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Ep. 202 - Exploring the Messianic Prophecies in Isaiah 53 · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Emeal Zwane: Ray, have you ever, in evangelism, shared Isaiah 53 with a Jew?
• 1:08
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, and what's been the response?
• 1:10
  Emeal Zwane: Wonderful.
• 1:11
  Emeal Zwane: From then, I'm going to get it.
• 1:14
  Emeal Zwane: I remember.
• 1:15
  Ray Comfort: I did a video it just got up with Reuben the Jewish math professor.
• 1:19
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, yeah, and we talked about it and I mentioned Isaiah 53 and how it speaks of a man.
• 1:24
  Ray Comfort: It doesn't speak of the nation of Israel, and he was just saying wow, and this is a Jew saying wow, as I quoted Isaiah and Psalm two.
• 1:35
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, by the way, if you have not listened or if you have not seen that video, I really urge you to go to YouTube and look it up.
• 1:41
  Oscar Navarro: It is really really good.
• 1:43
  Oscar Navarro: The man almost begs for salvation at the end of the interview.
• 1:49
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, it's beautiful.
• 1:49
  Emeal Zwane: It really was.
• 1:50
  Emeal Zwane: It's one of the best I think you've ever done, right?
• 1:52
  Emeal Zwane: We all know I'm crazy yeah, amen.
• 2:03
  Emeal Zwane: So it's no surprise that one night last week, as I sat alone on my couch in my living room, I laughed out loud to myself.
• 2:12
  Emeal Zwane: But the question is, why did I laugh out loud to myself?
• 2:16
  Ray Comfort: Because you're looking into the mirror On my watch and you're looking into the mirror Because you're high-kitched in the mirror.
• 2:20
  Mark Spence: That's annoying you as well.
• 2:21
  Emeal Zwane: The question is why did I laugh out loud to myself as I sat alone on my couch in my living room last week?
• 2:26
  Emeal Zwane: I'm going with mirror?
• 2:27
  Emeal Zwane: It's because, friends, my brain conjured up a wonderful image of Ray Comfort with a perm.
• 2:37
  Emeal Zwane: With a what With a perm?
• 2:41
  Ray Comfort: Perm?
• 2:42
  Ray Comfort: What are you talking about that?
• 2:44
  Ray Comfort: I was just going to tell you I just wrote it down here that I accidentally took three of my wife's supplements.
• 2:52
  Emeal Zwane: I saw them getting a perm.
• 2:54
  Mark Spence: Yeah, see it was appropriate Ray looking like Keith Green Ray did you Back in the day?
• 3:00
  Emeal Zwane: perms were the thing.
• 3:01
  Emeal Zwane: I mean guys were the thing.
• 3:02
  Ray Comfort: Well, you better explain what is a permanent curl that you're getting here.
• 3:05
  Ray Comfort: But it's not permanent.
• 3:05
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it's like what you've got.
• 3:07
  Ray Comfort: It is.
• 3:09
  Emeal Zwane: Seriously, if I let my hair go would you have a perm Ray?
• 3:11
  Mark Spence: did you have?
• 3:11
  Oscar Navarro: a perm no.
• 3:12
  Emeal Zwane: Wait if I let my hair go.
• 3:13
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, I want to know what would happen with Easy.
• 3:15
  Emeal Zwane: Would it be a fro?
• 3:16
  Emeal Zwane: Like a Middle Eastern fro you guys know, my hair doesn't grow out, it grows up.
• 3:19
  Emeal Zwane: Basically, I think it is so cool to have a huge fro.
• 3:22
  Ray Comfort: I was thinking about it the other day.
• 3:23
  Ray Comfort: You see guys walking down the street and they got a fro.
• 3:24
  Emeal Zwane: I think that's very cool.
• 3:26
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, you could have like a really bad 80s like flat top, you'd never get a head injury.
• 3:30
  Ray Comfort: I know Kid and play.
• 3:32
  Oscar Navarro: It's funny, I bet you can grow a landing pad up there.
• 3:34
  Emeal Zwane: When we.
• 3:34
  Emeal Zwane: But it's funny, though, when people have like big hair and get rid of it, they look like half the person they were.
• 3:40
  Ray Comfort: Well, you're already like half person.
• 3:41
  Ray Comfort: We want you to grow them.
• 3:43
  Ray Comfort: It's like my dog.
• 3:44
  Emeal Zwane: When I give her a bath, she like disappears.
• 3:47
  Mark Spence: She's like.
• 3:47
  Mark Spence: She's like a rat.
• 3:47
  Mark Spence: You clean your dog Well that's why I'm a clean person.
• 3:52
  Emeal Zwane: Seriously, I was thinking yesterday.
• 3:54
  Emeal Zwane: I wish I had a dog shower.
• 3:55
  Emeal Zwane: I'd shower my dog every day if I could, Really.
• 3:57
  Emeal Zwane: Anyway, Ray, back to your perm.
• 3:59
  Ray Comfort: You take the dog in the shower, will you?
• 4:00
  Ray Comfort: That's what I do, no way, yeah, I always do that.
• 4:04
  Ray Comfort: So much easier.
• 4:04
  Ray Comfort: That's just not right, there's no panic from the dog.
• 4:06
  Ray Comfort: They just stand in the corner looking terrified.
• 4:08
  Ray Comfort: You spray the, you send the shower towards them or her, and it's all over and they're thrilled.
• 4:14
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, I'm not into that.
• 4:15
  Emeal Zwane: Ray, now Ray perm.
• 4:16
  Emeal Zwane: Did you ever, ray, seriously get a perm?
• 4:20
  Emeal Zwane: No, what do you think I'm crazy?
• 4:24
  Ray Comfort: I did have hair on my, I just didn't brush my hair when I was in my late teens.
• 4:28
  Ray Comfort: It was just hanging on my shoulders and sun bleached.
• 4:32
  Emeal Zwane: Kind of looking like Seiway, seiway.
• 4:34
  Oscar Navarro: How many guaranteed YouTube views.
• 4:36
  Oscar Navarro: Would it take to get you to have a perm right now?
• 4:38
  Ray Comfort: Oh, I'd do it for a million views.
• 4:40
  Oscar Navarro: There, you go.
• 4:41
  Ray Comfort: You heard it here.
• 4:42
  Emeal Zwane: Ray, why don't you grow your hair out like really long?
• 4:47
  Ray Comfort: Because, I'm out of my teenage years.
• 4:49
  Ray Comfort: I've grown up.
• 4:50
  Emeal Zwane: No, that would be so cool to see you with long hair.
• 4:53
  Emeal Zwane: Really, no, not really.
• 4:55
  Ray Comfort: You made me shave my mustache off when we were in Israel.
• 4:58
  Emeal Zwane: Oh, that was the greatest joy of my life.
• 5:00
  Emeal Zwane: It was terrible.
• 5:01
  Emeal Zwane: Seriously, because you know I detested your mustache.
• 5:03
  Emeal Zwane: That's no secret.
• 5:04
  Emeal Zwane: Everybody knows that and I see it, but I, honestly, I could not believe my eyes.
• 5:12
  Emeal Zwane: When you walked out the next day from a hotel room and your mustache was gone.
• 5:16
  Emeal Zwane: I was like are you saying moustache?
• 5:19
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, it is Moustache, moustache, that's what I say.
• 5:22
  Mark Spence: My nose is so important it had to be underlined Ray what was the last time you were completely clean shaven, though I know you that you cut it down really low, but you can still see it's double In the late 20s I tried eight times grommastache and it wouldn't come through.
