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Solana Seeker Launch Countdown!🚨Solana Mobile INTERVIEW🔥 · The Paul Barron Crypto Show

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Speaker 1: You guys have been waiting for it, and that, of
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Speaker 1: course is the Salona Seeker, that is the new mobile
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Speaker 1: device for Web three. We'll talk about that today and
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Speaker 1: we have a special guest, of course, coming in from
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Speaker 1: Salona Mobile. It's going to be a good one. You
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Speaker 1: guys don't want to miss it. Money is Smaul Barren.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back into tech Path. As you guys know, we've
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Speaker 1: covered the Salona Mobile saga nice little pun there for
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Speaker 1: quite some time, and if you look back on the
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Speaker 1: channel itself, you can kind of see all of our breakdowns,
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Speaker 1: including you know when Marquez Brownie was going after it.
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Speaker 2: We've been really covering.
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Speaker 1: This for quite some time, and I think the point
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Speaker 1: is that it's opportunity of really shifting the dynamics around
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Speaker 1: mobile device computing and Web three is finally here, and
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Speaker 1: of course the device is going to be shipping in August,
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Speaker 1: so that's coming up very soon. You guys are also
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Speaker 1: going to have the benefits of some new drop alerts,
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Speaker 1: and this is something if you're brand new to the
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Speaker 1: Salona ecosystem. One of the things that this device is
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Speaker 1: doing probably kind of set the tone for mobile devices
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Speaker 1: is that projects of all sorts and types are air
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Speaker 1: dropping into the holders, so that in itself creates a
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Speaker 1: value in the hardware that a lot of people, I
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Speaker 1: don't know that they completely understood the impact it would
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Speaker 1: have on the market. And of course it has had
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Speaker 1: a major impact. One of the biggest things is everybody's
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Speaker 1: been waiting for this date right here, and that is
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Speaker 1: on August fourth, we're going to see shipping begin. So
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Speaker 1: if you haven't already done it, go over to that
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Speaker 1: little link right there, which is Salonamobile dot Com Force
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Speaker 1: Slash Shipping. You've already bought one of these units, you
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Speaker 1: can set in your shipping address and get going on
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Speaker 1: getting your own secret device. So I wanted to bring
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Speaker 1: in Emmett Haayer, who is the GM of Salona Mobile,
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Speaker 1: to kind of drill down into some questions. So let's
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Speaker 1: get him on the show.
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Speaker 2: EMMITTT how are you.
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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm doing great, Paul, thanks for having me. How
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Speaker 3: are you great?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good to have you.
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Speaker 1: And of course, obviously we've been very excited about this
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Speaker 1: device for quite some time. Love to see the fact
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Speaker 1: that we are now here, or it feels like we're here, so.
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Speaker 2: The shipping of devices are coming quickly.
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Speaker 1: I want to get into some quick questions with you,
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Speaker 1: mainly around the Seeker token with the announcement. First of all,
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Speaker 1: why do a token for this particular project?
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Speaker 3: As you mentioned, it's almost here, it's very exciting, I
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Speaker 3: think as we look forward. We announced our upcoming token SCR.
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Speaker 3: The reason we chose to launch a token is because
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Speaker 3: our vision of what we've built extends beyond our own devices.
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Speaker 3: We've built Saga, we're building Seeker, but we were also
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Speaker 3: building a platform that's run natively on those two phones,
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Speaker 3: but can run on more phones in the future, and
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Speaker 3: launching a token gives us the opportunity to really grow things,
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Speaker 3: grow the ecosystem, bring the software at all sorts of
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Speaker 3: different devices, to centralize the whole thing, and give a
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Speaker 3: token provides something to coordinate around for that ecosystem, and
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Speaker 3: it gives a sort of rewards package for builders and
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Speaker 3: users and keeps everybody in incentivized to contribute to the
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Speaker 3: long term of the Slauno Mobile ecosystem.
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Speaker 1: When you look at chapter two and you think about
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Speaker 1: the pre Order NFT, the Genesis NFT holders, will they
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Speaker 1: be able to get the Seeker token? Will there be
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Speaker 1: any kind of air drops? Do you think coming in
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Speaker 1: on that.
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Speaker 3: So we're going to make sure that we get the
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Speaker 3: token into the hands of all of the people who
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Speaker 3: have gotten us to this point. So, whether that's a user,
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Speaker 3: whether that's a builder, the goal here is to get
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Speaker 3: it started with the people who have gotten us to
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Speaker 3: this point for sure.
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Speaker 1: One thing I wanted to note for you guys is
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Speaker 1: on the shipping process, when it's asking for your shipping address,
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Speaker 1: it goes through an infinite loop of connecting to the email.
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Speaker 1: So is there are there any issues with being able
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Speaker 1: to go in and get your address placed in there?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we did. Right after launch had a couple issues.
