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E50: When Compassion Becomes Control - Canada's MAiD and the Slippery Slope · The Junto Podcast

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Hello, America. Welcome to the Junto podcast, where we promote the practical
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applications of critical thinking and bold creativity.
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I'm your host, Edgar Mills. Thank you for,
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Welcome back. Thanks for sticking
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with me. Today, we're talking about a unique topic, a tough topic.
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State-sanctioned death in Canada. And we're talking about Canada specifically
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because this is what I've been reading about lately.
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And they have led the way on this medically-assisted death or medically-assisted suicide or whatever.
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You guys know that I'm a libertarian And I'm somewhat conservative In some of
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the policies You know, governmental type policies,
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But I don't like the idea That the state.
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Can put someone to death Because whatever reasons the state thinks Is a good reason I see this,
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Individual liberty, right, if you want to kill yourself, that's on you.
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You can get a life insurance policy that will probably cover that, but I don't know.
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But individual liberty, that's the foundation of free world,
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good people, individual liberty.
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And as a libertarian, as anybody, we should, I do, and we should all hold our
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personal freedoms as something that's sacred.
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And unassailable and, well, in the words of the Constitution, unalienable.
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When the government gets involved, there always exists a risk of overstepping
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their power and violating individual rights.
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And so we want to keep the government involvement as minimal as humanly possible in our lives.
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That's the way i look at it and please pardon my pardon me for coughing and whatnot,
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state ordained euthanasia well that does definitely betray our individual freedom
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but in a roundabout way so they've they've legalized this in canada now since 2016 and we'll get to,
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And they call it medical assistance in dying.
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And then they've made an acronym that's MADE to make it sound benign. You know what I mean?
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Just like a product. You're watching a commercial on TV, MADE.
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Oh, check out MADE. Ask your doctor if MADE is right for you.
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This is a massive betrayal of what liberty means as an individual.
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And agency and autonomy.
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At first...
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They sold it as a compassionate way to help ease suffering for people who have terminal illnesses.
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And even libertarians and even conservatives and anyone who's ever watched a
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family member suffer through a terminal illness and ultimately die in agony.
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You can see that, right?
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You're like, yes, that is a compassionate way.
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If they are terminally ill and they fully consent in their right mind to choose
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the day of their passing, in a painless way,
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that seems very compassionate.
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And it might be. There's an argument for it. There is an argument for it.
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But what do governments do? What happens when government gets involved with anything?
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Government exists to expand and
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consume that's what governments do they
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expand and they consume the government doesn't create anything the government
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doesn't grant us any rights the government doesn't do anything except regulate
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us and and infringe on our rights and take our money They consume our hard-earned money.
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Now, MAID, this medically assisted, medical assistance in dying,
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MAID, and that's what we'll call it from the rest of the time, MAID.
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Not so it sounds innocuous and whatnot, but for brevity.
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It's already evolving into a system where a state.
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Manages, right, who ends their life and when.
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And bureaucrats get involved, and they twist the whole idea of compassion into
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a governmental cost formula.
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And in the end, if this continues on in Canada, and eventually,
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if numbers look good enough, right, other Western nations are going to adopt it.
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First world countries, you know, first world countries who have first world
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problems, but they're going to look at this as a way to manage money and have
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more control over the population.
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And it's going to lead to some bizarre futuristic dystopia where government
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panels and bureaucrats decides who lives and who dies and under what parameters.
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All the time pretending that it's about mercy and compassion. That's going to happen.
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Oh, well, you're just saying that. It's hyperbole, Edgar. No,
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look at the history of what government does. And I'll say this.
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Do you want Donald J. Trump deciding who gets to live or die by death panel review?
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Do you want Benjamin Netanyahu deciding who gets to live and die by death panel?
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Or what about Starmer? What about Britain's Keir Starmer?
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Do you want him to sign him?
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Who sits on that panel or maybe even, I don't know, the Ayatollah.
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Well, rest his soul, right?
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But why would you want anyone determining who gets, because they just pick and choose, right?
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All these bureaucrats are just appointed, right? There's no election.
