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Afterlife Accountability: The Humility to Start Over · Mediumship Sparks-The Next Chapter

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Mediumship Sparks, a place for people who want
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  Speaker 1: to create the spiritual life they actually want to live in. Together,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to explore the many ways we're invited into
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  Speaker 1: greater awareness, deeper healing, and self-trust. The insights, ideas, experiences
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  Speaker 1: shared here are offered to spark curiosity and invite a
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  Speaker 1: deeper exploration of what's unfolding within and around you. May
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  Speaker 1: these conversations help you discover what feels deeply, quietly true
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  Speaker 1: for you. I'm Noelle Dean, intuitive medium and licensed marriage
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  Speaker 1: and family therapist. Quick note before we begin, the podcast
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  Speaker 1: is for educational purposes only and provides general information. It's
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  Speaker 1: not medical or psychological advice and not a substitute for
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  Speaker 1: care from a licensed health professional. Now let's dive in.
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  Speaker 1: I was working out in the gym today and the
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  Speaker 1: father I grew up with stopped by. He's not my
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  Speaker 1: biological father. I didn't know that until I was 26.
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  Speaker 1: we haven't interacted in quite some time. I'm working out
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  Speaker 1: with a trainer and then suddenly I get a sense
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  Speaker 1: of him trying to make me laugh, maybe to distract
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  Speaker 1: me from focusing on the drudgery of lifting this heavy
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  Speaker 1: weight and showing himself jokingly lifting weights. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that he ever lifted weights when he was still here.
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  Speaker 1: And then he made a joke about the trainer and
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  Speaker 1: and how he was pushing me. He was making me laugh.
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  Speaker 1: He was like the king of terrible dad jokes, and
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  Speaker 1: he really amused himself more than anybody else. He was
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  Speaker 1: making a joke that I'm paying this man to make
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  Speaker 1: me sweat and work hard, and he just kept hanging around,
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  Speaker 1: and that was very unusual. And then it's like he
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  Speaker 1: was starting to download some stuff to me or give
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  Speaker 1: me messages. I'm not quite sure what was happening, but
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  Speaker 1: it felt intense. And I'm thinking, dude, I'm working out.
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  Speaker 1: If somebody is going to communicate with me, I really
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  Speaker 1: want to be able to concentrate and maybe capture it
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  Speaker 1: like I am right now. Was it for a podcast?
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  Speaker 1: Was it just a conversation between he and I? I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't really clear. So I made an appointment with him.
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  Speaker 1: So here we are. It seemed, he said something about
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  Speaker 1: moving up a tier or a level or something. It
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  Speaker 1: felt like he was saying a farewell for now. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure. And if he's going out of his way
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  Speaker 1: to communicate, that's great. He shows up sparsely. So it's
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  Speaker 1: a big deal if he's showing up when I want
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  Speaker 1: to hear what he's got to say. And I am
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  Speaker 1: more comfortable calling him Harvey, although I did call him dad.
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  Speaker 1: Harvey feels more appropriate to the formality that I feel.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing was the trainer was having me take,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's called a medicine ball. It's like a 10
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  Speaker 1: pound softish ball and to lift it over my head
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  Speaker 1: and slam it into the ground. And Harvey said, you
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  Speaker 1: can think of it as my face. And I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I would never do that. But I did want to
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  Speaker 1: think of it as any of the bitterness that I
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  Speaker 1: might still have left in me. That's what I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to hit with the medicine ball. Maybe he was just
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  Speaker 1: trying to be funny that I would still have those
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  Speaker 1: kinds of feelings about him. I really had to let
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  Speaker 1: go of some stuff. And he has delivered on one
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  Speaker 1: pretty big apology to me. It's nice to not feel.
