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Green & Gold Brothers Epidsode 8 · Green and Gold Brothers

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast, the place for all things Packers related.
• 0:10
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• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Zach.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Cody.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: Our Green Bay Packers took a big L this week, 22 to 39 to the Minnesota Vikings.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not what we were expecting for week one.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: That was a tough one, man.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we we had talked about potentially potentially recording after the game on Sunday, and just decided it was a good idea to just take a break for a day, and then we started talking about it again amongst ourselves.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very frustrating one.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: Overall, not the result that we thought.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: First half was pretty promising, I thought.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there was definitely some some good uh in the first half.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: There was a lot of good, actually, I thought, even with the onslaught of blitz that Brian Flores was bringing uh in the first half, still the numbers looked good.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: The the results looked good.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean you could see for yourself what it looked like.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: They had a lead at half.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um it was not necessarily the most fluid and and prettiest offense they've ever run, but it was working.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: There were tons of explosives throughout the game, um specifically the first half.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: I liked how we were, you know, moving the ball, getting Christian Watson involved right away.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Matthew Golden had his best game as a pro.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: I know he's only a year two.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: Tucker Kraft was right back to the same old Tucker Kraft.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: He looked really he looked really good.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: But um yeah, I guess when a defense brings pressure 80% of the time, it's pretty pretty hard to stop.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um that is completely unheard of for those of you who are not aware.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, to put that into context, uh the next closest team in week one in bringing pressure was Washington, Dan Quinn, who also likes to blitz, um, although I think he gave up defensive play calling.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: I over yeah, that is true.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: I overheard.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: But uh still obviously it's his system.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: They brought a blitz 51% of the time, which is still a lot.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's you know, obviously that's half.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: And Minnesota was bringing guys, extra guys every play.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: And on top of it, on top of their being extra, our line didn't do a very good job picking up the stunts and the uh just the extra guys communicating on who had who.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't blame Brian Flores at all.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: I I would have kept coming too because it they were giving him cracks and they were taking it.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: I tip my cap to Brian Flores.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: He had a game plan coming into the game, stuck to it for four quarters, and it worked tremendously for him.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: We were able to take take advantage of some of those early on um in the first half there.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like I mentioned earlier, Christian Watson, Matthew Golden, Tucker Kraft.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um second half, I don't know exactly what happened in the locker room or I mean it momentum was a huge thing.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: We've talked about that already.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: That I think honestly was probably the most important thing.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and it I haven't seen it talked about anywhere.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so you know, maybe maybe people who know more than we do are gonna disagree on that.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: But having played football way back a hundred years ago when I was younger, and um, you know, being pretty in-depth and watching it, momentum is is enormous.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you get you get a good bounce, you get a turnover, you get a stop like on a fourth down, and then you get a stop on defense, but it give up a penalty, and you give up the first down, and then it happens again, and then again.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: But momentum is huge, huge, huge, and it it just snowballs, and you go from having a lead, and this this isn't just about this Packer game in particular.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: You can go from having a lead to all of a sudden now you're down a score or two, and you just you can't stop it.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're trying to stop an avalanche with a shovel, yeah, is basically the metaphor, and good luck.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, overall, I mean, it's just it's very frustrating.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: It to me, my biggest thing I struggled with um is just watching it crumble so quickly down the stretch there.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: You go from like you said, having the lead to we'll get into the penalties here that were called um in a little bit, but just the penalty after penalty after penalty, and then you know, y you give up a touchdown, you get the ball back, and then sack fumble, and then they score, and then you get the ball back, and then a tipped pass for an interception, and at that point turn turn the TV off because it's it's over.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right, and that happened in a matter of minutes, you know, real time minutes.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's overall it's frustrating for me.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um we we knew going into this season throughout training camp, the offensive line was the biggest question.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: We brought it up on this podcast multiple times.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: If you're on social media, I mean everybody's been talking about the offensive line, how's it gonna work, how's it gonna look?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um a lot of the stuff they were struggling with was day one stuff.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, um, communication mostly, I don't think technique.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think technique was was fun.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: These players, they have the technique, they're they're NFL players, they've been doing this their whole lives.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: The technique wasn't the problem.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think it just a lot of miscommunication.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a tough place to play your first time together.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: We we've talked about this extensively on here that continuity was going to be a big factor in the offensive line's improvement.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, continuity doesn't come after two preseason games and some training camp practices.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this might take a little bit of time.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then on top of it, you go into Minnesota with Brian Flores who was blitzing with his hair on fire, bald-headed hair, and he he just kept coming because he was gonna do it until we we stopped it, and they never did.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: I honestly I think even if we he might have changed some things, you know, down the stretch there, but even if we're even if we were getting more explosive plays than we already had, I still feel like Flores was gonna keep sending the house no matter what.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: He does that anyway.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but uh there were times where he it was working.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it it worked majority of the game, but Jordan Love is an elite quarterback and he was able to uh make something out of nothing in a lot of those plays.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he bailed his offensive line out a ton.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, but I just I still feel like Flores had his plan and he was sticking to it no matter what.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: On that a little bit, you you mentioned that earlier.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't necessarily disagree with you.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: It obviously was part of the plan.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he's he's a good coordinator, he's been a head coach, he knows how to coach in this league.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: I do think that part of it, and this this goes for everybody, really.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like if something's working, you're gonna stick to it.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: I do think the game plan maybe wasn't necessarily on Friday and Saturday to blitz that often, but once you start running those, and I mean they can see they can see a whole lot better than what we see on TV.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: So you see the lack of communication and guys coming free.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like I said before, you're not gonna stop until they make you stop.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the Packers never did.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: So again, was his plan to blitz that often?