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Why would you even want to vote? I don't even want to vote on who gets to choose
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whether or not I live or die. I don't trust anyone.
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Excuse me, I don't trust anyone to make that decision, but God,
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not even myself, not even myself.
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Yeah. So how did Canada get there, man?
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They, well, they started, this was, they started this back,
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the bill passed in 2016 and they called a bill C-14 and there was a Supreme
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court in Canada, there was a Supreme court ruling that, um,
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knocked down an old law that, that banned assisted suicide.
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And that, that ruling focused on people with severe, uh, terminal conditions.
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Yeah. And you're thinking, oh yeah, I mean, terminal conditions,
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they should be, yeah, if they don't want to suffer until they die.
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Right. I mean, you understand it, right?
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And death was for terminal patients whose death looked imminent.
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And they kept that very narrow. Those parameters were very narrow at first,
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just for terminal patients.
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Well, within five years, amendment to the bill or a new bill opened it up to
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where it was not just terminally ill, but now it's people with ongoing chronic
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issues, Even if death was not imminent,
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So I have chronic pain Yeah, in my ankles and knees And I have chronic headaches And.
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Should I just be able to go to a doc and go, hey, man, just put me down?
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And if so, is a doc going to be like, okay, right on.
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Sign the approval, you know, the prescription for death, and then just send
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me down the hall to get, is that how it's going to work?
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So even if it's by my own choice, man, should the government do it or be the deciders?
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And even now, so that took five years to open that up a little bit.
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Well, another five years later, here we are in 2026.
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By the year 2027, they're planning to expand these parameters to encompass mental
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illness as a loan qualifier.
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Yeah, mental illness. Now, there's, you know, classifications of mental illnesses are vast.
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And who gets to decide that?
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There's just so many fail points along the way.
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So in 10 years, they've gone from terminally ill, imminent death to,
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hey, if you've got a mental illness, you could be put down.
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Now, if you've got a mental illness, are you able to consent?
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I mean, there's just so many questions. I don't even want to go down that road right now.
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There's just so many questions. And this shows exactly, just this example alone
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shows you exactly how government programs do, what government programs do.
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They start small, then they take a foothold, and then they expand and grow and
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consume like a virus. They spread.
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That's what government programs do.
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They go way beyond original intent.
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That original intent just got their foot in the door are they protecting your freedom,
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to die at their hand they're not protecting your freedoms what they're doing
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is setting up the conditions to completely usurp your freedom to live is what they're doing,
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look at some numbers.
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We only have numbers as of 2024, just the newest released numbers.
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Since the enactment or the enacting of the MAID program, over 76,000 Canadians
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have died under that program.
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In 2024, 16,500 people died under the MAID program.
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That is 5.1% of all deaths in Canada.
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That's the fifth leading cause of death in Canada.
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The fifth behind cancer and heart disease and stuff like that.
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Accidents, I think, outpace it a little bit. Fifth leading cause of death.
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And the danger and what is happening and has happened and continues to be a
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danger is that people normalize the state run death option,
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just like they've normalized abortion.
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Now I'm against abortion. I'll just tell you now.
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And I have a lot of friends, even family members who are not against it,
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and that doesn't change our relationship, okay?
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So let me just throw that out there, but I'm telling you I'm against abortion, okay?
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Because it ends, well, innocent life, for sure, and among other things.
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But in Canada, they had, as of 2024, well, in 2024, about 101,000 abortions in 2024.
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How many were in the U.S. in 2024?
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How many infants died in 2024?
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1.14 million. Yeah.
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So anyway, I'm just pointing out what happens when the government gets in the death business.
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Both euthanasia and abortion, in my opinion, cheapen human life.
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They devalue human life.
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And you get inoculated to human death and suddenly life doesn't mean as much.
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It doesn't bother you as much to see somebody die.
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Of the mechanism. And I oppose both of those, by the way, just personally,
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with caveats, of course.
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I'm not an absolutist, good people. I understand there's exceptions to everything.
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But abortion supporters, they've accepted, whether it's maliciously,
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selfishly, or ignorantly, either one, that life begins, they've accepted that life begins at birth.
