you the broad strokes of this. You
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: say yes or no, we should proceed with this, we
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: should not, or you give me that advice from there,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and then we'll decide what to do.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: On the side of Like in a world where we
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: just have to deal with the trigger, I guess the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: only thought or advice I would have on that is
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: trying our best to do some kind of reframing technique
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: so that we can reinterpret what's happening. We all get
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: spam all the time. I mean, I don't know about
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you guys, but when this probably happens to you, they'll
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: look up your MPI number or something and you'll get
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: these text messages that from like collectors or like folks
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: that can do processing for insurance payments. Yeah, and they're
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: always like, hey, you know, we'll change the rate or
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: whatever we are collecting company or whatever we're whatever. Those
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: guys are called credentialers and billers, and so like, we
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: get spammed all the time, you know, we all do
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: as a society. And the Patreon we were talking about
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the relentless, endless advertising reality that we live in. Yeah,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: but there I could see a world where anonymous works
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: really hard to reframe this barrage as as innocuous to
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: them as hey, we're trying to reach you about your
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: auto warranty, right, Like it's always annoying, but I think
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of us who actually do get really
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: pissed off. Like whenever it's like you're doing this again,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you're still trying to reach me from out of ward again, right,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Or you're at Low's and the guy comes up to
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you a second time about solar panels, Like there's a
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: part of us that can get upset about that. There's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: a reframe if it was happening over and over again,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: where it's groundhog Day, where you develop almost a sense
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: of humor about it, and like you go through this
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: like motion of telling yourself, Yep, it's just more spam.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: My spam filter caught it. Let me throw it out.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Difference between those two is what it means to that person.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: The meaning is everything.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Right like and so for the writer, maybe this would
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: be something to kind of think about, is like when
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: this when you get these messages, what does this mean
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: to you? Like, what's the meaning that you give it?
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Like and it sounds like and I don't want to
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: put words in your mouth, but it almost kind of
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: sounds like there's a deep hurt and resentment that like
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: now you're trying to reach out maybe, And so I
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: think that's where a lot of this is coming from.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: And maybe that's something to kind of work through in
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: therapy because I think if you're able to kind of
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: take some of that away from it and some of
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: that power, then these triggers become less intense.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I think another interpretation could be I said no,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: you fuck you know I've said no, and like that's
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: one of the most annoying things in the world is
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: when it's like no means fucking no, and somebody keeps
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: pushing anyway. It's really hard to reframe and reinterpret that
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: as benign or laughable or just wave your hand like whatever.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: They don't get it, but I guess I don't know.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: I don't want your solar panels.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: But you do. I know you do. I need to
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: how much money? You could say? I do? Yeah, I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: do want it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: I feel like it goes on too something though, where
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: it will feel less painful if you can work through
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: some of that art and maybe you already have worked
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: on that, but there does sound like there's lot of
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: emotion behind. Yeah, just the reaction right now, and if
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: it's been fifteen years that they've been out of your life,
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: like that tells me there's still an open wound there.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Right, maybe needs well and it's tough.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: It's similar to me or adjacent to those who live
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: with their abuser, right that somehow for whatever.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Working with teenagers, I think about this because they don't
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: have control.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: And they still live at their abusers. They can't get
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: up and it's like I have to see this person
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: every single day. They don't take no for an answer.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to establish boundaries of them. What do
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I do? And sometimes in those situations as a really
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: hard lift therapeutically.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: To teach them like almost mindfulness, almost like you have
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: to detach from the emotional reality except the presence of
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: resentment and fear and frustration as just a being in
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the room with you that is not you, right, and
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: like allow it to pass through without reaction. It's some
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: pretty advanced level shit.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: It's not easy to do. Yeah, honestly, I think that
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the restraining order is cheaper than all the therapy. But
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: fair are the ideas on the table. Writer, But again,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you know we we support you in this. Unless your
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: dad patrons the show, then I I'm not all It
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: depends on what level okay, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: level wins yeah yeah yeah, top level winds there, it
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: is absolutely so just know where we stand. Writer, You
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: knew what this was. You wrote into the show. You
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: better just jump up to their partners better get you
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: might want to pioneer some new ground. You're a little preemptive.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Otherwise every show you listen is gonna be brought to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you by anonymous dad. We're gonna take quick break.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: When we come back.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: There will be no naming the studio. Just to try
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to contact your strange child.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna do it. Somebody's gonna buy a name, the
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: naming of the studio. Anonymous dad trying to contact about
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: auto home warranties. When we come back, we were talking
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: about school sucks and I'm bad at it. You are
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: listening to pod Therapy.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Today's episode is brought to you bys Smitty Scoop, Mason Miller,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Tess Miller, Biler, Team Harris, Team Monaco, Oscar Swan, Rose, Anna,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Marie McCain, Myra and Sam Cone. And if you'd like
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: to squons the show, become a therapeus er patuon dot
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: com slash therapy a wreck. All right, Jeopardy style questions today.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, alright, Jeopardy I.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Think, yeah, yeah, you know that's it. They randomized the board,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: was like sprinkling outto the board.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. Potent potables. Yeah, that's a penis mite.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Here the rapists for five hundred.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: That's a good one.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: We're gonna skip literature. Let's just go to a science.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna read it off and then you're gonna buzz in.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, this is an eight hundred dollars question. Oh ship,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: if you buzz in and get it wrong.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: You go negative? All right?
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, the principal stating that no two electrons in an
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: atom can have the same set of quantum numbers.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Uh no two electron. Yeah, it's a prince.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Can you repeat the question? Can you spell elect I.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Feel like this is a bad idea. Let's move on.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll go up to the one thousand.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: This law state, But what was the answer the paly
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: exclusion principle. Oh, you didn't have a first all right,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: this one you may know. This law states that entropy
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: in an isolated system always increases.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, the law of entropy. No, right now,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: And I just leapt into the lead. The fury of
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the flame everywhere. All of the further of the questions
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: upcoming are all worth a dollar apiece. I cannot all right,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: all year we can do is negative nine hundred and
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: ninety seven dollars dead.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: That was the second law thermodynamics. Let me go to
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: the elementary version.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this ship did Alec Lancaster send these in?
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: No? I just threw these together real quick. I'm glad
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: that you thought that we could do this.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Oh ship, But the other ones didn't have answers. But
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: let's go to the ones that I do know.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. What is the capital city of France?
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Buzz yes, Paris? Two hundred dollars, Good job, Jacob.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty great. I was sitting a text message too.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Jeez, just shooting from the hip. That's pretty good. The
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: number of players on a field in football buzz yes,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: twenty two?
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Who uh yes, I'll give you that.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Eleven yeah be eleven per Yeah yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Like what's the double?
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: So Jacob is that's another two hundred for Jacob.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Christ so ahead of Jim I know?
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Second?
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Still anything?
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: The international soccer tournament held every four years, Yes, World Cup?
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Good job, six hundred points.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Sorry it's the FIFA World Cup. I really do not
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: like how this game worked out, Guys, I'm gonna be
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: honest with you.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: Feels like I tell you, Peter and I have tickets
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: to the World Cup. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah cool.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: That's really cool.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: All Right, here we go, Uh, last one for this
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: round for a thousand? Uh for two dollars, let's go
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: to let's go to one thousand. Let's go to what's
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: the category movies and pop culture?
