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Mollie Tibbetts suffered fatal 'sharp force injuries'; Accused killer goes to court · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Does it make anybody feel
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Speaker 1: better that Molly tibbitts murder has become a political football
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Speaker 1: with the people on the left, the people on the right.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's screaming their own opinion. Does it you think that
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Speaker 1: helps the family. This is what I know. Molly Tibbitts
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Speaker 1: was attacked while she was jogging. She threatened to call
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Speaker 1: nine one one. She was chased down, brutalized and murdered.
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Speaker 1: I want justice now. Everybody's whining. Oh, we vetted him.
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Speaker 1: He was fine. He worked with us for four years.
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Speaker 1: He was not fine, and this apparently is not the
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Speaker 1: first time he tailed a young woman as she walked
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Speaker 1: or jogged. I mean, is he Grace? This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: After we got done interviewing Mr Rivera, he led us
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Speaker 1: to her location and that what location was near four
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Speaker 1: sixty Street or Avenue in rural how She County. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you've driven around the area and it's it's a
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Speaker 1: rural county and there are a lot of fields, a
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Speaker 1: lot of woods, a lot of ditches. We have certainly
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Speaker 1: had extensive searches throughout the county. We just didn't have
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Speaker 1: success locating her. In this particular case, she was found
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Speaker 1: in a cornfield and there were cornstalks placed over the
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Speaker 1: top of her. We are now learning new information that
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Speaker 1: Molly was killed by multiple sharp blows. Joining me Lee Egan,
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Speaker 1: Crime Online investigative reporter Chuck Roberts with crime Stories, renowned
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Speaker 1: Atlanta defense attorney, Raymond Judy Chay, Karen Smith, forensics expert
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Speaker 1: Dr Daniel Boberg, psychiatrists, Ashley Wilcott juvenile judge, and Kathleen
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Speaker 1: Murphy family lawyer. Straight out to you, Raymond Judy, Chay,
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Speaker 1: g U I D I C E. What's your best defense?
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Speaker 1: You should know you've represented killers, vehicular homicide defendants, the works.
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Speaker 1: Now what do they do? He led them to the body, Ray,
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Speaker 1: He led them to the body. Absolutely work. Now what
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Speaker 1: I'm going to do is make sure a he doesn't
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Speaker 1: do or say anything to make his case more difficult.
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Speaker 1: Anything you can't talk to what, well, that's right, meaning
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Speaker 1: talk to the what we will soon find to be
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Speaker 1: the jail house snitch who, in his own efforts to
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Speaker 1: save his life, says, oh, he was sleeping, sleep talking
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Speaker 1: and totally and confessed to the crime. So we'll see
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Speaker 1: those kind of things come up. But quite frankly, of
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Speaker 1: the defense has a very difficult problem here. They're trying
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Speaker 1: to protect this man's rights. Now we're in a gray
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Speaker 1: area of constitutional rights. But once you come into the
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Speaker 1: United States, you are protected by the Constitution, whether you're
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Speaker 1: here legally or illegally. He's going to have a team
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Speaker 1: of appointed lawyers you've already seen translators, will be a
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Speaker 1: lot of state resources applied. If I was his counsel,
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Speaker 1: I will be immediately applying for a psych evaluation. This
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Speaker 1: thing about write um you you you can go on
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Speaker 1: and it convinces a lot of juries. You have an
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Speaker 1: excellent record. But let's just talk about his few dream
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Speaker 1: state where he was following her and then suddenly he
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Speaker 1: notices he's got an earbud in his lap, and then
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Speaker 1: that makes him think, wow, here's an earbud. That must
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Speaker 1: mean the girls dead in my trunk. Because see when
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Speaker 1: I see an earbud, a single earbud, Ray Judice, you
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Speaker 1: know what I think? I think, Well, John David's done
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Speaker 1: it again. There goes another set of earbuds, bam, back
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Speaker 1: to the dollar tree. So that's what I think, but
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Speaker 1: he sees an earbud in his lap and he immediately thinks, Wow,
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Speaker 1: this must mean I've got a dead girl in my trunk. Ray. Also,
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Speaker 1: when you say he blacked out or he has a
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Speaker 1: mental issue, remember this. It is coming to light that
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Speaker 1: he registered his vehicle under a false name. Now crazy
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Speaker 1: like a fox. Ray. Well, the fact that he has
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Speaker 1: been in the United States for many years and apparently
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Speaker 1: has not committed any other crimes that is the current status.
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Speaker 1: And he has used hasn't gotten caught, right, but he
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Speaker 1: has used false I D and false alias for the
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Speaker 1: purpose of staying employed and staying in the country. Now
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Speaker 1: that's obviously illegal, but he has not been apparently used
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Speaker 1: these false ideas or aliases to commit violent crimes. In fact,
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Speaker 1: the testimony apparently from even his employer was, Hey, this
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Speaker 1: guy came to work on time every day. We've never
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Speaker 1: had a problem with him. We've never seen a change
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Speaker 1: in his attitude. So I think the defense team is
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Speaker 1: going to be looking into why, all of a sudden
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Speaker 1: he snapped or changed from a reliable, dependable employee, guy
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Speaker 1: that nobody had a problem with too all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: Who commits this type of heinous crime in the middle
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Speaker 1: of a cornfield. Well, it's somebody, you know what, right,
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Speaker 1: I've noticed this about you, and this is again not
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Speaker 1: about you, and it's not about Republicans or Democrats are
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Speaker 1: blah the blah the blah. But it's not just you.
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Speaker 1: Why is it the defense attorney's always end up in
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Speaker 1: court and go He had a job, Okay, Ted Bundy
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Speaker 1: had a job too. All right, I'm not impressed. I
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Speaker 1: want to go with this. Let me ask you this,
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Speaker 1: Chuck Roberts joining me crime stories investigating reporter, isn't true
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Speaker 1: that this illegal immigrant now charged with murdering chasing her
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Speaker 1: down as she ran, threatening to call nine one one.