• 5:34
  Ray Comfort: It was pathetic.
• 5:35
  Emeal Zwane: It was like you.
• 5:35
  Emeal Zwane: Like you get it?
• 5:39
  Ray Comfort: No, but remember when you were in Israel and you came out with your mustache yes and I had breakfast in the morning and, as a teenage kid that really loved me, says you don't look like Ray Comfort anymore.
• 5:47
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, remember.
• 5:48
  Ray Comfort: And I was just shattered.
• 5:49
  Ray Comfort: He was terrified.
• 5:50
  Ray Comfort: And then my wife didn't like it either.
• 5:52
  Ray Comfort: She said big grudge.
• 5:53
  Emeal Zwane: Did she really?
• 5:54
  Emeal Zwane: Oh, yes.
• 5:54
  Ray Comfort: I had to have trained nasal here to fill in the gap.
• 5:58
  Emeal Zwane: She wasn't happy with me when you got back home.
• 6:01
  Emeal Zwane: Huh Well, it was me, not you.
• 6:02
  Emeal Zwane: She never got me to do it.
• 6:03
  Emeal Zwane: Why made you do it?
• 6:03
  Ray Comfort: Yeah well, you didn't make me do it, you just strongly suggest you don't do well with peer pressure.
• 6:08
  Emeal Zwane: Knife to my throat.
• 6:08
  Emeal Zwane: You really don't Prove it.
• 6:09
  Emeal Zwane: Did you ever have a mullet Ray?
• 6:11
  Emeal Zwane: A mullet yeah.
• 6:14
  Ray Comfort: No, that is disgusting.
• 6:15
  Ray Comfort: I saw kids were in right now.
• 6:17
  Ray Comfort: Oh, it's horrible, like half of our listeners have mullets.
• 6:20
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, that means half our listeners are Canadians.
• 6:24
  Ray Comfort: Oh, that awful.
• 6:26
  Emeal Zwane: Mullets are big in Canada.
• 6:27
  Emeal Zwane: They're big right now, back in the day, I know.
• 6:29
  Ray Comfort: Everything goes around in circles, oscar, don't you?
• 6:30
  Emeal Zwane: do it.
• 6:31
  Oscar Navarro: I told my wife You're in everything, that's in.
• 6:33
  Oscar Navarro: You're in everything.
• 6:33
  Oscar Navarro: No, that's not true.
• 6:34
  Oscar Navarro: I did tell my wife that during our two week break in December I might grow a mullet.
• 6:39
  Oscar Navarro: No, please.
• 6:41
  Emeal Zwane: I think your hair is like mine, though.
• 6:42
  Emeal Zwane: It will just curl.
• 6:43
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, a little puff work in the back.
• 6:46
  Emeal Zwane: Mark mullet.
• 6:47
  Mark Spence: No no, you never did a mullet back in the 80s, kirk did a mullet I yeah, I'm not a mullet guy I don't know if it was a mullet, it was just a bush behind him.
• 6:57
  Emeal Zwane: You know who had the worst mullet ever?
• 6:59
  Emeal Zwane: I think was Mel Gibson.
• 7:02
  Emeal Zwane: He had a pretty nasty mullet.
• 7:04
  Mark Spence: And that's business in the front, parting the back.
• 7:08
  Emeal Zwane: But Rachel used to say this.
• 7:09
  Emeal Zwane: They used to use this acronym.
• 7:11
  Emeal Zwane: You're not going to remember it.
• 7:13
  Emeal Zwane: No, it was that like parting the front Business in the back, Business in the front.
• 7:17
  Mark Spence: Parting the back something like that.
• 7:18
  Oscar Navarro: I feel like.
• 7:19
  Emeal Zwane: Albert Muller.
• 7:22
  Oscar Navarro: Albert Muller is like a pseudo character of himself called Albert mullet.
• 7:26
  Oscar Navarro: It's like this younger, rebellious rock and roll self.
• 7:30
  Oscar Navarro: That would be funny.
• 7:32
  Oscar Navarro: He's going to make us take his episode off Albert mullet Off our list.
• 7:36
  Emeal Zwane: The adventures of Albert mullet.
• 7:38
  Ray Comfort: That'd be a fun thing to do, really.
• 7:41
  Emeal Zwane: There was a thought that had a real bad mullet.
• 7:43
  Emeal Zwane: Was it Ray Bolton or Bolton?
• 7:46
  Mark Spence: Michael Bolton.
• 7:46
  Mark Spence: Michael Bolton.
• 7:47
  Mark Spence: Michael Bolton oh yeah, from the 80s Remember his man, it was like is he still around?
• 7:52
  Oscar Navarro: I?
• 7:52
  Mark Spence: don't know.
• 7:53
  Mark Spence: Well, EZ still listens to the music In his prayer.
• 7:56
  Mark Spence: Closet out comes Michael Bolton from underneath.
• 7:59
  Emeal Zwane: The worst is balding guys with mullets.
• 8:01
  Emeal Zwane: Those are the worst.
• 8:02
  Emeal Zwane: I think they're trying to make us Well, it's worse when the mullet comes over the front.
• 8:05
  Emeal Zwane: It's a cover up, okay.
• 8:11
  Ray Comfort: Apologies to any big guys.
• 8:12
  Oscar Navarro: Exploring the messianic prophecies of mullets.
• 8:15
  Emeal Zwane: We're going to lose all the mullet here.
• 8:16
  Emeal Zwane: That's what I'm saying.
• 8:17
  Emeal Zwane: They're all going to be gone.
• 8:18
  Emeal Zwane: All right, france.
• 8:20
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• 8:24
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• 8:27
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• 8:33
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• 8:35
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• 8:44
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• 8:45
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• 8:49
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• 8:56
  Mark Spence: We did talk about tofu.
• 8:58
  Ray Comfort: Welcome to the podcast.
• 9:01
  Emeal Zwane: Then I heard EZ's voice.
• 9:03
  Emeal Zwane: Sorry about that, but I kept listening.
• 9:07
  Ray Comfort: Did it really say that?
• 9:08
  Ray Comfort: Oh, that's funny.
• 9:10
  Emeal Zwane: I heard EZ's voice dot dot dot, but I kept listening.
• 9:13
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• 9:16
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• 9:19
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• 9:20
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• 9:22
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• 9:27
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• 9:33
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• 9:36
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• 9:38
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• 9:40
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• 9:47
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• 9:51
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• 9:55
  Emeal Zwane: You don't know how this impacts you are making for the kingdom.
• 10:00
  Emeal Zwane: I also say hi, friends, all the time now in EZ's voice.
• 10:03
  Emeal Zwane: God bless you.
• 10:05
  Emeal Zwane: Ez's voice is now my favorite.
• 10:08
  Emeal Zwane: No, love you all dearly Elizabeth.
• 10:10
  Mark Spence: Did you add that?
• 10:11
  Mark Spence: Yeah, what do you add?
• 10:13
  Mark Spence: What do you add?
• 10:13
  Emeal Zwane: Redemption I would Hang on.
• 10:17
  Ray Comfort: It's her name's, elizabeth.
• 10:18
  Ray Comfort: That's why she likes your little squeaky voice.
• 10:20
  Mark Spence: That's why it also says please read, please read.
• 10:22
  Mark Spence: Ez, I've noticed this that people will put compliments.
• 10:25
  Mark Spence: Did you see that?
