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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: to night on Kredline. Well, finally confirmation they'll be a
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Speaker 2: meeting at the end of next month between Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: and the Australian Prime Minister. Will Kevin rud be allowed
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Speaker 2: in the room though, see about that? For all of
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Speaker 2: Matt Kean's sprooking of electric car supplies, say the demand
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Speaker 2: simply isn't there.
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Speaker 3: The government might claim they've.
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Speaker 2: Got no policy to force you into an EV, but
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Speaker 2: when they're chasing half of all new car sales being electric,
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Speaker 2: you know where this is headed. Plus you won't believe
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Speaker 2: the staggering number of people still living here in Australia
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Speaker 2: despite having their asylum claims rejected.
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Speaker 3: So not refugees. They're not going home.
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Speaker 2: Only fourteen percent of claims are proven to be legitimate.
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Speaker 2: So what's Tony Berg doing about sending them home? I'll
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Speaker 2: get into Trump's takedown of net zero in just to Buy,
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Speaker 2: but there was quite a bit too applaud last night
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Speaker 2: in his address at the United Nations.
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Speaker 4: I love Europe, I love the people of Europe, and
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Speaker 4: I hate to see it being devastated by energy and immigration.
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Speaker 4: This double tailed monster destroys everything in its way.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're going to stay with that speech, because in
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Speaker 2: a truth bomb designed to burst open the bunker of
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Speaker 2: global bureaucracy and control that.
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Speaker 3: Is the UN headquarters in New York.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's speech last night didn't miss. I mean it
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Speaker 2: was a powerful speech designed to not only kill a
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Speaker 2: few woke, sacred cows, but also to eat them in
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Speaker 2: one of his famous burghers as well. Because whatever else
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Speaker 2: might be said about him, Donald Trump understands two things.
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Speaker 2: First that much of what's been happening in the modern
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Speaker 2: West is economic and societal suicide, and second that there's
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Speaker 2: no office in the world with more power to change
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Speaker 2: that than the US presidency. What's more, he's clearly decided
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Speaker 2: that he's not going to die wondering whether he could
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Speaker 2: have made a difference second time around in the White House.
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Speaker 2: Last Night's speech to the United Nations was devastating to
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Speaker 2: the climate activist ecosystem that's enjoin thirty years of grifting
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Speaker 2: courtesy of tax payers that have been bludgeoned into submission,
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Speaker 2: and the indoctrinated generations that are growing up and filling
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Speaker 2: its woke funding pipeline. No doubt, there's ever been a
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Speaker 2: more powerful public denunciation of what Trump regards as the
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Speaker 2: two most insidious failures of modern public policy, namely destroying
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Speaker 2: energy sovereignty in an attempt to combat climate change and
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Speaker 2: allowing barely controlled mass migration, notionally because of the economist
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Speaker 2: Ponzi scheme that any growth is good, but in reality
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Speaker 2: because governing elites in the West have become morally queasy
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Speaker 2: about their own Judea Christian foundations.
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Speaker 3: Trump's speech wasn't.
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Speaker 2: So much as salvo as it was a bunker busting
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Speaker 2: bomb at the very epicenter of a global governance structure
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Speaker 2: that is crippling Western civilization. It was a direct repudiation
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Speaker 2: of the two policy directions that have been at the
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Speaker 2: heart of the left's agenda and that have been partially
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Speaker 2: accepted even by much of the mainstream right. Worse still,
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Speaker 2: the harm of these two cancers of climate policy and
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Speaker 2: mass migration have been massively accelerated over the past decade,
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Speaker 2: especially in the anglosphere and in places like Australia, perhaps
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Speaker 2: since because our Prime Minister's census that is us counterpart,
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Speaker 2: is the antithesis of almost everything he holds deer and
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Speaker 2: is working towards that. It's taken him so long to
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Speaker 2: array engineer face to face contact. In contrast, look how
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Speaker 2: quickly he scooted off to Beijing, where he's far more
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Speaker 2: comfortable the leadership of communist China. So what did Trump say? Well, first,
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Speaker 2: on climate change, he skewered them on the consistency of
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Speaker 2: so called expert scare mungry that's become increasingly hysterical over time,
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Speaker 2: but rarely accurate. He pointed to the UN Zone nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighty two declaration that by the year two thousand climate
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Speaker 2: change would cause a global catastrophe. And then he exposed
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Speaker 2: just how wrong they have been.
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Speaker 4: Global cooling will kill the world. We have to do something.
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Speaker 4: Then they said global warming will kill the world, but
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Speaker 4: then it started getting cooler, so now they could just
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Speaker 4: call a climate change because that way they can't miss
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Speaker 4: climate change, as if he goes higher or lower, whatever
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Speaker 4: the hell happens this climate change, it's the greatest con
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Speaker 4: job ever perpetrated on the world.
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Speaker 2: In my opinion, I'm an ad He said at the
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Speaker 2: top of the speech that he's autoq broke down. So
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Speaker 2: much of this speech was without a note he directly
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Speaker 2: addressed the current leadership of the UN, Britain, Canada, and
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Speaker 2: Australia with this warning.
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Speaker 4: And I'm telling you that if you don't get away
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Speaker 4: from the green energy scam, your country is going to fail.
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Speaker 2: You'd say that again, And as if he hadn't pulled
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Speaker 2: off an already rhetorical king hit, Trump continued on the
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Speaker 2: subject of mass immigration.
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Speaker 4: And if you don't stop people that you've never seen before,
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Speaker 4: that you have nothing in common with, your country is
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Speaker 4: going to fail. I'm the President of the United States,
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Speaker 4: but I worry about Europe. I love Europe. I love
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Speaker 4: the people of Europe, and I hate to see it
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Speaker 4: being devastated by energy and immigration. This double tailed monster
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Speaker 4: destroys everything in its way, and they cannot let that
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Speaker 4: happen any longer. You're doing it because you want to
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Speaker 4: be nice, you want to be politically correct, and you're
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Speaker 4: destroying your heritage.
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Speaker 3: And miss what about this?
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Speaker 4: And I have to say, I look at London, where
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Speaker 4: you have a terrible mayor, terrible, terrible mayor, and it's
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Speaker 4: been so changed, so changed. Now they want to go
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Speaker 4: to Sharia law. But you're in a different country. You
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Speaker 4: can't do that. Both the immigration and their suicidal energy
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Speaker 4: ideas will be the death of Western Europe. If something
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Speaker 4: is not done immediately, they cannot This cannot be sustained.
