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Bluidy Mackenzie · Boozy Banter with Friends

• 0:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hello and welcome to boozy banter,
• 0:20
  Diane Black: With friends.
• 0:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: I'm Leyla.
• 0:22
  Trisha Smith: I'm Trisha.
• 0:23
  Diane Black: I'm Diane
• 0:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: Grab your favorite spirit and join us because shits about to get real.
• 0:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hello.
• 0:39
  Diane Black: Hello.
• 0:39
  Trisha Smith: Hi.
• 0:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: What's going on?
• 0:44
  Trisha Smith: Nothing I mean, I don't really have new news.
• 0:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: I have news.
• 0:49
  Trisha Smith: What's your news?
• 0:50
  Leyla Zmeskal: We're day drinking.
• 0:52
  Trisha Smith: Yes, we are.
• 0:56
  Diane Black: Surprise.
• 0:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: We have some really good beverages today.
• 1:01
  Trisha Smith: I know, I thought the same thing.
• 1:03
  Diane Black: Yeah.
• 1:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: I mean that's kind of a, I'm excited about our beverages. I'm excited about the story today.
• 1:09
  Diane Black: I know, you've been giving us teasers.
• 1:13
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 1:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well, I think it was really interesting, so I'm excited to share but seeing everybody's drinks, I'm excited for this too. I mean, we came up with some pretty spectacular drinks today.
• 1:23
  Diane Black: We did.
• 1:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think, like each of us. So who wants to begin with their drink?
• 1:28
  Diane Black: I will.
• 1:29
  Trisha Smith: Okay,
• 1:30
  Diane Black: So mine is called the, Green Fairy.
• 1:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oooo.
• 1:35
  Diane Black: It's really simple to make. It is the, Grune ee Absinthe, and it is mixed ith the, Tosca. I use the Tosca rand of Prosecco and pretty much just,
• 1:52
  Trisha Smith: It's very pretty, but it's also Diane's measurements,
• 1:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: Interpertations again.
• 1:59
  Diane Black: It hurt my stomach a little bit this time.
• 2:03
  Trisha Smith: Not a splash, equal parts.
• 2:05
  Diane Black: Yeah. I forgot that the absence has that,
• 2:09
  Trisha Smith: Super strong,
• 2:11
  Diane Black: Black licorice.
• 2:13
  Leyla Zmeskal: Your face when you first took a sip, was like something reached out and bit ya.
• 2:20
  Diane Black: It did.
• 2:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: The fairy bit ya.
• 2:21
  Diane Black: The fairy got me but it is very pretty and it is asty.
• 2:33
  Diane Black: Or two ounces.
• 2:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: But it is a very pretty color.
• 2:35
  Diane Black: Yeah, and yours is.
• 2:38
  Trisha Smith: Also a very pretty color.
• 2:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, so I came up with the, St. Augustine Sunrise. So it's a twist on you know, the traditional sunrise however it's made with the, City Gate Coconut Rum.
• 2:55
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 2:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: As well as the, City Gate, Pineapple Rum, some orange juice and a splash of grenadine.
• 3:02
  Trisha Smith: It's super pretty.
• 3:04
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, it's really pretty and it's really tasty.
• 3:06
  Trisha Smith: Oh, yeah.
• 3:06
  Diane Black: And look like a sunset in the glass.
• 3:10
  Trisha Smith: It does, yeah.
• 3:12
  Diane Black: That was a good one. Trisha, what do you have?
• 3:15
  Trisha Smith: Well, you guys named my drink for me. The Ticky tiki nut. It has coconut rum, nd from City
• 3:19
  Leyla Zmeskal: Tiki Nut.
• 3:27
  Leyla Zmeskal: Gate with the, St. Augustine Distilleries Tiki Mixer, that has a little bit of a coconut, almost like a pina colada taste to it. I topped it off with ginger ale and it's just really light and you know, summer, summer and a glass.
• 3:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: If you're day drinking, you know, it's it's nice easy, summery drink.
• 3:50
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 3:51
  Leyla Zmeskal: I feel like when we do night recordings, I want to go with something, you know, a little warmer like Bourbons and you know, things like that.
• 3:59
  Diane Black: Yeah.
• 3:59
  Leyla Zmeskal: For day drinking.
• 3:59
  Leyla Zmeskal: I want light,
• 4:02
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 4:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: Easy,
• 4:04
  Diane Black: Kind of like my, Green Fairy, is more of a night drink.
• 4:07
  Leyla Zmeskal: Do you think so?
• 4:08
  Diane Black: I do.
• 4:09
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 4:11
  Diane Black: It's,
• 4:13
  Trisha Smith: It looks, very refreshing, but I can imagine with the black licorice it's,
• 4:18
  Diane Black: Yeah.
• 4:19
  Trisha Smith: More on the heavy side.
• 4:21
  Diane Black: Yes,
• 4:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: It is a pretty color though.
• 4:23
  Diane Black: It is very pretty.