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm fucked.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: The fictional language spoken avatar is called this fuck Buzz.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Really, you're about to go negative six hundred now, yeah
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: he has four.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Hundred he buzz. That means.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: The country my noves nuts.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: Wow, Jacob, I am pressed ship the wealth of knowledge.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I have to do, I have to do one more.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It was like I did there somewhere to make it
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: sixt around a little bit?
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, okay, here we go.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Uh bad, twelve hundred points or twelve.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Movie was so much better what it was called Dances
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: with Wolves.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry for twelve hundred dollars twelve real money. This
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: two thousand and six film features a magician rivalry between
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: characters Buzz Jackman Bale.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: The prestige it is. I'm on the board two hundred. Yes,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I got up.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: So our final scores we've got Jim two hundred.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I came out. That was a twelve hundred.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Whitney at six hundred, Jacob at fourteen hundred.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Who anybody's game? Anybody could could still come back and
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: win after I was dating loss. That was legit.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Man, I'm not sure it would have taken me longer
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: to tell you my zip code. Yeah, yeah, that was
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: that was pretty good, all right.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: School sucks and I'm bad at it. Hey, Hi, Hello,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: it's me not Kieran Knightly checking in. I don't know guys,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: seems little suspicious. It seems might think it's k I'm
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: struggling with something in my brain and you're a group
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: of therapists and a former PhD guy yeah, and a
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: current and current Yeah. School was always a tricky bean
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: for me during grade school. Report cards didn't show my
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: struggle because my need to impress slash fear of disappointing
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: my parents and teachers outweighed my poor work ethic. Though
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: it was assumed I had anxiety, my mom did catch
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: a handful of moments when I couldn't handle the pressure
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: and ended up having big emotional outbursts that were very
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: inappropriate considering my age. Those happened when I fully missed
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: a deadline for an opportunity that I could have completed
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: but didn't because I was lazy, unmotivated, had priorities wrong, etc.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: University was seven years of hell. I was either stressing
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: about the pile of looming deadlines while doing exactly nothing
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: about it, or pulling all nighters to do assignments. It
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: was years of panic and stress. Guilt and shame, as
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: well as I cared deeply about the content of my
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: classes and really appreciated many of my professors. I graduated
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen and still feel a pit in my
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: stomach when I think about staring at a blank word
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: document that needs two thousand words about a book I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: didn't read that I have thirteen hours to complete. Anyway,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I learned four years ago that I might have ADHD,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: then got a diagnosis two years ago. I'm on vivance now,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and boy, I love that little guy. I wasted years
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: fighting myself and now a little bill quietly lets me
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: do things a bit more easily. Nice. I'm still genuinely lazy,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: sometimes in struggle to get things done, but now I
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: can actually do the tasks. It's bizarre and feels fake,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: but I don't think it is. One very notable thing
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: about my ADHD assessment was that my visual focus was abysmal.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: The psychiatrist said that if it didn't drastically improve with meds,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: i'd have to go to some I specialists to see
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: what's going on. It was such a relief because I've
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: always wanted to be a reader, but thought I was
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: too addicted to screens and fried my brain to read
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: well and comprehend the text. I'm still learning how to
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: read books I like and build my stamina. Now I've
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: applied to go back to school.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: For more teacher learning. Part of me wants that future
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: education and salary bump, but the other part.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Of me he's very scared. I'm actually just bad at school,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm signing myself up for a few more years
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of hell. I never learned how to start things before
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: panic work mode, and I'm so scared that even if
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I start assignments sooner, I'll just work in panic mode
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: because that's just how I've done assignments. What if I
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: still can't read more challenging pieces. What if school was
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: just too hard and it will continue to be too hard.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: My grade seven through twelve band teacher always used to
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: tell us feel the fear and do it anyway. Very
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: creepy writer, and that is what I'll do. But what
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the hell can I do to not pre panic too
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: late and not set myself up for failure. I like
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: this show, and you four are wonderful. Keep on creeping on,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: my friends, not Kieran Nightley. In case anybody was wondering
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I'm proud of Kiera Nightly though, for getting back into
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: school after you know, the Hollywood career.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: You know what, this just hit me. Okay, you know
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: who this is? This is Natalie Portman.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is exactly who this is.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: That would be a great screen name for Natalie Portman,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: not Karen Knightley.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be so good. Yes, yeah, so school Okay,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: So I think, first off, school does suck. I think
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: we can all did any of you like it was college?
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: A happy time? College? Like, yeah, I loved it.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I like I like papers and tests and I'm great
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: at all that. Okay, what's your I'm so good at
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: papers just bullshit, I can talk, okay, it translates, yeah,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: for papers specifically, it translates.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. So writing was never a problem. Writing was always
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: when you got the big essay assignment, you were like, great,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: this will be fun if it's something that I can
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: just like talk about and like add meat to a
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: to a bone, okay, and commentary stuff, that's it. Reflection.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I was always good at that. What about like doing
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: research papers or having to substantial if I was interested
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: in it? Okay, if I liked it and was interested
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: in it, I was. I was. I put the time in.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: On it, but it could be a really if I
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: wasn't interested in it, then well in by college though,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I mean by college, I would just do.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: It, okay. Never had a problem with that. Yeah, all right,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: how about everything before? No, not a chance stangment. You
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: seem like you're a real good student. Brad apples to
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the professor. That kind of thing got there about ten minutes.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Early offered to bang out the chalkboard.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Erasers yeahever else bang out oh yeah, but chock worker chockboard.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: But he was going to say, yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever, yeah, because we still had chalkboards.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: When I was in college. I'll bet you did.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: We didn't, actually, all right, there may have been or two,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: but mostly there we go.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: My god.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: We did have a script things on things and then
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: had to erase them, that's true. We did have overhead projectors,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: yeah you did, oh with the uh yeah yeah yeah,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: with the I loved overhead projectors. Those were great.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Now, I don't know. College for me was kind of fun.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: I think like Jacob, it kind of depended on the
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: class or depending on my level of interest. But there's
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: also classes I took that I didn't think would be interesting,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: but for some reason I did kind of find it
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: interesting and I was willing to learn about it. The
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: hardest thing for me, I think, was like reading, because yes,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: I'm not a big reader, and I don't know if
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: I've got ADHD. But like I don't think I have ADHD.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I think I'm just lazy.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Well, you just may be averse to reading, like that's
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: a total thing. It's a learning stuff, But like I would,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: you could also just be lazy. Yeah, it give them
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the credit of.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Both.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, lobby son of a bitch, you were saying, I.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Would read entire pages and then not know like what
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: happened of them.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Found Cliff's notes to be very helpful. Yes, so I
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: use those quite a bit.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, living in the era that we live in
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: now is insane. Like I was just talking to my
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: graduate students about this, and I was showing them how
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: it's I'm fine with them using AI as long as
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: they don't cheat on anything. I'm fine with them using
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: it as an educational tool. You can download the textbook
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: go into notebook LM. If you've not found this yet,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Google owns something called notebook LM. It's free. You can
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: give it the textbook and then it becomes an AI
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: expert only on what you give it. So you give
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: it the textbook and then you can talk to it
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: about your textbook and ask it questions. Yeah, like in
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: chapter five, like what is this concept? Or can you
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: give me a summary? So it can do anything with that.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: One thing it can do is generate an hour long
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: podcast naturally discussing any chapter in the book between two hosts.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: It is the craziest shit I've ever seen in my life.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: If it helps you learn, yeah, it's great.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I'm totally for it. I try to show my students
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: this because I'm like, hey, you can make flash cards,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: you can make outlines, you can you can have it quiz,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: you could ask questions. It will generate naturally talking like hosts.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: It's just like the contents just scatter. It's scattershot.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Like it's like one of these learning techniques might work
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: for you. Yes, Like I'll tell you exactly why, because
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: it's funny, the like stupid thing from Avatar on the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: on the questions earlier, like I know that, and I
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: know exactly why.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I know that you didn't know that law of thermodynamics,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: You dumb ass.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: No, And I'll tell you why I didn't know that
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: is because the movie I'm hearing it, I'm like, I'm
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: taking it in in that way.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm an audio person. I'm like that.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I'm a very audio driven person. Like if I hear
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: some if I if I'm reading something and want to
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: really make sure that I remember it, because I'll retain
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: stuff if I read it or whatever. But if I
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: really want to make sure that I read it or
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: that I remember it, I'll read it out loud.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's where twitter twitter handle means. Yeah, audio guy, Jake, No, No, Jacob,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I'm exactly like you. And I was going to say
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: that when we're talking about like how did you guys
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: get through college? For me, I would have textbooks and
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I would read them, and my reading comprehension just like
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: he was extremely bad, and it's the end of the page,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what I read. So I went
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: out and bought a tape recorder and I would record
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: myself reading the chapter. And that's actually one of the
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: reasons I'm I'm decent at like picking up a question
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: from our show and just kind of getting through it
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and not be shitty, you know, reading it. I would
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: have to read the whole thing live and I couldn't
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: edit it. And then I would stop the tape. I'd
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: put in headphones and i'd walk campus and I'd listen
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: to myself reading back the textbook. And that's whenever I
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: would understand it or I would actually capture the information.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Also, where you developed love of your own voice?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you're probably right.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: This is all Probably he would do the whole He
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: would do all of this while just looking at a
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: photograph of himself.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, vigorously masturbating in the middle of campus.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this is how it happened. You don't. You
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: don't do that.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: I'm so opposite, like auditory learning. No, it's like you're
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: out there because.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, what an interesting profession you're shows.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill myself. What what? Could you write it down? Yeah,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I wasn't. Honestly, you write it down? Oh
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: this is a lovely stick figure. Jump?
