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The Favorites - NFL Free Agency with Chris Raybon · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three
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  Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman of the Action Network. I'm live
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  Speaker 2: How are we doing?
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  Speaker 1: We are so good right now because there has been
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  Speaker 1: a lot of activity around the Chicago Bears during the
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  Speaker 1: trade season, the free agency season. I feel like the
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  Speaker 1: Bears have put themselves in a position to be very competitive.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to dig in on that. Plus whatever whatever
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  Speaker 1: team you root for and whatever they've been doing, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, they don't really tend to make any noise
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  Speaker 1: during the offseason, be as strategic as a team like
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  Speaker 1: the Bears. So we can dig in on that and
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  Speaker 1: everything else that's happening in the NFL with He may
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  Speaker 1: be one of our top five favorite colleagues at the
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  Speaker 1: He joins us for Convince Me on Sundays during the
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  Speaker 1: I am too, Obviously. I love Chicago's It truly is
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. I feel like we're
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  Speaker 1: making Ray Bun jealous. He might want to come. Fellas. Look,
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  Speaker 1: it has been crazy. Dk Metcalf going to the Steelers,
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  Speaker 1: Justin Fields going to the Jets, Sam Darnold going to Seattle,
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  Speaker 1: Gino Smith going to the Raiders, Daniel Jones going to
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  Speaker 1: the Colts. You know, Stafford is staying in La DeVante,
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  Speaker 1: Adams is going to La The Eagles have been offloading
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  Speaker 1: the Josh Allen extension. All of this, all this has
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  Speaker 1: been happened, right, Raybell, let me start with you the
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  Speaker 1: top two free agent signings slash trades people are not
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  Speaker 1: talking enough about and why.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's I think you got to start with
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  Speaker 3: the team that lost the Super Bowl to Kansas City
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  Speaker 3: Chiefs signing Javid Moore to play presumably their left tackle position.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we saw all the issues that they had
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  Speaker 3: going up against that Eagles pass rush, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: then they end up losing Joe Toney they trade him,
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  Speaker 3: so they kind of made a bet, you know, on
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  Speaker 3: their under two interior linemen and uh Moore, who's who
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  Speaker 3: played really well like last year, there was really no
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  Speaker 3: drop off last couple of years when he subbed in
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  Speaker 3: for Trent Williams and San Francisco. So if they can,
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  Speaker 3: if he can keep that up, that would solve just
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  Speaker 3: a major issue. Uh for the Kansas City Chiefs. That
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  Speaker 3: was probably the difference between them, uh, you know, being
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  Speaker 3: in position at least keeping it a game in in
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  Speaker 3: that three pat and not and then and kind of
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  Speaker 3: a related situation, I would say, like another one is
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  Speaker 3: Laramie Tunseel getting traded to the Washington Commanders. You know,
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  Speaker 3: as good as Jaden Daniels can move around. They're still
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  Speaker 3: in the division with the Eagles. But the Eagles lost
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  Speaker 3: some guys on their defensive line, so that kind of
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  Speaker 3: tilts the power a little bit too. So I thought
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  Speaker 3: those two those two moves offensive line, no you know, no,
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  Speaker 3: no sexy wide receivers, quarterbacks going straight to the offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting obviously, Simon, you and I talk
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  Speaker 1: about offensive line and defensive line being so powerful when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to looking at these teams, handicapping these teams,
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  Speaker 1: what did you see raybon in More? You say there
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  Speaker 1: was no drop off from Trent Williams. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: the Niners went five deep at running back this year, right.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed like every single week one of their guys
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  Speaker 1: was getting hurt. And I think it was who was
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  Speaker 1: the guy Isaac Gudiera Rundow from U c ol A,
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  Speaker 1: Like even he was like in that running scheme doing
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  Speaker 1: amazingly well. What was so good about More? That makes
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  Speaker 1: you feel like there wasn't a drop off? What did
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  Speaker 1: you see? What were the numbers?
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  Speaker 3: So the way I'll put it is, let's think of
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  Speaker 3: a team that has a really good offensive line, the
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  Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles. We know how good they can run right.
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  Speaker 3: But and Simon could attest to this. When they brought
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  Speaker 3: in Johnson like the other Johnson for for a couple
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  Speaker 3: of games at tackle, uh, you know, he couldn't. He
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  Speaker 3: was not playing well at all. Whereas when you looked
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  Speaker 3: at More like I was kind of knocking down San
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  Speaker 3: Francisco's run game each and every week, I was, I was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, upping their pressure rate, and it really just
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  Speaker 3: didn't happen. Over the past two seasons, he's played about
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  Speaker 3: uh five hundred total snaps and that's that's really the
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  Speaker 3: question mark, but only two sacks allowed for more only
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  Speaker 3: in his entire career on about one thousand total snaps.
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  Speaker 3: And the big thing is he can He's a swing tackle,
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  Speaker 3: but mostly left tackle, so I think that's really important.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that left tackle spot, which is so crucial
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  Speaker 3: for the Chiefs. And then because you lost Tuning, now
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  Speaker 3: you don't even have that, oh traded, you don't have
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  Speaker 3: that option, So they're making it a big bet on More.
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  Speaker 3: His His PFF pass blot grade has gone up each
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  Speaker 3: of the last three seasons. He was a seventy three
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  Speaker 3: point one last year, which is very very good. And
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  Speaker 3: I just think that if he plays like he played
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  Speaker 3: especially last year in kind of abbreviated snaps, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with under three hundred snaps. I just think that's a
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  Speaker 3: huge upgrade for the Chiefs because they had that dominant
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  Speaker 3: interior line with Joe Tuney, you know, Jones and Humphrey
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  Speaker 3: and they, I mean, excusey, Trey Smith and Humphrey and
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  Speaker 3: they really it didn't it didn't show through like you had.
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  Speaker 3: Your running game was really struggling down the stretch, especially
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  Speaker 3: for Checho and against good pass rushes. Mahomes was still
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  Speaker 3: getting sacked and being forced into bad decisions. So it's
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  Speaker 3: obvious that that tackle spot is huge for the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 3: So they kind of made a bet on that. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the money's getting a little bit tighter, even though the
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  Speaker 3: cap has risen just because of you know what they're
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  Speaker 3: paying to some of their stars. So I just think
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  Speaker 3: that's going to be such a big move. And it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't go right, they'll probably be in trouble some men.
