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- 0:01Speaker 1: In short, the book of how we have become.
- 0:07Speaker 2: Rishayagubi of Alal-e-Aqabmandegi in Iran.
- 0:12Speaker 1: Written by Dr. Sadiq Ziba Kalam.
- 0:14Speaker 2: Two hundred years ago, in the desert of Qara-e-Chaman near Tabriz,
- 0:20Speaker 2: during the days of the defeats of Iran's father from Russia,
- 0:25Speaker 2: Abbas Mirza, commander of the Iranian Army, with the help
- 0:30Speaker 2: of the French Napoleon Bonaparte.
- 0:32Speaker 1: Instead of asking.
- 0:35Speaker 2: For a gun and a ball, he asked with a
- 0:38Speaker 2: sad face, what is the secret of the power that
- 0:42Speaker 2: you Europeans have given us? What is the difference between
- 0:46Speaker 2: us and you?
- 0:48Speaker 1: The book, How We Became, by Sadegh Ziba.
- 0:53Speaker 2: Kalam, The answer is the same historical question of Abbas Mirza.
- 1:02Speaker 2: If we want to summarize this book of 480 pages
- 1:06Speaker 2: in just one sentence, it would be this.
- 1:09Speaker 1: The root of Iran's resistance is.
- 1:10Speaker 3: Not in the Arab attack, nor in the establishment, nor
- 1:17Speaker 3: in the extermination of the foreigners, but in the geographies
- 1:25Speaker 3: that have betrayed us.
- 1:53Speaker 2: Let's go to the author of the book. Sadiq Ziba
- 2:20Speaker 2: Kalam was born in 1327 in Tehran. He was a
- 2:22Speaker 2: professor of law and political science at Tehran University and
- 2:28Speaker 2: a doctor of peace studies at Bradford University in England.
- 2:31Speaker 1: He went to Britain to study chemistry in 1340.
- 2:34Speaker 2: In 1353, when he returned to Iran, He was accused
- 2:50Speaker 2: of activity against the Shah's regime and was imprisoned for
- 2:56Speaker 2: two years. After the revolution, he returned to the University
- 3:02Speaker 2: of Bradford in the late 1360s and this time he
- 3:05Speaker 2: went to the Department of Human Sciences instead of chemistry
- 3:09Speaker 2: and finished his doctorate in the field of peace studies.
- 3:18Speaker 2: In the political sphere of Iran, Sadiq Ziba Kalam's face
- 3:22Speaker 2: is recognized and his voice is heard.
- 3:25Speaker 1: In the.
- 3:27Speaker 2: Two-layered atmosphere of these days of Iran, he is strongly
- 3:32Speaker 2: rejected by both sides. From one side, due to the
- 3:36Speaker 2: direct opposition to the political policies of the regime, the
- 3:40Speaker 2: ideological Americanism and Westernism, and defending the freedom of speech
- 3:49Speaker 2: and the rights of political prisoners is a symbol of
- 3:52Speaker 2: the actions of the regime's subordinates, instead of repeatedly fighting
- 3:58Speaker 2: against the judicial institutions and in cases of sanctions. It
- 4:03Speaker 2: is still going through a curfew due to the spread
- 4:07Speaker 2: of the virus and the curfew outside the prisons.
- 4:14Speaker 1: From another point of view, Ziba Kalam is also a.
- 4:16Speaker 2: Symbol of the violent attacks of the rebels and opponents
- 4:20Speaker 2: of the regime because of the reforming of the Islamic
- 4:24Speaker 2: Republic and the opposition to the revolution and the.
- 4:30Speaker 1: Revolution.
- 4:31Speaker 2: The book of how we became, after three years of
- 4:35Speaker 2: Sadiq Ziba Kalam's work, two years of these three years,
- 4:38Speaker 2: only one season was held, the fifth season, Khamosh Shodan-e
- 4:45Speaker 2: Charaag-e Elm Dar Iran. Oumigeh, Ehsas Mikonam Bejaye On Ke
- 4:51Speaker 2: Man In Fasl Ro Be Wujud Avorde Basham, In Fasl
- 4:55Speaker 2: Mara Az No Be Wujud Avorde. Kitab Avalin Bar Dar
- 5:00Speaker 2: Deyma-e 1373 Montashir Shod, Wa Besorat Be Yeki Az Purchanandetarin
- 5:06Speaker 2: Wa Purbahstarin Asar-e Tariqnigari-e Muasere Iran Tabdil Shod. and so
- 5:14Speaker 2: far it has been reprinted 34 times. The press conference
- 5:18Speaker 2: on this book has been held, and just as we
- 5:21Speaker 2: are reporting on it in the book's press conference, it
- 5:24Speaker 2: has taken two forms of action. From the side of
- 5:29Speaker 2: the leftists and also the supporters of the Marxist look,
- 5:35Speaker 2: who consider the fate of Iran's repression to be a
- 5:39Speaker 2: foreign invention, and from the side of religious critics who
- 5:45Speaker 2: cannot refute the book on the religious tradition and its
- 5:50Speaker 2: role in extinguishing the.
- 5:51Speaker 1: Flame of knowledge. The book was.