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  Speaker 1: bitter or upset with him. This feels right to say
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  Speaker 1: there's alive or in spirit, relationships are relationships. And I have,
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  Speaker 1: how do I say this? I've said recently something about
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  Speaker 1: the spiritual world dynamics wise, but it doesn't feel as
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  Speaker 1: absolutely different as I might've thought it would. I have
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  Speaker 1: observed people in spirit. who have made some pretty big
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  Speaker 1: turnarounds in how they view the world or themselves or
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  Speaker 1: their impact on people, I've interacted with some people in
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  Speaker 1: spirit that seem to have a good bead on the
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  Speaker 1: perspective that people that are still here have about the
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  Speaker 1: relationship that they had together and maybe how that person
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  Speaker 1: treated them. some really heartfelt apologies have come through. In
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  Speaker 1: some cases, it was from somebody who's now in spirit,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes very recently in spirit, who would never have apologized
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  Speaker 1: while they were here or shown the ownership of some
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  Speaker 1: of the negative impacts they've had on their loved ones.
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  Speaker 1: And not everybody does that. It's gotta be a weird
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  Speaker 1: thing for all of us to decide to trust or
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  Speaker 1: not trust someone Who's in spirit now? Because we could say,
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  Speaker 1: they can't really hurt us anymore. But some people don't
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  Speaker 1: think that at all. Or it might be, screw that person.
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  Speaker 1: They were such a jerk when they were here. I
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  Speaker 1: have no room, patience, possibility left to even entertain the
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  Speaker 1: idea that there's someone I would want in my life.
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  Speaker 1: And I can get that too. I've seen some big turnarounds,
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  Speaker 1: but forgiveness isn't always easy. And maybe sometimes it's not
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  Speaker 1: always possible. I would like to think, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how true it is, that I have forgiven Harvey
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  Speaker 1: for many things, but I also keep in mind that
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  Speaker 1: he has the possibility of being the way that he
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  Speaker 1: was when he was here, which was distant and uncaring
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  Speaker 1: towards me. His other children didn't really have that same
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  Speaker 1: experience with him, but that was predominantly mine. And he,
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  Speaker 1: on some level, always knew I was not his child,
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  Speaker 1: even though it was not acknowledged to him that I wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't understand how or why else he would interact
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  Speaker 1: with me in that distant kind of cutoff way. When
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  Speaker 1: he did come through, and now I feel like he's
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  Speaker 1: starting to get a bit closer again, I was in
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  Speaker 1: a mediumship workshop and these two other women picked up
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  Speaker 1: on him and this apology that he had. I have
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  Speaker 1: talked about this on a different episode where even the
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  Speaker 1: facilitator was like, honey, he's apologizing to you. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, OK. Because I was like, screw you.
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  Speaker 1: And then I listened. There are times when he has
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  Speaker 1: shown up. I remember being really nervous when I was
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  Speaker 1: first doing the podcasts. And I'd be out on my
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  Speaker 1: morning walk and he showed up to help me feel
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  Speaker 1: prepared and supported. And that was really nice. He did
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  Speaker 1: that a few times when I was super nervous. He
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  Speaker 1: was the only one I was aware of. And I
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  Speaker 1: was very grateful for that. And I still feel that way.
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  Speaker 1: So what he was mentioning today was that he, it
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  Speaker 1: felt like he was saying like, I'm moving up a tier,
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  Speaker 1: goodbye for now kind of thing. I think this is
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  Speaker 1: a really good thing to interact with him about and
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  Speaker 1: see what information he can share with us about this.
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  Speaker 1: But I know that for your loved ones, just like
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  Speaker 1: with mine, I mean, people in spirit when I say
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  Speaker 1: loved ones, there are times when we can feel them
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  Speaker 1: or sense them around or we just maybe hope. But
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  Speaker 1: that hope feels alive. And then there are times when
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  Speaker 1: it's like, I just don't feel them anymore. And then
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  Speaker 1: we can wonder, are they coming back? Are they busy
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  Speaker 1: doing something and they will return? All right, Harvey, he's
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  Speaker 1: saying he wants to give shape to my example. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're new to the podcast, I get information
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  Speaker 1: a lot of different ways from people on the other side.