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And that's scientifically not the case now i'm just going to say it now in the
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show notes on spotify i'm going to have all the references that i used for any
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references to abortion all right,
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and primarily there's one it was northwestern university in 2016 that discovered
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this spark of they call it the zinc flash or something like that that that that
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sparks life folks And if you don't believe it,
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okay, but there are thousands of scientists that do.
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And if you don't like that, right, the spark of life don't mean anything.
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It's just a clump of cells.
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To me, universally, a heartbeat is a sign of life.
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I mean, how do you know when somebody's dead? Their heart stops beating,
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right? So how do you know if they're alive?
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Anyway, that's another topic. I'm going to have all these references in here.
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To include some references that talk about the political side of that and,
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you know, the value of life in a political blah, blah, blah. It's all there.
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So anyway, abortion. Never mind that. It cheapens life, folks.
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Abortion cheapens life.
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Euthanasia cheapens life. It devalues life.
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So the people who are on board with both of these, or if you're on board with
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one and not the other, then I don't understand your logic.
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Both abortion and euthanasia, well,
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they treat the unborn for sure, but the elderly or the disabled or even mentally
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ill as expendable things that can be thrown away when they don't fit whatever
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idea of usefulness or convenience or whatever.
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Or whenever you've made a life-altering mistake out of carelessness or for whatever
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reason you've made a mistake, so now you can murder a human and move on and enjoy your life.
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And many people celebrate that, and that's sad to me.
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But this setup turns death into sort of a gold governmental task instead of
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a natural part of life and the respect for human life that I think we should all have,
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made as the fifth leading cause of death.
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It takes what they pitched as acts of mercy, right? That was the pitch.
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Compassion for the terminal. And they turn these things, slowly but surely via
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policy, into everyday routine for a small fee, of course.
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I mean, taxpayers will pick up that fee. I'm sure.
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And these numbers that I said, there's nothing compassionate about those numbers, folks.
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They don't scream compassion to me at all.
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What they do is they subtly whisper very, very, very dark things.
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That lead to a cultural shift where people accept the state as the arbiter of death.
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And some people out there, just beyond me, why, they want political officials
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and bureaucrats making decisions for them.
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I guess it takes the responsibility out of it all. I guess.
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All right. So, some of the parameters, right?
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Clearly, they sold that, and they're still kind of holding on to it a little
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bit, but consent, good people, consent.
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I can see that a terminally ill patient, at the end of their life,
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in constant pain, if they have their wits about them, I can see that they would
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say, yes, just, I don't want to be a burden on my family.
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I don't want to be a burden on the system. I don't want to be a burden on this and that and the other.
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I don't want to suck dollars as I'm sitting here suffering.
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Please, let's put just an end to it. I can see it. I can see it.
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But now, as this goes on and on, it's 10 years old now in Canada.
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We're starting to see stories come out where MAID has blurred lines from consent into coercion.
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And that real and true freedom of choice is manipulated.
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Yeah. And this definitely contradicts core libertarian ideals of all things being voluntary.
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Without any coercion, without any force.
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Now, originally, Canadian law did require...
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Said clear and repeated consent, and they banned the outright force of euthanasia.
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They banned that. They explicitly did.
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But weak spots in policy, folks, there's always weak spots. There's always loopholes.
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I think they're purposely put in, even.
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And those loopholes open the door to abuse, misuse for whatever agenda, whatever it is.
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So I'll give you a couple for instances.
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There has been veterans in Canada getting treated or helped for PTSD and then
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have received unsolicited offers to partake in this MAID program.
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Yeah. Hey, man, I know you're dealing with stuff right now, but why don't you just kill yourself?
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Folks, that's what we're trying to avoid.
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And that's what we're trying to avoid, people. Don't, oh yeah,
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just kill yourself. Here, we'll help you.
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Health care officials and workers have suggested to homeless people who have turned down, you know,
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long-term care or, Or there's a lot of homeless people out there that reject
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the system and don't want to be a part of it and would rather be homeless than
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to be in whatever structure.
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They have been suggested to partake in the MAID program.
