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Do Ben and Ashley Have FOMO? · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with on our radio.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Almost Famous podcast. Today Ashley and
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  Speaker 2: I are together. It's always a gift. Finally, you're just
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  Speaker 2: so busy.
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  Speaker 3: You had a trip too?
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  Speaker 2: I did, and yeah, this past week, some of our
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  Speaker 2: Almost Famous crew went to Tahoe for a second annual
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  Speaker 2: pickleball event. Ashley and myself were not there this year because,
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  Speaker 2: as Ashley mentioned, I hosted thirty six guys at the
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  Speaker 2: Big Cedar Lodge in Missouri, including Jared her husband.
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  Speaker 3: Had a wonderful time.
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  Speaker 2: It was awesome. And then a bunch of my other friends,
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  Speaker 2: some from Bachelor Nation, a lot that were not from
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation. We did have Tanner there and Wells and
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  Speaker 2: Dean and Chris Harrison was there, a really good crew.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Grocery Store. Joe was supposed to be joining us,
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  Speaker 2: but obviously, if you've been listening to our headlines, he
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  Speaker 2: just recently had brain surgery so he could not make it.
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  Speaker 2: But I have a feeling he'll be back for our
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  Speaker 2: trip next year. Now, this all kind of fell on
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  Speaker 2: top of a difficult time for Ashley and I to
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  Speaker 2: make this trip. It's a great trip, but because Ashley
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  Speaker 2: and I weren't there, some others did get to join.
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  Speaker 2: It did look like from social media, Ashley, it's weird
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  Speaker 2: to see almost famous, I know, without us, it just
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  Speaker 2: seems odd at this point. I guess that always has.
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  Speaker 4: So obviously we have Trista and Bob as kind of
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  Speaker 4: like our co host. You know, they do the OG
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  Speaker 4: podcast and it's all in our feed, so.
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  Speaker 3: We get it. They led the way.
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  Speaker 4: But it is always funny to be like they al say,
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  Speaker 4: this podcast presenting not bet at Ashley, but it's all good.
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  Speaker 4: There's some drama that happened. It felt like a Housewives
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  Speaker 4: experience over there. If you listen to one of the
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  Speaker 4: podcasts that was recorded with Joan, Trista and Courtney.
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  Speaker 2: I got us before we jump into this. Ashley, You're right,
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  Speaker 2: it was a pretty intense conversation at times. I've always
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  Speaker 2: been the believer that you know, when you have an
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  Speaker 2: issue with somebody, confrontation, usually not on a recording, but
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  Speaker 2: one on one confrontation is the best way to at
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  Speaker 2: least confront it.
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  Speaker 3: The only kind of confrontation I've known now for eleven
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  Speaker 3: years now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does, Honestly, it does feel normal for me.
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  Speaker 2: I can remember back in the day when you know,
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  Speaker 2: Colton was like, Hey, nobody reached out to me when
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  Speaker 2: I came out from Bachelor Nation. I was like, that's
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  Speaker 2: not true. And so we had him on and we
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  Speaker 2: talked about it because I don't know if he answers
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  Speaker 2: my call, and we had a great conversation kind of
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  Speaker 2: like got you know, got clarity. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that's healthy or not, but it does seem like in
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  Speaker 2: today's age, when you are more in the public eye,
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  Speaker 2: these things happen on either TV or on podcasts, and
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  Speaker 2: that's what I want to talk to you about. You
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  Speaker 2: have Yeah, our producer right in our conversation with Mel
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  Speaker 2: Owns is a great example of this. Yeah, and again Mel,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know Mel. You don't know Mel. We would
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  Speaker 2: have never been able to reach out to Mel, and
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  Speaker 2: we probably could have messaged him. There was ways, but
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  Speaker 2: it did feel like hashing out so that the public
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  Speaker 2: is also aware of where we stand. Maybe it was
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  Speaker 2: like the best of options. I don't know. It's a
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  Speaker 2: very like confusing confrontational arrangement that we have in today's world.