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Speaker 4: What makes the world so beautiful is that each country
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Speaker 4: is unique. But to stay that way, every sovereign nation
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Speaker 4: must have the right to control their own borders. Proud
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Speaker 4: nations must be allowed to protect their communities and prevent
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Speaker 4: their societies from being overwhelmed by people they have never
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Speaker 4: seen before, with different customs, religions, with different everything. Where
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Speaker 4: migrants have violated laws, large false asylum climes, or claimed
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Speaker 4: refugee status for illegitimate reasons, they should in many cases
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Speaker 4: be immediately sent home. And while we will always have
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Speaker 4: a big heart for places and people that are struggling,
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Speaker 4: and truly compassionate answers will be given, we have to
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Speaker 4: solve the problem, and we have to solve it in
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Speaker 4: their countries, not create new problems in our countries. When
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Speaker 4: your prisons are filled with so called asylum seekers who
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Speaker 4: repaid kindness, and that's what they did, they repaid kindness
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Speaker 4: with crime, it's time to end the failed experiment of
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Speaker 4: open borders. You have to end it now. See I
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Speaker 4: can tell you I'm really good at this. Your countries
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Speaker 4: are going to hell.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Because this was a precision assault on the two great
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Speaker 2: political pieties of our time. There will be a furious
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Speaker 2: reaction now. Already I've noted today the number of mainstream
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Speaker 2: media outlets that are even declining to even cover his
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Speaker 2: climate change comments. Others though, well after those comments, and
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Speaker 2: more than on immigration, they went off the deep end.
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Speaker 2: But because what Trump's saying is essentially true, just possibly
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Speaker 2: this could be the wake up call that the West needs.
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Speaker 3: We can but hope.
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Speaker 4: I just want to repeat that immigration and the high
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Speaker 4: cost of so called green renewable energy is destroying a
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Speaker 4: large part of the free world and a large part
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Speaker 4: of our planet. Countries that cherish freedom are feeding fast
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Speaker 4: because of their parl on these two subjects. You need
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Speaker 4: strong borders and traditional energy sources if you are going
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Speaker 4: to be great again.
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Speaker 2: Because what Trump has said is so totally at odds
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Speaker 2: with much of the Western political establishment, there'll be renewed
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Speaker 2: and perhaps even more concerted effort to ridicule the man
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Speaker 2: and to destroy his presidency. Initially, at least, this speech
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Speaker 2: will be will feed into the narrative that Trump is
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Speaker 2: a Neanderthal sort of throwback. But because the so called
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Speaker 2: green transition is going badly in all the countries that
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Speaker 2: are taking it seriously, like Australia, and because there are
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Speaker 2: few citizens, particularly in the anglosphere, who aren't asking themselves
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Speaker 2: how on earth is this happening to my country? That
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Speaker 2: speech will resonate in the short term. It will present
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Speaker 2: a dilemma for Anthony Albert Easy, whose government has presided
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Speaker 2: over three years of historically high immigration, and who just
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Speaker 2: announced high, superambitious economy wrecking emissions reduction targets for twenty
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Speaker 2: thirty five. Almost inevitably, he will say that the problems
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Speaker 2: a president highlighted don't apply to Australia.
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Speaker 3: Do you know they do?
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Speaker 2: And Givenees only just secured that formal meeting with Trump
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Speaker 2: on October twenty, Alban Eazy won't want to jeopardize it
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Speaker 2: by directly disagreeing with the President's blistering critique of what
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Speaker 2: is Australia's current policy no less than the policy of
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Speaker 2: Britain and Europe too.
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Speaker 5: If I'm not a commentator, I'll leave that to you
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Speaker 5: and the columnists. But it was great, privileged to be
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Speaker 5: at the United Nations this morning to hear President Trump
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Speaker 5: and other leaders, the Secretary General of the United Nations
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Speaker 5: and others have put forward their perspectives.
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Speaker 3: Seemed to ans around that.
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Speaker 2: But whatever the public pleasantry is, Trump's message is at
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Speaker 2: odds with everything our Prime Minister has ever done and
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Speaker 2: said his entire public life, and that has grave consequences
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Speaker 2: for our alliance with the US. But it's also at
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Speaker 2: odds with much of the Liberal Party too, and the
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Speaker 2: UK Conservatives. After the previous coalition government initially scrapped the
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Speaker 2: carbon tax and declared that the emissions obsessions were over,
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Speaker 2: the Liberals and reversed course under Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison,
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Speaker 2: eventually adopting net zero on the grounds that it would
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Speaker 2: be damaging to our international standing and harmful to the
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Speaker 2: chances of regaining those TiAl seats if we didn't take
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Speaker 2: climate change seriously. Well, not only is lurching to the
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Speaker 2: left not made a scrap of difference in those TiAl
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Speaker 2: seats effect, it has made it worse. It's also cost
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Speaker 2: the leap's credibility with Conservatives. That a recent primary vote
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Speaker 2: of twenty seven in News poll this week makes that
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Speaker 2: perfectly plain. And while the opposition's disastrous defeat was mostly
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Speaker 2: due to its lack of policy fight labor Pinning the
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Speaker 2: Trump Light label on Peter Dunton didn't help, because the
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Speaker 2: Trump style doesn't offer and play well outside the American heartland.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition base, already restive at Susan Lee's lack of
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Speaker 2: policy direction, will be further fired up by this latest
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Speaker 2: Trump broadside, even though his mega movement won't directly translate
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Speaker 2: into political success here, given our somewhat different culture, different
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Speaker 2: institutional structures, and radically different voting system. But the challenge
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Speaker 2: to the Coalition is to take his message, that message
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Speaker 2: in those words, and recraft a platform that's radically different
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Speaker 2: to the current labor Light offering focused on the potent
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Speaker 2: beachheads of energy and high immigration. Still a fortnight after
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Speaker 2: global conservatism was rocked by the public execution of Charlie Kirk,
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's response has been an eviscerating attack on everything
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Speaker 2: that Kirk was trying to stop. I make a mistake,
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Speaker 2: Whether you like the man or not, this was a
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Speaker 2: speech for the ages. All right, Let's go to Caron
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Speaker 2: out for the headlines. Skynie political reporter Trinny Macintosh as.
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump took center stage at the UN and I only.
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Speaker 4: Do business with people I like.
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Speaker 3: When I don't like him, I don't like him.
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Speaker 6: The White House confirmed what the Prime Minister has long
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Speaker 6: been waiting for. A meeting has been set for October twenty, so.
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Speaker 5: It will be my seventh visit to the United States
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Speaker 5: as Prime Minister. The United States is an important relationship
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Speaker 5: for us.
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Speaker 6: The pair also finally met face to face at a
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Speaker 6: private function away from the cameras in New York. Back home,
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Speaker 6: today's monthly inflation figure hit a twelve month high as
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Speaker 6: state power bill rebates expired. By contrast, underlying inflation, the
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Speaker 6: RBA's preferred measure fell slightly to two point six percent.
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Speaker 7: Despite that increased volatility in the global economy, nderlying inflation
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Speaker 7: is within the target range and that's a promising result.
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Speaker 6: The market is not expecting interest rates to be cut
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Speaker 6: when the Reserve Bank meets next week.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's dive into all of that with the
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Speaker 2: panel now, Senior political report of Treaty Macintosh and senior
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Speaker 2: reporter out of Sydney, Carolyn Marcus.
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Speaker 3: Let's stay if I can. With that Trump.
