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The Late Debate | 5 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, gentle, welcome to the Wait to Play.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. I'm James Macpherson with Freileitch and
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Bond. Here's what's coming up tonight. Just when you
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  Speaker 2: thought it couldn't get worse for Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, well
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  Speaker 2: it does. The latest batch of Epstein files seems to
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  Speaker 2: confirm that photo of Andrew with his arms around Virginia Guffrey,
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  Speaker 2: who accused him of sexual abuse. Well it looks like
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  Speaker 2: it's real. The polarization of our children continues, with Australian
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  Speaker 2: school teachers encouraging each other to push aboriginal rights issues
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  Speaker 2: in the classroom, and the Orchest Defense Pact could at sync.
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  Speaker 2: Australia's noncommittal attitude over defending Taiwan has US politicians rethinking
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  Speaker 2: the multimillion dollar submarine deal. We'll get to all of
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  Speaker 2: that and more shortly, but first, next time you get
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  Speaker 2: your sausage from Bunnings, be aware you're probably being filmed.
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  Speaker 2: The hardware giant has one permission to use facial recognition
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  Speaker 2: technology to identify problem customers. They trialed the technology a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, only to run a foul of
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  Speaker 2: privacy laws After they were found not to have given
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  Speaker 2: people adequate notice, but in a ruling yesterday, the Administrative
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  Speaker 2: Review Tribunal found Bunnings was entitled to use facial recognition
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  Speaker 2: technology quote for the limited purpose of combating very significant
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  Speaker 2: retail crime and protecting their staff and customers from violence,
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  Speaker 2: abuse and intimidation within its stores. The tribunal ruled that
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  Speaker 2: on balance, the impact on privacy was not disproportionate when
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  Speaker 2: considered against the benefits of staff and customer safety. So,
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Bond, are you still going to bias sausage from
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  Speaker 2: Bunnings or has this just ruined it for you?
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  Speaker 1: I fear I will because I love Bunnings. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like a wonderland, isn't it. It's the equivalent
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  Speaker 1: of as a kid going to the playground going to
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  Speaker 1: Bunnings as an adult. I assume some women have the
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  Speaker 1: same experience, but I think particularly.
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  Speaker 2: Women, they probably are or chemist warehouse.
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  Speaker 1: Going to Bunnings is just like it's a happy place.
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  Speaker 1: All the stuff in there. You walk in there, you
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  Speaker 1: walk out with far too much stuff that you really
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  Speaker 1: don't need, and walk around the garden. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: And a sausage, I'll tell you what on a Saturday morning,
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  Speaker 1: when you've had a few too many sherbets on a
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  Speaker 1: Friday night, the Bunnings Sausage Sizzle is just the ticket
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  Speaker 1: to cure your hangover. But I am worried about the
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  Speaker 1: facial recognition. I kind of understand if it is limited
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  Speaker 1: purely to weeding out people who've been banned from the store,
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  Speaker 1: and they say that the images of those who are
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  Speaker 1: not on the list are immediately deleted. But we're just
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  Speaker 1: kind of hoping that's actually what happens, right, and we
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  Speaker 1: have seen we know that this facial recognition technology, often
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  Speaker 1: peered up with AI, has been used around the world,
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  Speaker 1: including in London or I think it was on the Tube.
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  Speaker 1: They were trialing it to monitor the emotions of people
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  Speaker 1: who were getting on trains and they could then use
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  Speaker 1: that data to basically curate advert advertising that they would
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  Speaker 1: show at certain times of day. If people were happier,
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  Speaker 1: they could show certain ads, if they were sad, they
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  Speaker 1: would show certain ads, et cetera, et cetera. So this
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  Speaker 1: is already going on, it's being tested worldwide. There is
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  Speaker 1: obviously a great commercial basis in doing so, so Bunnings
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  Speaker 1: might say, now, yeah, we're only doing it to stop
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  Speaker 1: these thieves coming into the shop, but you wouldn't know
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  Speaker 1: what they would do. You don't know if they're deleting
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  Speaker 1: those images or whether they're keeping them, and if they
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  Speaker 1: do happen to keep them even if it is against
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  Speaker 1: the rules for them currently to do so, if there
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  Speaker 1: were to be a crime committed, I mean police would
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  Speaker 1: go around knocking on doors to places like Bunnings and saying, well,
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  Speaker 1: we want you to hand over a photo of every
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  Speaker 1: face of every person who's ever walked into your shop.
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  Speaker 1: Very quickly becomes big brother. A static CCTV camera is
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  Speaker 1: a different kettle of fish, but I really fear where
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  Speaker 1: the facial recognition, particularly paired up with AI, can all.
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  Speaker 3: But with a static CCTV camera, they often keep the
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  Speaker 3: footage on their servers for weeks, whereas with this it's
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  Speaker 3: four point four milliseconds that your photo is kept on
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  Speaker 3: the server floor before it's deleted if there's no match
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  Speaker 3: found with one of their serious repeat offenders. So actually,
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  Speaker 3: if you're concerned about privacy, this is objectively better for
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  Speaker 3: your privacy and the tribunal acknowledge.
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  Speaker 1: We're also keeping the CCTV footage surely, because they would
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  Speaker 1: use that in the case of someone committing a separate
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  Speaker 1: crhyme if you're not.
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  Speaker 3: On the list, but they're not keeping the scanned image
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  Speaker 3: of your face. And I also think, yes, there are
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  Speaker 3: other implications for this that are being used around the world,
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  Speaker 3: but here we do have a Privacy commissioner who in
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  Speaker 3: this case was very draconian and was very keen to,
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  Speaker 3: i mean, spend three years in court with Bunnings to
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  Speaker 3: try and make sure that this facial technology was blocked.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think we can have any I don't
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  Speaker 3: think we should doubt that they will follow through with
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  Speaker 3: what they're committing to, which is deleting the images, because
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  Speaker 3: we do have a fairly good amount of oversight of
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  Speaker 3: this sort of stuff. And I think for businesses who
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  Speaker 3: are struggling with a crime crisis, who are losing millions
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  Speaker 3: of dollars of revenue to theft, whose staff get abused,
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  Speaker 3: requiring work as compensation on all sorts of other costs,
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  Speaker 3: this is a sensible, measured approach that is the future.