- 5:56Speaker 2: Presented to two martyrs of the war, Ibrahim Hemmat and
- 6:00Speaker 2: Hossein Kharrazi, and also to Imam Mohammad Ghazali, the 11th
- 6:06Speaker 2: century scholar, who, according to the Ziba Kalam narration, With
- 6:12Speaker 2: the exception of the mind and focus on self-discipline, it
- 6:14Speaker 2: was one of the reasons for the silence of the
- 6:18Speaker 2: light of knowledge in Iran. Therefore, presenting the book to
- 6:23Speaker 2: Ghazali is a meaningful and kind of sacrifice. Season by season,
- 6:30Speaker 2: we travel with this book from the province of Qarah-Chaman-Tabriz
- 6:36Speaker 2: to the central caves of Iran. from the invasion of
- 6:40Speaker 2: Central Asian tribes to the invasion of Mongolia and Baghdad's bookshops,
- 6:45Speaker 2: and from the Crusades to the competition.
- 6:48Speaker 1: Of the European industrialists in the region. As we.
- 6:54Speaker 2: Said, the story of this book starts from a historical
- 6:58Speaker 2: meeting In Tehran-Tabriz street, there is a small village called
- 7:10Speaker 2: Qareh Chaman. 200 years ago, in the midst of the
- 7:14Speaker 2: wars between Iran and Russia, this village was the main
- 7:20Speaker 2: headquarters of the Iranian forces. During this time, Napoleon, who
- 7:25Speaker 2: was thinking of invading England, that is, India, through Iran,
- 7:32Speaker 2: sent a delegation to the leadership of Moussiou Jouber of
- 7:34Speaker 2: France to Iran. Jouber, to meet with Abbas Mirza, the
- 7:41Speaker 2: governor and commander-in-chief of the whole power, took the same
- 7:45Speaker 2: route as Qarahchaman.
- 7:48Speaker 1: Abbas Mirza, tired and.
- 7:51Speaker 2: Unsuccessful from the defeats of Paya Pai, instead of contemplating
- 7:56Speaker 2: his military needs, asked the French ambassador, But Abbas Mirza
- 9:00Speaker 2: did not just ask, he also acted. He made young
- 9:04Speaker 2: people the way of Europe to learn new sciences. He
- 9:07Speaker 2: built a new army. Dastgāh-e-Chāp rū bē īrān āvord vā
- 9:29Speaker 2: dār Tabriz nizām-e-edārī-e tāzēy pērīkht vā islāhāt īrān az zamān-e-ū
- 9:36Speaker 2: shūrū shud. Ammā bīmārī-e-Tīfūs majālash nā dād vā dār chēl-sāligī
- 9:43Speaker 2: dār guzashd. Zībā kalām mī-nivīsē agar Abbas Mirzā zendē mī-mūnd,
- 9:49Speaker 2: shāyad īrān ham mesl-e-Jāpon sāheb-e-Empāratūr-Mījī-e khud-eš mī-shud. As Emperor Meiji
- 9:58Speaker 2: led Japan to the path of development, Abbas Mirza could
- 10:02Speaker 2: also lead Iran to a better path. Since that day,
- 10:04Speaker 2: in Qarahchaman, different generations have asked this question in different ways.
- 10:11Speaker 2: They blame the sins of the kings of Qajar. On
- 10:20Speaker 2: the other hand, all the misfortunes are related to the
- 10:23Speaker 2: attack of the Arabs.
- 10:24Speaker 1: And the entry of Islam, and it is assumed.
- 10:27Speaker 2: That the pure Iranian resistance did not play a role
- 10:31Speaker 2: in this incident. But the most important and continuous answer
- 10:37Speaker 2: has been shaped by the expansion of Marxist thoughts from
- 10:40Speaker 2: the year 1320 onwards.
- 10:41Speaker 1: It is believed that The development and globalization of the
- 10:46Speaker 1: world was the main factor of Iran's repression. In Iran,
- 10:49Speaker 1: unlike many other countries.
- 10:52Speaker 2: That only knew this theory as one of the few
- 10:54Speaker 2: possible alternatives, this belief that the development of our repression
- 10:58Speaker 2: is almost unquestionably changed. In a way that even the
- 11:03Speaker 2: Islamic movements The Islamic Republic and even Mohammad Reza Pahlavi
- 11:16Speaker 2: did not want to use this theory. Why did this
- 11:18Speaker 2: theory influence so much in the minds of the Iranians?
- 11:26Speaker 2: Ziba Kalam does not see the answer in the natural
- 11:30Speaker 2: power of science, but in its natural nature. This theory,
- 11:36Speaker 2: unlike previous answers, considers Iranians to be responsible for their
- 11:40Speaker 2: own injustice. That is, we are no longer the cause
- 11:42Speaker 2: of injustice, but the West and the establishment. A nation
- 11:46Speaker 2: that considers itself to be a great and powerful nation,
- 11:51Speaker 2: can hardly accept that we are the cause of this injustice,
- 11:53Speaker 2: not the strangers. Because if Iran was not weak in
- 12:06Speaker 2: the first place, the establishment could never be controlled by it. Therefore,
- 12:13Speaker 2: the entry of the establishment was a consequence of Iran's resistance,
- 12:21Speaker 2: not because of it. Where should the first phase begin?
- 12:25Speaker 2: The writer explains more about its work in this short period.