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  Speaker 1: It's an annual tradition. People will forget about the Chiefs,
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  Speaker 1: people will not want to bet on the Chiefs. People
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  Speaker 1: will overlook the Chiefs. Even though the Chiefs are seven
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  Speaker 1: to one right now after the Eagles to win the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl plus seven hundred along with the Ravens just
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  Speaker 1: ahead of the Bills. Do you agree with this idea
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  Speaker 1: from Raybon?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I like in the sense that I think, just
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  Speaker 2: like most years, will be able to get great value
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  Speaker 2: on the Chiefs when we bet them in October to
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  Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl, that this soil Lion's gonna need
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  Speaker 2: some time to get it together. They'll drop one or
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  Speaker 2: two games, maybe lose a game to the Raiders in
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  Speaker 2: week two. Everyone jumps off ship. Me and you, Chad,
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  Speaker 2: always the wiser, will just passionately wait and get them
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  Speaker 2: at what twelve to one, thirteen to one? That's usually
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  Speaker 2: how it goes. But yeah, for me, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: love the off season these moves because it is the classic.
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  Speaker 2: One man's trash is another man's treasure, and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of these moves are just trash to trash. Right. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: are the Jets the Jets really get better by getting
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  Speaker 2: justin fields? No, those fans have been through hell. They're
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  Speaker 2: excited about it because they're going from an old forty
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  Speaker 2: year old man to a young great athlete in his twenties,
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  Speaker 2: and they're hoping that maybe they can find a spark
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  Speaker 2: with Justin Fields and this team. So it's really fun
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  Speaker 2: this time of the year. And for me, it's all
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  Speaker 2: about the betting angle, right, Chad, And that's what this
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  Speaker 2: show is about. And you know, a week ago I
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  Speaker 2: gave out I Love the Rams twenty eight to one.
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  Speaker 2: They go out get divine. The Adams. Forty nine ers
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  Speaker 2: have just basically getting all the guys off the ship.
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  Speaker 2: They're just cutting all the old guys trying to get young.
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  Speaker 2: The Rams are now twenty to one for Super Bowl odds,
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  Speaker 2: so that's a big movement based off what the forty
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  Speaker 2: nine ers have done and what the Rams themselves have done.
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  Speaker 2: So that's to me, that's great because I love you know,
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  Speaker 2: I just love getting good value and it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we got a great number on the Rams, and it's
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  Speaker 2: keep going. I think it's gonna keep dropping because I
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  Speaker 2: don't know who's going to be betting the forty nine
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  Speaker 2: ers better than professional betters. Right. The public to me
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  Speaker 2: is going to be totally off this fort ninners team,
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  Speaker 2: just because I think anyone, anyone rationally would think they'd
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  Speaker 2: miss their window. Right, they're getting rid of they're all
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  Speaker 2: pro full back. They're getting rid of Deebo, which you
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  Speaker 2: can say Deebo has kind of missed it, that's fair,
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  Speaker 2: but he's still an important cock to their offense. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: it is all on Ayuk and a second year player
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  Speaker 2: and a wide receiver. So it's it's really interesting what's
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  Speaker 2: happening with these two teams and the Rams of fort niners,
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  Speaker 2: because all you're hearing right now with the forty nine
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  Speaker 2: ers is that they're gonna have to pay party and
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  Speaker 2: they're fighting behind because pretty saying I think I'm an elite,
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  Speaker 2: and they're saying, well, the talent around you elite, we
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  Speaker 2: don't think you are, so we're not going to pay
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  Speaker 2: you fifty million dollars. So is that a lot of
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  Speaker 2: drama chat has got carry into the season Because I
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  Speaker 2: know you are in on the forty nine ers, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not right, I like the Rams side of it. So
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  Speaker 2: I think those are two very very unique teams where
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  Speaker 2: everything feels like it's been negative this offseason for the
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  Speaker 2: forty nine ers, where things have been really positive for
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  Speaker 2: this Rams team, and then you know, to go to
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  Speaker 2: your Bears team. I mean, I know you were just
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  Speaker 2: pointing to talk about it. I can't get over it.
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  Speaker 2: Like the fact they address the interior line in such
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  Speaker 2: a great way right getting the best center that was available.
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  Speaker 2: Addressing the left guard and right guard we talked about
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  Speaker 2: last year. I told you I think interior now on
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  Speaker 2: the offensive line is more important to the next year here.
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  Speaker 2: I really think there's been a switch to the NFL
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  Speaker 2: where it's more important to having a really good left
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  Speaker 2: guard and right guard than is a left tackle and
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  Speaker 2: right tackle. Even more so with an offense like you, Chad,
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  Speaker 2: where Caleb he can he can mess up when there's
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  Speaker 2: rush up the middle if he gets pushed the outside.
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  Speaker 2: That's where we've seen the magical Kala limbs like his
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  Speaker 2: His movement on the outside once you get side the
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  Speaker 2: pocket's brilliant. It's inside the pocket that's been a struggle
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  Speaker 2: for him. Right when he gets that Perchu up the
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  Speaker 2: middle and he gets happy feet, that's been a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson came in day one and went to your
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  Speaker 2: GM and told him that's what I want to do.
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  Speaker 2: So I love it because this year has been different
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  Speaker 2: than lat year. Last year was all about Derrick, Henry
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  Speaker 2: Saquan right, these sexy running backs, trying to add them
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  Speaker 2: to a team that's missing one piece. For this year,
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  Speaker 2: it really feels like it's been not just boring, but
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  Speaker 2: more about address the interior offensive line, addressed the D
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  Speaker 2: line because of what the Eagles did in the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 2: where we have a little bit of mixed sprinkedin of
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  Speaker 2: DK and you know Adams, he's ever want to receiver
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  Speaker 2: switching teams. But to me, this offseason has really been
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  Speaker 2: about addressing these teams D lines and offensive line. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm loving every move the Bear's team has made so far.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I'm glad you brought it up. I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: going to open ye.
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  Speaker 2: I bet you are.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to be the homer.