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Speaker 2: Meeting there was I'm not going to call it a meeting.
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Speaker 2: Last night at a reception for one hundred other leaders treaty,
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Speaker 2: they bumped into each other.
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Speaker 3: I don't think how PM.
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Speaker 2: Could get his phone out fast enough to take that selfie.
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Speaker 2: It's been splashing around everywhere tonight. We do know, though,
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Speaker 2: this afternoon that there now will be a formal meeting,
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Speaker 2: a confirmed meeting. We assume this one's in the Oval
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Speaker 2: Office in the White House in DC.
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Speaker 3: Do you have any more detail, well, Peter, yes.
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Speaker 6: Will it be called a happenstance encounter. That's how the
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Speaker 6: Pentagon ultimately referred to the Richard Miles and Pete Haigseth
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Speaker 6: brief meeting when they were at the White House this
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Speaker 6: time around Anthony Alberezi taking that photo just to show
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Speaker 6: everyone he did, in fact get that handshake with Donald Trump.
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Speaker 6: As you say, the more serious meeting will be left
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Speaker 6: for the White House on October twenty. There had been
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Speaker 6: some subtle smoke signals of this last week, when Donald
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Speaker 6: Trump had said to John Lyns, I'm going to dub
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Speaker 6: you in to your Prime Minister when he sees me.
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Speaker 6: At the time, my government sources were stressing nothing had
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Speaker 6: been locked in for New York. They kept saying nothing
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Speaker 6: for New York, nothing for New York, essentially trying to,
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Speaker 6: I think, give a wink and a nudge that something
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Speaker 6: was coming after New York the White House. In the end,
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Speaker 6: it probably provides a little more distance when it comes
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Speaker 6: to this issue of Palestinian recognition by October twenty maybe
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Speaker 6: the presidents it's not so front of mine for him.
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Speaker 3: So there is potential upside.
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Speaker 6: There's always potential downsides in a longer meeting, though, isn't there.
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Speaker 6: We've seen how these over office encounters with the TV
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Speaker 6: cameras in the room can sometimes play out.
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Speaker 2: How does it deal with the ambassador run because you
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Speaker 2: heard him there, we heard his comments even at the
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Speaker 2: Kirk memorial. You know, once he takes a set against you,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't likely change his mind.
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Speaker 6: And people in Trump would say that he does know
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Speaker 6: about the comments that Ambassador Rud made. Didn't Nigel Farage
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Speaker 6: in that interview actually raise it with him way back
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Speaker 6: in the day. He was asked about this today the
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister in the press conference he says he assumed
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Speaker 6: so that Kevin Rudd will be there because that's the protocol,
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Speaker 6: So I think.
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Speaker 3: He'll be there.
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Speaker 6: Odds on he'll be there, but I don't know. Maybe
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Speaker 6: if it's such a big deal, he'd suddenly be sick,
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Speaker 6: but I think ultimately he'd be there.
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Speaker 2: You can tell the pressure was getting to him today,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, because he got quite tetchy with Latika
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Speaker 2: Burke and Australian journalist who.
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Speaker 3: Was there in the press pack.
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Speaker 2: She asked him if he now had Donald Trump's phone number.
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Speaker 2: And this is interesting because we earlier seeing that Emmanuel Macron,
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Speaker 2: the President of France, had got stuck in traffic and
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Speaker 2: he literally called the president's private mobile and said, get
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Speaker 2: this traffic moving. So some leaders have it, some don't.
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Speaker 2: This is the exchange.
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Speaker 3: During the election campaign. You set on the seventh that
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump didn't have a mobile.
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Speaker 5: Then I did not say that.
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Speaker 3: I did not say that.
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Speaker 5: Don't don't verbal.
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Speaker 1: Don't verbal me.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, what what do you think he said?
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Speaker 5: Well, I didn't say that, But what do you think
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Speaker 5: he said? I didn't. I didn't say that, but anyway,
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Speaker 5: keep going. If I did, it's called a joke. Humor
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Speaker 5: humor delightly Well, obviously obviously he has a mobile, and
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Speaker 5: anyone who actually saw the context would know that.
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Speaker 3: Pretty tetchy Trudy. Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I mean we all remember that in that debate. It
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Speaker 6: was an eye popping moment that the president doesn't have
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Speaker 6: a mobile when he's very clearly been photographed on it
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Speaker 6: many many times. I think that's how he puts his
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Speaker 6: truth socials out there, isn't it. I mean, surely he
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Speaker 6: got the mobile number today. I don't have that confirmed,
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Speaker 6: but if I was Anthony Abinezi and maybe just ask
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Speaker 6: for it directly.
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Speaker 3: When you're there with the president.
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Speaker 2: I reckon, poor Donald Trump went looking for our prime
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Speaker 2: minister because he thought otherwise he'll bowrow me up at
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Speaker 2: the loo, like I'm not going to get here without
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Speaker 2: being sort of wrestled down by Anthony Alberanezy.
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Speaker 3: So the pictures up there.
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Speaker 2: The meetings in the diary, let's just see where it
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Speaker 2: all lands. It's not the fact of getting a meeting,
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Speaker 2: it's getting something out of the meeting. I want to
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Speaker 2: see what it looks like on October twenty one, as
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Speaker 2: opposed to talking underwater about this between now and then,
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to this. I've got a panel of
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Speaker 2: experts on zero in a moment, but the border issue,
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Speaker 2: Caroline in that speech, if I think his comments on
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Speaker 2: the green left politics of climate change was strong.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 2: His border comments were unbelievable. This, I think touches a
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Speaker 2: nerve right around the world. It was a big issue
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Speaker 2: obviously in his election. But what did you make about
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Speaker 2: of those comments?
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Speaker 8: It was incredible, wasn't it? Only Donald Trump could give
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Speaker 8: that blunt and scathing a speech at the United Nations.
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Speaker 8: It was extraordinary to watch. And his warning in particular
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Speaker 8: for European countries which have been swarmed with migrants in
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Speaker 8: recent years, and we've seen where that has led to
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Speaker 8: in many respects there is that it is time to
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Speaker 8: end what Trump called the failed experiment of open borders.
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Speaker 8: He told them, your countries are going to hell. I mean,
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Speaker 8: it doesn't get a lot stronger than that. And he
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Speaker 8: also accused the United Nations itself for helping to fund this.
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Speaker 8: I mean, he pointed out that the United Nations had
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Speaker 8: budgeted hundreds of millions of dollars to help support migrants
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Speaker 8: journeys into the US. And he of course fruped to
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Speaker 8: how he had managed to close the borders. But I
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Speaker 8: think the border message there isn't just on illegal immigration,
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Speaker 8: which we have struggled with here in Australia, especially when
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Speaker 8: we had when we didn't have offshore immigration, offshore processing,
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Speaker 8: and we had all these boat arrivals. We've managed to
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Speaker 8: get that under control now. But of course the problem
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Speaker 8: and very real concerns that people have here is to
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Speaker 8: do with legal migration and the numbers, the proportion of
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Speaker 8: legal migration that is allowed to take place, and that's
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Speaker 8: why we've seen these protests on the street, these mass rallies.