• 4:23
  Diane Black: Like a jade, it's like a green water that you would see out in the Gulf.
• 4:32
  Leyla Zmeskal: Like the turquoise green.
• 4:33
  Trisha Smith: Like sea water.
• 4:36
  Diane Black: So it is summery.
• 4:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
• 4:38
  Diane Black: I just wouldn't classify it as a light, it's pretty heavy.
• 4:42
  Trisha Smith: Right?
• 4:43
  Diane Black: But,
• 4:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: If Diane is telling you this then it's pretty heavy.
• 4:47
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 4:49
  Diane Black: Yeah. I'll be okay,
• 4:54
  Leyla Zmeskal: I know you will.
• 4:54
  Diane Black: When i'm halfway through and I won't even notice it anymore. The ice cubes are starting to melt. It's cutting that a little bit.
• 5:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
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  Diane Black: So it's like,
• 5:03
  Trisha Smith: You have like thr e ice cubes in there. It's
• 5:08
  Diane Black: But it started with like eight ice cubes.
• 5:08
  Diane Black: not going to do that much f r you.
• 5:10
  Trisha Smith: True.
• 5:10
  Diane Black: It's like so strong, it's just melting the ice cubes away.
• 5:14
  Trisha Smith: She's also using one of our, Boozy Banter, glasses, goblet.
• 5:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: Goblet.
• 5:19
  Trisha Smith: That holds like 16 ounces.
• 5:21
  Unknown: Yeah, probably should have gone with the stemmed glass.
• 5:26
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 5:26
  Diane Black: Too late now.
• 5:27
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, It is what it is.
• 5:30
  Diane Black: It is what it is.
• 5:30
  Diane Black: You're time to tell a story.
• 5:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes, it is.
• 5:36
  Trisha Smith: I've been waiting, you keep teasing us with it. But now, now it's time to spill it.
• 5:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: I was looking for a story, and I originally was gonna plan to do, something completely different. But as I was kind of looking around, I came across this and it kind of fascinated me. So I started looking a little deeper, and I started finding this really great information. So I was like, Oh, this is it.
• 6:00
  Trisha Smith: She even has her paper turned upside down, so I can't see it.
• 6:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: So they can't even see the name of it.
• 6:05
  Diane Black: No cheating.
• 6:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: No See,
• 6:07
  Trisha Smith: Sneaky, sneaky.
• 6:08
  Leyla Zmeskal: I am being a little sneaky, sneaky. So, the story I'm going to tell you is about the, McKenzie Poltergeist.
• 6:18
  Trisha Smith: Ah,
• 6:19
  Leyla Zmeskal: Have you heard it?
• 6:20
  Trisha Smith: No.
• 6:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: Have you heard it?
• 6:21
  Diane Black: No.
• 6:22
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay. So I got my sources from,
• 6:26
  https://www.horrorgalore.com/true-story/mackenzie-poltergeist-edinburg,https: //www.cityofthedeadtours.com/the-mackenzie-poltergeist.html and
• 6:28
  https: //4girlsandaghost.wordpress.com/2010/10/07/the-mackenzie-poltergeist/
• 6:29
  Diane Black: Yeah.
• 6:29
  Leyla Zmeskal: Have you heard about 4 Girls and a Ghost?
• 6:33
  Diane Black: Yes. Yeah, I saw them on their Instagram page.
• 6:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, that's the first time that I have come across them. So,
• 6:43
  Diane Black: Their pretty cool.
• 6:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: They had some really good, you know, information on there. It was kind of similar but a little different than the others. So I kind of you know, I kind of liked a little bit of what everybody had to say. So I pulled a little bit from everybody.
• 6:56
  Trisha Smith: Okay,
• 6:56
  Diane Black: It should be good.
• 6:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay, so here we go. Let's dive right in.
• 7:02
  Diane Black: Okay,
• 7:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: So the story of this reportedly vicious Poltergeist begins nearly 400 years ago, in Edinburgh.
• 7:12
  Leyla Zmeskal: Wow.
• 7:13
  Trisha Smith: Really?
• 7:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: Scotland's dark history and the history of what I'm going to tell you. I'm going to talk about that first. So in 1637, King Charles I, attempted to introduce the, English book of the Common Prayer, into Scottish church services, the Scottish people were not having it, and they were determined to keep Presbyterianism as the sole religion of Scotland, and they refused to see the king as the head of the church. So as you can imagine, just kind of like setting that little tone of, you know,
• 7:49
  Trisha Smith: Right,
• 7:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: The rest of the history that's about to come. So in 1638, all those who oppose the Charles's idea signed a National Covenant at the Greyfrair's Kirkyard, proclaiming their loyalty to God above king. This did not sit well with the king. And for the next 40 or so years, there were many battles over this, one issue. So now, lets me introduce you to Lord Advocate, Sir George MacKenzie, otherwise known as, Bluidy MacKenzie.