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  Speaker 2: You kn't deny it. It's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I love I love that Ray runs. Two top
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  Speaker 1: plays were offensive tackles. I love that one of your
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  Speaker 1: key points is talking interior line. I agree with you,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with you. Because of what we
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  Speaker 1: saw with Caleb Williams. Most obviously, teams are trying to
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  Speaker 1: play their young quarterbacks as quickly as possible. The biggest
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  Speaker 1: challenge for young quarterbacks is when they get pressure up
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  Speaker 1: the middle, When they have pressure in their face and
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  Speaker 1: they have to run to the edge, but they might
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  Speaker 1: not have time because it's so overwhelming to have three
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  Speaker 1: guys coming at you from the middle of the off
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  Speaker 1: from the middle of the defensive line who are so
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  Speaker 1: much faster than you are used to when you've been
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  Speaker 1: playing in college. You can't get to the edge, so
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  Speaker 1: you just keep running backwards. Right. We saw this with
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. Everything you just said is true before we
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  Speaker 1: get to the Bears. My quibble with what you're saying
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  Speaker 1: about the Niners is deebo is gone. Fine, he was
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  Speaker 1: trending down. Brandon I Luke is back. He was the
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  Speaker 1: primary target for brock Purty anyways, So it's a wash. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You might lose some something, you know, because you're losing
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  Speaker 1: a high profile fullback who was an important part of
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  Speaker 1: your scheme. But you're going to get back Christian McCaffrey,
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  Speaker 1: so you're getting back to your most important playmakers, and
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  Speaker 1: you're still going to have Kittle at tight end. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't worry so much about the Niners. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I might buy into the Niners again if their odds drop,
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  Speaker 1: because I think you might still be getting value on
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  Speaker 1: there now. For the Bears, the number one play for me,
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  Speaker 1: Drew Dolmen signing the center from the Falcons sign in
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  Speaker 1: how many times over the past two years, whether it
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  Speaker 1: was Arthur Smith or the new scheme that the Falcons
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  Speaker 1: were running, did we talk about Drew Dolmen at Chris
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  Speaker 1: Linstrom the right guard for the Falcons. They were so
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  Speaker 1: dominant when you look at Raybound talks about their PFF grades, right,
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  Speaker 1: the PFF grades. Lyn Trim and Dolman were so highly
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  Speaker 1: rated by PFF over the past couple of seasons because
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  Speaker 1: of their ability to control the line of scrimmage and
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  Speaker 1: create a scheme that allows the Falcons to be so
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  Speaker 1: effective in the running game. I can't believe the Bears
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  Speaker 1: now have Joe Toney and Drew Dolman as part of
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  Speaker 1: their interior line. Jonah Jackson, I think the jury's out.
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  Speaker 1: Is he going to be a Pro Bowl player? Is
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: going to be a guy who's sort of off the
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: roster last year essentially for the Rams? I don't know.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: But Drew Dolman, Joe Toney, that's I mean.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: And so we backed up a truck for Grady Jarrett.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: We got a grown ass man now playing in the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: middle of the defensive line like Holy Tomley, go ahead, Oh.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I was just going to piggyback off. What you're saying
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: is that it's year one of what you expect to
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: be two to three years of the right direction, right,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Like this is just the beginning. We don't want to
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: get too far ahead of our skis, like Nick Wright
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and pick the Bears go to super Bowl this season.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: But it's it's you can't deny it, right, These are
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: the exact moves you wanted to see, right. You didn't
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: want to see them go get another wide receiver. You
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: didn't want to see them go out and sign you know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: as much as I love Milon Williams, his contract's atrocious, Like,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: no one should be paying million Williams the amount of
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: money he just received from the Patriots. Like that's the
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: type of move that you guys could have made and
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: been like, okay, same old Bears, just trying to make
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: a splash, But no, it's all logical, smart And I'm
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: sure Chris feels the same way, where it's like, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: we like to shit on you and your Bears, Dad,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: It's it's hard to shit on them this offseason where
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: they've really nailed it at this point.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about Kayler Williams now. Like you know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: last year there was a lot of optimism too, but
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: the team, you know, to your points, I mean, it
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: was just not quite built the right way. It was
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: too many flashy, like fantasy video game type moves where
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: you know, the wide receiving called it great, but you
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: got a rookie quarterback, you know, not great coaches. So
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: it really comes down to Caleb because I think I
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: think we know what Ben Johnson is offensively. Now he
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: could turn. Maybe he's one of those coaches that when
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: he gets more responsibilities, you might struggle in certain aspects.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: But I think ultimately Caleb Williams at times was really
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: bad last year and at other times he was really good.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: So this year he's gonna have no excuse with what
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: they put around him offensively in terms of the coaching
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: staff and the offensive line.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Well, look, you could have looked at it a couple
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: different ways. The Bears last year decided we can't do
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: all of it at once. We went after the talent
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: that we thought was available. They re signed DJ Moore.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: He came on at certain points at the end of
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the year, started to get more comfortable. They went after
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Keenan Allen. He probably won't be with the team this year.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: They drafted Roma Dunes, right, they went after sort of
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the best players that were available at the time, didn't
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: overspend on the offensive line. They kept the Refluse. Everybody
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: thought that was a mistake, but maybe I don't think
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: they were get you know, they were playing three D
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: chess here and thinking, Okay, we're going to keep Eberflues
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: because he's only gonna last one more year and then
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get Ben Johnson. You don't want to waste
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: a year at Kayleb Williams. They did the best they
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: could in the second year. They're being very focused on
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the offensive line. Before we came on the air, we
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: were joking about like inept teams. The Cowboys have had
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: an inept unremarkable, questionable, head scratching offseason where for the
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: umpteenth year in a row, they are not spending, They're
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: not willing to sign players. Rico Dowdell just signed a
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: new deal with another team, one year, three million. He's
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: going to be better than any running back the Cowboys
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: are putting money on and they could have had him
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: for nothing. Right, The Bears have historically been a team
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: that would not go all in on coaches. They went
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: all in on Ben Johnson, they have gone all in
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: on Grady jar they have gone all in Andrew domand
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: they have. You can't say the Bears are not spending
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: this year. I'm as shot as anybody. I think it's amazing,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: just amazing. But this will not be the year, Simon.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Will not be the year like two years ago where
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I overinvest in the Chicago Bears like we did with
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Justin Fields. Let's talk about fields for a second. The
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: NFL is kind of about one thing right now. As
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: dynamic as a player can be at the quarterback position,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: if he can't convert the easy throws on third down,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: if you can't rely on the quarterback to execute in
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the four or five times a game when he has
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to make the throw, you can't have a winning team.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: If we talk about free agent signings and trades, people
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: are talking too much about but won't matter. Justin Fields
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: to the Jets for me, is right at the top
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of the list. Simon, agree or disagree, you have an
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: opposing view. Do you have another one to add to this?