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Is he flying? Is he flying off a building?
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: That's cool for me.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: That's why I like, I really do like in person
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: therapy better because I'm engaging with the person and I
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: will remember. I'm like remembering, I remember what they're wearing
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: when they said something like I'm so visual. Okay, that's
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: what gets me. I remember in even elementary middle school
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: when i'd have tests, I would remember where I read
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: it in the book and like the paragraph looked like this,
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: like it was like a snapshot. And so the auditory
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: learning was not it is not a thing just.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Like a photographic memory.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: It is, but not one of those amazing ones.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's how it overstates it.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I'm not like a genius and not.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Like some tooth picks are on the ground.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, take her to the casino boys, make some money.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: You ever see that bobs Burgers one? Because think Tina
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: is like has that power?
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Uh huh?
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: And so Jeane drops some toothpicks, like how many toothpicks?
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: And and then and then Bob's like, come on, Geene,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: knock it off. And then and then Tina's like one
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: hundred and eighty three and then Bob's.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Like there's three. There's three. That's great, Oh my god.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: But no, I mean one piece of advice, you know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to the writer, Like so I don't know if I
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: have ADHD some.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Speculate that I do. But you know, like, all right, Jim,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: even I can't pay attention to you. Idh HD is
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: so bad. I can't pay attention.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: It's secondhand. I can't breathe. I'm great on focusing when
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Jim is around, I just keep staring out the window.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: There's somebody birds. No, But like I always struggled with
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: school and and like for me, it didn't matter whether
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed the content or not. A procrastination, Yeah, procrastination wait,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: like the writer says, like waiting until the worry hits.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: But that's constantly in the state of like suffering everything
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: you do.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: But that I read something about that I'm going to
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: do with ADHD, Like the waiting for the last minute,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: that getting to that point like triggers that part of
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: the brain is kind of that fight or flight response
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: where people with ADHD can actually thrive.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I well, I guess I did, you know, because like
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I would kick into high gear like the writer, and
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I'd get it done. But I appreciate the writer's point
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: that it's exhausting for sure, because you're waiting and waiting
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and then a fucking bear just breaks through the window
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: and then you go ten rounds of this goddamn bear.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: What did you go to liberty? My man, I'm telling
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: you there was handling and bear fighting.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: You're fucking one. Okay, we didn't even learn how to read. Like,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: that's probably what I struggled.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: With, just staring at the just listen to the.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't need to read this book, just do
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: what the man tells you.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Organized religion did go way downhill after reading became more common.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: It really fucked a lot of people. A lot of
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: organized religion really strong right up until reading.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Literacy is not your friend. So yeah, like I get it.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: It's exhausting. It may it may work, but I can
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: appreciate for the right that they're like for them, they
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: they had just as many misses as hits, and so
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: it took a long time for them to complete school
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and signing up to go around again. It sounds like
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: there might be pursuing a master's degree or some you know,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: certification extra education. One thing, writer, I would, I feel
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: really confident for you now that you're on the vivance,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Like for a lot of people, that's the difference maker, right,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Like that's kind of the whole fucking point of the
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: stimulants as a treatment for ADHD, and for those who
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: don't know, and I think we even recently talked about this,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: or maybe I was talking about it one of my classes,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: but just as a quick little primer on why amphetamines
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and stimulants kind of work for people at HD. The
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: metaphor that I've heard that makes the most sense is like,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: when you have ADHD, it's like a house. Your brain
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: is like a house, and there's kids in this house,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: and the kids are awake, but mom and dad are asleep,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: and so the kids are just run around the house.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: They're like, we're gonna make breakfast now, and like they're
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: making breakfast and like, oh, let's go over here, and
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: then like the breakfast is burning, and like they're walking
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: over here and playing a video game and like now
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: they're gonna go over here, Bill of fort. They're just
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: doing things that kids do. What the amphetamines do, what
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the medicine does for somebody who has ADHD is it
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: awakens their executive functioning, which is basically waking up mom
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: and dad in the house. And so now that mom
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: and dad are awake, they take control of the house,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: and so you're still you there's still that little kid
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: in you bouncing around, but there's this ability to focus
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: and like see what needs to be done. That's what
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: the executive functioning basically does, and you're able to like
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: lean in on the tasks until completion. That way, you're
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: not just like bouncing from the next thing. So in theory, writer,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I'm really optimistic for you to start education again in
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: the era of having a treatment for this and alongside
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: so many learning tools now that you could surround yourself
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: with to make it more interesting. I mean, be able
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: to make a podcast about any chapter in your textbook,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: how that the machine is, kick that out, pop it
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: in your phone and take a walk and learn the
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: material you know, or getting on YouTube and watching like
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: anything re explained away from the textbooks. It just seems
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: like it's it's better than ever with multimodal education. And
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I think for people with like autism, ADHD learning disorders,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: this is a really good time for us.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: So did they go to the ice specialist.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: No, the doctor said they were going to send them there,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: but it seems like the medicine calmed them down.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, Natalie, here's how I would do this. I
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: would I kind of go into this with this like
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: you're I think you're going into it with the right attitude,
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: which is like, don't go into this thinking like, Okay,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be so much different this time, and I'm
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: gonna be amazing.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Like I like going in.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: I like seeing you kind of go into this attitude
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: of like, Okay, this could potentially suck. Good point, Yeah,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: but I'm gonna be okay, okayeah, okay, because I've already
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: done this before, You've already gotten out on once, already
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: had to do this. I know that as exhausting as
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: it is, once I get into that fight or flight mode,
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: I will succeed right and I will come out on top.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Like understanding that it's still going to be terrible, it's
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: still going to suck, but you're going to be okay.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: I think is a healthy mindset.