• 8:29
  Diane Black: Oh,
• 8:31
  Leyla Zmeskal: He was made Advocate in August of 1677, by King Charles II. McKenzie was known to be a very brutal man and organized and enthusiastic and bloody prosecution of the Covenanters. Now, the Covenanters, were the members of the religious and political movement that signed in like 1638. So in retaliation for their refusal to replace the Presbyterian Church with the Episcopalian Church, it is estimated MacKenzie was responsible for killing 18,000 of his own country men during the reign of terror and that was referred to as, The killing Time.
• 9:20
  Trisha Smith: Wow,
• 9:21
  Diane Black: Wow.
• 9:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: So in 1679, the Covenanters were outnumbered and defeated by King Charles II, at the Battle of Bothwell Bridge, 3,000 were captured and brought to Greyfriar's and were hanged.
• 9:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: Some actually, some were hanged.
• 9:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: Others were beheaded, and their skulls were displayed on the city walls, or, you know, on walls around the city. I think that was like common thing.
• 9:52
  Diane Black: Humans were bad.
• 9:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, Yeah.
• 9:54
  Trisha Smith: Right,
• 9:54
  Leyla Zmeskal: Others were tortured publicly, and about 1,000 were sent off to other prisons or some of them were actually allowed to go free.
• 10:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: Unfortunately, the remainder were kept in a section of land adjacent to the Greyfrair's Kirkyard in a makeshift open air prison. So as you can imagine, by mid November of that year, most of the 12 hun of 1,200 prisoners had died from either starvation, disease, or exposure to the harsh Scottish winter, and the surviving few 100 were packed up and put on a ship that was bound for Australia.
• 10:36
  Trisha Smith: Wow.
• 10:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: So that's a little bit about a history of Greyfriar's Kirkyard.
• 10:43
  Trisha Smith: Okay.
• 10:44
  Diane Black: I have a question.
• 10:44
  Diane Black: I need some clarification. When you say Greyfriar's, is that the name?
• 10:50
  Leyla Zmeskal: Greyfrair's Kirkyard, it's like
• 10:53
  Diane Black: A Frair as in like someone from the church?
• 10:56
  Leyla Zmeskal: GREYFRAIRS. It's a location. Greyfrair's Kirkyard.
• 11:00
  Diane Black: Oh.
• 11:01
  Leyla Zmeskal: So now, we're going to fast forward to, December of 1998.
• 11:07
  Diane Black: Oh
• 11:08
  Trisha Smith: Oh, that's a big jump.
• 11:09
  Leyla Zmeskal: I know.
• 11:10
  Diane Black: It's like, recent times.
• 11:13
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 11:14
  Diane Black: Oh, boy. All right.
• 11:17
  Trisha Smith: So fast forward to December of 1998, where a homeless man seeking shelter from the storm entered, Greyfrair's Kirkyard and broke into one of the old Muslims in the Covenanters Prison section.
• 11:29
  Trisha Smith: Once inside, he decided to explore his surroundings. He removed an old gate, that was in the floor and went down a short stone staircase to a vault known as the, Black Mausoleum, where he came across four wooden coffins,
• 11:50
  Diane Black: Oh good Lord. Good night,
• 11:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: Can you see where this is going?
• 11:55
  Diane Black: Yes, I have an idea, not gonna be good.
• 12:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: So, I mean, I guess he thought something valuable must have been inside one of those coffins because he tried to open one of them. And when he was smashing one of the coffins, he ended up falling through a hole in the floor and fell into a deep pit below that had been used to illegally dump bodies that had died from the plague.
• 12:30
  Diane Black: Oh,
• 12:31
  Trisha Smith: My, so now we got the plague mixed in there.
• 12:38
  Diane Black: So was he landing on like a pile of bones?
• 12:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, well, I'm gonna tell you.
• 12:42
  Diane Black: Okay.
• 12:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: Are you ready for me to tell you?
• 12:44
  Diane Black: Hm,
• 12:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: So the pit below had been, very well sealed.
• 12:51
  Trisha Smith: Oh no,
• 12:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yep, and the mostly, and the moldy corpses below, we're far from skeletons.
• 12:59
  Diane Black: No, no!
• 13:01
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes.
• 13:02
  Trisha Smith: Well wait aren't they, wern't they disease infested?
• 13:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
• 13:06
  Diane Black: We're talking hundreds of years.
• 13:08
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well the pit was very well sealed and, so not surprisingly, the terrified man freaked the fuck out and ran out of the damn tomb. Now, it's either a security guard with his dog or a man walking his dog. I read two different things that heard strange noises coming from the Convenanters Prison and went to investigate, the graveyard where and they saw the bloody, filthy homeless man running out of the crypt towards them. The site would be enough to scare anybody, and of course, they ran the fuck away from there as fast as they could.
• 13:48
  Diane Black: Oh my God.
• 13:48
  Trisha Smith: Geeze.
• 13:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: So,
• 13:49
  Diane Black: And so could you imagine the smell,
• 13:51
  Trisha Smith: No.