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe not as often as what he ended up doing, but because we couldn't stop it, then you're just gonna keep going to it.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, overall, just very frustrated.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, something I'm gonna bring up right now just to get it out of the way.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I brought it up to Cody here before we started recording, and it's it's something that's been brought up for the last year now, not just by us fans, not just by you know the media, um Ed Policy, the the president of the team, Brian Gudukun is the general manager of the team, Matt LaFleur, his coordinators, the players, they put a huge emphasis on we got to finish games, we got to find a way to finish in the fourth quarter, we got to find a way to put these teams out of it.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: So they've talked about it as players in the locker room, as an organization, and it's that's the most frustrating part is you hear all this stuff, you get amped up for it, you get excited as a fan, thinking, well, they're paying attention to it, they're gonna fix it.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then the first game of the season, it happens again.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I will say, I will a little bit of pushback on that.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I do, I absolutely agree with you.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: It is it is very much feeling like here we go again, you know, and I don't I don't think we're not gonna win a game until Micah comes back, and I think there's more to it than just one player.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: However, saying it and emphasizing it, and then you come into week one with a whole new team, just because you say it doesn't mean it's magically gonna happen.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: And the fact that it didn't happen doesn't mean that you didn't try to avoid it.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I'm with you, I I need to see more, and it's gotta get there.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, like let's let's pump the brakes a little bit.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody has a whole, not just you.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: That just because oh, well, they must not have actually meant it.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's not exactly how this works.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's not what I'm saying either.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's I I know you're not.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like Rome wasn't built in the day.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna thank you, you're not gonna take you know, a huge issue from last season that the team struggled with, and it was big, and you're gonna fix it in an offseason.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: Again, just because you say you do.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I if we get uh you know week nine or ten and it's still an issue where five blown leads and yeah, we lose a couple of these games crunch time because uh the offense can't finish or the defense can't stop, or we miss uh miss a field goal to take the lead, then I'm gonna be pretty upset.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'll be sitting here in front of this microphone and I'm not gonna be screaming, but I'm gonna could be pretty somber episodes, I'll give you that.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: So overall, I mean, it's it's very unfortunate, but I hope they can fix it, and I hope they fix it soon.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, especially the offensive line miscommunication issues.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's been it's been said by multiple uh commentators and reporters over the last couple days here, but if this offensive line doesn't figure it out, I don't think we're gonna be seeing Jordan Love play all 17 games this season.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: I I think he's gonna get hurt.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, some of the hits he took were so flag worthy.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know, man.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Let's let's talk about the penalties right now, minus well, right?
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, sure, yeah.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, unless you had something else in mind.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: They can it can wait.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll jump to that.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: So the Packers had 12 penalties called on them for 98 yards, including three of them, as we mentioned, on the drive after they turned it over on fourth down that would have got them off the field three separate times.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: They got called for a penalty.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I understand officiating is a very hard job, and it goes with any sport baseball, basketball, hockey.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's one of people's favorite things to complain about.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: I've umped, I've done a little refing with some stuff a long time ago, but even just doing you know the level of young kids, it's sometimes difficult.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: So they have a very tough job, and it is very a very fast game, it's very uh physical, and there is a lot of gray area when it comes to a lot of these penalties.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: However, to have a discrepancy of 12 to 3 is sort of alarming, and I'm not I'm not gonna sit here and say, oh, it's rigged and they were, you know, paid off and whatever.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: I hate it when people talk like that and think it's just absolutely ridiculous.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm with you there for sure.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: But the fact that they had that many, it's it's very frustrating that it was called that way.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: Not that I think there was any malicious intent, that there was anything, you know, behind the scenes going on.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: It just was very frustrating.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: They had the Packers had six pre-snap penalties.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's not a missed call.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: That yeah, that's that's a mistake.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's on that needs to be cleaned up.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, we're we're specifically talking here, you know, your defense three separate times did their job.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Did their job for kind of loud.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: The the punt team was on the field for the first one called against Javon Buller, the legal contact.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they almost went to commercial.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then you see the the little yellow notification on the bottom flag, or you know, you know what I'm saying.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: But it's uh we both looked at each other because we watched the game together.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, what the heck is happening here?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's the flag?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then they played it back, you know, the replay.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: That one's a tikky-tacky one.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: Could it have been called, or should it?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, I guess, by the letter of the rule.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: Have there been far worse that haven't been?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, pick a game from this week.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: I guarantee you there were less penalties or penalties that were less egregious that or were more egregious that weren't called.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was just a a crucial situation, you know.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: You you you think your team's getting off the field on third down in a game that's kind of on the edge of disaster, and you you just you don't know what's going to happen, so it felt good, and all of a sudden a flag.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you gotta be kidding me.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, at that point, even after the next one, even after the pick that got wiped away, it would have validated the decision to take the field goal off the board and go for it rather than keeping the the eight-point lead.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: You gave up the the possession, Minnesota got the ball back, they should have gone three and out.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's a flag.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, one, sure, that might happen.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: Then it happens again with uh, in my opinion, bogus roughing the passer.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Even JJ Watt and the commentators were talking about it that that should not have been a penalty.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was literally teach tape, especially for a 300-pounder.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he put both his hands out, he did not land on him.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh from what we could see, obviously the the refs saw something different, but I was I disagreed with that one.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was not a fan of that.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: I I know um it was Chris McClellan, I believe, who um got called for the penalty after the game.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he owned it, you know.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: He I can't do that.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's a rookie.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's his debut.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: He did all the right things there in that situation, and I I don't know.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: I we're not on the team, we're not in the league, we're we're far from all that, but I don't know what a guy needs to do at that point.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what are these defenders supposed to do in those situations?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Spin?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: But how do you do that at that size?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: They just want you to not tackle the quarterback, you can't even look at him at this point, or else they're gonna throw a flag.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it feels like that.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: And and don't get me wrong, I mean, it I don't think that it's becoming ridiculous.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: You see some crazy takes online where people are all whiny and talking about, oh, we'll just put flags on them, or you can't even touch them.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: That that's not what it is, but that was a very questionable call in a very, very big situation.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm this is me talking silly right now, if I'm Matt LaFleur, I'm reaching out to the league and at least just getting some clarification so they can start teaching the stuff a little differently.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because I mean, a lot of the stuff is it's teachable.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can say, well, in this situation, you have to you have to roll off of the quarterback, or you know, you need to slowly lay him down to the ground and tuck him into bed.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like I just hope it doesn't come back to bite us later in the year where maybe it's McClellan himself that has a quarterback wrapped up and he lets him go and thinks, oh no, I can't land on him because I'm gonna get called for a penalty in a big spot, and he lets him go, and the guy ends up picking up the first down.