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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 383 - Talking Tippit · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: Repent of any saint's juice.
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  Speaker 2: Gee up the True down.
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  Speaker 3: A rail from the Junislam, David Beard being the.
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  Speaker 2: Stood in the pure awenness. It's rainy nights, shill the lights,
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  Speaker 2: the reconsult side.
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  Speaker 1: Never been rides friend of.
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  Speaker 2: The Basting Year and then refree from.
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  Speaker 1: Juice and here we go. What's up? Everybody? Welcome in,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome in. This is the Lone Guming Podcast. This is
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  Speaker 1: episode three eight three. We're gonna be talking some Tippet. Hopefully,
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  Speaker 1: uh Matt is not here yet. I think he's having
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  Speaker 1: some difficulty getting into the studio, but hopefully he joins
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  Speaker 1: us shortly. Ah, so we will scuse a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, before Matt gets here. Let's welcome everybody
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  Speaker 1: in to the show. Let's see here south to west
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  Speaker 1: gold medal, Roger went to silver. What's up Roger? Talk
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  Speaker 1: about Tippet's side? Well, we will Tray pulling up for
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  Speaker 1: the bronze again again, Tiny, you didn't make it to
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  Speaker 1: the medal ceremony this evening. That's okay, you're here, Sally, Sally,
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  Speaker 1: Sally is up in here. Tuobs, yes, thank f it's Friday.
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  Speaker 1: You got that right, Tubes. Although now it's Saturday. In
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  Speaker 1: your neck. Paul Vine's up in the house. Pete Williams
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  Speaker 1: up in the house. Yeah, Peter Williams. Zendar, what is up? Zendar?
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  Speaker 1: Moose Heaven up in the house, Paul Anichi, Claude Nan
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  Speaker 1: you Dean up in the house. Get her all little
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  Speaker 1: greased up, claud because, uh, we're gonna get into weeds tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Jack Taylor up in the house. James, what's up? James? Hello,
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  Speaker 1: Scott Scott, Timothy Ryan up in the house from phil
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  Speaker 1: A representing the phil ad Oh shit, yeah, so welcome in, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome in. Uh. We will be talking some tippet here,
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  Speaker 1: trying to monitor and um maybe he should work on
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  Speaker 1: any browser. Sorry folks for the slight delay here. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's asking him to download a different browser. So hopefully
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  Speaker 1: Matt will be here shortly. We will be talking some tippet.
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  Speaker 1: I put a link to Matt's channel, his YouTube channel
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  Speaker 1: down in the description. So if you want to hear
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  Speaker 1: more from Matt and stay abreast abreast of everything Matt
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  Speaker 1: I had to move the time back a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: and I said, you know, I saw a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: people try to show up early. And although I put
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  Speaker 1: it in a description, you know, some people don't open
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  Speaker 1: it up and read. But if you hit that bell
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  Speaker 1: go live or we're going live. Welcome in Jolene. Better
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  Speaker 1: late than never. We haven't started yet, so you haven't
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  Speaker 1: missed anything. Matt is currently downloading Chrome, so he should
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  Speaker 1: be in here shortly. Again, we'll be talking tip it.
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  Speaker 1: He's been looking at tip it for a very long time.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually met Matt in Dallas seven years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and I think I was at his actually his first
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  Speaker 1: ever tip it meet up at Tinton Patton. We actually
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  Speaker 1: uh met at the conference and oh it's been so long.
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  Speaker 1: I do remember having a beer with Matt and Tink
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  Speaker 1: Thompson at a table and talking from JFK, which was
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  Speaker 1: cool as hell. Oh I think Matt is here. Hang
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  Speaker 1: on one second, I got you there, you are, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh hey, hey, Welcome in Matt. I was just telling
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  Speaker 1: everybody about when I first met you almost seven years
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  Speaker 1: ago in Dallas and we were having a beer with
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  Speaker 1: Tink Thompson.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, that is right, That is right. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Rob was at my first ever Jeddy Tippett gathering, which
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  Speaker 2: is every year on the anniversary at the murder site.
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  Speaker 1: So yep, that was awesome, awesome, and you did a
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  Speaker 1: hell of a job. And like I said, we've been
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  Speaker 1: talking tip it here on the show lately. You know
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  Speaker 1: about some things, and you know there's not many tipp
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  Speaker 1: it experts out there, if you will, and I think
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  Speaker 1: you're one of the best today.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, for those listening, I paid I paid Rob one
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  Speaker 2: hundred bucks just to say that.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's money well spent, Matt, money well spent.
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  Speaker 1: So I put a link to your YouTube channel down
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  Speaker 1: in the description for people to check it out. But
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  Speaker 1: not only are you a tippet researcher, but you have
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  Speaker 1: a debate video series over there on your channel.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, I do. Yeah, that's right, Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: For yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 1: Now people people bust my balls all the time for
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  Speaker 1: having loan numbers here on the show. Yeah, having a
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  Speaker 1: conversation with them, and they think I'm selling out or
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  Speaker 1: I'm given a maritime they shouldn't have and all of
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  Speaker 1: that nonsense. But and I don't mind talking to the
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  Speaker 1: ones that you can actually have a conversation with, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're just way out of left field. Like I've had
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  Speaker 1: Scott Mauldsley on the on the show, I've had UH,
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  Speaker 1: I've had Fred Litwin. I mean, the list goes on
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  Speaker 1: and on. But how what made you want to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the past couple of years, UH debates have been
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  Speaker 2: really big on YouTube and online and on TikTok and
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  Speaker 2: all that. I really for about like five years or
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  Speaker 2: something like that. It's just gotten more and more popular
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  Speaker 2: since everyone has access to do a show like this
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  Speaker 2: or just have a platform in general. And I always
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  Speaker 2: thought that that would be interesting to have something called
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  Speaker 2: maybe call it the JFK Debates Project or something like that,
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  Speaker 2: and that and that's what it's called. So yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I give people a platform. I say, hey, if you
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  Speaker 2: honestly believe that that Kenny was killed by a lone assassin,
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  Speaker 2: come come on, I'll give you a platform. Give me
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  Speaker 2: your best shot, you know what I mean. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: just and yeah, it's called JFK debates, but really it's
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  Speaker 2: it's it's a conversation. The word debate sounds, you know,
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  Speaker 2: fancier in the title.
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  Speaker 1: Heat that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So but everybody's like, you need to have a debate
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  Speaker 1: on your channel, you need to get Gerald positor on
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  Speaker 1: there and have a debate and all this and that,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, I just it's just not
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  Speaker 1: in my wheelhouse. Like I don't want to argue with
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  Speaker 1: somebody about something that they're You're never going to change
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  Speaker 1: their mind about whatever their their mind, you know, unless
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  Speaker 1: they come to that conclusion themselves. Which, funny enough, I
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  Speaker 1: think you told me that when you first got interested
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  Speaker 1: in all this stuff, you were actually a loan nutter
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  Speaker 1: and then you converted.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I converted in twenty fifteen, twenty twenty fifteen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so before I was a low nutter. And yes, there
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  Speaker 2: is probably one Facebook group out there that you could
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  Speaker 2: probably look back on and get some black mail material
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  Speaker 2: on me and be like, oh yeah, dude, like fourteen
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  Speaker 2: years ago, That's what I'm talking about, long day, long
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  Speaker 2: time ago, long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: I was deeply entrenched in some of the Facebook groups
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  Speaker 1: and I remember those days. I remember there's days, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not in there very much anymore. They
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  Speaker 1: drive me freaking crazy nowadays, these Facebook groups. I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't, dude, it's just yeah. Yeah, they're so cyclic,
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  Speaker 1: and you know they keep bringing the same ship up
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  Speaker 1: over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: Yard work. Yeah, it's yeah. And I'm I'm the moderator.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the creator and moderator of one.
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  Speaker 1: I won't We'll see.
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  Speaker 2: I just people mess be like, did you see what
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  Speaker 2: this person? Can I'm like, no, I give up reading
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  Speaker 2: the comments. If someone if someone's beat, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: someone has a complaint, just hit report to admin and
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  Speaker 2: I'll take care of it. You know, all complaints must
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  Speaker 2: be submitted in writing, you know, something.
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  Speaker 1: Like that, right like that? Yeah, but I do, man,
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  Speaker 1: I saw you in a documentary, if I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 2: Documentary which one?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? What is the dude's name? Was it? All? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: WILLI allarn? Yes? Yes, yes, we have a we have
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  Speaker 2: a documentary on YouTube. Yes to our video. It's called
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  Speaker 2: Solving the JFK Medical Evidence or or or rather our
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  Speaker 2: attempt to solve it in in the year twenty twenty three, So.
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  Speaker 1: That's another quagmire altogether, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I first got into this with the medical evidence
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  Speaker 2: and then it's over, and then got into it to
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  Speaker 2: the Jenny Tippet murder. So yeah, medical evidence and Jenny Tippa.
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  Speaker 2: Those are my my two wheelhouses. So okay, ask me
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  Speaker 2: some questions. I'm more of a questions person. I'm more
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  Speaker 2: of a questance person. Yeah, mhm.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, we recently did a show and I
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  Speaker 1: was we were talking about the Glacos Station incident. We
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  Speaker 1: were talking about Glacko Yeah, the Gloco station instance. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: and uh the uh Andrews pull over and the Top
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  Speaker 1: ten record store? Yes, what if they never happened? Are
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  Speaker 1: you do you believe that they happened? Let me ask
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  Speaker 1: you that first, do you believe that all three incidents
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  Speaker 1: happened and are truthful?
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  Speaker 2: Well, all we can say is this person said this,
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  Speaker 2: and this person said this. I mean, how are we
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  Speaker 2: going to measure the objective truth based on some based
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  Speaker 2: on someone's story that came out in nineteen eighty one,
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety I mean, but that goes for any
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  Speaker 2: anything that doesn't come out in sixty four, in sixty three,
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  Speaker 2: sixty four, So all I say is literally all I
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  Speaker 2: say is this person says this, and this person says this.
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  Speaker 2: So when people try to like battle with me, be like, well,
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  Speaker 2: how could you believe And I'm saying I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: I believe it. I'm just saying this is what they reported.
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, oh yeah, I'm not taking a position.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, hey, this is what this person said,
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  Speaker 2: and this is what this person said. I mean, that's all.
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  Speaker 2: That's all anyone can do, really, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, true. Because I think it was the next week
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  Speaker 1: on the members Only show, which you probably didn't see.
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  Speaker 1: I actually came across a document from nineteen sixty four,
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  Speaker 1: February sixty four, and it was the FBI interviewing JB.
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  Speaker 1: Shorty Lewis, who worked at the Glocos station. Okay, and
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  Speaker 1: that's the only document that I've ever found concerning this.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but what it.
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  Speaker 1: Said was absolutely nothing about Tippet nothing. Yeah. All he
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  Speaker 1: had to tell him was, hey, Jack Ruby used to
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  Speaker 1: stop here and get gassed every once in a while,
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  Speaker 1: and George Senator still does from time to time. And
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  Speaker 1: we get a lot of tourists here wanting to know where.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool. Book depository is and you can see it
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  Speaker 1: right across the river there, but he never mentions Tippitt
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  Speaker 1: being at its station.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, but it's him plus four other people,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, and this also goes to the whole
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  Speaker 2: problem with officials not asking the right questions or you know,
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  Speaker 2: you have to you see, that's the whole thing you
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  Speaker 2: have to say, you know, when you when you interview
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  Speaker 2: these witnesses. A lot of these a lot of information
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  Speaker 2: was not extracted in sixty three sixty four, and then
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  Speaker 2: when their interviewed later is like is there anything else?