• 13:52
  Diane Black: Like the odor.
• 13:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: It is said that almost immediately after the homeless man disturb the vault, activity began. The very next day, a woman peering through the iron gate set into the vault's door was reportedly blasted through the iron gate forced off her feet by a blast of cold wind. Soon after, another woman was just, was discovered sprawled on the floor near the tomb, her neck ringed with heavily, with heavy bruising.
• 14:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: She claimed, that invisible hands had tried to strangle her.
• 14:30
  Leyla Zmeskal: So similar injuries were found on another victim this time a young man who was found lying opposite the vault. So soon, all of this became too much for the Edinburgh City Council, they locked the mausoleums door and declared the location out of bounds for all except, those who had express permission to enter.
• 14:54
  Leyla Zmeskal: This is when a local author named Jan Andrew Henderson, who actually lived across from the graveyard asked the City Council for permission to bring controlled tours to the mausoleum.
• 15:09
  Diane Black: Oh, hell to the No.
• 15:09
  Diane Black: No! No, no, no.
• 15:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: The council agreed.
• 15:19
  Trisha Smith: Of course they did.
• 15:22
  Leyla Zmeskal: Now, City of the Dead Tour, almost has exclusive
• 15:22
  Diane Black: Oh no.
• 15:28
  Diane Black: access to the site running regular tours. Since then, it seems that the paranormal activity has escalated, alarmingly.
• 15:38
  Trisha Smith: You don't think.
• 15:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: Henderson said, the Black Mausoleum seems to differ from Edinburgh's other haunted locations for two reasons. One is the frequency of the Poltergeist sightings. And the other is the severity of incidences. So the period between the first recorded sightings in 1999 and the present there have been over 450 documented attacks in the Black Mausoleum and Covenanters Prison.
• 16:17
  Diane Black: So that's, in the last 22 years.
• 16:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
• 16:21
  Diane Black: That's a lot.
• 16:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: No that's a lot.
• 16:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: And what's even more alarming, is that, of those attacks 180 have lost consciousness.
• 16:35
  Trisha Smith: Wow.
• 16:37
  Diane Black: Why would anybody want to go on that tour?
• 16:41
  Trisha Smith: Right. Well, I mean, you're talking ghosts of prisoners and plague victims whose bodies were dumped.
• 16:49
  Trisha Smith: Everybody that's in there is angry.
• 16:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: And Mackenzie.
• 16:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: So Henderson says he has hundreds of eyewitness accounts and there are probably many more people who have encountered the Poltergeist, but just didn't write in with their stories. And so over the years, there have been numerous reports of hotspots, cold spots, scratches, not to mention nausea, numbness that have been frequently reported, as well as unexplained bruises, and burns on witnesses bodies. Often these are found under the clothes and they're not even noticed until they get back to their home or hotel room, and then they're discovered. Photographs have been taken of these marks, as well as many pictures of an unidentified shape in the tomb.
• 17:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: There have been sightings of a white figure, unexplained smells like a powerful stench of sulfur, weird sounds like unexplained laughing and growling and knocking noises coming from the ground moving up the walls and around the inside of the tomb. Diane's like, um, no.
• 18:07
  Diane Black: This is a lot.
• 18:08
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, there's still more.
• 18:10
  Diane Black: Oh my god.
• 18:12
  Trisha Smith: Quick question, when the guy fell through. Did they remove all the bodies?
• 18:17
  Diane Black: No,
• 18:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't know.
• 18:18
  Diane Black: It didn't sound like that from what you read, they sealed it back up.
• 18:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think they did seal it back up.
• 18:23
  Trisha Smith: Oh,
• 18:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah.
• 18:24
  Trisha Smith: Yuck.
• 18:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
• 18:26
  Trisha Smith: They're all juicy.
• 18:26
  Trisha Smith: You think it would be like stinking up the joint? I'm just saying.
• 18:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's a lot, this is um, this was a good one.
• 18:37
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 18:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: I'm not even done yet.
• 18:40
  Diane Black: Okay, go on.
• 18:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay, so dead animals are found unmarked, in front of the Black Mausoleum.
• 18:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: People have complained to have seen, to have an unseen apparition pull their hair, grab their arms and legs, and even kick and punch them. One or two people have even claimed to been possessed.
• 19:03
  Diane Black: I believe it.
• 19:04
  Diane Black: Well they've claimed that.
• 19:04
  Trisha Smith: Can you imagine the crap that attaches to people that they take out of there and take it home?
• 19:15
  Diane Black: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: So the area has been exercised twice. The first by a Spiritualist Minister named Colin Grant, and then by his son a year later, both were unsuccessful. and the attacks continue Henderson said.
• 19:35
  Diane Black: They need to bring a whole team in.
• 19:38
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't know. It might just be,
• 19:39
  Diane Black: It might, yeah.
• 19:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: Might just be bad.
• 19:41
  Diane Black: Right.
• 19:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: So poltergeist activity, like smashed plates, objects moving, unexplained fires have also been reported in four different homes that border the graveyard.