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These patients have received unsolicited advice on checking into the MAID program.
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Like, hey, maybe this is for you.
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Widows, widows who are already suffering deep emotional turmoil at the loss
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of a loved one, a husband, have been offered to just go ahead and end it all.
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From medical professionals in Canada.
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Oh my God, good people. This raises all sorts of red flags about undue influence and coercion.
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Undue influence and coercion. Now, there was an instance where a woman did go through with it.
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And after the fact, They looked into that they thought that her husband pushed her into it.
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And at some point, she withdrew her consent, and it still went forward,
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and she still was put down.
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So now you've got, never mind government with ulterior motives,
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now you've got maybe family members with ulterior motives.
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And we mentioned just a minute ago What about people with mental illness Who
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are they competent To consent Who gives consent for them.
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And then there's other, like, now you've got a certain sect of medical professionals,
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much like with abortion, who are like, yeah, here, do this first.
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Take this as your first course of action. So now you've got people shopping
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around trying to find the doctor or the panel who's going to just go ahead and
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give the consent, you know, give their recommendation to go ahead and end it all.
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Yeah. And then critics, vocal critics of this talked about the involuntary euthanasia.
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And there is talk of, even in America, there's been talk of doing post-birth abortions.
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Abortions all the way up to a birth. And then post, that's just,
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or what about involuntary putting down elderly in these who've been abandoned?
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And, you know, they're in these old folks home, retirement homes that are just
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anybody not doing well, you know, mentally. Yeah.
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Who can't consent? An infant can't consent, good people. A lot of old people
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can't consent. They don't have, they're not in their right mind.
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So people who were called conspiracy theorists raised these questions,
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basically calling it homicide, which is true, well before this law got passed.
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And now slowly, as time passes, we're seeing these things. They're not one-off, folks.
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These ain't things that are just, oh, well, that's just coincidence.
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No. What it's highlighting, what it's showing us is that the system as it is,
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where if you're poor or disabled or alone and, you know, mentally distraught,
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you can be, you know, gently or, you know,
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guided into making very, very definite choices, right?
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And then consent is nothing but, that's just semantics at that point.
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Getting manipulated into a thing. There's no such thing as consent when somebody's coercing you.
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For whatever agenda. For whatever agenda.
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But hey, the homeless problem solved, right?
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Folks, this is a very dystopian solution.
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I'm thinking right now of Soylent Green. I mean, not only were people dying
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involuntarily, but then they were being turned into food.
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Is that extreme? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know, man.
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So the solution to this elderly problem of, you know, elderly people being abandoned
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by their families or homeless problem or mental illness problem,
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well, the government is not a scalpel, good people. It's a hammer.
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And that solution, that hammer, is death, either voluntary or potentially involuntary.
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I do not like it. I do not like it. And you're like, Edgar, you're a man of
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free will. You could choose to die if you want to.
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Well, guess what? I can. That's right. I can. That's on me.
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It's exclusively on me. Well, thank God.
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Again, I could walk out of the house today and a tree fall on me.
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Or I could sit and choose to, okay, I'm going to end it all and swallow a bottle
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full of pills and fade away, whatever.
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I could do that. That's my decision. However selfish it may be or however much
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damage it may leave in its wake, but that would be my choice alone.
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Not a government panel, not a doctor who don't like me much anyway. You know what I mean?
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All of this stuff, this maid, this assisted death,
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it has its roots good people and like
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most things government big government it has its roots in socialism and and
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leftist ideology and marxism yeah it does you're just i'm just trying you're
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just conflating the two edgar to make it make you know to shit on socialism
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yeah i do shit on socialism um,
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The passing of such a law, all it does is gives legitimacy to all these conspiracy
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theories that 15, 20 years ago, people were like, yes, sooner or later,
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the government's just going to be trying to kill you.
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And you were called an idiot. You were called conspiracy theorist and whatever.
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And look, there is a freaking law now in existence.
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Stuff gives legitimacy to these conspiracy theories.
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But how do I tie it to Marxism? Well, under Marxism, a person's value is tied to the labor, right?
