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Badass of the Week, with Ben Thompson - Part 1: History's Most Ridiculous Friendly-fire Incident · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as
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  Speaker 2: always so much for tuning in. Let's hear it for
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  Speaker 2: the man, the myth, the legend of Friendly Fire. Our
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  Speaker 2: super producer, mister Max Williams.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Max Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Max Williams. Now, who are those dulcet tones? We
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  Speaker 2: may be asking ourselves. It's none other than Noel.
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  Speaker 3: Brown and Ben Balen. That's you.
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  Speaker 4: You two have dulcet tones, and together we make we
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  Speaker 4: should start a like a like a like a kind
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  Speaker 4: of a do wop band called the Dulcet Tones.
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  Speaker 2: There we go, There we go. We could do boys
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  Speaker 2: to men? Is that a name that's already a thing?
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  Speaker 4: ACBBD, BVD or BBD.
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  Speaker 3: I've never fully understood.
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  Speaker 2: I love it, man, I would love it. We actually, uh,
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  Speaker 2: in the past, have hung out outside of our our
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  Speaker 2: daily remit.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: No, we are, as you know, fans of Ridiculous History.
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  Speaker 2: We are especially fans of bad asses. This is a
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  Speaker 2: pretty blatant segue, because, oh, friends and neighbors, we are
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  Speaker 2: joined with a guy. Now, I know I sound biased
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  Speaker 2: because his name is also Bet, but you're you remember
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  Speaker 2: a little while back we talked with the guy who
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  Speaker 2: created the concept of a Badass of the week. That's right, folks,
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  Speaker 2: we are joined today with none other than the creator
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  Speaker 2: of Badass of the Week, an ongoing exploration of history
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  Speaker 2: that is ridiculous in the most amazing way. Please join
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  Speaker 2: us in welcoming the one and only Ben Thompson.
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  Speaker 6: Hello, thank you guys for having me on the show.
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  Speaker 6: I regret to inform you that I do not have
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  Speaker 6: dulcet tones and I am not appearing with a badass today.
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  Speaker 4: You're the only badass we need, and don't sell your
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  Speaker 4: tones short, buddy, there are plenty dulls.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're in the band, for sure. You're you're in
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  Speaker 2: the band.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, I'll take it. I'm not gonna say no.
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  Speaker 4: You know, what's your voice? What's your vocal register? Are
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  Speaker 4: you like a baritone tenor?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I have I'm at the level where I have a
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  Speaker 6: list of songs on my telephone that I cannot stray
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  Speaker 6: from if I put my name in for karaoke. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I generally stick to like cake and the violent fems
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  Speaker 6: and bands that don't involve singing just speak the words,
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  Speaker 6: you know, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: I respect that, but yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I have this list and it's like, these are the
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  Speaker 6: ones that I know, because you know, there's nothing worse
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  Speaker 6: with karaoke than getting up there and the music starts
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  Speaker 6: and you do the first line of the song. You're like, uh, oh,
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  Speaker 6: not only do what? Can I not sing this? But
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  Speaker 6: I don't know all the words to it? And it's
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  Speaker 6: super long.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 6: You get up there, like everybody will sing along and
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  Speaker 6: you start and you're like, I can't do this.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody's singing along. You're like, I just want to die.
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  Speaker 5: I just want to put the.
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  Speaker 4: Mic a rookie mistake, Bohemian Rhapsody. Never It's almost as
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  Speaker 4: bad as doing like Stairway to Heaven. But I do
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  Speaker 4: have to say the most important thing when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to karaoke and history is going the distance.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, you can make up for a lot of
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  Speaker 5: lack of talent with effort.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm feeling very cold out now. But
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  Speaker 2: uh but speaking of talent, speaking of effort and acumen, Ben,
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  Speaker 2: congratulations on one hundred episodes of.
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  Speaker 6: Badassk Yeah recently, So that's awesome, you know, the website
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  Speaker 6: started in four so the website can drink.
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  Speaker 5: Now, that's how old that is.
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  Speaker 6: And now the podcast at one hundred episodes, so you
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  Speaker 6: know that's you know, the good news is it's hard
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  Speaker 6: to run out of badasses to talk about in history,
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  Speaker 6: which I love really fun. You know, every time I
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  Speaker 6: do an episode, every week, I do one episode, but
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  Speaker 6: I get like five recommendations for somebody I haven't written
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  Speaker 6: about before. So the list continues to get bigger.
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  Speaker 4: And yet you say, you come to us today, badass free.
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  Speaker 4: What's that about? Explain yourself, sir.