• 19:54
  Trisha Smith: Oh.
• 19:56
  Leyla Zmeskal: So in October of 2003, a fire swept through Henderson's house, and the tour company's offices, both overlook the graveyard. It destroyed years worth of letters, photographs, records and statements concerning, the Mackenzie Poltergeist. As well as every possession Henderson had on record from all around the world. So none of the surrounding properties were damaged, and insurance investigators could not determine the cause of the fire.
• 20:30
  Leyla Zmeskal: Fortunately, though, Henderson saved most of the sightings and eyewitnesses accounts on a computer that was stored in a completely different building.
• 20:38
  Leyla Zmeskal: So some of the some of the records and you know, witness statements have been saved.
• 20:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: There are also many theories, about why there is so much activity in the area. However, even before "the killing time".
• 20:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: The Greyfrair's was a graveyard bursting with death and decay.
• 21:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: It was, with it being much larger than it is today. It was established in 1562, and was formed, it was like a depression in the ground that sank like 20 feet.
• 21:20
  Trisha Smith: So most of these surrounding homes are built on old grade sites.
• 21:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: Right.
• 21:29
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, so the depression like sink 20 feet or more, and with more than 500,000 recorded burials.
• 21:38
  Diane Black: No way!
• 21:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: You have to think it was established in 1562.
• 21:43
  Diane Black: Oh,
• 21:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: It has become more than like rising, a hill that's rise, that's rise to 15 feet. It is said that on really rainy days, some of the bones rise to the surface and it's not uncommon to spot the tip of a femur in the Kirkyard grass.
• 22:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: Diane is just losing her mind over there. There have been many sightings of unidentifiable shapes lurking between headstones, misty figures, and of course, the wraith like children. So that's just one explanation.
• 22:20
  Diane Black: What, what, what.
• 22:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: It was just one explanation that look, this was you know, already a very ac ive you know, and packed,
• 22:29
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 22:29
  Leyla Zmeskal: Graveyard.
• 22:29
  Leyla Zmeskal: Another explanation, one of which Henderson and his tour guids often support concerns, pheromones,
• 22:39
  Diane Black: Pheromones?
• 22:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: Pheromones. If you don't know what pheromones
• 22:41
  Trisha Smith: Oh.
• 22:44
  Trisha Smith: are, there are chemicals that are excreted or secreted that can influence the behavior of other species. It's most common in insects, but, humans can also be affected. In the case of the Black Mausoleum, it is hypothesized that the pheromones released by the intense emotions of those who were tortured imprisoned and killed and the Convenanters Prison has somehow been imprinted upon the location and combined with the fear and apprehension felt by modern day visitors. It is that psychomatically causing the nausea, coldness, dizziness, and perhaps even the Poltergeistesque activity. Some paranormal researchers think that the poltergeists can actually move along these pheromone trails, with the two being linked, now, that's fascinating.
• 23:44
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Diane Black: I never heard that theory.
• 23:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: That's very fascinating, though, isn't it?
• 23:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: When I read that I was like, shut the front door. That is so interesting. If this is true, it would explain why many of the tour members have reported the impression of being followed home from the Kirkyard by something sinister.
• 24:02
  Trisha Smith: It's literally following them because of their scent.
• 24:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yep. So, there's another possible explanation for why there's so much activity,
• 24:13
  Trisha Smith: Okay,
• 24:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: And that lies within,, environmental factors.
• 24:19
  Leyla Zmeskal: To the rear of the Mausloeum is Edinburgh's University's Artificial Intelligence Unit, where high voltage machinery is housed. These machines can give off electric magnetic energy, a force that some believe could create hallucinations, in people that are EM sensitive, and be the explanation for why certain paranormal activity is happening. However, this does not explain the physical attacks that visitors in the vault claim.
• 24:53
  Diane Black: I think that's the least likely.
• 24:56
  Trisha Smith: Well, it makes sense in the fact that, all of this started happening during such a modern time,
• 25:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: Right.
• 25:03
  Trisha Smith: The first explanation with how it's been built upon since the 1500s, you would think they would have been experiencing something way prior to 1998.
• 25:13
  Diane Black: But didn't you say they did, they had it documented, and then all that was burnt.
• 25:17
  Leyla Zmeskal: It was like 1998 is when the activity started, like almost immediately after thehomeless man broke into the Mausloeum and disturbed one of the coffins,
• 25:27
  Diane Black: And fell through.
• 25:28
  Leyla Zmeskal: Fell through, that's when like almost immediately the activity started. And we all know that if there's energy in the area that could, something could feed off of that.
• 25:37
  Diane Black: Absolutely.
• 25:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: So another environmental theory suggests, that the answer may lie deep below the ground, deeper than the Greyfrair's interned dead.
• 25:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: And according to the British, British Geological Survey, at Murchison house in Edinburgh, sandstone forms much of the rock underneath the Greyfriars area.