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I'll disagree in a sense that I just believe in
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks and taking the upside, and it doesn't matter what
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: they've done other places. We've learned now over the years
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: that the hope is you find the Baker Sam Darnold
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: type of year right, You're always gonna believe that if
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I have the right coaching, put the right pieces around
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: these guys, that we can make this work. Right, Because
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: there's a reason that Justin Fields was a top pick, right.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Athleticism is off the charts. It's just what you talked
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: about his checkdown passes, Like when it's when he's gotting
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: a little pressure in his face, he can't complete a
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: four yard pass. That's a major issue. Like you're saying,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: there's a reason he's not a start in the league.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: It's basically that. It's pretty simple. He comes down to it.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: That's really the issue with him. And you know, when
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I'm breaking this down and looking at his film and
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: why the Jets are making this move, they have a
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: vision for it. They have a vision for what they're
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: going to do. Now I'm on the other side where
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I think they might be one of the worst teams
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: in all football, this Jets team. So the fact they're
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: making this move giving him a two year deal. Baby.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: In their mind, they're just like, well, good, we'll get
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: a high draft pick next year and go get our
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: quarterback for real, and then we'll just have him next
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: year on the one year deal and he can be
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: a nice little bridge gap quarterback. Because I'm in the
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: same camp as you chat where it's like when you
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: look at their division right now, they're in fourth, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: it's it feels like by a lot right they're they're
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: way behind Josh Allen Tua and now the hope is
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Drake May ticks that next step. So yeah, for me
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: and you, I feel like it's gonna be pretty easy
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: bet taking their under. This Jets team and just everything
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: they've done this offseason is just like could it happen?
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: We saw it happened last year the Viking. Sure, anything
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: can happen in football. Sam Darnal could have a career year,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: justin Fields could come come out have a career year.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I bet you he doesn't, and I'm willing to put
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: money on it. So that's it's pretty interesting. That was
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: their big move. And the Jets fans are happy, but
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: you know, they're just like Cowboys fans, man, They're just
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: they've been through it, like you know, the Cowboys, like
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: you just started like talking about how bad they've been
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and how they haven't really done anything in this offseason.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, that's stat. Washington made it last
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: last year. Washington made it to the conference championship game.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: The Cowboys only team the NFC that have not been
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the conference championship game in like thirty years. That doesn't
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: even sound real if you're a fan of football or
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: fan just how dominant they were in the nineties. So yeah,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I get why their fans are pissed off, and I'm
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: honestly shocked that it's not talked about more in media
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: right now about how the Cowboys are just everything they're
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: doing is wrong, right, not signing Michael Parsons before all
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: these other dns just got paid big money. Everything I
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: do is just wrong. So yeah, I'm right there with
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: you where it's like, you know, the Justin Fields thing
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: not doesn't move the needle for me, But I get
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: why they did it because it's like, what else are
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: you gonna do? There's that's that's the problem with this
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: league is only thirty two quarterbacks, and we choke, We
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: joke all the time chat. You don't want that bottom
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: ten quarterbacks. They're all the same, they're all interchangeable. So yeah,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: really really tough spot for the Jets, But there is
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: some upside in the play, so I get where they're
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: doing it.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Ray Bond, you're shaking your head affirmatively. I should note
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: when Simon is saying the Jets may one of the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: worst teams.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, and this extends to really I would
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: say you're asking just more generally, what is the the
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: signing or signings that people were talking too much about.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: That's not gonna mean anything. I think it's just all
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: this veteran quarterback musical chairs. I think the most important
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: quarterback went to the most important place he could be,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: and that was Matthew Stafford staying with the Rams because
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: we already saw that he can win a Super Bowl
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: at this stage in his career. With this general iteration
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: of the Rams, you know, that's that's that's what we've seen.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: So everyone else, you know, Raiders getting Geno Smith, I'm
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: gonna fade them, the Seahawks getting Sam Darnold, Gonna fade them,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Jets getting Justin Fields, gonna fade them. Who else I'm
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: leaving out you know, like where Aaron.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Rodgers Daniel Jones.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, they need Daniel Jones is like
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: statistically anyway, it's hilarious. He was just so much better
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: of a thrower of the football than Anthony Richardson last
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: year that it's comical. But yeah, just another example of
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: like this year. Simon kind of alluded to it earlier.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: You know, like quarterback is the most important position, you
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: know in terms of betting and the points right and
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: all that, but it seemed like last year the most
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: important move was moves were running backs. We saw the
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Ravens and you know, competing for a title with Henry
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: and then of course Saquon and the Eagles end up
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: winning it. And this year just it's like all these
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: quarterback musical chairs and nothing really moves the needle. Like
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: even wherever Aaron Rodgers goes to me doesn't really move
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: the needle because all the teams that are the true contenders,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: and and our guy evn Abrams talks about this all
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the time, like if you kind of looked about about
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: twelve to one, it's where the cutoff is if you
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: can't get to that twelve one spot in terms of
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl odds. By the time the season starts, you're
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: pretty much out of the running. And Burrow is probably
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: the quarterback that didn't make it last year that's in
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the running. But Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, we know the
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: guys Hurts Lamar like these teams, the teams that are
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: gonna contend to have a quarterback, the Rams are are
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: going to be there, I think, and all these other
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: guys just doesn't mean much. And I don't think this
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: rookie class is particularly strong either, So all you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: everyone wants to talk about quarterbacks, and you know, even
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Metcalf to the Steelers because that's kind of quarterback adjacent
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: where great, it's like they have they have they always
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: are going to have a high floor, and maybe that
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: rais are ceiling a little bit. But you know, Seahawks
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: win one ten games with with with good receivers last
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: year and a mediocre quarterback and didn't even couldn't even
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: make the playoffs. And the Steers are in a competitive
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: division as well. So I just think all these quarterback
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: moves get talked about a little too much, and I
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: don't really think are going to change who we see
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: in that in that final four.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Could not agree more. The Steelers interesting though, because like,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: if it's not going to be Aaron Rodgers and Raybon,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: You've been writing for seven years that Aaron Rodgers was
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: on the down side of his career and using really
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: thoughtful stats and analysis to back it up. We saw
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of it last year. I think a lot
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: of people are going to be enamored with a three
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: four game stretch where all of a sudden he looked healthy,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was getting a little bit better production, you know,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: with the four or five times they saw him make
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the exact throw that only Aaron Rodgers can make, and
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's going to pair with Mike
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Tomlin and hit dk Metcalf down the field, and that's
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: going to be the difference. I'm not saying it. Yeah,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: just not a thing. It's not a thing. It's not
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: a thing. Signon, it's not a thing.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I like to move though for them, And you know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: we'll give some flowers to our guy Peter King, where