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Speaker 3: We had such a surge of demand of people who
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Speaker 3: have pre ordered the phones coming to give us their
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Speaker 3: addresses that a few of the tools that we relied
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Speaker 3: on actually fell down during that surge. They've all been
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Speaker 3: repaired now. So if right after launch you were having issues,
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Speaker 3: or couple days after there were some issues, you should
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Speaker 3: be able to go back now aslantomobile dot com slash
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Speaker 3: shipping and confirm your address. If not, you can reach
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Speaker 3: out to our support team. We're happy to keep a
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Speaker 3: hand there. But from everything we've heard from the community lately,
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Speaker 3: address collection has been working just fine.
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Speaker 2: All right, well, we'll definitely try.
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Speaker 1: Because they're going to get my shipping address in there.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about AI, and when you think about AI
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Speaker 1: on mobile devices, so far, we haven't seen really great success.
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Speaker 1: Apple has not done a great job with it. In fact,
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Speaker 1: most Apple users are using third party apps that they
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Speaker 1: download off the app store. Android has not done a
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Speaker 1: great job with it. Even Google has struggled with being
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Speaker 1: able to get a mobile device into an AI platform
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Speaker 1: that is native to the device itself. Explain to me
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Speaker 1: the difference that Seeker is rolling out in terms of AI.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're trying to build something that's open and different.
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Speaker 3: So our team is not right now trying to solve
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Speaker 3: all of the AI problems that are users have, but
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Speaker 3: we want to give developers the opportunity to build those things.
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Speaker 3: When you look at the stores that Apple and Google
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Speaker 3: have created and the platforms that they've created, it's very closed.
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Speaker 3: Access to data is closed, but you know Apple and
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Speaker 3: Google are off monetizing those users data without their consent.
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Speaker 3: What we want in terms of AI innovation is to
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Speaker 3: see teams build new types of models, not new types
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Speaker 3: of lms, literally new types of business models. One where
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Speaker 3: users data can potentially be monetizable. Right, if you think
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Speaker 3: about everything you're doing on a phone on a day
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Speaker 3: to day basis, you're generating tons and tons and tons
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Speaker 3: of useful data, but you never get to monetize it.
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Speaker 3: And I think crypto gives us a totally different way
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Speaker 3: to think about that. So, whether it's your GPS data,
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Speaker 3: what cellular networks are connecting to, all these data points
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Speaker 3: that can fuel new types of AI models. We see
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Speaker 3: Seeker as an opportunity to actually monetize all that data
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Speaker 3: that you're creating and you're just giving away to these
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Speaker 3: model makers. So yes, we're we're not personally building the
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Speaker 3: next great AI model, but we're building a new type
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Speaker 3: of economic model where use get to monetize everything that
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Speaker 3: they're doing.
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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that many of
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Speaker 1: our viewers maybe are who are coming into crypto for
6:08
Speaker 1: the very first time and they're starting to think, is
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Speaker 1: that there's a cryptophone and understanding that there's an integration
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Speaker 1: that is I think a leap forward, especially around AI.
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Speaker 1: I've got a clip here for those of you that
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Speaker 1: maybe are brand new to this. Take a look at
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Speaker 1: this and hopefully this will help put the dots together.
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Speaker 4: Take a look, Hey Sony, swap five dollars of SOL
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Speaker 4: into tie.
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Speaker 3: Just confirm the transaction and sign. Hey SONA, send five
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Speaker 3: dollars of tie to dam sign the transaction again. And
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Speaker 3: it's that simple.
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Speaker 1: So everybody's been talking about AI for a while, and
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Speaker 1: maybe this is the device that finally gets us into
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Speaker 1: the ability ability to really interface with agentic AAI meaning
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Speaker 1: agents that can go out and do functions like what
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Speaker 1: they were trying to do right there. It's just the
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Speaker 1: beginning right now, Emmett, how fast do you think we'll
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Speaker 1: get to a point where people can really start utilizing
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Speaker 1: this tool.
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Speaker 3: We're close, I think, I really do think in the
7:17
Speaker 3: next you know, maybe year, we're going to see a
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Speaker 3: lot of on chain activity being agentic, and the phone
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Speaker 3: is a really great starting point for that. You know.
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Speaker 3: It's it doesn't make sense anytime you want to change
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Speaker 3: your instructions or want to accomplish something different, to have
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Speaker 3: to always retreat to your computer write up a new
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Speaker 3: set of instructions, give an agent something new to shoot towards.