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  Speaker 2: Sort of like with the Butch Burrows, It's like they
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  Speaker 2: asked him, did you see Oswald come in the text
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  Speaker 2: come in the texts theater? And he said and he
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  Speaker 2: said no, and that is true. But had they followed
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  Speaker 2: up did you ever see him that day? He would
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  Speaker 2: have said, oh, yeah, I saw him a little later
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  Speaker 2: and I sold him popcorn and everything. So it's very
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  Speaker 2: important that the right questions are asked and that we
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  Speaker 2: double and triple check everything. So well.
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  Speaker 1: I can understand the Vulcalans because they're just driving by
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  Speaker 1: when they happen to see who they say, is Tippett
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  Speaker 1: sitting in a police car right now. How they know
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  Speaker 1: it's tipp It in the police car as they're driving by,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe because I don't know the distance
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  Speaker 1: from where they where they were at to the Gloco station.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed to me like they were on an expressway
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  Speaker 1: or freeway maybe something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so so long story short for those who
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  Speaker 2: don't who didn't watch last who didn't watch last week's
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  Speaker 2: Shortly after the assassination, Officer Tippet was sitting in his
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  Speaker 2: patrol car at the end of the Houston Street viaduct
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  Speaker 2: at the Gloco gas station, and five witnesses who knew
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  Speaker 2: him saw him as and as if he was just
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  Speaker 2: sitting there watching the cars go by, and then he
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  Speaker 2: took off at a high rate of speed. And based
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  Speaker 2: on just that people have taken the leap to well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe he was trying, he was looking, he was waiting
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  Speaker 2: for Oswald to come on the bus or the cab.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I can't say whether that's true. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think anyone can, but that just goes to show
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  Speaker 2: how people take these leaps into things. It's sort of
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  Speaker 2: like the bus that Oswald got off on a few
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  Speaker 2: minutes later, it was held up. It was held up
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  Speaker 2: by police for like an hour, and people say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's the police trying swarming the bus. They were trying
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  Speaker 2: to look for Oswald. Sylvia Marr in nineteen sixty six,
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  Speaker 2: she just threw out the question, well, maybe they were
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  Speaker 2: looking for Oswald. And then John Armstrong in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and three he says they maybe they were out to
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  Speaker 2: kill Oswald. So you see how over time these things
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  Speaker 2: tend to get a little stretched. So all we can
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  Speaker 2: say is this happened, and this happened. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: we can never know if this happened because they were
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  Speaker 2: looking for him. Because of this all again, as I
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  Speaker 2: keep saying, all we have to do, all we can
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  Speaker 2: say is this person saw this, and this people saw that.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, like I said in the show, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if if it even means anything. Even if we
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  Speaker 1: can just take those three incidences and throw them to
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  Speaker 1: the side as not, you know, just take them out
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  Speaker 1: of the equation altogether, does it even matter if we
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  Speaker 1: really knew what tip It was doing anyway in that
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  Speaker 1: time span? You know, Yeah, because actually he was well,
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  Speaker 1: describe that area where he was killed on was it
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  Speaker 1: tenth Street? Because there was a lot of like oaks
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  Speaker 1: or oh yeah, help thugs that lived around there, including
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  Speaker 1: markham Son and.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Officer tip It was assigned to District seventy
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  Speaker 2: eight that morning. That morning he was in District seventy nine.
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  Speaker 2: Then that that afternoon he was in District eighty seven,
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  Speaker 2: eighty seven and eighty eight. And during the during the assassination,
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  Speaker 2: he was on the edge of District seventy eight, And
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  Speaker 2: then after the assassination he was racing around districts. Forgot
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  Speaker 2: the two districts, But I will have to defer to
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  Speaker 2: researcher Failed Drenas because he knows those districts off the
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  Speaker 2: back of off the back of his hand. And but
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  Speaker 2: Officer Tippett was murdered in district number ninety one. So
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 2: here to remember, lots of names and numbers and three man,
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  Speaker 2: this just goes on forever. I mean, so, no, but no,
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  Speaker 2: but right out of the gate, no, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: he was involved in the plot. But I do have
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  Speaker 2: to say, no, what the hell was he doing that day?
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  Speaker 2: Because you know, what was your question? Again? He says
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  Speaker 2: it were to describe.
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  Speaker 1: The area where he was at. I know, I think
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  Speaker 1: it was one of the dates. It might have not
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  Speaker 1: been one of the Davis sisters, but it might have been.
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  Speaker 1: And thought that that's thought that he lived next door
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  Speaker 1: or a couple of doors down, because she had seen
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  Speaker 1: his car there so often.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's kind of been hyperlaid a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: one of the eyewitnesses to the aftermath of the shooting,
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  Speaker 2: Virginia Davis. She said, I just used to see him
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  Speaker 2: there every day, and that's see him who every day,
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  Speaker 2: see Tippett, See David Bellin who was taking her deposition,
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  Speaker 2: never asked the question, and this again goes to them
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  Speaker 2: not asking the right question. It could people think that
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  Speaker 2: she was talking about Jendy Tippett. Dale Myers in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety six or ninety seven asked her and asked her
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  Speaker 2: about that we're police already there or were police already there?
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  Speaker 2: And it seems like what she was talking about with
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  Speaker 2: police were already at the where had already been there
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  Speaker 2: that morning, because that morning there had been a car
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  Speaker 2: accident at tenthon Patten. If you know the crime scene photos,
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  Speaker 2: the stop sign is knocked down, that's because there was
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  Speaker 2: a Yeah, that's because there was an accident that morning.
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  Speaker 1: Died right a dog?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, dog, dad? And even and this was mentioned way
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  Speaker 2: back in nineteen sixty four and Missus Clemens's interview with
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  Speaker 2: Shirley Martin. She said, Yeah, there was a crash here
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  Speaker 2: that morning and they just pulled the the the car
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  Speaker 2: away and a dog had died. So this goes so,
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  Speaker 2: so that's not some new thing. This is a Missus
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  Speaker 2: Clemons mentioned that story, you know, sixty two years ago.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, so but basically tenth and tenth and Patton
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  Speaker 2: Tippet is do it delay it?
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  Speaker 1: Did he have like a because I know the HCA
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  Speaker 1: interviewed Johnny Maxie Witherspoon, Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the other thing I hear all the time. Well,
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  Speaker 2: didn't you have a girlfriend right in that house that
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  Speaker 2: he parked right in front of that he was killed? No,
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  Speaker 2: she actually lived like thirty but I put the exact
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  Speaker 2: number on the live stream for the show last week.
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  Speaker 2: But she lived like thirty blocks away or something like that,
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  Speaker 2: so she live.
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  Speaker 1: Close by or something. Did who her mother was a relative?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Her mother also knew JD. Tippett. As a matter
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: of fact, I don't recall off the top of the
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: him my head where her mother lived. But I can eat,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I can find that out.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I went for some reason, it was up in my
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: brain that she was it was either her or mother
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: were living right there on tenth Street somewhere. But I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: could be wrong. I got so much jumbled information in
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: my head. You know, you know how it is?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's true that she had had JD.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Tippett's child in nineteen sixty two?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Well, that's that's that's the rumor. That could be a
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: red herring, that could just be well, according to J. D.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Tippett's family, and according uh, he had had a vasectomy,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: so apparently he was so apparently he was shooting blanks. Yes,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: so but uh but but initially Johnny, uh, the mistress
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: thought that it was his kid. So if and she
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: also said later in life, oh, it can't be his
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: kid because he had had a vasectomy. But I'm if
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: she knew he had had a vasectomy, then why would
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: she assume that it was his kid? So was there
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: kind of a bit of a cover story later to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: cover that up. I have no idea. But her ex
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: her her jealous ex husband, who has has also been
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: thought of as a possible suspect and all this. He
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: who's still alive. By the way, he's still alive. He's
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: ninety six years old. Wow, a guy named Thompson. And
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: he was very adamant. He told researcher Larry Harrison kin
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Holmes Junior. He said, yeah, yeah, that that she the daughter,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Susan was Jade Tippett's daughter. I mean he was just
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: he openly admitted. He never denied it.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: So yeah, because there was like two separate things with her.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: It was like, I know she was pregnant in nineteen
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: sixty three, but she said that they had broken up
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: in like June of sixty three.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. The act. The husband, the jealous husband,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: told a completely different story to Larry Harrison Knholmes Junior.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: They were and by the way, Larry Harris was the
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: world's leading authority on the Tippet expert. He died the
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: year I was born. Actually, he and Kinholmes Junior they
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: went to interview the husband in nineteen seventies and they
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: approached him and they said, and he was like, so
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: you think I did it? Wait and they were like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: well did you? And he said, Okay, sit down, I'll
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: tell you what happened, and he just and he just
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: told them for like two hours. He just enthralled them
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: with this I'm sorry, but bizarre, bizarre left triangle that
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that actually he and his wife, Tippet's mistress, did not
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: get back together until the next day after the assassination.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Not that they had gotten back together in the summer
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: of sixty three, but after the assassination, she came to
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: him like that evening, you know, upset and everything, and said,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: you know, crying, and said she was pregnant by Tippet,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: and then they raised the child as if it were
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: their own. So that's his story, But her story is no,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: he had had a vasectomy, even though she said she
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: kind of slipped and initially and said initially said I
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: thought that it was Tippets when I first learned that
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: she that I was pregnant. So and then she and
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: then she really downplayed her relationship with Jade Tippett. So
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Harry Livingstone asked her later on in the nineteen ninety
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: so you knew he was interviewing her for something else, well,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: he was investigating oak Cliff. But he said, so you
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: knew Officer tipp It right, she said, oh, for a
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: little while, knew him for a little while. It's like
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: they had a sexual relationship for two like two years,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: for years, That's what it says in the Interesting Reporter. Oh,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I know him a little bit, and people say, well
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: and people other people have tried to downplay it. Well,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: he was more like a big brother to her. It's like, yeah,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: big brother, who's having who you're having sex with? So
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: it's like it's but it's a very it's a very
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: sticky situation some people. Some people think it it is
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: it's a red herring. Some people think, hey, maybe we're
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: onto something here.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: But I know, because the get crazy with Tippet from
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: he was he was on the Grassy No shooting. I
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: think he was supposed to get Oswalt to the Redbird
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Airport and or he was supposed to kill Ozwalt or
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those things I don't think
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: we'll ever know the actual truth of. But let's talk
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: a little bit about the witnesses, because there's a lot
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, and it seems that they all saw
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: something completely different than the other person.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: No that you see that's what I That's what everyone said. Yeah,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: that's what everyone says. That's what I used to think.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: But about a year ago I realized, you know what,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: all these witnesses are telling us the same story, except
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: for except for like three missus Clemens, Frank Wright, and
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Jack Tatum. They're the they're what I call the other.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: The other three witnesses, we're not sure what to do
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: with them, But all the other witnesses pretty much tell
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: us the same story. A man on the sidewalk shot