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  Speaker 1: My intention will be to connect with him as best
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  Speaker 1: I can, and then to convey to you exactly what
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  Speaker 1: I'm picking up on, the tone of it, how he's
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  Speaker 1: sharing it, that kind of thing. And sometimes they talk
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  Speaker 1: a bit through me and I'll do my best to
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  Speaker 1: explain what's happening so that it doesn't sound confusing. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: He's reminding me of the phrase yours, mine, and ours.
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  Speaker 1: And that's sometimes how it feels with bringing information through
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  Speaker 1: from someone on the other side, there are times when
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  Speaker 1: I'm clear, he's saying this. And then I'm like, right now,
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  Speaker 1: this is just me saying this. And then there are
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  Speaker 1: times when it feels like it becomes a blend of both.
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  Speaker 1: This happens also when I journal too, where I'll feel
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  Speaker 1: aware of somebody come in, but sometimes that person will
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  Speaker 1: take over how I say things. And I've started actually
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  Speaker 1: when I'm journaling, just putting quotation marks around that. So
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  Speaker 1: if I ever go back and look at my journals,
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  Speaker 1: I'll see where someone stepped in. They might even be
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  Speaker 1: expressing the thing I was thinking to say, like how
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  Speaker 1: my day went as an example. But clearly they're using
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  Speaker 1: words and phrases that I wouldn't. So that's part of
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  Speaker 1: how I know that it's not coming from me. It
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  Speaker 1: just feels different. You almost feel like somebody's stepping into
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  Speaker 1: your energy. My intention is to have inspired words. And
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  Speaker 1: we'll see how he steps in. He was going to
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  Speaker 1: give shape to my example. Now he's being funny saying
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  Speaker 1: par exemple, meaning for example. For he's a great living example.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Of being dickish when he was living. And
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  Speaker 1: he's significantly less dickish now that he's alive in spirit.
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  Speaker 1: Alive in spirit. What a nice phrase. If you're watching,
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  Speaker 1: I ask and then I get, this is me getting
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  Speaker 1: a yes. And please show me a no. This is
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  Speaker 1: me getting a no. to my questions. It just helps
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  Speaker 1: me stay focused and know that I'm on track. This
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  Speaker 1: message is for all of us. Okay. He's saying there's
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  Speaker 1: a particular example of expansion of spirit that he would
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  Speaker 1: like to share about. Okay. And he's saying for this example,
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  Speaker 1: he wants to use Papa. Papa was his father in
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  Speaker 1: this life and someone that I have what I would
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  Speaker 1: consider a very trusty and good bond with when he
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  Speaker 1: was still here and certainly being on the other side.
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  Speaker 1: He's saying that Papa was pristine in his integral integrity
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  Speaker 1: as a soul. He's using descriptors of gentle, kindness, generosity. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Papa had a soft voice. He's reminding me of Papa's
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  Speaker 1: soft voice. He had damage on his vocal cords when
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  Speaker 1: he was very young. So he had an unusually soft voice.
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  Speaker 1: Harvey's saying that actually matched Papa's personality in many ways.
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  Speaker 1: And he's saying that the experience of Papa now is
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  Speaker 1: fully integrated. He's just not as gentle in spirit, but
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  Speaker 1: he's equally as loving and caring on either side. Gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: And now Harvey's talking about himself. So he says, me,
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  Speaker 1: I was more than him in these areas of generosity, kindness,
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  Speaker 1: to do together things that would have seemed caring to me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He wants me to say, I'm not arguing with it.
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  Speaker 1: Which is true. I think he's summing that up pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: Harvey saying about himself that he was never a finer
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  Speaker 1: example of who he was or what he could do, except,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember him describing this to me. So the
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  Speaker 1: last few years of his life, his wife, my stepmother
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  Speaker 1: had passed a few years before him. And in those
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  Speaker 1: two years, I let go of a lot of my
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  Speaker 1: issues with him. We hadn't been close like ever, but
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  Speaker 1: I knew he was lonely. after she passed, some of
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  Speaker 1: that time he spent living in a nursing home. So
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  Speaker 1: we would talk sometimes and talking was really him entertaining himself.