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Speaker 1: She never got that call off? Is it true that
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Speaker 1: he allegedly tailed another girl in his car a very chilling,
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Speaker 1: very chilling echo of what happened with Molly? Is this true,
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Speaker 1: Chuck Roberts, It is a It is a rumor, not
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Speaker 1: verified being any law enforcement official I'm aware of. But
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Speaker 1: he did say he had seen Molly Tibbots before he
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Speaker 1: had noticed her, and for some reason that night he
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Speaker 1: went up and down the road. He's He's shown on
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Speaker 1: a surveillance video in the black or dark colored Malibu
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Speaker 1: driving up and down the road after that video shows
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Speaker 1: Molly Tibbots running near her hometown, in her hometown of Brooklyn, Iowa. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, Chuck Roberts, I appreciate you going by the book,
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Speaker 1: but I don't need a cop to interpret what another
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Speaker 1: girl tells her sister that the same guy leaves her
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Speaker 1: in fear for her life after he tailed her in
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Speaker 1: his car trying to quote flirt with her. That was
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Speaker 1: a seventeen year old girl walking through Brooklyn, Iowa, the
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Speaker 1: very same rural town where he would later be charged
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Speaker 1: of chasing down Molly in the very same way. Uh.
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Speaker 1: In fact, the sister has given a very open interview
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Speaker 1: about how he followed her, allegedly flirting with her from
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Speaker 1: inside the car, telling her she's pretty driving around behind
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Speaker 1: her she's walking the streets of Brooklyn. You know what
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Speaker 1: that sounds like to me? To Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina
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Speaker 1: family lawyer, what we call a similar transaction. He is
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Speaker 1: a predator. They have people missing in Iowa. I if
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Speaker 1: I was investigating this case, would want to know where
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Speaker 1: has she been and what else has he done? This
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Speaker 1: was not his first time. This is Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to the Judge Diane Crook Johnson in court. Mr Rivera,
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Speaker 1: I now need to review with you the maximum penalties
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Speaker 1: for your charge. If found guilty of the charge of
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Speaker 1: murder in the first degree, the maximum penalty will be imposed.
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Speaker 1: The maximum penalty is life in prison without the possibility
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Speaker 1: of parole. This sentence cannot be deferred or suspended. The
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Speaker 1: defendant will be required to provide a DNA sample and
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Speaker 1: may be required to register with the Sex Offender Registry
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Speaker 1: and if not a U. S citizen, a plea of
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Speaker 1: guilty can result in additional immigration consequences up to and
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Speaker 1: including deportation. The Immigration Detainer Notice of Action requires that
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Speaker 1: at the completion of this criminal matter, you be transferred
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Speaker 1: to the Department of Homeland Security to keep complete processing
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Speaker 1: an assessment of your citizenship. Christian Bahina Rivera who resides
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Speaker 1: in rural Paosche County and he has been charged with
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Speaker 1: murder in the first degree and first degree murder carries
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Speaker 1: a penalty of life without the possibility of parole. Yes,
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Speaker 1: that's true. In Iowa, there is no death penalty. You
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Speaker 1: can chase down as many young women on the side
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Speaker 1: of the street and murder them and leave them face
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Speaker 1: up in the cornfield as you want to, and you
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Speaker 1: will still end up with life behind bars, with us
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Speaker 1: the taxpayer paying for three hots and a cot to
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Speaker 1: Lea Egan Crime online dot com investigative reporter. What more
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Speaker 1: do we know at this juncture? The suspect will probably
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Speaker 1: remain behind bars. The judge increased his bond to a
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Speaker 1: five million cash only bond. She denied his attorney's request
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Speaker 1: to prohibit media, so, as far as we know, will
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Speaker 1: be able to continue to see what goes on as program.
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Speaker 1: Very very interesting. Uh, the defense attorney insisting that the
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Speaker 1: media be excluded from court. Guys, listen, we're asking this
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Speaker 1: court two exclude the media from these proceedings because it
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Speaker 1: could be just one nod of the head, one glance,
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Speaker 1: one slide of hand that will be partially taken out
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Speaker 1: of context and present an over and over which would
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Speaker 1: be highly prejudicial to the dependent. So I urged the
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Speaker 1: court to exclude the media from these proceedings. Renowned Atlanta
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Speaker 1: Defense turning Raymond Dutch joining me at right. Typically the
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Speaker 1: defense that wants the media in the courtroom. Why suddenly
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Speaker 1: now no media? Well, let me say that I thought
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Speaker 1: defense counsel's request was a little bit sloppy. I think
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Speaker 1: he would have had a better approach if you had said, judge,
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Speaker 1: we're not going to eliminate the media, but let's keep
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Speaker 1: it a fixed camera. Uh no, no focus or zooming
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Speaker 1: in on my client for facial expressions. I think he
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Speaker 1: would have had a much better and he would have
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Speaker 1: laid a better grounds for an eventual appeal had he
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Speaker 1: just not put a total gag order. Requested total gag order.
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Speaker 1: But the normal limitation here in Georgia we have, it's
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Speaker 1: called the rule twenty two. The media has to apply
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Speaker 1: to have the camera, and journalists print journalist are of
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Speaker 1: course allowed in any open courtroom. But that camera is
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Speaker 1: a fixed camera. It won't pick up the jurors, it
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Speaker 1: won't focus on the defendants movements. It just cans the
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Speaker 1: entire courtroom. I think that would have been a better
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Speaker 1: and smarter request that may have had a chance of
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Speaker 1: being granted. We are taking your calls nine zero nine
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Speaker 1: four nine crime nine zero nine four nine two seven
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Speaker 1: four six three to Actually Wilcott, juvenile judge and founder
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Speaker 1: of child crime watch dot com. You know, I don't
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Speaker 1: know how this guy did it. Going under the radar
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Speaker 1: having a job as an illegal immigrant for four years,
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Speaker 1: how he got a social Security number and so forth
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Speaker 1: used a fake name regarding his car. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but it's really hard, Ashley. You and I have girls
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Speaker 1: that are about ten years old. Know. I don't let
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Speaker 1: him out of my sight right now, but I can't
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Speaker 1: control when she goes jogging or walking when she's in college.