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I told you two months ago, Peter King said that
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: he thought Rogers was going to go to the Steelers,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and it's like, clearly the Steelers have been putting out
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: there they like him that long ago. For Peter King,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: who doesn't say much in the media, to come out
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: and say that, so you know, that was a big
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: deal to me. I think it's another spot of yeah,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: they're not gonna win a super Bowl because of it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: But I feel like Christi has nailed it, Like we're
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: not betting the under on their win total this year,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Like that's the exact quarterback they get in there to
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: get to somehow get the nine or ten wins. Like
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: this is the perfect match for them, and if he
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't go there, it sucks for them because they're probably
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: still going to get to the seven wins somehow. It
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter who the quarterback is going to be, even
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: if it's you know, Mason Rudolph, whoever they bring in there.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: But it's a Tomlin magic man. It's just crazy how
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: he can just take trash and make it work. It's
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: the same reason Russell Wilson is radioactive right now. No
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: one signed him, right no one. No one actually believes it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: No one understands how that man won so many games
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: that Steelers team last year. It's all part of that
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Steelers of magic. So yeah, going back to these different
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: teams and how they run their organization. There's just some
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: teams shad they're just dumb and they overthink. I mean,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: the biggest one that jumps out to me has to
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: be the Giants. Right this offseason, Giants just sign Slayton,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: a wide receiver two to thirty nine to thirty eight
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: million dollars three years, thirty eight million. That's the same
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: amount they passed on paying Saquon the year before. So
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: it's like, none of these things make sense when you
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: really break it down to its core, because these teams
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: just overthink stuff. And like we talk of the time,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the salar cap is just going to keep going up.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: So people will be like, did you say how much
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: so and so got paid? Yeah, it looks stupid on paper,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: but it's like the salard cap just keeps going up.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: That's why you know, as an Eagles fan, I think
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: this is the first off season of my life that
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: we are the team that is just losing people left
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: and right while not bringing anybody in. And honestly, it's
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: the greatest feeling in the world. It's like, holy shit,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: we are the best, one of the best drafting teams
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: in football. That all we're so good. All we can
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: do is sign our own guys and we have to
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: let other guys walk. Where Even last year, our two
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: super Bowl winning moves were Zach Brawn and Sakuon Barkley,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: two free agent signings at this time of year. So
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to me, that's for a lot of teams out there
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: where like you know, we pooh pooh f agent signings.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Shit does matter if you have the right GM and
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: making the right moves. These are the type of things
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: that can set you up for Super Bowl. But on
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: the flip side, you can set your team back four
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: or five years in a really bad fregency move where
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you're spending all this money like Tennessee last year. Think
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: of Tennessee. They spent all that money chat just to
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: be the number one pick. It's just that's what's so
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: brutal about this time of year. It's like, I don't
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: want to shit on everyone's team. They're sharing teams. You
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: look at side at it, You're just like, man, this
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: is they're gonna be the exact same spot four or
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: five years, cutting these guys on these big contracts, and
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: it's just it's just bad money spending. So I don't
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: know how you view it. But I'm of that mentality
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: of there's some teams that are nailing it, like the Bears,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: and there's other teams who are just like this team
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: is going to be spending their tires for another three
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: four years, like New Orleans Saints and a couple of
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: other teams.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: It's clear you and I talked about this a couple
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago. It's clear there are franchises you just
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: don't want to be a fan of right now. The Saints,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the Browns, the Titans, like, these are teams that are flailing.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: They don't know what they're doing. They don't have the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: personnel in their executive suites to be making indecisions to
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: help put them in a position to be successful five
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: years down the road. Howie Roseman, I feel like he
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: is sitting in his office in Philadelphia. He's looking at
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: his board and feeling so good about the position he
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: has put his team in because, yeah, they've lost CJ. Gardner, Johnson,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: they are losing Milton Williams, but he has loaded his
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: defensive line, he has loaded is defensive backfield. He's got
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Cooper dejen right, He's got Quinja and Mitchell Like he
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: has made such good moves and he's probably looking at
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: this thinking, I know how to draft, I know what
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for in a player. I will be able
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: to backfill these roles as people price themselves out and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: get their big, mega deals elsewhere, and we will be
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: totally fine. I feel like the Eagles are flying high.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't hesitate either, which I give tons ahead
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: of credit to Howie where he paid the guys were
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: other teams like the Bengals, I mean talk about disaster
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: right like they didn't. They couldn't get the deal with
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: them Don last year. Chase Now it's gonna be another
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: extra twenty thirty million, top whatever he was asking last year.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: T Higgins. I don't even think whatever they throwed him,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna walk regardless. He fucking hates the Bengals,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: like the fact they tagged him again and someone put
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: up a great stat of Joe Burrow and Hurts got
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: a contract in the same offseason. The Eagles have spent
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: like three hundred million since then on players to resign
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: to their team. The Bengals have spent like twenty thirty million.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: So it just shows you how stupid these franchise can be.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Where you know, you just need to make the money work.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: But I'm with you in the sense that you know
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: obviously how he's nailing this offseason. But you know, we
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: talk all the time. There's moves that teams make that
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: are terrible, Like we we had a couple signings last
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: year of guys that we're paying twenty million dollars to
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: that never touched the field for us. And that's just
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: how it is. Right, You're not always gonna nail. You
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: don't win them all exactly, and I think it's probabilistic,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and people get too obsessed with the misses where it's like,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: on your team, success is making the playoffs. I know
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: people don't want to hear that, but it really is.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I know, it's like why I want more. Right, if
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: you're you're a fan of the Bills and Josh Allen,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: you're like, take the MVP. I could give two shits
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: about winning the MVP. I won a Super Bowl, Like,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I get that perspective, but take a deep breath, you
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: could be the fucking Jets. So that's what I always
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: try to tell people, where it's like, yeah, you want
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl. The Bill is of course
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: you want to be nothing around for thirty forty years,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Like you want people still talking about Joe fucking Nameth. No,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Like that's literally living in hell. So that's why I
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: always try to have perspective of this where it's like,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: you know, this this Bill's team. You know, they had
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: a couple moves this offseason that you were like, I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing. Then they come and they
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: signed that contract with Josh Allen. You're like, that's why
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: they're a great organization, right, they got Josh Alla, would
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: take a great deal, left some money on the table
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: to go get other guys, And it's like, that's what
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: great teams do. They don't give Dak Prescott sixty five
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: million dollars at the last minute to come play for them.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: So it's like you really are seeing which teams are
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: going to keep going up and which teams just feel
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: like they're going to keep going down. And that's that's
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the most interesting part of the offseason. You kind kind
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: of see they're right on the wall at.