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Speaker 3: It would make sense that you take your phone out
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Speaker 3: and you change course with a couple taps or a
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Speaker 3: short type or even a short voice message. So I
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Speaker 3: really do think we're close. I think we're seeing a
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Speaker 3: ton of innovation in that space. We're seeing builders from
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Speaker 3: across Salana and across crypto more broadly trying to find
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Speaker 3: ways to make transacting on chain as simple and seamless
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Speaker 3: as possible, and AI seems like the most obvious path there.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the combination of a web three name
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Speaker 1: device AI could be kind of the holy grail of
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Speaker 1: mobile computing and may could lead a new revolution of
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Speaker 1: how we're using mobile devices, which everybody's been talking about
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Speaker 1: voice becoming pretty much the input style that most likely
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Speaker 1: will be using soon. So I'm excited to see how
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Speaker 1: this is going to go.
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Speaker 3: And I think, you know, on that note, one of
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Speaker 3: the challenges of having AI ta take advantage of things
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Speaker 3: like payments and commerce and Web two world is too expensive.
8:28
Speaker 3: Crypto knocks down those walls. Having a cryptonative device makes
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Speaker 3: it so much easier. Right, So, if you imagine a
8:32
Speaker 3: world where you can use AI to sign transactions or
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Speaker 3: make payments, and you're doing it on a blockchain network
8:40
Speaker 3: that settles almost in an instant and in a way
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Speaker 3: that's safe and secure, and protected by seed Vault, which
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Speaker 3: we've built directly into Seeker and into Saga. I could
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Speaker 3: see a world where I could not only you know,
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Speaker 3: transact super easily, but also super securely in in a
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Speaker 3: way that is inexpensive, and I can do regularly all
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Speaker 3: the time, day after day, hour after hour.
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Speaker 1: Some of the rules that we're going to see within
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Speaker 1: the mobile compute era and I am going to and
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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you about the top apps to
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Speaker 1: look at, but one that we're watching as LULO, and
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Speaker 1: this of course is stable on in DeFi yields within
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Speaker 1: an ecosystem like this, so very soon, August fourth could
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Speaker 1: be seeing this also show up on the Solano devices
9:19
Speaker 1: in terms of yield almost yield farming. I guess to
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Speaker 1: a certain extent right now, when you look at the
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Speaker 1: ability of new DeFi or I should say new developers
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Speaker 1: coming into the Salona mobile ecosystem, how many people are
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Speaker 1: coming in to build on the platform right now? Is
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Speaker 1: it just are you seeing just constant builders coming in?
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Speaker 3: It's what's a lot? Yeah, it keeps us busy. You know,
9:43
Speaker 3: this Salona ecosystem is so chock full of builders. We're
9:46
Speaker 3: seeing two things happening at once. One is all the
9:49
Speaker 3: teams who have been around, the teams whose names you know,
9:51
Speaker 3: who products you know, are taking mobile more seriously. The
9:54
Speaker 3: fact that we've pre sold one hundred and fifty thousand seekers.
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Speaker 3: It creates an addressable market that's both big enough and
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Speaker 3: fervent enough for these teams to actually commit to and
10:05
Speaker 3: prioritize their mobile apps. You know, historically it hasn't been
10:07
Speaker 3: worth hit for most teams. They would spend a bunch
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Speaker 3: of time, they'd build a mobile app, and then they'd
10:11
Speaker 3: get blocked by Apple or Google. So all that money
10:13
Speaker 3: would have just been a waste. All that time would
10:15
Speaker 3: have been a waste. We're we've created an open store
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Speaker 3: so that teams who want to build something that's crypto
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Speaker 3: first aren't going to be blocked. They're not going to
10:22
Speaker 3: have to pay thirty percent back to an Apple or
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Speaker 3: a Google. And so all the big teams have been
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Speaker 3: around forever, they're finally taking mobile more seriously. But in parallel,
10:30
Speaker 3: we're seeing a flood of new entrants, new types of builders.
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Speaker 3: People who wanted to build something crypto native, didn't quite
10:37
Speaker 3: know what type of products to build, and now mobile
10:39
Speaker 3: gives them a totally new product space to do it.
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Speaker 3: So you know, we just announced that Slanno Mobile is
10:44
Speaker 3: going to be running its first hackathon. We've opened up
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Speaker 3: a grants program. We're just seeing a flood of new
10:48
Speaker 3: developers who don't already have a product. They're not some
10:51
Speaker 3: established business, but they've decided the first crypto app that
10:54
Speaker 3: they want to build is for slonomobile.
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Speaker 1: I think we're going to see an absolute influx. One
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Speaker 1: of the areas that I'm really interested in is geofencing
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Speaker 1: and geolocation. And you think about where geo has come from,
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Speaker 1: this is one of the I would say, one of
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Speaker 1: the major technologies that'll help launch mobile in the first play.
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Speaker 1: And I want to go to a clip here because
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Speaker 1: this is Geodenet, because this will kind of surprise you
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Speaker 1: what this will do to a device.