- 12:28Speaker 2: Instead of moving from past to present, From the 19th
- 12:34Speaker 2: century Iran, the same Iran that Abbas Mirza asked for,
- 12:39Speaker 2: returns and asks where this situation has come from.
- 12:44Speaker 1: To do this, we must.
- 12:45Speaker 2: First distance ourselves from the ready-to-enter molds. The most common
- 12:53Speaker 2: of these molds is Marxist feudalism, the claim that Iran,
- 12:57Speaker 2: like the middle-class Europe, He knows the period of feudalism.
- 13:05Speaker 1: Ziba Kalam asks, was it really like this?
- 13:09Speaker 2: For Pāsokh, he first examines the structure of European feudalism. There,
- 13:15Speaker 2: power was divided into several players. Ashraf, Kilisa and Pādešā.
- 13:22Speaker 2: Each had a role and the king could not rely
- 13:25Speaker 2: on them. Magna Carta in the year 1215 was published
- 13:34Speaker 2: by Ashraf Engelis with pressure from their rulers and for
- 13:38Speaker 2: the first time limited his options from the sum to
- 13:42Speaker 2: the amount of money he wanted. It was a product
- 13:44Speaker 2: of this exact balance of power. But in Iran such
- 13:46Speaker 2: a powerful player never took shape. nor a landowner independent
- 14:00Speaker 2: of the court, nor an institution such as a church,
- 14:04Speaker 2: nor merchants or scholars who can be a real value
- 14:07Speaker 2: to the government and the Shah. No organization or group
- 14:14Speaker 2: outside the government could not create an independent power, nor
- 14:19Speaker 2: a parliament that makes laws, nor an association that organizes industries,
- 14:25Speaker 2: nor the statements that the government makes, the first, middle
- 14:30Speaker 2: and last power was given to the.
- 14:34Speaker 1: Government.
- 14:34Speaker 2: And this absolute focus on the belief of Ziba Kalam
- 14:37Speaker 2: is one of the main roots of Iran's resistance.
- 14:39Speaker 1: Why in Iran, unlike Europe, no.
- 14:42Speaker 2: Independent institution was formed against the government, is a topic
- 14:48Speaker 2: that will be discussed.
- 14:54Speaker 1: With the dry geography of Iran. Second, how is Iran located?
- 14:59Speaker 1: Of the 1,650,000 km2 area of Iran, less than 10%
- 15:02Speaker 1: of it is fertile.
- 15:04Speaker 2: The average annual rainfall in Iran is only between 25
- 15:08Speaker 2: to 30 cm, less than one-third of the global average
- 15:25Speaker 2: of 90 centimeters. To compare, the annual rainfall in Japan
- 15:30Speaker 2: is about 6 times that of Iran and in England
- 15:34Speaker 2: is about 8 times.
- 15:36Speaker 1: That of Iran.
- 15:37Speaker 2: The Alborz and Zagros mountains also prevent the entry of
- 15:41Speaker 2: the Khazar and Mediterranean waters into the central region of Iran,
- 15:47Speaker 2: as a result of which 96% of the country's soil
- 15:50Speaker 2: The annual rainfall does not even reach 20 centimeters. According
- 15:53Speaker 2: to the writer, this water shortage has three chain messages
- 15:58Speaker 2: that strengthen each other. First, social development. The comparison of
- 16:03Speaker 2: the islands of Gilan.
- 16:05Speaker 1: Central, i.e.
- 16:07Speaker 2: Iraq, And Sistan and Baluchistan show that the more the
- 16:19Speaker 2: distance between the cities is increased, the price of the
- 16:24Speaker 2: producers who have free goods for sale increases dramatically. In Gilan,
- 16:31Speaker 2: nearly 74% of the producers have free goods, while in
- 16:34Speaker 2: Sistan and Baluchistan this figure reaches less than 15%.
- 16:39Speaker 1: This gap shows why the Iranian economy.
- 17:11Speaker 2: Until the beginning of the 20th century, about a quarter
- 17:16Speaker 2: of the Iranian society was formed by the Ashayir, who,
- 17:19Speaker 2: due to the lack of water and the only seasonal
- 17:24Speaker 2: deserts of peace, were living in the middle of the
- 17:29Speaker 2: Yelagh and Qishlaq for years. This lifestyle did not need
- 17:32Speaker 2: social institutions such as the school, the bazaar, the mosque,
- 17:36Speaker 2: the parliament, the judicial.
- 17:38Speaker 1: System and class unions.
- 17:43Speaker 2: On the other hand, this lifestyle was already unstable. The
- 17:48Speaker 2: power of each tribe was dependent on the military power.
- 17:51Speaker 1: And the leadership of its leader.
- 17:54Speaker 2: And with his death, a bloodbath began to fill the
- 17:57Speaker 2: void of power. And the country, for decades, was selling
- 18:02Speaker 2: in power. Until a new commander, from Sultan Mahmoud Ghaznavi
- 18:08Speaker 2: and Toghrul Saljougi, until Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar, Again, the
- 18:14Speaker 2: pieces of the curtain were broken by the force of
- 18:17Speaker 2: the sun. The third and most important of all, the
- 18:22Speaker 2: third message, the absolute focus of power was.
- 18:25Speaker 1: In the hands of the government.