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: So that that's my only concern.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the penalty it was called, so it's a penalty, but I disagreed with it.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: I still disagree with it.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not blaming it on that being the reason we lost, but it was a huge, huge spot.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm with you.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um even uh Xavier McKinney holding call.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's a tough one too.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: That negated an interception by Evan Williams in the red zone.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that would that would have been huge.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm not gonna sit here and point fingers and just blame, blame, blame the refs.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, they need to be better, in my opinion.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's week one for them as well, and there's a lot going on.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: It showed though.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it it was it was really hard to sit there and not get frustrated with the officials, and I just I hope it doesn't happen again.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: I hope and it will.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: There's gonna be times this season where multiple third downs, you think our defense is getting off the field and the punt team's coming on, there's gonna be another flag.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's gonna happen.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: But and it's also gonna go the other way, too.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna be, you know, walking off and then, oh wait, nope, there was you know something happened here that there was a flag.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: It it's frustrating again.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Just really want to reiterate those three plays are not the reason they lost this game, but they were basically the bomb that set off the avalanche.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you talked about momentum earlier.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it you go from you know thinking that you gotta stop to nope you don't, and then that happens two more times.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's a mental battle for a lot of these guys.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you start questioning yourself, you start questioning your teammates, you start questioning, is this rigged?
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, these guys are mentally tough, big time, but it once that that little seat of doubt starts growing in your in your mind there, absolutely, it it makes you double double uh or it makes you question yourself on your defensive assignments, and it's yeah.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, then then any little thing that does go wrong, you're right, you're you're doubting yourself, was that my fault, or what could I have done different?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then a football player that has to think is a slow football player.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: So that's I mean, Ganon has preached that since he got here.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't want in the best way guys to have to think when they're playing.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you just want to see and attack and and know what you're doing.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: Anytime you have to think, it slows you down, and it's it causes problems.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just I hope it doesn't happen again like that.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: The key is gonna be to to to learn from it and then flush it and move on.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: And and you know what, next time I I don't know what to tell you, like next time Be better, I guess, but that's not how I mean it.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you just you have to figure out a way to overcome it.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: And and I'm not blaming the defense.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: The defense actually played really well, in my opinion.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's talk about that a little bit.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think um, you know, Gannon's debut with the defense, I thought they looked they looked fast, they looked physical, they looked violent at times, and uh unfortunately Kyler Murray got in the way of that violence, but it's it's that's an NFL play too, and we're not gonna touch on that too much.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: But I do think that also, not making excuses, but that does throw things off because same thing with talking about Brian Flores and having a game plan and sticking to it.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Gannon had a game plan too, and that's his former quarterback that he knows what he does and doesn't do well.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, the their whole call sheet was based on Kyler Murray.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that was his game plan to take Kyler out early.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: But you know what I mean?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like his his whole call sheet is based off of Kyler Murray and what he can do and what he can't do, and now all of a sudden in the first quarter, he goes out, and you have to sort of come up with a new game plan on the fly.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you're still making similar play calls and and guys still have to be in the right positions, but it you're you're kind of uh fighting another uphill battle because now the guy that you planned for uh is in the blue tent, and now what?
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now now you have to to play against a guy that you didn't expect to see.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, I I agree with that 100%.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um even with that, uh the Packers had three sacks.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: They did have a pick, granted it was off of Kyler, but still.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so they had three sacks and a pick.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Should have been four sacks and two picks if you eliminate some of those penalties.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but uh overall I thought they played fine.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't give up a ton of yards, granted that is because they had three short or two short fields in the fourth quarter.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: So there weren't a lot of yards to give up.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: And and Jonathan Gannon, I I loved the demeanor and his attitude, what he said in his press conference today, basically said, hey, it wasn't good enough.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: And the numbers maybe show or say that it was okay, but he straight up said, No, we need to be better, and in those types of situations, the defense needs to be the ones to to kind of shake it off and figure it out.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love the way they started.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the first drive was I mean, what was it?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was his first throw, three plays.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Keyshawn, first of all, Keyshawn Nixon, first play of the game, tackle for loss.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Which I'm not gonna eat my words quite yet because there's a long season.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Ahead of us, but a lot of the a lot of the talk throughout the offseason, and we've said it on here.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Keyshawn, I didn't know if he was gonna have a spot on this roster, and he proved me wrong week one, so good for him, and hopefully it continues.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: So far, so good.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then yeah, uh, two plays later, the next play, I think Kyler Murray throws up uh an arm punt.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, as a prayer.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Keyshawn tracked it down and caught it.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: So that was that was awesome to see right away.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think Gannon.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree with what you said seeing his press conference and just his attitude and mentality.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think you know, from what we saw, the majority of this game, there are some things that need to get cleaned up.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be the case the rest of the season.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: There's always gonna be things that need to be cleaned up and uh definitely take care of.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Even in wins, there's always stuff to improve on.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: But overall, I I thought our defense played well.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um LVN looked very good to me.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's something we've been waiting to see for a while.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Edrin Cooper is an absolute killer on defense.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's phenomenal.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um I can't wait till Micah gets back and they're gonna have both of those guys together and just all the things that they can do together.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of my overall um thought on the defense.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I think that kind of hits a nail on the head.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think the the defense overall looked fine.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, at the end of the day, they still gave up 39 points, so you can take it with a grain of salt, but I thought they'd they showed me reason to be excited, I guess, is where I'm going with this for the rest of the year.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you're not always gonna have those short fields and bad plays that happen where all of a sudden you have your quick change and they they are gonna happen, but the those quick change opportunities are something that all teams track, and you are gonna be judged ultimately at the end of the year on how well you are at getting off the field, and the points off turnovers uh can absolutely change a game, and I think we saw crystal clear evidence of that on Sunday.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: I just I got uh bright bright thoughts for the future here, I guess.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm excited for it.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: Just not really much more to say on that.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: I the the defense they did fine.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: They did they did really fine, actually, they did really well, and I'm just looking forward to seeing them this next week here.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um the offense, on the other hand, I I think the first half, they they were under pressure.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about that the entirety of the game, but man, Jordan Love made some throws that not many quarterbacks in this league can make, especially I mean, you got a a pocket that completely blew up on him, and he's gotta make things happen with his legs and his arm.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just some of those some of those um sacks that he escaped, you know, to make a a strike down the field to to Tucker Kraft.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: That one was insane across his body, rolling to his right, back over the middle, back over the middle to Tucker Kraft.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that was an awesome play.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Not one you teach and sort of one where on the TV you're holding your breath because who's over there?