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  Speaker 2: But actually, since the moment I've known you, you have
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  Speaker 2: never loved confrontation. You don't. I mean, you don't typically
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  Speaker 2: get in fights with others. You're very easy going, you're
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  Speaker 2: very understanding, you like to see where the other person's
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  Speaker 2: coming from. You're curious, and so you don't have these
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  Speaker 2: like strong stances on a lot of things. You're just
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  Speaker 2: more open and curious to sitch situations, which kind of
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  Speaker 2: allows you to not have these like direct moments of confrontation.
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  Speaker 2: And also, it's very rare if I've ever heard you
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  Speaker 2: speak ill about somebody outside of like some very unique
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  Speaker 2: situations that you and I both agreed on where we're like,
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  Speaker 2: can we just talk about this? But you've been a
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  Speaker 2: part of something we don't talk about a lot on
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  Speaker 2: the show The Housewives. Now the Housewives since I've watched it,
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  Speaker 2: at least, has been all about confrontation in the wildest scenarios,
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  Speaker 2: talking about the weirdest things. Have you personally gotten more
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  Speaker 2: comfortable sitting in the room or listening to other people
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  Speaker 2: hash it out?
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  Speaker 3: The short answer is yes.
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  Speaker 4: What I have come to realize is that Housewives, to
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  Speaker 4: some extent, the true reality of it all is really
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  Speaker 4: figuring out how you deal with conflict and work your
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  Speaker 4: way through it, and I've been thinking recently, it's really funny.
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  Speaker 3: When I was in this sounds because sounds so stupid.
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  Speaker 3: When I was in fourth.
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  Speaker 2: Grade, I love a good childhood trauma story.
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  Speaker 3: The teachers had to choose.
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  Speaker 4: I guess it was like ten kids out of like
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  Speaker 4: the group of like one hundred and twenty students to
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  Speaker 4: be pure mediators, and I was one of them chosen.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm finding myself to have always had the quality
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  Speaker 4: in me to like kind of sit and listen to
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  Speaker 4: both sides and be empathetic towards both sides and like
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  Speaker 4: probably lean towards more one side. But apparently I can
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  Speaker 4: kind of like calmly walk I can kind of calmly
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  Speaker 4: walk through conflict more so when it's not my own,
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  Speaker 4: obviously when it's my own, but then I think when
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  Speaker 4: it's my own, I also just tried to like put
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  Speaker 4: it in perspective.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, how much of a big deal is this?
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  Speaker 2: So just listen and we're going to get into the
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  Speaker 2: details of the Joan, Trista and Courtney conversation that did
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  Speaker 2: happen at the almost famous trip in Tahoe. Listening to this,
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  Speaker 2: it was a hard listen for me. Personally, I don't
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  Speaker 2: mind conflict as much. I think in business or in
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  Speaker 2: life or coming through this world. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: things said and a lot of criticisms given, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't necessarily mind standing up for what I believe I
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  Speaker 2: intentionally did not do or did do. Yeah, But I
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  Speaker 2: also just I don't love it. And this was a
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  Speaker 2: hard listen for me. It took me three different listening
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  Speaker 2: segments to get through about ten minutes each. So listening
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  Speaker 2: to this back for you, were you uncomfortable? We know
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  Speaker 2: all three of these people, we personally enjoy all three
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  Speaker 2: of these people individually. I didn't love listening to this,
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  Speaker 2: quite honest. I mean, I guess like the people will
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  Speaker 2: listen and should listen because there's stuff there and that's
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  Speaker 2: what people love to do. But I don't like.
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  Speaker 4: It because I've known these people for so many years
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  Speaker 4: and I do feel a connection to each of them.
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  Speaker 4: I mean more so Trista and Courtney, because Joan is
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  Speaker 4: like relatively new to this whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: I listened to it.
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  Speaker 4: The reason that I felt like nerved listening to it
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  Speaker 4: is because I knew we were going to come on
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  Speaker 4: here and talk about it. Now if if we weren't
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  Speaker 4: going to then I would probably Well, this is kind
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  Speaker 4: of how I took it. I listened to everyone, and
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  Speaker 4: everyone had valid things to say, and then everybody also
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  Speaker 4: I felt like a lot of the drama is so
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  Speaker 4: outdated and it is still lingering to them, and I
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  Speaker 4: can't say that I if somebody does me wrong, in
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  Speaker 4: which a lot of people have not, okay, it's very
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  Speaker 4: much not a common thing in my life.