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Speaker 8: But you know, the message there is that that has
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Speaker 8: to be controlled as well. That is part of the
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Speaker 8: conversation around borders and protecting sovereignty. And one of the
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Speaker 8: issues we've seen here in this country, as they've seen
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Speaker 8: in the US, is that there is a clash of
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Speaker 8: values between many people that have been allowed to come.
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Speaker 3: Here legally as well.
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Speaker 8: We see it in the almost weekly protests, calls for
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Speaker 8: violence very open there in the violent protests that have
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Speaker 8: often taken place, and there is clearly a clash in
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Speaker 8: values and people who are not willing to accept the
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Speaker 8: values that we have here.
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Speaker 3: And Trump's to.
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Speaker 8: Those broader concerns and we've seen that reflected and research
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Speaker 8: as well. I know we'll talk about some of that
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Speaker 8: research a bit later, but there has been a doubling
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Speaker 8: in the rate of concern over immigration and Australians, and
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Speaker 8: that is according to some new pulling, So it's definitely
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Speaker 8: top of mind for a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: You're right, Caroline has drawn the distinction between legal migration
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Speaker 2: and illegal migration. The illegal stuff we've seen with boats
21:28
Speaker 2: and that's happening around the world happened obviously here in
21:30
Speaker 2: Australia some time ago, and people have very strong views
21:33
Speaker 2: about that. Legal migration now has also got people angry,
21:37
Speaker 2: and that's where they think they're losing their opportunity to
21:39
Speaker 2: buy a home, too much congestion, too many people too quickly,
21:43
Speaker 2: and all the things we've talked about that people have
21:45
Speaker 2: marched in the streets about.
21:46
Speaker 3: In recent months.
21:47
Speaker 2: There's also the issue truly out today. You know, people
21:50
Speaker 2: who come legally, so they come say on a student
21:53
Speaker 2: visa or they come on a tourist visa, and once
21:56
Speaker 2: in Australia they try and migrate into permanent classes so
22:00
Speaker 2: that they claim asylum, they say they're a refugee. All
22:04
Speaker 2: of that is tested under international law. Well, we learn
22:06
Speaker 2: there's one hundred thousand people now in Australia who have
22:10
Speaker 2: sought to make that application. It's been assessed by the authorities.
22:14
Speaker 2: They have been proven not to be refugees, but they
22:18
Speaker 2: remain in Australia, so the government is not getting them out,
22:21
Speaker 2: not sending them home. And indeed, this is the statistic
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Speaker 2: that really shocked me. Of all the people putting in
22:27
Speaker 2: acclaim last year, only fourteen percent one four percent were
22:34
Speaker 2: assessed as legitimate by the Department of Home Affairs. Now
22:38
Speaker 2: this is extraordinary, but you know, I don't see the
22:42
Speaker 2: heat on Tony Burke Trudey to have a response and
22:45
Speaker 2: an answer to this.
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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, And the reason why there's such that big
22:51
Speaker 6: number of claims that are rejected here is essentially because
22:54
Speaker 6: there's such a big backlog in terms of processing, and
22:57
Speaker 6: the appeals process takes such a long time. There's almost
23:01
Speaker 6: a carrot for people who are here on temporary visas,
23:03
Speaker 6: for example, when that expires, they then apply for an
23:07
Speaker 6: asylum visa, a refugee visa, in the full knowledge that
23:10
Speaker 6: they won't be granted it. But the very fact that
23:12
Speaker 6: they've applied for that means there's basically the clock restarts.
23:15
Speaker 6: There's a whole process and because there's such a big backlog, here.
23:19
Speaker 6: It provides them more time to be in the country.
23:21
Speaker 6: So that's the reason why these numbers are so big.
23:24
Speaker 6: I see immigration experts out today saying the way to
23:26
Speaker 6: try and get this number down dramatically is really reduce
23:29
Speaker 6: the backlog, ensure that these claims are tested quickly, that
23:32
Speaker 6: appeals go through quickly, so there isn't such a long
23:35
Speaker 6: period of time and essentially that incentive in the system
23:38
Speaker 6: for people to claim asylum when they know they shouldn't
23:41
Speaker 6: actually be granted it.
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Speaker 2: I think we have to bite the bullet and cut
23:45
Speaker 2: down all the appeals. We have to do something dramatic
23:49
Speaker 2: about the appellent structure in Australia that you don't have overseas.
23:52
Speaker 2: If someone assesses you in a camp and you're not
23:54
Speaker 2: found to be a refugee and you're not then in
23:57
Speaker 2: the un sort of pipeline, that's it see later story over.
24:01
Speaker 2: But in Australia you get to Australia and you have
24:04
Speaker 2: multiple appeal channels. That's got to be cut down and
24:08
Speaker 2: I think that's where the Coalition, if they are wise,
24:11
Speaker 2: would head before the next election. Let's go to crime.
24:14
Speaker 2: You mentioned some of the surveys out today. There's a
24:16
Speaker 2: whole raft of them. One I'm interested in is this
24:19
Speaker 2: survey from SEC Newgate on.
24:21
Speaker 3: Crime across the country.
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Speaker 2: People are saying reducing crime is now a national priority.
24:27
Speaker 2: It's above fifty percent in a majority of states.
24:30
Speaker 3: It's not just Victoria.
24:32
Speaker 2: God help us down in Victoria, A whopping seventy one
24:35
Speaker 2: percent of people say this is a problem. Not surprising
24:39
Speaker 2: to me, Caroline up and I live in Victoria. I
24:41
Speaker 2: live in the city of Melbourne. And you've also got
24:44
Speaker 2: reports today that there's been an exodus of Victorian police
24:47
Speaker 2: officers that going to Queensland. There are plenty of job
24:51
Speaker 2: vacancies because of that in Victoria, but they're also going
24:54
Speaker 2: to Queensland because they know their fair income about crime
24:58
Speaker 2: when the cops get them off the street. Doug Chris
25:01
Speaker 2: A Fuley means business.
25:04
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: And honestly, if you were a police officer in Victoria
25:08
Speaker 8: where you are, Peter, wouldn't you do the same thing.
25:10
Speaker 8: Wouldn't you head up north to sunnier climates and be
25:15
Speaker 8: in a state where they take crime seriously instead of
25:17
Speaker 8: having to deal with violent thugs, violent young thugs a
25:21
Speaker 8: lot of the time, and when you do catch them
25:23
Speaker 8: and arrest them and they go before it court, some
25:26
Speaker 8: soft magistrate just lets them out on bail again and again,
25:29
Speaker 8: thanks also to the very weak leadership on this issue
25:33
Speaker 8: over there. I mean, why wouldn't you take that up.