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  Speaker 1: And then I would listen and there wasn't a lot
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  Speaker 1: of realness to our conversations. And when that came up,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't go well. He didn't appreciate being caught up
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  Speaker 1: in my truth, like me sharing my experience of anything
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  Speaker 1: with him. I was trying to get a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of closure because by having some sort of authentic conversation
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  Speaker 1: and it was never well-received. So I let stuff go,
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  Speaker 1: but after he died, it came back and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: fuck him. He showed up in spirit and I was like, nope.
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  Speaker 1: He's laughing. I was like, no siree, Bob. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to have a conversation with him. I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to deal with this shit. That's what he's saying about me.
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  Speaker 1: And he's right. That is how I felt. I compromised
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  Speaker 1: myself enough. So he's saying these discrepancies of interacting with people,
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  Speaker 1: before they get into spirit and they show up one
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  Speaker 1: way and then they're in spirit and it's like, surprise.
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  Speaker 1: And they show up like, wait, what? It might seem
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  Speaker 1: like they have no concept of the negative impacts they
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  Speaker 1: may have had on you. Are you bringing up something
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  Speaker 1: about this little life review? He's getting close to that.
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  Speaker 1: So you may have heard of the term that people,
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  Speaker 1: when they cross, go through a life review. And they
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  Speaker 1: get to see the impact and they get to witness
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  Speaker 1: the impact of them and who they were and how
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  Speaker 1: they were from other people's perspectives. He says it's compulsory.
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  Speaker 1: You often don't have to do it right away. Gotcha. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Did you choose to do yours right away? He's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to see that shit. He's saying he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be in his glory of denial. He's saying
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  Speaker 1: that he was an imbecile. Because it was obvious. Because
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  Speaker 1: he could see that I never missed him. Wow. I
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  Speaker 1: would never have thought from that perspective. Now I'm wondering, listener,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever thought? Would you have thought of that?
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  Speaker 1: That the person in spirit knows how much you do
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  Speaker 1: or don't miss them? He could tell that he was
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  Speaker 1: not an integral part of my thoughts or in my heart.
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  Speaker 1: Because he never heard me missing him. He didn't see
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  Speaker 1: me crying about him being dead. I hear you. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: It's all true. Yeah. And he's comparing that with his
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  Speaker 1: experience of watching over my sister. Did you interact with
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  Speaker 1: her very much? I'm getting a sometimes. Yeah. He's saying
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  Speaker 1: she would leave me little messages. She would call him dad.
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  Speaker 1: And she'd be like, hey, Daph, you hear this? I
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  Speaker 1: love you. That's sweet. I know. He's like, you never
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  Speaker 1: did that. That's true. So you're saying you knew how
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  Speaker 1: I really felt about you without me having to say
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  Speaker 1: a word. You're bringing that up. And it's a good
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  Speaker 1: reality check that we may be wondering when somebody who
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  Speaker 1: might have been unkind or cruel leaves the earth, do
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  Speaker 1: they have any idea about the impact they made? He's
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  Speaker 1: saying they can avoid the life review for a very
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  Speaker 1: long time. It's up to them. They're encouraged, but they're
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  Speaker 1: never forced, but it's a requirement at some point to
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  Speaker 1: go through it. So you were just saying that you
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  Speaker 1: waited to do yours because you didn't really want to face,
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  Speaker 1: because you already knew. He's showing another family member. I
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  Speaker 1: knew what they didn't miss about me being gone. Like
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  Speaker 1: what they didn't miss about him and his personality. That
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  Speaker 1: he was overbearing sometimes. Yeah. He could be demanding too.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he's saying. I don't want to forget the
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  Speaker 1: part about you moving up a tier. So let's not
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  Speaker 1: forget to get back to that. Okay. I appreciate widening
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  Speaker 1: my perspective on this. Is there anything you want to
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  Speaker 1: say to me or our listener about this phenomenon of
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  Speaker 1: people on the other side who we didn't have great
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  Speaker 1: relationships with having they're faced with the reality check? Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And he's saying it's hard for people who were very
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  Speaker 1: loved and cherished and close to those that they left behind.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get to see the pain that your
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  Speaker 1: loved ones are in because you're not there comforting them
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  Speaker 1: or they don't feel you being there. He's saying that's
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  Speaker 1: hard on both sides. He's saying both are hard on
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  Speaker 1: both sides because when you have a strained relationship with
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  Speaker 1: someone and they pass away, you have to forfeit the
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  Speaker 1: hope that the relationship would have gotten any better. I
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  Speaker 1: think this is the first time somebody in spirit's mentioning mediumship.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited. He's saying that's where mediumship comes in because
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  Speaker 1: you can mend your relationship. He's reminding us that mediumship,
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  Speaker 1: it's one word and it can encompass so many things.