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  Speaker 3: I just try not to get there. Ever.
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  Speaker 4: I try not to involve myself in conflict, right, but
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  Speaker 4: the rare occasion, and we could like say bad Lands
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  Speaker 4: for example.
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  Speaker 2: Actually it's wild that when you think of like somebody
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  Speaker 2: doing you wrong, you go.
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  Speaker 4: Back to the bast I need you to think about
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  Speaker 4: when the last time that something dramatic happened to you personally,
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  Speaker 4: where you were in a dramatic conflict that is like
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  Speaker 4: a dramatic conflict, and then like Bachelor and Paradise three
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  Speaker 4: also like kind of it's a less dramatic conflict.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't like a pinnacle point as if ballads.
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  Speaker 4: But think about it, then almost the last time you
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  Speaker 4: were in a dramatic conflict, it had to have been
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  Speaker 4: on the show.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, not all, Oh, okay, was it business. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot of business, it's some personal like, uh
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think, uh, well, it's interesting for me
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  Speaker 2: that you we'd have to do a deep dive. But
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  Speaker 2: I think when relations friendships get closer, I think I'm
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  Speaker 2: more easily hurt than you because of being an only child.
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  Speaker 2: I think I've always seen my friendships as closer or
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  Speaker 2: more loyal than maybe what others perceive or think, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe they just have thicker skin. And so there's I
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  Speaker 2: would say it's not uncommon for me to call up
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  Speaker 2: somebody and say, hey, this is what I heard you
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  Speaker 2: said about something in my life.
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  Speaker 3: He's a housewife.
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  Speaker 4: I'll never go up to anyone and be like, so
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  Speaker 4: I heard, because I'm just like, I'll just call my
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  Speaker 4: sister invent and then I'm done.
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  Speaker 2: See that's good.
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  Speaker 4: It's a sister thing. I do think it comes down
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  Speaker 4: to you being an oled child.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not uncommon for me to have moments
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  Speaker 2: of at least intense conversations. But I think it's always
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  Speaker 2: the hope. I would never have those conversations. I would
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  Speaker 2: never even confront them if the hope wasn't to get
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  Speaker 2: some sort of clarity forgiveness, understanding good, good things coming
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  Speaker 2: out of it, but it happens quite often.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so interesting.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I never ever have arguments with friends,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, why is that?
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  Speaker 3: Is it?
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  Speaker 4: Because my sister and I will just vent behind their
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  Speaker 4: back and we share most of them our friends and.
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  Speaker 3: Then we're just like, Okay, it's over.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like there was one mild one where one
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  Speaker 4: of our friends was like, hey, I feel like we
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  Speaker 4: are not connecting lately, and my sister and I had
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  Speaker 4: reasons as to why we were not.
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  Speaker 2: Did you communicate those reasons back to her when.
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  Speaker 4: She confronted us with it because we were like not
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  Speaker 4: being as warm as usual, and then we can you know,
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  Speaker 4: we did explain it and then she took it well.
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  Speaker 3: But and it needed to happen.
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  Speaker 4: It did need to happen, and I think my sister
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  Speaker 4: and I were just kept we kept saying like, we're like,
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  Speaker 4: we probably need to tell her. We probably because this
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  Speaker 4: is definitely affecting our friendship. But yeah, I mean like
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  Speaker 4: that's I was still like three years ago.
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  Speaker 2: I do think if I look back on the more
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  Speaker 2: interpersonal conflicts I've had outside of just feeling like hurt
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  Speaker 2: or in business, feeling like somebody wronged me or didn't support,
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  Speaker 2: you know, back me in something. I have some examples
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  Speaker 2: of conflicts with people and the Bachelor world. I could
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  Speaker 2: name a few.
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  Speaker 3: I can name a few for you, one being the
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  Speaker 3: guy that trashed your house.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, goodness, gracious, that was wild. Right, Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of forgot about that. I've like pushed that
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  Speaker 2: to the box that I don't think about much anymore.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, heck yeah, and I did confront that.
