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Rangers checkup w/Evan Grant + Tim Brown on his Nolan Ryan biography · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: It's Evan Grant from the Dallas Morning News joining us
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Evan, good to see you. It's been a minute.
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  Speaker 1: We picked a show where it's just a J and me,
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  Speaker 1: so you're gonna have a lot of questions from us.
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  Speaker 2: And the Rangers are crawling themselves back in the relevancies.
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  Speaker 3: Can you scoop back a little bit? Uncle Fester's face
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  Speaker 3: is too close to the screen.
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  Speaker 2: That's so mean.
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  Speaker 4: You've missed me, haven't you.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't seen you all year. It's been great.
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  Speaker 2: No radio games, no wow, what do you have to have? Seven?
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  Speaker 4: I haven't track now If as doing the game for Fox,
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  Speaker 4: then I'm taking the day off.
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  Speaker 1: M hm, smart, good move. Well, you somehow didn't avoid
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  Speaker 1: us here.
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  Speaker 4: Uh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Teams rolling having a good past week. Mariners are rolling too.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into that. But what are you seeing from
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  Speaker 1: this team? And I feel like they're barely getting any
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  Speaker 1: national attention. Should they be getting more national attention or
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  Speaker 1: they look more mediocre?
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  Speaker 4: Listen? I think that offensively, for the large part of
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  Speaker 4: the season, they have underachieved by their own standards. But
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  Speaker 4: I think in the last week, while they were without
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  Speaker 4: Corey Seeger and without Wyatt Langford, who should be back
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  Speaker 4: this weekend. Uh, they really kind of adopted and leaned
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  Speaker 4: into the whole small ball thing. I hate calling it
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  Speaker 4: small ball guys, but they bunted, they moved runners, they
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  Speaker 4: had productive outs. They also hit a lot of line drives,
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  Speaker 4: and their lineup kind of, you know, leaned in that direction.
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  Speaker 4: And because of it, they were much more successful at
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  Speaker 4: optimizing run scoring opportunities. And when I asked Ip Schumacher
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  Speaker 4: about this last night after the loss in Saint Louis,
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  Speaker 4: what he said is, you know, you get Wyatt and
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  Speaker 4: you get Corey back, and I expect Corey Seeger will
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  Speaker 4: be We'll back third, and probably why at Langford will
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  Speaker 4: get forth and move some guys like Burger and Nemo
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  Speaker 4: down a little bit when you when you get those
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  Speaker 4: two guys back, those guys are not gonna bunt. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: they're not going to hit and run. They're not going
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  Speaker 4: to be up there just to move runners. But if
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  Speaker 4: you can use the bottom half of the lineup to
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  Speaker 4: turn things over with a little bit of ability to
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  Speaker 4: score runs, it makes you a lot more dangerous, and
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  Speaker 4: it makes them more dangerous when they come up, because
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  Speaker 4: they may come up with the guys on base more often.
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  Speaker 3: Evan, does this show you anything about the Rangers lineup
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  Speaker 3: that that doesn't have to be home runs, especially in
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  Speaker 3: that ballpark, which is not a home run hitters park.
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  Speaker 3: Is there something to be said for, Hey, maybe we
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  Speaker 3: need to make our team a little bit more small
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  Speaker 3: ball oriented.
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  Speaker 5: Like I look back on like.
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  Speaker 3: The twenty fifteen Royals, they played in Kaufman Stadium, that
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  Speaker 3: was huge, and they had a bunch of fast guys.
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  Speaker 3: Now they had a couple of guys that could hit
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  Speaker 3: some homers Mustakas and Alex Gordon and some of the
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  Speaker 3: other guys salvi Perez, but they also had a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of guys that could put the ball in play and
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  Speaker 3: cause havoc on the basis is that maybe more of
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  Speaker 3: a team the Rangers need, especially in that ballpark.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, Yeah, I think one hundred percent. If they're not
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  Speaker 4: going to change the dimensions of this ballpark over over
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  Speaker 4: the winner, I think that they absolutely have to adopt
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  Speaker 4: some of those abilities. And I think Skip, you know,
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  Speaker 4: with his cardinal background and as he says, he's still
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  Speaker 4: a National League style of play guy, even though there's
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  Speaker 4: no real difference between the leagues anymore. I think that
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  Speaker 4: that is something that he has he has stressed in
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  Speaker 4: the first couple of months of the season, and we
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  Speaker 4: saw some results with it this past week. There are
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  Speaker 4: more there is more personnel there right now. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know how the roster will shake out after Langford and
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  Speaker 4: Seeger and ultimately Josh Smith come back, but you've got
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  Speaker 4: some guys at the bottom of the lineup who can
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  Speaker 4: really handle the bat and who can do what is
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  Speaker 4: asked of them. Nicky Lopez has been a great addition
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  Speaker 4: at as a pinch in a pinch at second base
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  Speaker 4: while they've while they've been without Sam Haggerty and some
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  Speaker 4: other guys, And so I think that this team has
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  Speaker 4: to find more ways than to just slug to be
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  Speaker 4: And it's not the reason I keep saying Aja is
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  Speaker 4: it's not small ball to me, is because it's just
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  Speaker 4: fundamental baseball. You're hitting line drives, You're trying to use
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  Speaker 4: the big part of the field. When the opportunity presents itself,
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  Speaker 4: go ahead and figure out a way to make sure
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  Speaker 4: you get a run out of an opportunity. And I
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  Speaker 4: just want to go back to one stat that I've
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  Speaker 4: cited a couple of times already, this year. The Rangers
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  Speaker 4: are really good when they score first. I think they're
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  Speaker 4: twenty three and five when they score first this year.