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Speaker 1: But long story short, this is my Lucy, this is
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Speaker 1: your Katie in just nine years, and it's hard for
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Speaker 1: me to focus on a camera in the courtroom and
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Speaker 1: the defense claiming he had a mental block. Molly was
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Speaker 1: brutally murdered. This is what we know right now. FBI
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Speaker 1: K nine units hunting for the weapon, the murder weapon
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Speaker 1: used in Molly's murder, as an autopsy revealed, the twenty
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Speaker 1: year old IWA student was stabbed dead with quote multiple
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Speaker 1: sharp force blows and she was left face up in
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Speaker 1: a corn field after he scattered a few corn leaves over.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have been in a
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Speaker 1: corn field, but that is not where I want to
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Speaker 1: die and be left. In fact, they had to clear
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Speaker 1: the airspace so chopper wouldn't fly over to see her
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Speaker 1: body or the recovery of her remains. Ashley, Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: makes you want to throw up. Because the other thing
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Speaker 1: to keep in mind, it was a small community, they
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Speaker 1: knew each other, it was safe. Why do people live
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Speaker 1: there in part, and why do they enjoy the lifestyle
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Speaker 1: there in Iowa and that small community because they feel
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Speaker 1: safe and they trust the people there, and they trust
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Speaker 1: that they can go for a run. And and to
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Speaker 1: think that you have a grown daughter who's making adult decisions,
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Speaker 1: who simply goes out to get exercise and this is
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Speaker 1: what happens is unthinkable. One other thing I do want
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Speaker 1: to add, it is very, very common that individuals who
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Speaker 1: are here illegal, illegally do get fake names such security cards.
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Speaker 1: It's very it's the norm because they didn't want to
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Speaker 1: get employed. So that part doesn't surprise me at all
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Speaker 1: in terms of his getting those things. The rest of
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Speaker 1: it's awful. Apparently though they checked it out with the
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Speaker 1: Social Security Administration. Listen to this first. When anyone applies
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Speaker 1: for job at Erabe Farms, they must provide required government identification.
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Speaker 1: In this case, the individual did provide a state issued
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Speaker 1: photo ID and a Social Security card. These items are
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Speaker 1: required for us to complete an E nine which is
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Speaker 1: a federal document. Our practice is to take a second
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Speaker 1: enhanced step to verify the applicants identification. We screen every
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Speaker 1: applicant through the Social Security Administration Social Security Number Verification Service.
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Speaker 1: Two forms of identification is the standard by which employers
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Speaker 1: often validate someone's employment eligibility. In addition, we ran that
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Speaker 1: information through the verification service and the information came back verified.
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Speaker 1: Any idgit or his brother can make a fake driver's license,
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Speaker 1: or a fake idea, even a fake college idea state license.
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Speaker 1: But how do you verify it through the Social Security Administration?
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Speaker 1: You give them the number, I mean, how do they
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Speaker 1: do it? To Kathleen Murphy, how do you go about
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Speaker 1: getting the Social Security Administration to say, yeah, that's him.
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Speaker 1: There's the underbelly that we just don't really know about
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Speaker 1: where he can go and get this information. Nancy, you
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Speaker 1: need to know something. I am leaving today to take
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Speaker 1: my eighteen year old daughter to college for her first
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Speaker 1: day at college on Monday, and fifty miles away. And
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Speaker 1: Molly did everything right. She was in the light of day,
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Speaker 1: she was jogging in her neighborhood. She was in a
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Speaker 1: small town. What is the mother to do? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't. I am so afraid right now for our
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Speaker 1: daughters out there. And I don't believe this guy did
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Speaker 1: this with Molly. That's his first crime, do you. I
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Speaker 1: absolutely do not, And that is why I'm bringing in
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Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist Dr Daniel Bouber. Dr Bouber, you don't just
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Speaker 1: jump to chasing a woman, Danny, she's running from you.
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Speaker 1: Kill her, probably rape her, kill her and leave her
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Speaker 1: in Cornfield and then stay under the radar for a
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Speaker 1: period of time. I'm telling you, Bober, this is not
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Speaker 1: his first crime. No, I totally agree, New Nancy. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is a guy who was probably profiling young women
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Speaker 1: for a while, who's probably casting different places. Um, I
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Speaker 1: don't believe this is his first crime. He is probably
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Speaker 1: the first time that he got caught in any significant manner. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure that he was very aware that he
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Speaker 1: needed to fly below the radar. But everything about his
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Speaker 1: behavior to me says that he'd done this before. Straight
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Speaker 1: back out to Raymond Judo, Cha about the faking the
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Speaker 1: social Security number and faking the idea. I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: a whole body of law immigration specialists that deal with immigrants,
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Speaker 1: illegal immigrants getting quote papers How does it happen? How's
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Speaker 1: this guy there in a town of people and nobody
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Speaker 1: knows he's an illegal immigrant just following women down the
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Speaker 1: street in the car. There's something out there that's called
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Speaker 1: the dark net, and it's the alternative internet that criminals
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Speaker 1: know about. The Russians know about the Chinese people that
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Speaker 1: sneak into your for the Chinese military that are trying
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Speaker 1: to steal American idea ease and social security numbers. There.
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Speaker 1: Whenever you hear on the news that a bank or
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Speaker 1: or a hospital has been their database has been attacked,
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Speaker 1: it's by the criminal elements, the worldwide criminal right. I
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Speaker 1: hear you, and I know you're right. But this ain't
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Speaker 1: James on here. Okay, this is Christian Rivera. Well. He
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Speaker 1: figured out how to get into this country, leader, he
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Speaker 1: figured out how to get a job, He figured how
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Speaker 1: to stay here a long time. He might be smarter
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Speaker 1: than most people think. You can buy social security numbers,
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Speaker 1: you can buy identification. It's out there. The criminal element
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Speaker 1: is way ahead. Uh. I don't say way ahead of
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Speaker 1: law enforcement, but law enforcement is struggling to keep up,
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Speaker 1: including the Social Security administration. So this doesn't surprise me
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Speaker 1: at all. Let me tell you something. Rate you to tell.