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  Speaker 1: what are you laughing at?
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• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's right. I didn't see that so Ray, But
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I want your take on this. Simon just said there
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: are teams that the goal is to make the playoffs,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: and that there are teams that are perennial perennially pathetic,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: like the Jets, and teams like the Bills who your
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: goal is to win the title. At what point does
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: your feeling as a fan that making the playoffs is
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the right thing start to wear thin? I e a
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: lot of blowback on the Steelers right now. Is it
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: enough to just consistently be good and make the playoffs?
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: They want more? Or are the expectations too high? When
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: is it time to blow it up? And are the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Steelers there?
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: We think no? So I think the thing that people
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: don't get and it's frustrating as a fan when your
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: team is kind of stuck in that you know, quote
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: unquote purgatory, but it's really like the upper class purgatory
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: if you're just making the playoffs every year or finishing
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: with a five hundred or better record. I think with
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: the Steelers, it's just really come down to they haven't
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: had the quarterback and you're not going to You're not.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: You could win it because of other guys, but not
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: without a quarterback, you know, Like the Eagles got through
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: a lot of the year Jayalen Hurts sometimes he didn't
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: have to do much. A lot of the time he
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: didn't have to do much. But when it counted, Jayalen
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Hurts was a week and that's just that's the Eagles.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Then that speaks to Howie Roseman. The Steelers just haven't
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: really had that. They you know, they got one with
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: h with Big Ben. They were in a couple there
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: and then it just got a lot worse. So the
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: thing about a high floor is if you want a
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: high ceiling, if you're locking in a high floor, then
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: you know your ceiling's gonna be higher because you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: it's correlated like that. At the end of the day,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I would much rather be this be the Steelers and
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: just be like a quarterback away, you know, every year,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: then kind of have no you know, dude, like be
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: the Giants who I think ownership has just meddled ever
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: since the end of it got really bad at the
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: end of Eui Mann's career after he had won those
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: couple and then around that bench at the time they
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: benched him for Gina, Like everything just unraveled there and
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: you could see it. The Jets have been the same
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: way the last couple of decades. You know, they keep
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: throwing the same thing at the wall in different ways
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: and just doesn't stick. So I don't think the stealer.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I think the Steelers are a model organization. But unfortunately
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: this this is why you know, Josh Allen got three
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: hundred and thirty million dollars and we're over here saying,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: you know, he left money on the table, because that's
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: how much quarterbacks do matter for certain teams, and you
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: know they they do matter in general, but for a
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: team Mike, the Steelers, that that it meant everything because
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: that's the difference. You know, they were trotting out Kenny
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Pickett justin fields, uh, the ghost of Russell Wilson, Mason Rudolph,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Like that's that's why the Steelers aren't going Yeah exactly, Yeah,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: So that's that that's that's that's really what it is.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: But yeah, there's teams like we saw with the Giants,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: they Joe Shane has no idea. Well, he like he
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: makes some moves that turn out good, and but when
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: he starts going through his thought processes, and I'm sure
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: this has a lot to do with ownership too, and
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: there's things we're not seeing. But uh, it's just a
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: lot of these movies don't don't quite make sense to me.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: And then a lot of them are just kind of
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: fixing other things. And uh, you know, even like the
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: like now you signed it, paulsing the debo, but like
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: what if you don't, like I don't you know, I
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: wouldn't want to put myself in position to where if
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: I didn't get a quarterback, like I could just take Hunter,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't know if you still do
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: that now. So like it's I just think. I just
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: think there's a lot going on with ownership. And that's
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: why the Giants and the Jets, you know you heard
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: mad ratings and things like that, those two teams in particular,
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: that's why he keeps seeing them just struggle for the
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: better part of a couple of decades.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Now, Josh Allen got a quarter of a billion dollars
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: guaranteed guaranteed.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: How many quarterbacks have you ever seen hurdle anyone. Goodness,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: there's no field, no way.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: And by the way, when he can go for a
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: new contract, he's going to be thirty two years old.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: He could make half a billion dollars in real money
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: over the next eight years, guaranteed. Imagine that just from football,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: just from football football, he could end up with five
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: hundred million dollars.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: And just from my perspective of like we're talking about
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks here is that's the beautiful thing about football is
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: you don't need Josh Allen. Usually Josh Allen doesn't get
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: you shit in football, right, Like we've seen it time
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and time again. These great quarterbacks. It's not their fault,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: right because it is a team sport, but there's so
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: much he goes into it in that the fact that
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: you know, right now in the NFL, we're in a
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: weird spot chat where we've had a run of dynasties.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Right We've had the chiefs in the Patriots dynasty. So
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: right now, you know, if you want to count Russell
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Wilson to start in the league, we have four quarterbacks
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: that are starters that have won super Bowls in football
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: right now. Right Stafford Mahomes Hertz and Russell Wilson. That's
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: really unique. Like there's thirty two teams, there's only four starters.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: That is an insane stat Yeah.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: And like that kind of things because I want to
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: bring people in perspective of it's so tough to get
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: there and actually do it, like you need so much
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: fucking luck. I mean, think about the shape of a football.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: It's the weirder shaped ball in all major sports. You
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: don't know which way that fucking thing is gonna bounce, Like,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: you know, even hanging around Eagles fans, how cocky they
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: are talking about all the fumbles we got in the
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: playoffs and how that helped us get to the super Bowl.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: It's like they don't know where that ball is gonna
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: bounce and he punched that shit out, Like it's all
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: this random things to add up to them getting to
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl winning it. And obviously you know that
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: was a crazy runof they had the most points ever
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: in that Super Bowl history era of points in the playoffs, right,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: that was a very unique team. But at the core
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: of football this way, I'll never get all these different
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: teams in the moves they make. We've had years of
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo making it to a fucking super Bowl. Brock
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Purdy made it to a super Bowl, Like you can
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: make it there with below average quarterbacks that are trying