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: a police officer, Jenny Tibbett by his patrol car. Uh
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: ran away around the corner and.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And fled. So some identify him as Oswald.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Some didn't, right, But depends on what you mean by identifying, Like.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Well they make a lineup rigged.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: And take them out of a lineup. Well, yeah, I
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: can con see that. There there's only four witnesses who
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: can seemingly be used as credible to identifying Lee Oswald
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: as as the supposed to kill, as allegedly the killer.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, being so close and going to tenth and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: patent so often, I'm sure in your brain when you
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: go there, you you know you can figure. Okay, Hella
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Marku was standing here, Scott sitting here, Benaviti's was over there.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Who was the closest one actually, who probably had the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: best vantage point for this thing if they were paying attention,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's Goggins was eating his lunch.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: We know Markan was trying to cross the street to
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: get to the bus stop. I don't know what the
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: hell Benavides was doing.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Ben, Yeah, it would be Domingo Benavides, who would be
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the closest one. He was, He was only fifteen feety
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: feet away in his pickup truck, almost parallel with Tippet's car.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: He got right here and the shots ran off, and
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: he pulled his truck into his pickup truck into the curb,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: and he dove to the floor of his truck and
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: head and then and then, so he was only fifteen
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: feet away from the actual murder when it happened. And
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: then he peeped up over the steering wheel and saw
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: and got a good look at the killer as he
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: fled the scene. And he gave the He gave the
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: most detailed and most exquisite detail description of the typic killer,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: which does not match Oswald in any way.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: And that's a problem.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can give you the scripture.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I can give you the description. Yeah, so he described the.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Killer this way in his testimony about five to eleven.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Had a complexion, a little bit darker than average, a
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: little bit ruddier than mine. Now he's Mexican American, so
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: he said ruddier than mine, so that's.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had had dark hair that was a little
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: bit curly. Uh, and he looked like he needed a
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: haircut for about two weeks, but the hairline that sort
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: of went square instead of tapered off in the bag.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: And that's key because uh, Domingo Benavide's was a barber,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: and and we have photos of alls of that night
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: and his hair he doesn't have that kind of a hairline.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: So yeah, everything in this everything in this description that
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: he gave does not match Oswald. So I mean, I
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: mean that's the closest and and uh, by the way,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: that was volume six pages of four fifty four fifty
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: one of his Warren commissioned testimony. And uh, he could
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: not identify Oswald as the killer, as everyone knows, he
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: could not.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Another guy shot in the head, right, No, No, that's
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: a that's.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: What a lot of people think. So what happened was
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: November twenty second, happens his brother's killed, and then he
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: and then he testifies that he can't identify Oswald, and
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: then later on he changes his story in nineteen sixty
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: seven after some Schnennigen's happens gotcha a lot. So so
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: that's actually a misnomer that his brother was killed, that
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: he changed his story after his brother was killed, But
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: actually he gave his testimony after his brother was killed.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: So that's yeah, it's a lot of yeah, a lot
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: of misnumbers about that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: So have you looked at all very much into the
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the oak Cliff gang or whatever Markham's son, Jimmy burt
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: uh and these and these other young young kids that
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: they were around, you know, freaking Havoc and Oakcliffe back then,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: because I think Markham's son didn't she say, oh I
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: knew Oswald. We called him Ozzy and this and that.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: No, that was actually her son. Yeah, a lot of
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: people don't know about this, which is very striking. Earlier
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: that month, Helen Markham, who became the star tippet witness
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: for the Warm Commission, her son was approached by Oswald
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: or a guy impersonating Oswald. He called himself Ozzy and
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: he asked him if you wanted to help him kill
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the president, and that was yeah. So we're not sure
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: what to do with that information, but that is documented
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: as one of the many Oswald sightings of all the
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: suspicious things that Oswald was supposedly or Oswald double was
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: supposedly doing that month. I mean that, I mean, that's
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: just one of many things that's in the Warren Commission
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: documents files that was known to them, But it's not
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: in the twenty six volumes or in the Warner poor
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: or anything like that. It never gets mentioned never.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I see these things all over the place,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering, you know, if it was like
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: a because he was in trouble with the law a lot,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering if he's said, well, I'm gonna
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: make some shit up and see if I can get
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: see if they'll let me off of this charge or whatever,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: you know, tell him, tell him this fantastical story and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: see what happens. But who knows.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: And the source for that is uh c D. That's
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: a Warren Commission document. Look how far they buried this
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: deep Warn Commission Document one thousand five and eighteen, pages
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: seventy three through seventy eight. So if someone in nineteen
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: sixty four sixty five wanted to figure this out, they
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: would have to go to the National Archives, open up
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Warren Commission File one thousand, five hundred and eighteen and
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: eventually on pages seventy seventy three. Then then they might
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: find this thing. But now it's easier. It's online. We
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: have the great Mary Faroh website and you can search
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: for stuff. But yeah, he was, he was. He was
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: asked by Ozzy if you would like to help him
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: kill JFK during his upcoming visit to Dallas, and that
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: was November seventh.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you about the shots on tipp It. Okay,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I haven't just from looking, and I was barely looking,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: but I was paying attention while I'm looking. I don't
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: think I remember one witness who said that there was
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: four shots.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: One did only one did only one out of all? Yeah, yeah,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: out of one. This is the you know, I'm just
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: gonna say it up front. I don't think. I don't
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: consider eye witnessed testimony to be reliable in this in
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: this case because in this case it's just really really bad.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: They tell the same story, but I'll just hear so
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to say all this in one breath.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Three people heard two shots, two people heard two or
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: three shots, five people heard three shots, two people heard
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: three or four shots, one person heard four shots, one
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: person heard four or five shots, one person heard five shots,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: one person heard six shots, three people didn't specify, and
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: two people couldn't tell. So only one out of the
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: four bullets and show that are in evidence right now,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: only one out of what twenty twenty one over twenty witnesses,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: only one person got the number of shots right.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. For some reason, when I'm reading through everything, that
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: stuck out to me, I'm like, why isn't anybody getting
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the shots? Right?
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I really.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: That's the thing with the JD. Tippitt murder is it's
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: so different from the Candy assassination. There's no subpruder film,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: there's no two hundred witnesses, there's no you know, hundreds
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: of photos take in, there's no multiple films. I mean,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: it's it's just we don't have any of that. We
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: just have an eyewitness testimony. And it's I don't consider
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the testimony in the tip tip it case to be
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: strong or reliable.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was thought maybe maybe it was because it
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: was from a pistol. You know, there's no like reloading
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: sequence you have to go through. You could just pretty
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: much ban bang ba bang, you know, and it could
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: sound like three, you know, because you can shoot a
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: lot closer together with a revolver than you a rifle.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's just my personal theory. But who
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: they will know? So let me ask you this about
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Warren Reynolds shooting mm hmm. Do you think it's connected
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: at all with with what happened to Tippett? Because I mean,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: it's right around the corner.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I've never you know what a lot of That's the
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: one thing I hear about Warren Reynolds. But you know,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: he couldn't identify Oswald and then he was shot and
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: he survived and he changed the story. You know. To me,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the Warren Reynolds story has never really been an issue
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: because the the full context is that Warren Reynolds gave
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: a police SEFFI David to the Dallas Police, which is
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: not not in the twenty six volumes as a matter
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: of fact, maybe because it was taken in January. In January,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I believe, But anyway, he was interviewed by the FBI,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: and he said that in the FBI interviewed quotes it claimed.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: It claims the FBI interview claims, because we don't have
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: his actual words here, we just have what they wrote up.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: The FBI wrote up that Warren Reynolds is of the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: opinion that that's Oswald, but he can't I didn't, but
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: he can't positively identify him. And then like literally forty
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: eight hours later, he's closing up the shop and someone
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: jumps up out of the shadows with a rifle and
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: shoots him in the head. It hit him in the
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: glasses that exited like back here, and he miraculously survived.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: And then he changed his story. And then later on
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: a couple of researchers tracked him down and asked him,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: you know, hey, you know, just tell us what really happened,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: no bullshit, just you know, it's many years later, just
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: tell us what really happened. And he said, the honest
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: truth is that I was too far away to identify
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: the guy. But because I was shot, I changed my story.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: So as soon as I learned that, I was thinking, Okay,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: this whole Warren Reynolds shooting is not really suspicious anymore,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: is not a as as is not as mysterious as
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: it sounds. It's mysterious as to who shot him into why,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: But in regards to you know him, Oh, they shot
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: him because they wanted him to change his story. It's like, well,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: why would they want him to change his story when
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: they already have other witnesses who you know, picked him
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: out of a lineup and you know, identified a photo
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: of him months of Oswald months later. So it's like,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: you don't have to rely on a single witness when
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: they already have already had other witnesses. Does that make sense?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's the whole warn The whole Warren
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Reynolds thing always threw me off, especially you know when
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you find out that he's he's talking to General Walker
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: as well. He's obviously he.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Has a strange relationship with General Walker that's never really
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: been you know, or oved it too much or you know.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it hadn't been sucked out very much.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: And this Warren Reunds is still light by the way,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: is he Yeah, he's still life. He doesn't talk about
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: it with anyone though.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Wow, there's some.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: There's some crazy jackass on YouTube who was who went
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to his shop and was like, I'm gonna go interview
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Warren Reelds And I'm like, who is this guy? This
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: guy sounds like he's nuts. He's like, yeah, he's Warren here,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: but no he's not here today. Oh okay. I mean
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: some people are just crazy. I mean the amount of
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I mean the amount of craziness that we see just
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: because everyone can be platformed these days, you know, so
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: someone with I'm gonna go knock, I'm gonna go see
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Warren Reynolds didn't work though, and he wouldn't have talked
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: to him anyway.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I heard that video from uh what was
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: that guy's name, Grandpaul Hickory you had on your channel.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: That's what I sent you, remember that?
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And because he was talking about the
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: top ten records and I was like, what is this
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: guy talking about?