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  Speaker 3: That's worthy of confronting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that got wild. But I think in the Bachelor World,
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  Speaker 2: and I put myself in this category, at least initially
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  Speaker 2: coming off of it, we're big personalities. We got fairly
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  Speaker 2: big egos. Coming off the show. We probably are developing
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  Speaker 2: some narcissistic like tendencies and behaviors because we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: catch the next best thing and we think we're the
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  Speaker 2: best for it. I do think over time, I've done
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  Speaker 2: a lot of work personally, and I know you have
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  Speaker 2: as well too, And I don't know where it'd be
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  Speaker 2: more of a friendship conversation for you and I now
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  Speaker 2: that you're back on TV again, But to push those
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  Speaker 2: things down and to try to see myself in a
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  Speaker 2: way that is real and not you know, some bachelor guy.
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  Speaker 2: I think marriage has helped with that. I think being
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  Speaker 2: a dad is one hundred percent help with that.
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  Speaker 4: Like the parenthood thing definitely helps with it. To me,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's definitely perspective. It's like it doesn't matter, it's
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  Speaker 4: all it's done.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to feel that cool when you're getting pooped on,
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  Speaker 2: I think is the takeaway. But yeah, Bachelor World, I've
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  Speaker 2: had some moments of issue, especially early on, and there's
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  Speaker 2: probably still some lingering issue. The truth is, I heard
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  Speaker 2: a quot at once. If I don't have it, if
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  Speaker 2: if I have a conflict with somebody, it's worth picking
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  Speaker 2: up the phone and calling them and confronting it. If
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  Speaker 2: I don't have their phone number, it's probably not worth.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know them well enough to have a conflict
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  Speaker 2: with them. And I think that's probably a fair truthful statement,
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  Speaker 2: like I might not know why this person did what
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  Speaker 2: they did. I might be assuming a lot of things,
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  Speaker 2: and so it's hard for me to get too angry.
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  Speaker 4: This is also not for me to say like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like so above conflicts like I just brush everything over.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just like I think a venor a to other
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  Speaker 4: people like Jared and Lauren have to hear it. We're
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  Speaker 4: like Jared, oh my god, I can't believe that he
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  Speaker 4: did this, and like like this and that, like what
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  Speaker 4: is he thinking?
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  Speaker 3: Right? But then I will never actually say it to
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  Speaker 3: the person.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I have done it with each other.
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  Speaker 2: You can move on from getting it off your chest
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  Speaker 2: and venting to anybody. I venting never makes me feel better.
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  Speaker 2: It does, and honestly, most of the time makes me
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  Speaker 2: feel worse because.
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  Speaker 3: You feel like you're talking bad.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, talking bad is something that like I definitely
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  Speaker 2: don't want to do. But I also feel like I spiral.
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  Speaker 2: So I think I have this issue in my life
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  Speaker 2: where I feel like the outsider. That's like my big
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  Speaker 2: insecurity that I've written a book about. And so when
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  Speaker 2: I'm communicating to somebody why I'm in pain, it makes
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  Speaker 2: me feel more like the outsider, and then I just
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  Speaker 2: get sad. Yeah, So I don't vent and heal.
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  Speaker 3: Just different wirings.
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  Speaker 2: Just different wirings, both work speaking to different wirings. As
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  Speaker 2: I said, the group went to Tahoe, it did seem
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  Speaker 2: like overall, it was a great trip. We have producer
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  Speaker 2: Heather kind of sitting on the line to help us
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  Speaker 2: break this all down. But overall the feedback this was
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  Speaker 2: a really fun trip. There was boating, there was good dinners,
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  Speaker 2: there was drinks flowing. But in the midst of this
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  Speaker 2: something I was so unaware of. Actually, and maybe you
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  Speaker 2: were aware of this.
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  Speaker 3: No, I wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: But Joan, Trista and Courtney sit down. We've been following
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  Speaker 2: the updates with Courtney recently. She is and she'll let
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  Speaker 2: us know during this podcast. She's going through a lot.