25:35
Speaker 8: There's been a big recruitment drive targeted at Melbourne and
25:38
Speaker 8: it's worked because it's some eighty percent of new recruits
25:42
Speaker 8: to the Queensland Police Force are actually coming from the
25:45
Speaker 8: state of Victoria. So clearly there's a lot of people
25:48
Speaker 8: who are fed up working in alice police for law
25:54
Speaker 8: enforcement in Victoria and who can blame them, but they're
25:59
Speaker 8: so is really interesting as well. It's by far it's
26:02
Speaker 8: far from push polling, Like people weren't even asked given
26:06
Speaker 8: a multiple choice question about do you think you know?
26:09
Speaker 8: Was crime listed on this multiple choice question. They were
26:12
Speaker 8: simply asked in this survey, what are you concerned about?
26:17
Speaker 8: What do you think should be a national priority? And
26:19
Speaker 8: most people in states, most states, all states, as you've
26:23
Speaker 8: pointed out, said crime, And in Victoria it was no
26:28
Speaker 8: shock here the highest out of anywhere in the country.
26:32
Speaker 8: So there you go. People are genuinely concerned about this.
26:35
Speaker 8: And I was speaking to friends from Melbourne who were
26:37
Speaker 8: here this week and They're telling me that they are
26:41
Speaker 8: scared to go out at night and a lot of
26:43
Speaker 8: people feel that way, and they are putting up secure,
26:46
Speaker 8: more security around them where they live in nice areas
26:50
Speaker 8: and it's terrifying for them.
26:55
Speaker 2: Welcome to Melbourne, I'll live there. Thank you, Trudy, Thank
26:58
Speaker 2: you Caroline. While I'm on policing, Chris Mins. Today new
27:01
Speaker 2: South Wales Premier has announced the new new South Wales
27:04
Speaker 2: Police Commissioner and he's.
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Speaker 3: Named mal Lanyon.
27:08
Speaker 2: Now this name has been floated before and there's been
27:11
Speaker 2: pretty intense scrutiny about his suitability.
27:15
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 1: I also recognize the public scrutiny that comes with this role.
27:22
Speaker 9: I have made mistakes in the past and I've been
27:24
Speaker 9: open about them.
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Speaker 2: Now the mistakes were drunk on one stage and at
27:33
Speaker 2: another stage taking some mates.
27:35
Speaker 3: On a police vote. But I want to play you
27:39
Speaker 3: what I think.
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Speaker 2: It was an outstanding response from the Premier, Chris Mins,
27:44
Speaker 2: to why he still chose to appoint Lanyon.
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Speaker 9: I want to be frank about it. This decision was
27:52
Speaker 9: not made based on who had the mistake free perfect record.
27:57
Speaker 9: I want to make it clear that for me, it
27:59
Speaker 9: was based on who I believe should be in the
28:01
Speaker 9: Commissioner's chair on New South Wales's worst day when the
28:05
Speaker 9: public's in danger and the New South Wales Police force
28:08
Speaker 9: needs exceptional leadership.
28:13
Speaker 7: Here.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll tell you what the lips have got
28:16
Speaker 2: to watch out. A lot of people will find the
28:19
Speaker 2: arguments there from Chris Mins and his performance on issues
28:21
Speaker 2: like this is really compelling. We don't often stick up
28:25
Speaker 2: enough for people. If this guy can do the job,
28:27
Speaker 2: and yeah he's got a few blemishes in the past,
28:29
Speaker 2: but if he is the tough cop that Sydney needs
28:32
Speaker 2: at New South Wales needs, and he's going to appoint
28:34
Speaker 2: him anyway, and he's going to stare down the critics,
28:36
Speaker 2: good on you, Chrispins.
28:38
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there after the break.
28:39
Speaker 2: Two men who know a whole lot more about energy
28:42
Speaker 2: and climate change than the UN put together. They'll weigh
28:45
Speaker 2: into that speech from Donald Trump. Now the push by
28:47
Speaker 2: the Human Rights Commission in Australia to regulate what we
28:51
Speaker 2: can discuss online about climate change policy. Welcome back still
29:01
Speaker 2: to calm the intervention from car dealers today pouring cold
29:04
Speaker 2: water on Matt Keane's ev ambitions. But first, Donald Trump
29:08
Speaker 2: has reignited the climb of debate today with that attack
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Speaker 2: at the United Nations.
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Speaker 4: Claimate change because if he goes higher or lower, whatever
29:18
Speaker 4: the hell happens, disclaimate change. It's the greatest con job
29:23
Speaker 4: ever perpetrated on the world. In my opinion, the carbon
29:28
Speaker 4: footprint is a hoax made up by people with evil intentions,
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Speaker 4: and they're heading down a path of total destruction.
29:39
Speaker 2: As I said, I've got a panel for you who's
29:40
Speaker 2: forgotten more than the UN knows on this subject. National
29:45
Speaker 2: Senator mccanavan and senior research fellow at the Mensies Research Center,
29:49
Speaker 2: columns to the Australian nic cator. I might it was
29:52
Speaker 2: a barnstorming speech about Canavan, I said, it was like
29:55
Speaker 2: a bunker buster aimed right in the middle of woke hold.
30:00
Speaker 2: I mean I could hear them sort of, you know, cringing,
30:04
Speaker 2: and that the nails were scraping, and it's just beautiful
30:08
Speaker 2: to watch most of it. I have to say, to
30:10
Speaker 2: deliver it without a note, please tell me this is
30:14
Speaker 2: the moment where we say, finally, the emperor of climate
30:18
Speaker 2: change has no clothes.
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Speaker 10: Here in this country though, to win this battle. But
30:29
Speaker 10: what should be clear from this contribution is that the
30:32
Speaker 10: United States is not going to take any serious action
30:35
Speaker 10: on climate change anytime soon. There can be a tendency
30:38
Speaker 10: to sheet everything home to Donald Trump when people look
30:43
Speaker 10: at US politics. But it's been very clear for a
30:45
Speaker 10: long time that there's not a single voice within the
30:47
Speaker 10: Republican Party that is calling for radical action on climate change,
30:52
Speaker 10: certainly going nowhere near things like net zero. So that
30:56
Speaker 10: always means the US is not going to be a
30:59
Speaker 10: reliable partner on this ridiculous agenda. Now we've tried to
31:04
Speaker 10: skate over that our party room. My party was told
31:07
Speaker 10: that we had to sign up to net zero a
31:08
Speaker 10: few years ago by Scott Morrison because Joe Biden got
31:11
Speaker 10: elected and promised it. Well, this should what's happened today
31:14
Speaker 10: should be a lesson that we should never set our
31:16
Speaker 10: own policy settings based on the election results in other countries.