• 26:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: Bill Allen of SPI suggests that, if the pores of the sandstone were to become saturated with mineral electrolytes, this in effect would create 1000s of tiny batteries, given the right conditions, these micro tram, a micro tremor, perhaps the stored energy could be discharged, creating an electrical field above the ground, affecting this, a sensitive person by causing a tiny seizure in the temporal lobe of their brain.
• 26:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: Seizures appear to run in a distinct pattern with the affected people experiencing the same or similar images. So maybe the truth is a combination of some or actually, you know, all of these, theories. So Henderson said, "I don't know what the, Mackenzie Poltergeist really is.
• 26:56
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't know if it's a supernatural entity, a pheromone cloud, a demon, or a set of psychosomatic and hysterical reactions. All of those have been suggested, but it has become the best documented supernatural case of all time, and probably the most conclusive. Let me just put it this way. If the MacKenzie poltergeists isn't genuine supernatural entity, than I don't think that there's any such thing, not anywhere in the world".
• 27:33
  Diane Black: Wow.
• 27:34
  Trisha Smith: Wow.
• 27:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: And ladies and gentlemen, that is the MacKenzie Poltergeist.
• 27:38
  Diane Black: Wow,
• 27:39
  Trisha Smith: That was a lot.
• 27:40
  Diane Black: A lot.
• 27:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: A lot, and really, really interesting.
• 27:45
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 27:46
  Trisha Smith: Yes,
• 27:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: Really good stuff.
• 27:48
  Diane Black: For me, there's only one answer, and that is that he released the energies in the souls of those who've been sealed underneath this ground, and you've got the pain and the anger and the illnesses and and all that that energy was just released.
• 28:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: Or maybe he released, you know, bloody MacKenzie.
• 28:09
  Diane Black: Well, yeah and his too. There are so many of them, there's so much,
• 28:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: There's so much, but if you, if you Google, you know the MacKenzie Poltergeists, you will see like pictures of people that have scratches on their body. And the place itself is stunning.
• 28:25
  Diane Black: Really,
• 28:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: You know, the the graveyard is absolutely beautiful. It's exactly what you expect, like a, you know, an old 15, 1600 building. You know, it's just beautiful, but incredibly active.
• 28:42
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, did they take this cemetery, and that's where the open air prison was, was on the cemetery?
• 28:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: On the cemetery.
• 28:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, it was like, adjacent.
• 28:55
  Diane Black: You've got a lot of anger there.
• 28:56
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, so.
• 28:57
  Diane Black: Unresolved just, No.
• 29:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: In one location.
• 29:00
  Trisha Smith: But I, I do like the mix of electromagnetics going on in there, and you know, the sandstone with a little,
• 29:11
  Diane Black: Pheromone was.
• 29:13
  Leyla Zmeskal: Pheromone was very interesting.
• 29:14
  Trisha Smith: All the scientific explanation.
• 29:17
  Diane Black: Yeah.
• 29:17
  Leyla Zmeskal: That's why, I mean, if it's right behind the Grayfriars, Kirkyard. I mean, the artificial intelligence department would have huge sources of power, to operate whatever they're, you know, experimenting with, working on so that would, you know, could possibly be released and if there is, you know, sandstone all underneath the Kirkyard, the Greyfriars Kirkyard. It could be like little tiny batteries, you know, so that's also extremely,
• 29:53
  Diane Black: Yeah but that's not explaining the bruising.
• 29:56
  Leyla Zmeskal: No, it's not explaining the.
• 29:58
  Diane Black: Getting knocked down and.
• 30:01
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's not explaining that, but it's also, could be an explanation of what could be fueling it.
• 30:09
  Diane Black: Yeah.
• 30:10
  Leyla Zmeskal: And, you know, giving it that energy to just keep, you know, becoming more and more active, along with all the other maybe it's a combination of all the things, you know. The pheromones, that, I thought that was super interesting,
• 30:26
  Diane Black: Me too, I've heard that before.
• 30:29
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, the pheromones, you know, and could be traveling along the pheromone trail. I mean, that is super interesting. But there's also people, one article that I was reading, he believed that he was followed, you know, to his hotel room by something and freaked him out a little bit.
• 30:50
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 30:51
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, the MacKenzie Poltergeist, but it was really, what really caught me, is that it started in 1998.
• 30:58
  Diane Black: Yes.
• 30:58
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, I mean, when you start talking about it, I'm like, so it's gonna be like 400 years of hauntings, but it's not.
• 31:08
  Trisha Smith: It's only 22.
• 31:08
  Leyla Zmeskal: No, it's not.
• 31:09
  Leyla Zmeskal: I know. That's why I was, like, extremely excited. I can't wait to tell you ladies this story.
• 31:14
  Trisha Smith: Great story.
• 31:15
  Diane Black: Yes, that was.
• 31:16
  Trisha Smith: That was really interesting, now I want to Google and see pictures.
• 31:20
  Diane Black: Me too.