• 10:26
  Mark Spence: Okay?
• 10:27
  Oscar Navarro: Well, I was at a church preaching two weeks ago in Colorado and they were like it's so clear that EZ reads all the comments written about EZ.
• 10:35
  Oscar Navarro: I was like thank you, Of course, Of course.
• 10:39
  Emeal Zwane: Oh, Elizabeth, thank you so much.
• 10:40
  Emeal Zwane: Seriously, when I read this to Rachel the other day, I bawled my eyes out.
• 10:43
  Emeal Zwane: That's why I didn't cry.
• 10:44
  Emeal Zwane: Now I got it all out.
• 10:46
  Emeal Zwane: Just the thought that the Lord has used us in this way in your life means more to us than you know Elizabeth.
• 10:51
  Mark Spence: So be it a male.
• 10:52
  Emeal Zwane: Thank you and God bless you.
• 10:53
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• 10:56
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• 11:07
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• 11:11
  Emeal Zwane: I don't know if we've done a panic attack, one Anxiety.
• 11:14
  Emeal Zwane: Well, we did one on anxiety.
• 11:16
  Emeal Zwane: We did Anxiety attacked yeah, because that was one of my pastor sermon titles.
• 11:19
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• 11:20
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• 12:05
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• 12:08
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• 12:11
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• 13:00
  Ray Comfort: I'm so excited about this.
• 13:01
  Ray Comfort: Psalm 53 is one of my favorite Psalms, so I need to get into it.
• 13:05
  Ray Comfort: I've been digging into it all week and memorizing it.
• 13:08
  Emeal Zwane: Imagine if you prepped for Psalm 53.
• 13:10
  Emeal Zwane: Yes, friends today we are exploring the Messianic prophecies in Isaiah 50.
• 13:14
  Ray Comfort: And we were going to do this a week or so ago but we put it off because this is such a hallowed ground of Scripture I mean all Scriptures hallowed ground.
• 13:23
  Ray Comfort: But this is super special and I was thinking how, when we approach it, we're going to handle it with white gloves because it's so special.
• 13:30
  Ray Comfort: It is special and especially when you consider the fact that Isaiah wrote Isaiah Isaiah Ray.
• 13:39
  Emeal Zwane: Seriously, you guys say it like that.
• 13:40
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, I had to relearn it when I came over here.
• 13:45
  Ray Comfort: I think Rachel finally changed her ways in that regard.
• 13:48
  Emeal Zwane: That's pretty annoying, isaiah.
• 13:49
  Emeal Zwane: What's wrong with that, isaiah?
• 13:54
  Emeal Zwane: You don't feel that's?
• 13:55
  Ray Comfort: unnatural to say like that.
• 13:58
  Oscar Navarro: No.
• 13:59
  Emeal Zwane: Let me hear you say it, isaiah.
• 14:02
  Ray Comfort: Anyway, that was my gladiator voice yeah.
• 14:06
  Emeal Zwane: But, he wrote it around 685 BC, so almost 700.
• 14:10
  Emeal Zwane: Years before Christ came.
• 14:12
  Emeal Zwane: Honestly, guys, I know, we're going to jump into it, but I just want to say at the outset I don't think you need anything else in the pages of the Old Testament besides Isaiah 53 to demonstrate that Christ is who Scripture tells us he is.
• 14:24
  Emeal Zwane: Well, god would disagree.
• 14:25
  Emeal Zwane: I was thinking that, but I didn't want to say it.
• 14:28
  Emeal Zwane: But no, I see what you're saying.
• 14:30
  Emeal Zwane: I'm saying in terms of being able to recognize the fact that you're a Christian, you're a Christian.
• 14:36
  Mark Spence: You're a Christian, you're a.
• 14:37
  Emeal Zwane: Christian.
• 14:37
  Emeal Zwane: You're a Christian.
• 14:37
  Emeal Zwane: You know being able to recognize like how can you not realize this is Jesus?
• 14:44
  Ray Comfort: Specificity.
• 14:44
  Ray Comfort: That's what it has.
• 14:46
  Ray Comfort: That's specific Specificity, yeah.
• 14:50
  Emeal Zwane: Did I say that wrong?
• 14:51
  Emeal Zwane: No, I misheard you.
• 14:54
  Emeal Zwane: But you know, I think I watched a video once where someone in Israel was going up to people.
• 15:02
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, tell us about it.
• 15:03
  Ray Comfort: Right, it's the guy that loves the ministry of God, the Gospel of God, and he was reading Isaiah 53 to people and saying where is this from?
• 15:11
  Ray Comfort: And they said it's obviously the New Testament.
• 15:14
  Ray Comfort: But it wasn't.
• 15:16
  Ray Comfort: It was the old test of it.
• 15:16
  Ray Comfort: And I actually watched a video this morning.
• 15:18
  Ray Comfort: Not many views, but it was a guy who's repreaching, I think in New York, and he was reading Isaiah and nobody was listening to him.
• 15:26
  Ray Comfort: It was just, and suddenly two Orthodox Jews stopped and listened to him and they said that's talking about us, and I'm not going to be.
• 15:37
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, it would make no sense in that context.
• 15:40
  Emeal Zwane: You see verses too within Isaiah that make a differentiation between and usually they'll say that because it says the servant of the Lord, and there's times when Israel is called the servant of the Lord.
• 15:50
  Emeal Zwane: But you see in there where there's a differentiation made between Israel and the servant.
• 15:57
  Ray Comfort: They're mentioned both within the same text.
• 15:58
  Ray Comfort: Are you going to read it to us?
• 16:01
  Emeal Zwane: Isaiah 53?
• 16:02
  Emeal Zwane: I know, hey, scotty, I'm hearing the resonance in my voice.
• 16:05
  Emeal Zwane: Now it's coming back.
• 16:09
  Ray Comfort: We've got 40 minutes of easy talking I want to talk more.
• 16:11
  Emeal Zwane: We've been trying to adjust these mics.
• 16:12
  Emeal Zwane: But yes, you're right, Ray, we go back to 52.
• 16:16
  Emeal Zwane: Unfortunately, sometimes, you know, with verse breaks we don't get full context.
• 16:21
  Ray Comfort: What was the coffee break in the Old?
• 16:23
  Emeal Zwane: Testament.
• 16:24
  Emeal Zwane: But let me just say this real quick and then I'll let you guys jump in.
• 16:28
  Emeal Zwane: I see Oscar there.
• 16:29
  Emeal Zwane: Just I'm not ready to jump in, but I listened to a great sermon by MacArthur on this, so a number of the things I'm going to share come from that.
• 16:37
  Emeal Zwane: But he highlighted the fact that Isaiah is really kind of split into two.
• 16:42
  Emeal Zwane: So you have chapters 1 to 39, and those are dealing with God's judgment on the southern kingdom of Judah.
• 16:48
  Emeal Zwane: They had gone really bad.
• 16:51
  Emeal Zwane: God had talked to Judah about how they went further than even the pagan Gentile nations went.
• 16:57
  Emeal Zwane: And then we know that in the captivity to Babylon there were three phases in that regard.
• 17:02
  Emeal Zwane: And then chapters 40 to 66 deal with salvation for Israel and starting in chapter 42, that's where we see the servant of Jehovah being mentioned.
• 17:12
  Emeal Zwane: And then it culminates in chapter 52, there at the end, and then into 53.
• 17:16
  Emeal Zwane: And Isaiah has been called the gospel of the Old Testament.