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Speaker 5: Take a look augmented reality. I can't find my Pokemon.
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Speaker 5: Where's my Pokemon connected into geodnet?
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Speaker 3: Boom.
11:27
Speaker 5: I have that geodnet coin right in front of the
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Speaker 5: door to symbolize our building, just to demonstrate the accuracy difference.
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Speaker 5: So the purple is your phone's GPS, blue is geodnet.
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Speaker 5: You can see it's about one hundred times more accurate.
11:38
Speaker 5: We're really proud that we're going to be bringing Geodnet's
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Speaker 5: service directly to the Secret phone, first mobile only device
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Speaker 5: that we launch on now.
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Speaker 1: This could be a revolution if you think about it,
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Speaker 1: a device that can get down to the pinpoint. You
11:52
Speaker 1: think about drone delivery for food you look at. I mean,
11:56
Speaker 1: just around the other day, I'm trying to get an
11:58
Speaker 1: Uber in the Uber driver find because geolocation doesn't work
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Speaker 1: in the Uber app. So the opportunities are pretty big
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Speaker 1: here around brands getting much more accurate data. This is
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Speaker 1: just the beginning. Are there any other I want to
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Speaker 1: kind of jump to that. Are there any other apps
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Speaker 1: out there or aaps I should say that you feel like?
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Speaker 2: Are man?
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Speaker 1: This could really change the way we use mobile devices.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think jodnet is a great starting point. I
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Speaker 3: think the idea that phones have always had better technology
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Speaker 3: for location and just never offered that data up to developers.
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Speaker 3: The geodnet team is taking a leap forward and they're saying, hey,
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Speaker 3: what if phones could take advantage of that and offer
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Speaker 3: better locations. So, whether it's their Quest app or other
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Speaker 3: location based apps that we know are being built that
12:43
Speaker 3: will take advantage of it. I think that's a huge opportunity.
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Speaker 3: A couple of the areas otherwise that I think our
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Speaker 3: team is really excited about, first and foremost is trading.
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Speaker 3: It's actually insane to think that you have to return
12:56
Speaker 3: to your desk anytime you want to make a trade,
12:59
Speaker 3: or you know, you see marketing conditions shifting and you
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Speaker 3: could do it on your phone, but right now it's
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Speaker 3: just so clunky and so insecure, so most people just
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Speaker 3: to fall back to their computer. I should be able
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Speaker 3: to get a notification wherever I am anytime something changes
13:11
Speaker 3: that I might want to trade against. So both trading
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Speaker 3: and launch platforms, we just see those being just a
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Speaker 3: huge mobile centric use case. And then I think the
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Speaker 3: last is deepen more broadly. Like I was saying, earlier
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Speaker 3: phones generate so much data that is so useful and
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Speaker 3: so powerful. The ability to contribute that data back to
13:28
Speaker 3: these networks and potentially monetize it is going to be
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Speaker 3: a huge use case for our users. So I would
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Speaker 3: say that those are generally three areas that we're excited
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Speaker 3: to continue to see taps being built.
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Speaker 1: One other era I would like to add to that
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Speaker 1: is the potential of what we'll see on payment because
13:42
Speaker 1: the opportunity right now, if you just look at the
13:44
Speaker 1: proliferation of Apple Pay, it's almost i would say, everywhere,
13:49
Speaker 1: and right now it's very easy to use seamless mediate,
13:52
Speaker 1: all those kind of things. But it's Apple Pay, and
13:55
Speaker 1: you still have the infrastructure of the traditional merching system
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Speaker 1: and all that. Tom Robot who's been on our show before,
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Speaker 1: I know, he was a hackathon here recently with you guys.
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Speaker 1: I want to play a clip because this is a
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Speaker 1: breakdown of what he's building in the loyalty space for retail.
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Speaker 2: Take a look.
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Speaker 6: Well, if I told you could do this in a
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Speaker 6: single tap, pay and earn points in the same tap.
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Speaker 6: So here, watch real closely. We're going to spend one
14:19
Speaker 6: hundred dollars and what happens, pulls out a normal bank card.
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Speaker 6: At the same time it pulls out the lowerty pass,
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Speaker 6: the Oakland Buller's Pass, and we can see here we've
14:29
Speaker 6: earned one hundred Buller bucks. We can generate a pass
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Speaker 6: which is stilled in the Apple or Gigle wallet. With
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Speaker 6: one tap, it builds a pass and it deep links
14:37
Speaker 6: straight into the Apple wallet. So we click add and
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Speaker 6: this is ready to be tapped to point of sale.
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Speaker 6: To earn points to redeem for merch et cetera. Once
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Speaker 6: you've earned these points out of point of sale, you
14:49
Speaker 6: can then redeem these at an online marketplace.