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  Speaker 6: So Badass of the Week comes out on Tuesdays, and
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  Speaker 6: I'm gonna, you know, double post this on my feed,
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  Speaker 6: this episode on my feed. But for me, this episode
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  Speaker 6: will be released on April Fool's Day, so I always,
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  Speaker 6: you know, it's rare. I used to update the website
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  Speaker 6: on Fridays. The podcast comes out on Tuesdays, but whenever,
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  Speaker 6: like the exact day lands on April Fools, I like
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  Speaker 6: to try to do something fun. So today, rather than
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  Speaker 6: talk about a badass, I want to talk about the
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  Speaker 6: dumbest battle in history as far as I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Consuming, which is you know, that's a that's a that's
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  Speaker 2: a competitive list.
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  Speaker 6: It's a competitive list, and you would think it would
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  Speaker 6: be really difficult to pick the dumbest battle in history.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I'm in I'm in Washington State. We had
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  Speaker 5: a pig war here where we.
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  Speaker 3: Know what the pig war. We did the pig war,
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  Speaker 3: didn't we, Ben? We did the pig war.
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  Speaker 2: We had to. There was a war uh entirely based
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  Speaker 2: on a guy losing an ear.
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  Speaker 5: Uh yeah jenkins ear.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: They put it in the name, something about throwing potatoes
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  Speaker 4: from a submarine. I seem to remember that one. I
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  Speaker 4: do have to say, though, Ben, I hope that the
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  Speaker 4: the ridiculousness of this battle really makes up for a
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  Speaker 4: mega dry episode on the Russo Japanese War that we
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  Speaker 4: did recently.
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  Speaker 5: Russo Japanese War is pretty bad ass. Like Admiral Telle Yes,
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  Speaker 5: nuts like that. That Battle of Tsushima is insane.
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  Speaker 2: So Ben set the scene for us first off. Also,
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  Speaker 2: clearly I'm biased because I love other people named Ben.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I don't want to make it weird, but
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  Speaker 2: I do want to be Trys.
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  Speaker 5: You're making it a little weird.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm going for you guys collectively as the Benz.
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  Speaker 5: All right, the Benz. Yeah yeah, yeah, so sounds dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: Baby's got the Benz.
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  Speaker 2: So let's cast our memories back to first off, start
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  Speaker 2: this way, Ben Noel, Max Fellow, ridiculous historians have yet
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  Speaker 2: ever traveled to Austria.
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  Speaker 3: When I was a young German boy, I most likely
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  Speaker 3: set foot in Austria, but not since then, No, I
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  Speaker 3: don't believe.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 6: I was in exchange student to Germany in nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 6: six and we drove down to Bavaria. We crossed over
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  Speaker 6: to Saltzburg and I went to the castle there. I
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  Speaker 6: saw Mozart was born, and I climbed up to the
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  Speaker 6: top of the castle there. That was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see where Arnold Schwarzenegger was born?
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  Speaker 5: I did it.
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  Speaker 6: But I learned something interesting about Arnold recently that made
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  Speaker 6: me laugh. Apparently this is going to be one of
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure many segues that I'm gonna are gonna I
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  Speaker 6: learned about Arnold recently that he wanted to when the
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  Speaker 6: Terminator came out. He wanted to do the German dub
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  Speaker 6: of the Terminator because he speaks German and it's going
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  Speaker 6: to be released in Germany. But apparently he is from
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  Speaker 6: some mountain town in Austria, and he has some like
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  Speaker 6: super rednecky German accent, And so they were like, no,
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  Speaker 6: nobody will believe that the sophisticated cyborg killing machine from
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  Speaker 6: the future talks like a hillbilly. So we're gonna with
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  Speaker 6: somebody else with a much more like appropriate German accent.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, all right, I love it. And it goes
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  Speaker 2: to show that even the most modern badass has a
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  Speaker 2: couple things that stay with them.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, you know, nothing's perfect, right, nobody's perfect.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing's perfect right, And even the most sophisticated militaries can
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  Speaker 2: sometimes step on their own.
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  Speaker 3: Toes, foisted on their own petard.
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  Speaker 2: So take us, like, we're not just spinning our wheels here, right,
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  Speaker 2: We're not just uh, we're not just flexing our leader
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  Speaker 2: hosen or what have you. You do.
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  Speaker 3: They are a little tighter, Well, they have like suspender
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  Speaker 3: esque Well, when you do those oompa dance moves, you
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  Speaker 3: gotta have they gotta have a little give to it,
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  Speaker 3: or you might, you know, rip the back out, you.
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  Speaker 6: Know, Yeah, yeah, that'd be dangerous. That's worse than trying
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  Speaker 6: to do Bohemian rapsy to karaoke. Blowing out your leader.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, guys, uh umpa version of Bohemian Rhapsody,
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  Speaker 4: just saying, just putting that out there.
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  Speaker 3: The world needs this, so sorry, carry on.