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: You have the tool that you said already does help
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: you get some tasks done, and sometimes you still don't
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: do the tasks, but it sounds like you're doing more
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: than you have before thanks to the vibance.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you have.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: Already shown that there will be some improvement potentially. But
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: I think, yeah, like Nix, I don't expect it to be. Oh,
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: I'm a whole new person and I can do everything differently,
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: but it sounds like there will be some improvements from
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: what you've already experienced.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: And another thing, and the way that Natalie Portman writes
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: this is Natalie Portman British. Did y'all pick up now?
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: Somehow she's She's like, ISRAELI is okay?
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so not America, so essentially British, right, because it's
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: all the same to me. So my point was going
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: to be this.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how close do you think Israel and ohta shoulder
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: to shoulder?
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Right? I mean, you know they're both peninsulas or something.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, very you got to figure they're all
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: kind of related. So I don't like to flex with
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: the geo Knowledgeay, just got to let you guys know
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: what's you know. My point is this, if you were
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: in America, the Promised Land where the free are free,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I would tell you that or was home of the
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: brave land of the free. I believe is that is
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: that how the song goes. Freedom not guaranteed, Okay.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Freedom currently under discussion, freedom and the works.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: So like if you were going to a university here,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I would want you to check in with the the
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Department of Student Services and let them know, Hey, I
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: have a diagnosis of ADHD. I need accommodations and that
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: is not a very difficult thing to get in America
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: at least, And like, if you're a person with your
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: taking vibands for this, I would want you to get
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: that accommodation because, like, I've got students that need accommodations,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: and the department sends me instructions that say, Hey, deadlines
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: are gonna work differently for this person. They're going to
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: get extra notification, You're required to follow up with them.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: You're gonna take big assignments and you're gonna break it
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: into smaller pieces for them.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: As an instructor, how much of a pain of the
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: ass is that on your end?
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: You know, it's more work, but it's the job. And
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things where you look
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: at it and you go, this is correct. Yeah, And
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: there's a sense of like nobody's getting one over on me,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: like this person needs this, and all it's doing is
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: equalizing the field, right, Like, at the end of the day,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I want equal access to information for me, but I
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: really feel for students. I think because I don't think
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I'm ADHD, but if I am, I feel for students,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: you are that way because I sucked at school and
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: so like it was really really hard for me. So
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: like for me, I videotape my lectures, I create like
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: PowerPoint p to go with everything. Ever since I figured
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: out I can make podcasts about the chapters, I do it.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: So like I generate podcasts for all the chapters of
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: the book, and then I give it away to the students.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Like here, here's like ten different ways to absorb this information,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: and you can listen to me in person. But like
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: if you don't want, if that doesn't stick to you
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: or whatever, here's a video of me talking. Here's a
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: podcast version of me talking. Here's a podcast of like
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: two robots discussing it. Here's an outline of the book. Like,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I feel like that's right,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: and the goal is for students to learn, right, So
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: I think if you're entering university, missus Portman, then that's
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: what I would encourage you to do, because you can
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: get those accommodations and you can succeed. So don't let yourself,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: you know, talk yourself out of it.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: Also, Natalie, it'd be really interesting to figure out, like
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: how long you can do a task school related and
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: then take a break, cause I think it might be
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: helpful to instead of thinking about it as like, oh,
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: I need to get started on this right now and
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: then I got to finish it, to kind of have
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: a mindset of I'm going to start early and take
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: mini breaks.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: You know, mini is in.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Multiple not little, okay, but like taking multiple breaks. So
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: taking a task and knowing like I'm going to do
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: this for ten minutes, I'm gonna work on this for
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: ten minutes. I'm gonna take a quick ten minute break.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna use my stop watch on my phone. I'm
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: gonna time this out so that I can still stay fresh,
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: because I think one of the things that becomes a
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: challenge is when you get too far into it. You know,
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: everybody kind of has that moment where it's like, Okay,
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: my brain's kind of done, I need to do something
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: different right now. For some people, that could be three
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: hours into a project, right for other people it could
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: be fifteen minutes. So it might be a good idea
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: to kind of figure out what is your time frame
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: of when you feel like you can be successful and
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I can stay focused for this long. And if I
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: know I can only stay focused for fifteen minutes, then
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: I'm going to plan on fifteen minutes and I'm gonna
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: take a little break. I like that, and then I'm
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: gonna come back break it up into chunks int of
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: instead of trying to get everything done at one time,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: break it up into manageable sizes.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: How did you study Whitney?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Now that we know that you're a certified nerd, certified nerd.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: You're you have fucking photographic memory.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: That's so basically one of my uh psychology professor who
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: was like the head of the department, he told us
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: on day one of like gen site, he said, read
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: the text three times, So like your homework is is
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: chapter one? Read it three times? You say that, but
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: for me, it's perfect because I'm looking at it three
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: times and it's going to get burned in my brain
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: by the third time.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: So that actually just just beat.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Your brain into submission. That's what you do. You read
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: until it the last bubble comes up, and then you're like,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: and now I know this.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I like anything color coded that is bold for
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: me because anything what are those like acronyms or whatever,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: the things where.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: You oh mnemonic device.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, those those I love.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: I was sharing some of those with my niece and nephews,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: and Peter's like, I've never heard of these.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: I'm like you, I like that in school, like the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: pm dos or whatever, like yeah, I don't know.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: And that plan away school, yeah, away opposite school, away school.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's called the Devil's Cottage.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: If there's a song that, like, you know I changed
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: the words to, that'll stick in my brain for forever,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: because songs stick commit like I use all that.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Shows, Okay, color coding weren't for me, like I did this.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: I think I talked about this once before. But I
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: was in a history class, a US history class, and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: I would take notes in class, and then I had
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: an hour between that class and the next one, so
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: I go to the student union and I would rewrite
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: my notes, and then I would color code stuff. So
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: I would put stuff in a red pen or in
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: blue ink if it's about this, and then just then
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: it just it's stuck.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: Right, You know what I feel like when you share
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: that Right now, children were young, very young adults listening
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: to this is probably are probably thinking like that is
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: so ancient, and this thought just popped in my head.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: My dad was an accountant and he was like a CPA.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: He was I remember having to do taxes like buy
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: hands and like calculate things by the little punching numbers
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: thing like did he.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Have a green visor? Yeah?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: But I'm like you look back at that and you're like,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: oh my god, that would have taken forever and like
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: what you were just handwriting out, you know, numbers to
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: account things. I feel like that's us. Now you're like,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: I rewrote my nose. Now they're just like create notes,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: repeat it triggering.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: I spent like four hours today doing my taxes.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: And sent them to my dad.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: I got beef with Turbo tax.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Oh no, they do stupid ship and they make stuff
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: so hard to find and then they're like, oh, you know,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, let's just verify this. I we just
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: have a couple of questions for you. And then the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: questions they ask are so like, okay, you know, I
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: don't know what the funk that means?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: Right, taxes? Like next doing his own tax do y'all do?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Like, oh god, no, I got to thank you.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: I pay someone.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Going to pay some He's that he is definitely going
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: to go down with the ship. My wife, My wife's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: taxes are are impossible.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's Peter.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter's taxes.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: Yet it's not happening.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: My taxes are easy. Okay, Well, well all my money
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: comes to your only fans.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: It's the other business.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's as tradable. You're doing only fans off the books.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I'm also going to take over trivia because Nick Trivia sucks.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: But before we get to that, we're gonna take quick break.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: I need an accommodation for trivia.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going with NIX Trivia. Nick Trivia is great.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Inx Trivia is terrible. You're listening to pod Therapy.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: Today's episode is brought to you by Smitty Scoop, Mason Miller,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: Tess Miller, Biler, t Paris, Team Monaco, oscarsnros Anna, Marie,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Emma Cain, Myra, and Sam Cone. If you like sponsor
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: of the show, come with therap producer pitchon dot com
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: and now let's see what Disney trivia you've got story.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: So our intern Emma to the rescue. Before we started recording,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: she sent us March Madness Trivia because March madness is
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: in full swing. But no, no, nah, and the four of
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: us as we sit here today, we are recording what
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: date is that It is March twenty second. I'm pulling
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: up our standings in our pool, and you should all
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: know Whitney is in third place overall. All right, she
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: is smoking us, So she is very very safe, still
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: has a very high seating. You don't have to win,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: You just have to not lose. Just all you gotta
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: do is not lose. Now, she did get her legs cut.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: Out, so the first round was awesome.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Right, So she's currently sitting with a possible max of
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty points. Next in the room is Nick.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Nick is in twelfth place. His possible max is to
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: twenty two. So as of right now, Whitney's got him
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: by the chuck. But we'll see what happens. Just below,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: mister Tangman in thirteenth place, a certain Jacob Smoth. Look
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: at me, you're the very.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: High ceiling of two forty remember, very possible. Oh I've
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: got a higher ceiling you do, oh, okay.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: And then it's up the rear. In sixteenth place is
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: a certain former doctor Jobin who has got a ceiling
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: of two thirty two? Does that mean not out?