- 18:27Speaker 2: For the management of the water of Kamyab, the cooperation
- 18:31Speaker 2: of the collective was necessary. This need brought the organization
- 18:35Speaker 2: of the management and the management gradually became the government.
- 18:38Speaker 2: The example is Qanat. Qanat, The underground tunnel is 10
- 18:45Speaker 2: kilometers long and 90 meters deep, which was dug by
- 18:49Speaker 2: the miners to bring the water from the mountains.
- 18:52Speaker 1: To the desert. In the year 1340.
- 18:55Speaker 2: The entire network of Iran's canals reached 250,000 kilometers, which
- 18:58Speaker 2: is six times the area of the Earth. The area
- 19:01Speaker 2: of the Earth is about 40,000 kilometers. This mass of
- 19:13Speaker 2: work is only imaginable with a centralized organization. The government
- 19:18Speaker 2: has become the owner of water and land and has
- 19:21Speaker 2: also found a divine power for its own power. No
- 19:26Speaker 2: independent institution, parliament, parties, free documents, judicial system, class unity,
- 19:33Speaker 2: opportunity for growth has been found. Ziba Kalam adds another
- 19:39Speaker 2: important point to this section. This relationship is not one-sided.
- 19:43Speaker 2: As much as the concentration of power is done on
- 19:45Speaker 2: the opposite side, the opposite side is also done on
- 19:48Speaker 2: the opposite side. of power.
- 19:51Speaker 1: It is not one-sided. The third chapter is from Saud
- 19:53Speaker 1: to Nuzul in the year 1000 to 1800 AD. In
- 20:06Speaker 1: the previous year, we saw.
- 20:08Speaker 2: That the lack of water brought three fundamental features to
- 20:11Speaker 2: Iran's society. One, the prosperity of society. Two, the life
- 20:16Speaker 2: of the people. And three, the absolute focus of power
- 20:20Speaker 2: in the hands of the government. This structure, in addition
- 20:24Speaker 2: to the external pressure, also came out of the water.
- 20:28Speaker 2: The government had absolute power, but this power was not
- 20:31Speaker 2: limited to sustainable institutions, and did not have a social background.
- 20:38Speaker 2: With the fall of one Shah, the regime fell apart
- 20:43Speaker 2: and Iran was defenseless against foreign attacks. From the 10th century,
- 20:48Speaker 2: the Turkish tribes, which later established the series of Ghaznavi,
- 20:53Speaker 2: Saljougi and Kharazshahi, gradually became powerful in Iran. But the
- 21:00Speaker 2: most violent attack was the Mughal invasion, which destroyed Iran
- 21:04Speaker 2: in the first half of the 13th century AD. The
- 21:08Speaker 2: author summarizes the high-level messages of these attacks in five parts. 1.
- 21:14Speaker 1: Lack of public attention 2.
- 21:15Speaker 2: The violence of the widespread water networks 3. The strength
- 21:21Speaker 2: of corruption and corruption against the country the fundamental change
- 21:30Speaker 2: in the agricultural field, and the natural growth of Iran's
- 21:36Speaker 2: industrial growth. Ziba Kalam, in order to be more familiar
- 21:40Speaker 2: with this mystery, points out to the historian of the
- 21:43Speaker 2: 6th century, Ibn Fandogh, that the city of Bihak was
- 21:50Speaker 2: destroyed by the Qaznavi army and was burned down with
- 21:54Speaker 2: painful materials, including.
- 21:55Speaker 1: Burning pistachio trees.
- 22:00Speaker 2: The final result was the change of the collective structure
- 22:04Speaker 2: of Iran to the benefit of the nations. Iran was
- 22:07Speaker 2: transformed from a civilized society to a tribal society, and
- 22:11Speaker 2: this changed the course of the history of Iran for centuries. 4.
- 22:16Speaker 1: The impact.
- 22:19Speaker 2: Of the attacks on the social institutions of Iran The
- 22:25Speaker 2: third phase showed how these attacks led to economic destruction.
- 22:29Speaker 2: This phase shows that the creation of these tribes did
- 22:33Speaker 2: not create a new one, but rather the same destructive
- 22:36Speaker 2: creation that we saw in the second phase, i.e. the
- 22:39Speaker 2: complete concentration of power, the lack of ownership and the
- 22:45Speaker 2: weakness of the rule of food or food, became deeper
- 22:49Speaker 2: and more powerful. Ziba Kalam records these events in four parts. First,
- 22:56Speaker 2: the professional army. Now, this was the only positive message
- 22:59Speaker 2: of this era. The army that had previously been formed
- 23:03Speaker 2: mainly from the tribe of Daftalabans turned into a professional organization.
- 23:11Speaker 2: Sultan Mahmoud Ghaznavi, the same person who attacked India 17 times,
- 23:15Speaker 2: made an army whose soldiers took rights and had a
- 23:18Speaker 2: share of war crimes. The fleet was two times the
- 23:25Speaker 2: size of the regime. The number of people of this
- 23:29Speaker 2: army reached 100,000 during the period of peace. The formation
- 23:32Speaker 2: of this army increased the power of the government, but
- 23:35Speaker 2: also increased the costs and financial pressure and increased the
- 23:40Speaker 2: supply of goods and increased the pressure on the people. 2.
- 23:43Speaker 1: The regime of dictatorship.