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Speaker 1: All you gotta do is go on and Google. Can
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Speaker 1: you fake a Social Security number? Because check it out,
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Speaker 1: it pops up quote. We've put together a few tools
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Speaker 1: to help you generate and validate US social Security numbers.
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Speaker 1: If you have questions, comment, suggestion, contact us. This page
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Speaker 1: will tell you if a social Security number follows the
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Speaker 1: Social Security Administration's numbering plan. They tell you how to
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Speaker 1: do it. Well, that's all, well and good listen to this.
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Speaker 1: It seemed that he followed her, and it seemed to
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Speaker 1: be drawn to her on that particular day, and for
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Speaker 1: whatever reason, he chose to abduct her. So we saw
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Speaker 1: Molly running, and we also saw this black vehicle. It's
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Speaker 1: a black Malibu Chevy Malibu, and so there's some certain
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Speaker 1: features and some distinct features I guess I would say
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Speaker 1: to the vehicle, and that's why we're able to eventually
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Speaker 1: located outside of town. We again had some rather distinct
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Speaker 1: features to the vehicle that allowed us to basically searched
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Speaker 1: the area for it. And it just happened that we
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Speaker 1: were able to locate the vehicle and then subsequently identify
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Speaker 1: Mr Rivera driving the vehicle and that's ultimately what let
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Speaker 1: us to do. You are hearing the special agent speaking
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Speaker 1: out Rick Ron about how Rivera was caught. We are
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Speaker 1: talking about the day of a gorgeous college student just
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Speaker 1: twenty years old. It's almost too much for me to
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Speaker 1: take in Ashley, when you let yourself think about what
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Speaker 1: Molly went through, think about jogging, think about noticing this
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Speaker 1: Chevy Malibu passing her, then turning around and coming back
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Speaker 1: and passing her and coming back, and she's, you know,
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Speaker 1: over a mile away from home, and she starts running
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Speaker 1: faster and faster. She says, I'm gonna call nine one,
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Speaker 1: and then she turns out he's beside her. He's running
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Speaker 1: beside her. Then he's behind her, and she tries to
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Speaker 1: call ninman one and she runs and then she feels
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Speaker 1: him tackle her, and she ends up after god only
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Speaker 1: knows what dead, staring into the sky in a cornfield.
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Speaker 1: That's the reality. And when they they state that clothes
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Speaker 1: were recovered, it seems to suggest a clothes, her clothing
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Speaker 1: was in a different place than her boy me. And
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Speaker 1: that's what her family is living with right now. Wow,
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Speaker 1: politicians use Molly's murder to their own benefit. If you
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Speaker 1: think about what happened to this girl. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how you you cannot break down in tears now, It's
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Speaker 1: it's terrifying. And to make matters even worse and harder,
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Speaker 1: I know, I and along with the family members, I
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Speaker 1: really believed in my heart and hoped this was a
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Speaker 1: case of she's gone somewhere to get away. And so
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Speaker 1: it's even harder because there was so much hope and
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Speaker 1: the father even stated he believed that she was being
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Speaker 1: held somewhere and that she was safe, and so it
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Speaker 1: adds that much more heartache, heart break, and I think
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Speaker 1: everyone has to remember it's not just another story if
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Speaker 1: somebody got murdered, it's another wake up called to really empathize,
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Speaker 1: sympathize with this family and say, oh my god, this
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Speaker 1: is a horrible thing that's happened to her. To Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert joining us at a renowned forensics expert, Karen,
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about how it disturbs me so much. But
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Speaker 1: what about the people that have to recover the body
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Speaker 1: and process the same. Uh. First of all, scientifically, Karen,
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Speaker 1: how will they recover the body? What is critical to
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Speaker 1: the recovery of the body the area around the body,
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Speaker 1: the path leading up to the body, his vehicle. Just
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to determine the primary, secondary tertiary crime, saying
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Speaker 1: his home, his apartment. What are we looking for his
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Speaker 1: dirty clothes? Yes, everything. At this point, when you recover
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Speaker 1: a clandestine I'll call it a clandestine grave. At this point,
21:45
Speaker 1: she was covered with leaves. You have to look for
21:48
Speaker 1: everything it could between the body. You have you know
21:52
Speaker 1: her under her fingernails, You've got DNA swabs, you have
21:55
Speaker 1: the cause of death, sharp bours. His car is key.
22:00
Speaker 1: That's going to do the direct linkage between Rivera and
22:03
Speaker 1: Molly Tibbots. The blood in the trunk, he can scrub
22:07
Speaker 1: it clean all he wants, it'll still be there. We
22:09
Speaker 1: have chemical processes that can reveal that whether or not
22:12
Speaker 1: he did. Uh. So that's a direct link. The way
22:15
Speaker 1: that they found him was phenomenal police work as far
22:17
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. And now they just have to tie
22:20
Speaker 1: up these loose ends and directly connect Rivera with Molly
22:23
Speaker 1: Tibbots and that'll be the end of that. This is
22:25
Speaker 1: what I see they should be doing right now. Number One,
22:28
Speaker 1: they should be making, if it exists, casts of any
22:32
Speaker 1: tire tracks. Let me tell you this is not open
22:35
Speaker 1: shut case by any stretch of the imagination. Anything and
22:40
Speaker 1: everything can go wrong at trial, evidence suppressed. Uh A
22:44
Speaker 1: bad you are. I don't know, but this is what
22:46
Speaker 1: I think they need to be doing. Making a cast
22:49
Speaker 1: of any tire marks or footprint marks. Footprint marks must
22:52
Speaker 1: be matched back to his shoes found his home, tire
22:55
Speaker 1: marks back to his Chevy Malibu. The security surveillance how
23:00
Speaker 1: has to be verified and maintained. You've got to have
23:03
Speaker 1: a chain of custody in order for it to get
23:04
Speaker 1: into court properly. His car, his Chevy Malibu, his trunk
23:09
Speaker 1: has to be processed with a fine tooth comb, looking
23:12
Speaker 1: for fibers from her shorts or her shirt, looking for
23:16
Speaker 1: her hair, looking for touch DNA, looking for blood, looking
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Speaker 1: for her fingerprints. The scene inside the car could be
23:24
Speaker 1: the murder scene. You have to go to his apartment,
23:27
Speaker 1: looking his dirty clothes, find out if there is sperm
23:30
Speaker 1: or jaculate, find out if there's any of her fibers
23:32
Speaker 1: on his clothes, even his shower. It may be too late,
23:37
Speaker 1: but to look for blood. What's the murder weapon? And
23:40
Speaker 1: of course all important in the processing of the body.