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: But who is most likely of the four of us
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: at bind because last time I looked, I thought I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: was the most likely to be buying dinner.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: No, you were, Yeah, you were dead last for the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: longest Okay, right now, I like your odds. I think
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: you clear a mile, probably Jim or I think it's
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: a shootout between.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Nick And here's the thing, though, we have the exact
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: same Final four and Final two and winter, So it's
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: gonna come down to like today, it's gonna come down
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: to like confidence point or like you picked the final
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: score that's the final tiebreaker for the finals.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: If it all comes down to everything, you have the
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: tiebreaker score that you picked.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: So every year we play March Madness. If you win
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: our pool, we will always check in and get you
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: some free merch and then between the four hosts, it's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: not about winning, it's just about not losing. Rightser buys
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: sushi for the winners. As the three of them enjoy
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: it obnoxiously, we will find you. I was thinking we
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: should change up where we go for sushi this year.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I think, especially now that I don't paying for it,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: I think we should go to Mayfair.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I think Mayfair it's much more expensive. Yeah, the fifty
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: dollars a role play, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a soft yes, okay,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: really just depends on what's going on with Nick and I.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: But if you remember that fifty dollars roll was three bytes. Yeah,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: perfect fightes, okay, three most perfect bites you had. I
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: think I would rather have a twelve dollars roll in
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: eight Okay, bytes, I think I could. I think I'll
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: be better.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: You've never had these perfect you want?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: You want that, I'll bet you. I can't know the difference.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Do we all think I have the palette that I
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: could tell the difference.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: You could tell the difference. It's so good. It's yeah,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: it's so good. It's it's different.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: You can well. In turn, Emma sent us some March
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Madness trivia. I can see the answers. So I'm gonna
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: stay out of it, and we're gonna let you guys start.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I'm wiping the board. It's zero's across that. I don't
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: think you have that authority.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: I just say you know what, this this is how
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: sat works.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Actually we'll blame it. We'll just say that you won
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: the last there you go. Yeah, one in the books
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: and this one. Okay, we'll give you this one too,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: new game.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: All right, here we go. I'm gonna start with tangement
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: losing this game. You can shoot from the hip, or
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: you can get your options. What year was the first
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: NC double a men's basketball tournament held? You want some options? Yeah,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: here we go. You can take you what an amazing shot?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Nineteen thirty five, nineteen thirty nine, nineteen forty two or
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: nineteen forty might be way off as it is in fact,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Wow, co Yeah, I was he was there? No, Nick,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Nick fucking knew. Yeah, yeah, that is. I'm ready.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Second, we're going to Jacob, Come on, Jacob. George Mikeen,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: voted the greatest Michael basketball player of the first half
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: twentieth century by the Associated Press, is credited with inspiring
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: two major rule changes. Sure, the goaltending rule in college
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: and what change in the NBA? Oh, I want the options? Okay?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: The introduction of the shot clock. No, the widening of
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: the lane from six to twelve feet. That's the one,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: the three point line or the defensive three second violation?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I answered, Oh, you're you're taking You're taking B. Yeah,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: it is true. You know, as soon as you said,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I knew it points for you. I just had to
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: hear it. Emma says it is B. They literally doubled
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: the size of the paint to try to keep him
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: away from the basket. In fact, George Miken is the
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: great uncle by marriage of our intern.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew the last name.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: All right, We're going to Whitney.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Whitney, which school holds the all time record for the
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: most NC Double A men's basketball tournament championships.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: I have a guest, but I want to hear. Options.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Options are Kentucky, Duke, Carolina or U c l A.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: Well, my guess is Duke, and I don't really know,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: so I.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Guess it's any amount of money. Okay, all right, doubling
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: down for Duke definitely, Nick, you want to throw down,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: we're going on. The answer is U c l A.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: I think I feel Jacob and I had the same.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the odds, all right, you thought it was just
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: going to be bees all around.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: It always always be Answers are always It's.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: Never the first one any.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Or the third one or the first it's always B.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: It's either B or it's the longest answer. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: was a little predictable. All right, Nick, back to you.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: What is the popular name for the first Thursday and
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Friday of the n C Double A tournament when tons
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: of games overlap and nobody gets any work done? Is
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: it called bracket bonanza, Selection Saturday, the Big Dance? Or
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: the first four? Oh?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: Hold on, did he read them out of order?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: What is the popular name for the first Thursday and
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Friday of the n C Double A tournament when tons
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: of games overlap and nobody gets any work done? Is
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: it called bracket bonanza, Selection Saturday, the Big Dance or
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: the first four? Okay, it's not b or d Okay,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: so we're kicking out Selection Saturday and the first four
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: that leaves today. Okay, Bracket Bananza or the Big Dance.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I have not.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: Heard either of these, but I'll go with uh. I'll
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: go with a bracket bananza. Oh I thought big dance.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Both of you were wrong? No, what is it? Whitney
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: for the steal?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: What were the other options?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Great job, So the big I'm not going to hear
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the bracket Banana is gone and Big Dance is gone.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: You've got Selection Saturday, or the first four, the first four.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: It is the first, it's not. That's not scription with
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Emma and Emma's god. Yes, the play in games, the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: playing games, well, fuck you both. I believe women, So
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: I'm on you mon this game, Jacob. In twenty eighteen,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: which sixteen seed made history.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: Look at me, he's watching you.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: In twenty eight which sixteen seed made history by becoming
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: the first to defeat a one seed tournament. Man, I
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: remember this. I do remember this happening. I don't remember
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: what it was. Some options we got Umbc, Norfolk, Farley