31:19
Speaker 10: We should set them on what is important and most
31:22
Speaker 10: and most beneficial to the Australian people. And what is
31:25
Speaker 10: very clear now is that this agenda, the net zero agenda,
31:28
Speaker 10: has failed, is failing Australians. And today we saw that
31:32
Speaker 10: our new el inflation figures came out and we saw
31:35
Speaker 10: that electricity prices in Australia went up by twenty four
31:40
Speaker 10: percent in the past, just in the past twelve months,
31:43
Speaker 10: twenty four percent now, So I think we should end
31:47
Speaker 10: this net zero agenda, not because of anything Donald Trump
31:49
Speaker 10: said in New York, but because of what it's saying,
31:53
Speaker 10: what it's doing to your power bills when they turn
31:55
Speaker 10: up every quarter.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you that we've got to drive
32:00
Speaker 2: our own agenda here, But the weight of US emissions
32:05
Speaker 2: in the global numbers, right, and the fact that you've
32:07
Speaker 2: got China, in India and Russia also out of the frame,
32:11
Speaker 2: it just seems absolutely futile. If sixty to sixty five
32:15
Speaker 2: percent of the world admitters heavy emitters are doing you know,
32:18
Speaker 2: sweet bugger all and we in Australia are basically de
32:22
Speaker 2: industrializing at pace to virtue signaling to make cris by
32:26
Speaker 2: and feel good sweating around at cocktail parties in New York.
32:29
Speaker 2: It is absolutely crazy because the people, as you rightly say,
32:33
Speaker 2: bearing the pain of those that are copying these twenty
32:35
Speaker 2: four percent increases in their power bills. And I noticed
32:38
Speaker 2: stick cater you know, even today, former Labor Minister Chris
32:44
Speaker 2: Joel Fitzgibbon was on TV on Sky and he couldn't
32:48
Speaker 2: walk away from the truth of what Trump had to say.
32:52
Speaker 2: As much as he didn't like it, he had to
32:54
Speaker 2: admit there's a lot of truth in what he said.
32:57
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 11: I disagree with him when he says the science is
33:01
Speaker 11: in doubt with respector climate change and mankind's contribution, but
33:06
Speaker 11: the science on how we deal and respond to climate
33:10
Speaker 11: change is contested. And he makes some solemn and valid
33:14
Speaker 11: points there.
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Speaker 1: And is right Nick, Well, he is, and I think
33:21
Speaker 1: that much is absolutely right. You don't need to go
33:24
Speaker 1: all the way with Donald Trump that climate change itself
33:28
Speaker 1: is a hoax. You've just got to look, the solution
33:31
Speaker 1: is a hoax. We know that. I mean that's just
33:33
Speaker 1: given the figures on electricity bills, but in so many
33:36
Speaker 1: other ways we just know that the whole IPCC process
33:40
Speaker 1: is corrupted. It's not achieving anything. In fact, emissions have
33:45
Speaker 1: gone up an enormous amount since the IPCC was set up,
33:48
Speaker 1: and in this country they flatlined in the last three years.
33:51
Speaker 1: For all the huffing and puffing, we have moved out
33:54
Speaker 1: the dial nowhere on this. So the whole process is
33:57
Speaker 1: totally flawed. And I think people like joelfits given. Indeed,
34:00
Speaker 1: anybody who looks into an open mind would say, we've
34:03
Speaker 1: got to look at this another way. If we're concerned
34:06
Speaker 1: about this, or someone more concerned than others. But if
34:09
Speaker 1: you're concerned about this, what sort of action do you want?
34:12
Speaker 1: Not just we need action, Tell us what you're going
34:14
Speaker 1: to do. That's different.
34:17
Speaker 2: And Nick, you know and I know that that there's
34:19
Speaker 2: a whole ecosystem of grifters out there that have been
34:22
Speaker 2: living off the teat of public money into climate change. Right,
34:27
Speaker 2: So that's how they justify their existence. It's been going
34:29
Speaker 2: on for thirty years now. That's how they fund their organizations.
34:33
Speaker 2: The last thing they want is this problem solved.
34:36
Speaker 3: Right.
34:37
Speaker 2: It's like the indigenous politics economy as well. They don't
34:41
Speaker 2: ever want piece that want people to get along that
34:43
Speaker 2: I want one Australia. They want a constant story of division.
34:47
Speaker 2: So part of this has been redistribution of wealth, is
34:50
Speaker 2: no doubt about that. But also you know, and you
34:53
Speaker 2: look at it now with the role out of renewables,
34:56
Speaker 2: it's subsidy based payments from poor old taxpayers that keep
35:01
Speaker 2: this money go around in business.
35:06
Speaker 1: That's right, Peter. And look you mentioned people who actually
35:09
Speaker 1: earn their living from this climate change business. You wouldn't
35:13
Speaker 1: even guess the number academics for a start, people running
35:17
Speaker 1: various think tanks, various quasi organizations, people in the finance
35:22
Speaker 1: industry developed to it, and then of course the renewable
35:24
Speaker 1: energy people themselves. It's a huge number of people who
35:28
Speaker 1: will lose their jobs if this conventional wisdom is ever overturned.
35:34
Speaker 1: So they have every incentive not to do it. And
35:36
Speaker 1: the example is Joe Biden. There was nobody in Joe
35:39
Speaker 1: Biden's office that was said say the absolute truth about
35:42
Speaker 1: it because they knew they'd lose their jobs if this
35:45
Speaker 1: was taken on board. So never underestimate the self interest
35:49
Speaker 1: involved in keeping this whole caravan moving, even though it's
35:52
Speaker 1: increasingly coming off the rails.
35:56
Speaker 2: I will mention there is a number out today. I
35:58
Speaker 2: have the Strained Financial Review. This is just in Australia
36:01
Speaker 2: and it's forward commitments over the next three years. It
36:03
Speaker 2: is seventy six billion billion dollars state and federal this
36:08
Speaker 2: country alone in just the.
36:10
Speaker 3: Next three years. Matt, they are losing the argument.
36:13
Speaker 2: I think people are waking up because they're seeing the
36:15
Speaker 2: personal impact of these policies on their power villain in
36:19
Speaker 2: their home that's why they now want to stop you
36:23
Speaker 2: and I from talking on air and online about climate change.
36:28
Speaker 2: And you know what this is about, because they're saying
36:30
Speaker 2: it's misinformation that's going to hold back the urgent war
36:36
Speaker 2: on climate change.
36:39
Speaker 10: Well, exactly right, Peter. Nothing says that you're winning an
36:42
Speaker 10: argument like seeking to silence and criminalize the speech of
36:46
Speaker 10: your political opponents, does it. I mean they clearly this
36:49
Speaker 10: is a sign that they are losing this debate. They're
36:52
Speaker 10: losing it because they're losing it on the facts. I mean,
36:54
Speaker 10: they're expectively now those that are seeking to continue this
36:57
Speaker 10: failed and zero agenda are effectively asking people to not
37:01
Speaker 10: believe they're lying eyes. We can all see it in
37:03
Speaker 10: front of us. We're losing a manufacturing industry, were the
37:05
Speaker 10: industrializing How electricity bills are through the roof. I was
37:08
Speaker 10: just comparing my power bill with in Japan a few
37:11
Speaker 10: weeks ago, and in Japan now they are paying less
37:14
Speaker 10: for electricity than we are here in Australia. We supply
37:17
Speaker 10: with the biggest supplo of energy needs to Japan. We
37:19
Speaker 10: supply thirty percent of their electricity needs from our colon gas.