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Speaker 1: All right, So what Tom is doing there is he's
14:53
Speaker 1: really showcasing maybe the future of loyalty and right now
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Speaker 1: almost every restaurant, hotel, airline company out there is generating
15:02
Speaker 1: these loyalty points. This could be a huge boom for
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Speaker 1: the merchant industry. Are you guys focusing more time on
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Speaker 1: that right now?
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Speaker 3: Yes, we're talking to a bunch of teams who are
15:13
Speaker 3: thinking both about payments and loyalty programs. Phones are the
15:16
Speaker 3: most obvious way to be paying for stuff. I don't
15:19
Speaker 3: know about you. I don't bring my wallet with me
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Speaker 3: as much as I used to because I know I
15:22
Speaker 3: can just pull my phone out and tap to pay.
15:25
Speaker 3: But you're right, like, having to accept that that's either
15:28
Speaker 3: going to be Apple or Google who owns that experience
15:30
Speaker 3: is a tough pill to swallow, and it closes a
15:32
Speaker 3: lot of doors for developers. So we're really focused on
15:34
Speaker 3: opening that up, both using the traditional infrastructure and trying
15:37
Speaker 3: to make things that work, but also trying to find
15:40
Speaker 3: ways around that. How can you enable better peer to
15:42
Speaker 3: peer or peer to merchant payment experiences. That's something we're
15:45
Speaker 3: spending a lot of time thinking about. And we also
15:47
Speaker 3: want to make sure that you know, for some users
15:50
Speaker 3: it feels like everything their assets on chain are sort
15:54
Speaker 3: of locked up and it can only be spent on chain.
15:57
Speaker 3: We want to break down those walls that you can
15:59
Speaker 3: take the top that you've got in your wallet or
16:01
Speaker 3: your USDC or whatever it is and use it in
16:03
Speaker 3: more places, right in the same way you take your
16:06
Speaker 3: phone somewhere. You just want to use it. You want
16:07
Speaker 3: to meet things to be as easy as possible. So
16:09
Speaker 3: we're spending a lot of time thinking about that. We're
16:11
Speaker 3: working with a lot of teams trying to solve those problems.
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Speaker 1: One thing though, that is important is the app store.
16:17
Speaker 1: So you've got coinbase doing what feels like an app store.
16:22
Speaker 1: I guess in a way, and I'll show you guys
16:23
Speaker 1: an example of this that runs on Base. Here's an
16:27
Speaker 1: example of that of one of the agent projects that's
16:31
Speaker 1: out there by Day I. We've had them on the show,
16:34
Speaker 1: and what they're doing is is because they don't have
16:35
Speaker 1: an app within the ecosystem, they're actually using the Base
16:38
Speaker 1: ecosystem for notifications. This, of course all changes with the
16:43
Speaker 1: Seeker and the Salona dap store. So explain to me
16:47
Speaker 1: kind of the differences of what you guys are trying
16:49
Speaker 1: to do there.
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Speaker 3: To compare us. To compare the Salana dap store against
16:52
Speaker 3: the existing app stores, two major things come to mind.
16:55
Speaker 3: The first is we don't have anti crypto policies. We
17:00
Speaker 3: hear from developers all the time. They spend all this time,
17:02
Speaker 3: all this money building a mobile app. They submit it
17:04
Speaker 3: to the stores, and then they wait, and then they wait,
17:07
Speaker 3: and then they wait, and then they eventually get rejected
17:09
Speaker 3: or maybe they'll get an app accepted, but it depends
17:12
Speaker 3: on which reviewer they get on which day to determine
17:14
Speaker 3: their fate, and they have to scrub a lot of
17:16
Speaker 3: the marketing materials that make the app more interesting to
17:19
Speaker 3: a lot of the crypto user base. We don't have
17:21
Speaker 3: those arbitrary policies. We want users to build crypto first.
17:24
Speaker 3: We want them to be able to market what they're building.
17:27
Speaker 3: The second is fees. Apple and Google take thirty percent
17:30
Speaker 3: or so of all revenue that developers get through their
17:33
Speaker 3: app stores. That doesn't work in crypto. The idea that
17:37
Speaker 3: I would you buy an NFT from a marketplace or
17:40
Speaker 3: pay for tokens and then bleed thirty percent of that
17:43
Speaker 3: potential purchase price off to some centralized party. Makes zero sense,
17:48
Speaker 3: And so we don't charge those fees of developers. You know,
17:51
Speaker 3: we expect them to be able to innovate from a
17:53
Speaker 3: business model perspective. So I would say that that's the
17:55
Speaker 3: biggest difference for us is we're just much more builder friendly.