- 23:50Speaker 2: Hukumat zamin ro be afrad muntakhab khudsh waaguzar mikard. Ama
- 23:55Speaker 2: in waaguzari ham hargiz payedar nabud, wa har zaman qabel
- 23:59Speaker 2: paskereftan ham bud. Wa chon sahaban-e-iqta ghaliban saken-e-markaz boudan, heech
- 24:07Speaker 2: manfaat-e-deraz-modat-i dar abadani-e-mantag-e-khudshon ne mididan, wa rabetashon ba on serfan
- 24:14Speaker 2: mali wa ani mishod. Wa hamin dalil besyari az kharijiyani ki,
- 24:19Speaker 2: In the 19th century, they traveled to Iran and indicated
- 24:22Speaker 2: in their writings that the rule of Qajar was not
- 24:26Speaker 2: because of their own country, but because they were looking
- 24:29Speaker 2: at a foreign land for migration. 3.
- 24:31Speaker 1: Security and justice.
- 24:32Speaker 2: The Qajars had neither an independent force nor a.
- 24:37Speaker 1: Working security.
- 24:47Speaker 2: With the collapse of the caliphate in the hands of
- 24:49Speaker 2: the Mughals in the year 1258 AD, even the apparent
- 24:51Speaker 2: independence of the Qudsat from the local sultan also disappeared.
- 24:55Speaker 2: Ziba Kalam is a debatable figure in terms of the
- 24:58Speaker 2: highest level of insecurity, that is, the ministry. Four ministers
- 25:04Speaker 2: were killed from six ministers of the Qaznavi era and
- 25:08Speaker 2: their families were also slaughtered. The fifth person was imprisoned
- 25:17Speaker 2: and his property was confiscated. And the sixth person was
- 25:21Speaker 2: lucky and escaped and his property was left. During the
- 25:25Speaker 2: Seljuk period, at the age of 46, 11 ministers were killed.
- 25:30Speaker 1: The Mughal constitution was also more strict.
- 25:34Speaker 2: Almost all the ministers of Ilkhani except one person were
- 25:38Speaker 2: eventually killed. For example, Rashid-ud-Din Fazlullah, the vizier of Barjaskh-e-Uljaito,
- 25:50Speaker 2: who after the death of the sultan was accused of treason,
- 25:53Speaker 2: his head was cut in half and his head was
- 25:55Speaker 2: cut in half in the streets of Tabriz. In the
- 25:59Speaker 2: era of Qajar, the situation was the same and the
- 26:03Speaker 2: viziers had a similar fate. Haji Ibrahim Khan, the greatest
- 26:08Speaker 2: of the Qajar's grandfathers, according to the order of Fatali Shah,
- 26:12Speaker 2: In other cases, he was killed and most of his
- 26:14Speaker 2: relatives were killed or killed. And Amir Kabir, the great
- 26:19Speaker 2: leader of Nasser al-Din Shah's reformer, was also killed by
- 26:23Speaker 2: the movement of Darbariyan and Mahd-e Ulyar in the Fina
- 26:28Speaker 2: Kashan bathhouse. In such an atmosphere where neither life is
- 26:32Speaker 2: safe nor money, the high-end investment that is necessary for
- 26:36Speaker 2: any development has no meaning and motivation. The fourth and
- 26:43Speaker 2: most important message was the change in the structure of
- 26:47Speaker 2: the legitimacy. Previously, governments took their legitimacy from the Caliph
- 26:51Speaker 2: of Baghdad. But the leaders of the tribes saw themselves
- 26:55Speaker 2: as the head of a tribe that governs Iran like
- 26:58Speaker 2: its own tribe, with the same level of absolute obedience.
- 27:00Speaker 2: As a result, the opposition to the ruler was no
- 27:04Speaker 2: longer a simple political dispute. but it was considered a
- 27:12Speaker 2: tribal taboo and there was no legal right to protest.
- 27:17Speaker 2: The key point of the 4th century is that these
- 27:21Speaker 2: tribes did not create a new civilization except for the army,
- 27:25Speaker 2: but they made the same destructive structure deeper and more powerful.
- 27:31Speaker 2: The 5th century, the silence of the light of knowledge
- 27:39Speaker 2: This period is the heart of the book.
- 27:42Speaker 1: A period that took more than two years to write.
- 27:46Speaker 2: Ziba Kalam says that writing this period did not only
- 27:51Speaker 2: produce a text, but also confused it.
- 27:55Speaker 1: The main question is.
- 27:58Speaker 2: This. How did a society that in the Talai period, i.e.
- 28:01Speaker 2: from the 9th to the 11th century, became a university
- 28:04Speaker 2: because of Pharaoh, Ibn Sina, Kharazmi, Birouni and Razi were
- 28:12Speaker 2: scientists who, if at that time there was a Nobel Prize,
- 28:15Speaker 2: more of those awards would have been given to this pen,
- 28:20Speaker 2: and gradually reached a place that until the end of
- 28:23Speaker 2: the 19th century did not even know a scientific.
- 28:27Speaker 1: Name like physics and chemistry. The writer summarizes two passages
- 28:33Speaker 1: of Raiej.