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: to buy really good talent on their teams. And I think,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: you know, the greatest team and player ever in my
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: mind of this example are those Eli Manning Giant teams. Right.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: He never made the playoffs and did anything when he
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: did make it, he won fucking super Bowls. And that
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: was kind of thing where that team drafted right on
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: their D line. They had Spags the decoordinator, and then
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: they had Elon who had that clutch gene with plexico
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: and they had a good run game. All those things
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: got into it. But it's like too many these teams
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: want to be perfect, right, They want to make the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: perfect team, get a top five quarterback and make it
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: all work. You don't need all that in football, Like
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: there's so much that goes into it. So that's why
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I think we're in a weird spot right now where
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: these teams are. You know, they're chasing different teams trying
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: to copy their what they how they built their teams out.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: I told you last year I had heard from people
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: in the Eaglo organization that they were going to copy
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the forty nine ers that they when they saw what
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey did to that offense. Howie who has never
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: paid running back in his whole life. So I don't
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: fucking care. The NFL has changed two ice safeties is
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: a real thing. I'm going out there. I'm getting what
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I think is the best running back in football. You.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you've seen all the conferences him
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: talking Saquon. It's like he literally said to the dude,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: you're the reason we just won the Super Bowl, Like
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: you were the difference that we needed that we didn't
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: have two years ago, and teams out there that wanted
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: to do it this year, there was no running back
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: out there to do that. Now we have this draft
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: coming up with Gentry and there's a couple of guys
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: out there that I think are game changers. But you
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: definitely saw this year in the fergency class that teams
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: weren't going to be like, Okay, there's a saque there's
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Derrick Henry out there, because there isn't. You've seen a pullback,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: and like we talked about, they've attacked the offense to
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: line the defensive lines, because to me, this draft class
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: has really good running backs. So it's gonna interesting in
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: this draft coming up. Does Gentry go in the top ten?
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Do teams reach for him because they think they're a
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: piece away your Bears team, Chad, I wouldn't hate them
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: taking him. Like, there's certain teams I feel like you
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: could add him and they're gonna be in the same
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: position as what we've seen this Eagles team Detroit. I mean,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: look what they've done getting running backs right, that's kind
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: of changed the whole organization. So I do think that
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: we're going to this weird time where people are like
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: so obsessed with quarterbacks like we all are. It's fun
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: make a top five, top ten list when it really
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: does matter. All these other pieces have been so important.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I would love your Chris's view on that, if he's
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: got to view on these running back classes coming out.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's the first thing I was gonna bring
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: up with. Yeah, genty is the favorite now to go
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: to the Chicago Bears, which because they address their offensive line.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: You know, everyone thought they were going to take the
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: offensive line. Now they have some options, So totally agree.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: I think it. Like I said at the end of
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: the day with the Bears is gonna come down, Okay,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: But Williams, that's the guy who has shown it, and
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: we know he has a talent, but he hasn't proven
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: it yet. You're like, ask Jacksonville, you know how they're
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: doing with that? So like that's that's that's The Bears
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: have everything around him, I think. But the one I
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: was going to bring up, since we were talking about
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen and just how Portanty's running backs are in
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: the playoffs, what did the Bills lean on. It wasn't
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen throwing the football. It was James Cook who
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: turned into an absolute monster. And the every week it
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: seem like James Cook was undervalued, even in the touchdown market,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: which is a notoriously inflated market. You know, he was undervalued,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: and it's because they saw something in James Cook. You know,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: he got a lot more physical Uh, he had the
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: speed he can catch it and run. And that's a
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: big thing that those three down backs are coming back
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: into Bogue a little bit, I know. And and then
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: the Bills also had Tdy Johnson coming out of nowhere
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: playing really well. Made that crazy catch in the UH
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: against the in the playoffs. So I think running backs
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: are it kind of got to that low point in
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: the market where I think they had like a conference
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: or a meeting with all them at one point and
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out how they can increase their value. Well,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I think they have. So the fact that we're talking
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: about Ashton Jens as good as he's been, you know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: usually those kind of running backs, it's like, all right,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: you know they're great in college, and then everyone's still
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: talking about you know, pick twenty, picked thirty, second round, nah,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: gents is like they're talking about him going fifth, sixtyes,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: and so uh yeah. I think the Eagles kind of
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: paved the way with one of the probably the best
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: GM in the game, giving Saquon bark We a massive
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: deal and it worked out, and and and then the
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Bills we saw them Meano and James Cook, even when
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: they had Josh Allen and every week we're like, where's Cooper,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Where's you know, who's gonna where's dog King k? Where's
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: all these guys, James Cook and Tyd Johnson? So yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: in the ravens Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: So Raybon, who do you think is in Simon? I
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: want you to answer this too. The Washington Commanders last year,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: they blew up the league. Jaden Daniels was brilliant. Obviously,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: you mentioned we started the show talking about Laramie Tunsel
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: going to the Commanders. But what was interesting about the
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Commanders obviously was Jaden Daniels' performance, but their willingness to
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: lean into the analytics in high leverage situations, especially on
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: fourth downs, especially on fourth and three, four, five, in
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: that range, way outside of the red zone, doing it
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: consistently explosive plays coming from Jaden Daniels. It's funny we
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: talk about the NFL. You watch these games and like
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: every single week, whether it's raybon Kern or me Simon Stuckey,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: we're talking about these games as if they will play
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: out according to sort of methodical pacing, what we expect
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: to be normalized play calling, what we expect to be
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: perfect play, and teams to play in the manner in
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: which the overall stats say they're going to play. It
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: always comes down to the explosive play. It comes down
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: to the fourth down call, it comes down to the
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: deep out, it comes down to the blown coverage, whatever
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: it is. That's why betting is exciting because all of
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: a sudden you're like, oh, I was only one play away,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: or oh I got this play right. Those are the
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: difference makers when you're talking about betting. Who will be
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: the commanders of this season? The team that leans into
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: the high leverage situations.