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  Speaker 2: This is a very difficult season for her. She makes
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  Speaker 2: the statement in the show that she probably should have
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  Speaker 2: canceled the trip. I would argue Ashley that she should
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  Speaker 2: not have canceled this trip. That the best thing to
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  Speaker 2: do when you're in one of these scenarios is to
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  Speaker 2: surround yourself and try to have a good time, even
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  Speaker 2: if you really can't, just try to have a good time.
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  Speaker 4: Let's also just let you guys know that Courtney has
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  Speaker 4: recorded a podcast on her own about everything that happened
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  Speaker 4: with her soon to be ex husband. He was basically
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  Speaker 4: unfaithful for seven years.
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  Speaker 2: That's wild, I mean, very painful.
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  Speaker 4: And she sort of was starting to know this at
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  Speaker 4: the time that she was filming the HGTV show with Joan. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so she talks about how she and Joan got to
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  Speaker 4: be close, almost like a mother daughter dynamic because Courtney
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  Speaker 4: also lost her mom seven years ago. So first in
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  Speaker 4: this podcast, you're gonna hear between Joan and Courtney how
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  Speaker 4: Courtney hurt Joan's feelings a little bit really on one occasion,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, see, in this case, I would
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  Speaker 4: have just been like, ah, I'm never bringing that up again,
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  Speaker 4: Like I wish he texted me back, but it wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: have like hurt me deeply.
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  Speaker 2: See I'm opposite.
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  Speaker 3: See you were felt hurt.
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  Speaker 4: So what happened was Courtney and Joan had planned to
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  Speaker 4: hang out on their off day together. Courtney didn't respond
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  Speaker 4: to two texts from Joan being like, what's the plan
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  Speaker 4: for the day, and she definitely blew her off, and
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  Speaker 4: Courtney was like, I really just needed like time alone
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  Speaker 4: to dec and pressed.
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  Speaker 3: I felt overstimulated.
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  Speaker 4: And then Jones was like, okay, but why couldn't you
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  Speaker 4: just text me back? And I was like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: mean I see both sides very clearly, But if I
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  Speaker 4: were Joan in this situation, I've been like, unless somebody
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  Speaker 4: else started it with me, like not to bring this
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  Speaker 4: into myself, but but like during my season of Housewives,
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  Speaker 4: Kelsey said something to the press and I was like that, wait,
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  Speaker 4: hold a second, that is absolutely not true. And then
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  Speaker 4: I will respond. But I won't be the one that says,
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  Speaker 4: like Joan did, why did you not respond to my text?
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  Speaker 3: That hurt my feelings.
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  Speaker 2: There's a good chance, at least for me personally, I
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  Speaker 2: would have forgotten, not that I wanted to, I just
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  Speaker 2: would have forgotten why I was mad in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: Just I don't know if I'm just have a short
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  Speaker 2: memory or what. But I do think Ashley I saw
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  Speaker 2: Joan's side, and again I think Corney's great, She's one
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  Speaker 2: of my I loved talking to her. But I think
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  Speaker 2: I would take it very personally. I would feel like
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  Speaker 2: the outsider more than ever. I'd feel very sensitive. I
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  Speaker 2: would be hurt. I would wonder why she ignored me.