37:22
Speaker 10: Yet they're paying less. How does that work in twenty
37:25
Speaker 10: years ago, electricity prices in Japan were four times they
37:29
Speaker 10: are in Australia. They were in Australia sorry, twenty years ago.
37:33
Speaker 10: So this is just failing. And that's why now, because
37:36
Speaker 10: they've failed in reality, they're trying to suppress the scent
37:42
Speaker 10: in virtually online. And I've got a classic one for
37:46
Speaker 10: you here, Peter. I've been going through the submissions of
37:48
Speaker 10: the Senate in QUARRIANUS at the moment and the Queens
37:50
Speaker 10: the University of Technology they've got to think called the
37:51
Speaker 10: Digital Media Research Center, I think it is. They've claimed
37:55
Speaker 10: that I engaged in this information on Sky News. They
37:59
Speaker 10: called they said I was the deputy leader of the
38:01
Speaker 10: Nationals in doing this. I am not and have never
38:04
Speaker 10: been the deputy leader of the Nationals Party. So if
38:06
Speaker 10: you're going to claim people are engaging in misinformation, you
38:09
Speaker 10: might want to get your facts right first too.
38:13
Speaker 2: Just before we go on to another topic with Nick,
38:16
Speaker 2: the distressed sale of assets in wind and solar that's
38:20
Speaker 2: also made the news today.
38:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a huge story and distressed tale. These things
38:28
Speaker 1: are in trouble. The renewables are not making the money
38:31
Speaker 1: they should be if they're the cheapest form of energy,
38:34
Speaker 1: and I wrote about this in The Australian on Monday.
38:37
Speaker 1: I believe that the wind industry is almost over because
38:41
Speaker 1: the finance companies are just not willing to put the
38:45
Speaker 1: money up. For that amount of money and the returns
38:47
Speaker 1: that they get, which are often as you know, negative
38:49
Speaker 1: prices during the day, they basically have to pay the
38:52
Speaker 1: punp electricity into the grid. It's not worth it and
38:55
Speaker 1: I don't think that any amount of subsidy is going
38:57
Speaker 1: to get that over the line. The only good news
38:59
Speaker 1: in this is that the seventy old billion that the
39:02
Speaker 1: government are so far put aside for this, a lot
39:05
Speaker 1: of that isn't going to get spent because nobody's going
39:08
Speaker 1: to do these projects even with that subsidy.
39:13
Speaker 2: Matt just quickly Van Canavan and giving you're in the
39:15
Speaker 2: party room that Nick and I are not. When the
39:17
Speaker 2: Liberals will have a debate about this issue. Andrew Hasey
39:20
Speaker 2: said the other day he reckons he's in the minority
39:23
Speaker 2: in his opposition to net zero. I'm not going to
39:27
Speaker 2: disclose who I speak to, but I speak to a
39:28
Speaker 2: lot of your colleagues and I can't find hardly anyone.
39:31
Speaker 2: And I'm ringing moderates to who are absolutely dying in
39:34
Speaker 2: a ditch to defend zero, and I say to them,
39:38
Speaker 2: stop being squibs. Might be stronger than that on the
39:42
Speaker 2: phone and get out there and publicly say what you're
39:45
Speaker 2: privately saying to me, because.
39:46
Speaker 3: It's weak, right, it's weak. It's weak to say, oh,
39:50
Speaker 3: we think this thing's all bs, but we've got to
39:53
Speaker 3: do this.
39:53
Speaker 2: To hold these seats. We've got to do that to
39:55
Speaker 2: get back in the game. I think Australians have had enough.
39:57
Speaker 2: I think they want to honest and open and very
40:00
Speaker 2: frank conversation about where this is headed.
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Speaker 10: Now, Well, you're right, Peter, and that no one could
40:06
Speaker 10: accuse you of being a shrink, of being a shrinking violet.
40:09
Speaker 10: To look, last week, I think net zero in the
40:14
Speaker 10: Coalition party room effectively died. We're just waiting to administer
40:18
Speaker 10: the last rights now because last week the Coalition, Susan Lady,
40:22
Speaker 10: the leadership, the Shadow Cabinet came out very very strongly
40:25
Speaker 10: in opposed Labour's twenty thirty five mission targets. We did
40:30
Speaker 10: so after just a few hours of consideration. So I'm
40:32
Speaker 10: not sure why we can't come to position on that
40:33
Speaker 10: Zero with as much alacrity. But regardless, we are now
40:38
Speaker 10: in a position of opposing the twenty thirty five targets.
40:40
Speaker 10: We can't then commit to net zero just fifteen years later.
40:45
Speaker 2: Right, I'll over it there and Nicato, I'll see you
40:47
Speaker 2: later on at the mens Is dinner and we'll both
40:49
Speaker 2: hear from Toby Young.
40:50
Speaker 3: Thanks both of you for joining me.
40:52
Speaker 2: Now, quick breakup of the break when I'm talking about
40:54
Speaker 2: evs because the supplies are saying you don't want them.
40:58
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen isn't listing.
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Speaker 2: Still to come, cal Richard, it's first we're going to
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Speaker 2: talk about evs because a warning today from car supplies
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Speaker 2: in Australia that the EV sales targets from Chris Bowen
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Speaker 2: are completely unrealistic. They say without massive subsidies. They're arguing
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Speaker 2: that consumer demand in this country simply isn't there.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring you monitoring.
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Speaker 2: Expert Paul Gover, Well Labor, I've got these pie in
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Speaker 2: the sky targets we're all going to have by EV's league,
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Speaker 2: it's what eighty percent of us or something by twenty
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Speaker 2: thirty five, but they're only you told me about eight
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Speaker 2: percent of the current market. That's their current sales rate, Paul,
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Speaker 2: no one wants them, So what's government going to do.
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Speaker 7: I don't think there's anything the government can do, because
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Speaker 7: it's not just an Australian problem. Volkswagen Group has just
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Speaker 7: admitted the failed EV only strategy at Porsche now this
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Speaker 7: is people like those has cost them eight billion dollars
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Speaker 7: and they're having to go back to combustion engines and
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Speaker 7: hybrids to protect the brand going into the future. So
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Speaker 7: it's not just in Australia. Yes we love our big SUVs,
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Speaker 7: Yes we love those crazy pickup trucks, but globally the
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Speaker 7: EV pickup rate is way way, way lower than anybody
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Speaker 7: forecast was going to be. And in fact, in Europe
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Speaker 7: most recently, they're looking to wind back the ban on
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Speaker 7: combustion vehicles over there because, just like Australia, the MED
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Speaker 7: demand ramped up very sharply and then it's fallen back
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Speaker 7: down again.