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  Speaker 2: Please, let's call let's call weird al on this, Let's
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  Speaker 2: get top men.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure it might. Maybe it's been done. I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like there's so many verse sets.
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  Speaker 3: A version of everything. Yeah, so that's sort of the
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  Speaker 3: whole deal.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. I love that there's a new version
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  Speaker 2: of everything. Uh Ben, tell us what friendly fire is?
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  Speaker 6: Okay, friendly fire is when you shoot your own guys
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  Speaker 6: by accident. They call it friendly fire. It's not that friendly.
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  Speaker 6: It's when you accidentally shoot your own guys on your
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  Speaker 6: own on the same side as you go.
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  Speaker 4: It is, you know, and in like certain shooter games,
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  Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken, there's like a difficulty level I
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  Speaker 4: think where you can friendly fire is a thing you can't. Actually,
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  Speaker 4: there are certain games where you can kill your own team.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you'll get banned from from team killing in some games.
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  Speaker 6: And yeah, like it's a it's a thing, and like
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  Speaker 6: you know.
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  Speaker 3: A bit of an own goal as they say, yeah, sport.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, And so when we are going to talk about
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  Speaker 6: the Battle of karen Sevi's here. It's referred to as
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  Speaker 6: a battle, but it's such a friendly fire incident that
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  Speaker 6: sometimes it's referred to as just that, a friendly fire
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  Speaker 6: incident and not a battle. But I always have seen
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  Speaker 6: it written as the Battle of karen Sevies, and I
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  Speaker 6: think it is the stupidest battle in history. So we're
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  Speaker 6: going to talk about it and the battle here. We're
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  Speaker 6: in a time period that can sometimes be a bit
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  Speaker 6: of a of a black hole, even for like historians.
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  Speaker 6: We are in the seventeen hundreds in Eastern Europe, which
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  Speaker 6: is the time in which everything is fluid, and you
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  Speaker 6: have this kind of the height of the Habsburg Empire,
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  Speaker 6: the Holy Roman Empire, and there's a lot of weird
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  Speaker 6: politics that.
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  Speaker 5: Happened at this time period.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna and the Ottomans are still in play, right.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, the Ottomans are still in play.
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  Speaker 2: And so before they thought they were thought of as.
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  Speaker 6: Furniture, right yes, yes, back when they were still the
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  Speaker 6: Ottomans and they were not Trichia yet they were the
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  Speaker 6: Ottoman Empire.
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  Speaker 4: They're around what's what's an Ottoman? That's the thing you
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  Speaker 4: put your feet on, right, yes, that's not cool. You
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  Speaker 4: don't want to be remembered for that bit of a
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  Speaker 4: dormat kind of situation.
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  Speaker 5: They invented it. I think.
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  Speaker 6: I think it gets its name because it was a
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  Speaker 6: thing that they were using, and I think it was like,
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  Speaker 6: I think it was fancy, like when they first sat.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, this is exactly that they do. What the Ottoman
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  Speaker 5: sultans do.
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  Speaker 3: It was like the.
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  Speaker 4: Stool boom and Blaine, Indiana from waiting for Gufman. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's like a whole uh An industry that just sprang
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  Speaker 4: up over this one esoteric piece of furniture.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the sultan started by making his servants get down
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  Speaker 6: on all fours. We could put her feet on their backs.
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  Speaker 6: And then they're like, what if it were built a
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  Speaker 6: piece of.
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  Speaker 3: Wood, we had a non human equivalent. Okay, okay, I'm listening.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So the Ottoman Empire very much in play.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, they're in place. So let's start in the Holy
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  Speaker 6: Roman Empire in seventeen forty one with the birth of
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  Speaker 6: the future Holy Roman Emperor Joseph the Second, so Holy
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  Speaker 6: Roman Empire. This is the Austro Hungarian Empire. You'll see
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  Speaker 6: it sometimes referred to we are in Austria. Joseph's mother
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  Speaker 6: is the Empress Maria Theresa, and Maria Theresa's badass. We're
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  Speaker 6: gonna have some badass women that make ancillary appearances in
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  Speaker 6: this story. But Marie Theresa, I could talk about her
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  Speaker 6: at length, I'm not going to, but she's pretty badass.
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  Speaker 6: She takes over the throne of the Holy Roman Empire.
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  Speaker 6: She's attacked by Frederick the Great and several other armies.
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  Speaker 6: You have this European World War that one of these
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  Speaker 6: one of the many European World Wars that were happening
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  Speaker 6: around this time, and she is able to hang on
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  Speaker 6: to power in the War of Austrian Succession. She builds
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  Speaker 6: up Austria Hungary, makes it pretty dominant regional power, and
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  Speaker 6: then when Frederick the Great comes back in the Seven
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  Speaker 6: Years War, she fights them off much better. Seven Years
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  Speaker 6: War is another big world war. France gets involved England.