17:58
Speaker 3: We're much more crypto friendly than the distinct stores and
18:01
Speaker 3: compared to the other on chain alternatives that are starting
18:04
Speaker 3: to build up, whether that's you know, mini apps in
18:06
Speaker 3: something like a telegram, whether that's you know, using the
18:10
Speaker 3: notification stack of something like a base, all those are
18:13
Speaker 3: really interesting efforts. We want to see as much mobile
18:15
Speaker 3: first development and innovation as possible in the space. We're
18:19
Speaker 3: most confident in our store. We're the only people who
18:21
Speaker 3: are building a phone. We're the only people who have
18:23
Speaker 3: the privileges that are required to be auto updating apps
18:25
Speaker 3: in the background and letting builders build actually native apps
18:29
Speaker 3: as opposed to web apps or mini apps where all
18:31
Speaker 3: the functionality is a little bit watered down. So we're
18:34
Speaker 3: super confident in our approach. I think we're going to
18:36
Speaker 3: give users the best possible experience in dev's the most reach.
18:39
Speaker 3: But it's great to see all the innovation that's happening. Frankly,
18:41
Speaker 3: I think a rising tide's going to float all boats here.
18:43
Speaker 1: Here's here's kind of a visual of this, so you
18:46
Speaker 1: guys can kind of see it. When a notifications coming in,
18:48
Speaker 1: what is what Emma's talking about is it's coming in
18:51
Speaker 1: through the coinbas wallet app, so it's not actually the
18:54
Speaker 1: bite a gentic Ai giving you a notification. That's where
18:57
Speaker 1: the Seeker, I think is really going to shine because
19:00
Speaker 1: you'll have.
19:00
Speaker 2: Native apps that are just right there to.
19:03
Speaker 1: You and you're not really, you know, kind of being
19:05
Speaker 1: held custody by you know, a third party app that
19:08
Speaker 1: you're building another app up on top of. So dammit,
19:11
Speaker 1: here's the helium numbers right here. I'll kind of zoom
19:14
Speaker 1: in on that a little bit, but you can kind
19:15
Speaker 1: of see total mobile subscribers really started taking off back
19:19
Speaker 1: here in April, and now we've had a skyrocket since
19:21
Speaker 1: they launched their free program. But this could be big
19:24
Speaker 1: because they're going to hit what is that now two
19:27
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy eight thousand I think they're going to
19:29
Speaker 1: get another whether they get another one hundred and fifty
19:31
Speaker 1: thousand when you guys ship all the seekers, or if
19:33
Speaker 1: we get a certain percentage at point is we're going
19:36
Speaker 1: to see another I think a lot of people going
19:38
Speaker 1: to the Helium network to get that free platform. What
19:41
Speaker 1: is the critical component of adoption that you think needs
19:46
Speaker 1: to take place for to go from one hundred and
19:50
Speaker 1: fifty thousand seekers to multi million seekers?
19:54
Speaker 2: What would have to take place?
19:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, a few things. First, we need great apps. The
20:01
Speaker 3: only way this whole platform makes sense if there are
20:04
Speaker 3: things that you can only do on it that actually
20:06
Speaker 3: solve problems. The must have apps that crypto. There's only
20:10
Speaker 3: a handful of those that exist so far, and so
20:13
Speaker 3: we're spending as much time as we can supporting developers,
20:16
Speaker 3: giving them grants, trying to encourage that type of innovation.
20:20
Speaker 3: I think it doesn't take a thousand home run apps
20:23
Speaker 3: for this to make sense. We just need a handful
20:26
Speaker 3: who can inspire the next handful, who can inspire the
20:28
Speaker 3: next handful. So I think that that's going to be
20:30
Speaker 3: most critical. There needs to be an app that everybody
20:32
Speaker 3: will not stop talking about that you can only get
20:34
Speaker 3: on the Solanto mobile platform and on Seeker. I think
20:37
Speaker 3: aside from that, we need to get the user experience
20:40
Speaker 3: of our platform really right. One of the things that
20:42
Speaker 3: we're doing differently between two Seeker that we didn't do
20:45
Speaker 3: with Saga is we've actually built our own wallet, So
20:47
Speaker 3: we're working with the team at Soulflair. We're building the
20:49
Speaker 3: seed Vault wallet. The purpose of that is to create
20:53
Speaker 3: the Apple pay esque magic experience that you were talking
20:56
Speaker 3: about earlier, where signing transactions and signing messages feels as
21:01
Speaker 3: seamless as hitting that Apple Pay button when you're at
21:04
Speaker 3: checkout somewhere and then all of a sudden you've spent
21:07
Speaker 3: the money you maybe didn't mean to spend, or it
21:10
Speaker 3: just is so easy. So I think those are the
21:12
Speaker 3: two big things. We need developers to step up and
21:14
Speaker 3: build totally new, totally novel things, and we need to
21:17
Speaker 3: get the user experience of the platform really right, so
21:19
Speaker 3: that signing transactions and connecting to DAPs can feel as
21:22
Speaker 3: seamless as possible in a way that users have grown
21:24
Speaker 3: accustomed to with all of the great Web two apps
21:26
Speaker 3: out there.