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: He was like I saw JD. Tipp It in Yeah,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: in the top ten record store. I'm like, maybe all
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I can say again, like I said before, all I
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: can say is this is what he claims. Do we
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: know for a fact that you know sixty what are
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: we three sixty three years later that that's true?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: That he I don't know, well he never said he
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: saw on the twenty second.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, but he said he saw him frequently use
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that telephone.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Who knows. And then I click channel and what's the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: first thing that pops up? He's a UFO buff.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Well it could go he could go either way. So yeah,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: all I can say is Grandpa Hickory sixty over sixty
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: years later, claims that he saw JD. Tippett use the
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: phone in the Top ten record store frequently back in
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the sixth that that's all we can say. You can
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: take it, do whatever you want with it.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Yep, I was I saw that, you know, the timing
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of that, and that record store was struggling in the
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: eighties because you know, because it's has just come out.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: It was well, it was published, and yeah, I remember
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: you said that on last week's show. You said that
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: maybe that they made it up or something like that. Okay,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: And for those who are listening, just before Jeddie Tippett
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: was killed, he ran into the Top ten record store,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: went behind the counter, picked up the phone, was very impatient,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: apparently did not reach anyone, slam the phone down, went
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: back in his car and sped away and he was
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: killed like literally minutes later. I'm just laying out for
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: the audience who's listening right now and no one. That's
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: a little mystery that popped up, and that was first
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: came about in Penn Jones's newsletter The Continuing Inquiry in
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, and Gary Mack broke that story so
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: so he could the owners have just made that up for,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: you know, to save their their dying record store. I mean,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: it's not like they went to you know, USA Today
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: or to Dallas Morne news or. I mean it's just
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: a little little, uh newsletter de todad. So I think
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: that show's honesty. I think that shows honesty. I don't
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: that leans towards honesty. You know, they're just you know, Yeah.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: The one document from this guy, it was like an
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: FBI tip, like a week after the assassination. He said
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: that there was a rumor that Oswald had been in
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the top ten and bought a ticket to the Dick
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Clark show at seventh am and then came back in
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the afternoon to try to buy another one or something
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: when JD. Tippa was in the store. Yeah, that was
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the extent of it, and the FBI was like, you know,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: do not pursue lead Oswald. It couldn't have been Oswald.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: He was on his way to work or whatever. Yep,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: he kind of dismissed it. But it didn't come from
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: anybody at the Top ten. It just came from somebody
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: who didn't want to be identified, William Johnston or somebody
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I don't even know who he is. But and he
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: said in the things, just a rumor. But that's the
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: only thing that I could find, you know, early, early, early.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, that's yeah. So and that was at
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: seven supposedly at seven thirty am that morning, Oswald and
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Bill Wesley Fraser were on their way to work at
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: the depository. And yet again we have Oswald or someone
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: looking like him bought show tickets at as you said,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: at the Top ten Record store in Irving, and he
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: returned later and bought another ticket. And supposedly Jennie Tippett
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: was also in that store. So if that's true, and
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: if the other story is true, then there's a lot
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: going on at Top ten Records. If all this is.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: True, the only thing that to me that would support
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: that theory.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: By the way, the citation for this, for what I
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: just said was FBI riff one two four dash one
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: o eight seven dash one oh one nine seven. Just
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: for those who think that I'm making stuff up every day,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: everything I'd say has citations. I'm not just I'm not
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: trying to sell something. I'm not some.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I know every time. I hear all kinds of shit
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: all the time. Well not so much anymore, but used to,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: because get on here and talk about documents and everything.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell the riff number or anything like that,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and Joseph backs, he would always message me, what's the
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: striff number on that document? I'm like, I don't know, dude,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: already threw in the trash.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: You know, are we supposed to be add answering questions
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: here in the chat?
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I see?
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Is that for later? Is that later we can?
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I just uh, it's hard for uh me when I'm
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: here by myself to kind of pay attention to the
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: chat and the guests, so I'm just ignoring them.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: But uh someone asked, how you pronounced my last name
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: dow Fit dowe Fit. It's true, Yeah, okay, next question.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Thanks question.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: So, as long as you've been looking at this deal,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: mm hmm, and I'm sure your opinions have changed over time,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: the more you learn, the more you find out, maybe
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: it changes. But like I said at the beginning, to
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: show you're one of the most knowledgeable people about the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Tippet shooting, what is your theory about what the hell
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: happened there?
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not convinced that it was Oswald. I would
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: never I have not said, and I won't say Oswald
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: did not do it because that puts a burden, a
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: burden of proof on me that I can't possibly meet.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: All I say is I don't think the official story
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: has met it has met it's burden of proof, and
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I condemn it and I can demonstrate that, and I
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: feel I haven't.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I mean, let's talk about timing. I know,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I know what last summer you made the trek from
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the rooming house to the site, right, and you timed yourself.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: So what what did the warrant commissions say about the timing?
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: And what did you find out independently trying to do
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: it on your own?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: How much time you got? I'm just kidding. I have
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I have multi I have multiple time tests all on
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: my phone. Which one do you which one do you want?
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Let me see? Uh, let's see. Let's see I can
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: pull this.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: U did you do from where the cab supposedly dropped
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Oswald off?
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: So well curious how long how long did that take you?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Just just from where the cab dropped him off to
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: the rooming house cab.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Dropping off to the seven minutes fourteen seconds. But if
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: the absolutely powerwauk it, you can get there in like,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: you know, five minutes and fifty five seconds or something
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: like that. It all depends. Are we walking like normal
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: or are we running or are we jogging? Or are
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: we walking with the purpose? Really it really you change.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: But ultimately every time I do it, it doesn't work.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah, see, I would say we're walking with a purpose.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: But something funny struck out to me, and I believe
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: we talked about it on Kids with Me and Doug
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: this past weekend. But we're talking about early and Roberts
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and you know all that stuff, and came across. Oh,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I know I know what it was. I have Darwin
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Payne's book Behind the Scenes, right. Have you ever read
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: that book?
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: No?
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I have I of tons and tons of book on
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Mike to do lists.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: So I think Dallas Morning, Harold Reporter and Anyway, he
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: went to the rooming house that afternoon, like fifteen minutes
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: after the police had left, yep, and A. C. Johnson
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: was there, his wife was there, and of course Earleen
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Roberts was there and several other several of the rumors, right, yes,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: And he goes in detail in the book about how,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: you know, how he was talking to him and there
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: were other reporters there and they were kind of bouncing
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: around between people trying to get different stories from different people.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: And I think he said at one point that, you know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: he had been talking to Earlene and he said, I
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: think she's starting to like me because I'm asking her
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: interesting questions, right, And she volunteered to him this story
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: that I haven't seen anywhere else. And she said, I've
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: got a secret. And Darwin's like, yeah, what's that. She's like,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: what's about When whenever he would get up and go
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: walk to the bathroom, his butt kind of twisted, so
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: we called him the butt twister behind his back, like
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: there goes the butt twister. And you know, like like
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Dean Andrews said, he had a little swish when he walked, right, Yeah,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: so walking with a purpose about that speed, you know
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: what I mean like.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I I give
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: tours and uh we start from the depository and we
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: end all the way at the arrest at the Texas Theater,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: and we time it every every single time, and to
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: this day there's not been a single time that I've
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: done it, and I've done it dozens of times now
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: where it works in favor of what the Warrning Commission claimed,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: because the Warning Commission timetable has is very strict on
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: you know, he left it this time and walked for
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: this amount of time and got on this bus at
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: this time, in this cab at this time, and it
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: has to work up. But once you actually do it,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: even if you walk a purpose, it's still it's still
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: uh does not work.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Still, it would be hard to get from the sixth floor,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: uh where he's seen again on the second floor, then
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: to a bus, then do a cab then dropped off
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: you know, five blocks down the road, then to walk
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: back to the rooming house. So from the sixth floor
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: window to the rooming house in a half an hour?
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: What time did it take you to get from the
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: sixth floor to the rooming house?
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: My absolutely, my absolute fastest. Yeah, I'll pull it up
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: right here, pull up right here, my absolute fastest, like
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: cutting corners in it, like I mean, shaving up some time.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Arrive at the room. Arrive at the room. He has
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: a twelve fifty eight to fifty three. But that's if
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: we you know, cut you know, if we try to
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: make it work, if if we do it honestly, it
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: would be around like one o'clock on the dot. But
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: again that's walking very fast. But on average when I
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: do my tours, we arrived betwe like one o three
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: or one oh four. So again, it really depends on
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: how much how fast you're walking it, how fast or
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: how slow you're walking it. But people are like, oh,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: you can arrive at twelve fifty eight. No, yes, but no,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: because that's assuming that everything after that is correct. Like oh,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: he's in his room for you know, a minute or two. No,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: he's not his room for like a minute or two minutes,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: or or he stands outside for like oh maybe sand No. No,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: once you analyze it and put in honestly what early
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Roberts said, then it just does not work. Plus the
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: direction he would have had to have been taken, plus
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: everything else, it just does not work. And that's why
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: I implore people to come do it. Come do the
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Come do the route with me, and you'll see for
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: yourself it doesn't work. I did it with my counterpart, uh,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: mister Bill Brown, you know him, and he he had
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: never done from the depository to the neighborhood before. He'd
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: only done from the rooming house to the crime scene.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: So I was like, let's do this together, and and
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: we have Oswald.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Killing, killing, killing Tippet at like like one eighteen, and
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: that's way too late to commit the murder because Dale
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Myers fixed at the time of the shooting at one fourteen.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I think it was like around like one eleven or
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: one twelve. Vincent Biliosi thought that the shooting was at
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: one twelve. But you know, cutting as many corner corners
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: as we can and going as fast as we can
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: and even cheating a little bit, stopping at red lights
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: and everything, which you know, and U shortening stuff from
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: you know, early Roberts said, you know, four or five minutes, three,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: you know, cutting that down to one minute, and missus
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: early and then she said several minutes cutting that down
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: to one minute. So when we cheat, when we cheat,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: we get there at one eighteen, right, and that's and
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: that's still way too late. So it still does not work.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: No matter how you slice or dice this, this whole timeline,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: it does not work. So and I would implore people
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: to go watch uh just just Canal's channel where I
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: demonstrate that in a couple of videos. So so so
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: so it's one eighteen if you're hauling ass and cheat,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: but if you're if you're honest, if you're honest and
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: do it honestly, the average time that uh we have
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Tippet killing Oswald, that we have Oswald killing tipp it
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: is like one or like.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: It.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: It really does not work. And I spent really a
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: full year, I uh, you know, investigating you how did
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: the Warren commission Jerry rig this to make it work?
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: How did deal Meyer's Jerry rigg it to make it work?