23:43
Speaker 1: The fingernails the hands, the mouth, the neck, the genitalia.
23:49
Speaker 1: Everything about Molly must be processed, including that shallow grave
23:55
Speaker 1: where we think she may have been laying, if not
23:59
Speaker 1: all around to the area. Did he drop a cigarette,
24:02
Speaker 1: did something come out of his pocket? Anything, and everything
24:06
Speaker 1: has to be very carefully examined when her when her
24:10
Speaker 1: body's taking her hands have to be bagged so nothing
24:14
Speaker 1: can contaminate her fingernails. And that is just the beginning,
24:18
Speaker 1: because the defense is going to fight tooth and nail. Listen,
24:23
Speaker 1: in this particular case, the coverage that's out there is
24:27
Speaker 1: leaning all one way, and in fact, the government has
24:31
Speaker 1: weighed in at the highest levels of a pre disposition
24:36
Speaker 1: that this young man Christian is guilty, but in our
24:40
Speaker 1: system of justice, is entitled to that presumption of innocence
24:44
Speaker 1: until some evidence is presented. At this time, there's been
24:47
Speaker 1: no evidence presented, your honor, and so we're urging the
24:51
Speaker 1: court to prevent the cameras from coming in here which
24:55
Speaker 1: possibly control some sort of bias or prejudice, and get
24:59
Speaker 1: it into this political controversy a portraying Christian that's something
25:04
Speaker 1: that he isn't. In some ways, I view this as
25:08
Speaker 1: a political payback for what's swirling around in terms of
25:13
Speaker 1: the media, and the media is feeding into it. They
25:17
Speaker 1: have not made efforts, as far as I can see,
25:20
Speaker 1: to give justice or any type of leaning towards this
25:24
Speaker 1: presumption of innocence not getting what he needs, Raymond Judaica,
25:29
Speaker 1: you're the veteran defense attorney. He's got this lawyer for
25:33
Speaker 1: free representing him. The state's gonna have to pay for
25:35
Speaker 1: all of his experts, all of his legal fees, which
25:40
Speaker 1: will probably be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
25:43
Speaker 1: And if he's talking about illegal immigrants not getting a
25:45
Speaker 1: fair shake, just remember this is being compared to the
25:48
Speaker 1: guy that murdered Kate stein Ley, the illegal immigrant who
25:53
Speaker 1: shot her dead as she walked along with her father
25:55
Speaker 1: at San Francisco. Pierre Jose z Garcia zarat uh. Hello,
26:00
Speaker 1: he was acquitted, ray So what is his defense attorney
26:05
Speaker 1: talking about. He's already laying some themes for his opening statement.
26:11
Speaker 1: He is personalizing the defendant by using his first name, Christian.
26:16
Speaker 1: He is making sure the words presumption of innocence, burden
26:21
Speaker 1: of proof beyond a reasonable doubt by the state. He's
26:23
Speaker 1: already laying out a map for the for the only
26:27
Speaker 1: defense he has most likely, and when you went through
26:30
Speaker 1: the checklist of evidence, that checklist that you you very
26:35
Speaker 1: well went over, and there's probably more things. Tire tracks
26:39
Speaker 1: in the farm, in the field from the car, footprints,
26:42
Speaker 1: if this is soil, his feet, the defendants feet would
26:46
Speaker 1: have left footprints. But equally so for the defense. Let's
26:50
Speaker 1: say there are other footprints. Let's say the shoe print
26:54
Speaker 1: doesn't match my clients shoe, and this is a horrific
26:57
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, but I must a defense lawyer.
27:00
Speaker 1: Let's say there is DNA from other people on or
27:06
Speaker 1: about the body of the decedent. That's that's hard to say,
27:10
Speaker 1: but it must be said. That might expand the list
27:13
Speaker 1: of potential defendants or suspects. So as a defense lawyer,
27:18
Speaker 1: I also want a thorough and clean, meaning a good
27:22
Speaker 1: chain of custody, the proper experts to test the DNA.
27:26
Speaker 1: As you know, the judge ordered a DNA test. But
27:28
Speaker 1: as you said, there will be a search warrant and
27:31
Speaker 1: a search conductive of his belongings, his his hair brush,
27:35
Speaker 1: his towel, things like that in his room or his
27:38
Speaker 1: house that will look to match DNA to the scene,
27:42
Speaker 1: to the car and to the decedent's body because I
27:46
Speaker 1: don't know where she is. I don't know if she's saying,
27:48
Speaker 1: we're just hoping for her safe return. That was Molly's mother,
27:52
Speaker 1: Laura Calderwood, as she was hoping against hope that her
27:56
Speaker 1: daughter would be brought home alive. Joining me now, Chuck Roberts,
28:01
Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter, Chuck, what is happening now? Well,
28:06
Speaker 1: the family obviously has the unbelievable task of arranging services
28:11
Speaker 1: and and it will be sometime obviously before the body
28:14
Speaker 1: is released. The autopsy was on Wednesday. Right now, they're
28:17
Speaker 1: sort of pushing back against those who claimed that a
28:21
Speaker 1: failure of immigration was responsible. Um Molly's and Billy Joe
28:26
Speaker 1: Collerwood said, remember evil comes in every color. She wrote
28:30
Speaker 1: that on her Facebook page, and Molly's cousin writes also
28:34
Speaker 1: on a Facebook page. Please don't compound the atrocity of
28:37
Speaker 1: what happened to her by adding racism and hate to
28:40
Speaker 1: the equation. Do not turn hashtag Molly's movement into something ugly.