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Dickinson or Florida Golf Coast ship.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's Florida Gulf Coast. It is not, is
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: it all right? I guess I shouldn't guess again.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Why not? Go ahead? Which was it? Norfolk? No?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: He doesn't get to get all right.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: Now, she got to steal, are you right?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: I'm steal nick, okay, I will steal for it.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: It's Farley Dickenson.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: It's not Whitney, Umbc, Norfolk.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: Norwal the Norfolk.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: How would you guys say this word? It's definitely Norfolk, right,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: it's n O R F O l K No. You
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, perfectly. There's no way. That's not the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: right way. I'm agreeing with you, Jim. That's how you
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: say it the correct answers U M B C. See
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Jim gets infinity points. I like I do. Remember this
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: is pretty cool, Whitney. This is actually your question. Who
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: holds the record for the most career n C Double
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: A tournament coaching victories? To give the options? Is it
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: John Wooden, Dean Smith, Roy Williams or Mike Krazy Whisky?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: Probably not that guy.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: You know that he's not saying it. That's coach k
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: That's that's the longtime head coach of Duke Coach Duke.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Chrizy. You want Krizzy. That is right. You are in
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: a commanding lead. I didn't keep track of points, but
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: you have more.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: Of them, so I got to I think, like I think.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: I have like fourteen hundred right, Oh yeah, that's right.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: How I used pod therapy tools to mediate team conflict.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Dear pod Therapy crew and the wonderful ICs folks. I'm
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: writing in to share a situation I ran into yesterday
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: that made me realize just how much I've absorbed from
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: listening to your show. I was working as part of
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: a media team for an event, and one of our
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: members arrived feeling very frustrated. He felt he wasn't being
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: fully included in the planning process and wasn't receiving enough
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: credit for his contributions. He is an incredibly star.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: I know what this advice is. Okay, he's a writer,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: said talk to a therapist.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Oh that's it, that's all you gotta do. Yeah. Then
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: we're getting credit for that.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah done, and we will take it. We
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: will take all the credit spots of the show. He
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: is an incredibly skilled photographer, who produ who produces amazing work,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: but he tends to be more professionally distant while working
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: than the rest of the team, which I think contributed
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: to the friction. In the past, my people pleaser nature
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: intendency to be conflict avoidant would have caused me to
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: just shut down and ignore the tension. However, I found
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: myself using the same language and techniques you use when
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: answering questions. Instead of dismissing his concerns, I really listened
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: and use specific validation tools to make sure he felt hurt. Later,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: I spoke privately with our project lead and suggested he
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: take a moment to have a one on one with
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: this team member to specifically thank him and acknowledge his work.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: That small step seemed to completely shift his outlook for
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: the better. I honestly felt a little proud of myself
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: for taking active steps to help instead of just staying quiet.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: So I have two things for the pod. Thank you
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: to the whole crew for equipping me with the tools
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: to handle this. Even the improv skills.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: From the ICs folks helped me to stay present in
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: a tense moment. Very cool. Yes, and there you go.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: And two, the question have each of you ever had
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: to play mediator between co workers when you find yourself
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: in that position? What is the best technique for diffusing
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: a hostile situation?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: See scoop me.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: I thought that the I thought the question was gonna
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: be what did you do in that situation? Not what
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: was the best method? These are two different aren't the
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: same thing at all?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: So you you've had some conflict show up in the
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: in the show biz, Oh of course.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: My go to though is always if I'm if I'm
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: the boss, if I have anything to do with with
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: dealing with that, if I have to deal with that
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: at all, my go to is always your fucking grown ups.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Fix this. I got the fire extinguisher.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: I'm very much like I will spray you to motherfuckers
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: down with the hose. If I have to settle this,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: it's going to be terrible. The worst thing says you
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: annoy me, I like, I'll just tell them like I will.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: I don't threaten to fire people, Okay. I tell the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: very directly that if this keeps up that I will
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: fire them. It's not it's not like I'm so frustrated
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: with this situation I'm going to fire you. It's like, no, no,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: none of us are upset. We're all like toned down.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: We're sitting in a.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Meeting and it's just like, no, if you keep doing this.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: I have to fire you. I'm not dealing with this.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: There's no there's no reason for this to be dealt with.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: I'm very much just like you are adults. If you
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: can't settle this on your own, then get the fuck
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: out then quick. Okay, all right, So the tough love
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: approach is uh, yeah, that's that's always where I go
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: with Jacob. Yeah, I don't sorry, I don't even know
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: if it's that tough.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just very direct.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: It's just direct it's fixed. Here is the problem, and
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: I expected, I expect it to be fixed. I expect
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: this problem to not exist anymore. If you need something
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: from me, let me know. But I mainly expect this
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: problem to just go away.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Where you've just been life coach to America, walk up
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: to anybody who's in conflict with anybody else and threaten
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: to fire both up. That's right. I'm not going to
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: put up with it a moment.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: I love threatening to fire people that I don't have
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: the ability to fight.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: That is always good.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: It's a flex it is if it's someone you can't fire.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I only say that if I have the
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: authority to. I think that the move in any situation,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: including situations in which you are a customer and you
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: are upset, is to say I expect your resignation by
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: the end of the evening. You just just stare at
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: them like, oh okay, like I don't I don't know
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: if can you do that? Like I expect it well.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: As someone who is on the board of.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: An h way, oh oh yeah, some experience, you have
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: broken up some tea in your time, So what do
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: you do?