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  Speaker 4: They're good when they score four runs. If this team
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  Speaker 4: can hit both of those levers, if they can score
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  Speaker 4: first in the game, get their cell, get themselves to
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  Speaker 4: four runs. Eventually they are nineteen in one. It is
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  Speaker 4: the best record in the Major leagues in those situations,
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  Speaker 4: and it's something that should not be exceptionally. It shouldn't
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  Speaker 4: be as rare for the Rangers to do as it is.
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  Speaker 4: And so I think that they are trying to put
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  Speaker 4: more pressure on teams early, get themselves out to a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of a lead, so that then the pitching
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  Speaker 4: staff doesn't have to be perfect, and that pitching staff
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  Speaker 4: is pretty good anyway. Pitching staff doesn't have to be perfect,
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  Speaker 4: and then you can take your chances at bigger innings
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  Speaker 4: and slugging a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: One of the guys that you mentioned a lot recently
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  Speaker 3: is Ezekiel Durant. He's kind of had a breakout season.
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  Speaker 3: Is he the Rangers All Star this year? More than
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  Speaker 3: likely if you had to pick a position player or
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it might end up being a pitcher. But
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  Speaker 3: do you think if there was a Ranger All Star
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  Speaker 3: be Ezekiel Duran.
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  Speaker 4: I think, Look, the Rangers have three really good candidates.
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  Speaker 4: I think right now for an All Star spot, Ezekiel
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  Speaker 4: Durant at second base has the second best ops amongst
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  Speaker 4: second basemen, and he's got the highest war among guys
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  Speaker 4: who have played second primarily played second base. And look,
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  Speaker 4: if he does not make the club as a fan
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  Speaker 4: on the fan vote, I think he's pretty much as
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  Speaker 4: long as he stays on this path, he's going to
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  Speaker 4: be a shoe in for the player vote because he's
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  Speaker 4: been out, He's always been a high energy guy. Skip
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  Speaker 4: is really invested into allowing him to get a little
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  Speaker 4: bit more runway. Some of it was forced by injuries,
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  Speaker 4: some of it was forced by underperformance, but he has
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  Speaker 4: believed in the guy. Josh Young has a really good
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  Speaker 4: shot at third base. He's having a real renaissance of
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  Speaker 4: a season after two down seasons. Now the third base
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  Speaker 4: third base class is pretty deep this year and so
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  Speaker 4: that may work against him. And the third guy for
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  Speaker 4: me is Jake Lasts in the bullpen, who you know,
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  Speaker 4: is fairly unknown as a as a reliever, but has
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  Speaker 4: been absolutely outstanding moving in and really taking over the
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  Speaker 4: closer rule for the Rangers.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Evan, I'm want to ask you about Mackenzie Gore.
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  Speaker 1: What do you have for us the eras in his
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  Speaker 1: very similar mark to what it was last year when
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  Speaker 1: he put together thirty starts for the team and kind
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  Speaker 1: of had a tale of two seasons for the Nationals,
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  Speaker 1: moves over here to the Rangers, And I know the
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  Speaker 1: expectation are high and you see flashes, but what are
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  Speaker 1: you seeing since you've you know, obviously been eyes on
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  Speaker 1: all thirteen starts, do you think that he can become
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  Speaker 1: this top end, you know whatever, number two starter for
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  Speaker 1: the team.