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  Speaker 2: Why you know, she made plans with other friends. Not
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: a big deal, but they really had to talk this through.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I think the underlying thing that was really brought up,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: but a lot of production, you know, excuse. When you
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: film a show with somebody, it's very hard to keep
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: a solid relationship with them when you're competing against them. Now,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: there's unique examples, and there's some unique personality types that
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: can do it, but on a show like that one Heather,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: our producer, brought up as she was hosting this conversation,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: We felt it the whole time we watched this series
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: that they wanted more drama than I think these contestants
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: were able to give, and as a result, they started
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: poking and prodding, which always ends in deep hurt. And
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: with Joe and Courtney, I think that's where we could
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: close this conversation was they were hurt by each other,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: never really confronted it. It didn't feel like they disliked
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: each other or that there was like this deep wounded pain. Yeah,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: they just had to talk it out, which I think
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: they could have easily done on the phone.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: They just had to talk it out.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: There was a lot of show involved there, a lot
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: with Courtney being I feel like, such an introvert and
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: really needing her alone time and the show not allowing
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: her to have her alone time, and she got into
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: a sticky situation where like sometimes like the need to
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: be alone kind of comes across as offensive to somebody else.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: But like, also, if you're gonna be like that, you
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: have to be over communicative.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I find that with Housewives. I try my best to like.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Literally tell everybody everything that I've said about them, Do
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, like honest to a fault.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: It's like the opposite of the Housewives show.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: If you just keep telling people what you're telling that
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: and I'm saying like this on like on air, like
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: on camera, I'd be like, Hi, yes I did this, Hi,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Yes I did that. Like we're they you know, we're
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: not like allowed to talk. We were allowed to talk,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: but we're not like allowed to be like so I said,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: because they can't take our phones like they do on
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: The Bachelor. It's a different kind of environment where you
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: really have to say things on camera. And the more
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: like you're weirdly honest, the better it's gonna go.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Oh. I think that's a great I think that's a
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: great lesson for any reality television is the more you're
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: like overly honest, yeah, the less conflict you're gonna have
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: because there's gonna be others there that are not as honest,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: which does lead us Ashley again. Everybody should go listen
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: to this conversation. It's out on the almost famous thread.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Ashley and I are just here to kind of break
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: it down a little bit. We're not going to get
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: into the details because you need to listen to it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: This is just our takem from hearing the conversation. All
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, it switches gears. Joan and Courtney kind
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: of come to an understanding. They're very lovey to each other, like, hey,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: let's be friends and all that stuff. They say nice
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: things about each other.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I'm like, why is Trista here?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: That was my question. Oh my goodness, it blows up.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Trista and Courtney have this feud Ashley that has lasted, goodness,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: twenty years.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Heather, I need to bring you in for this because
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: I felt like this conflict came out of nowhere, like
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, it was like.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Beep, Oh, it's my turn to con like to complain
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: about you. What was the source?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: What brought this up?
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: You said this on a podcast because the podcast was
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: extremely outdated when you were promoting your book in twenty thirteen, fourteen,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: you brought this up.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: I knew that this conflict existed. I'd heard about the tweets.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: This is that's how deep you go, girl, like you
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: are twelve years in research.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I heard from a source.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: But this this.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: Was not like I knew this. I knew this going
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: in that there was some issues and and I didn't
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: know anybody was going to be referencing podcasts and emails
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: from twenty fourteen.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: That was a surprise.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, Courtney and Trista both had the receipts of
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: these emails, this back and forth Ashley.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: And an email, like an email she pulled up from
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: a decade plus ago, right, was that that email was.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: From a four a decade ago.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was titled Olive Branch.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I when the conversation started, knowing both of them, I
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: was like, this is going to just be like, like,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: why are we recording this? I think we've justified why
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: recordings happened in the midst of confrontation when it comes
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: to people in public figures. But I originally thought this
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: is going to be one of those like hey, I
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: love you and oh I love you too, and this
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: has been such a fun weekend and we're good, let's
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: move forward. It was not that it went down into
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the depths of hurt and pain and things said as
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: you As you mentioned Ashley, it was a podcast that
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: was listened to in preparation for this conversation from like
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: twelve years ago, and in fact, I guess as we
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: close and we kind of pass our listeners off to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: go listen to this conversation. My takeaway from it was
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: that there was not a resolution.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: No, not at all, No, definitely not at all. That Heather,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: you just you cut that thing off.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, you made like an awkward comment about like,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: so it's great that we aired this out and.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Hopefully we can move on goodbye. And it was just like, wow,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: there's so much tension left in the room.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: There was there's a cop just a preview for you