- 28:36Speaker 2: The first passage says that the Muslims have distanced themselves
- 28:39Speaker 2: from the original Islam, but the scientific power of the
- 28:43Speaker 2: Muslims was exactly in the same Abbasid era that these
- 28:47Speaker 2: monotheists call that era the era of destruction. The second
- 28:50Speaker 2: passage says that the attack of the Mongols is impregnable,
- 28:56Speaker 2: but the silence of the light of knowledge It started
- 29:00Speaker 2: in the 11th century, one or two centuries before the
- 29:05Speaker 2: Mongols attacked Iran in the 13th century. Asr-e-Talai, Shukufai-e-Ariyati, meaning Qarzi.
- 29:16Speaker 2: Asr-e-Talai was not a self-proclaimed period. It was a widespread
- 29:21Speaker 2: and governmental product of translation that was officially supported by
- 29:25Speaker 2: the Abbasid period. Khandane Irani Baramakeh, behamrahe satha kateb wa
- 29:34Speaker 2: divansalar edarey-e dastgah-e Bani Abbas ro dar dast gereftan, Bayt
- 29:30Speaker 2: al-Hikmah was more of a translation center until today's university.
- 29:57Speaker 2: Ziba Kalam lists five specialties for this Talayi era.
- 30:01Speaker 1: First, the knowledge of.
- 30:03Speaker 2: Ariyati, the wisdom that had come from outside. Second, the
- 30:09Speaker 2: complete attachment to the government, the wisdom that the government
- 30:15Speaker 2: had brought and could easily take from the brain.
- 30:18Speaker 1: Third, the traditional nature, according to Dr.
- 30:21Speaker 2: Zabihullah Safa, Muslims have become more famous than the old scholars.
- 30:26Speaker 1: Fourth, medical research.
- 30:29Speaker 2: Baghdad was the most advanced medical center in the world
- 30:34Speaker 2: with 860 medical facilities. But with the Islamic interest from
- 30:38Speaker 2: the funeral of Kalbot Shikafi, it went to the grave.
- 30:42Speaker 2: And the fifth, the escape of the brain. That is,
- 30:47Speaker 2: non-Muslim scientists worked freely in Baghdad. But in the era
- 30:51Speaker 2: of the grave, This trend was reversed. The point of
- 30:57Speaker 2: Atf is the trust, trustworthiness and the people of Hadith.
- 31:01Speaker 2: The point of Atf of Uful was the ability to
- 31:05Speaker 2: reach trustworthiness in 847 AD. He, with the help of
- 31:09Speaker 2: his father's support, was safe from the trustworthiness and the
- 31:14Speaker 2: people of Hadith. But the Ahl al-Hadith, on the contrary,
- 31:53Speaker 2: considered the Qur'an to be eternal and closed.
- 31:55Speaker 1: The door of interpretation.
- 31:56Speaker 2: It is interesting that before, in the peak of power,
- 32:00Speaker 2: these Ahl al-Hadith were suppressed. The face of their leader,
- 32:05Speaker 2: Ahmad ibn Hanbal, was imprisoned because he refused to accept
- 32:09Speaker 2: the existence of the Qur'an. After the Mahmoud, he returned
- 32:11Speaker 2: to work with a confident attitude. This wave quickly reached
- 32:22Speaker 2: Iran because the leaders of the Turkish tribes took their
- 32:27Speaker 2: religious legitimacy from the Caliph of Baghdad. Sultan Mahmoud Ghaznavi
- 32:34Speaker 2: burned the philosophical and philosophical bookshops. Ghazali, Nizamiyeh and Tadavum
- 32:43Speaker 2: to Bajar Imam Muhammad Ghazali is a well-known figure. He
- 32:49Speaker 2: studied in Baghdad as a religious scholar in Baghdad's regime.
- 32:54Speaker 2: But later he had a deep thought that kept him
- 32:58Speaker 2: away from education and traveled to Uzlat. It was during
- 33:06Speaker 2: this period that he studied philosophy and eventually wrote the
- 33:11Speaker 2: book of Taha Fatil Falasife, i.e. Tanaqozgui Filsoufan. which shows
- 33:18Speaker 2: that philosophers such as Farabi and Ibn Sina are not
- 33:24Speaker 2: only religious but also uncivilized. His goal was not rationalism,
- 33:30Speaker 2: but he saw philosophy as the factor of the intellectual movement.
- 33:35Speaker 1: Of the society.
- 33:36Speaker 2: His effort to reach faith from the path of the heart,
- 33:40Speaker 2: not the mind, later turned him into a Sufism. Qaj-e-Nizam-ul-Mulk, Vazir-e-Ma'ruf-e-Saljougi,
- 33:49Speaker 2: founded Madaris-e-Nizamiyeh for the education of Sunni scholars. The curriculum
- 33:57Speaker 2: of this Madaris was mainly limited to Fiqh. This movement
- 34:02Speaker 2: was later established by enemies such as Ibn Khaldun. He
- 34:06Speaker 2: considered Farabi and Ibn Sina as examples of scholars who
- 34:10Speaker 2: were lost. with the philosophical mind, that is, the mind
- 34:43Speaker 2: with the Greek roots, was strongly opposed, although the mind
- 34:47Speaker 2: was accepting the service of Fahmaddin. In the era of Qajar,
- 34:54Speaker 2: Mirza Abul Qasem Qomi, the head of the Qom scientific association,
- 34:58Speaker 2: repeated the same argument in the Faisiyeh Madrasah. Students did
- 35:01Speaker 2: not read anything other than jurisprudence and principles. Ziba kalam
- 35:08Speaker 2: jambandi mikone, khari-e-ilm dar Iran-e-shie-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e.