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  Speaker 4: Oh? I think the talent is absolutely there and the
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  Speaker 4: stuff is there. Scott, I think the biggest question I
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  Speaker 4: have is the stat that I looked up last night,
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  Speaker 4: is he seems to get into these ruts where he
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  Speaker 4: loses command for a lengthy part of an inning. He's
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  Speaker 4: got last night, he walked a bait. He walked three
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  Speaker 4: guys in the first inning. It was the eighth time
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  Speaker 4: this season that he's had multiple walks in an inning.
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  Speaker 4: They account for more than half of the of the
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  Speaker 4: walks he's allowed this season. So for me, it's like
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  Speaker 4: there's there's this. It's almost like the half the two
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  Speaker 4: halves of the season that you mentioned last year. For me,
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  Speaker 4: it's almost like you've got two versions of Gore right now.
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  Speaker 4: You've got one who when he's got his command, he
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  Speaker 4: is lights out and unhittable, and you've got this other
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  Speaker 4: guy who kind of defeats himself because he's he's putting
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  Speaker 4: base runners on in bunches and piling up pitch counts
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  Speaker 4: and gets into situations in the middle innings where he
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  Speaker 4: just can't he can't execute. So I just look for
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more consistency in the strike zone, and
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  Speaker 4: I think that this guy should eventually be able to
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  Speaker 4: make quicker adjustments in games. And if he's able to
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  Speaker 4: do that with the ability he's got with that fastball
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  Speaker 4: and that breaking ball, he has got the ability to
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  Speaker 4: be a really top tier pitcher.
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  Speaker 5: You, Evan.
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  Speaker 3: The reason the Rangers in this is it because the
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  Speaker 3: American League West is just sad this year. The Mariners
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  Speaker 3: haven't run away with it obviously, the Astros aren't what
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  Speaker 3: they used to be. The A's or just today hover
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  Speaker 3: around five hundred. Can the Rangers make a real run
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  Speaker 3: and do they need to make a move at the deadline,
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  Speaker 3: or is getting Segre and Langford back going to be
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  Speaker 3: good enough to keep them in this race?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Sigur and Langford. Obviously, that takes your off offensive ability.
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  Speaker 4: If those guys play to their abilities, that takes your
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  Speaker 4: offensive danger to a different level. And you've got a
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  Speaker 4: factor in the fact that Jack Peterson again is having
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  Speaker 4: a late career renaissance as well. That gives the offense
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  Speaker 4: another some other degree of elevation. I think that this
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  Speaker 4: team is benefited by the overall mediocracy of the American League.
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  Speaker 4: You know, as of yesterday, I didn't check the standings today,
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  Speaker 4: but going into yesterday they held the final wildcard spot
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  Speaker 4: at a game under five hundred. Now they've fallen a
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  Speaker 4: or a half game back of Sacramento. But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: anything can happen in the American League West, since the
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  Speaker 4: Mariners got out to such a slow start and haven't
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  Speaker 4: played like they played last year in the second half,
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  Speaker 4: particularly and the rest of the rest outside of the
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  Speaker 4: Yankees and the Jays in Cleveland, I mean, nobody is
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  Speaker 4: running away with anything. So I think there's absolutely a
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  Speaker 4: chance for the Rangers to do something in the second
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  Speaker 4: half of the season. When they've got a huge home
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  Speaker 4: field edge in the number of games play they're playing.
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  Speaker 4: In June, they're playing eighteen of twenty seven games on
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  Speaker 4: the road, and they will collect all of that back
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  Speaker 4: in the second half, so they've got a good home
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  Speaker 4: field advantage. They've got a good overall, fairly easier schedule
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  Speaker 4: than a lot of teams, and they've got two guys
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  Speaker 4: coming back who really can make a difference. At the
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  Speaker 4: trade deadline, I don't know that this team has right now,
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  Speaker 4: given what it has sent away in deals over the
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  Speaker 4: last three years, the most recent one being the five
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  Speaker 4: prospect for one package for Mackenzie Gore. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: that this team has a whole lot of capital to
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  Speaker 4: use to go out and acquire needle Moover type players,
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  Speaker 4: but I think they will go out and add some
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  Speaker 4: depth to that bullpen at the very least. And listen,
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  Speaker 4: they've also got the possibility that they'll have some starting
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  Speaker 4: rotation depth with Jordan Montgomery, who threw a live VP yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: He could start a rehab next week and be real
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  Speaker 4: depth for the starting rotation.
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  Speaker 1: Evan talk to me in depth about the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the division, and we can mostly focus on the Mariners
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  Speaker 1: since they've got the lead, and I don't really think
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  Speaker 1: they've played close to their best baseball. Like I'm watching
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  Speaker 1: them play games and I'm like, oh, this team's good.