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  Speaker 6: In the US, we call it the War the French
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  Speaker 6: and Indian War because we were in England and France
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  Speaker 6: were at war and they're fighting over Louisiana the wars.
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  Speaker 2: And we're a little self centered.
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  Speaker 6: Sure, of course, yeah, Well, we were only fighting the
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  Speaker 6: French and the Indians. We weren't fighting the Austrians and
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  Speaker 6: the Russians, but they were fighting each other in Crimea
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  Speaker 6: and in India and whatever. So anyway, though Maria Trece
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  Speaker 6: is she's a tough lady and she has this son, Joseph.
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  Speaker 6: He is born in seventeen forty one and he is
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  Speaker 6: officially co ruler, but that just means that he he
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  Speaker 6: just signs the documents that Maritsteresa puts in front of him.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, king of paperwork.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, like the equivalent of the auto pen that's been
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  Speaker 4: much to do has been made about in the news.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know the story.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know what the autopen.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a thing apparently it's been used for you know,
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  Speaker 4: many many presidencies where it's like it's a literal mechanical
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  Speaker 4: device that recreates.
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  Speaker 3: A signature on multiple documents at once. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know about it either until it's been kind
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  Speaker 4: of in the news, but it is something. Actually we
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  Speaker 4: should probably do an episode on the history of the
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  Speaker 4: autopen because it was very much like an invention that
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  Speaker 4: was created to you know, serve a need.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think back in Length of the sixties.
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  Speaker 2: I'm writing it down with a regular pen, with a
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  Speaker 2: regular pen, yeah for sure. All right, so we got
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  Speaker 2: this emperor of Emperor of paperwork in action, even though
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  Speaker 2: a co ruler in sort of theory.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, So I'm seventeen sixty three, the Seven Years War ends,
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  Speaker 6: he's twenty two years old. He is getting a little
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  Speaker 6: bit more power, and then when his mother passes away
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  Speaker 6: two years later, he becomes the ruler of the Holy
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  Speaker 6: Roman Empire. Okay, So Joseph the Second he's an interesting guy.
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  Speaker 6: He he referred to himself as an enlightened despot, which
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  Speaker 6: sounds yes, okay, I remember.
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  Speaker 3: Did he coin that?
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I've used I've heard that used to
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  Speaker 4: describe other people in it.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I'm not sure whether he invented that or not.
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  Speaker 6: Knowing what I know about this guy, probably not. He
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  Speaker 6: probably heard the term and liked it and applied it
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  Speaker 6: to himself.
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  Speaker 2: He said, also me, Yeah, that's what I definitely that
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  Speaker 2: like someone reposting a meme on Reddit. All right, so
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  Speaker 2: he's got this big Victor von Doom energy.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so he's an enlightened despot, which it sounds bad,
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  Speaker 6: but it's okay. So basically, the enlightenment is cool. Freethinking
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  Speaker 6: is cool. Human rights are cool. Except for all that
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  Speaker 6: anti king talk. King is still we still have to
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  Speaker 6: do the aristocracy thing. But freedom of expression, as long
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  Speaker 6: as you like me, you can be you can have
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  Speaker 6: freedom of expression as long as you dont say anything
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  Speaker 6: against me. And he starts bringing in scholars, scientists, He
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  Speaker 6: builds universities, hospitals. He reforms the civil law to make
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  Speaker 6: it a little bit less repressive. He abolishes slavery and
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  Speaker 6: serfdom in the Austro Hungarian Empire.
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  Speaker 3: The Holy Roman Empiers sound like great.
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  Speaker 2: Also super forward thinking, yes, contrast of places like the
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  Speaker 2: Ottoman Empire, which was super down.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: He passes religious equality law and even includes the Jews
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  Speaker 6: and Muslims in it.