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: If you know you can make that throw, I mean you're gonna he's gonna do it.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's fair.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: We did end our season a couple years ago on a throw just like that.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: That was different.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I agree.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: He saw it.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: It I mean, Tucker Kraft couldn't have been more open.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, another one that kind of comes to my mind is a similar uh situation where he uh got flushed almost immediately, had to kind of dodge uh a defender.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember exactly who it was on this particular play, but probably Dallas Turner could have been had to dodge a defender and then he kept rolling out to his right and sort of threw it.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was sort of a baseball throw.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: He kind of threw it off-footed or off-platform to Matthew Golden on a sort of medium deep crosser and hit him right in stride at the sideline.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was it was very, very impressive.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Golden and um Christian Watson.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was ecstatic.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: That first I think it was Watson's first catch that he had.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: He took it to the house, or maybe it was a second catch.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Might have been a second.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: That was phenomenal.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then I like the block too.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that Matthew Golden came in.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people were upset about that, thinking that's block in the back, but they explained it on the television.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I've I've read some stuff online here too recently.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's a perfect block.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he he didn't hit him in the back, he slid in front of him, he boxed him out, kind of a basketball play, full speed basketball play.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so yeah, it looked a little violent, but uh he did it perfectly.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think Gene Staritor was a guy that they had on, it was on CBS, and yeah, he basically said this is exactly how they want you want the players to do it.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that was good to see.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Golden, just overall him.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: I we're both we we have both been super high on him.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um we knew there was gonna be tons of opportunities.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm on a fantasy team.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: I did too in one of them.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: And week one, I mean, it it showed they want to get him involved.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: 12 targets, six catches for 92 yards, 93 yards.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: 97, 97, 96 or 97, I think it was.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: He was just shy of 100.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: But 12 targets, I mean, they're they're trying to get the ball to him.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: They talked about it all offseason.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just seeing it at training camp too.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's very, very obvious that he's a playmaker, they want to get him involved.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, 12 targets speaks for itself.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: That was more than I think it was more than double, because I think Watson maybe Watson had seven targets.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: He had six catches on seven targets, but yeah, twelve was obviously the most, and then I believe Watson was next at seven, so you can do that math if you want.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then Tucker Kraft looked like the Tucker Kraft from last year.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh definitely was some rust you could see, but not physical.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: They did have him on a snap count.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize this till after the game.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: It might have been Matt LaFleur's post-game press conference, or it was Monday's, sorry, uh, Monday's press conference.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: They said they went into the game, they wanted to only give him 40 snaps.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but somebody convinced them to give him an extra five.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm assuming it was Tucker.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: So uh he was out there 45 snaps on offense, and he looked great.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, blocking.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I guess I didn't watch a ton of the blocking from 20 carries, so but overall, he looked good, still has that run after catch ability.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he looks like he hasn't really missed a beat at all, so I'm excited to see him.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: If those three continue, the offense is gonna be absolutely fine.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: One guy I do, I mean, I know it's week one.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't wanna I don't want to get crazy with it.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um Jaden Reed, he had one catch, I believe.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um he did have a drop.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of a off-target throw from Love.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um not too not gonna be too harsh on Jaden Reed.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's week one, but I mean you did just get paid, and maybe a lot of those plays weren't designed for him, or he wasn't the the first or the second read, so maybe he just didn't get the opportunities that I think he should have got, or whatever.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not the one calling the plays, but I think you know what I mean.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just going into the future here.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think Jaden Reed is also gonna be a big piece of this offense, and I would have liked to see a little bit more out of him, but with Christian Watson having what a hundred and forty, Matthew Golden having almost a hundred, Tucker Kraft having like almost seventy.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's we're not in that situation where there are too many miles to feed.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think Jaden Reed's gonna have his big games too.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was also a situation where I don't think there was a whole lot of time to progress.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it basically was oh, I I see a guy in white, I'm throwing to him.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Marshawn Lloyd, let's talk about that a little bit too.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it was finally nice to see him play a full NFL game.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I they made it through.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: As far as I know, nothing nothing happened.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Him and Chris Brooks looked fine.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they each had a couple couple nice runs.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um the pass blocking from the running backs, I mean, that's that's gonna need to be that shocked me.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think uh a few of the sort of blitz situations or or even just quarterback pressures in general uh were were kind of on Chris Brooks.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there were obviously he wasn't alone, but there were a couple videos I watched uh since the game where it looks like the line shifts and Brooks probably should have gone the other way of what he did.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: And he ends up, you know, sort of blocking the back of a lineman, his own lineman, and there's a free rusher coming from the other side.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Where if if the Packers in general can get that cleaned up, and all of a sudden you get a hat on a hat, and Jordan has more than one second to throw the football, it's gonna get dangerous.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're gonna be just fine.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's loud this week, it's very much a week one overreaction to a lot of things.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's frustrating.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we talked about this before that you know you get all geared up after months and months about all right, football's back, and then you're feeling pretty good around halftime, and then that's what we have to go home with.