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  Speaker 1: He's saying it could just be presence or connection. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You don't need a mediumship reading. You don't
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  Speaker 1: need to become a medium. You don't need to. And
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  Speaker 1: then he's showing all divination tools like tarot cards or
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  Speaker 1: Ouija board. He's encouraging us not to lose hope about
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  Speaker 1: that being a possibility. So here's my question to you, Harvey.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that a lot of us are connected with
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  Speaker 1: each other because there's some sort of contract or karmic
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  Speaker 1: something or other. that we said we were going to
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  Speaker 1: incarnate and have this type of relationship to rebalance things
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  Speaker 1: or fix things. So I'm assuming that you and I
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  Speaker 1: had that kind of relationship and he's saying yes. As
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  Speaker 1: soon as he said that, I just see that he
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  Speaker 1: was a Pharaoh and I was a peon. Part of
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  Speaker 1: my job in this life was to not feel less
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  Speaker 1: than because he didn't acknowledge me. Am I getting that right? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: not where I was going with this. So let's put
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  Speaker 1: that on the side. But here's the question that I have,
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  Speaker 1: and we all may have this question. So if we
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  Speaker 1: have a karmic connection or contract to work out some
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  Speaker 1: issues in this life, but one of the people crosses,
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  Speaker 1: this sounds silly to ask because I'm like, does it
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  Speaker 1: count if? I feel a little juvenile even asking this,
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  Speaker 1: but I really do wonder about this. Does it count
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  Speaker 1: karmically in the rebalancing if we rediscover ourselves as less
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  Speaker 1: prideful beings and make amends and atone with each other
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  Speaker 1: when one person is on the other side? And can
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  Speaker 1: that still redirect or correct the karmic rebalancing that was
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  Speaker 1: meant for us to experience in our relationship together? Now,
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  Speaker 1: is this your opinion or is this a known thing?
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  Speaker 1: I got a big yes that it was his opinion,
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  Speaker 1: but is that like a known thing up there? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It still feels like a yes. I'm feeling hesitant to
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  Speaker 1: take it in at face value. So I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: keep asking some questions. Do you understand why I'm feeling
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  Speaker 1: that way, Harvey? Okay. Just checking. Okay. So he's talking
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  Speaker 1: about conscious versus super conscious. He's defining super conscious as
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  Speaker 1: this elevated version of ourselves while we're on the other side.