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: They need to put cameras in these offices. It would
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: be vision.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: What do you mean they you're on the board?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: Raise, yeah, can sneak I need those meta glasses, is
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: what I told me.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: And I was like, you know what I do. They
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: don't know what those do.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: You don't have an Amazon account. I saw a pair
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: in the wild the other day when I was dressed
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: as a leprecha on A dude walked up and said
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: can I take a picture? And I said okay, and
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: he stared at me and then he walked away and
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: I was like what And he was like, oh, I
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: have the glasses And I was like, oh my god. Yeah,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: this is and on the on the strip, on the strip.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: That feels right. Yeah. So okay, tell us some stories
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: of where you've seen people get into it, and how
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: do you get involved? Do you get involved? So are
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: you the president?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: If I don't have to get involved, By the way,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: I don't get involved ever. First choices, don't even buy
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: watch them punch it out, that's in popcorn.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: If it is not my job to get involved, or
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: if it's not like really affecting me, I don't fucking
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: touch it.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I mean I'll let it go for a minute.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: Because there are some strong personalities and one in particular,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: they will kind of get very their voice gets loud, heated,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: pointing yeah direct you know, at someone else, and they'll
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: raise their voice. They're like starting to try and yell
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: over each other. I just don't like being in that.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: And you know, if I can't avoid it, because now
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: I'm on this damn board, yeah, I I can't avoid it.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: Then when there is like a gap, if they're not
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: just directly talking over each other, I was like, wait, wait, wait,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: they aren't finished, and I just like interject. But usually
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: they respond, which I don't always know if they will,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: but most times, I mean I think every time I've
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: tried it, which hasn't been a whole lot, because.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Usually they've done what they were told.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, one will stop.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: I'm like wait, wait, wait, they weren't done talking, and
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: then they shut up and the next person like finishes.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: They might re escalate a little bit, but it marks
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: the mine.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: You referee a little bit.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you speak directly.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not yelling at you, like I don't know,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: hold on, let me hear what they have say not.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: But like oftentimes, if you if you point out poor
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: behavior to adults, they will rectify that behavior if for
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: no other reason out of shame.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: Awareness and shame has come to the And.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: It also helps when you scream shame, shame, shame, Just
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: shake your fist next most of that, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Or like Whitney at the meetings and have a gavel.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Oh no, one gave her a gavel. She brought it
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: from home.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: Did I didn't tell you all this before I was
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: on the board.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: Whitney looks so happy right now.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: Before I was on the board, one of the guys
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: I was picturing in this like yelling match, who's still
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: on the board. He used to be president and he
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: brought a gavel he brought He's like an eighty year
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: old man. He brought a gavel to those meetings.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: Personally.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: But the girl who like brought me on with her,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: she's like, you have to get on this board because
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: we can all let him stay president.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: You just have to be with me on.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think you bring the gavel. I think it's
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: a sword. I think you gotta have just that broad
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: sword and you just like pounded onto the need.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: The video just played Justice Wyatt ir style six shooter
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: strapped on the hip.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: The peacemaker. You know, you're not pointing to anyone, threaten
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: anyone with it. There just there my coat. That's right,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: that's just a coat. You brush back the coat as
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: arguments happen. You don't grab it, but you brushed back
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: the coat, exposing the handle. And then you just sit
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: there twitching with your fists. There slowly, there is the
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: same thing. I'm here. Hook there is, and that's just
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: my game.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: You tell him I'm coming and coming with me, and
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: that is how we're gonna get those mailboxes should be
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: different shades of time.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Just quoting like the most balls out like lines, oh
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: fuck y, motherfucker.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: No, the most intense moment. Recently, though, we we have
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: a new president the last couple months, and he I
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: like him. He's level headed. He kind of got thrown
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: into it. He's like in his sixties. He's an ex cop,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: but I think he was like ahead of a department,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: like he wasn't just.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: He's like experienced.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: Yes, he's dealt with people, you can tell like, I
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: don't even want to know all the people he's dealt with.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: But man, this the same older gentleman was kind of
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: basically being really cagey about this bank account. He only
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: has access to whatever we see the statements, so you know,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: nothing fishy is going on. But he was like really
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: not relinquishing power. I think that's what was a power
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: and balance.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: But like you said, you're no daisy. You're no daisy
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: at all, y'all.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: I have never all the homeowners had left by this point.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: He just had our executive.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Meeting and you said, say when, and.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: I cannot disc I think you may be the answer.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Christ if you're wondering, if I've looked up a list
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: of tombstone quotes I have.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: This takes more sense.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: Now, Okay, this checks out. He starts he starts walking brave,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: he starts off.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: Calm, but he's like, so and so you need.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: To give the log in to our treasure. He's not
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: to our treasure. You need to give that to her
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: by tomorrow morning. And he's like, well, well, I don't know.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: He's just trying to like beat around the bush and
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: this the President just kind of like stands up and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: he starts laying into this guy.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: It was so it was direct. He wasn't even yelling.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: It was just this intensity that was Yeah, I've never
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: felt that from another human it remind me of like
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: you were being interrogated probably or something like.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I've never been in that situation.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: But he was just like, there is no reason you
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: cannot get those those logins to her by tomorrow morning.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: If you do not, I will.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: Call the FDA blah blah blah, and he goes, I
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: will make sure you are held personally.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know I'm saying that, but you know, business, yeah,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: KFC senator a legit. But I don't remember what the
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: thing was. I was like, you know, I don't He's like,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: I will call him, I will report you. You will
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: be held liable.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: He goes, we are held liable for these funds and
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: we will not be held accountable. And he was just
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: like staring into his soul and I was like, I
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: don't even.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: Like there is a certain power that comes along with
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: like an understanding of what's actually happening and explaining that
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: that reality the knowledge high ground, but.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: Also being able to do so in the calmest way.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: Pop.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's like the only the only that that guy
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: made that I don't like that I wouldn't have done
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: as he stood up.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: You don't even maybe he didn't stand. I don't know it.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Was I lower my chair when I went intimidate. I
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: just slowly. I don't get out.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: Of my chair and then sit down criss cross apples
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: on the floor.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: I just slowly and pull that little button and just deflate.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: And you want to make sure you raise your voice
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: really raise.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: About enough of this ship.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Again to this other person.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 6: Oh cool, you up a little too high there, but
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 6: it but it is very intimidating.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: And that writer is how you de escalate conflicts. Yes, wow,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: you got them all.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: Way to use the tools you learn in here that
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: weren't go to therapy.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: But you know, this is something that I think comes
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: a lot in rehabs. We've seen it a lot because
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of call. They get into conflict all
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: the time, you know, in group I mean they'll they'll
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: get in literal fist fights in programs like this between
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: the staff and the patients, and the patients and the patients,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: sometimes between staff and staff, and so like having to
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: sit down and mitigate conflict between multiple people. It happens
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: a lot. And I think part of it kind of
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: goes back to what Whitney was saying, where it's like
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: sometimes you're just taking the posture of like facilitating a
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: conversation where you're making sure people's thoughts don't get cut
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: off because that always escalates. You're letting people get it
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: all out. And then I think for me, at least,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: I'll constantly jump in and be kind of the tip
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: of that triangle there where you're reframing and summarizing. Yeah,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: I'll give them just the tip where I come in
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: and I'll say, Hey, Jim, is just I think what
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing Whitney say, is this this and this Whitney
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: all tip, no dip. So I'll be like, oh, Whitney,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: is this what I'm hearing you saying? Like, yes, that's
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then I'll pivot over to the
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: other person and be like, Okay, Nick, why don't you
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: give us a reflection on what you're hearing Whitney say?
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: What is your side of this? So like, if you
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: can take the ball and just kind of like summarize
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: and reflect each person's position, you can at least make
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: sure people feel heard and that nobody's allowed to mischaracterize
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: the other and like you're validating while looking for those
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: common ground opportunities. Because then when Nick retorts and says, well, actually,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that, but here's what I'm trying
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: to say. You can reinterpret it as the third wheel
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: there and be like, okay, so you two are actually
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: not as far as apart from this issue as we
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: initially thought. Let me see if we can throw some
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: ideas on the table and like you'll, you'll sit there
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: and try to manage them back into each other. That's
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: how deal with I think, in my opinion, like an
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: active conflict between two people. If you can't fire them both,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: if you have to intervene it all next time. If
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: Nick slowly seduces them, he pulls out his big right
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: cherry lipstick from his purse and he just opens it up.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: It does a little twisty thing, and while you're talking,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: he just sits there and like purses the lips and
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: just round and round until you see.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: Time turned on right now?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: I know, no, I thought I thought Nick could do that.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: Nick, can you not still do the thing where you
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: put the lips down in your cleavage look.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Down at it together? Yeah, get in there, ye, get
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, I get that. And he's got to
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: get party trait. He still got it. Uh, ties the
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: cherry stem while you're talking, but not.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: In his mouth, his mouth, his hand, just looking at
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: you very seductively. Well to tie a cherry stem with
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: his fingers.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: He puts on his glasses first.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, would you like me to tie this cherry stem
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: for you? Watch me while I tie this cherry nick
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: tied up into a bow.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: He doesn't.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: Here you are with a tied cherry stem, and what's
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: this behind your ear?
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: A dime? Known? Need to fight now? Boys?