28:46
Speaker 1: And there's also you know, interesting comments from the owner
28:49
Speaker 1: of Yarrabee's Farms where uh Rivera worked and lived. He
28:53
Speaker 1: lived in a trailer on the property only two miles
28:56
Speaker 1: where Molly lived. Uh. They apparently never checked his image,
29:00
Speaker 1: Gracian status, and his eligibility as you pointed out earlier,
29:03
Speaker 1: they only went through a social security verification that there
29:06
Speaker 1: was that name attached to that number, and they may
29:10
Speaker 1: want to go back and talk to his old girlfriend
29:14
Speaker 1: who provided that fake social Security card. As the investigation continues,
29:19
Speaker 1: investigators say Molly's alleged killer stalked her, approached her, ran
29:26
Speaker 1: behind her, ran beside her, then claimed he blacked out
29:31
Speaker 1: and can't remember anything, but he remembered enough to lead
29:36
Speaker 1: police to her dead body in the middle of a cornfield.
29:41
Speaker 1: To Lee Egan, investigative reporter Crime online dot com, Lee
29:46
Speaker 1: regarding the investigation, what more do we know and what
29:50
Speaker 1: is happening now? The suspects next court date will be
29:54
Speaker 1: on August thirty one. In the meantime, investigators are continuing
29:59
Speaker 1: to build the case that and center not really saying
30:01
Speaker 1: too much, but he's the only suspect, so they're building
30:05
Speaker 1: everything they can around him at this point and be
30:08
Speaker 1: pretty much a way to get see what happens next
30:10
Speaker 1: to Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge, founder of Child Crime Watch
30:13
Speaker 1: dot com She's right. They are closetute away somewhere right now,
30:20
Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott building his defense as Molly's family prepares for
30:25
Speaker 1: a funeral, they probably haven't even processed the fact that
30:28
Speaker 1: she's actually dead, right, absolutely. And the other thing I
30:31
Speaker 1: want to say about him though, is it's important that
30:34
Speaker 1: they get his DNA. I'm glad the order was issued
30:36
Speaker 1: because they also need to run it through the database
30:38
Speaker 1: to see if that matches any other crimes that are
30:41
Speaker 1: outstanding right now, because that could lead to similar transactions,
30:45
Speaker 1: which could be key, and going against the offense is
30:48
Speaker 1: the prosecution in this case. The other thing I wanted
30:50
Speaker 1: to say, Nancy, what I have the opportunity is I
30:52
Speaker 1: am not blaming anyone in the community, but I am
30:55
Speaker 1: suggesting the sister said that this same person had been
30:58
Speaker 1: in a car making are uncomfortable and making comments and
31:02
Speaker 1: flirting with her. I don't know whether or not she
31:05
Speaker 1: reported it at the time, but it's just a reminder
31:07
Speaker 1: to all of us. Even if we think something makes
31:10
Speaker 1: us uncomfortable, but what we can walk away and it
31:12
Speaker 1: goes away. We have got to learn to to report
31:15
Speaker 1: these kinds of things that make us feel that way.
31:17
Speaker 1: Because you just never know what that person might be
31:19
Speaker 1: capable of. And I know we have surveillance video footage,
31:22
Speaker 1: but that footage was not able to capture the vehicle's
31:26
Speaker 1: license plates. Now police are saying there were quote unusual
31:31
Speaker 1: markings on the car that helped investigators track it down.
31:35
Speaker 1: And it's actually quite a science, uh too. You've got
31:40
Speaker 1: investigators that do nothing but this. Very often you will find,
31:44
Speaker 1: especially in large urban areas, a whole division and investigators
31:48
Speaker 1: detectives that deal with, for instance, stolen cars. They can
31:51
Speaker 1: tell you, they can take one look at a car
31:53
Speaker 1: and tell you pretty much the make, the model, and
31:58
Speaker 1: very very often they are based on the tail lights,
32:03
Speaker 1: the grill, subtle changes in the car. That's how it
32:08
Speaker 1: goes down there. There's a part and you're gonna remember this,
32:11
Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, And um, it's funny in aristoats and there
32:16
Speaker 1: are two dogs, their tracker dogs, and one can hold
32:19
Speaker 1: up his ear and he can tell you what kind
32:21
Speaker 1: of car it is, what's wrong with the back tire,
32:24
Speaker 1: and how many how many creatures are in it, and
32:27
Speaker 1: how fast it's coming and how far away it is.
32:31
Speaker 1: That's a funny anecdote. But in this case. They looked
32:35
Speaker 1: at that Chevy Malibu. They didn't have a license plate,
32:40
Speaker 1: but they could determine the make and the model. Then
32:42
Speaker 1: they figured out in that population of two thousand, who
32:46
Speaker 1: was driving a Chevy Malibu. Then they said it had
32:49
Speaker 1: unusual markings on it and that is how they found him.
32:53
Speaker 1: This is going to be attacked in court, Kathleen. If
32:56
Speaker 1: they can do it, the defense will get that video
32:58
Speaker 1: thrown out. They won't you throw now, They will not
33:01
Speaker 1: get that video through Now. This guy is obviously done
33:06
Speaker 1: this before, and I would suggest, Nancy that there are
33:10
Speaker 1: videos if they are able to go back and see
33:13
Speaker 1: what he did to the sister of that young woman
33:16
Speaker 1: that came back in. Is there other evidence and at
33:20
Speaker 1: the minute, there's another connection, there's another connection, Kathleen to
33:25
Speaker 1: Karen Smith, you're the forensics expert. Isn't it true that Rivera,
33:30
Speaker 1: the perp, the alleged perp girlfriend is Facebook friends with
33:35
Speaker 1: Molly and her brother. There's the connection right there. Yeah,
33:39
Speaker 1: that It sounds to me like there's two degrees of
33:41
Speaker 1: separation there. So obviously to me, it sounds like he
33:45
Speaker 1: knew at least who she was, if not being just
33:50
Speaker 1: an acquaintance. Of so that social media account and his
33:54
Speaker 1: digital footprint are going to come into a huge part
33:57
Speaker 1: of this trial. It's gonna be interesting to see what
33:59
Speaker 1: they can dig up on. And we are learning at
34:02
Speaker 1: this hour FBI canine units hunting for the weapon used
34:08
Speaker 1: to murder Molly Tibbitts, as the autopsy revealing she was
34:13
Speaker 1: stabbed dead with multiple sharp force blows, multiple sharp force blows.