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  Speaker 1: but further along in our healing. Okay. And conscious is
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  Speaker 1: you and I being here, doing our best to be
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  Speaker 1: conscientious and aware and present, but having limited perspective because
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  Speaker 1: we're still in our life here. He's saying as a
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  Speaker 1: super conscious person, he may be an even better partner
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  Speaker 1: to healing the wrinkles over time of our relationships in
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  Speaker 1: the past. And I feel like what he's showing me
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  Speaker 1: now is... So let's say, while he was still here,
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  Speaker 1: I really went to town about forgiveness and realized... rolling
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  Speaker 1: my eyes at myself because I didn't take it that
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  Speaker 1: seriously before, but that he didn't need to change for
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  Speaker 1: me to forgive him. Forgiveness isn't that person has atoned
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  Speaker 1: for their trespasses upon me and now I am giving
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  Speaker 1: them grace kind of thing. Real forgiveness, as I'm aware
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  Speaker 1: of it now, is that it doesn't matter what that
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: person does or doesn't do. Me letting go of the
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: anger and accepting them as who they are is forgiveness.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: forgiveness really means. You can forgive somebody and choose to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: not be in a relationship with them anymore because you
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: see the person for how they are. He's saying it
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: like you see the reptile for their scales, but you
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: don't delude yourself about who that person is and you
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: can make a choice to not maintain a relationship with them.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe part of the karmic contract is the forgiveness part,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: not the, we mended our relationship and now we're super close.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: He's saying that when he was here, he did not
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  Speaker 1: care about how I felt about him or anything else.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And his way of dealing with his own shame that
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't want a relationship with him was that he
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: rejected me. And he also reminded me how my sister
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: always pursued a relationship with him. She always pursued having
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a relationship with him. This was her biological father. They
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: had whatever closeness they had, but I never really showed that.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I would reach out every few years. He preferred to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: look at it as if he rejected me first. I
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: feel like on my perspective, I could say you did. Okay.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: So you started off today by letting me know it
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: felt like a goodbye that you were moving up a tier.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Is that what you were trying to say? Big yes
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: to that. Okay. So can you tell us more about that, please?
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: He's saying my lack of forgiveness of him or not.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that he has excelled in his progression to become a
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: certain type of soul who's moved past obstacles. You mean
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: since you've just been in the soul life? Yes. Okay. Sorry,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not really clear what that means. Can you please
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: keep talking and describing what you're sharing about? So he's
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: giving me a visual, like he's traveling some kind of distance,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: like going off to university or something. He's saying it's
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: something like that. Okay. This feels very weird to hear
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: this come from him, but I'm very biased of who
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I think he is. And he really has changed, of course.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And I have not stayed on top of the progression
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: that he's gone through. So I'm just going to share
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: what he's giving me instead of thinking he's full of crap,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: which sounds terrible, but that's where I'm sitting. is that
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: he's looking to get trained to be more of an
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: angelic being. And then he's showing me a visual of
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: an elephant. So are you planning on incarnating as an elephant? No.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Tell me about the elephant reference. What are you showing
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: me about an elephant? He's saying being an elephant includes
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: endless patience, accepting limitations too soon, too early in life, Yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: but you're really like a family member, a clan member
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: to each other. Yeah, I've heard that about elephants. So
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: you're going to be trained to be more elephant-like, except
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the limits part. Yeah, he wants to feel limitless. And
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: there's something about the size of the elephant, heavy grounded presence.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Am I getting that right? Okay. Reincarnating further into the
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: animal kingdom. simplifies life. There's courage, bravery, finding food, being prey,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: being part of a family or a clan, having a
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: den or a lair. There are things to learn from
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the animal kingdom. And he's emphasizing the word simplicity. Okay.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: So are you saying you're going to start over by
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: being an animal? Huh? He's saying that he missed that step.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that he's never known how to be present in his life,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: in any of his lives. So he's going to go
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: back and do the elementary work of being just spiritual presence.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: And then in physical form, just presence, not like an
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: anxious meerkat, just a meerkat, not like an angry kangaroo,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: just a kangaroo. Really? Wow. Okay. Okay. Is this a
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: common thing for people to do on the other side?
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I'm getting a no. And was this your idea? He said, no,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Papa suggested. Oh, do you still feel fatherly towards Papa?