• 17:20
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, spurgeon, I think it might have been Spurgeon, I'm sure others as well, and it's pretty interesting when you look at it right.
• 17:27
  Emeal Zwane: So when you start at chapter 40, verse 3, the salvation section, it says in verse 3, the voice of one crying in the wilderness.
• 17:34
  Emeal Zwane: Prepare the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for God.
• 17:37
  Emeal Zwane: And that's how some of the books in the New Testament open up, right with John the Baptist that was referencing him.
• 17:44
  Emeal Zwane: We see that in Mark 3, 1, luke 3, 4 to 6.
• 17:47
  Emeal Zwane: Then at the end of Isaiah, chapter 66, we read this for as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before me, says the Lord, so shall your descendants and your name remain.
• 17:59
  Emeal Zwane: And then we see in Revelation 21 and 22,.
• 18:01
  Emeal Zwane: That's how the New Testament closes.
• 18:03
  Emeal Zwane: All right, revelation 21, 1,.
• 18:05
  Emeal Zwane: Now I say a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth have passed away.
• 18:09
  Emeal Zwane: And so it's just amazing that parallel, and that's why I think some reference it as a gospel.
• 18:14
  Emeal Zwane: All right, your turn, guys.
• 18:16
  Emeal Zwane: No we're good.
• 18:18
  Ray Comfort: When are you going to read it?
• 18:20
  Emeal Zwane: I will, but I want to see if anyone else has something to say first.
• 18:23
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah Well, I mean, I think it's important to not get ahead of our skis before we get into God's word, especially because we start.
• 18:31
  Oscar Navarro: You've never heard of that one before.
• 18:33
  Ray Comfort: No, ahead of our skis.
• 18:34
  Oscar Navarro: That's when you break a leg.
• 18:35
  Oscar Navarro: If you jump off a ramp skiing and your head goes in front of your skis, you're in trouble.
• 18:40
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah.
• 18:41
  Ray Comfort: Well, it's off his, come off your shoulders.
• 18:42
  Ray Comfort: That's why, yeah, it's easy.
• 18:44
  Emeal Zwane: It almost happened to me.
• 18:46
  Oscar Navarro: No, so we don't want to get ahead of our skis.
• 18:47
  Oscar Navarro: I think Easy brings up a really good first point, and I think there's two points that we need to lay sort of a foundation for before we get into it.
• 18:54
  Oscar Navarro: Point number one, which is what Easy's doing, is the sum total of the book of Isaiah.
• 19:01
  Oscar Navarro: You want to read Isaiah 53 within the context of the book of Isaiah.
• 19:04
  Oscar Navarro: And then the second point is the nature of prophecy, since we're focusing specifically on the prophetic nature of Isaiah.
• 19:14
  Oscar Navarro: So point one, just to summarize what Easy is alluding to, which is where, where does the book of Isaiah fit in the grand narrative of redemptive history?
• 19:24
  Oscar Navarro: It sits within a Babylonian exile, and it's important to recognize that.
• 19:31
  Oscar Navarro: As Isaiah writes, as actually all of the authors of the Old Testament wrote, they saw themselves in the context of the Exodus story, and so everything related both back to the Exodus story and it alluded to something looking forward of a new kind of Exodus.
• 19:52
  Oscar Navarro: And so you almost have like three Exodus stories happening, interwoven with each other.
• 19:57
  Oscar Navarro: You've got the Exodus story with Moses and God's people from Pharaoh, and then you've got this new Exodus story in which Isaiah and the Jewish people are being exiled to Babylon and they're waiting for a new kind of Exodus where they will return back to the Promised Land, and they're repeating all of the similar sins that were happening in Egypt.
• 20:19
  Oscar Navarro: People were getting comfortable, they were becoming too much like the culture around them.
• 20:24
  Oscar Navarro: They weren't living faithfully as exiles to the glory of God.
• 20:28
  Oscar Navarro: Once they are removed from exile and headed towards the Promised Land, they very quickly forget about the goodness of God and his salvific work in their lives.
• 20:37
  Oscar Navarro: So he's talking about past tense the Exodus story present tense, the Babylonian story.
• 20:43
  Oscar Navarro: But he's also talking about a future exile in which we are living post resurrection of Jesus, in which we are living as sojourners and exiles in this world, waiting for the second coming of Christ.
• 20:57
  Oscar Navarro: And so all of these things are sort of at play in one story, which also leads me to the idea of prophecy.
• 21:05
  Oscar Navarro: I think, unfortunately, a lot of people think of prophecy as, like this fortune telling.
• 21:13
  Oscar Navarro: Like you know, there's these codes and so they try to use, like they try to build their own Excel spreadsheets and they try to create a rubric to be able to go look, I've, I've calculated out of the prophetic words and, and here's the, the, the sum total conclusion, whether that's prophetic language towards Jesus or future prophetic language, and that's simply not the way Isaiah or any other prophet would want you to read what they wrote.
• 21:42
  Oscar Navarro: That's also not the way Christians in the in the New Testament or Jews in the Old Testament would have read prophecy.
• 21:51
  Oscar Navarro: The biggest clue is they didn't have Excel Right.
• 21:56
  Oscar Navarro: So step one you're doing something wrong, but more than that, what they saw.
• 22:00
  Oscar Navarro: Instead of trying to think of prophecy as a rubric, they saw prophecy as a way of understanding the role or the place in which they were in God's redemptive story.
• 22:13
  Oscar Navarro: And so all of these Old Testament stories are how Christians and Jews would understand their own story.
• 22:23
  Oscar Navarro: It's it's put it this way the Exodus story is to the New Testament and Old Testament people, what pop culture is to us today.
• 22:33
  Oscar Navarro: It's how they told their own story.
• 22:35
  Oscar Navarro: So here's the best example that I can give, and then I'll shut up.
• 22:38
  Oscar Navarro: In basketball culture, we've got stories and we tell our own stories in the context of basketball stories.
• 22:45
  Oscar Navarro: So imagine one day you and I are going to go play basketball easy and I say I'm gonna put up 81 on you today easily.
• 22:52
  Oscar Navarro: But what would that?
• 22:54
  Oscar Navarro: What would 81?
• 22:55
  Oscar Navarro: What is, what is the?
• 22:56
  Oscar Navarro: What do you know what?
• 22:56
  Oscar Navarro: 81 references in basketball culture?
• 22:59
  Oscar Navarro: 81 points, kobe Bryant oh, yeah, right.
• 23:02
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah.
• 23:02
  Oscar Navarro: So here's the thing if somebody heard me and they misinterpreted my language, they'd be like, oh, that's prophecy.
• 23:10
  Oscar Navarro: Oscar's gonna put up 81 points against easy.
• 23:12
  Oscar Navarro: And let's say I don't, I only put up 20.
• 23:14
  Oscar Navarro: Then they would have to reinterpret.
• 23:16
  Oscar Navarro: Well, maybe he meant he's gonna, over the sum total of all the games they play, put up 81 points.
• 23:21
  Oscar Navarro: And then, if they didn't get that, they'd think, oh well, maybe Oscar's Descendants would put up 81 points against easy's descendants.
• 23:27
  Oscar Navarro: You see, they would be Misinterpreting the language that I was using.
• 23:31
  Oscar Navarro: What I was trying to do was use Culture to tell a story that I wanted to demolish you.
• 23:36
  Oscar Navarro: In that same way, the, the authors of prophecy, are using Old Testament language to tell a new story.