34:23
Speaker 1: And we are quoting from law enforcement and authorities, FBI
34:29
Speaker 1: K nine units at this hour hunting for the weapon
34:32
Speaker 1: used in Molly Tibbitts murder, her autopsy revealing she was
34:37
Speaker 1: quote stabbed to death with multiple sharp force blows. Now,
34:43
Speaker 1: what that says to me right off the bat is
34:45
Speaker 1: the word multiple. We all know that premeditation under the
34:49
Speaker 1: law takes the twinkling of an eye a moment. The
34:53
Speaker 1: time it takes for you to pull the trigger is
34:55
Speaker 1: time enough under the law to form premeditation. It does
34:59
Speaker 1: not a choir, a long drawn out plan, such a
35:03
Speaker 1: poisoning someone over a period of months or hiring a
35:06
Speaker 1: hit manner lying in wait. It can happen just like that, Bam, premeditation.
35:13
Speaker 1: The point multiple sharp force blows that shows a it
35:19
Speaker 1: was not an accident such as she fell on a
35:21
Speaker 1: rock and and hit her head. Multiple means many and
35:27
Speaker 1: many means. There's time in between each blow to form
35:31
Speaker 1: intent that is murder. One joining me right now, Dr
35:37
Speaker 1: Chloe Carmichael, New York psychologist and founder a Transformation Products
35:42
Speaker 1: dot Com. Also with me, Joseph Scott Morgan, as you know,
35:49
Speaker 1: death investigator, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University and author of
35:54
Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet. I want to talk about what
35:56
Speaker 1: we're learning from the autopsy way in analyze Joe scot
36:00
Speaker 1: Okay Nancy. When she was found, she was found in
36:03
Speaker 1: what would be considered to an advanced moderate state of
36:06
Speaker 1: decomposition in this corn field, if you'll recall covered with stocks. Now,
36:13
Speaker 1: this is a particularly difficult case in the sense that
36:18
Speaker 1: her body has begun to break down. And what a
36:21
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know is that in cases like this,
36:23
Speaker 1: one of the things that we'll do in the mortgage
36:24
Speaker 1: that we will take the body, lay it out, and
36:27
Speaker 1: we will do full body length X rays. Now, this
36:31
Speaker 1: is key because we're talking about sharp force injuries. That's
36:35
Speaker 1: what they've identified as the primary cause of death here.
36:39
Speaker 1: Sharp force injuries he's essentially driving this metal object into
36:44
Speaker 1: her body, and every time that he does this, there
36:47
Speaker 1: is a potential that this break, that this blade is
36:51
Speaker 1: actually fracturing. So one of the things they're gonna be
36:53
Speaker 1: looking for our little metallic uh, metallic bodies that are
36:58
Speaker 1: throughout the body over the area where these wounds took place.
37:01
Speaker 1: A good A good thing about this is that her
37:04
Speaker 1: body is so decomposed, they're not Some of the stuff
37:07
Speaker 1: will not be allowed in court. But what's very powerful
37:11
Speaker 1: is that these X rays will be shown in court.
37:13
Speaker 1: And you're telling me Joseph's got Morgan in the X
37:15
Speaker 1: rays will reveal metallic fragments. Now, are metallic fragments typically
37:24
Speaker 1: um left behind when a sharp force blow occurs that
37:30
Speaker 1: must be naked to the uh, invisible to the naked eye.
37:35
Speaker 1: Because I've never seen them and a knife wound. So
37:39
Speaker 1: you're telling me this is normal, it is. It occurs
37:43
Speaker 1: with great frequency in in my in my sphere, at least,
37:47
Speaker 1: I've seen them over and over again, and you have
37:49
Speaker 1: to be careful to look for them. But they are
37:51
Speaker 1: actually there. And this is another important piece here. If
37:54
Speaker 1: that blade is fractured in any way whatsoever, and they
37:58
Speaker 1: can't find them, and they've eventually find the blade. This
38:01
Speaker 1: is gonna be a tie back because metallurgical analysis will
38:04
Speaker 1: tie that fragment back to the blade itself and it
38:07
Speaker 1: will be there and they and that's another piece of
38:10
Speaker 1: linkage as the lawyers put this case together. Well, we
38:13
Speaker 1: also know that the FBI Evidence Response Team swoops in
38:17
Speaker 1: just moments after the autopsy revealed Molly killed by multiple
38:22
Speaker 1: sharp force injuries to look for the murder weapon. You know,
38:28
Speaker 1: I think it takes a particular type of killer to
38:31
Speaker 1: kill with a knife. But hold on, before I go
38:33
Speaker 1: to Dr Chloe, are we sure that the murder weapon
38:37
Speaker 1: is a knife? When they say multiple sharp force injuries?
38:42
Speaker 1: Could that be from a rock? Could it be from
38:45
Speaker 1: another object? Are you convinced it's a knife? Joseph Scott
38:48
Speaker 1: Morgan Not necessarily, Nancy, because there their hedge and their
38:52
Speaker 1: bets here. When they say multiple sharp force injuries, what
38:55
Speaker 1: they are saying is that it was sharp enough to
38:58
Speaker 1: penetrate the body. Mull Ti times. Now, obviously logic would
39:02
Speaker 1: Dick penetrade the body. Why do you say penetrate the body? Well,
39:05
Speaker 1: because these are are sharp. Now, whether it's a slicing injury, say,
39:10
Speaker 1: for instance, it's an incised wound, which you know you've
39:14
Speaker 1: heard the old term dying by a thousand, by a
39:16
Speaker 1: thousand cuts. You can't slice the body as opposed to penetrating, say,
39:21
Speaker 1: for instance, the chest wall where it's driven into the body.