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: guys listening to this point who are listening to this
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: podcast but haven't listened to that one yet.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Like there was a C word that was one time
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: used to.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Describe one of these girls and the other one laughed, look,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: I'm teasing right now, so you have to like listen.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: That was shocking when it was said, I was not
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: expecting that. And the other thing that did you guys
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: hear when I was like, would you mind uncrossing your arms?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my question for you, Heather, as the
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: host of this Obviously you didn't get hired on to
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: this show, to the host, but you found yourself hosting
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of episodes at this point. That felt like
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: a fairly aggressive move by you to ask them to
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: uncross their arms, Like that would be very I would
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess when I was in person with somebody,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I would have to really feel like that arm crossing.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Their body language was so bad that in order to
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: have this conversation I would have to ask them to relax.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: So you felt something at that moment that you said, hey, please,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And I don't know who you're saying it to.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: I was saying it.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: To Courtney, okay, sitting next to me, and in doing
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: hundreds of on camera auditions, people cross their arms when
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: they are uncomfortable, and that body language on camera reads
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: as and we weren't rolling cameras on this unfortunately or
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: fortunately however you want to look at it, But that
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: kind of body language reads as I don't want to
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: be here, which very apparent right.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Or protecting herself, protecting herself.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: It's but either way, when you watch somebody on camera,
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: or you're looking at somebody across the way who's sitting
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: like this, it is it's not open and receptive to
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: what happening. So I kindly asked, and I will say
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: that that lasted for maybe three seconds and then the
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: arms crossed again.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: So I just let it go.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: But I was trying to initiate openness, and I didn't
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: think that we were going to end in a huge
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: hug or anything. I didn't think it was going to
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: end the way that it did, where I was just like, oh, okay,
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: we hugged to end this.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Courty is saying I'm uncomfortable, like I don't like being
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: in this situation.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Everybody was uncomfortable. I'll say that everybody.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: I was uncomfortable. I'm thousands of miles away from there.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I guess the word to describe it, Heather was it
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: was It was a good move. It was bold, and
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: that you confronted body language in the midst of a
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: conversation that was confronting pain, and I think that was
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: a very bold move. I do think it was the
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: right move, but it felt like it would have been
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable for you to even bring it up. We have
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: a lot going on there. Trista mentions that she is
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: about to have a panic attack. Courtney is shaking from
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the inside out. It did not feel like a room
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: that was cultivating a hug and so listeners, I would
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: just go listen to it. Yeah, you know, for no
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: other reason. I really don't know why you'd listen to it,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: but other than just be intrigued.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Exactly, I'm not on anyone's side right now. I think
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: this is no.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: They there's just like a lot of pass between them.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Apparently it's all outdated, which you know doesn't honestly, it's
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: like you can move on or you could be like
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: me and like remember forever. So no, no shade to
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: them prolonging this that happened over a decade ago. There's
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: something about mean tweets coming from Trista. So now we
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: know that we'll never invite the two of them again.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: No, I'm going to oh now we're going to fix it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: We're going we don't need to fix it. This is
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: what I this is.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: This is my ultimate takeaway, is that they're never going
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: to be on the same way length They just don't drive.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: There are people like this in this world, and I
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: have to deal with them on a very regular basis.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: And sometimes they just shouldn't go in the same room together.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: You're right, Ashley at this point is our resident expert
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: on confrontation, conflict, and relational dynamics. Go listen to the
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: conversation that existed in Tahoe. Send us your feedback either
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: on our social media or through email. We do have
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: a hotline now you can call into. You can share
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: with us all everything you think. I want to be clear,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Ashley and myself were not there, but this was a
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: conversation that I know when you listen to it, sounds
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: like nobody wanted to be there and having this, but
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: they from our sources, including our producer, this was an
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: agreed upon episode to have. We did not force them
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: into a room to have to battle each other. This
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: was something that all of them were willing to do
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: able to do. Did it come out in the best way?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You'll have to judge for yourself, but
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: go listen to it. Bob and Trista will also be
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: doing a breakdown here from one of the people involved.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: If you go listen to that on our almost famous
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: thread as well. Hey, we got more episodes coming your Way.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: This week, Ashley and myself will be together doing a
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: lot of them. Will also continue to break down the
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Ultimate Girls Trip, Real Housewives Travel. I forget the name
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: You're just having the ultimate time recaping.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something, it's something. We'll be back soon. Until
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: next time, I've been Ben, I've been Ashley.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: See you guys. Thank you.
• 29:44
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