• 31:22
  Leyla Zmeskal: I mean, the pictures are really, are beautiful. What's the lady that did Harry Potter?
• 31:27
  Trisha Smith: JK Rowling.
• 31:28
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, she said she used the the cemetery as,
• 31:31
  Diane Black: Oh really?
• 31:32
  Leyla Zmeskal: Inspiration for like something or another, I don't know, I wasn't I didn't really get into that, because I was interested in all the other stuff. But it's beautiful.
• 31:41
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 31:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: You know what I was telling you the other day, I said, if we ever go to Edinburgh, Scotland? I don't know if I would want to take that tour.
• 31:48
  Trisha Smith: No yeah,
• 31:50
  Leyla Zmeskal: I mean, there's just so much that I'm like, I don't know if I could be brave enough to do that. Right?
• 31:55
  Trisha Smith: Right. Well, even throwing in, like the scientific part behind it. If there is something that's, I mean, you can go in all day long and say, I don't believe. I don't think this any of this is real. But if there's something affecting you, that there like the electromagnetic field,
• 32:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: If you're sensitive,
• 32:15
  Trisha Smith: Right, then already, you're gonna have a problem.
• 32:19
  Leyla Zmeskal: Right. And I would think that if you are sensitive, I think that would be enough to cause some kind of odd feeling. And yeah, I know enough to where you think that it could be perceived as something, a little more sinister.
• 32:34
  Diane Black: But I would bet, that their tours are like, very popular and sold out in advance.
• 32:42
  Trisha Smith: Probably,
• 32:43
  Diane Black: Cause, there's just some people out there that don't care, and will,
• 32:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: Will do it anyway.
• 32:48
  Diane Black: Will do it.
• 32:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
• 32:50
  Trisha Smith: So,
• 32:50
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't know. I don't know if I would be brave enough.
• 32:51
  Diane Black: I would not.
• 32:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: We'll have some pictures, you know, on, our on our website of, you know, maybe we'll throw up a picture of a couple of the scratches and burns. Definitely throw up pictures of the Greyfriars Kirkyard itself.
• 33:08
  Trisha Smith: So, I had to Google a picture of this place you're talking about Leyla, you get an image in your mind and then you find it and you see the picture and it's,
• 33:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: Not like what you had in your mind.
• 33:19
  Trisha Smith: Right. Right, and this looks more like I don't, it does not look like a graveyard.
• 33:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: No, it's beautiful.
• 33:26
  Trisha Smith: It is beautiful.
• 33:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's just stunning.
• 33:28
  Trisha Smith: So while I was looking at pictures, this article caught my attention. You mentioned exorcism,
• 33:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: Right.
• 33:36
  Trisha Smith: That they did some exorcisms
• 33:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, it was Collin Grant, I believe he did the first one and two years later his son,
• 33:42
  Trisha Smith: His son,
• 33:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: Did the second one and both of them were unsuccessful.
• 33:46
  Trisha Smith: Okay, so in 1999, Collin Grant, a Minister of a Spiritualist Church and owner of, The Clairvoyant Shop on St.
• 33:58
  Trisha Smith: Mary Street, stood in the Greyfriars Kirkyard and performed an exorcism, and so that's exactly what you said.
• 34:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yep, that was part of the story.
• 34:07
  Trisha Smith: Okay, so this article is saying, that are asking the question, did the exorcism contribute to his death? Because he died soon fter that, so this was in Novemb r o
• 34:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: Diane is just having her mind blown right now.
• 34:25
  Trisha Smith: He stood,
• 34:26
  Diane Black: This is mind blowing.
• 34:27
  Trisha Smith: He stood in front of the local press with a candle, a cross to ward off evil spirits holding a Bible in his right hand and claimed to have finally cast out the spirits that had been trapped in the graveyard for centuries.
• 34:44
  Diane Black: And that's all he had was a cross and fucking candle,
• 34:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: And a Bible
• 34:48
  Trisha Smith: A Bible.
• 34:50
  Diane Black: The shit that he is up against, um no, like, where was the sage? Where was the salt? Where was the holy water?
• 34:58
  Diane Black: Where, where were the stones?
• 34:58
  Diane Black: Where, where was his protection?
• 35:03
  Diane Black: A cross, a candle, and a Bible is not gonna do that with the shit he was facing. There was this first mistake
• 35:11
  Trisha Smith: Okay, well. As, as his rituals drew to a close, you know, the there's photographers there so everybody is taking pictures, a dark shape was witnessed gliding across the window in the church, even though it was locked and no one was inside and they actually show a picture,
• 35:33
  Diane Black: The Grim Reaper?
• 35:35
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, or something like looking at him.
• 35:38
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't know, it looks like a very dark,
• 35:41
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 35:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: Figure that has mass.
• 35:43
  Diane Black: It does.
• 35:44
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 35:44
  Diane Black: It does, I'm looking at it right now. It truly does.