• 23:44
  Oscar Navarro: That's how we have to read prophecy.
• 23:47
  Oscar Navarro: That's how we should read Isaiah 53.
• 23:49
  Oscar Navarro: So that's the rubric, that's the narrative.
• 23:52
  Oscar Navarro: I did not rubric.
• 23:56
  Ray Comfort: I had to look it up did you codex mark easy you know what rubric is yes, yeah, of course, Oscar.
• 24:01
  Emeal Zwane: What if I said I was gonna put a hundred on you?
• 24:03
  Emeal Zwane: What would that be from?
• 24:05
  Oscar Navarro: that would be Will Chamberlain.
• 24:07
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah good, all right, enough of that.
• 24:10
  Emeal Zwane: No good stuff, oscar, thanks for giving us that back.
• 24:13
  Emeal Zwane: Oh, all right, here we go, isaiah, begin again, again in 52, 13 to 15, and then we'll jump in there.
• 24:19
  Ray Comfort: You're going to a deep voice about.
• 24:23
  Emeal Zwane: Behold, my servant shall deal prudently.
• 24:25
  Emeal Zwane: He shall be exalted and extolled, and very high.
• 24:28
  Emeal Zwane: Just as many were astonished at you, so his visage was marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men, so shall he sprinkle.
• 24:36
  Emeal Zwane: Many nations, kings shall shut their mouths at him, for what had not been told, then they shall see, and what they had not heard they shall consider.
• 24:46
  Emeal Zwane: Now, in dies a, f53, verse 1, who has believed our report and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
• 24:53
  Emeal Zwane: For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant and as a shoot out of dry ground.
• 24:57
  Emeal Zwane: He has no form or comeliness, and when we see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
• 25:03
  Emeal Zwane: He is despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, and we hid, as it were, our faces from him.
• 25:10
  Emeal Zwane: He was despised and we did not esteem him.
• 25:13
  Emeal Zwane: Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows.
• 25:16
  Emeal Zwane: Yet we esteemed him.
• 25:18
  Emeal Zwane: Stricken, smitten by God and afflicted.
• 25:21
  Emeal Zwane: But he was wounded for our transgressions.
• 25:23
  Emeal Zwane: He was bruised for our iniquities.
• 25:25
  Emeal Zwane: The chastisement for our peace was upon him, and by his stripes we are healed.
• 25:31
  Emeal Zwane: All we, like sheep, have gone astray.
• 25:33
  Emeal Zwane: We have turned everyone to his own way and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
• 25:39
  Emeal Zwane: He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth.
• 25:43
  Emeal Zwane: He was led as a lamb to the slaughter and as a sheep before it shares a silent.
• 25:47
  Emeal Zwane: So he opened not his mouth.
• 25:49
  Emeal Zwane: He was taken from prison and from judgment.
• 25:52
  Emeal Zwane: And who will declare his generation?
• 25:54
  Emeal Zwane: He was cut off from the land of the living for the transgression of my people.
• 25:59
  Emeal Zwane: He was stricken and they gave his grave with the wicked, but with the rich at his death, because he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth, yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him.
• 26:11
  Emeal Zwane: He was put, he has put him to grief when you make his soul an offering for sin.
• 26:16
  Emeal Zwane: He shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
• 26:22
  Emeal Zwane: He shall see the labor of his soul and be satisfied by his knowledge.
• 26:26
  Emeal Zwane: My righteous servant will justify many, for he shall bear their iniquities.
• 26:30
  Emeal Zwane: Therefore I will divide him a portion with the great and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul unto death and he was numbered with the transgressors and he bore the sin of many and Made intercession for the transgressors.
• 26:46
  Emeal Zwane: Whoo, how many times do we read that, you know?
• 26:51
  Emeal Zwane: But still, every time it's filled with so much freshness and I think that deeper mind are of what Christ endured.
• 27:01
  Emeal Zwane: For us, it's all about the cross.
• 27:04
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, the horror of the cross.
• 27:05
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, and you know, isaiah itself is cited 13 times in the 27 books of the New Testament, and then Isaiah 53 in particular is cited in Matthew, mark, luke, john, acts, romans and 1st Peter, and We've talked about this before.
• 27:23
  Emeal Zwane: You know, there are some who will look at Old Testament prophecy again, like Isaiah, like Oscar alluded to, and, because of their understanding of how it works, we'll say, oh, no, no, this couldn't have applied to Jesus.
• 27:35
  Emeal Zwane: But we have to remember that the New Testament, through divine inspiration, validates for us what God placed within the Old Testament pages as a Prophecy.
• 27:45
  Emeal Zwane: So there's no questioning it, there's no, oh, I wonder.
• 27:47
  Emeal Zwane: That validates it completely.
• 27:48
  Emeal Zwane: And so we need to have confidence in that regard and we need to be able to to share this right.
• 27:55
  Emeal Zwane: Have you ever, in evangelism, shared Isaiah 53 with a Jew?
• 28:00
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, and what's been the response?
• 28:02
  Emeal Zwane: Wonderful From them, I remember.
• 28:07
  Ray Comfort: I just a video just got up with Reuben, the Jewish math professor.
• 28:11
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, and we, we talked about it, and we, we talked about it, and I mentioned Isaiah 53 and how it speaks of a man.
• 28:17
  Ray Comfort: It doesn't speak of the nation of Israel, and he was just saying wow, and this is a Jew saying wow, as I quoted Isaiah and Psalm 2 no, by the way, if you have not listened or if you have not seen that video, I really urge you to go to youtube and look it up.
• 28:33
  Oscar Navarro: It is really Really good.
• 28:36
  Oscar Navarro: The man almost begs for salvation at the end of the, at the end of the interview.
• 28:41
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah it really was one of the best I think you've ever done.
• 28:44
  Emeal Zwane: Right Now, mark, I want you to jump in on this, but but let's, let's remember what we're told in Luke.
• 28:50
  Emeal Zwane: This is 24, 25 to 27.
• 28:53
  Emeal Zwane: This is on the road to Emmaus.
• 28:54
  Emeal Zwane: So then he said to them oh, foolish ones and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken.
• 28:59
  Emeal Zwane: Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into his glory?
• 29:04
  Emeal Zwane: And, beginning at moses and all the prophets, which would include isaac, he expounded to them and all the scriptures of things concerning himself, and then, and verses 44 and 46 through 46 says then he said to them these are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of moses and the prophets and the Psalms Concerning me, and he opened their understanding that they might comprehend the scriptures.
• 29:31
  Ray Comfort: And they go hop in.
• 29:34
  Mark Spence: Yeah, the first case of harpern Um Gregory of Nazarene's, this, I don't know if I pronounced that correctly in 83.
• 29:41
  Mark Spence: In referring to jesus I I sent this to easy.
• 29:45
  Mark Spence: Earlier today in a text it just stood out to me.
• 29:48
  Mark Spence: He said now, bear in mind the year is 381.
• 29:52
  Mark Spence: I like the inside of this.
• 29:53
  Mark Spence: He said he began his ministry by being hungry, yet he's the bread of life.
• 29:57
  Mark Spence: And he ended his earthly ministry by being thirsty, yet he is the living water.
• 30:01
  Mark Spence: Jesus was weary, yet he is our rest.
• 30:04
  Mark Spence: And jesus paid tribute, yet he's the king.
• 30:08
  Mark Spence: Jesus was accused of having a demon, yet he cast out demons.