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  Speaker 5: They're allowed. You're allowed to be Jewish and Muslim in
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  Speaker 5: the Holy Roman Empire.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 6: He's a patron of the arts and music. Mozart and
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  Speaker 6: Beethoven like come to his court. He actually had hires
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  Speaker 6: Mozart to be his chamber composer, which had been like
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  Speaker 6: a vacant spot for a long time. And he's like, oh, Mozart,
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  Speaker 6: come on, you can be my chamber of courser I'll
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  Speaker 6: pay you to make music for my parades, and so
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  Speaker 6: Mozart hated this. He would have to make make these
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  Speaker 6: like little marches for him to appear at the at
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  Speaker 6: these events, but it was a paycheck and he had
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  Speaker 6: to get paid, right, and so okay, all this is great,
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  Speaker 6: except he is the Holy Roman Empire, and the Pope
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  Speaker 6: doesn't like a lot of this stuff that's happening. Isn't
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  Speaker 6: really down with all of this stuff in seventeen forty one,
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  Speaker 6: and he's got a lot of Catholic subjects. So there's
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  Speaker 6: a little bit of argument among his people as to
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  Speaker 6: whether these reforms are good or bad. We see this
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  Speaker 6: from time to time that countries can't agree on the
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  Speaker 6: direction the country should be taking. Sure, okay, so all
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  Speaker 6: that's going okay at home, but he's decided at some point,
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: like he's built up his kingdom, he's got this enlightened
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: despot thing going on, but he wants to kind of
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: get involved with foreign policy. And so his first attempt
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: at that is we were talking about funny wars is
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: the Kettle War of seventeen eighty four. And I'm mentioning
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: this only because it's weird.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: No, my imagination is already running wild what could the
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Kettle War have been all about?
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: So one of these Catholic groups in the Holy Roman
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: Empire that don't like his reforms are what's referred to
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: at the time as the Austrian Netherlands, but today it's
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: basically Belgium more or less equates to Belgium like the
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: Low Country. Yeah, yeah, the Austrian Netherlands sounds like somewhere
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: that Sauron would live though, you know what I mean. Oh,
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: he is from the Austrian Netherlands, the nether realm of Austria,
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: and so he anyway, so he.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Is another realm of Mortal Kombat thing I think it is.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: It's the name of the company, the Menzels, so I
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: think maybe it's outworld, but they do refer to the
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: nether Realms.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: There are definitely nether Realms in various peaces of fantasy
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: and sids.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Fiction, dungeons and dragons, and also, you know, just for
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: all our lists from the Netherlands. It's a weird name
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: in English, just.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: Weird that it's the Netherlands, but it's also Holland and
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: you're the Dutch. That's weird, right. Also your national colors orange.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: But it doesn't appear on your flag. That's weird too.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: That's also weird. Also while we're in that area of
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: the world, just going to walk down the street for
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: this one, Thank you Denmark for Legos. That was tight,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: good move.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: No, I don't know.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Then you say something about like there's more Lego pieces
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: now in existence than some other things.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of There.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Are more Lego mini figures or minifigs for fellow nerds
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: than there are human beings alive.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: What is that true?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that is true. It's like podcasts true, but
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: it is true. Sam Ben weird derailing you?
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: No, No, I'm derailing myself.
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about the seventeen eighty four Kettle War when
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: we're supposed to talking about the nineteen seventeen.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Let's let's spin it out though. What's the what's the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: It helps.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: To know the background on Joseph the Second is going
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: to help to understand what happens at Karen Sevi's So okay,
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: So Joseph the Second he wants to at home, things
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: are going okay. All of the people in the cities
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: are down with his stuff. A lot of the people
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: who are a little bit less enlightened, affected by the Enlightenment.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: They're not down with what he's doing. So there's there's
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: division within the Austro Hungarian Empire, and one of the
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: regions that is divided is this Austrian Netherlands, which, like
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: I said, is basically Belgium. The Austrian Netherlands borders actual Netherlands,
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: which is Protestant at the time, and they are they
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: get grumpy and they they blockade the Belgian ports to
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: deny Joseph and his ship's access to the North Sea.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: So he says, okay, I'm gonna send I'm gonna declare
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: war if you don't release this blockade. So he sends
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: three warships to threaten the block and these three warships
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: go out, one Dutch warship approaches them. And you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: one thing about the Dutch at this time is they're awesome.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: Their navy's awesome, right, and the Austro Hungarian Empire is
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: not known for having an awesome navy. But the Dutch
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: navy is very experienced and they're very powerful at this
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: time period. And the Dutch navy and the sailors, you know,
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: they didn't have a lot of guys and a lot
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: of ships but what they had was a very high
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: quality anyway. So there's one Dutch ship sails out to
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: these three Austro Hungarian ships, and the Austro Hungarians are like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: if you don't release the blockade, will fire on you
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: and declare war, and the Dutch shoot at them. They
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: shoot one shot, one warning shot that flies over and
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: hits a tea kettle on one of the Austro Hungarian ships.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: This is the story, is that they fire one shot
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: and it knocks the tea kettle off of the Austro
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: Hungarian ship. It's the flagship. It's carrying Joseph's flag, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: it immediately surrenders.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: A peace treaty is then signed. Shortly thereafter. The war
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: lasted for one gunshot.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: Wow, Postro Hungarian flagship says, stop the blockade, the shooting
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: this tea kettle, and I like to picture that like
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: they were aiming for it. You know, it might have
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: been an accident, but I was just like like some
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: sniper around, you know, the teakett accountants like, actually, never mind,
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: I surrender.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: That's amazing marchmanship, you know. At that point, I love
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: the idea too, in sort of the the badass ridiculous
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: history cinematic universe. I love the idea of you know,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: an officer class type dude lifting up you know, the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: kettle or something. Yeah, they getting the shot through it
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: and then say no, this is not cool. Other stuff
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I want to have my tea.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, seeing some like fast cuts of like a like
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: a Kay Richie kind of thing of like.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very looney tuns.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: Yes, And so they surrender. They sign a peace treaty
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: that doesn't work out too well. The Austrian Netherlands is
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: still upset because they don't like that the Pope is
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: disagreeing with the emperor, and so Joseph the second is
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: part of that peace treaty, is like, hey, how about this,
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: you guys. The Dutch are holding Bavaria, which is in
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: southern Germany and borders Austria, and I'm holding the Austrian Netherlands,
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: which is Belgium in borders. Like we have these disconnected empires, right,
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: And he's like, how about I trade you the Austrian
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: Netherlands for Bavaria.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Seems fair?