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  Speaker 2: The issue Bunnings had was that sixty six percent of
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  Speaker 2: store theft was being committed by a very small number
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  Speaker 2: of people, repeatedly, so the facial facial recognition technology would
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  Speaker 2: find those people that could immediately take action. Would you
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  Speaker 2: pay more for your sausage and all the other things
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  Speaker 2: you love at Bunnings if instead of having this technology
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  Speaker 2: more expensive, would be just put security guards everywhere? That's
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  Speaker 2: the other option. Of course, you're going to have to
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  Speaker 2: pay for it with your Your sausage is going to
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  Speaker 2: be five dollars instead of one, Your wheelbarrow is going
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  Speaker 2: to be twice the cost. Would you do that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's just the price of doing businesess,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean, if it's another twenty cents, it's
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  Speaker 1: another twenty cents that that's what it is. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to stop going to Bunnings because they
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  Speaker 1: put up the price of everything for twenty cents? Are you?
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think it actually solves the root of
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  Speaker 1: the problem, because even if you have the facial recognition technology,
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  Speaker 1: even if you have a million security guards monitoring every
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  Speaker 1: part of the store, if someone decides to thieve something
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  Speaker 1: from the store, whether or not they are caught and prosecuted,
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  Speaker 1: is it the mercy of the police. You can have
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  Speaker 1: all the footage in the world, and all the security
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  Speaker 1: guards in the world, and all the facial recognition in
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  Speaker 1: the world, but you actually need the law enforcement to
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  Speaker 1: come out and respond to that theft in order for
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  Speaker 1: anything to happen. So it does it change a great
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  Speaker 1: deal in terms of catching people, I don't think it
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  Speaker 1: probably does, might give them a level of peace of mind,
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  Speaker 1: but not sure it really changes.
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  Speaker 3: Bunnings can ban people from their stores without them having
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  Speaker 3: a criminal conviction, so I'm sure most people who are
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  Speaker 3: on this list of banned customers haven't actually been charged,
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  Speaker 3: and that's probably exactly right, the fault of the justice system.
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  Speaker 3: They should be But this is the cost of the
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  Speaker 3: crime crisis. When you can't rely on the courts to
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  Speaker 3: lock offenders up, businesses have to take matters into their
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  Speaker 3: own hands. And it's interesting. The Information Commissioner actually suggested
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  Speaker 3: an alternative, which is that you pay someone to manually
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  Speaker 3: look through CCTV cameras twenty four to seven and compare
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  Speaker 3: that to the repeat offenders.
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  Speaker 4: And that is just not practical.
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  Speaker 2: It's not practical at all.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I just imagine being on that list
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  Speaker 1: of people banned from Bunnings. That would be worse than prison.
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  Speaker 1: Worse than prison, not being able to go to Bunnings.
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  Speaker 1: While we're talking about sausages in this case, a silly sausage.
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  Speaker 1: Billy Irish or whatever her name is Irish so I
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  Speaker 1: think is the name. You would have seen her the
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  Speaker 1: other day at the Grammys making crazy comments about stolen land.
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  Speaker 1: No one is illegal on stolen land. Oh, no one's illegal.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, for goodness sake, move out of your house please.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that in just a moment. But her brother,
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  Speaker 1: who was standing next to her there and worked with
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  Speaker 1: her on all of her music, has rushed to her defense.
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  Speaker 1: Phineas is his name? What sort of name is Phineas? Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: he's rushed to her defense and posted on threads, which
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  Speaker 1: is like Meta's answer to X that he is quote
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  Speaker 1: seeing a lot of very powerful old white men outraged
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  Speaker 1: about what my twenty four year old sister said during
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  Speaker 1: her acceptance speech. We can literally see your name in
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  Speaker 1: the Epstein files. What that's got to do with it?
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  Speaker 1: I don't really know. A couple of interesting things he
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  Speaker 1: won the point about a very powerful old white men,
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  Speaker 1: which is him basically setting it up as she was
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  Speaker 1: so brave to get up on stage and say these things.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whether he's deaf, and it might be
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  Speaker 1: a problem in terms of creating music. If you're deaf,
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  Speaker 1: he might want to go and get a hearing test.
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  Speaker 1: But everyone almost in that audience was clapping and applauding
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  Speaker 1: and cheering when she said that no one is illegal
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  Speaker 1: on stolen land. So I don't think it was a
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  Speaker 1: great little bravery involved in her and everyone else who
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  Speaker 1: got up on that stage saying what they said, because
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  Speaker 1: they're basically just saying what the establishment says. You can say,
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  Speaker 1: these allegedly very powerful old white men are the ones
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  Speaker 1: who are going against the establishment these days. So there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing brave, stunning or whatever about what she said. He
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  Speaker 1: then has to point out that she's twenty four. Again,
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  Speaker 1: what's that got to do with it? You know, they're
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  Speaker 1: old and she's twenty four, and therefore that that invalidates
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  Speaker 1: what they're saying or makes what she says more valid.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what the relevance of that is.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he could have pointed out any I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, my twenty four year old sister who has
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  Speaker 1: brunette hair. I mean, it is just as pertinent to
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  Speaker 1: the story as the fact she's twenty four and this
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  Speaker 1: issue of the stolen land which she lives on, has
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  Speaker 1: a multi million dollar house on this stolen land, and
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  Speaker 1: you would think the virtue signaling is meant to be great.