• 30:12
  Mark Spence: Jesus wept, yet he wipes away our tears.
• 30:16
  Mark Spence: Jesus was sold for 30 pieces of silver, yet he redeemed the world.
• 30:21
  Mark Spence: Jesus was brought as a lamb to the slaughter, yet he is the good shepherd.
• 30:25
  Mark Spence: And jesus died, yet by his death he destroyed the power of death.
• 30:31
  Mark Spence: Hmm, that is a wall.
• 30:33
  Ray Comfort: No, yeah, that's 381.
• 30:36
  Emeal Zwane: Oh, that's so good.
• 30:37
  Emeal Zwane: Uh, I love what james on gummery boys said.
• 30:39
  Emeal Zwane: He said the cross stands as the focal point of the christian faith.
• 30:43
  Emeal Zwane: Without the cross, the bible is an enigma and the gospel of salvation is an empty hope.
• 30:47
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, it all goes back to the cross and I think that you know, like paul said, I, you know, I knew nothing among you except jesus christ and him crucified.
• 30:57
  Emeal Zwane: You know that, that heartbeat behind what fuels us as believers, recognizing that it all revolved around the cross, that was the, the, the pinnacle of all of god's Redemptive history.
• 31:12
  Emeal Zwane: You know for mankind that that was laid out ahead of time, and and he did that.
• 31:16
  Emeal Zwane: You know for us, and so you know what I'd like to do.
• 31:19
  Emeal Zwane: Piper, uh, john piper, broke it down one, one pipe, yeah, that's.
• 31:24
  Emeal Zwane: He broke down, uh, isaia 53, and I want us to just look at each little point here and just talk about it.
• 31:32
  Emeal Zwane: So first he talked about the.
• 31:34
  Emeal Zwane: The servant, uh, the servant, he said, knew the purposes of the lord.
• 31:39
  Emeal Zwane: He said in the middle of verse 11, it says by his knowledge, the righteous one, my servant, will justify the many.
• 31:45
  Emeal Zwane: Why?
• 31:46
  Emeal Zwane: Why does by his, what does by his knowledge mean?
• 31:49
  Emeal Zwane: It means that the first work of the servant was a work of knowing.
• 31:52
  Emeal Zwane: It means that the servant was not taken off guard by the will of the lord to crush him.
• 31:56
  Emeal Zwane: He knew it and he agreed with it.
• 31:58
  Emeal Zwane: So, guys, we know in Gethsemane Jesus was Crying out to the father if there's any way, this cup can pass from me but ultimately we know that was Christ kind of manifesting, you know, the realities of the cross that was coming and the wrath of God that he was going to bear and the separation from the Father, whatever that really means.
• 32:23
  Emeal Zwane: It's hard for us to fully comprehend it.
• 32:24
  Emeal Zwane: But he knew, he had knowledge that that was his mission.
• 32:27
  Emeal Zwane: He was born so that he might die and so let's just talk about that a little bit.
• 32:35
  Emeal Zwane: I mean every episode that we see in Scripture.
• 32:39
  Emeal Zwane: Christ was aware of the fact he was going to Christ.
• 32:41
  Emeal Zwane: In fact he would tell the disciples and they didn't understand it.
• 32:45
  Emeal Zwane: They were detached from it.
• 32:48
  Oscar Navarro: He was born knowing that he might die.
• 32:50
  Oscar Navarro: That's really good.
• 32:52
  Oscar Navarro: And I think, isaiah, what you see Isaiah do is that he alludes to Abraham and Isaac here in these last chapters.
• 33:01
  Oscar Navarro: This is amazing.
• 33:02
  Oscar Navarro: This is from a book that I have found to be very helpful, by James Hamilton in typology, understanding the Bible's promise shape pattern.
• 33:11
  Oscar Navarro: So he points out, he says and if you notice, in Genesis 22, verse one God calls on Abraham.
• 33:18
  Oscar Navarro: Abraham replies here I am.
• 33:21
  Oscar Navarro: And Genesis 22, verse seven Isaac calls on Abraham, abraham replies here I am.
• 33:28
  Oscar Navarro: Genesis 22, 11, the angel of the Lord calls on Abraham.
• 33:32
  Oscar Navarro: Abraham replies here I am.
• 33:35
  Oscar Navarro: And then he points out in Isaiah 52, verse six so just before 53, it says this therefore, my people will know my name.
• 33:44
  Oscar Navarro: Therefore, on that day, they will know that I am the one who says here I am.
• 33:50
  Oscar Navarro: He goes on to say that, when joined with the other pointers to the narratives of Abraham and Isaac, in the immediate context this statement seems to be saying Yahweh telling his people that he will play the role of the Father in Genesis 22 narratives, saying as Abraham did here I am.
• 34:09
  Oscar Navarro: In other words, what Isaiah is pointing out is that Jesus is the better Isaac, in that Isaac was spared, but Jesus would not be spared.
• 34:21
  Oscar Navarro: His blood would be spilled.
• 34:23
  Oscar Navarro: The one and only Son, the precious one.
• 34:26
  Oscar Navarro: His blood would be spilled for the salvation of the people.
• 34:32
  Emeal Zwane: And Ray, I'd love you to just comment on this for a moment.
• 34:34
  Emeal Zwane: Jesus said no one takes my life from me.
• 34:37
  Emeal Zwane: I willingly lay it down.
• 34:40
  Emeal Zwane: I mean the willingness of Christ to do what he did for us.
• 34:45
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, which is the essence of servanthood.
• 34:48
  Ray Comfort: He was an absolute servant.
• 34:49
  Ray Comfort: Behold my servant, god says.
• 34:52
  Ray Comfort: And when Jesus was baptized it was so.
• 34:55
  Ray Comfort: God, if I may say this, couldn't hold back his joy and saying this is my beloved Son and whom I am well pleased.
• 35:03
  Ray Comfort: And I often look at the words of Jesus where he said I always do those things that please him.
• 35:09
  Ray Comfort: What human being could say that there's nothing we do that can please God?
• 35:13
  Ray Comfort: Even our righteous Deedra is filthy rags in his sight.
• 35:16
  Ray Comfort: And here was the willing servant who came to lay down his own will and do the will of the Father not my will, but yours be done for our redemption.
• 35:26
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, mark, oftentimes we forget that the servanthood of Christ was tied to his crucifixion.
• 35:32
  Emeal Zwane: I mean even Scripture says.
• 35:34
  Emeal Zwane: I mean he did not come to serve, but to serve and to give his life are ransom for many, even in Hebrews, where it talks about the humility of Christ.
• 35:46
  Emeal Zwane: He took the form of a bond servant, coming in the license of men and became obedient, even to the point of death.
• 35:50
  Emeal Zwane: So I mean that's his service toward us.
• 35:54
  Mark Spence: Yeah, and that's the picture of humility and meekness all wrapped up into one.
• 35:58
  Mark Spence: You know, when we read Isaiah 53, we see the suffering that is foretold of the Messiah to come.
• 36:04
  Mark Spence: And I was reading a commentary earlier and he was talking about Jesus being called the man of sorrows because of how much suffering he had to endure, and he broke it down into three different sections and because of time we won't be able to get into all this.
• 36:18
  Mark Spence: But he brings out the fact that he first left the glories of heaven and he entered the human race as a man.
• 36:24
  Mark Spence: This is what is known as the incarnation and, as the old hymn says, the Creator had woven himself a robe of virgin flesh.
• 36:34
  Mark Spence: Wow, what picturesque language that is put on there, right?