39:24
Speaker 1: But you're talking about a multiple frenzied event. Here is
39:29
Speaker 1: what it sounds like to me. I've got another thought
39:31
Speaker 1: for you, Joseph Scott morgan Um. When they're saying multiple
39:36
Speaker 1: sharp force injuries, sharp force blows that could be hit
39:43
Speaker 1: in the head with a rock or or could it No,
39:47
Speaker 1: because when they say because if it was hit in
39:50
Speaker 1: the head with the rock, they would frame that by
39:52
Speaker 1: using blunt sharp Now, what you will see many times
39:57
Speaker 1: with with these sharp force injuries, you'll see bruising that's
40:01
Speaker 1: left by what we refer to as the hilt mark.
40:04
Speaker 1: If he buries this knife into her so deep the
40:07
Speaker 1: hilt or that that break that's on the that's on
40:10
Speaker 1: the handle can actually leave a bruised area on the body.
40:15
Speaker 1: And this is gonna be key, Nancy. Did he do
40:17
Speaker 1: this in the field or did he actually do this
40:20
Speaker 1: in that car? That is a mobile rolling crime scene day.
40:26
Speaker 1: It is a necessity that that vehicle is locked down,
40:29
Speaker 1: because if she has been stabbed multiple times, Nancy, that
40:33
Speaker 1: that environment within that car will just be just be
40:36
Speaker 1: effuse with with with blood evidence. You know. Another issue,
40:40
Speaker 1: another issue here. I want to be very clear and
40:44
Speaker 1: I'll let you explain it. Technically, what is a sharp
40:48
Speaker 1: force blow? And they are very clearly stating stabbed to death.
40:54
Speaker 1: So to me that rules out of rock or another
40:57
Speaker 1: blunt object. But what's important to me about the fact
41:00
Speaker 1: that it most likely is a knife is that he
41:02
Speaker 1: came into it with a weapon. It's not as if
41:07
Speaker 1: he just lost his temper and grabbed a rock and
41:09
Speaker 1: hit her in the head. He came with a weapon. Yeah,
41:13
Speaker 1: he he came prepared. And again this goes to this
41:15
Speaker 1: idea of a premeditative or prepared event. As you stated earlier,
41:20
Speaker 1: he had time to form intent. You know, if he
41:24
Speaker 1: is stopping her along the road, he sees something that
41:27
Speaker 1: he is uh, you know that he's he's driven towards
41:30
Speaker 1: in her, in her Uh. He shows up, he knows
41:33
Speaker 1: that he's going to overpower her. How do you, okay,
41:36
Speaker 1: how do you get her into that car? That's the
41:38
Speaker 1: thing that's always bugged me about this, Nancy, how do
41:41
Speaker 1: you subdue her to the point where you get her
41:43
Speaker 1: in the car? You know, he dismounted the car, got out,
41:46
Speaker 1: And what he is saying about his own admission and
41:49
Speaker 1: this the statement that he gave them is that he
41:51
Speaker 1: walked alongside her talking to her. Well, she's he even says,
41:55
Speaker 1: she stated that she was going to call the police. Well,
41:58
Speaker 1: how do you compel her to get into the vehicle
42:01
Speaker 1: with you? Well, the only thing I can think is
42:04
Speaker 1: that he had some kind of weapon with him that's
42:08
Speaker 1: driving her back towards this vehicle. Get in the car
42:10
Speaker 1: with me right now. And again, we don't know what
42:14
Speaker 1: really happened after that because he quote unquote blocked his memory.
42:18
Speaker 1: Where in the hell that means? And you know what
42:21
Speaker 1: happened in that interroom? Are we talking about sexual assault
42:24
Speaker 1: in that vehicle? Did he drive her somewhere else? Hold
42:26
Speaker 1: on just a moment, I know Dr Chloe wants saying.
42:29
Speaker 1: Dr Chloe, New York psychologist, founder of Transformation Products dot
42:33
Speaker 1: com dot com dotr Chloe weigh in, Well, Nancy, I
42:37
Speaker 1: actually really agree with what Jeff Scott was just getting
42:39
Speaker 1: at there, which is it's quite a curious statement on
42:43
Speaker 1: his part, that he quote blocked his memory Um at
42:47
Speaker 1: that particular time. You know whether he's unable or unwilling
42:52
Speaker 1: to recall that, or whether he has any other history
42:55
Speaker 1: of his memory just suddenly lapsing. Um. It's seems really
43:00
Speaker 1: implausible to me. Um. And obviously then he covered her
43:05
Speaker 1: body afterwards, so he was actually I think it sounds
43:09
Speaker 1: like quite cognizant of what he was doing. So it
43:14
Speaker 1: almost feels to me as if saying that he blocked
43:17
Speaker 1: his memory is some kind of a juvenile attempt to
43:22
Speaker 1: avoid taking responsibility for what he did. You are listening
43:26
Speaker 1: to crime stories with Nancy Grace. We are also learning
43:30
Speaker 1: right now that police have descend it on the home
43:34
Speaker 1: where Christian Rivera lives, just four miles from where Molly
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Speaker 1: was kidnapped, The place strown with beer cans and garbage.
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Speaker 1: This is what we know at this hour, as we
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Speaker 1: wait for justice to unfold. Right now, Molly's family and
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Speaker 1: her longtime sweetheart are planning a funeral. And I can
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Speaker 1: tell you I'm member of my fiance's funeral. Hardly at all,
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Speaker 1: Hardly at all. It was like a haze, like I
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Speaker 1: was seeing it through like this, Um, reddish yellow burning
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Speaker 1: haze like a filter, the little bits of it that
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Speaker 1: I remember. So right now, all I believe that we
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Speaker 1: can do to help Molly is to pray her for
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Speaker 1: her family and that justice unfolds. Listen to this. Every day,
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Speaker 1: I feel Molly's presence with me, Um. You know, sometimes
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Speaker 1: I just feel her sitting on my shoulder. And Molly
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Speaker 1: was an incredibly strong young woman. And I don't know
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Speaker 1: that I have the strengthen me, but Molly's lending me
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Speaker 1: her strength every day, every night. And yes I have
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Speaker 1: my moments of complete mouthdowns, but it is through this
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Speaker 1: strength that is somehow, and I don't know how being
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Speaker 1: bestowed upon me that I am able to get through
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Speaker 1: every morning, every noon, every night. That is Molly's mother, Laura.
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Speaker 1: May she have some peace in the days that come.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,