21:28
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's good to hear you say that, because
21:30
Speaker 1: I think This is a thing when you're talking about
21:32
Speaker 1: developers out there. I know we have a lot to
21:34
Speaker 1: watch our show building something that, to your point, is
21:38
Speaker 1: almost a must have, And I think that's what we
21:41
Speaker 1: saw in the early stages of mobile adoption.
21:44
Speaker 2: Just in general.
21:45
Speaker 1: Is it became a device that you must have, much
21:48
Speaker 1: like many things that we see now with online commerce
21:51
Speaker 1: and tools today, whether it's in right hailing or you.
21:55
Speaker 2: Know, some sort of food delivery or something that would
21:57
Speaker 2: be an everyday activity.
21:58
Speaker 1: I think this will be interesting to see those come out.
22:01
Speaker 1: The other one area that I'm really concerned about obviously
22:04
Speaker 1: is going to be security. If you look at what's
22:05
Speaker 1: been going on with Coinbase. You know, Coinbase had their
22:08
Speaker 1: data breach that was a big issue. I know Raj
22:11
Speaker 1: even ended up getting docks out there. So with all
22:15
Speaker 1: of this happening, what does it look like right now
22:19
Speaker 1: in terms of security and how on chain verification is
22:22
Speaker 1: going to work versus just privacy in general.
22:25
Speaker 2: How do you guys see this?
22:26
Speaker 3: It starts with hardware. We built our own hardware so
22:30
Speaker 3: that we could give users a more secure crypto experience.
22:34
Speaker 3: We built seed Vault on Saga. Seat Vault is a
22:36
Speaker 3: more secure way to manage your keys, and so seed Vault,
22:39
Speaker 3: just like a hardware wallet, keeps all that information totally
22:42
Speaker 3: separate from the apps, totally separate from the operating system.
22:45
Speaker 3: And so we think the fundamentals of what is a
22:50
Speaker 3: secure way to store a user's seed is the most
22:52
Speaker 3: important starting point, and that's where we've started everything Beyond there,
22:56
Speaker 3: you know, there's tons of opportunities to continue to innovate.
22:58
Speaker 3: Teams are taking lots of really interesting swite swings in
23:01
Speaker 3: the NPC space or various types of smart wallet infrastructure,
23:06
Speaker 3: but without a really secure, solid foundation, which is what
23:10
Speaker 3: we built with seed Fault, and none of that innovation matters.
23:12
Speaker 3: And so yeah, we're confident that, you know, most of
23:15
Speaker 3: that innovation is going to make most sense on a
23:17
Speaker 3: device that's actually built for these use cases.
23:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited to see how this is going
23:21
Speaker 1: to play out for sure.
23:23
Speaker 2: Last couple of areas I want to hit on. One is gaming.
23:26
Speaker 1: We put this tweet out Gosh almost a year ago,
23:29
Speaker 1: and this was all about trying to get the chapter
23:32
Speaker 1: two on Solana to become more of a gaming device.
23:37
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of curious when you look at the
23:38
Speaker 1: size of gaming in general. I mean, come on, we're
23:40
Speaker 1: talking about billions of players out there. If you could
23:43
Speaker 1: plug in real earning capacity, and most likely we'll see
23:48
Speaker 1: Web three games that are already going in this direction.
23:51
Speaker 2: Would that not open up an.
23:52
Speaker 1: Opportunity really to get a lot of people on boarded
23:56
Speaker 1: into web three very fast? What are your thoughts on
23:59
Speaker 1: the gaming side of this versus just a traditional use
24:02
Speaker 1: of a phone.
24:03
Speaker 3: So we're going to see a bunch of apps that
24:06
Speaker 3: are games oriented in our store. You know, we've already
24:08
Speaker 3: talked to a bunch of teams who are building games
24:10
Speaker 3: on Slana. They're happy to come to our store. So yes,
24:12
Speaker 3: I think in the future we would love to see
24:15
Speaker 3: more gaming centric hardware that supported our platform. And the
24:19
Speaker 3: good news is we're opening up the whole stack. We
24:21
Speaker 3: want to make it easy for somebody who's building that
24:24
Speaker 3: next new innovative piece of hardware to incorporate our ADAP store,
24:27
Speaker 3: and incorporate seed vault, and incorporate sea Fault wallet. That's
24:31
Speaker 3: really core to our vision here. And so whether our
24:34
Speaker 3: next device is a gaming centric device, or whether another
24:37
Speaker 3: team's next device is a gaming centric device that uses
24:40
Speaker 3: our platform, I think it's a no brainer. That gaming.