- 36:06Speaker 1: Fatali Shah Qajar.
- 36:07Speaker 2: From the British Consulate asked, How much land do we
- 36:12Speaker 2: have to dig to reach America? Exactly in those centuries
- 36:17Speaker 2: when the West entered the Renaissance and the scientific revolution,
- 36:22Speaker 2: Iran was not only unaware of these developments, but was
- 36:26Speaker 2: not even aware of their existence until Amir Kabir established
- 36:32Speaker 2: Dar al-Funun. Seventh Season East and West, Contact or Reconciliation
- 36:39Speaker 2: The belief of Rayaj is that the east was the
- 36:44Speaker 2: opposite of the west, i.e. it was the same rivalry
- 36:48Speaker 2: and competition with Europe and European development that destroyed the
- 36:52Speaker 2: Islamic world. Ziba Kalam rejects this belief. The serious and
- 36:59Speaker 2: unparalleled east and west mainly occurred in the 18th and
- 37:02Speaker 2: 19th centuries. But the Islamic world was a century before it,
- 37:10Speaker 2: around the 11th century, in the era of Uful. If
- 37:14Speaker 2: Uful was the beginning of that era, it should have
- 37:17Speaker 2: started at the same time as it or after it, not.
- 37:20Speaker 1: Centuries before it.
- 37:21Speaker 2: So this era was not the origin of Uful of
- 37:26Speaker 2: the East. In the best case, Uful made the present
- 37:30Speaker 2: more difficult. Barteri Dariai Pish Az Engilab Sanati Amil Tayin
- 37:40Speaker 2: Konande Barteri Dariai Oropayan Boud Barteri Ke Na Mahsoul Engilab
- 37:46Speaker 2: Sanati Balke Qarnaha Zoodtar Shikl Gerefte Boud Moghiyat Shephe Jazirei
- 37:53Speaker 2: Oropa Oropaiha Ro Be Samte Daryanavardi Sog Dade Boud Ama
- 37:58Speaker 2: Shahraha Ye Bozorg Iran They were usually hundreds of kilometers
- 38:03Speaker 2: away from the sea. Cross-strait wars also helped to strengthen
- 38:09Speaker 2: this barrier. Because the European Union expanded to reach the
- 38:14Speaker 2: Holy Land. While the Muslims fought from the dry road
- 38:18Speaker 2: and reached the Holy Land. Even the Ottoman Empire, the
- 38:21Speaker 2: greatest power in the world until the end of the
- 38:25Speaker 2: 17th century, Why did Europeans surrender to the East? The
- 38:34Speaker 2: writer mentions two factors First, the difference in the construction
- 39:03Speaker 2: of trade. In the east, a system of coexistence between Chinese, Indians,
- 39:11Speaker 2: Iranians and Arabs was established and traders traveled without a
- 39:16Speaker 2: military escort. But in the Mediterranean, on the contrary, all
- 39:21Speaker 2: players were rivals and trade was always military. Second, the
- 39:27Speaker 2: difference in the maintenance of the rival. For the East,
- 39:31Speaker 2: the enemy was only a commercial enemy. For the Europeans,
- 39:35Speaker 2: it was considered an enemy of the military. Europeans introduced
- 39:42Speaker 2: new rules, like the military of the sea and the
- 39:44Speaker 2: outing of the ships. According to Janet Abu-Lughd, an American
- 39:51Speaker 2: scientist and author of the book Before European Hegemony, the
- 39:59Speaker 2: new players, that is, Europeans, quickly changed the rules of
- 40:03Speaker 2: the game and completely ignored the East.
- 40:06Speaker 1: Now, a lesson for everyone, not just for the East.
- 40:10Speaker 1: Ziba Kalam, with the reference to the book.
- 40:16Speaker 2: Spain and Portugal, as well as the powers of the
- 40:20Speaker 2: 16th century, which in the 19th century were transformed into
- 40:24Speaker 2: imperialist empires, confirms that this change was not against Muslims,
- 40:30Speaker 2: but against any power that closed its door on scientific advancement.
- 40:33Speaker 1: What is in the east and what is in the west?
- 40:37Speaker 2: The industrial revolution in Spain took place two centuries later
- 40:43Speaker 2: than in England, and in Portugal, and two official debates
- 41:17Speaker 2: have been held for him. One in the cultural center
- 41:21Speaker 2: of Andesha in the presence of Dr. Nasser Hadiyan, Dr.
- 41:25Speaker 2: Emad Afroogh, Dr. Saeed Ziba Kalam and a few other critics.
- 41:31Speaker 2: Also another debate in Tehran University in the presence of Dr.
- 41:35Speaker 2: Mansour Ettehadiyeh, Dr. Hossein Bashiriyeh and Dr. Ahmed Sa'i. The
- 41:43Speaker 2: first debate is Tamarkoz-e-Qadrat Dar Barabar-e-Doraha-e-Bisobati.
- 41:48Speaker 1: Wa Adam-e-Tamarkoz Dr.