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it it kind of sucks.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: It it really sucks, but at the end of the day, uh 16 other teams lost too.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, everybody's 1-0 are 0-1.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I think we just need to sort of slow the roll on you know, damning anybody or over celebrating anybody either.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, last year both teams that were in the Super Bowl lost week one.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: And the year Aaron Rodgers last uh MVP year, we got blown up by the Saints week one.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was 38 to 3.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: We ended up going 13 and 3 that year.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Not saying that that's what's going to happen, but let's just take a second to to take a breath and you know, not necessarily look for someone to to crucify because we lost.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, yeah, it happens, and and losing isn't as fun as winning, clearly, but it's it's gonna be alright, and we we should be able to straighten some of these communication and tactical things out, and if we can get there, I think we're gonna be just fine.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I made a note of this that there's been plenty of examples over the last handful of years where by mid-season teams are literally left for dead and people are done talking about them because they have, according to the experts, no shot.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and underperformed or the Kansas City Chiefs, Tom Brady, almost every year, the last six years of his career, um, the Pats and with him, without him, it's happened where, oh, like I said, we don't have to talk about them anymore.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: They have no shot, and lo and behold, guess what happens?
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: They win the Super Bowl.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's so I'm with you.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's no reason to jump ship or to demand firings.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, one thing I will say, I I stand by Matt LaFleur.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: I like him.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's I I love him.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's he's a great coach.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: He does a lot of things that a lot of other teams out there wish they had.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: There were teams begging us to fire him.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: He would have been hired within 20 minutes.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna overreact to week one.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna overreact until probably week seven or eight.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we'll see what's going on.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: I will say, um, he did get an extension this last offseason.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know the details as far as was it a two-year extension, was it a four-year extension?
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um we'll see how this season goes.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I can't look into my crystal ball and tell you what's gonna happen.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, if you know somebody that does have a magic crystal ball and it works, give him our number.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, send him our way because I'd like to know what happens.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't think he's on a short leash yet.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think his seat isn't even that warm.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: But by the end of the season, if it's not the result that we're looking for, or if we don't even make the playoffs, it's it's gonna be really nasty out there on social media.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it already is, it already is, but um things need to change and they need to change somewhat fast here, and I think he's the guy to do it, and I think uh the front office, they know what's at stake, and I think everybody is on the same page, so I I don't he was very upset too in his press conference.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um after the well, not right after the game, it would have been the following day, so Monday.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: He seemed pretty pissed off to me, and he knows he knows what's at stake, and I I think he's sick and tired of saying the same things over and over again.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: So just just watch out here.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think an angry Matt LaFleur is a good Matt LaFleur.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think so too, and I'm I'm glad that you said that sort of the way that you did.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh if you're coming to look for Matt LaFleur's uh kind of slander and throwing him under the bus, find a different podcast because we we absolutely exactly what you just said, you know, believe in him.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we're not gonna call for him to be fired because we lost the game.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's ridiculous, and honestly, it needs to stop.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: It it's a football game.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: So let's let's kinda you know take this one.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: We took it on the chin and let's flush it and move on to week two.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: We got 16 more of these things.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree with you 1,000 percent.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, do we just want to hop in?
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well let's let's do one thing here.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think we're gonna start doing uh weekly studs and duds um for each of these games.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll just each highlight a couple guys that we thought were studs and a couple guys that uh left a lot to be desired out on the field, and hopefully they can pick it up.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: So uh my first stud, Edrin Cooper.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: I thought he played phenomenal.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: He had seven total tackles, uh six solo tackles, two tackles for loss, and one sack.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Should have been two, but it got called back on a penalty.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um he was just flying to the ball.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh looked electric.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um exactly what I wanted to see out of him.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think everybody knew it was coming this year.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, he's got that talent for sure.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, I agree.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: If we can get if we can get even most of what he showed, it's gonna be we're gonna be in good shape.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I guess I'll let you take the next stud.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so my first one uh is Christian Watson.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we talked about him.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh oh, there I have it written down.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: He had six catches for a buck 47 and two touchdowns.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I believe that's career highs in uh receiving yards.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is he wide receiver one in the Tiger NFL last week in stats?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: He might be leading the league in receiving yards.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: No, I think he maybe he is.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: Either way.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I I do know for sure him and Matthew Golden are both in the top ten.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if Watson's first I he might not be, but they are both in the top ten, which is pretty cool.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't mean to put you on the spot.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, I believe that's career high in yards.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: I know he's got a game against Dallas where he scored three touchdowns, uh, but they were not as long, so I don't think they were he had as many yards in that one.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but yeah, six for a buck 47 and two touchdowns, and I thought he looked fantastic.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he made that contested catch on the I guess what could have been a penalty, but they declined it.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: So there's one hell of a catch.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that he kind of you know fought through the the defender and and held on to the ball.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: That one was awesome and set up a touchdown.