24:42
Speaker 3: It's going to be a portal into this whole ecosystem.
24:45
Speaker 1: Well, if you look back on our tweet, we were
24:47
Speaker 1: talking about x reel at the time. They of course
24:49
Speaker 1: have launched now with it. And if you guys have
24:52
Speaker 1: never seen the x roal, it's basically a set of
24:54
Speaker 1: glasses very similar to the metaglasses, but much more efficient.
24:58
Speaker 1: This is kind of showing an example of the use case.
25:00
Speaker 1: So it plugs right into a mobile device, gives you
25:03
Speaker 1: an ar you know, augmented reality vision, but it also
25:07
Speaker 1: potentially opens up a whole gaming ecosystem.
25:09
Speaker 2: So I think that is the cool part.
25:11
Speaker 1: And when you look at Project Ara in general, well
25:13
Speaker 1: let me play the clip for you and get your
25:14
Speaker 1: opinion of this.
25:15
Speaker 2: Take a look. So xrayl just teamed up with Google.
25:18
Speaker 3: It's called Project Aura.
25:20
Speaker 4: But Aura adds what looks like a camera above the
25:22
Speaker 4: nose bridge. The real processing happens on your phone using
25:26
Speaker 4: a full color diffractive waveguide embedded in the right lens.
25:29
Speaker 4: Basically the lens becomes a tiny transparent screen that overlays
25:33
Speaker 4: helpful visuals. Probably the coolest feature was the map's integrate,
25:36
Speaker 4: agreed fairly high resolution considering the pin would move too.
25:41
Speaker 7: If that part works instant Like, that's a killer feature
25:45
Speaker 7: for me.
25:45
Speaker 2: This is a very big deal for x Rael.
25:48
Speaker 7: I feel like all the pieces are ready. Hey, I
25:50
Speaker 7: we believe it's going to make the whole XR experience
25:52
Speaker 7: so much better to the next.
25:54
Speaker 6: Level, Like how real is this? You know?
25:56
Speaker 2: As soon as you know at the end of this.
25:58
Speaker 4: Year, is that it keep going.
26:00
Speaker 7: This time they recognize they need to work with a
26:03
Speaker 7: lot of other om punters and starting with some salt
26:07
Speaker 7: and you know, we have x real. We have even
26:09
Speaker 7: gentle mounseer Wobby Parker announcing yesterday as well. I see
26:12
Speaker 7: we're putting alliance working together to deliver a variety of
26:16
Speaker 7: different kinds of flood devices for Enjoy NEXTR.
26:18
Speaker 1: Something that's going to create that must have need and
26:22
Speaker 1: the opportunity if you get a device like that that's lightweight,
26:26
Speaker 1: very functional, has all these unique tools that are everyday
26:29
Speaker 1: use tools and can integrate into Web three and possibly
26:33
Speaker 1: you know the functionality of tokens and rewards and all
26:36
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff.
26:37
Speaker 2: Man, this would be a home run for you guys.
26:40
Speaker 3: No question, no question. We would love, love, love to
26:42
Speaker 3: support devices like that going forward. One of the things
26:45
Speaker 3: we announced recently is we're building a new type of architecture,
26:49
Speaker 3: something we call tep in, and the purpose of that
26:52
Speaker 3: architecture is to support new types of devices. So whether
26:55
Speaker 3: it's augmented reality, glasses, additional phones, additional tablets, watch, you
27:00
Speaker 3: name it. We want to build something that is open
27:03
Speaker 3: that all types of devices can support, but is trustworthy
27:06
Speaker 3: so that as we introduce more layers and more types
27:10
Speaker 3: of builders, people can join in a way that doesn't
27:12
Speaker 3: require going through a central party, doesn't require signing up
27:15
Speaker 3: with a Google or an Apple and hinding them everything,
27:18
Speaker 3: but rather just openly joining something that's going to continue
27:21
Speaker 3: to grow. So I would love to see use cases
27:23
Speaker 3: like that showing up on our platform.
27:25
Speaker 1: Man, we are in such a unique time. You've got Ai, blockchain,
27:29
Speaker 1: mobile compute, all of this is happening at the same time.
27:32
Speaker 1: It feels like I've never seen the technist I've been
27:35
Speaker 1: in around it for a long time. I've never seen
27:36
Speaker 1: the tech industry have this many major things happening at
27:41
Speaker 1: the same time that are somewhat coexisting and intersecting.
27:44
Speaker 2: Now, so very cool.
27:46
Speaker 1: We're going to get back with you guys as things
27:48
Speaker 1: start to release here on the Seeker and of course
27:50
Speaker 1: obviously as you guys continue to add features. EMMITTT thanks
27:53
Speaker 1: so much for coming in today. We appreciate it.
27:56
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