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  Speaker 1: They're at some point they're going to take off. They're
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  Speaker 1: going to go on one of those streaks where they win,
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  Speaker 1: you know, eight out of nine or ten in a row,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, right because they have the starters where
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  Speaker 1: every day they can show up and prevent runs, and
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  Speaker 1: the offense has some streakiness to It's actually in a
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  Speaker 1: good streak right now with the power. So just curious
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  Speaker 1: for your thoughts because I still look at them right
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  Speaker 1: now and think that they could end up winning the
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  Speaker 1: division by ten games or more.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I think they're the I think they're the deepest
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  Speaker 4: team in the in the division for sure. They've got
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  Speaker 4: probably the best pitching top to bottom. When you factor
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  Speaker 4: in what they've got in their bullpen, with the with
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  Speaker 4: the depth and with the reliability of their rotation, it's
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  Speaker 4: still deeper than what the Rangers have. I think rotations
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  Speaker 4: matchup fairly well. I think the Mariners are a little
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  Speaker 4: bit deeper and more experienced than the bullpen. And the
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  Speaker 4: only thing I can say about the Mariners offense is
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  Speaker 4: I just firmly don't believe cal Raley's gonna hit one
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  Speaker 4: sixty one for the entire year. So they are going
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  Speaker 4: to go on another run. Maybe it won't be eight
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  Speaker 4: in a row, but it'll be an extended run of
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  Speaker 4: good baseball, and the Rangers are gonna The Rangers have
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  Speaker 4: benefited to this point by the fact that they have
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  Speaker 4: that Seattle hasn't run away with anything, But the Rangers
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  Speaker 4: are going to have to play their best baseball for
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  Speaker 4: an extended period of time to keep pace with the
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  Speaker 4: Seattle team that I thought was probably the favorite in
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  Speaker 4: the American League going in, just because of how far
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  Speaker 4: they got last year, how well they played, and how
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  Speaker 4: deep their pitching is. And they've got a couple of
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  Speaker 4: franchise players on offense.
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  Speaker 3: Heaven, before we let you go, I'd be remissed. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't ask you a question about this. Why are you
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  Speaker 3: so negative on Twitter? Why are you the most negative reporter?
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  Speaker 3: Because every time you tweet, fans are talking about how
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  Speaker 3: you ask stupid questions, how you're so negative about the Rangers,
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  Speaker 3: and how you have terrible, terrible tasting food.
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  Speaker 4: The other half, the other half are saying. I believe
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  Speaker 4: there was a tweet last night. I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: you guys have it, but it was. It described me
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  Speaker 4: one as a fat fuck and two as as a
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  Speaker 4: quote unquote nut hugger. I wanted to respond to the guy,
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  Speaker 4: how about these how about that brand of nuts for you?
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  Speaker 4: But I left that. I left that off of there. Listen,
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  Speaker 4: I I feel you know how I feel about Twitter. Aga.
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  Speaker 4: You know that I'm kind of smart ass, and you
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  Speaker 4: know that when you start talking about stuff on Twitter,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to give people some smart ass answers. I'll
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  Speaker 4: give them information when they ask very sincere questions, but
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: when it's starting to complain and second guests every decision
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  Speaker 4: that the manager makes in game or second guessing the lineup,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to, you know, get a little bit snarky
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  Speaker 4: at some point in time. And I think most of
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  Speaker 4: the most of the people who follow me, uh are
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  Speaker 4: are pretty happy with that. And and think it's you know,
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  Speaker 4: we're sitting at a bar and we're shooting the crap,
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  Speaker 4: and and I may say something smart ass back if
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  Speaker 4: you say something that uh that I don't agree with,
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  Speaker 4: but it's all good natured. I just think that in general,
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  Speaker 4: people seem to take Twitter now as a place to
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  Speaker 4: just air all of their grievances, and I guess it's
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  Speaker 4: been that way for a long time, but it just
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  Speaker 4: seems like there's not much of the other element out there.
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  Speaker 4: So you can decide what you whether whether you want
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  Speaker 4: me to be a Ranger's homer in your mind, or
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  Speaker 4: whether I'm too negative about the Rangers. Whatever it is,
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  Speaker 4: I probably fit the bill.
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  Speaker 2: At that point.
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  Speaker 3: At the end of your nickname unlocked, fat fuck nut,
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  Speaker 3: fat fuck nut hooker, that's just it from now on.
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  Speaker 3: In the bottom instead of emigrant, is gonna say fat
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  Speaker 3: fuck h Rangers, Pete writer.