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my next guy is uh No, set up a field goal, sorry.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're good.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um Matthew Golden will stick in the stick with the wide receiver room here.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Talked about him earlier, not gonna spend a whole lot of time on him, but um guy's an absolute weapon.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's obvious with what they've been doing all last season.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: I know he didn't have the numbers that everybody wanted, but he's a rookie, and a rookie wide receiver in Green Bay is just not gonna ball out their first year.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: So get used to it.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, he he was in position multiple times.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: I like that little pop pass Jordan Love did to him off the line of scrimmage for a first down.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: He just I think he dropped back, avoided pressure, dumped it right to Matthew Golden for a short little pass.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: That was that was cool, and just overall the the speeds there, just great player overall.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: He did have a play, it was early, I believe it was in the first half.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: He he caught the ball on third down, and that is true.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: Instead of running upfield, he kind of backstepped and then he tried to get around the defender.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: He was looking for extra yards, and he ended up not getting the first down.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I did appreciate that Matt kind of pulled him up, pulled him to the side on the sideline.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't look, you know, pouty.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't look crazy receptive, but he wasn't pouty and you know, rolling his eyes and stuff.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: Matt coached him.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Just a little reminder.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: Let's get the first down.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: We keep the drive going.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: I understand you want to hit the home run, you have the ability to, but let's keep the chains moving and you can hit the home run on the next down.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, I'm with you there.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: Not blaming him.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody does it.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many guys that do that.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's guys that have the first down more than what he would have and completely backtrack and lose it, and they ended up punting anyway.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: So that was just just something I noticed.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: I I liked the follow-up on that because like I said, that was the first half, and he actually, I think he had a bigger second half.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, he had that big one for 40 plus.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so basically just kind of throwing it out there that it he didn't let it wreck him and you know put him down for the rest of the game.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I thought that was good.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so then my second one, uh, were you done on him?
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm done.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, yep.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: My second stud from Sunday.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_00: I've been waiting a long time to say this guy's name.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: Let's hear it.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: LVN.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: Heck yeah.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: Lucas Van Ness.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: Heck yeah.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: Finally showed what we know he is so capable of.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: He had four tackles, a tackle for loss, and a sack.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: The sack was actually pretty cool.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: He kind of pulled Carson Wentz's jersey and sort of, hey, come back here.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: I need to sack you.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but he on a day that hopefully can end up being somewhat forgettable, he was a guy that was everywhere.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: He was always around the football.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, he he did a great job getting off blocks, he uh put on a bunch of pressures.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't actually see the pressure numbers, but I know he was in the backfield fairly often.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, he he absolutely looked like what we've been hoping for for a long time.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was awesome after that sack.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think they showed uh him on the sidelines celebrating with Micah who's obviously not in pads yet.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully, in the next couple weeks we'll get some news on him.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, I I'm super happy um just seeing LVN.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: We knew what he was capable of.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's the injury bug that's killed him.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's it's super crucial that he stays healthy, stays on the field, and keeps playing at a high level like he did.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, not really much more to say.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'd I'm smiling right now.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh my last um stud here was uh the special teams.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: Overall, I thought our special teams looked great.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: We did have one little blunder on the um kit cover team.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: We gave up a pretty significant uh gain there, but overall we we had one ourselves.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: Bo Melton had a very nice return.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, just the energy from the new special teams coordinator Cam accord on the sideline.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: They just showed him running up and down.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: That was awesome to see.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um punt coverage looked good.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, pump punt coverage looked very good.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: Punt return.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: Punt return looked phenomenal.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: This guy didn't really have anything huge, but I know he had at least one where the ball bounced and he was able to grab it and get positive yards rather than letting the ball roll inside the 10, maybe the five.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, did you see what Cam said in his press conference today?
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: He so he did this research himself.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I know you're I know where you're going, but the average amount that the ball rolls on a punt after it hits the ground is 14 yards.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Positive like against you.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: So you lose 14 yards once the ball hits.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: So just the fact that we have a guy that knows that stuff is comfortable.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yes, the coach for one, but a returner that's comfortable enough to grab the ball and not only save those extra fourteen yards, but pick up positive yards is something that we haven't seen in a long time.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's something that special teams has been missing.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we've talked about his overall attitude, um, Cam Accord's attitude.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's phenomenal.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm don't need to bring it up every time we talk about special teams, but I just I love it.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: I love his juice.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: But just a guy who has been around the league, um coached under some pretty big names, knows his stuff, and he just he seems like a players, players coach.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: Everything that I've seen, the guys love him.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: I I'll give you an honorable mention too there uh with the special teams we'll throw in Trace Mac.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, please.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: How about a rookie kicker?