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: And I figured it out, second by second exactly how
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: they made it work. And they really did Jerry Riggott.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: And I've proven that.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I feel yeah, because you know, when you're talking about
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: like William Waally the cab driver, he never said I
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: seemed in a hurry. He never said I was on
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: a step on it, man, hurry up, let's go, you know,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: can you get me there any faster? Nothing like that.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: You know, the guy didn't talk, you know.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: And uh. And when I did my time with the
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: the time test on the Wayley cab drive, Bill Brown
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: insisted that I stopped the okay, he was trying to cheat.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: He you know, stopped the clocks every red light and
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: every stop sign, and we got and we you know,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: again cheating. The cab drive was like just under five minutes,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: like four minutes and fifty, you know, something like that.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: And I knew that that wasn't right because William, because
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: my average driver is like, you know, seven and a
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: half minutes for and what did Whaley himself say? It
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: was between six and a half and eight minutes.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. You know.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: You see, if you just listen to the actual witness
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: and drive it as it is, you'll do what the
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: witnesses did, what he did that day, and it all
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: adds up. So yeah, I'm sure there was like you
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: can cheat, you can cheat to try and make it
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: work at least be honest about it.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I can see the problem with the Warren
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Commission when all this was coming up, and they're trying
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: to figure out if Oswald could have done all this
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: stuff based on every incident that he os was supposedly
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: involved in, getting stuck on the bus, taking a cab,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: getting dropped off over here, walking here, getting stopped on
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: second floor, running across the sixth floor, and you know,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: they have to take into consideration all the different testimony
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: of these witnesses and what they think the timing was.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: And then, like you said, they kind of reverse engineered
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: it to make it work.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I and I can demonstrate, like minute by
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: minute exactly how the Warner Port and Myers rigged it,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: shortened it to make it work. I've documented that by minute. Yeah,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to look that up, if
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: you want to, if I can send that, if you
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: want me to send that to you, I can. Sure.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Now, if if Oswald would have been going to the
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Texas Theater all along, like that was the plan, what
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: do you have taken the route that he took, or
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: what do you have just walked down Zangzer Beckley.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think yeah, I think the simple inflations that
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Oswald simply walked to the Texas Theater and that would
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: be and adding that time up to when he's last
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: seen outside in front of the house at the curb,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: that would place him at the Texas Theater exactly when
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Johnny Breuer saw him at like twelve forty, you know.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: And we were talking like a get on quick hits,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: and I brought up Earling Roberts again and can we
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: trust what she says because she says some crazy shit
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: in her Secret Service interview from December fifth, I think
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: it was, she said that the DPD showed up at
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: her house at one thirty. Yeah, which is a problem
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: because Oswald's not even arrested yet. The DPD had no
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: idea where he was staying at that point.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Some people try to use that as a wedge to
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: try and discredit her, And that's not a good argument
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: to try and to try and make that ooh, maybe
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: she's wrong about That's what people try to do, is
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: that they try to make excuses. Well, they got it's
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: they got this wrong. Maybe they're wrong on everything else. No,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: that's not how this works.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: And she's blind in one eye and can't see out
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: of the other ear right, and yeah, she saw I
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: was cop car that couldn't have been there, right, two
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: o seven. It was supposed to be in the depository, right.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Well, she gave like four different numbers for the car.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Four different numbers, three or four. Yeah, Oh, all I've
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: seen is two o seven.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: No, she gave like, no, she gave like three or
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: four different numbers for the car. You know, one of
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: them was not in service anymore. So some people think
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: that the conspirators were using a a cop car that
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: was not in service anymore. That's that's a theory.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Or if it was two or seven Westbrook hijacked
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: from the school with depository him and Croy.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because wasn't.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: There wasn't there a second police car seen near the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Tippet murder scene in like an alley or something.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a whole other Yeah, that's a whole other thing.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: So it turns out so Doris Holand her story was
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: first published in two thousand and four, two thousand and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: two thousand and four and Harry Livingstone's book The Radical Right,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: And supposedly she was living across the street from from
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: where Tippett was killed, and she heard the shots. She
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: looked out, she saw the Tippet aftermath and saw another
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: police car in between in the driveway in between the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: two houses. But it turns out that that can't be
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: true because she did not live there at that time.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: She lived there earlier than year. I interviewed her son,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: A lad Holen, and he he said that actually it
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: was he who came upon the murder scene a few
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: minutes afterwards, and he found saw Tippet dead in the street,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: in the crowd of people around him and everything, and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: then he and the and then he said that he
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: went and put his books away on Patten where they
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: were living at that time. So they were living around
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: the corner on Patent, very close, not across the street,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: as they had been earlier that year. And I and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: he said he put his books away, and he watched
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: from afar, you know, for a couple hours, watching the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: action happen, you know, cup cars swarming, an investigation. So
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: he was just sitting there, you know, watching the action.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: And I realized, wait a minute, if that proves that
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: he was living on pat that they were living on
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Patton at that time, not across the street, because if
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: he had lived across the street, he would be ten
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: feet away, not watching from a not watching from his
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: front yard around the corner from afar, you know, under
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: something hungs them feet away. They would be like right
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: across the street, like.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Ten feet in front of him, you know, we're around
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: the corner.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I realized that they were living on patent
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: at that time, which means that if she was home
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: at the time, Doris hol End she was a waitress
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: uh at And if she was living at Patton Street,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: if at bet she could not have seen Tippet's patrol car,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: she could not have seen Tippet's body. At best, she
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: could have seen the killer run around the corner, or
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: at best she should she could have seen the killer
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: run around the corner and and run past her. So
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: that's at best, that's if this story is true, that's
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: what she could have seen. But there are tons of
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: details that she says or that, or that she claims
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: to have said before she died in the year two
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: thousand that don't match. That can't be true if she
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: was living at Patton Street, And as for this the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: and she could not have seen the a second alleged
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: cup car in the driveway, and there were also structures
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: in between those two houses as you can see from
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: aerial photographs. At best, she hears the shot, she looks out.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: She sees the killer run around the corner, run down patent,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: and in the alley, not in the driveway in between
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: the two houses. She could see into the alleyway, not
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: in between the houses. At best, if there was a
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: cop car a cup car there, she could have seen
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: it pull out and drive away or whatever. So there
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: are elements of the story that could be true if
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: it were true, But there's a of other stuff that
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: she's reported to have said that can't possibly be true
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: because she she couldn't have seen the patrol cards. I said,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: she couldn't have seen Tippet's body. She couldn't have seen
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: the second guy, who she's quoted as saying walking up
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: to Tippet's body, inspecting his head and waving to some
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: other guy. So all that stuff can't be true. She
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: would have to be in the house across the street,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: which which she wasn't living at that time. So I asked, lad,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: is there her son, I says, there any way that
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: she could that she could have seen all that, And
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: he said, the only thing I could conceive of is
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: that she still had friends in the in that house,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: in the old house that she would go and visit.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: So if she was over there visiting them and then
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: she heard the shots and looked out the window, then
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: she could have seen what she what was written up
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: about her in Livingstone's book, but in Livings But according
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: to the people who interviewed her, she was, you know,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: at home, taking a nap, been, you know, smoking a
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: cigarette and everything, and she was in her bed and
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: pat Jama bought him so not over not visiting people.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: So at best, as I said, all we could say
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: is that she might have seen the killer running away.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: And if there is another cup car in the alley,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: she might have seen it pull out and pull away.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: But it's impossible to know what the truth is in
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: this situation. Sorry, that was a long winded answer, but
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: it's a long winded story.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I got a question for you.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see questions here as a Dallas site.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Well this is from me, it's not from the chat. Oh.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: I thought it's first.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: But my question isn't I think this is the right map?
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: H Let me pull up this map here, Matt and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: have you take a look at it. Can you see
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: it on the screen?
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, so that that's a modern map though.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: That is a modern map. Yes, and uh, let's see
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: where are we at here? Okay, where Beckley is.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's hard to see what it's it's small, it's
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: a small map. Let's see.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, North Zangs. If we're following North Zangs, it's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: like right up the middle of the map, it's the road.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like right zoom man, Okay, back, okay, yeah.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: So we'll get down by the rooming house where and
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: it's kind of at the intersection of Zang's back.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I assumed, and I can see it more.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay. Across the way there is El Dorado Avenue okay, yes,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: and then off of El Dorado it'll take you down,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: uh to Elsbis Street on the on the right there
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: where Oswald once lived. How do you pronounce that street?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: N E C h E s. You talking about Nietches
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: nietches or natches nietches.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: That's how I've always heard it.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: That's how you've always heard nietches. Yeah, okay, I was
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: just wondering what people called it then, because I was
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I had a crazy theory right about this. Yes, you
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: know how Oswald was a horrible speller, and yeah, if
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: he's phonetically spelling something that he heard, right, could this
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: be six o one West Niches Street.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: Hm. I that's the paperback thing, right, Yeah, some people
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: think some people think that's how they got his fingerprints. Yeah,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: you have to go a long way to make that argument.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: But hey, if you want to stretch, believe me.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: If you want a male something, just to have them
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: open and be like, what.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: The hell is this? Well, here's what's interest.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: To get their fingerprints taking a risk.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I went on Google Maps and I looked up
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: six to oh one West Nietzsche Street, right m h.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: And it took me here to Woodlawn Avenue, which is
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: on the curve of Woodlawn and Niches which is running
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: to the side of it here, right, Yeah, shit is
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: on the curb over there, yeah yeah, yeah, all right.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: So I drove around the corner virtually in my Google
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: car and got to the other side, right h. And
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: this is what I see on the other side of
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: the green house. Yep, it looks to me like this
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: little porch. There used to be a door here at
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: one time, and it was you know, closed in. So
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: this this little side entrance to this house would have
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: been six oh one West Niches Street, because you know,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: back six these they used to divvy these houses up
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: into like, you know, four or five different residences and
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: they'd have all these different entrances on them.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: And I was like, hmmm, you know, would.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: That be.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: A good spot, you know, for Oswald to live or
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: somebody else who was you know, off the grid or whatever. Again,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: it's addressed to him in Dallas at this address. Yeah,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: I trust me. It's a stretch.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking out of the box, madam, trying to get it's.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Hard to it's hard to come to conclusions based on, uh,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: only the things that we know. But the but one
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: of the people don't realize is that you don't have
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: to reach a conclusion for everything, for anything. You just don't.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: People try to force a conclusion well, just going based
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: off of what we do have, most likely this happened.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, people don't get that you don't
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: have to reach a conclusion. Sometimes there's insufficient evidence to
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: draw a conclusion for such and for such and such
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: and such.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's fun to try, right, It's.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Fun to try. But you know, I try to stick
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: I try to stick with it. I said, I try
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: to stick with what the evidence tells me. So and
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: it's hard, it's really really hard.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: So anybody in Dallas try to run this lead down,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: go to the the city hall or whatever and pull
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: up the records for this property and see if it
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: was ever a six oh one West Nietzsch Street and
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: who was living there, who owned it type of thing,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a rabbit.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Hole, it's a bunny trail, it's a bunny trail.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, David says, Markham saw the second police
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: car also, and so one of the Davis sisters.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Parents citation for Hella Markham citation needed.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, David, come correct.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: As the David's sisters, he's he's probably thinking about He's
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: probably thinking about what I said earlier, how she said
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: that the cops had already been there because there was
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: an accident that morning. That's probably what. As far as
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Helen Markham seeing another cup car, he's probably thinking of
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Gavin McMahon's research or something like that. But none of
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: that can be verified. Yeah, but David, if you're if
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: you're still in the chat, if you could give me
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: the exact citation, not something sixty something years later that
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: someone claimed that the family member told them who married
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: into the family, and you know.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: South Twest says the mysterious package was addressed to Nash's Street. Right, No,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I get that, but there is no street in Dallas,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: os we was dyslexic. In fact, there's no Nasha Street