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  Speaker 1: She's saying, Oh, the native tribes and whatever, they deserve
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  Speaker 1: more recognition. Well, the tribe whose land she lives on
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  Speaker 1: has said you didn't go far enough, miss Eilish. They
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  Speaker 1: are not happy with what she said. This is the
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  Speaker 1: Tongva tribe put out a statement. Spokeswoman of said Eilish
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  Speaker 1: has not contacted our tribe directly regarding her property. We
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  Speaker 1: do value the instance when public figures provide visibility to
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  Speaker 1: the true history of this country. It is our hope
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  Speaker 1: that in future discussions, the tribe can explicitly be referenced
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  Speaker 1: to ensure the public understands that the Greater Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: Basin remains Gabrielino Tongva territory. Oh, I mean, you've got
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  Speaker 1: to try harder next time, Billy. If you want a
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  Speaker 1: virtue signal, you have to do it properly. I love
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  Speaker 1: how the lift always just eat each other. App it's
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  Speaker 1: never good enough. You're never good enough for the Left.
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  Speaker 1: So why bother in the first place, and gb news.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they thought they'd better go and check out.
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  Speaker 1: She's on the stolen land. I mean, you've got a
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  Speaker 1: vacated rap. So they sent ben Leo around to knock
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  Speaker 1: on the door and encourage her to hand her land
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  Speaker 1: over to the Tongueva tri But it went about as
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  Speaker 1: well as you would expect.
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  Speaker 5: First of all, isn't it ironic massive gates keeping people out?
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  Speaker 5: I thought Billy didn't believe in borders. Let us send please, Billy.
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  Speaker 5: We are here because this is stolen land, Billy, and
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  Speaker 5: we think we should be given access to your quite
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  Speaker 5: lovely three million dollar mansion. And such is Billy's concern
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  Speaker 5: for security and privacy. It's surrounded by pretty decent security fencing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, really, why wouldn't she let them in take
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  Speaker 1: the fences down, Billy? You know, as her brother says,
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  Speaker 1: all these old white men who were on their stolen
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  Speaker 1: land as well, surely they deserve to go and have
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  Speaker 1: a look in there.
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  Speaker 2: But isn't phineas white as well?
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  Speaker 1: So but he's not old, you see, they're young white.
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  Speaker 2: They're land owners claiming all the land is should be
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  Speaker 2: given back. They're white people. Bemoaning white people. But my
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  Speaker 2: favorite part of this prayer is he just at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day, he has no counter argument because
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  Speaker 2: what his sister said, all twenty four years of wisdom
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  Speaker 2: is indefensible. So he goes with Epstein. It's the new racist,
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  Speaker 2: it's the new homophobe. Just yell Epstein, and suddenly that
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  Speaker 2: absolves everything that's gone before.
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  Speaker 3: But even the idea, I mean, bring up her age
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  Speaker 3: is so absurd because you can be stupid at twenty four,
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  Speaker 3: you can also be stupid at sixty four. A stupid
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  Speaker 3: idea is a stupid idea. No one's going after Billie
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  Speaker 3: Eilish because she's young, but equally because she's young, she
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  Speaker 3: doesn't get a.
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  Speaker 4: Free pass to just say stuff. I mean, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: You've got a public platform, you're a multi million dollar
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  Speaker 3: recording artist, you're accepting an award at the Grammys, you
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  Speaker 3: are at the pinnacle of cultural power. Don't try to
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  Speaker 3: play the victim card. And at twenty four you should
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  Speaker 3: know better. The reason you're having to defend your sister
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  Speaker 3: on Threads or whatever platform it was is because she's
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  Speaker 3: getting eviscerated online because of how stupid it is.
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  Speaker 2: The other word that he used, which I thought was telling,
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  Speaker 2: was these old white men outraged about what No one's
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  Speaker 2: outraged at what she said.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone just sts laughing.
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  Speaker 1: It was ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's mocking her and ridiculing her. No one's angry or upset.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's upset and now outraged, but no one
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  Speaker 2: else is outraged. Everyone else is just amused. You could
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  Speaker 2: be so dumb.
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  Speaker 3: He's just upset the people are calling her out. That's
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  Speaker 3: the reality. He is upset that they have blown a
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  Speaker 3: massive hole in this absurd argument. But speaking of the
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  Speaker 3: Epstein files, the fallout continues, and now a bombshell email
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  Speaker 3: that was contained in the batch of files released by
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  Speaker 3: the Department of Justice shows some very interesting things, mainly
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  Speaker 3: that the disputed photo of Prince Andrew with Virginia Giuffrey
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  Speaker 3: seems to have been validated by Julaane Maxwell in an
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  Speaker 3: email she's sent to Jeffrey Epstein back in two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and fifteen. Now, you'll remember, before any of these files
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  Speaker 3: were released, Andrew always denied and said he had no
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  Speaker 3: recollection of that photo. In fact, he was him saying
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  Speaker 3: that on the record, I've.
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  Speaker 1: Seeing the photograph.
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  Speaker 4: How do you explain that I can't.
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  Speaker 6: Because I have no Again, I have absolutely no memory
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  Speaker 6: of that photograph ever being taken.
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  Speaker 3: He may not have any memory of it being taken,
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  Speaker 3: but that seems to directly contradict what has been put
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  Speaker 3: out in this new email from Julayne Maxwell. So not
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  Speaker 3: going well for him. The other person who is continuing
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  Speaker 3: to feel the heat over the Epstein fall at is
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister Kir Starmer. Questions are now being raised as
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  Speaker 3: to how much he knew about Mandalson's relationship with Epstein
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  Speaker 3: before he was appointed ambassador to the US. Quite spectacularly,
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  Speaker 3: he actually admitted in question time that he did know
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  Speaker 3: about their relationship, and he certainly knew that Mandelson spent
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  Speaker 3: time at Jeffrey Epstein's apartment while he was being imprisoned
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  Speaker 3: for child prostitution offenses. So it's not a great look
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  Speaker 3: for Starmer. His backbenches have now rebelled against him, and
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of files are going to be released around
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  Speaker 3: exactly what Kirs Starmer knew in the lead up to
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  Speaker 3: appointing him as ambassador, instead of that going through the
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  Speaker 3: Cabinet Office, which no doubt would be more controlled by
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  Speaker 3: Kirstarmer and his allies. It's going to be put through
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  Speaker 3: an independent committee of MPs. Starma is under incredible pressure.