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And everybody's got to do their part and each to their, you know,
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whatever means and needs and whatnot.
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But the individual is secondary to the collective or the party.
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Yeah, that's what it is. And in a welfare state where resources are kind of scarce, right?
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Money, you run out of money eventually, right? That's why our budget between
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the military and the second biggest suck on U.S.
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Tax dollars are entitlements.
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Yeah, and everybody moans about the military. but nobody moans about entitlements.
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Well, entitlements aren't going to save us from an invasion,
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for sure. We need a strong military.
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We don't necessarily need to be going around invading when everybody is not
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on the Rothschild banking system or whatnot.
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But we do need a strong military. But do we need all the entitlements?
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Well, if you're trying to get rid of Social Security, Edgar,
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you're just stealing money, blah, blah, blah.
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Well, that was a scheme to begin with, and it needs to go away.
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I agree with it. I agree that it needs to go away.
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But there's probably a smarter way to do it, right?
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There's probably a smart way to do it.
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But half the nation don't even want to entertain the idea.
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Anyway, Marxism. In a welfare state, which we are. We are a welfare state.
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What?
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Have unlimited resources. And eventually, people who are elderly,
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people who are disabled,
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people who are deemed nonproductive, will become seen as a burden on a system.
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To be pitied, for sure. Yeah, to be pitied.
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And if we could start a program to help them, Okay, but right now,
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those resources are very thin.
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And yeah, yeah, they're going to become seen.
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They're going to be seen as a burden, a drain on the system.
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Now, I was saying things like elderly and physically disabled and mentally incapacitated.
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Of the people who died under the MAID program, 96% of those people cited losing
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fun activities or unbearable pain.
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That's it. I wasn't having fun anymore or I have headaches a lot. It's unbearable.
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Folks, I'm here to tell you that what is bearable and unbearable is there's
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a, you don't, you don't know what unbearable is. There's a lot.
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Most of us will never know what unbearable is.
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So this program, 96% of those people say the loss of fun activities or unbearable pain.
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So they've just essentially devalued life to, well, if it isn't fulfilling, do yourself in.
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So first it starts out, and I'm not going to judge the people who choose to
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die. Even people who commit suicide.
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I do think to a degree it's a little selfish, especially if you're young or
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especially if you're perfectly able-bodied.
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Or if you have a young family or all these things where young men die.
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There's a little bit of selfishness in there, but that selfishness is clouded
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by, well, you know, you don't feel there's a lack of worth, of self-worth.
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There's all kinds of reasons.
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Look, I'm not even pretending that I can get into all that.
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But first, the individual chose death out of depression or angst or just,
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god dang, whatever else, etc.
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Think, well, that's their individual choice and that's their individual right. And it is.
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But when the state steps in, folks, when the state steps in,
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the state is going to eventually, and it's just the way it is,
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look at history, the state is going to start to make those choices for us.
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And you're going to lose that individual right, that autonomy to pick and choose.
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And it just leads to a normalized culture of death.
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Socialized health care already rations medicine and services.
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And before you know it, they're going to be rationing life.
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That's what abortion is, rationing life.
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This new life will be a burden on this existing life.
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So it gets ratioed, man. and it gets sold off for body parts.
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And yeah, libertarianism stresses owning your own body without the state meddling in it.
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Doesn't. Socialism is a centralized decision-making,
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top-down control, and it's going to evolve just like the movies and the novels
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tell us it's going to evolve, where they're going to start labeling people,
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the people who are disposable.
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And it's going to become a way to cut costs.
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But initially, it's going to be dressed as compassion and kindness,
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mercy, mercy for the suffering.
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Now, you want to, we always talk about, well, we don't always,
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but the fallacies, right?
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Well, the slippery slope fallacy, Edgar.
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If we follow this down its logical path, and I'm not talking about its conspiratorial path, right?
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If we follow state-sanctioned death down its logical path, it is going to lead
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us into the world that we've read about in the various novels.
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Friggin' Soylent Green, Brave New World, Logan's Run. We're a bureaucratic...
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Faceless bureaucratic party officials sit on mundane,
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routine death panels and they select the face of thousands of people based on subjective analysis.