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And the Dutch You're like, no, that's weird. Why
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: would we super odd?
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: And everybody at the time writing about it is like,
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: it's it's super weird that he offered to just trade
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: regions with people with the dunge.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: They said, no, we have to be clear, just just
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: to get it out there been Uh, this is not
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: a period in history where in the public, the people
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: who lived in those areas would get a survey or
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: a poll. No, no, okay.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: No, these are this is the business of Kings.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: There we go. That's what Nola and I refer to
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: it as. Whenever we're making up reasons to hang outside
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: of work and we don't want to explain ourselves. You know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: my girlfriend's like, where are you guys going, I always say,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: it's the business of Kings business strategized.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: We got to have a rap sessh to figure out
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: our plan for world domination.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like our king stuff business of Kings. Save the receipts,
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: write them off on your taxes.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: King moves, King moves hashtag. But so okay, So this
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: is not just a weird flex for the people the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: common in the region. This is a weird flex for
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: all international observers.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: Yes, everybody thinks it's weird that he made this offer
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: because gets out or it gets out that he offered
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: this trade and it's weird. So okay, foreign policy is
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: not going well for him. He travels around, he goes
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: to he goes to Paris and Rome in Moscow and
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: he tries to make nice with the Pope. It doesn't
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: work out, Okay, So he's Holland doesn't like him. He
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: borders Prussia and they've just had these two big wars
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: with Prussia. Frederick the greats there. They had the War
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: of Uster in succession, they had the Seven Years War.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: Prussia is powerful. Prussia is like basically like the heart
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: of present day Germany. They're tough guys, they're great, great soldiers,
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: and their share of border and they want to take
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: some land from Austria. So he's got that problem too. Okay,
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: So you know what he wants to Joseph the Second
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: wants to be remembered as this great ruler and yes,
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: I've made these great changes at home, but I need
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: to do some big foreign policy thing in order to
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: be remembered as this great military mind and diplomat and
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: the greatest king ever.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, my legacy. Yes he's thinking about.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: Yes, he's he's inheriting from his mother, who was a
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: very powerful and very well respected woman in Europe, and
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: he wants he's got big shoes to fill, and he
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: wants to do some great things to be remembered. Okay,
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: so Holland and Pussa aren't working out, so he makes
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: it an alliance with Russia, who had been Austria's friend
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: during the Seven Years War. And Russia at the time
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: is ruled by Catherine the Great, who is the second
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: of the powerful, badass women that we were going to
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: talk about in the episode today. She is super tough
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: Lady Catherine the Great is extremely tough, and she was
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: born in Germany. She probably reminds him of his mom, honestly,
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: if I had to guess, But she is like she's
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: meeting allies because, like you said, the Ottoman Empire borders
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: him to the east and they border Russia, and Russia
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: wants those warm water ports in Crimea and the Mediterranean
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: and the Black Sea, and so they want to go
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: to war with the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire at
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: this time spans most of the Islamic world, huge amount
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: of land, huge number of people. But by this point
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: seventeen forties, you know, it's they've got the Sultans they've
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: got they've got money, they've got troops, but there's this
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: the feeling that things are maybe starting to crumble a
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: little bit and maybe there's some weakness there.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: They're getting some they're getting they're losing some technological progress.
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, the Enlightenment is coming and they there's yeah,
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: there's a lot of technological development happening in Europe that
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: isn't being shared, Like military technology is happening in Europe
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: that is not being shared with the Turks. And so
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: they're starting to feel like maybe we can take some
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: land from these guys. Catherine R Great has built up
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: Russia to this very powerful military, and she wants to
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: she wants to take lands from the Ottomans and so,
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: and this whole time period is all very like I
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: always think of like siev Tu or something, you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: like we just make life.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I gotta take just came up on our recent conversation.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just like I think it's one town because it's
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: it's worth a lot of money. I went to city.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: For the record. I still haven't cracked it yet, yeah,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: but it's on my list.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have a great time, though. Are you playing
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Civilization seven yet? Ben?