- 41:51Speaker 2: Mansour Etahadiyeh says If Tamarkoz-e-Qadrat is one of the main
- 41:56Speaker 2: evils of Iranian retribution This law needs to be explained
- 42:01Speaker 2: more Because in the history of Iran The long periods
- 42:04Speaker 2: of the absence of Tamarkoz-e-Qadrat And Moloch-e-Tawayefi were not less
- 42:11Speaker 2: Ziba Kalam says in response The unstable periods are not
- 42:16Speaker 2: the point of confrontation of the center of power But
- 42:18Speaker 2: the product of that center of power Because power was
- 42:22Speaker 2: not concentrated in the institutions And only in the person
- 42:26Speaker 2: of the king With death or weakness, everything fell apart
- 42:31Speaker 2: And the country was selling to kings and nobles Until
- 42:35Speaker 2: the time when the new Fatih came And again the
- 42:39Speaker 2: same center of power was hit by Shamshir This is
- 42:44Speaker 2: a bad trend that gives the retribution because in no
- 42:47Speaker 2: way does it form a stable institution. The second criticism
- 42:57Speaker 2: is the lack of understanding or the lack of understanding.
- 43:02Speaker 2: Two experts have cited this accusation.
- 43:06Speaker 1: One, Dr.
- 43:07Speaker 2: Shapoor Rawassani, says from the defense of the theory of dependence,
- 43:12Speaker 2: The advance of the Western and the post-modernization of the
- 43:15Speaker 2: Third World War is far away from one thing, and
- 43:19Speaker 2: the destruction of the internal and external forces is a construction.
- 43:22Speaker 2: And the other point, as part of the establishment of
- 43:26Speaker 2: the establishment, was published in the Islamic Republic newspaper and
- 43:30Speaker 2: the book claims that with a serious concern for the
- 43:32Speaker 2: history of Iran, the establishment of the Islamic Republic is
- 43:36Speaker 2: considered as an accusation of the post-modernization of the country.
- 43:43Speaker 2: Ziba Kalam in his answer to both points out that
- 43:45Speaker 2: his goal was not the establishment of the state, but
- 43:49Speaker 2: the establishment of the state was a consequence of Iran's resistance,
- 43:53Speaker 2: not because of it. He points out to the success
- 43:56Speaker 2: of South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Turkey in the past
- 44:01Speaker 2: from resistance in spite of the previous establishment to show
- 44:06Speaker 2: that internal reforms can break this circle. In response to
- 44:13Speaker 2: the article on the establishment of the establishment in the
- 44:17Speaker 2: Republic of Iran, he writes that such a serious criticism
- 44:20Speaker 2: has been removed because the culture of criticism of the
- 44:24Speaker 2: book in Iran has not yet been found and the
- 44:26Speaker 2: same points are again quoted.
- 44:28Speaker 1: About the establishment.
- 44:29Speaker 2: This is because the establishment is a weak internal weakness,
- 44:33Speaker 2: not because of it.
- 44:35Speaker 1: Third criticism Dr.
- 44:41Speaker 2: Ahmad Saif in his article called Rish-e-Yabi or Rish-e-Tarashi, accuses
- 44:48Speaker 2: the writer of being very harsh and dishonest, including that
- 44:53Speaker 2: he did not refer to the first-hand evidence of Marx
- 44:57Speaker 2: in the discussion of feudalism and did not give a
- 45:02Speaker 2: clear definition of the aftermath. Ziba Kalam in his independent
- 45:06Speaker 2: article says, He also replies to these accusations, explaining that
- 45:13Speaker 2: his goal of introducing Marxism was merely to read the introduction,
- 45:19Speaker 2: not to refute the philosophy of Marxism. And not to
- 45:23Speaker 2: define the opposite was also a precaution. And he also
- 45:27Speaker 2: objects to Dr. Seif's tone and asks why the refutation
- 45:31Speaker 2: of a book should be replaced by the interpretation of
- 45:36Speaker 2: his writing personality. Ma'aloul zahf pishin ma'aboud, na illat on.
- 47:10Speaker 2: Chahar illat darouni agabmandegi Iran. 1. Sharayet eqlimi khoshk wa
- 47:17Speaker 2: kamboud aabe falat Iran ba'es para kandegi ajtemaat, qalabe zendegi
- 47:25Speaker 2: ashaieri wa tamarkoz motlag qadrat shod. 2.
- 47:31Speaker 1: Hojoumha ye payapey. 3. Absolute power.
- 47:34Speaker 2: A government whose image in the water was absolute power
- 47:39Speaker 2: and divine holiness, in a way that no independent institution
- 47:44Speaker 2: has ever taken shape. 4. The silence of the light
- 48:06Speaker 2: of knowledge. The disaster that started from the 9th century
- 48:11Speaker 2: and the collapse of the regime with the military schools
- 48:15Speaker 2: and Imam Mohammad Ghazali with the philosophy of the philosophy
- 48:19Speaker 2: in its establishment had a key role. The silence that
- 48:23Speaker 2: continued until the 19th century. 5. Contrary to the evidence
- 48:28Speaker 2: that illat-e agabmandegi-e Hiran-ro dar awamil-e khariji yustujou-mikonand, in-ketab-be-tore-jeddi-ba-khod-entegadi-be-awamil-e-dakheli-wa-sachtar-ha-e-khod-e-jame-e-Iran-pardaghte. Payam-e
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