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  Speaker 3: There are those speculation this could actually be the thing
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  Speaker 3: that brings down his Prime ministership. And here he was
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  Speaker 3: in question time in the UK today and his hands
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  Speaker 3: were literally shaking.
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  Speaker 6: Let me reassure the House the process for deciding what
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  Speaker 6: falls into those categories will not be a political process.
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  Speaker 6: It will be led by the Cabinet Secretary, supported by government.
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  Speaker 3: So he actually had to hold his hands down to
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  Speaker 3: stop them from shaking. James, it just seems like the
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  Speaker 3: fallout from this is continuing. I don't understand. We know
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  Speaker 3: Andrew is over. Of course he denies all these allegations,
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  Speaker 3: but the damage is done. But for Kirs Starma, I
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  Speaker 3: mean this is pretty damning.
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  Speaker 2: Well for Andrew, there was a damning photo of him
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  Speaker 2: driving away just the other day with a massive smile
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  Speaker 2: on his face and the public did not react well
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  Speaker 2: to that. The last thing he should be doing right
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  Speaker 2: now is smiling. As for Kiss Starmer, there was a
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  Speaker 2: poll done just the other day Caleb forty four percent
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  Speaker 2: of Brits say they are following the Epstein story, particularly
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  Speaker 2: with regards the man that Starmer appointed US ambassador. Forty
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  Speaker 2: four percent of Brits say they're following this story quote
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  Speaker 2: unquote closely, which is a high proportion of the population
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  Speaker 2: for a news story. Most news stories come and go,
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  Speaker 2: what is it today's newspapers, tomorrow's fish and chip wrapper.
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  Speaker 2: Not so with this story, people are really invested in it.
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  Speaker 2: And for pretty much half the population to say we
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  Speaker 2: are watching this closely does speak to the fact, as
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  Speaker 2: Free said, this could be the biggest problems kiss Starmer
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  Speaker 2: has got and he's had a few.
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  Speaker 1: Well, today's newspaper isn't even tomorrow's fish and chip rapper
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  Speaker 1: these days. It's one of the things that's gone wrong
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  Speaker 1: with the world, I think. But there was another poll
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  Speaker 1: that found not only were forty four percent of people
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  Speaker 1: watching this story closely, ninety five percent of people in
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  Speaker 1: Britain are at the very least aware of this story
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  Speaker 1: of Peter Mandelsson and his connection to Jeffrey Epstein. That is,
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  Speaker 1: you went down the street mask people like who's the
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  Speaker 1: prime Minister, not even ninety five percent of people would
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  Speaker 1: be able to give you the answer. So this is
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: cutting through terribly in Britain and of course around the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: world as well. Because how do you And the defense
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: they're now running is that Mandleson lied about just how
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: close his connections were to Jeffrey Epstein, But how do
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: you in the knowledge of the fact that he had
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: an association with Epstein, which is becoming clearer by the day,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: that the association was quite close. There's even photographs floating
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: around of Mandelssen getting around in Jeffrey Epstein merchandise back
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, which is when all of
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the real scandal was starting to begin. Right, So, in
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the knowledge that he had that association, knowing that the
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: US was pursuing this stuff with Epstein and it was
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: a high likelihood that the Epstein files would be released,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: he still thought he would appoint him. Now, Mandelsson has
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: got away with it for a very long time, and
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: he's floated around in politics for a very long time
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and was instrumental in the Bleair government, and you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: he's been able to get away with it for ages.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: But that time is up and Starma should have had
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the foresight to know that that time was coming, and
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: he didn't, and it will cost him the Prime ministership.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: And how delicious that the person who's basically leading this
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: rearguard action against Sakiir Starmer is his former deputy Angela Rayner.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Of course, was done over because of some dodgy tax filings.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's pure British politics. This stuff
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: happens in Britain better than basically anywhere else. But it
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: is just an awful case of bad political Now, of.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Course Starmer's excuse is that we we did due diligence
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: and he lied to us well, as if their due
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: diligence is asking people a few questions and expecting that
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: they will simply tell the truth with nothing to hide.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: But worse, as you said, they knew that he had
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: a close relationship with Epstein, and so they shouldn't have
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: taken his word for it that it's not that bad.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: They should have investigated.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Everyone knew he was at Epstein's apartment when Epstein was
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: in jail. I mean, to stay at somebody's house, you
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: have to have a reasonably close relationship. The other thing
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: that's also come out is while Peter Mandelson was Business Secretary,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: he sent market sensitive information to Epstein on multiple occasions.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Now that's potentially something that could land him in prison.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: So this scandal still has a long way to run.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: It sure does, and we'll be watching it closely now.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: A couple of months ago, a better half of last year,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I'm at a Sydney shopping center and oftentimes you see
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: groups of primary school kids being taken on an excursion
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: through a shopping center. Caught my eye was there were
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: four teachers with this group of about thirty primary school kids,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: and three of the four were wearing T shirts that
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: displayed indigenous slogans such as always was, always, will be, etc.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Etc.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I remember looking at it thinking that's really odd that
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: three out of four teachers would be wearing those, and
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: then I thought, is it some sort of indigenous school,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: But no, no, it was the local primary school. Well today
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: there's a story come out saying that many teachers are
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: encouraging one another on different teacher internet forums to politicize
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the classroom and to do things like wear T shirts
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: emblazoned with Indigenous land rights slogans, hold welcome to country
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: ceremonies in the classroom every day, and put up signs
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: around the classroom saying welcome to country. In Queensland, one
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: of the teachers was a little worried that this might
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: be inappropriate, and when suggested that maybe this wasn't such
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: a good idea, was absolutely abused by other school teachers
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: on the forum, to the point that she ended up resigning.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Someone else asked, is it okay to wear a shirt
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: that says we honor and respect Aboriginal and torres straight
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: on the people as custodians of country? Can I wear
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: that in my classroom? And she was abused for asking
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: the question because other teachers on the forum said, what
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: a ridiculous question. Of course, it's all right to wear
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: a shirt like that. And this went on and on,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: making the point that so many of our teaching staff
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: now in public and private sector schools see themselves not
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: there to educate children, but to spread propaganda and to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: inculcate them with leftist ideology. It's a worrying trend for parents,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: and I don't think parents realize quite the extent of it,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: and how much this is not just one per and