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  Speaker 3: I got an answer, I think, give it to me.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: What's a fucking podcast? Give me your answer.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Not just it's not just that, it's I think they
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: have the talent too. And think about it like this,
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  Speaker 3: who's been the best team against the spread over the
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: past few years. It's been the Detroit Lions. Right, They've
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: just been They've just been cover machines. The team that
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: I think last year I was saying they were kind
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: of a poor man's Lions, But they have the talent
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: to be just as good. Tampa Bay Baker Mayfield interesting,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: could be the next take On or somebody like that.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: They got an offensive line, they got they got a
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: secondary they you know, they took some stabs at pass
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: rush with Reddick, and but they got a defensive coach,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: So you don't worry too much about the defense. Defense
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: has pieces. I mean, what what's stopping the Bucks from
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: from being like the Mayfield Bucks? The in the for
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: being the goth Lions, who everyone thought was going to
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: be in the Super Bowl over the Eagles last year.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: That's the team that I think is just severely overlooked.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Sign and what do you think of that?
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I love it. People are gonna hate this because this
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: feels like a way too heavy Bears podcast, but I
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: have to go with the Bears, like this is the
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: team that all I do is my favorite thing. That
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: bet is on second year players, right and especially quarterbacks
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: making that second year jump. And we've seen it time
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: and time again where it's like guys have all the
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: tools in the world, they have a bad season, people
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: leave them for dead, and then the second year something
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: like Kayleb believe should take that next step. The guy
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: has all the talent in the world. Now he has
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: some good coaching, an offensive line, a system. I think
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: he's going to really thrive in. And again I hope
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: they get gentry. Like to me, that would be an
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: insane weapon to add to that team. Have with Kayleb,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: bullions from the next five to ten years in that backfield.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: And you know, this is a team that me and
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Chat talked a Nagenbata last year they were four and
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: two when they lost a hell Mary game against the Commanders,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: like this was a team that was on a trajectory
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: and we said after they lost, I said, this same
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: young team, we're gonna find out a lot by the
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Chicago team. They're either gonna thrive and you know, bounce
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: back from this, or they will collapse under their own
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: weight the rest of the season. And that's what they did.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: But the end of the season on such a high
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: mark like that, I know it sounds stupid. That was
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: a huge win for green Bay against green Bay and
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: for Kayleb Williams in my mind going to the offseason
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: because I think he felt what it could be like
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: to be a team that should be beating green Bay
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  Speaker 2: at green Bay that can can have these big wins.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a team that I love their offseason.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: They're gonna have a last place schedule and I think
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: it lines up right for them that you know, just
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: like last year, every's gonna talking about Detroit, every's gonna
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: be talking about green Bay and last year we had
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that were coming in on this
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Bears team for the excitement. It doesn't feel like that
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: as we are here in March right there are professionals
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: like me, you like the Bears, But I'm saying the
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: general public, I don't turn on Eastpan or FS one
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: all day, and all they're talking about is the Bears
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: like they were at this point last year heading into
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: the draft. So that's a team that I am excited
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: to buy low on. I'm gonna bet their win total
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: over I just I love out all lines up for
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: the year two bump for Kayler Williams and bringing in
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: such a great offensive mind in Johnson. So it's like
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: I can't help myself, like this is a team I
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: always kind of love secretly just because you know, me
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: and Chad just always kind of love the Bears team.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Obviously for Chad has his reasons, but we admitted to it.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: We had a huge whiff on them two years ago
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: with Justin Fields. This feels totally different than Justin Field's
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: year two where we fell in love with Justin fields
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: athleticism in year one, mean chat bet on that upside
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: and were betting the one hundred and one to win
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. People like that's where we were at
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: them two years ago. I'm in the same spot now.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: It's like I feel like they're better, they're improved. Am
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I bet the super Bowl futures? Fuck No, I think
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: it's like four to one now in most books that
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: there's no value there at this point. But for them
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: to shock this division and pull it off, I think
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: it's a real thing like this is this is gonna
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: be a legit good team that I don't think enough
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: people are looking into right now because they're what five
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: and twelve last year? I get it. It's just to me,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: these are the teams I love that. Bet on the
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: new coach, year two quarterback, whole new offensive line, like
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: it's it's all lined up there. Chat for this can
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: take a huge year or two step up in this
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Bears team. So that's definite a team just like we
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Chris talked about teams we try to ie for that.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: No one's really talking about Tampa's the same boat. No
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: one's talking about eveno the one division last year. I
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: feel like it's the same thing for the Bears that's
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: coming year. No one's talking about them enough where I
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: think they're going to take a major step that people
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: aren't aware of.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm glad you said it. I didn't want
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: to be the one who said when I thought of
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: this question and I put it in the script. My
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: answer to this was going to be the Bears because
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: of Ben Johnson, right like he clearly when he was
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: with the Lions as the play caller, was comfortable in
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: these situations that go lean into the analytics and what
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: the probabilistic thinking and what the percentages is, not on
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: what the conventional wisdom is. That looks like the safer
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: play that is going to make you comfortable if you
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: miss That to me was the answer. I kind of
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: like Ray, but but it also felt little cliche because
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: of course, like Ben Johnson, he's the guy. I like
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Raybond's answer too. Matt Mitchell, we got to make a note.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we have to do a future episode
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: that has focused a lot on the breaking down of
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: this question and then combining it with will there be
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: too much examination of rules changes and how it made
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: coaches think about fourth down and kicking long field goals
• 55:34
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• 55:37
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• 55:42
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• 55:44
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• 55:49
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• 55:53
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