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: Please do it first opportunity in the league, comes out for 59 and buries it.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been good from 63, 64 from what I saw and from what uh Cam Court said in his press conference.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: I did see that part.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: He did miss an extra point, which you know, baby steps here, guys.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: We'll be alright.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: But he was three for three on field goals, and yeah, 59 for your first one.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's sort of okay, what else you got for me.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I thought that was awesome.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: Now we'll uh head into the unfortunate part of this and some of our duds from from the game.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think we're both in agreement on this uh offensive line just as a whole.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: As a whole.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was just frustrating, you know, in real time when you're watching it on T V you don't realize how bad it is.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: But then Seeing the clips back, rewatching the game, it was really bad.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: I do think, like I said before, that some of the protections from the backs, specifically Chris Brooks, um didn't help that.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's not putting the blame completely on him, but at the same time, he is part of that unit.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, that's why he got that contract.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because of what he can do as a pass blocker.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: Because with without that, I mean, he's a very, very average runner.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh his pass blocking ability is basically what's keeping him on an NFL roster.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Mark Redmond, too, had a big miss where not only did he miss his block, he got in ZBB's way and basically blew it all up.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: The play was dead because he was running in quicksand and it it was ugly.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, quick little thing I'll throw out there.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I know the offense line was bad, we've talked about that.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um I thought it was interesting, so I there's another um TV show, Packers podcast, that I listen to, I get some information from.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they had Mike Wall on, former Packers offensive lineman.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: And uh he said this doesn't happen to him very often in his career because he reviews film and tape and stuff.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: He said he had to watch multiple plays back three or four times to just figure out what the hell the offensive lineman, what their assignment was, what they were thinking, why they did what they did.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think that just sums up how atrocious the performance was, and it's gotta get better.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: To sort of put a silver lining on it, we talked about this off mic, I believe.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't necessarily believe that it was a talent talent issue.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree with you 100% on that.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was absolutely communication.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, we I guess I did mention that that the the continuity aspect and you know, week one in Minnesota that place is loud, and then you have a madman as a defensive coordinator on top of it.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it was just honestly the absolute perfect storm of worst-case scenario, and it it hit big.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: So credit to Minnesota, credit to Brian Flores for doing what he did.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I do think, hopefully, hopefully this isn't just being optimistic, but I do truly believe with the amount of games that we've watched and sort of our you know background of of that, that it's something that should be correctable.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Adam Sena Adam Stenovich did not seem worried today.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: I watched a little bit of his press conference and it's it's week one, we'll get things figured out.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Not a big deal.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: Another dud, um, somebody who probably wasn't on the field a whole lot, and it kind of showed why.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Carrington Valentine.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um I've been back and forth on him.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's a he's a pretty decent cover corner.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he still seems to be afraid of contact.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: And to me, he didn't do he didn't play a ton, like you said, but he I mean he didn't really do anything to instill any kind of confidence if he has to come in right now.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh again, he's fine as a cover corner, but if I'm the opposing offensive coordinator and I see 24 out there, I'm running quick screens and tosses to his side all day long.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think when we're backed up and the uh the opposing offense is in the red zone, I don't think you can put Carrington Valentin out there because those are the players we're gonna get little pop passes, screens.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um You saw CSA uh save a touchdown, granted it was a preseason game, but against Pittsburgh, where they were inside the 10 and yeah, a run play got stretched out and he went and he made the tackle in the open field, and that's not something that I trust Carrington to do right now.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm with you there.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's we'll see.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: It there's gonna come a time this season where we're gonna be relying on him.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: There's gonna be injuries, there's gonna be guys that get bumps and bruises, and he's gonna have to come into that role, and hopefully, hopefully he embraces it, and hopefully we don't see the same tackling Carrington Valentine that we've seen the last three years.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: So agreed.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then just the lack of ability to finish the game.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: That we've hammered that home multiple times this this episode here.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's frustrating, it sucks, it made me sad, but they they gotta figure it out, and soon.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: Progress not perfection.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it it's not an excuse, but don't don't expect it to be perfect right away.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, I mean the the finishing part has obviously been a big deal recently, but to be completely honest, I want the Packers playing their best football in November, December, January, and hopefully February.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, just overall, that's pretty much our breakdown on the Vikings game.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was ugly.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, there were some bright spots.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we're looking forward to uh week two against the Jets.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a good bounce back opportunity.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: Main thing is to learn from it, flush it, and then yeah, get ready for for week two in in New York.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we'll just do some quick uh keys to the game for for week two.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: We kind of took up a little bit of time here going over that.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of figured that would happen, but it's it's week one.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: We've been waiting so long to talk about it.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: So just some some quick keys for for this week.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, like I mentioned before, just make sure that you learn.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, learn from from your mistakes as an offensive line.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: Communicate, communicate, communicate.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: If you can talk and figure out what you're supposed to be doing, all right, now it turns into talent.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I think they have the talent to do it.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, these guys are NFL players, they've done it their whole lives, they've they've obviously got the talent to do it.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: So if you can get the little tactical things straightened out, you should be okay to at least compete.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm thinking um just based on the comments I've seen um from the coaches and the coordinators, specifically on the offense, I think they're gonna come out this week and they're gonna fix a lot of those things.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's it's not gonna be right away, but and I'm not predicting a huge giant blowout over the Jets.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm with you though.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: I I do think the coaching staff took this one personally a little bit, not you know, in any kind of a like malicious way, but just they they kind of, you know, they got knocked on their butts and they're ready to come back fighting.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: So you spend that much time preparing for you know your week one opponent, and it ends the way it did.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's a little pride in the game, and I think they're they're frustrated because they they let you know themselves down, and I really don't think they give too much.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: They don't they don't really care too much about what the fans think, I don't think.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean they got embarrassed at the end of the game there, and I mean they're I don't want to say a Super Bowl favorite, but I mean they're one of the they should be in the conversation.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: They should be in the conversation for you know elite teams or at least you know uh playoff team.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: So and so far this week they've been talked about as exactly the opposite.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh seventeen, they're gonna go 0-17, and then I haven't seen that, but I believe people have said it.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: You haven't been on Twitter as much as I have been.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: I tried to stay off today.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, the Jets um they won their week one matchup, so it's 0-1 against 1-0 in New York.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: Looking forward to hopefully the offense line can fix fix some of their miscues.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, looking forward to our offense in general.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, just keep things going.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: I like the Jordan Love to Matthew Golden connection.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: Let's keep that going.