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: here in one person they're making individual decisions, but there's
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: a collective encouragement for people to do this sort of
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: thing in the classroom.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Well, and the idea that like there are schools where
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: they are every day doing an acknowledgment of country as
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: though that's just a standard thing you have to do,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: because of course, you know, it's rote learning. You drill
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it into the kids' heads, so you put it on
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the T shirt so they get used to the political messaging.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: There you have the acknowledgement of country every day, so
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you know, they go when they hear the stuff about
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: stolen land, they go, oh, yeah, that makes sense because
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I've got to acknowledge the other people that the land
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: actually belongs to. And on and on it goes. You know,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I've made this point before, sort of become a self
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: fulfilling prophecy where good teachers leave the system because they
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: find it so difficult to deal with all of this stuff,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and you know, they are impeded in trying to do
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: their jobs properly in so many cases, so they bugger off.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: And then the only people who are left are the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: ones who just want to be activists, as evidence by
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the fact the teachers are going into teacher forums online
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: where they meant to be able to openly discuss what
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: they do at schools and seek professional advice, and if
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: someone dares to say, oh, look, I'm not really sure
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: about all this stuff and they're down. You have to
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: adhere to the group think otherwise you will be held
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: out of the system, which clearly is what we see
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: all the time. And I'll say, as I said last
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Friday on the Bond Report five PM, makes you make
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: sure you're watching tomorrow. But I was talking to Leafanocchiaro,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, who last week
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: her government decreed that every school would have students singing
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the national anthem, both verses of the national anthem, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I said, we need to clone Leafanochiaro and put her
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: in charge of every state in this country. And it's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: examples like this that prove that point. Someone has to
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: do something to try and turn it around, and the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: only person I've seen actually make an effort to do
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: it is leafanochi aio well.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: On that thread, when the teacher asked about wearing the
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: T shirt acknowledging the Aboriginal owners, someone actually responded saying
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: recognizing Aboriginal culture isn't a political statement. It's a representation
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: of the diversity in our schools and should be celebrated
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: as such. So I thought that was really interesting because
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: they don't even see it as political. They just see
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: this as if you oppose my shirt, well you're uneducated
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: and you don't value inclusivity or the diversity.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Of our school.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: I wonder how much of that is for show, but
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I guess that's the point as well. Inclusivity has become
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: a political agenda.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: In keeping with the theme, another teacher wrote on the forum,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: it's only controversial for people who don't want to understand.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be great if you could go through life with
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: that sort of idea about anyone who disagrees with you, Well,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: you only disagree because you don't understand.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So if that's what they actually believe it, and that's
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: how they think they can win arguments because if you
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: disagree with me, you are wrong and you are evil,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And it allows them to just justify everything they think
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: in their minds because you couldn't possibly understand where I'm
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: coming from.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: That's my finiest motive.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's file yep. It's why these
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: people quite literally unmovable on You can't argue with them,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and there's almost no point arguing with them because they
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: will not have their minds change. They've made it up.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: That's it, there's no changing it. Let's talk about energy.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: You would be aware, of course that we're meant to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: be rolling out lots and lots of renewable power, particularly soul,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: but every time it comes around to shutting down one
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of these coal fired power stations, we have to keep
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: going because we don't have enough energy to make up
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: for it if we get rid of the coal. So
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: state governments, particularly in Victoria, lay Yang and in New
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: South Wales are rearing. State governments have been propping these
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: things things up, or at least offering to prop them up.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: But what curious little story today that Origin Energy, which
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: operates a rearing in New South Wales which provides a
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: large chunk of New South Wales power, they've actually turned
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: down the option to take government support this year. They
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: say they don't need taxpayer support because the power station
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: is in and of itself profitable. So the deal is
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: that if they think they're going to run it a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: loss and so they would effectively not want to keep
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: it open, they can invoke a deal with the state
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: government where the government underwrites the operation and in exchange
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: for that, the state government would then get a share
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: of the money that is made from a airing, but
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Origin says we don't need to do that. We can
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: actually stand on our own two legs, which is rather
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: curious because I thought that the coal was unviable, it
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: was the most expensive form of energy, that no one
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: wanted to buy it anymore, that we had abundant renewable
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: energy available in the system. Why would it be that
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, this aging coal fired power infrastructure
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that no one wants is still a profitable business.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It's awkward for the Labor state government because they're boasting
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: that c we're able to kick the coal going and
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: it's not costing taxpayers anything, which then points to the
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: fact that why isn't it costing taxpayers anything because it's
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: profitable and it been cold for years that it's not
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: so again, I think the public are seeing through this
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: whole green energy charade. Why don't we just get power
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: through coal like we used to, and we wouldn't have
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: half the problems we have.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: So now you have a really peculiar scenario where the
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: country's largest coal fire power plant, despite ten years of
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: being told the coal is unprofitable, coal needs to shut
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: down Iraing, bringing forwards its shut down date by seven years,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: they are now running profitably without any taxpayer support.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: But all the renewable.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Energy zones, the household batteries, the rooftop solar, that's all
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: getting billions of dollars in taxpayer support. Yet we're told
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: that that's going to be the thing that brings down
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: energy prices. Well, if it was going to bring down
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: energy prices, why don't you remove the subsidies for everyone
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: across the board. No subsidies to coal, no subsidies to
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: renewables either, and then let's see what is truly the
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: most profitable. Because this is this story. I love this