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  Speaker 4: This is what's wrong with America today exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's the slogan for that name. And you're right, I.
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  Speaker 4: Will say this. Twitter is a weird space, and it's
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: always been a weird space. I think it still works
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  Speaker 4: for sports, and I enjoy doing it every day and
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  Speaker 4: enjoy giving folks feedback on the games, and certainly enjoy
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  Speaker 4: when there's some byplay between folks like you out there.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty teams, one team wins, even that one team that
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  Speaker 1: wins goes through ups and downs. Twitter kind of is
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  Speaker 1: for grievances. I mean, people like to complain when things
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  Speaker 1: are going well, there's not as much to talk about.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: They want to know what's going wrong. And then yeah,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: even on the article side, how many times do you
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: get to reply like, wow, I having.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Great writing on that article. I really enjoyed it.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: We actually see that on YouTube sometimes, like the comments
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: will change, But for some reason on Twitter, it's like, well,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: you don't want to be seen just being so positive
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: and nice and no one's going to care about it.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: You're like, let me find one word that I didn't
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: like and try and ask them about it.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: Listen. In general, I think that most people that I
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: encounter a tell me in person that they follow me
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: on Twitter and they love it or b I get
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: an I get a decent number of comments from people
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: who are very complimentary about things that I wrote or
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: or said in one of these arenas. And yeah, you know,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: I'm doing my own kind of YouTube stream every every
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: week right now just to answer questions from fans, and
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: the interaction there has been great, and they've been very
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: complimentary and they ask great questions and we get to
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: talk rangers for a while.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Yep, that's my favorite place YouTube's a nice spot.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Media is just certain.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Social media, as you know, fat fuck nut hugger is
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: just a cesspool of negativity, and so that's why sometimes
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: you fit in perfectly.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Thanks Jay, haven't as you can tell you.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: I'm seeing about a month, Evan, So have my barbecue ready.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: It's salty today. Yeah, it's happy.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: You know why he's happy, Evan. We're not on TV
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: today so he can say whatever he wants.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: There are and I got I got my exercise last morning, Evan.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I had my lobster roll for lunch. I'm living a
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: life here here in New England.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Are you in Boston right now?
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: No, I'm in the vineyard.
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: It is good living up there.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Been there.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Tough summer, tough summer for my son, Evan, playing spending
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: my summer in Martha's Vineyard, playing baseball, playing in theag Well, no,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: it's the Northeast League.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: But it's right there.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: But he's in the vineyard. I mean, yeah, you.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: Gets to spend two months in Martha's Vineyard. He didn't
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: have to pay. It's great.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Summer in New England is fantastic. I mean, I wish
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: I could be up there. All the time Maine and
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: in the summertime is unbelievable. It is.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: It's a great spot. I did did some years up
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: there to I love it. Evan, great catching up.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you for putting up with us as always, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: check out Evan's articles in the Dallas Morning News.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you well.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Can I ask one last question before you let me go? Sure?
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Why not?
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: No rules to depend It depends on what it is.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: It depends on what it is.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: AJ lobstroll main or Connecticut style. Uh.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: You know what's funny is I used to like them hot.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming that's Connecticut style, but I've grown to like
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: the cold better now, just because there's more. Some places
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: make the hot right, and you got to have the butter,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and you got to have the little bit of butter
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: to dip it in, right. But if you don't have that,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: then I'd rather have it cold with the mayo and
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: a little bit of the They usually put a little
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: bit of lettuce or some green stuff on it.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: But to me, it's all about you got to have
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: the perfectly buttered roll. If you don't have that, it
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: doesn't matter.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think there's a wrong choice on those styles.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Quite frankly, I love them both.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: What's your answer, though, if you have to pick one.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: If I had to pick one, I'd take cold because
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: a lot of times the hot can be can be
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: messed up if they don't do it right. But if
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: you find the right hot one, it is perfect. I
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: had a lobster roll b LT the other day. If
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: you haven't had one of those, highly recommend it.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: The right spot for the hot lobster is actually in Maine.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Go to Reds in Wounds and I forget the name
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: of the town. It's right on the river, always a line.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: It's cash only. It is a bun full of lobster
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: meat and it is butter. You can smell the sea
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: that lobster roll, and so it's number one on my list.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Scott can so he doesn't know what we're talking about,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: but he.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Also different variation of it, but we're not.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Also Evan, by the way, don't chop the lobster up.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I want the chunks. I want the big chunks. I
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: want to be able to see the little wiggly thing
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: at the end of the claw right like. I don't
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: want the chunks like I need. I don't want it
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: chopped up. I need the big chunks.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: I want to see the wiggly thing mm hmm, a.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Little wiggly piece of the click crawl. You know, you
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: gott how I'm going.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: To describe you from now on that you want to
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: see the wiggly That's that's fine. Great.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: We came up with good nicknames for both of us.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: All right, Evan, good stuff, man, talk soon you got
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: see Yeah? Nice, Oh, Nolan the singular life of an
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: American original. That's Nolan Ryan we're talking about with Tim Brown. Tim,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: great to have you on. Congratulations on the book coming out.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: How has it been received so far?