• 35:47
  Trisha Smith: And it's the, the newspapers photographer took the picture that they, that they posted and said, the flashes were not pointing at the building, so it's difficult to see how it could be a shadow created by the flash. I'm usually skeptical about these things, but I can't explain this at all, that was Terry Mcgourty, who is the deputy, deputy picture editor of the Edinburgh News. So Collins's visit to Greyfriars was prompted by a visit to the prison where he went by the request of the guy who lived across the street Henderson, Jan Henderson.
• 36:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: He is the owner of, the one that started the tour group.
• 36:28
  Trisha Smith: Right and he had requested because 49 people taking part in his ghost walks over the previous eight months had claimed to have had paranormal experiences, 49.
• 36:38
  Diane Black: That's a problem.
• 36:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, because if you remember he had just started at the time that this article was written, had just started his the tour.
• 36:48
  Diane Black: Yes.
• 36:48
  Trisha Smith: Yes. So it said that many of the participants reported feeling exactly what you were talking about. They're being watched or touched, and they came away with cuts and scratches on their faces. One lady said she couldn't catch her breath and it felt like there was a hand over her mouth, but she couldn't see anything. She just felt like she couldn't breathe. The exorcism that Grant performed seemed ineffective, and it was two months later that further reports were made about paranormal activity. On Janua y 26, of the following year, 2 00. Then, not long aft r he expressed fears that his work would kill him, Collin Gran died from a heart attack, wh le he was speaking to the spirit world during a seance t his clairvoyant shop. Was he dark figure in the photograph the MacKenzie Poltergeist or m rely a pour
• 37:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: Wow,
• 37:46
  Diane Black: He fucked with some shit he had no business getting involved with and that's what happened to him.
• 37:55
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, I believe you.
• 37:57
  Diane Black: Like, so I have a question though.
• 37:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, Okay,
• 38:00
  Diane Black: So he was a priest minister.
• 38:03
  Trisha Smith: Ah no,
• 38:04
  Diane Black: No,
• 38:04
  Trisha Smith: Well,
• 38:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: It said Minister of a spiritalist,
• 38:06
  Diane Black: Minister.
• 38:09
  Trisha Smith: Of a spiritualist church
• 38:11
  Diane Black: Alright that. Yeah, spiritualist. Okay.
• 38:13
  Trisha Smith: Yeah. So, huh, nope, and then his son went back you said two years later.
• 38:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: Two years later and, and performed another exorcism, and of course, that really didn't work either.
• 38:27
  Diane Black: Yeah, because he came back with a cross, and a candle, and a Bible, which isn't enough, so he wasn't fucking like ready to handle it. He didn't pull out the shit from his arsenal.
• 38:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: I know next time he needs to be a little more prepared.
• 38:45
  Diane Black: Absolutely.
• 38:45
  Diane Black: Abso-Fucking-lutely.
• 38:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, my goodness.
• 38:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well, I think today's story kinda like was enough for a whole episode itself I think.
• 38:55
  Diane Black: Definately.
• 38:56
  Trisha Smith: It was a good one, and it had a lot of information.
• 39:00
  Trisha Smith: So,
• 39:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: I was so excited to tell you ladies.
• 39:02
  Trisha Smith: That was good.
• 39:02
  Trisha Smith: That was good, and then that little twist at the end. I mean, I honestly just went in to look for a picture.
• 39:10
  Diane Black: I'm so glad you did.
• 39:11
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, i'm glad you did too.
• 39:14
  Trisha Smith: So that kinda like wrapped it all up.
• 39:16
  Diane Black: I know.
• 39:16
  Trisha Smith: Don't go there, It'll kill you.
• 39:19
  Diane Black: Just sit there and take it all in.
• 39:23
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, if you do don't bring a cross.
• 39:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: A candle.
• 39:27
  Trisha Smith: A candle.
• 39:28
  Diane Black: Bring more, bring your Sage, bring your salt, bring your holy water, bring your rocks, bring bring it all.
• 39:35
  Trisha Smith: Bring it all.
• 39:39
  Diane Black: Cover your head.
• 39:40
  Trisha Smith: There you go.
• 39:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: Do all the things.
• 39:43
  Trisha Smith: And a cocktail.
• 39:44
  Diane Black: Seriously.
• 39:45
  Trisha Smith: Which Imma gonna go get .
• 39:46
  Diane Black: Yes.
• 39:47
  Diane Black: Me too after that.
• 39:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes.
• 39:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: Alright.
• 39:49
  Trisha Smith: I know.
• 39:49
  Diane Black: Oh, good, Lord.
• 39:50
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think we should do that then.
• 39:51
  Diane Black: Lord Jesus.
• 39:56
  Trisha Smith: On that note.
• 39:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: Cheers.
• 39:58
  Trisha Smith: Cheers.
• 39:58
  Diane Black: Cheers.
• 39:59
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hey, Like what you hear?
• 40:01
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• 40:02
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• 40:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: Thanks for listening.
• 40:07
  Trisha Smith: Until next time.
• 40:08
  Diane Black: Late-a.