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: so much. It has blown a hole in the entire narrative.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Well, it would seem to suggest a reliance on coal
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: at times when we really need power, because col fight
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: power stations traditionally make the most money at times with
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: this high demand, and they really have to pick up
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the slack for the rest of the system that is
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: not producing enough energy. So if coal flight powerstations, after
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: years of being told that they're basically unviable, are now
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: able to run into profit, surely that suggests that more
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and more they're having to come in and fill the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: gap when people want to turn on the lights and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: run their water systems and whatever else, because we don't
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: have the renewable energy in the system that we've supposedly
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: been paying for for decades to get up and running.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: It's simply not there, exactly right.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Well, let's move on and talk about and defense, something
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: that's also very much in the national interest. A new
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: report by the US Congressional Research Office seems to suggest,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: or perhaps warn US members of Congress that they could
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: reconsider giving Australia nuclear powered submarines so that the US
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: will have those submarines in the event of a conflict
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: with Taiwan. The report into ORCAS said Australia's government made
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: no promises to the United States that Australia would support
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: the US in a future conflict over Taiwan. Selling three
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: to five Virginia class SSNs to Australia would thus convert
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: those SSNs from boats that would be available for use
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: in a US China c cis or conflict into boats
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: that might not be available for use in a US
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: China conflict or crisis. This could weaken, rather than strengthen,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: deterrence and war fighting capability in connection with a US
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: China crisis or conflict. Ah, this is exactly where we
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: were going to end up with a government they can't
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: decide whose side they're on. This is not the time
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: to be coosing up to China and not giving assurances
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: to the US our number one ally, this is the
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: time to pick a side, Western civilization or communism. I
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: want to go with the West, but our government doesn't
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: have a backbone and they haven't done that, And now
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: the US could be considering not giving us the Virginia
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Class subs.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: If you're going to.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Invest your nuclear technology into another nation, you want to
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: be sure that that nation is going to have your back.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And there's a pretty easy way to know. There's the
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: prospers of conflict with China over Taiwan for the Australian
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: government not to have given assurances at least privately, and
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I guess we don't know that there have not been
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: assurances privately, but the Australian government seems publicly at least
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: very reticent to back America in pretty much anything, whether
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: it's their dealings with Iran, whether it's their plan in
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the Middle East for Israel, whether it's their commitment to
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: defending Taiwan. The Australian government just really tries to play Switzerland,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: which begs the question, why would you trust us with
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: your nuclear technology. You'd be better having the subs yourself,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: work out a deal with the Australian government to use
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: our ports, and that way you have total control over
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: your military assets. It makes sense from an American point.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Of view, you can understand where they're coming from. To
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: be frank, I don't think it'll happen. You know, they're
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: putting it on the table. I don't think it'll happen,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: but it does prove the point. And again, when it
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: all came out that there were questions over whether or
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: not we would support any potential action in Taiwan, I
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: mean that was a deliberate move by the US to
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: smoke out an answer, and the answer they got was
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: less than satisfactory. And I suspect this is to some
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: degree the same. It's trying to smoke out an answer,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and hopefully it does, for the sake of our country
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: and the rest of the West, smoke out the correct answer.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, it really really should.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I think the Albanesi government would go in and support
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: the US in the case of a Taiwan conflict.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: They're so weak.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: But it really shouldn't It really should not be hard.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: How could you not get drawn into that conflict? Can you?
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Is it is correct that as a sovereign nation we
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: should be able to decide what we do and don't do.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: But in what circumstance would we not get drawn into that?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Every circumstance of Albanese's past behavior to date around foreign
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: policy decisions, what is the first thing they've always done,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: urge de escalation, respect international law. That's exactly what will
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: happen in the event of a Taiwan crisis.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: And clearly the US knows that too.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yep. Well, they certainly don't like Donald Trump, despite what
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi claims. I think they would have much preferred
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: a Kamala Harris presidency. That have been fun. Well, we
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: may still get it because her social media site has
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: been silent since she lost the election, but it's just
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: fired up again, hinting that she has an announcement coming
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: in the next twenty four hours. Have a look.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Of course, knowing Kamala Harris, that might not be an
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: advertisement for anything. It may just be that she was
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: drunk trying to log in, and that's.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Why I'm going to tell us tomorrow that exactly when.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: She sobers up. A lot of people would prefer she
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: just stays logged out from the account, but many are
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: tipping that in the next twenty four hours she will
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: announce that she will run in twenty twenty eight.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: God forbid, God help us. The US gets what it deserves.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: If she's going to run again in twenty twenty eight,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: bring on the JD vance presidencies. All I can say
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to that one, ay quickly before we get to a break.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: You know, if you thought it was pretty hard being
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the ex Prince Andrew, imagine being Meghan Markle at the moment.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Because if you've watched that series she put out on
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Netflix with Love Meghan, you probably haven't seen it. Don't
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: waste your time. I tried it out just so I
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: could tell you that I'd watched it. It's a load
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of crap. But she shows herself in a house that
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: she claims to be hers, which isn't her house, making
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: jam and all these sorts of things which she's been
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: trying to sell. But it turns out no one wants
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: to buy the jam, and there are massive reserves of
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: it at the Netflix HQ where they are storing it.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: And because it's not selling one hundred and thirty seven,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty five this stuff, the staff for
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: now just taking it. They're just going into the warehouse
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and taking it for free because no one wants to
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: buy it, just like no one wants to buy anything
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: that this woman says.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Someone managed to hack into her website and they discovered
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: across the whole range of products, including her wines, everything,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: over half a million units of unsold stock.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Is anyone buying anything?