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: I think it's been received really well. It was really fun.
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: I spent last weekend in Dallas and Arlington signing books
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: at the ballpark at a bookstore there. It's really fun.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: The cool thing about it is, if you've produced something
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: like this, you sort of draw a lot of stories
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: from people, just fans and folks that you've known in
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: the past to call you and say I got a
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: Nolan Storry for it, And I honestly think, well, where
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: were you a year ago? But it's been a lot
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: of fun. I think people are enjoying thinking about Nolan
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: again or guys like Nolan again and the game like
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: it was then, you know, sort of the older folks,
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: and I think some of the younger younger generation is like, wow,
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: is that is that really how the game went? Then
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: there were guys who completed baseball games like they took
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: took the ball and then gave it back three hours later.
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: That happened. So it's been really fun.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Tim, you mentioned you were in Dallas Arlington. Is Nolan
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: considered an astro or Ranger? What is he considered?
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Because he worked for the Rangers when I played for
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: the Rangers, he was awesome to talk to.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: He was there all the time. But then a lot of.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: People also forget he was an astro for a long time.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: So which one is he considered? And which one does
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: he consider himself?
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: Honestly, I think that it depends on where you are
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: in Texas. It's a big state, you know. I think
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: wherever you are, they claim him. You know, you know,
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: he grew up what thirty minutes out of Houston. I
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: think there's a strong pole there. He's sort of considered
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: a Houston guy. But I think that what he did
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: in that last chapter of his career, right the five
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: years with the Rangers, where he basically single handedly dragged
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: that team out of bankruptcy, made them relevant, put people
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: in that ballpark. Aj there are old timers with the Rangers,
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: Tom Greeve being one, John Blake, who you guys know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: being another who insists that when Nolan signed with the
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: Rangers for that eighty nine season, everything that's happened to
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: the Rangers since then has to do with Nolan Ryan,
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: including getting a new ballpark, getting another new ballpark, going
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: to those World Series games in the early aughts, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: then winning a World Series a couple of years ago.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: There was a real fear there that franchise was headed
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: out of town and they might never have another baseball
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: team there, and everything that's happened to them said. So
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: I think to answer your question, I sort of think
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: of Nolan with that Texas across his chest, you know,
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: and sort of giving all us middle aged men a
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: reason to believe in ourselves still for a little while longer.
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: But I again, and to go back to the original point,
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: if you're in Houston, he's a Houston guy. If you're
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: in Dallas, he's a Dallas guy. If you're in Waco,
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: he's a Waco guy.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: He's a Texas guy for me since I don't live
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: there and I can keep it simple and just use
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the state in general.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: So that's help.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Well, well yeah, exactly, which is good.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, it means people want to be associated with
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Nolan Ryan so and that's what you've done here with
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the book. So, so tell us a little bit more
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: about the personality of Nolan and you know how he
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: is to talk to and deal with and the one
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: of the ultimate competitors in our sport for a long time.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: And then also like what how that turned into Hey,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: this is a really good read for people that are
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: looking for that teaser, like, hey, give me an example
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: of something in the book that I'm going to learn
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: more about that's going to blow my mind.
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: Right. I would say that the one of the reasons
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: I wrote the book, of course, is, you know, having
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: just written an entire book about Eric Kratz, I viewed
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: it as a chance to redeem myself a little bit.
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: This was more about me, you know.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: And he came when he wasn't on Tim, he came
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: on as when he wasn't on, So I'm smart.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: I was smart. I think that that a lot of
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: what I was thinking about with this book was Nolan's
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: relationship with Texas and the kind of man, uh he is,
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: the kind of player he was, and how the people
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: of Texas really came to be that he was a
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: reflection of them with his life, the way he dressed,
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: the way he talked, and he remains that guy today.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: You know, I was just in a room with him
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: a little over a year ago, and he is he
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: remained sort of, you know, a man of few words.
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: He remains a tough guy. He represents something that existed
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: at a time and still does exist in pockets of
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: the world. I really wanted to dig in on that
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: because I don't think in my lifetime and you guys
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: can perhaps speak to this, that there is there is
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: not an athlete who is more emblematic of where he's
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: from than Nolan Ryan. And I wanted to capture that.