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Yeah. Whether they use pain level as a thing or how much this human costs to
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exist without producing,
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whatever their metric, is, it's going to be, that's what it's going to be to choose your value.
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And you no longer are going to have much say in that.
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That's not a slippery slope fallacy, folks. It's here. It's, we've seen it.
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In 10 years, since 2016, this law has gone from terminal cases with imminent
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death to chronic pain, no imminent death,
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soon-to-be mental health issues as the sole qualifier.
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That's happened all in under a decade.
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So you tell me how slippery that slope is. Yeah, that's how fast so-called protections
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and safeguards disappear under a government agenda.
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As libertarians you know I don't know I don't know what the libertarian stance
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on this well I kind of do generally speaking they're.
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Any government interference in anything, generally speaking.
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So I think I know how the libertarians think about it.
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But what about conservatives? I don't know what the standard,
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you know, conservative stance is on this because it's a very personal issue.
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Death is a very personal issue, good people. It's very personal.
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And I did a podcast on death not too long ago when my Aunt Pat passed away.
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So I'm not sure where, but whoever it is, even liberals, good people.
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We should fight this dynamic, this government-sanctioned death.
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We should fight it. And not for some preachy Christian moral reason,
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even though, yes, all that exists,
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but to put up a safeguard and to fight for our individual freedoms to keep the
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state from taking it over.
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Now, as a liberal, I ask you this. Do you oppose the death penalty?
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And why? And if your answer is I do oppose the death penalty because of consent,
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then we've got to look at everything I brought up as a potential coercion and
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usurpation of that consent via MAID.
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And if you oppose the death penalty because of consent, because it's cruel and
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unusual, then what about abortion?
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So there's a lot of weird interconnectivity here that I see a lot of people
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be kind of, what you call it, inconsistent on.
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Yeah. We should fight against this, folks. We should fight against it.
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I told you all in another podcast, I can't remember exactly what I was talking
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about, but about the death penalty.
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And I say this a lot to people when I talk about
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intellectual consistency I'm opposed to abortion but I used to be and I still
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believe that some people need killing but I'm opposed to the death penalty as,
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being delivered by the state because I know the state is flawed because I know
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courts are flawed because I know juries are flawed because lawyers are greasy and,
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And technology, the advancements in technology,
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you know, I don't know the numbers overall in America, but there have been several,
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many men who were imprisoned who, due to technology, got exonerated.
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And probably a few of those on death row, even.
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So technology is always evolving.
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To put somebody to death and then 20 years later go, man, we're sorry.
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Unacceptable, man. Unacceptable.
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That being said, there are some people that need killing.
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So my point to all that was, I changed my stance on the death penalty some years
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ago because it's inconsistent with my stance on abortion that life is precious.
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All life is precious and that
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a dude convicted of a
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heinous crime could potentially redeem himself good people that's between him
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and Jesus but it's possible and for you to make the decision or for the state
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to make the decision is it's unsat because there's agenda there's coercion.
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Again, it's not to be preachy, right? It's not to, that's not why we fight.
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We fight it to maintain control of our own freedom, of our own autonomy and whatnot.
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Because once the state can kill legally, it will abuse the power.
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That's the history of the state. That's the history of the government.
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You give it an inch, it takes a mile. Once it can kill legally,
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it will abuse that power.
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And Canada is a warning to all the other Western nations, good people.
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If you hand the government the right to impose death by law,
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death becomes common policy, and policy gets twisted and abused without fail.
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Look at any program. Look at any government program.
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So what do you think about it? Is that the future you want?
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And if yes is the answer to that Well what if the other side's in charge,
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Do you want the other side to be in charge of Picking and choosing Which American citizens,
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Get dead and when What if the other guy's in charge Think about it,
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Alright good people That was what I wanted to talk about today It's a little
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short But pointed And I'm sure I'll get some hate mail On the abortion my abortion opinion.
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But again, that's my opinion. I'm entitled to it. And you're entitled to yours.
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So do reach out. Yeah, do give me some feedback. I'm eager to hear it.
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