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Evidently not.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break. When we come back,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: we'll look at what's making news tomorrow, including an incredible
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: story from Victoria. The government there has made a secret
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: payout to a female prisoner who has assaulted in prison.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Can you guess by whom? We'll tell you after the break.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: what's making headlines tomorrow. An incredible story on the front
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: page of the Herald's Sun Caleb.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Indeed, I think this is going to get plenty of
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  Speaker 1: attention tomorrow. Bombshell exclusive secret government payout over justice gone.
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  Speaker 1: Man trans murderer sexually assaults female inmate after being allowed
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  Speaker 1: into women's prison. Female jail fail as the headline and
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  Speaker 1: a cracking exclusive from Shannonderi, the Allen government has made
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  Speaker 1: a secret payout to a female prisoner sexually assaulted by
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a transgender murderer who had been allowed to move to
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  Speaker 1: a women's jail. The killer, who was known as Clinton
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  Speaker 1: Rintool at the time of the murder but has since
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  Speaker 1: changed names, was moved to the minimum security tarran Gah
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  Speaker 1: Female Prison after transitioning while serving a twenty year sentence.
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  Speaker 1: Rintoul then assaulted a female inmate in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: and last week the government settled a secret lawsuit with
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the victim for an undisclosed amount. With tax payers footing
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the bill over Rintool's prison attack, it comes as the
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  Speaker 1: herald Son. It can also reveal correction to Victoria last
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  Speaker 1: month updated its policies for the placement of transgender prisoners.
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  Speaker 1: Now one, you have to feel sorry for the victim
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  Speaker 1: in this circumstance, because she should never have had a
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: man in her prison in a position to sexually assault her.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: And then you have to feel sorry for the taxpayers
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  Speaker 1: of Victoria who, in indulging the fantasies of a murderer
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: have then been forced to pay up for the mistakes
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  Speaker 1: of the government in allowing a man to be put
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  Speaker 1: into a women's prison.
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  Speaker 2: Couldn't have said it better myself, And we've seen Jacinta
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  Speaker 2: Allen among other state premiers, get irate when quizzed about
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  Speaker 2: these policies by journalists and play hoolier than thou and
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: then push it onto Corrections Victoria or whoever the organization
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  Speaker 2: is the department, So well, what's the matter for them?
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  Speaker 2: If our political leaders had stood up for basic common
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  Speaker 2: sense and biology, this would never have happened. The person
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have been injured, the taxpayers wouldn't have been injured.
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  Speaker 2: We wouldn't have this front page story, but we do
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  Speaker 2: because our political leaders are cowards and stupid.
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  Speaker 4: It's just sick.
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  Speaker 3: Firstly, who puts a killer in a minimum security prison,
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  Speaker 3: let alone a biological male in a female minimum security prison.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you expect people who can't tell the difference between
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  Speaker 2: a man and a woman to tell the difference between
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  Speaker 2: minimum security and high security.
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  Speaker 4: True?
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  Speaker 3: True, Well, that is the state of Victoria for you,
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  Speaker 3: and it is scary. In the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, bit
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: of a lighter news story for you poor form. One
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  Speaker 3: third of bars serve low tide drinks in pub test
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  Speaker 3: fail Ossie pubgoers are being ripped off, with federal government
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  Speaker 3: spies finding thirty two percent of bars are failing to
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: pour a fair amount. Secret Shoppers from the Department of Industry,
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  Speaker 3: Science and Resources visited four hundred and thirty six venues
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  Speaker 3: across Australia in October last year to ensure every schooner, Midi, pint,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: nip shot and glass delivered the accurate poor With only
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: sixty eight percent of licensed venues passing the pub test.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: How do you reckon you get to be one of
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: those secret shopper bureaucrats whose job it is to go
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  Speaker 3: around and drink alcohol.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny you mention that, because I think that's a
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: big takeaway from this store. It's not what they're ripping
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: us off with our beers. How do I get to
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: work for that department? And when's their next secret shopper test?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Look, you know I do like this job, but I
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: think I've just found by falling in life. I agree
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: this is to sign me up for this. I have
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: wondered though, because you know they've got those particularly if
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: you get spirits those automatic things, and they just put
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the glass under it, and it's meant to give thirty
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: mili shot right, And I have sometimes wondered whether they
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: are legit or whether you can wind them back a
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: little bit so you're not getting your full portion, because
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you know, when I pour whiskey at home, the bottle
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: seems to drain a lot faster than when I go
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: to the pub, and when the tide is out, and
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: when they pour a beer and they got too much
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: head on it and they pull you a glass of
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: why and they short change you know, just I paid
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: for it. I deserve to get what I paid for,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: all right, Let's go out.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: In Australia, page of the Adelaide Advertiser tragic Story, the
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: disappearance of little Gus Lamont, disappeared from his family's property
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  Speaker 2: in South Australia back in September, still has not been found.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Police claim they have a suspect who is no longer
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: talking to them in the disappearance of Gus. What does
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Josie Know? Reads the headline. Gus Lamont's grandmothers have separately
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: hired lawyers. It has emerged after police dropped the bombshell
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: that they believe someone close to the little boy who
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: is presumed dead, knows how he vanished. Josie Murray has
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: hired top adelaide lawyer Andrew I, who did not comment yesterday,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: while Shannon Murray, that's the other grandparent, has hired another
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: prominent city solicitor. So it's an absolute tragy. No charges
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: have been laid yet, no one arrested for that matter,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: but police are saying they do believe this little boy
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: has died, either deliberately or accidentally, and they have a
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: suspect in mind.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's a tragic case and one that
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: gripped the nation at the time that it was unfolding
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: when they were searching for young Gus Lamont. And you know,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I suppose it's awful to think now that there is
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: confirmation or at least belief that he is dead. It's
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: hard to see it being otherwise after all this time, right,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: But how a kid basically just disappears in the middle
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: of South Australia is beyond me, and clearly it's beyond
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the police as well, and they won't be letting go
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: of this case. And thank God for that because imagine
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: being in that position as a parent.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: And deeply disturbing.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: If someone close knows how it happened but is not