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: And I talked to a lot of people about that,
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: and I think that was one of the really cool
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: parts about this. I spent three weeks in Alvin, right
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: out of the gate, researching this book and came to
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: understand because I really wanted to be able to talk
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: about you know, anybody could go look at his Baseball
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: reference page and say, Wow, that was kind of an
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: incredible career. But I want to answer why. I want
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: to answer how, And I think I found a lot
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: of answers in the people of Alvin. I think men, pitchers, ballplayers,
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: athletes like Nolan often come out of these places like Alvin,
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: where you have a certain set of values, where people
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: work hard, where it can be difficult at times, where
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: it's very blue collar. And I think Nolan had a
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: very working man's career and I think a lot of
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: that reflects on Alvin.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Kim.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Can Nolan Ryan go anywhere in Alvin, Texas without people
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: stopping him?
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: This is sort of the beauty of being Nolan Ryan
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: in Texas is that people sort of leave him be.
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: He doesn't live in Alvin anymore. He lives closer to
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: Round Rock where they own that minor league team, and
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: his two sons, Red and Reese live in the area,
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: so his grandchildren are there, and he's also near one
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: of his ranches there and I think he moves around
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: pretty well. And I think one of the interesting parts
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: about connecting with Nolan now is he is going through
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: but a lot of us are going to go through
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: which is that aging process. I think it's particularly difficult
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: for those of us, those of them, let's say, who
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: were great athletes, tough guys who relied so much on
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: the physicality of their day to day. And you know,
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: he told Reese just recently, he says, you know, getting
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: old is not for the week. And so I think
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: he's beginning to consider that. When when I talked about
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: that very thing about moving around in the world, he said, yeah,
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: I don't get recognized quite as much. You know, Father
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: Time's taking care of that.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Tim.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Does it bother Nolan that he never won a cy
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Young or he never won a World Series? Does Did
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: he bring that up at all? Because that's one of
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: the most unbelievable things. The World Series is more of
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: a team thing. But Nolan Ryan never won a cy
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Young with all the strikeouts and all the no hitters,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: but ever got that personal award?
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think bothers too strong. I think he recognizes it.
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: I would I would suggest that he did win a
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: World Series with the Mets, right, but he never really
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: felt part of that team. That was that was at
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: the time of his life when he was figuring himself out,
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: figuring out his mechanics. Uh, you know, the city expected
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: the next Tom sever right away and and Nolan uh
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: wasn't ready to be that guy yet. But I think
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: that the I think Nolan has come to terms with
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: the cy Young thing.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: It was sort of a bad timing thing. His best
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: seasons were, for example, also Jim Palmer's best seasons and
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: or Fernando Balezuela. Is that amazing his first season? And
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: Nolan was on a lot of mediocre teams. And at
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: the time, as you guys well remember us voters. I
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: wasn't voting then, but the voters looked a lot at
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: Pitchers records for cy Young and being on mediocre teams,
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: having historically low run support over the course of his
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: career left him with a lot of like weird, sort
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: of averagey looking records, right, eighteen and fourteen or sixteen
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: and twelve, things like that. So, uh, you know, I
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: did go searching for all right, I'm going to find
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: one year where he was absolutely robbed. What I found
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: was a lot of years you could have voted for
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: Nolan Ryan, but no years where I thought this was
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: cut and dry, he should have won, and he just
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: lost out because of a record thing.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Tim, By the way, I know they won a World
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Series and sixteen Oine of the Mets he didn't win
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: a game. So people are crushing me in the chat.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Thank you for correcting that.
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: Yes, that was more saying the game in the World Series.
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: He does have a World Series save.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: True, So it's like Mark Burley. Mark Burley has a
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: World Series save. Who would have thunked that?
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: But old Ryan, you think of all this stuff, the
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: one thing we also have to talk about it and
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I know you hit this in the book was the
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Robin Ventura fight. We use it on charge amount all
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: the time. It's one of the most famous fights of
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: all time, just because one everyone loves Nolan and two
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Robin Venture was like the last guy on Earth you
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: would expect to charge the mount. And I've heard Robin's version.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I've actually never heard Nolan's version of it. But one
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: of the bigger things, what did Nolan say about that?
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Because I don't think that Nolan Ryan was expecting Robin
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Venture to charge the mount?
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: No.