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: in America. The only one I found South Africa.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So David just answered, he said, I believe
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: it is a tribute to a family member of Markham. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm talking about. That's one of the problems
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: of can't trust the young thugs, David. Yeah, right there, Yeah,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: you can't trust some former family member like sixty something
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: years later. I mean, now we're just getting into hearsay
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: and stories and things like that.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: I'm I mean, yeah, I believe it would have been
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: her grandson at this point, right if I'm remembering my
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: interview with Gavin McMahon.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: And someone who married into the family wasn't really a
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: family member. So I'm not you know, I'm not really
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: interested in all that.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, definitely.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: And there's also so oh something like she saw this
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Italian man or something. I'm like, that's nice, okay, And
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: I can't confirm that I can't confirm that.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: No war with Tyn says who done it? Suspects lineup,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: vote or writing your favorite for who actually shot Tip
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: It A Ruby, he, Craford, C. White or D somebody else.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Or D I guess the D is I don't know,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Well, it can't be Ruby because the suspect was described
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: as between eighteen and twenty five years old the killer
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: of Tip and Ruby was in his fifties, and he
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: was and the killer was said to have had curly
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: or bushy hair and a papa doing the front end.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Ruby was bald. So I have no idea why people
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: think that it could have even been Ruby who shot Tippit.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: And I don't think Ruby would have ever killed a cop.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, he loved cops too much. I don't think
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: he evert himself to shoot a cop. That could be wrong.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So Larry Harris, who I mentioned earlier, who was
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: the world's leading expert on the Tip murder, he he
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: thought it was Roscoe White. So, and he's actually the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: person who got me into this case. Even though he
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: died when I was like eight months old or something
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: like that. He died to here I was born, as
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: I said, but I learned like last year that he
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: privately admitted, he privately acknowledged that he thought Roscoe White
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: killed tipp It, and that he's the reason, you know,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: Larry's the reason why I'm got in this case, and
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: he's who I look up to. And if if that's
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: who he thinks did it, I mean I can accept it.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Can I prove it? Nope?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I started off the show back when I started
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: doing it, you know, twelve years ago or whatever, utterly
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: convinced or at least very open to the possibility that
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: the person that shot tipp It was Larry Crayford impersonating.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Oswalt with Larry Craiford.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: There's just not much to go on, right, I mean,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, you know, he's got the jacket right
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: that we can't prove with Oswald's it's supposedly found. We
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: don't even know if it was the shooting suspects jacket.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: They just found his jacket right under the car.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Jacket, the gray jacket that's now in evidence, is what
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: you're talking about, right, Yeah, Yeah, yeah, I can concede
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: that that's Oswald's jacket, but it's not the white jacket
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: that was found and that was ditched by the Tipic
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: killer and found up and held up and photographed by
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: the police that day and announced over the over the
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: police radio as white. So I think they probably just
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: switched out the Tipic killer's white jacket for Oswald's gray jacket. Maybe,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: But can that jacket other than Marina can't be linked
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: to him.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Did Marine ever say that jacket was him?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: So, uh, yes, in her in her testimony, yes, something
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, she was like, oh, that's Lee's. I
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: think she said it was like Lee's old shirt. But
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: you know, and people like, well, she spoke Russian, so
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: maybe she meant she said shirt instead of jacket. And
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: she also said, yeah, I think he had it on
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: him the night before. It's like, well, that's not possible
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: because they would be supposedly be at the rooming house.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: So because one thing old, the theory that it was
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: that Oswald was being impersonated that day is of course
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: the top ten rumor. But and if that was just
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: itself by itself, that would be phenomenally But we also
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: have from that same day and Oswald citing at the Jiffy,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: the Jeffy mart Or whatever work.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Right, the Jeffy story.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we bought peanut bread on your beer or something.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me read that, Yello. Yeah, let me read
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: that to you. So this is one of the Again,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: one of the other weird things is that at eight
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: thirty am that morning, Oswald, of course was at work,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: yet Oswald or when Oswald look alike, bought beer at
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: the Jiffy store in downtown Dallas. He showed the store
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: clerk his driver's license and said it said Lee Oswald
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: or h Lee Oswald according to the guy who checked
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: his ID, and he remembers the birth years being nineteen
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: thirty nine, and he said that the Oswald returned later
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: and bought beer and Pinco brittle, and he seemed nervous
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: as he paced the aisles as he ate the candy.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: So that shows that either Oswald or Oswald impostor knows
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: that something's about to happen. He knows that the prep
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: probably that something's gonna go down, and he's Indian's nervous.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: He's eating the candy and he's paced the aisles. So
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: does he something's about to happen? Yeah, the president, the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: President's gonna get killed. So is that Oswald. Is that
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: the real Oswald doing that because he's involved in something?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Or is that another Oswald impersonating him because he's also
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: involved in something. And the citation for that is Warran
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: commissioned document seven pages seven thirty eight to seven forty
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: that was not published in the twenty six volumes.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: For a good reason.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, oh uh. Someone wrote beer and peanut burrow.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: It's actually piico brittle, peco pico brittle.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: What is pico brittle? Is that different? Peanut coconut ah
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: or peanut and cocoa nut?
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Pi coo.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Interesting?
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, any other comments?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: See like that claimed to me because I think he
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: did say later in the document he remembered the well name.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: He said, well, that sounds like a nice Jewish name
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: or something, right, And that's why it's stuck in his head.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: I'd have to you know. In fact, the the citation
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: for that on the Mary Ferrol website is actually very blurred.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: It's suspiciously blur for some reason, suspiciously blurred. But John
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: Armstrong on he he printed a good copy of that.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: He published a good copy of that on his CD
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: wrong and I think it's on his website too, so
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: it's a little but it's a little blurred out, as
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: is the jet tip of autopsy, which is in the
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: Warrant Commission files. That's blurred out too. It's I can't
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: read shit. What is this talking about? What are they?
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: What are they doing? What are they doing? Now everything's
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: online and it's gorgeous, but you know, back in nineteen
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: sixty five of someone's researching is it's like they're not
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: giving us an inch. Only what's in the twenty six volames.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Well, they had really crappy printers back then. Apparently, yeah,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: all right, got the second wallet? Then do you think
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: that a wallet was found at the Tippic crime scene
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: or no.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: There was a wallet that turned up, But the tip
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: of crime scene, it's on film. It's on film next
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: to Jdie Tippet's pistol. It's there was a local news
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: crew and they filmed a cop and they filmed a
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: bunch of the cops on the scene. One of the
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: cops has Jeddi Tippets pistol in one hand and a
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: wallet in the other and they're looking at the wallet.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: They're like thumbing through it, you know.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Like this. Yeah, so.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: There are three witnesses there who FBI agent and two
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: cop two cops who said it who later said it
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: was and Oswald wallet. That's a tough one. That's a
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: real tough one. Rob, that's a real tough one. The
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: other option is that it could have been Ted Callaway's wallet.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: It's Ted Callaway picked up Tippet's revolvers, let's go chase
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: it and said, let's go chase the son of a bitch.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: And then Callaway was disarmed. You know, give me that,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: and you know, give me that, you know what I mean,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: And they disarmed him and that they really embarrassed him.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: So is it possible that they took his wallet Friday?
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: And that that's why in the officer's hand he has
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Tippets pistol which he got from Callaway. And is that
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: possibly Callaway's wallet. It's just an idea. It's just a working,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: working theory. And Kenneth Kroy said that the piss that
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: he was that when he was given the pistol and
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: the wallet, he said that they came together.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: So Froy also said it was an Oswald wallet.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: He he he said that, he said that, and then
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: in another interview he said, well, I just assumed it
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: wasn't Oswald's wallet, and I never saw Oswald's name inside
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: of there, so he was kind of contradictory on that.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: So yes, is it is it possible that a conspirator,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: seeing an opportunity, went to the Tipic crime scene, turned
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: in the wallet and said to Croy, because all Croy
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: remembered was that some white male, some identified white male,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: went to the approached him and said, here you go.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: The killer threw it down, which we know did not
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: happen because the Tipic killer did not throw any wallet down.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: So why is so why is this unidentified man turning
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: in this turning in a Oswald wallet to Kenneth Kroy saying, hey,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: the killer threw it down, Here you go. I hope
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: this helps. And then the batman disappeared. So if that
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: could that have been a a conspirator going to the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: crime scene and turning in a wallet to frame Oswald?
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: It could be Could it be Ted Kellaway's wallet, as
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: I just mentioned, which came with the which supposedly was
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: with maybe maybe we have a split. It could literally
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: go either way.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: Or could it have been Larry Crayford with in his pocket.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Supposedly in the wallet. Kenth Cray said there were seven
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: seven different identifications in the wallet and that none of
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: them were Oswald. And then he said and and but
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: then Agent Robert Barrett, No west Captain Westbrook was thumbing
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: through it, and he was He looked over at FBI
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: Agent Barrett and he said, do you know what Oswald? Nope?
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Do you know what Hydel?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: Do you know what o h Lee No. He's like, huh.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: So it's obvious that that that at least three Oswald
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: i ds are in the wallet, But it's just a
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: real hodgepodge. To try it's to try and make sense
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: of it. It could be it could be an Oswald
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: wallet that was turned into the scene by a conspirator,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: or it could have been Ted Calloways would because Ted
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: Callaway was really embarrassed that he was disarmed, because Callaway
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: was a World War Two veteran. He was at Jimma
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: I think he was, and he was really embarrassed they disarmed,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: they you know, give me that. So did he begrudgingly
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: give his wallet over because supposedly the Tippett's gun and
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: the wallet were came together. Could it I don't know.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: In Callaway as I said, he was embarrassed, and he
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: never mentioned that and so and they were like, yeah,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: we disarmed that guy. It's like Calloway never mentioned that
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: in any because he was embarrassed that he was disarmed
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: this tough guy. Tough guy got disarmed, so he never
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: mentioned it. And Myers del Myers asked him, was that
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: your wallet? Could it? Could this be your wallet? He
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: was like, no, no, nope, it wasn't my wallet. He said, nope,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: it wasn't my wallet. And he said, well, when the
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: you turned in tippets revolver to the police, didn't you
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: did they ask you for ida? And he said nope,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: I just said here you go, thank you very much,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: which is bullshit because, as I said, they converged on
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: him and they disarmed him and they embarrassed him. So
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: could they have taken his wallet from him too? They
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: came together and that's why they're on film right next
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: to each other. Maybe maybe maybe, But then why would
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: three people, three two officers? An FBI agent say later
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: in life say, hey, there were there were always one
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: id's in there. You'll get that by it. Oopsie, oops, No,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: maybe one person, but three people? Come on, come on,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: I hope that I hope the.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: And we got one here. This is Garrison. Garrison said
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: the tip of killing was part of the conspiracy, but
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: he didn't say, to my knowledge that Tippets assassin killed
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: him to frame l E h O.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's one of the problems I really want
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: to know. It's like, who did Mark Lane think shot tip?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: But who did Garrison think shot tip? But who did
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: Sylvia mar think shot tip? But I don't you know,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: people didn't ask these questions, like all these top research
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: you know, who was Penn Jones's favorite suspect? Who was
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: Harold Weisberg's favorite. I mean, it's like, we don't know.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: Well, the DPD didn't give a shit either, because they
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: stopped in uh, you know, investigating it after.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: I remembered that they had district Henry Waite said, well,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: we we didn't investigate his case at all. And Jim
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: Novel I mean and said, you know, we dropped the
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: case after two days, and Bill Alexander and all that
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: stud I mean, they're all admitting that they didn't investigate
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: the murder of a brother officer. And they're like in
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: Lavelle was like, yeah, we should have I should have
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: done what we did in normal cases, you know, gone
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: door knocking, gotten more witnesses, and it's like they do
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: that with a regular person, but not with brother officer.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Did you ever get a chance to meet Leville when
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: he was still alive.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, but I was not interested in the Typic case
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: at that time. But he gave thousands of interviews over
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: the years, so he's he said everything he needed to say.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he stayed pretty consistent from what I've seen. Yeah,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: although I wish he would have wrote a book or
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: we could see his files, and I'm sure he had.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Well you can, I mean you can. There's so there's
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: so many books that have that have his story in it,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: like full chapter, you know, aunt you know, go to
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: read them, you know, Larry Sneed's book, his or his.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: More Silence No More Silence.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: So there's a big, lengthy chapter of his interview with Level,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: so I would go there. You can watch his he
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: gave multiple interviews with the Six Form Museum. You can
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: watch that on their website. So yeah, I don't I
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: don't regret uh not asking uh Lavelle questions because he
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: he he would talk with anybody and he answered almost
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: every question there was, so anyway, what.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: What uh what did you think about? Is Mark Oak
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: still around?