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: No, my feedback would be to know your audience first
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: of and foremost, because everybody's gonna like you can't have
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: just one way of dealing with conflict and it's gonna
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: work with everybody. So that's one thing I learned in
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: the programs that I that I supervised. The other thing, though, too,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: is like I learned this with working with kids in
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: a rehab is first off, removing them from the environment.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: So separate them. Yeah, if if if you're if they're
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: if they've been going at it for a while and
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: they're just yelling at each other, they're not, You're not
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: going to be able to sit and be like, okay,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: So what I'm hearing you say is this, and what
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: I'm hearing you say because they're not they're going to
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: be talking over each other, so kind of separate them first.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: And then the other thing is I always offer them food.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: Or a beverage, okay, just to kind of interfere.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: Because what No, it's Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Oh, if
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: you can meet one of the basic needs first, okay,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: then it like de escalates everything else. So if I can,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: you know, I feel like I'm in an environment where
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: I'm safe, there's no current threat, so I've got safety,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: I'm no longer hungry, and I'm not thirsty, then you
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: can start dealing with other things.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: I like that, okay.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Also, if you want to go just a touch more
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: like a plus note, that's a as an a idea
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: a plus note the food that you give to make
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: it really like ooey, gooey and sticky, because that it's
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: really hard for them to keep yelling at each other
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: while their mouths are all stuck in like.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: Sticky peanut butter.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: Peanut butter, Yeah, peanut butter.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: This this caramel peanut butter snack that I've got. Yeah,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: That's what I usually do is I'll just take yeah, caramel, yeah,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: with some fudge on the outside.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Dip it in peanut butter. This is a dish of
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: caramel and things.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, feed this to each other and then then to
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: each other.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: The old man Tangent's coming with his were the originals. Again.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: Don't fight. He's always trying to get us eat candy. Guys.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: If you fight in front of Tangent, he gets a
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: real creepy. Not fight in front of Tangent.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: You can't go down a most sella get a popsicle.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: I got a whole sellericles. Well. Anyway, writer, I love
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: how you handled this. I like that you perceived this
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: other person. You took the time just to make them
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: feel heard and show them that you don't just take
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: them for granted, but like to get to know them,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: let them express their woes a little bit, share their challenges.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: That's tremendous and it had a humanizing effect for them.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: They felt closer to you. And then you gave great
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: advice in the ecosystem and said, hey, you know, this
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: guy could use a good pat on the back. Boss.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe let's just do that for right now.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: Don't tell them what's wrong right now just tell them
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: what's right, and it made a huge difference. I mean
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of times people only ever hear from anybody
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: else when something's wrong. It can give them the perception
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: that they don't matter. So great job. I'm glad you
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: learned it from our show, and I'm glad you'll be
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: going to patreon dot com slash therapy and funding the
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: mental health content. Well three dollars a month you can
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: help keep this show on the air. Yeah, and for
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: as much as one hundred you can buy all the
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: sponsorship spots and just harass that first writer about their dad.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, this show can be a force for evil
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: if you're willing to pay for it. That's right. We're
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: not above it. But anyway, price as we wrap up
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: the show. Wait no, that's not it. We're to take
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: quick break and when we come back, we are going
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: to wrap up the show. You are listening to pod therapy.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: Today's episode is brought to you by s Mason Miller,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: Test Miller Filer, t Paris, Monico, Oscra, Swanrose, Hannah, Marie,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: Emma Kay and Myra and Sam Cone. And if you'd
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: like to sponsor the show, become a thera producer patreon
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: dot com.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Last question for the room, everybody gets to pick an answer.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: What do you call it when someone correctly predicts every
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: single game in their bracket? Is it called impossible? A
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: perfect bracket, a golden bracket, a clean sweep, or a
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: royal flush perfect golden clean sweep or royal flush perfect
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: perfect perfect going, perfect clean sweep. The correct answer is
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: a perfect bracket. The odds of actually doing it are
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: roughly one in nine point two quinn trillion.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: As of today, as of today, our recording day. Today,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: I saw on ESPN they had one bracket left on
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: their whole site. Out of all thousands of thousands that
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: got submitted, there's one left that has the potential of
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: being perfect. Right, yeah, oh, usually the first day, usually
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: all the brackets are gone. Like the possibility of a
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: perfect bracket on like Yahoo and ESPN all that stuff,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: it's usually gone on day one.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: That's crazy goodness.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: That's what I would do with my time machine.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, go back and get it. I remember warm Buffett
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: was offering a lot of money if you got a
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: perfect bracket at one point.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course you could. I could offer a
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: lot of money too, Yeah.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not. As you wrap up the show, I
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: want to remind you you can sign up at patreon
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: dot com slash Therapy. You can get our extended show
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: ad free a day earlier, so well as enjoy our
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: live chat, discord community and our deep dives, interviews, skill shares,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: research roundups and ants. And I've got some new friends
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: who've joined us at the therap party. Who's new at
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: patreon dot com slash therapy, Nick. We got a new therapal,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Zachariah Barry and a new therapod, mister beat Boop beep
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: boo boo.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: I've heard beat Boop maybe a robot in disguise.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: So an AI patriots.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: Will fine with it as long as the check clears.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: But that robot is also not Kiera Knightley. Yeah, so
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: robo Natalie Portman is high. I don't know that, okay.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: And we'd like to think the benevolent, revered, generous, and
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: flagrantly pro therapy Diehard who loves you all so much
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: they give till it hurts our therap partner, Picketto, And
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: we want to thank our bosses, the mysterious and shrouded
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: Illuminati members of the fan club, the therap producers, Thank you,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Jake Schneider, Myra, Robert Brownie, Junior, Mint, Smitty Scoop, Richard
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Fucking Macy, Jody Schneider, Malia, Leon Cassab Carol and Albert,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Kevin Chamberlain, Tess Miller, Dan Martin, Sammy Scoop, Slyerpikai A Motherfucker,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Ben Stanley, Slapping your face, Sarah Smith, Adam Hathaway, biler Tea,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: Mike helm Oscar Swan, Rose, paris A Sunny Boy, Darren Cunningham,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: Lib Nope, Sandra mcwaffle Team, Monaco, Thunder Cougar, Falcon, Scoop, Hey,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: o Anna, Marie Hanne, Marie Nailed It, Andrew Langmead, Emma
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: Tonka and Pony Soprano, Alina Brady, Malaychick Chick, fil Atio
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: Gabriel Dame, Sean Sutherland, max A Gender, Scoop, Chad mag
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: Adam Wore and Incle Le Prince, Sam Cone, Bgay, Do Crimes,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: Eli O dare Not, Kira Knightley and Amy Ardvark.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: If you'd like to hear this episode uncut in unedited,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: why wouldn't you, and enjoy our spontaneous side projects, go
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: to Patreon dot com slash therapy and thank you for
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: supporting mental health.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Well that's all the time we got for this week's session.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: I want to thank our landlords, SJA and the Ruckus
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: Scenic Coy Pond Studio. And thanks to those of you
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: contributed to.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Our show today. We really appreciate it. But remember pod
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: therapy isn't something you should keep all of yourself. Shared
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: the episode with the world, tag us on the socials.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: When you do it's add pod therapy guys on Instagram,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: threads and Twitter at slash pod therapy on Facebook, and
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: don't forget about all the extra goodies at patreon dot com.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: Slash therapy doing him spit a question of the show,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: you can ask anonymously pot Therapy dome Net, email us
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: the pot Therapy guys at gmail dot com, or click
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: the link in the episode description to be taken to
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: anonymous Google form. There is nothing that will make me dance.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: On this show.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: I'm Whitney, I'm Jim.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: Thanks, we'll see if you're pointing there we go.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: The drinking dicks drinks take no time to
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Goodbye America and the rest of you dis