• 36:38
  Mark Spence: Yeah, cs Lewis said the central miracle asserted by Christians is the incarnation.
• 36:43
  Mark Spence: They say that God became a man, and that flies in the face of all the other religions.
• 36:49
  Mark Spence: Right, because religions are filled with man's desire to want to either elevate themselves to God or how man is God himself.
• 36:58
  Mark Spence: But Christianity is how God became a man and this is, according to the commentator, the first act of suffering that Jesus endured as he became one of us.
• 37:10
  Mark Spence: Right?
• 37:12
  Mark Spence: And the second point he said was he suffered all the things that humanity suffers.
• 37:16
  Mark Spence: He suffered rejection, he suffered hunger and thirst, he suffered temptation when he was out in the wilderness for the 40 days, he was misunderstood and he was accused of being demon possessed.
• 37:29
  Mark Spence: Right.
• 37:29
  Mark Spence: So he understands the suffering that we will go through.
• 37:33
  Mark Spence: He understands the temptations that we experience.
• 37:36
  Mark Spence: And then, finally, thirdly, he suffered the wrath of God as the sin bearer.
• 37:42
  Mark Spence: And we talk to non-Christians all the time about the implications of this.
• 37:48
  Mark Spence: If you do not turn to Christ in faith and realize that the wrath of the Father came down upon the Son and in so doing, it satisfied the demands of the law, or you got to do it yourself.
• 37:58
  Mark Spence: Well, what does that mean?
• 38:00
  Mark Spence: To do it yourself?
• 38:01
  Mark Spence: And the commentator went on to say every sinful action that man commits is being stored in a celestial drawer that will come out on judgment day, and when God puts his hand on that knob and opens that door, you will fall to the ground.
• 38:19
  Mark Spence: That's good, I mean.
• 38:21
  Mark Spence: Well, that's like that.
• 38:22
  Mark Spence: Right, there is picturesque.
• 38:23
  Mark Spence: And that is a scary, scary thought, because every idol word, man speaks.
• 38:27
  Mark Spence: You have to give him a camera.
• 38:29
  Oscar Navarro: I love the opening of that, in the sense that it's so important to realize that Jesus suffered greatly and, to your point, I mean, I think, one of the most telling things too, because people often don't want to talk about the wrath of God, they don't want to talk about the reality of hell, and you alluded to the undeniable fact that you must talk about it because, to your point, jesus suffered but he did not say my God, my God, take this starvation from me.
• 38:56
  Oscar Navarro: He did not say take these nails from me.
• 39:00
  Oscar Navarro: He did not say take this crown of thorns.
• 39:02
  Oscar Navarro: He did not say take this cross.
• 39:03
  Oscar Navarro: He said take this cup.
• 39:05
  Oscar Navarro: What cup was he talking about?
• 39:08
  Oscar Navarro: All throughout the Old Testament, the cup is a representation of the fullness of the wrath of God, in other words, the one out of all of the suffering that Jesus experienced.
• 39:18
  Oscar Navarro: The one thing that his focus, his primary focus, was on was the wrath of God.
• 39:24
  Oscar Navarro: That was the greatest of suffering that Jesus was going to take on, which means his death is not just a symbolic representation of love and sacrifice.
• 39:34
  Oscar Navarro: It is a substitutionary atonement.
• 39:38
  Oscar Navarro: He took on the fullness of the wrath of God.
• 39:42
  Oscar Navarro: He who knew no sin became sin so that we sinners could experience and live within his righteousness.
• 39:50
  Mark Spence: Let me comment on that.
• 39:51
  Mark Spence: I absolutely love that Our friend is over at G-3, Josh Beis he wrote an article.
• 39:58
  Oscar Navarro: I have been saying Beis this whole time.
• 40:00
  Oscar Navarro: It is Beis.
• 40:04
  Mark Spence: He wrote an article on the wrath of God that is found over at their website, g3menorg.
• 40:09
  Mark Spence: This is what he said concerning the wrath of God.
• 40:12
  Mark Spence: He said in some circles today, the love of God is elevated above the wrath of God with clear emphasis.
• 40:18
  Mark Spence: That is a tragic mistake.
• 40:20
  Mark Spence: It does not reveal the true nature and revelation of God as he has put on display in the pages of Scripture.
• 40:26
  Mark Spence: We must be balanced and true to what God's word actually states.
• 40:30
  Mark Spence: God is not a loose cannon losing his temper with people.
• 40:34
  Mark Spence: God's wrath is not a reckless rage, an uncontrollable anger, a senseless fury or an unjust vengeance.
• 40:43
  Mark Spence: The wrath of God is a precise and controlled response to the belittling of his holiness.
• 40:50
  Mark Spence: Everyone who perishes under the wrath of God in eternity will not be because God lost his temper with them and mistreated them.
• 41:00
  Mark Spence: On that day, everyone will know that God has treated them with precise justice.
• 41:05
  Mark Spence: Three trillion years into eternity, every sinner who is cast into hell will still know that God has never mistreated anyone.
• 41:16
  Mark Spence: I applaud.
• 41:19
  Emeal Zwane: Josh for that.
• 41:19
  Emeal Zwane: Wow, that is really powerful, ray.
• 41:23
  Emeal Zwane: The second point that John Piper highlights is the servant poured out himself to death.
• 41:28
  Emeal Zwane: I will emphasize his death there.
• 41:32
  Emeal Zwane: You talk often about death and how people are held captive by it all their lives and you know, we know we're going to die.
• 41:41
  Emeal Zwane: But think of Christ, who is the eternal God, knowing that he's going to experience something that in reality is an impossibility for God to experience right in the fullness of his essence.
• 41:54
  Emeal Zwane: He was coming to die.
• 41:55
  Emeal Zwane: I mean, the thought of that is mind-blowing.
• 42:00
  Emeal Zwane: Don't you tie that ultimately to his love for us, that he'd be willing to do that?
• 42:05
  Ray Comfort: You can't separate his love from the cross.
• 42:08
  Ray Comfort: When we minister the love of God, it's so important to preach it in the context of the cross.
• 42:14
  Ray Comfort: So many comments.
• 42:15
  Ray Comfort: People say, like you're on YouTube channel, you're just unloving.
• 42:19
  Ray Comfort: And the goodness of God brings us to repentance.
• 42:22
  Ray Comfort: I like to say check out that verse in Romans, chapter two, where it speaks of the goodness of God brings us to repentance.
• 42:28
  Ray Comfort: It's sandwiched in wrath.
• 42:30
  Ray Comfort: Paul is speaking wrath-filled words when he mentions that and it's God's grace and his goodness that draws us.
• 42:36
  Ray Comfort: I love what a preacher once said, talking about Jesus suffering on the cross and then rising from the dead and victory over death.
• 42:43
  Ray Comfort: And Harry kicked over the throne of Satan, snatched the keys from him and said behold, I'm he that lives and was dead, and I'm alive forevermore and have the keys to death and hell.
• 42:53
  Ray Comfort: Just looking at verse three, where it says we hit, as it were, our faces from him, speaking of humanity hating the light, and when you hide your face, you don't want it in your vision.
• 43:07
  Ray Comfort: Get out of my peripheral, which reminded me.
• 43:12
  Emeal Zwane: I know exactly where you're going.
• 43:14
  Ray Comfort: Brian Reagan, walking through the stand-up community, walking through the first class, and looking at people who have got their little laptops and they're saying I'm making money right now, right now.