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: Well, I went going back to research that season. What
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: I realized is that the Rangers in the White Sox
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: had been throwing at each other all year and that
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: this had been bubbling bubbling. You know, we have a
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: sense of the story now is that there was a
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: decision in the White Sox clubhouse. Okay, the next guy
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: that gets hit by a Ranger pitchers got to go out,
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: and just so happened that it was Robin Ventura who
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: got hit by Nolan Ryan, which is why you see
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: I think why you see Nolan or Robin really sort
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: of hesitate out of the box. He's like, oh, yeah,
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: I agreed to this thing to do. You know, I
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: came at this from because I think everybody sort of
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: knows that has seen the video a thousand times. I
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: came at it nineteen years later Robin. The first game
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: Robin managed with the White Sox was in Texas and
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: Nolan was a president of the Rangers, and an hour
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: or so before that game, Nolan felt like it was
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: important to go down and knock on Robin's door and
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: hold out his hand and tell him there was no
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: hard feelings. They had a conversation. It was closure as
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: far as Nolan's concerned. And you know, it's funny. I
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: think Nolan is still somewhat perplexed at how it remained
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: such a big thing all these years later, and I
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: came at it. I think I think I did very
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: empathetically toward Robin, because I do. There's this thing in
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: me is that he was such a good player, such
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: an elegant player, such a good guy. That and his
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: career was a that that he would be remembered for
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: this ten seconds of his career seems a little unfair
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: to me, and I think it's it looks it feels
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: unfair to Nolan as well. So to answer your question,
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: I think he thinks it's a shame that when people
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: think of Robin Mantuurr, they think of this one day.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: Tim.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I'm mad I missed that encounter. I was on that team.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I was on the White Sox and I didn't even
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: know that happened.
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: I was so you could have gotten hit and you
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: wouldn't have gone out and gotten in trouble.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Then No, but I but I know, I meant I
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: was on the team. When Nolan went in and apologized
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: to Robin, I'm not that old, Tim, Come on, give
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: me a little credit.
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: I'm just trying.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: That's like, that's what Tim. That's like people say, Oh,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: you're old. You played against babe Ruth. I'm like, no,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I didn't face Nolan Ryan. He pitched her like forty
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: years Nolan Ryan is awesome, But man, I wish I
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: would have known that I would have been in that office.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I would have been stirring the pot. I would been like, Robin,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: he kicked your ass, man, he freaking punched you on
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: top of the head. Now's your chance get that old man.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: And no. One probably still would have went about their
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: ass Nolan.
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: When Nolan mentioned to somebody in his office, he goes, yeah,
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: you know, I feel bad. Robin's going to get booed today.
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: That's too bad. It's his first game and everything. The
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: guy turned him and went, oh, no, he's been getting
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: booed here for years. It's not going to feel any
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: different to him at all.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: That's good, that's awesome.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Hey.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: By the way, Kratz, even though he's not here, did
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: have a little barbed to send back your way.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: He said, yeah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: He basically said that you've disappointed some people, especially during
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: your appearances in the past, when they find out that
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: it's not the legendary football player Tim Brown appearing in
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a town near them and and getting confused thinking initially
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: that Tim Brown the great wide receiver didn't write a
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: book about Nolan Ryant.
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: That's fair. I'll wear that.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Give him a tip of the cap back. He said
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: that that something that did happen, right, Did we ever
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: bring this up on the show when we've had you on.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: It happened at a golf event. Somebody thought they were
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: going to play against Tim Brown.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: Well, I would. I would play in these like little
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: charity events. And if I think, you know, when I
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: was like a columnist at the LA Times or whatever,
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: and I think if they ran out of like celebrities,
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: they would just slap the local newspaper columnist on a
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: cart and okay, I guess you know you're the guy.
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: And it was it always felt so terrible when I
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: walked up and realized that that I was like the
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: group's guy, because I was just a nobody and I
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: could see people arriving and looking going, hey, we get
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: to play with Tim Brown, and then I would walk
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: up and and it would be like five hours of disappointment.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: So yeah, that's what we get.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Two hours of disappointment.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Perfect, you got it back, We got we got last laugh.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Tim, Well, thank you so much for joining us and
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: giving us a little more info on Nolan. And there's
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: obviously nine thousand X then from this conversation in the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: book itself, So everyone check it out, get it wherever
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: you can get your books. The book tour continues to
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: for Tim, I think I've got you in North Carolina
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: coming up next in four days?
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Does that sound right?
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: I live in North Carolina now, okay, yeah, so come
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: see me and Raleigh in a couple of weeks.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Perfect, Okay, I see that. Well, there's the book.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Nice cover, looking great, Tim, Thank you again, great to
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: catch up with you.
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: Thank you, Ellens. Appreciate you