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: Christian Watson is gonna get involved no matter what.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_01: Tucker Kraft's gonna keep eating.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully that snap count goes up.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get Jaden Reed involved.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, let's get a run game going a little bit.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: That would be nice.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: And before you kind of, you know, question the play calling from last week, it's hard to run when you can't even take any kind any time to to diagnose anything.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: So they they threw the ball twice as much as they ran it.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, score dictated that a little bit in the second half or the fourth quarter at least, but at a certain point you have to be able to run the ball.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't necessarily think that they couldn't run the ball, but it was it was more so the looks that Minnesota showed that made it kind of a struggle.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: So yes, I think if we can get the run game going, that opens up the pass, and vice versa.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: And if if you can just be a more cohesive unit, all eleven on offense.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um we're not gonna see nearly as much uh pressure from the Jets as we did from Minnesota.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're gonna take a few things that they saw in our matchup against Minnesota, and they're gonna try to implement them, but you can't just create a new defense overnight.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_00: It is a copycat league, but yeah, it's you don't go from your normal game plan to blitzing 75% of the time overnight.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's most sane coordinators are terrified of that.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: Even even when the results look good, it's still a very scary thought when you have three guys on the back end that if one guy gets free, well, you know, sure, it looked cool having all those guys around the line of scrimmage, but now this wide receiver is running 80 yards with nobody in front of him.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I I don't know, man.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: I I feel really good about this game.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's the perfect bounce back game.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: I do think it is a good spot to bounce back.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think uh G.R.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_01: Smith is not that good.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean uh there's a reason he's bounced around on a few teams.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: Pete Carroll gave up on him twice.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I think there's definitely opportunity here, you know, for our defense to come up with a couple turnovers.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: Let's turn that momentum in our favor this time.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let's let's score on one of them, maybe.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm not making a prediction here, but I I think there's plenty of opportunity.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: They do have some weapons.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh Garrett Wilson, specifically for wide receiver at the wide receiver position.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's a pretty good wide receiver.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm not saying matchup nightmare, but I do think what is a little bit easier to to swallow is it's Garrett Wilson, and then that's kind of it as far as guys that really scare you.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, they're they're still good, they have a good skill position unit, but Minnesota was was kind of terrifying, you know.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: And they're they're going to be again when they come to Lambeau.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: You have JJ and then Jordan Addison and Juwan Jennings and TJ Hawkinson and Aaron Jones, Jordan May, like they're they're a very good offensive unit, better than they get credit for because their defense is so good.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but their receivers are I would say they're they're a top ten unit overall.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_00: Top five potentially.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: Just just on sheer names alone.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: So the the one positive, you know, for coming into this week, the Jets don't necessarily have that.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: They do have Garrett Wilson, absolutely.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: They have a rookie tight end who did score, but on on a reverse.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't, you know, anything like he caught 11 balls and 120 yards and a touchdown.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_00: But they they have a rookie tight end.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they have a rookie receiver who's actually not gonna play.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's hurt.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Omar Cooper is gonna miss the game.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: I read today.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then um after that, yeah, it kind of it's guys that you don't really know of.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: Brees Hall, uh running back, uh he's an established running back in the league.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I forgot about him.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, you're good.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think he had uh hundred y 100 plus yards, week one and a touchdown.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: Braylon Allen, uh good good backup.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not super I'm not very scared of him.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: It is important that you get a lead and you don't allow them to be able to lean on the run.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: That is because I do think they do have good backs and you get in a game where you're playing from behind and you have to stop the run.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think we are better equipped to do that this year, but that's never a position you want to be in.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: I am begging for this game to be comfortable and let's uh let's outscore them in the fourth quarter, regardless of score.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't care if we're up 24 to 2 or if it's you know 18 to 17, let's let's score more points than the other team in the fourth quarter for a change.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: Matt LaFleur has a chance to do not the funniest thing in the world, but to come out and just put the frickin' foot on the gas pedal, get up like you said, and just keep scoring.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not once again, I'm not making predictions right now.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'd it's just all what I would like to see and what I think we're capable of doing based on what we did week one on offense in the first half, but it that would that would be a Sunday freaking dream.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_01: Just come out, take the Jets down, and just drop 40 on them.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: That'd be great.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's probably not gonna happen, but then I it'll be 10 to 17 or something like that.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: I hope we'll be sweating on bullets in the fourth quarter.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: I sure hope not, too.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm with you.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: Let's let's score and keep scoring.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, let's flip it.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, shut us out in the first quarter.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_01: But then let's score a bunch in the fourth.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: And let's just end the game when when the opportunity is there to put them away.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: Let's put them away.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: Finish, finish, finish.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: Overall, I think that's it for our week two prediction, or not prediction, but just keys to the game.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: Am I missing anything here?
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_00: Nope, I think we uh covered everything for the most part there.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we will give a you know, short little prediction here.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll try our best.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think I mentioned this last week.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna try and stick to what we predicted in our very first episode.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh 12 and five.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_00: Believe it or not, 12 and 5's still alive.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_00: You're kidding me.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_00: Green and gold brothers are 0 for 1, but but 12 and 5 is still alive.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_00: We did have them beating the Jets.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think that hopefully we'll uh be correct.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't want to give a score right now because a little emotional about it.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't I want to think with my head and not my emotions here, so I don't want to give a a score prediction, but I do think we find a way to pull this one out.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm gonna stay away from making a prediction too.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_01: Just kind of heard my thoughts there.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_01: I do hope it's uh a bounce back game for our offense and defense as a whole.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: I I hope we I hope we drop 40 on them, but I don't want to say that because I just I don't know quite yet.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um but overall looking at the the season prediction we made, I mean, yeah, we had them beaten Minnesota and we lost, but we got Atlanta next, week three, and then Tampa Bay did not look the greatest against Cincinnati.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_00: So which we originally had that one as a loss, and I'm sure we'll get into that when the time comes.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe make up the difference there and we'll see how things go.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: But once again, thanks for thanks for tuning in.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for listening.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's it's football's here and it's it's frustrating at times, but I'm glad we're doing this.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: And like I said, we got 16 more of these coming, so uh games that is not necessarily podcasts, hopefully more than that.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, is there something you're not telling me?
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm retiring.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh son of a gun.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: All right, well, we'll catch you all next time.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: Go packo.