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: No, I haven't had a lot of time for games recently.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: It's one of those ones where like I, uh, you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: if I I got to finish this project I'm working
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: on and then I can start a new game.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: But like if I.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Started the door, if you open the door.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: I get sucked in. I like it too much, you.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Know, I love I think what we're saying here is
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: we we love the comparison because there is a great
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: deal of geopolitical calculation here, right. Russia then, as now
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: honestly is eternally searching for a warm water porch. So
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: it makes sense that these rulers would be pushing on
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the Ottomans if they can't.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: Yes, so great, this all works out great for Joseph.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: He signs the peace treaty. He goes and visits Catherine
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: in Moscow. A couple of times they sign a peace
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: treaty or an alliance, and as part of that alliance,
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: Catherine takes the Crimea for Russia cough cough, and they
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: partitioned Poland up between the between Russia and Austrian Hungary.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: Because that's what happens to Poland for the next couple
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: hundred years. In this time of time, Okay, that's great,
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: except and you know, the Turks are even better. It's
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: even better to be fighting the Turks than it is
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: to be fighting the Prussians and the Dutch, because the
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: Turks are Muslims and their enemies, and we're not fighting
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: other Christian kingdoms and causing problems with the Pope and
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: all of this stuff. So it's totally cool. Austrians have
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: been fighting the Turks since like the fifteen hundreds. You know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: uh Suliman the Magnificent besieged Vienna at one point in
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: the sixteen eighties, you know, so they're they're they're great enemies,
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: and it'll be awesome to have a war with them.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: It'll really be how Emperor.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Joseph the Second is going to make his name as
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: a military genie. He is going to march east from
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: uh He's made his plan with Catherine. She's going to
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: march south from Russia. He's going to march east. At
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: this time, the Turks control most of Romania and you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: the former Yugoslavia. They can control a lot of the Balkans,
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: and there are elements from the Balkans that are like
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: you've got a Serbian regiment in the Austro Hungarian Empire.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: That's like, hey, we'll we'll fight.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: Let's go get Belgrade back because Serbian people are there
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: and the Turks rule it and they're making them all
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: be Muslim and they're doing bad stuff. So like let's
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: let's free our homelands, and so great, this big army
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: is assembled. This call goes out and it's Austrians and
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: it's Hungarians, which do not share language, but they are
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: part of the same empire. You've got Germans from the
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: various German principalities that are part of the Austro Hungarian Empire.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: At this time.
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: You've got Italians, like Northern Italy, there's some Northern Italy
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: happening in the Austro Hungarian Empire. And then you've got
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: these guys that are looking to reclaim their lands.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: You've got Romanians, You've got.
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: Croats, Bosnians, and Serbians all working together, and so everybody
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: is kind of united.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: Under like let's get the Turks.
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: Great, this seems good, all right, So they also you
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: kind of have to keep up appearances at this time period.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: So the plan is that Russia and Austria will just
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: f with the Turks until they get mad and attack,
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: and then they can say, look, we were attacked, so
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: they do that.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: What's there provoked. Our fancy word for that is what
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: bellis causi or something like that.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, so you and see if it's the equivalent
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: of like you open a you open diplomatic relations with
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: a foreign king and then you like demand three of
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: his cities for nothing, and then he gets mad and
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: Claire's war on you.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: That's basically what happens here.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: And you're like, whoa, these guys came to us.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't do anything.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: They marched into Mayorland first. So the Turks attack the Russians,
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: and then Austria Hungary's allies with the Russians, so they
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: got to attack.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: That's why we call it Department of Defense exactly.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: We're under attack.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: Okay, So seventeen eighty seven war is declared between Austria
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: Hungary and Russia on one side and then the Turks
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: on the other side. Now Joseph has this big army
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: and he's about to march them out into battle with
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: the Turks. And the Turks they have a lot of guys,
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: you know, they have a big army. They're extremely powerful. Still,
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: so when he assembles this big army and marches them
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: to the border with the Turks, Frederick the Great marches
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: a huge army to his border on the western side
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: of Austria Hungary, and all of these Catholic people from
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: his kingdom that don't agree with him, they start getting
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: a little bit more organized in a rebellion or a
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: revolt type of situation, and they say, oh, Frederick, come
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: help us.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: And so now he's got a problem.