• 43:24
  Ray Comfort: And he says right now, bring me the head of a pig or something.
• 43:28
  Ray Comfort: And then he says, get out of my peripheral because we're the riffraff going through first class.
• 43:33
  Ray Comfort: And he says, get behind that curtain and pull that curtain across.
• 43:36
  Ray Comfort: And that's how people are with Jesus.
• 43:38
  Ray Comfort: They don't want to talk about them, they want to think about them.
• 43:40
  Ray Comfort: He's not in their thoughts, they hide their faces from them, and it's because of the guilt of this sin.
• 43:46
  Oscar Navarro: Wow, although the way you put it easy and it's actually what you just said is this stumbling block was and still is the stumbling block for so many Jewish people it's the idea that a God, that God, would die.
• 44:00
  Oscar Navarro: That was the thing that was.
• 44:02
  Oscar Navarro: So you know this.
• 44:03
  Oscar Navarro: This idea that God dies is a scandalous idea.
• 44:07
  Ray Comfort: Same with Muslim Muslim they're offended.
• 44:09
  Oscar Navarro: That's exactly right.
• 44:10
  Oscar Navarro: It's this great scandal that feels unimaginable.
• 44:15
  Oscar Navarro: And yet it's the beauty.
• 44:18
  Oscar Navarro: It is scandal, it is a scandalous act.
• 44:20
  Oscar Navarro: It is the beauty and the reality of the gospel.
• 44:22
  Oscar Navarro: I love the way.
• 44:23
  Oscar Navarro: One of my favorite books on church history I know I've quoted it before on this podcast Bruce Shelley's book church history and plain language, the opening line to the book, which is one of the best openers I've ever read Christianity is the only major religion to have at its central event the humiliation of its God.
• 44:42
  Oscar Navarro: Wow.
• 44:42
  Oscar Navarro: And it's that's a reality.
• 44:45
  Oscar Navarro: That's the scandal that holds people so many back.
• 44:47
  Oscar Navarro: We get it.
• 44:48
  Oscar Navarro: It is a scandalous act, and yet it's also the most loving act that's ever been done.
• 44:54
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, I mean, it flies in the face of everything this world stands for.
• 44:58
  Emeal Zwane: It's so counterintuitive.
• 44:59
  Emeal Zwane: You know, yesterday I came across a video of an interview back in, I think, 1959 with the novelist Anne Rand as she wrote the book Atlas Shrugged.
• 45:12
  Emeal Zwane: What a wicked, evil woman.
• 45:14
  Oscar Navarro: Let me just say that that book when I was in the financial industry, that book was so popular, yeah it was like the book to read.
• 45:21
  Emeal Zwane: Yeah, she's a very wicked woman.
• 45:23
  Emeal Zwane: And basically she was saying she's creating a new philosophy and saying that this whole concept of altruism, of laying your life down for other people, it's a bunch of nonsense.
• 45:36
  Emeal Zwane: And I think it was Wallace.
• 45:39
  Emeal Zwane: He was interviewing her and he said to her he said what are you talking about?
• 45:43
  Emeal Zwane: Back in that day, right, that people had some sanity compared to today.
• 45:47
  Emeal Zwane: And he goes to her this is the foundation of our culture.
• 45:52
  Emeal Zwane: And he talked to her about Christ.
• 45:54
  Emeal Zwane: He said based on the teachings of Christ, that we lay our lives down, we love people, we give our lives away for others and basically she went on this rant about how only people who deserve love should be given love.
• 46:07
  Emeal Zwane: I mean, this stuff was insane.
• 46:08
  Emeal Zwane: This book sold like 10 million copies.
• 46:10
  Emeal Zwane: One of the biggest selling books of all time, but it flies again in the face of the world.
• 46:16
  Emeal Zwane: It goes against everything the world stands for.
• 46:19
  Emeal Zwane: But this shows all the more the wicked, sinful, fallen nature of man.
• 46:25
  Emeal Zwane: It's all about self versus a life that's given over to serve others.
• 46:31
  Mark Spence: I want to quickly read a hymn that I was listening to earlier today by Philip Bliss.
• 46:36
  Mark Spence: He was from 1838 to 1876.
• 46:39
  Mark Spence: He was an American hymnist, composer evangelist and teacher.
• 46:42
  Mark Spence: He was also a contemporary of DL Moody in Fanny Crosby.
• 46:47
  Mark Spence: So the hymn goes like this man of Sorrows, what a name for the Son of God who came ruined sinners to reclaim Alleluia.
• 46:57
  Mark Spence: What a savior.
• 46:58
  Mark Spence: Bearing shame and scoffing rud in my place, condemned he stood, sealed, my pardon, with his blood.
• 47:04
  Mark Spence: Hallelujah, what a savior.
• 47:06
  Mark Spence: Guilty, vile and helpless, we spotless Lamb of God, was he full atonement?
• 47:13
  Mark Spence: Can it be?
• 47:14
  Mark Spence: Hallelujah, what a savior.
• 47:16
  Mark Spence: Lifted up, was he to die?
• 47:18
  Mark Spence: It is finished.
• 47:19
  Mark Spence: Was his cry now in heaven, exalted high?
• 47:23
  Mark Spence: Hallelujah, what a savior.
• 47:25
  Mark Spence: And when he comes, our glorious King, all his ransomed home, to bring then anew this song, will sing Hallelujah, what a savior.
• 47:37
  Emeal Zwane: Wow, that's so good.
• 47:39
  Emeal Zwane: Wow, what a great place to end.
• 47:42
  Emeal Zwane: Mark, you know we can't go through all that pipe or laid out here.
• 47:46
  Emeal Zwane: Talk about the servant bore the sins of many.
• 47:47
  Emeal Zwane: The servant rose from the dead.
• 47:48
  Emeal Zwane: The servant interceded for transgressors.
• 47:51
  Emeal Zwane: The servant justifies as people servant bears the offspring and his death and resurrection and divides the booty with the strong.
• 47:58
  Emeal Zwane: But there's so much there.
• 48:00
  Emeal Zwane: I mean how we really should have done like four episodes on this.
• 48:04
  Emeal Zwane: But, mark, that was so good and I hope that that we keep what Christ did at the very center.
• 48:11
  Emeal Zwane: I D A Carson put it well.
• 48:13
  Emeal Zwane: He said I fear that the cross, without ever being disowned, is constantly in danger of being dismissed from the central place it must enjoy by relatively peripheral insights that take on far too much weight Whenever the periphery is in danger of displacing the center.
• 48:32
  Emeal Zwane: We are not far removed from idolatry.
• 48:34
  Emeal Zwane: So may we keep the cross the center.
• 48:37
  Emeal Zwane: May we recognize that what happened with Jesus was not accidental.
• 48:42
  Emeal Zwane: It was a preordained plan of God.
• 48:44
  Emeal Zwane: It is the very basis for our redemption, and may we continually proclaim the cross.
• 48:52
  Emeal Zwane: May we lift up Jesus as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness so that he, through his death, as Isaiah prophesied, would draw all men unto himself.
• 49:01
  Emeal Zwane: Well, there you have it, friends.
• 49:04
  Emeal Zwane: Another one for the history books.
• 49:07
  Ray Comfort: Boy, I thought there's going to be no silliness after you just said all that.
• 49:11
  Emeal Zwane: No, I think we can do a little bit of that.
• 49:13
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• 49:23
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• 50:03
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• 50:04
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• 50:07
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• 50:09
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