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: being forthcoming with that information, well let's move yeah, let's
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: move on to the Australian tomorrow. Heline is push for
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: counsel of elders to oversee Libs NATSK crisis fix. A
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: powerful council of coalition elders, including former Nationals leader John
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Anderson and Liberal luminaries John Howard and Tony Abbott, may
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: be deployed into stalled talks between Susan Lee and David
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: little Prowd as senior MPs from both parties desperately search
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: for a way to break the stalemate. The idea to
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: introduce the ex leaders into negotiations on reforming a coalition
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: come as Nationals told Miss Lee on Thursday that should
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: a temporary suspension of their three senators who crossed the
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: floor be pursued, the penalty would have to be applied
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: to the.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: Whole front bench.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: So Little Prowd is saying, if those three senators have
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: to sit on the back bench for six months, then
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: the whole front bench of the National Party has to
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: be on the backbench for another six months. It's hard
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: to see that happening. But what do you reckon about
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: this idea of the Council of Elders.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's a great idea surely, and the Abbott
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: and Howard could sort it out. But what it does
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: mean is Susan Lee and David Little Proud are dead
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: in the water because if the two of them can't
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: sort this out, they require people who haven't been in
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: politics for a decade or more to come in and
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: sort out the children. Well, that's what you've got. You've
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: got a bunch of children running the show. Get out
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: of the way and get someone in there who can
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: actually sort this out so they can get on with
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: providing an opposition. This just makes David Little Proud and
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee look ridiculous.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't need mediators to come in and do this.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Also in the Australian Tomorrow labour takes backseat as creatives
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: make an art form of Jewish hate labor and.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: Its anti semitism.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Envoy could take months to consider potentially stripping funding from
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: arts buddies that tolerate will promote anti Jewish big try
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: as they wait on a workplace survey of the sector.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Despite a too your campaign of hatred against Jewish artists.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Nothing near here.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: We've known for a long time that somehow the creative
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: sector has been completely hygiene activists.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: How long can it take? And before we go? Normally
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: we'd do this segment at the end of the show,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: but tonight we're going to do it in the papers
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: the day because on the front of tomorrow's Townsville bulletin
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: it says paranoya leads to lude public acts. A television
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: thief suffering from paranoia said he masturbated in front of
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: multiple women, including a seventeen year old too, and this
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: is his genuine excuse to prove he wasn't a pedophile.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Jeremy Johnson twenty nine, appeared in court after he committed
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: multiple indecent acts in front of women around the city.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: On one occasion, Johnson followed a supermarket employee around while masturbating.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: The magistrate described his behavior as very concerning, which I
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: think is probably the understatement of all time. But that's
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: probably the dope of the day to end all dopes
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: of the day. I really thought you'd get away with that.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I would imagine. So we're going to go to a break.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: When we come back if you are weary of our politicians,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: well they're tired of themselves. Politicians falling asleep in parliament
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: is next. Welcome back to the program with the Victorian
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Parliament was in session for the first time this year
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: and straight away politicians were finding it hard to stay awake.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Case in point, Liberal MP Wendy Lovell. She did her
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: best but in the end just could not stay awake.
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: While we all support and think our CFO volunteers they're
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: do an amazing job. They also support her from occasion
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: and on occasion by our career firefighters in Fire RISKU
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: of Victoria.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Now, unfortunately she was falling asleep during a condolence motion
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: for those who suffered in the recent bushfires. Little bit
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: of a bad look though to her. Well, in her defense,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: she's not the first politician to fall asleep in parliament.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Back in twenty sixteen, Senator Darren Hinch fell asleep is
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: an in twenty fourteen Clive Palmers for five minutes in
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the Federal Parliament. So Wendy Lovell in good company there, Caleb.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Look, you know you can't blame them half the time,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: can you? But I do have to say if even
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: they can't stay awake for it. How do they expect
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: the rest of us to deal with them?
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Exactly right? Well.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: In some sad news last week, we talked about a
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: mysterious cherub on a restored Roman cathedral that then an
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: uncanny resemblance to Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney. The artist
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: denied there was any likeness or that it was intentional,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: but he has now admitted it was in fact based
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: off Georgia Maloney's resemblance, and the Church in Rome has
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: ordered the cherub's face to be scrubbed and restored to
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: its original state.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Very sad indeed.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I think Georgia Maloney is an angel. I mean, why
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: shouldn't she be painted up like that?
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: And apparently it drove up tourism silist Spedral because everyone
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: wanted to come see the George of angels.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: If they did a gargoyle that looked like Trump, do
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: you reckon? There'd be an upper.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: There probably would be an uproar. But again people would
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: come and see it, you know, I mean, look, don't
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: look a gift horse in the mouth. If it's doing
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the job, just go along with it. Now, to a
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: man who used to play rugby league, David Meady. He
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: played for the Broncos and the Gold Coast Titans two
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty games for one hundred and four tries.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: But he's gone from being a winger to captain underpants.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Because his house was broken into and he wasn't going
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: to take it lying down. He decided to pursue these
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: home invaders and he did it in his undies. There
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: he is running off down the street. Catchum in his undies.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: You know whatever you're wearing. When when it happens, you've
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: got to do something about him.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Those guys were out of there quick spot.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Oh they're an underwear advertisement back in the day. One
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: day you're going to get caught with your pants down
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: or something. And that was the youg have.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Some big guy from Papua New Guinea coming at you
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: in his undies, you would be out of there.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: That's it from us. Stick around. Coming up in just
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  Speaker 2: a moment is the Reader Penalty Show. Good Night