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: March is a huge army to his border, and he's
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: got to go back and march them back to these
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: cities to put down these rebellions, or to at least
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: discourage these rebellions and discourage Frederick. So he doesn't actually
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: get marching until a couple months after he wanted to,
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: because he's got to go back and deal with the
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: Austrian Netherlands and the unrest and the Prussians, and the
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: Prussians keep talking to the Turks and they're like, maybe
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: we should be allies because I actually don't want Austria
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: Hungary to take them take your lands either, I like
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: for everyone.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Because we're an audio podcast, I want to point out, then, uh,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: you you stroke your chin in the perfect way people
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: would conspire and then you know maybe these so there,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: so we see this, we see internal descent, yes, right,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: we see internal chaos. We see again the problem of
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: logistics because every I almost a monster. Every army marches
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: on its stomach. Right, So, yes, we're losing, uh, the
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: equivalent of millions of dollars losing time.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: We're losing the morale. You're losing people.
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: You're losing people are deserting, right, and you have this
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: is all the kind of paint the picture of you
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: have this huge.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: Army that is not homogeneous.
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: It is made up of all different people with all
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: different beliefs, who have different languages everything. We've got this
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: huge army. It's ready to fight the Turks. They're united
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: in that we're gonna fight the Turks, but they don't
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: agree with each other. And so in the context of
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: a friendly fire incident, that's an important piece to set up.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I feel like, oh good call.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, although it's like there's nothing like a
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: common animey to bring folks together, but in this case
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: it was. There were additional complications for sure.
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: Yes, okay, So Joseph the second marches out and he
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: declares like I am a military genius.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: I am in charge of the army.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna ride out by myself, the enlightened, desperate at
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: the front of the group.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: Mozart, you're coming with me? No, not really.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I love it when they ride out in the battle
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: like that, thinking they're truly like invincible. Like just those
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: moments of Hubris just always give me a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of shine freud. There's nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 6: I was reading one account of it, though, and I
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  Speaker 6: feel kind of like I was reading it and I
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  Speaker 6: was like, yeah, and he wasn't a military genius, and
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  Speaker 6: he wasn't this, and he was like old and blah
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: blah blah, and I was like, looked it up and
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  Speaker 6: he was like forty seven. And as we were recording
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  Speaker 6: for the day, as we're recording, today is the day
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  Speaker 6: of the recording. Today's my forty fifth birthday. No way, really, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: But now you have never strolled out onto a theatre
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  Speaker 2: of combat and, in a burst of humility, declared yourself
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  Speaker 2: a military genius.
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  Speaker 6: I suppose that's true. It is a little old to
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  Speaker 6: start your military career. I feel like age are like
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: generals and colonels and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Look man retired, ye twenty years right.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: We practice we practice positive aggressive validation on this show.
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  Speaker 5: So, however, it would be weird if I was like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm in charge of the army, now follow me. I'm
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  Speaker 5: a little after that.
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  Speaker 2: I think we would have to have Yeah, yeah, we be,
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  Speaker 2: we be hanging out. We would We might not be
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  Speaker 2: on the front lines with you, Ben, but Max, Nole
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  Speaker 2: and I would be, you know, on the scene subscribing.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I'm always on the lookover someone to blindly follow into battle.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: You know, it's just a bucket list item of mine.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: So maybe you can make that happen.
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  Speaker 5: Well, let's see how that turns out.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Before that, let's get a parable and a precedent. Hold
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: the phone, or rather hold the hussar. This turned out
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: to be a ongoing series, a two part series. Nol.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I'm just having a great time. It's not just because
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Ben is named Ben.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: That guy.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: This guy's amazing.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really love the Bens on this series. The
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: guys are killing.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, we're killing it as a group effort.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: We've got the We've got the Noles, We've got the Maxes.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Speaking of well, please killing it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: The term with no friendly fire here, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Oh, We're I like that.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: That's something we referenced on Daily's Eeitgeist earlier. We're exploring
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: it together and we couldn't do it without the help
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: of our amazing team, starting with our super producer mister
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Max Williams.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Ooh, Max Williams. Max voised it on his own Petard Williams.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Max the Hussah Williams shout out also to his biological
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: brother who is back in town, our bespoke composer Alex.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Williams Bespoke Indeed Us thanks to Chris Frasciotis and He's
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Jeff Coates here and Spira, Jonathan Strickland, The quiz Or A. J. Bahamas,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Jacob's The Puzzler and Ben Big Thanks to.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: You, man. I love I love hanging out with AJ
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Bahamas and I love that We're never gonna explain that nickname.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Check out The Puzzler. Also check out our Rude Dudes
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: of Ridiculous Crime and Noel. Thanks to you. I can't
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: wait to hear part two.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see next time, folks. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,
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  Speaker 4: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: to your favorite shows.