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: He's still around. Yeah, yeah, he's still around.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: He's still looking into the case in it or anything?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Yes and no, yes and no. He but he did
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: an he did a filmed interview with Jim Ovell. It's
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: on YouTube. Have you seen it?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: Probably?
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a couple I like watching. Did some
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: good work him and Brown Yeah he uh.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark Oaks he he interviewed a lot of witnesses
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: on videotape in the nineties and he and uh, and
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: you can buy those from him.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: So oh he's still peddling, Mark Oaks.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's We're gonna read some more comments. Let's see.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: Like I said, then, more question that it.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: Might have been a witness's wallet that fell out while
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: tending the tippet. I don't was anybody, I.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: Never heard huh anybody him? Like, uh, witness.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: T. F.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Ballely when he came upon the scene, he rolled him
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: over and inspected him for life, inspected him for signs
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: of life. But again, we have three witnesses. They're saying
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: that three different forms of Oswald's i D were in
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: the wallet, so there was a question on that and
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: someone turned and someone turned in the wallet. As I said, so, no,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think it could have been a witness's wallet
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: that fell out, because the wallet was delivered to the scene.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: It was turned into the scene too to Officer croy
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: and and the killer. The person who turned it in said,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: here you go. The killer threw it in the bushes.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: So I was thinking, well, wait a minute, the typic
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: killer jumped the bushes when he ran the corner on
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: when he turned the corner onto on the patent. That's
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: what Ted Callaway saw. Ted Callorway looked down, he saw
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: the killer jump, jump the bushes and then run down
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: patent suits. I was like, is that possible? Could it?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: You know, could alswall really have.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: Could bushes it?
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: All? Well, I mean could the jump down? But but no,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: that can't be because yeah, just for many different reasons, we.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: Got our deep state specialist here, a tiny dancer says
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: the FBI and the DPD were the only investigative agency
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: with jurisdiction in both these killings. And that's all I
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: am able to say. Yep, this is true, and it
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: pretty much stopped with the tip of thing. I mean,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: there were interviews after the fact that the FBI did
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: with some some really witnesses, but again not much. The
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Warrant Commission talked to some of them as well, but
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: it never really went anywhere.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: Like nobody, Oh, Robbie cut out? Still there, I lost
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: your robin. Can you guys hear me? You froze up?
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: It says, no connection? Oh am I the only one online.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Someone make a comment, did you guys lose the whole show?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Or can you only see me? You're the host? Now okay,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: apparently I'm the host? Now okay, all right, I'll do
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: my best while we get robbed to come back on. Okay, comments,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Sally writes, why would the killer throw their
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: wallet into the bushes? The killer did not throw the
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: wallet in the bushes.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: The uh the.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. The wallet was turned in and claimed
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: to have been thrown in the bushes, But we know
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: that didn't happen because who leaves their who leaves their
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: wallet behind after committing a murder, So we know that's
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: not true. So if that was a conspirator turning Oswald's
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: well into frame him, he did a really bad job
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: at saying, oh, he just threw it away as he fled. Okay,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: and you guys can still hear me, Is that correct?
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: You guys can still see me and hear me. There
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: you go.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm back my internet.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: I was the host for about three minutes, so I
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: trust you.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: It's all good.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: Could you hear me? Though?
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: I could not?
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: And then I realized, oh shit, no, I'm the one.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: That let's see, let me see. I'm just looking at
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: some of the other.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: Questions.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Well there may have been some way back we missed.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: Who knows.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: So anyway, Yeah, Jenny Tippet's murder was completely cast aside.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: And in fact, when he was there wasn't even a
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: twenty one gun salute at his funeral. Did you know that? No,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: it was not a twenty one gun salute, And there
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: wasn't even a flag given to his widow, even though
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: he was a veteran. There was no flag given to
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: his widow on his funeral line wonder, and that shocks
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of people. When I tell him that, and
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: they finally gave her one, like eight years ago or
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: something like that, they're like, oh, here you get better
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: late than never. Here you go, and they get.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: And they have that monument up for a while, did they.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: There at Yeah, so they have a historical plaque at
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: the tippets scene, and you know there's you know, forty
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: six things wrong with it, so not that much, but
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: But uh.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: But uh, someone wrote, I know Myers isn't your favorite source,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: but do you place any I want to pull it
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: up on the screen.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, let me scroll down here, there we go.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: This is our buddy, will CPI deal.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: All right, says I know Myers isn't your favorite source,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: but do you place any mirror in his claim the
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: old boys told him what officer was visiting his side
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: piece and a house. Okay, so yeah, so very very
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: obscure detail, right, they're very obscure detail. Okay. So in
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: Gerald Posner's book Case Closed in nineteen ninety three, and
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: in Deal Myers's book in twenty eight in nineteen ninety
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: eight slash twenty thirteen, supposedly there was an officer in
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: one of those houses close to tenth and Patton having
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: an affair with a lady in the neighborhood, and supposedly
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: he saw Oswald or the killer flee and who knows,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: maybe that could have been the second cop car that
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: was getting the hell out of there out of the
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: driveway that Doris Holland saw. Maybe maybe that was Maybe
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: that was maybe.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: Because they would have had to back up the driveway
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: back to the alley and then leave because Tippa was
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: kind of blocking the driveway a little bit there where
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: he was there.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: They couldn't have been in between the houses in the
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: driveway because they're structures there, but they could have been
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: in the alley, like like here's the driveway, oh way
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: back in the alley. Yeah. Yeah, so maybe that's but
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: we can't prove that. And uh uh Gerald Posner and
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: Dale Marks have the name of the officer, but they
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: did not release it for some reason. If they do,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: maybe that'll clear some things up. Yeah you see structures, Yeah,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: there's no huh in the back Yeah, in the back
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: you were looking Yeah yeah, yeah, so there's.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: Not like a driveway going down in between.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So her so her house is to the to
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: the right around the corner on Patent And I showed
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: this in my video with jess uh Canal on her channel.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: We go to this, uh to these locations and I
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: point out where the houses were and everything. So, yeah,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: she could not Doris Holen could not have seen the
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: draw in between the houses and the driveway, but she
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: could have seen the alley. So if her if her
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: story is credible, if her story is credible.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of those houses have changed since then.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are only two houses in the in that
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: on tenth Street, in that area that are the exact same.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was no, I remember, it was not a
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: good part of town.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: It's just the it's just the and it's just in
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: those two houses they've they've gutted, they've gutted the inside
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: of it, inside of them. Obviously, it's only the outside
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: of the house that's the same, So it's not really
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: the same house.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I know nobody said anything to us the first
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: year we were there, but in the ensuing years has
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: anybody that lives there come out and said anything to you.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: I did find a witness who was the son of
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: the the Duch Motors come of the of the Duch
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Motors company or the Harris Brothers company. That was the
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: lot that Ted Callaway worked at, Ted Callaway and Sam Ginyard.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: The owner mister Harris. His I was thirteen years old
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: at the time and he was there with them and
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: they heard the shots, and he was behind Ted Callaway,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: thirteen year old kid there, so he saw Oswalt or
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: the killer whoever, the killer whoever. So he's so he
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: had the same experience that Callaway had, only he was
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: just behind Callaway and his name, and he and his
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: dad got him the hell hell out of there because
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: he didn't want this thirteen year old kid to be
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: questioned by cops and all that stuff.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: So I.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: I interviewed him and on the scene, and he came
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: to one of my Tipic gatherings on one of the anniversaries.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: He was my our keynote speaker, which is weird because
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: it's just a gathering. Yeah, he's our kidnotes Baker. So yeah,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: but you do you do?
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: You do?
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: Hear a lot of little side stories in town, like oh, yeah,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: I remember JD. He worked at Austin's Barbecue and he
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: he's just helped sliced lemons there and uh uh. There's
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: a woman who said he yeah, I was a kid,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: and he was. He didn't give he saw that we
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: were poored. He didn't right give us a he didn't
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: give us a tick yet, he just he just gave
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: us a warning, and we thought that was very friendly
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: of him. And that was Officer Tippet's nickname in the area,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: officer friendly, officer friendly.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, David says, I think the Oswald person got
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: out of the second cop car and killed Tippet and
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: Tippett was lured there and that's why the second cop
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: car fled.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: What do you mean by the Oswald person? What does
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: that mean?
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Whoever shot Tippet got out of the second cop car
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: and then the cop car took off and do that
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: to flee on foot?
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: She couldn't She couldn't have seen any cop car in
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: between those two houses, as I said, At best she
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: could have seen the leaving leaving the crime scene through
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: the back alley, but she couldn't seem between the houses.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: She was on Patent Street, she wasn't on tenth Street.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's a possible scenario there.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: Well, that's sort of what the Roscale White story is.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: And real quickly, the Roscale White story is that Roscoe
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: White was working for the CIA. He was the grassy
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: old gunman. He he ah rendezvous with Jeddie Tippett and
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: they picked up Oswald from the roomhouse, which would explain
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: Early and Roberts seeing the cop car drive by the
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: house with the two cops in it, and they said
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: they Roscoe said that they picked Oswald up, and uh,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: something went wrong and Oswald left the car and fled
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: the car, and Jeddi Tippett said to Roscoe, rock, I'm
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: gonna have to turn you in. We're gonna have to
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: go downtown to figure this out. And uh, Roscoe did
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: not have that happened, so he so that's why he
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: killed Jenny Tippett. And it's possible that Oswald left the
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: car and that they were looking for Oswald. That's why
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: Tippett supposedly stopped. Could that could be the reason why
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Tippet stopped James Andrews and looked in his back seat
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: or something like that. It's just a possibility, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: And so you know, Tippet's driving around looking for Oswald possibly,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: and then Roscoe is like walking up and down the
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: alleys or walking down the streets and that's why he
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: was walking. And then they met and then Tippet says,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take you in. He gets out and then
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: Roscoe shoots him and then run and then runs away.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe we don't know, we don't know.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all over the place, as with anything else
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: in this case, right, I.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, all, yeah, this is what This is what
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: Roscoe White wrote in his diary which was found by
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: his son in nineteen eighty two.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, before it was stolen by the FBI.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Roscoe wrote in his diary quote, and this
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: is Lebanon, which is a co He says, Lebanon, sixth floor.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: So the shoot in the sixth floor saw records buildings.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: So the shot in the records building Mandarin, which is
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: Roscoe White's code name. Stockage fence. This is shots fired
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: from upper buildings for diversion. Shots fired looks as if
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: target was hit. And this is in Dealey Plaza for
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: those who are listening. Shots fired, looks as if target
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: was hit. Shot from fence, definite hit man on other
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: side of man on the other side of the fence
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: in the way that would be Gordon Ronald. Shots again
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: from upper buildings, no hit target, open fired, definite hit.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: Gun retrieved by man to the side, took to railroad area.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: So that's the second man on the grassy mill that
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: Lee Bowers and supposedly saw hand the rifle to the
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: other person, supposedly throw it in the trunk of the car,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: you know, and the Roscoe White rights. He continues on
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: and says he quote world over the fence, took man
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: down to protect myself, like that Gordonald when he kicks
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: him and takes his film away. Maybe I don't know.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: Drove to oak Cliff, met officer told officer not to
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: drive by house. Something was at this point wrong. Forced
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: to take out officer at tenth and patent not going
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: as planned. Backtrack to car, Drove back to the area
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: of takeout to locate other passes that would be Oswald.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: Failed to transport subject to Redbird Airfield that would be Oswald.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: Realize what a mistake I had made. Hope it is
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: all over. Back to DPD awaiting information. So if we're
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: to believe Ricky why and uh Roscolle his father Roscolle
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: why he's the only one who wrote who confessed to
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: killing Kennedy and Jeddie Tippett in his diary right here.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: So it's pretty heavy step. And as I say, Larry Harris,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: he believed this, and I mean there's not a lot
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: just like I mean Larry. Just like with Larry Crafford,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: there's not a lot of information to go on there.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I can accept it, but can I prove it?