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Speaker 2: That surprises me because I always thought our issues here
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Speaker 2: were in part geography, right. I don't want to be
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Speaker 2: as a country driver stuck with an EV in the
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Speaker 2: middle of nowhere and unable to charge it because you know,
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Speaker 2: one unit only in the middle of nowhere has been vandalized.
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Speaker 2: But Europe's obviously much smaller in geography, So what's driving
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Speaker 2: their disinterest in evs?
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Speaker 3: Do we know.
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Speaker 7: The same as Australia, cost and ease of use. A
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Speaker 7: friend of mine, Hank, was in the UK in winter
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Speaker 7: last year four hour wait on the M four motorway
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Speaker 7: to charge the vehicle. The infrastructure doesn't exist in a
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Speaker 7: country like the UK, which is massively smaller than Australia.
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Speaker 7: But what worries me is they're not looking at global
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Speaker 7: trends and they're only thinking about evs. And the other
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Speaker 7: thing is we're starting to see some changes already to
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Speaker 7: what's available in Australia and the price of combustion cost.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 7: Ford is one they've discontinued two versions of their Everest,
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Speaker 7: which is a people mover family suv type thing, discontinued
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Speaker 7: because of its impact under the emissions standard that's coming in.
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Speaker 7: And also they put up the price massively on the
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Speaker 7: petrol versions of the Ford Mustang. Now one of the
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Speaker 7: reasons for that is obviously they can, but when they
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Speaker 7: start to have to, when it becomes quite widespread with
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Speaker 7: the price increases, the worry with this to me, Peter
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Speaker 7: more than anything is if people don't want these cars,
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Speaker 7: you're actually going to have the reverse effect. You're going
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Speaker 7: to have a lot of people keeping older, dirtier cars
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Speaker 7: for longer.
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Speaker 2: So so just quickly on this point. Right, So the
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Speaker 2: government points to places like Norway and says that's where
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Speaker 2: we're headed and we just need a bit more incentive
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Speaker 2: and we'll end up like Norway.
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Speaker 3: And they've got great take up.
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Speaker 2: But Graham Lloyd's written in The Australia that says, hang on,
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Speaker 2: this is smoke and mirrors. They are punishing people with
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Speaker 2: heavy taxes on petrol cars, they're subsidizing electric vehicles heavily
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Speaker 2: by the taxpayer. These are not real statistics. So does
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Speaker 2: that say to me that the government Australia is going
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Speaker 2: to start penalizing me for my diesel car and handing
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Speaker 2: out thousands of dollars in taxpayer money to someone who
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Speaker 2: wants to buy.
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Speaker 3: Is that where we're headed.
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Speaker 7: That's where we're headed. And this look the Norway situation.
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Speaker 7: We've all seen the movie. Tell them they're dreaming. Norway
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Speaker 7: is one twenty fifth the size of Australia. So from
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Speaker 7: an infrastructure point of view, they're fine. Norway has unbelievable
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Speaker 7: free energy right from renewables from hydro okay, so their
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Speaker 7: energy cost is tiny. So it makes a lot more
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Speaker 7: sense for somebody to run an ev there. You're also
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Speaker 7: running it over much shorter distances. Norway has been held
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Speaker 7: up for the last ten years of where Australia needs
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Speaker 7: to go, and it's a completely fatuous comparison at any level.
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Speaker 3: I will leave it there.
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Speaker 2: You are so knowledgeable. We'll be back talking about this,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure many times over.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Paul. Quick break, Kell up the break.
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Speaker 2: You love Wednesday's I do two because Wednesday's means Kel
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Speaker 2: Richards who joins us? Now we've got a good phrase
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Speaker 2: for you tonight. This is from Jillian. I had no
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Speaker 2: idea who were going to go with this one.
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Speaker 3: Bless your little cotton socks. Kel. What's it mean?
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Speaker 12: Well, it comes from night.
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Speaker 3: When where did it come from?
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Speaker 12: Well, it came from nine and oh five to begin with,
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Speaker 12: and it started off in a slightly longer version, started
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Speaker 12: off in as bless your little heart and cotton socks. So,
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Speaker 12: in other words, it began as a jocular way of
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Speaker 12: showing affection to a small child, particularly a little child
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Speaker 12: who deserved a reward. That's all it was. It began
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Speaker 12: in a very simple way. But the mythmakers are not
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Speaker 12: happy with that, and they've come up with this whole
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Speaker 12: elaborate story about a man named George Cotton who was
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Speaker 12: the Bishop of Calcutter in the eighteen hundreds, and he
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Speaker 12: started a campaign asking the women of England to knit
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Speaker 12: socks for poor Indian children. Hence, bless your cotton socks.
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Speaker 12: Referring to George Cotton absolute nonsense. It's a lovely story,
46:57
Speaker 12: but I mean he was in Calcutter and I in
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Speaker 12: fifty eight and the expression didn't turn it up until
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Speaker 12: nineteen oh five. It's complete nonsense. Lovely story, but not true.
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Speaker 7: All right.
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Speaker 2: Another one, Margaret wants to know why we call money dough.
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Speaker 12: Fairly straightforward in the sense that bread is the most
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Speaker 12: basic food staple in the Western world. Everyone needs it
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Speaker 12: to survive. Think of the expression bread is the staff
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Speaker 12: of life, which is a Biblical expression, and you need
47:25
Speaker 12: money to buy bread or you stave. So money came
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Speaker 12: to be called dough in America mid eighteen hundreds, simple
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Speaker 12: as that.
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Speaker 2: Pillar to post. Harvey wants to know the origins of
47:37
Speaker 2: this one.
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Speaker 12: Oh, this is interesting. It now means, you know, going
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Speaker 12: from person to personal, situation to situation fairly fruitlessly. But
47:45
Speaker 12: it came from real or royal tennis, which was introduced
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Speaker 12: into Great Britain by Henry the Fifth and the fourteen hundreds.
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Speaker 12: Now real tennis royal tennis looks to us like a
47:54
Speaker 12: cross between tennis and squash because it's played on a
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Speaker 12: tennis size court with a net, but it's in a bill,
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Speaker 12: so the ball bounces off the walls and bounces a lot.
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Speaker 12: If the ball ricochets from one place to another and
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Speaker 12: does not score a point, the ball is said to
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Speaker 12: have traveled from pillar to post. So a great historical
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Speaker 12: source for the expression.
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Speaker 3: Have we got time to fit in social license?
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Speaker 12: Yes, because it doesn't exist in any dictionary at all.
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Speaker 12: It's in no dictionaries. It's only in the business community
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Speaker 12: called Slo social lince social license to operate, and it's
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Speaker 12: their expression that they've got to serve the whole community
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Speaker 12: in some possible way. But it's meaningless and no dictionaries
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Speaker 12: are interested in it.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a wake words, So that says enough for me,
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Speaker 2: Thank you, kel see you next week. Send us your
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Speaker 2: words to please. We'll need more words to get into them,
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Speaker 2: all right. That's it for me, see you tomorrow night
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Speaker 2: up next, of course, at the Bolt Report.