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: He says in many ways. Yeah. You start from a
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: bit of a clean slate. He's saying like things are
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: on an even keel, but Papa is a spiritual guide. Yeah. Okay.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: That's really interesting. Are you still going to be around
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to be in contact with me? He's saying always, there's
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: always a part in the spiritual world that stays and
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: remains there. Okay. But it'll be different. And he's saying
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: he'll be learning a tremendous amount and then he'll come
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: back and share stories. Okay. Wow. And now I'm feeling
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: kind of emotional. If I'm really sitting with how I'm
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: just me, Noelle, feeling right now, I really feel the
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: integrity of him making that kind of conscious choice. Now
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I'm getting some pressure on the left side of my
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: head behind my ear. It's just occurring to me that
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you're being really accountable for how you were and in
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: a very humble way starting over that you as the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: human would never have done that. You were so looking
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to be prideful. And he was. He loved the idea
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: of having fancier cars and really trying to have the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: image of that he created wealth, although he really didn't.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: But this sounds very grounded and real. He's saying, yes,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: it is. Like he really, truly, earnestly means to do
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the work this time. I'm just feeling aware for all
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: of us that who knows how people are progressing or
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: changing on the other side, what support they have to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: do that and who they can become when they release
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: all of the old, he's saying ego bullshit. I would
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: have said that too. Wow. I'm proud of you. I
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: love that you would be humble enough to do that.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: You'll pick up the missing pieces so that if you
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: choose to incarnate and have children again, that they can
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: have a very different kind of experience. Yeah. He's saying,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: thanks for your well-wishing. Now I can see why you
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: wanted to share that with us. Thank you. This is
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a real perspective changer. I haven't heard of this kind
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: of thing. Not that I've looked, but what a cool
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: perspective for all of us to see what a different
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: direction our loved ones can take to restart themselves. He's
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: saying in a much more wholehearted way, damn, I think
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: he just made me even more hopeful about the beauty
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and magic of the spiritual world. Thank you for sharing
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that with us. Do you have anything else you want
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to share before you go? He's saying best of luck
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to everyone involved, I feel like he means people in
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the spirit world as well as us here, to come
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: together and try to make peace and not war and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: have love between us. Because it feels not worth it
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: when you're on the other side to have seen the
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: discrepancies between people and the disagreements and the lack of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: saying unhurtful things. People not sharing more love from the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: best parts of themselves is what feels right to say. Yeah.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And I just speaking for myself, feel grateful to have
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: him say this because some things in my family are
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: changing and I'm really looking to be a better version
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: of myself. Like truly think outside of my own old
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: reactivity and, about things and people and situations and having
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: history with people, it can be so sordid. And it's
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: easy to hang on to the negative. And frankly, I'm
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: sick of that, being that within my own head about
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: myself or others. And yeah, it just breeds a lack
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: of love or ease in relationships. He's making a joke now.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Spread the word. as if other people could choose He's
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: saying to reboot themselves as spirits and almost see where
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: else they can flutter. I just really want to thank you, Harvey, for, sorry,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: he asked me to call him dad and I really
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: don't want to. It doesn't feel right to me. And
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I am a recovering people pleaser that has had to
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: stop abandoning myself so that I could make other people
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: feel better about themselves, even if it's at the expense of.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: So I'd like to not do that. And it doesn't
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: mean I don't care or feel some love. I certainly
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: feel proud of you. And I'd like to think that's
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: good enough. Okay. Now he's saying fair enough. Yeah. But
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I really want to thank you for coming here and
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: sharing this with all of us because, wow, bit of
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: a mind blower. Yeah. I hope this was interesting for
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you to hear. If you've heard of this before, please
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: email me and tell me. I would be very interested
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: to know. I haven't heard anything quite like this before.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: That's our episode for today. Think of Harvey and his future.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: He's making a joke about elephantitis. He's trying to be
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: funny about if you saw The Breakfast Club. Okay, that
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: was actually, I believe, legitimately funny. Anyway, he's making a
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: joke because he wants to leave us smiling. Let's keep
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: looking to uncover, discover, and keep learning. The more we do,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I think the wider our perspective becomes, and it's only
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: going to help us. So you take good care. Bye-bye.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being with us today. If
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you'd like support as you continue your own exploring, you
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: can find information about my classes, readings, and other offerings
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: at connectingwithnoelle.com. If today's conversation made you think of someone,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I'd love it if you would share this with them.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Take good care, and I look forward to being with
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: you again soon.