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the only thing with Crayford is, you know,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: he's I think he's responsible for a lot of these
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Oswald sightings with Ruby for sure.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: Who oh, I don't know.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sure this call Ruby with Oswald. I'm you know,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: like in Lucas, Lucas BnB restaurant. I mean we know
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: from what Jack Ruby said and Craper that they were
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: he was at the restaurant, but the ways swore uping down.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: Ruby was there eating with Oswald. Yep, but again who knows.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: You know, Oswald's being impersonated all over the place from
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: you know, even in Mexico to Dallas, and.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: Uh it's pretty yeah, it's pretty hard, especially these days,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: to say that was not. But you know, author Rest
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: in Peace researcher David Lifton, who was one of my mentors.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: He believed that there were no os were no Oswald
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: doubles or lookalikes. He thinks Oswald actually did all those things.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: Test of the car. He thinks Oswald bought the Pico Britto.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: He thinks Oswald went and got a gun. Part was
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: at the rifle range saying, you know, saying I'm gonna
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: kill Kennedy. Yeah, so I was like, that's interesting. So
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: he thinks Oswald actually really, actually really did do all
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: those things, but that he was being he was putting
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: on a he was being a fake, he was being
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: a provocateur. He was he he was what's the word
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for, he was double agent? Double agent.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: Does he think that Oswell was doing this all on
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: his own or was he being told to do this stuff?
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: Well, Uh, that's kind of a tricky one because he
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: died before is his his Oswald book came out, But
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: hopefully that will be released.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: The Final Charade.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know a couple I know someone or one
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: or two people who have the manuscript. And there's a
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: good book by some guy who got to know him
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: the last five years of his life, and he apparently
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: required a bunch of their conversations and transcribed them and
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: put them into a book that you can buy on Amazon.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: It's called Conversations with David Lifted. You can buy that.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: So if Final, if Final Charade, the book never comes out,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: then at least we have that book because it's like,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: you know, condensed version of it. Yeah, so uh, let's see, Roscoe,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: what's for I'm just looking at the questions, right, Is
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: there is there independent evidence that White and Tippett knew
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: each other?
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: No, no, there's not. Roscoe. White did not join the
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: academy until December. He was what you call a apprentice
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: police police officer.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in the photography, like Sally says here allegedly.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I know Armstrong has some wild ass theories
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: about everything, frankly, but you know, he's done a lot
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: of good research. He's accumulated a lot of good documents, and.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: I'm really sure about all the stuff he's written in
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: the past couple of years. But his book, Carvey and
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: Lee is pretty solid. Is solid.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the research is solid. I'm just not convinced of
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: the premise, if you know what I'm saying.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he thinks like that that they were to Oswald's,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: like raced from birth by the CIA and all that stuff.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, but everyone agreed. Yeah, and he
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: thinks that in Oswald. Look at one of the that
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: the Oswald look alike shot Jeddy Tippitt. I I do
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: not think that it was an Oswald look alike who
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: shot Tipp based on the eyewitness descriptions of the killer
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: they don't match.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: And he's got tipp it Harvey took the fall.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder how that feels, because it's like no
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: one on either side but wholeheardly buys John Armstrong's theories.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: They just picked believe some of his stuff. I believe this.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that, you know.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: So one thing that I did see I came across
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: and that.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: Must be hard for no one to fully buy your conclusion.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: David brings it up. Did Roscoe White work at Jagger's
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: child stove?
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: All?
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: I think? Greg Lowry said that.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: I believe so, Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. They both
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: rex Marines, both are with the same Japanese air base. Yeah,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: there's even a supposed photo of them together. But and
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: they're like, well that's Ross, that's Roscoe behind Oswald, and
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: it's like it's we can't tell who that is, you know,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: we can't tell who that is.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of smoke there, you know, with
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: the plump on his arm and the way he's standing
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: in some photo. Yeahtography.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Uh, it is true that Roscoe White took home,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: as did a bunch of the other cops. They took
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: home souvenirs, pieces of evidence. And what Roscoe White and
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: another cop had was the third backyard photo of Oswald.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so people are saying, and when Ricky found, when
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: his son Ricky found opened up his foot locker and
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: found the diary and all of his dad's possessions, you know,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: all that stuff he had, you know, photos of Tippett
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: and Oswald, And people are like, oh, that proves that
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: he knew them. It's like, no, it proves that he
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: was interested in the case, and he took he took
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: he had copies, you know, copies of Tippet. He worked
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: on the force, so he had access to make two Yeah,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: to take souvenirs home. I mean, and even and even
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: if he didn't do that, those very common photos that
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: he had in his possession. The only one that wasn't
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: common was the third backyard photo that his widow gave
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: to the Palace Assassinations Committee in the seventies and which
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: is online now.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: The Dallas Police did not turn over all their evidence
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: to the FBI, and they held some ship back, you know.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: And they took some stuff home a souvenirs. Yeah, pull,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: that's comment about.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: His sure, since the original diary was either stolen or lost,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: the diary we have we have is from his son's
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: memory or Geneva's. His wife, Geneva faked a copy of
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: Roscoe's diary as well.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, so here's what happened there. Ricky White and his
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: wife Tricia have memorized the diary entry, which a lot
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: of people don't realize. I bring that up and people
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: are like, what we have? We know exactly what Roscoe
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: wrote in his in his diary because his son Ricky
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: and his wife memorized it. They read it over and
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: over and over from nineteen eighty two to nineteen eighty
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: eight or something like that, and they both independently were
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: called from memory exactly what it says.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: So we do have.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: So we don't have the diary because it was still
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: by the FBI, but we have the memorization. But the
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: reason why the Roscoe White story crashed and burned in
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one or something like that, was because Geneva,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: Roscoe's widow, said oh, I have this other diary right here,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: and she faked it, and the news and the news
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: news news media thought.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: She thought she was thought, huh they ate or alive
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: over it.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they thought she was talking. They thought she was
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: admitting to faking the original diary. No, no, no, no,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: no no, it's like no, no no. That original diary
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: was Roscoe. It was stolen. And then later Geneva said, oh,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: I have another one. So the media didn't understand. And
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: that's why this whole thing is crashed and burned. That's
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: why there was never.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: Some crazy stuff coming out.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: Confused. Even researcher Dave Perry confused that whenever I interviewed
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: him on Roscoe why he said, oh, she was caught
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: faking the faking diary entries. And I said, no, Dave,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: he's she created another diary the original. It's totally separate
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: from and he was just like silence. I don't think
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: he even realized that he's the big expert on Roscoe White.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: So so yeah, and Ricky White says, you know, my
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: mother faked that diary. I don't know why she did that,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: but you know, she shot us all on the foot.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: She shot shot our credibility. But he says, but the
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: truth is is that is that I'm telling the truth.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: My dad left this diary behind where he says that
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: he killed.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: Kennedy and.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I memorized it and it was stolen by
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: the FBI.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: Wow, all right, man, I think we're coming up here
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: on almost two hours, dude.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: I joined about ten minutes in.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: All good. Well, look, man, I appreciate you coming on
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: and hanging out with us and talking some tipp it.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I've been wanting to get you on here
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: for a while and I'm glad to finally get you
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: on here and.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: Again because there's just so much to talk about. I mean,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: I could literally go on for two hours without repeating myself.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: It's just there's just so much. Never just I realized
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: that pretty recent, like last year as well. It's like,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: just like with the kassassination, this tip of thing, it
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: never ends either, even though it was a smaller crime
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: in a smaller area with lesser witnesses, just like with
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: the kaossassination. For some reason, it never ends. There's always
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: something else, something new.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I have to get you back on and
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: maybe getting into some of the medical stuff as well,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: because I'm not too hip on a lot of it,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: and I get confused with a lot of it as well,
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  Speaker 1: so we can definitely do that in the future. But man,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on and hang.
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  Speaker 2: It out with me. Thanks for inviting me. Thanks for
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  Speaker 2: inviting me.
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  Speaker 1: I know our folks in the chat loved it, and
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  Speaker 1: folks that's going to do it for this evening, Matt,
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  Speaker 1: hang out with me here for a second. Well we
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  Speaker 1: Dean Andrews singing this out of here and we'll see you,
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  Speaker 1: I guess on next Wednesday, members only. Well, I kind
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  Speaker 1: of do a part two to this, a little follow
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  Speaker 1: up and until then. For Matt David, remember in the
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  Speaker 1: description of this video, it's a link to his YouTube page.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure you check it out. Go get him a follow,
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  Speaker 1: and check out his content. He does good work. And
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  Speaker 1: if you're into Facebook and Facebook groups, find it was
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  Speaker 1: a JD tippet searching for the Truth.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. That's where I'm on every day. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: do have a JFK group. It's it's called JFK Nothing
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  Speaker 2: but the Truth. But you know that's aid. As you
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  Speaker 2: said at the beginning of those JFK groups, they're a
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  Speaker 2: real mess. But if you want to see me post
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  Speaker 2: daily on the tippet murder, go to my Facebook group
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  Speaker 2: A J D.
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  Speaker 4: Tippet searching for the Truth. That's the place to go
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  Speaker 4: to reach me. If you want to get to Matt,
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  Speaker 4: that's how you get him. All right, folks, do you know,
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  Speaker 4: get your fat ass in here.
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  Speaker 3: He did not talk for the record, but he said,
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  Speaker 3: come to Bourbon Street and I'll show you what I
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  Speaker 3: think of the case.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, air that been down with Joe's pure nice.
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  Speaker 3: Gret just lies in the name of truth. The greatest
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  Speaker 3: crimes are committed in the name of justice. The quotation
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  Speaker 3: is Jim Garrison's. It could be used for him or
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  Speaker 3: against him in this strange case.
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  Speaker 2: Good night. Unfortunately they never Yeah, they never recovered after
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  Speaker 2: We're still alive in now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah another hot second.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to New I went to New Orleans.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone