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Episode 8 - The Who Behind the 2026 Moose-aroo! · Model Car Mania Podcast

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SPEAKER_09: So today I uh was running late during my working time for lunchtime and I uh I asked my office manager, I said, Hey, I was gonna order some lunch.
0:09
SPEAKER_09: Did you want anything?
0:10
SPEAKER_09: And she's like, Yeah, what are you getting?
0:12
SPEAKER_09: So there's a there's a canes nearby, so I was gonna door-dash some canes.
0:16
SPEAKER_09: That's fried chicken for anybody that doesn't know what it is.
0:21
SPEAKER_09: So I I I door I I ordered it, set it all up, and then like five minutes before it it was set to be delivered, I realized I never changed the address.
0:33
SPEAKER_08: So now I had to go to my apartment to pick up the food I had delivered.
0:43
SPEAKER_08: I had to drive past the restaurant.
0:46
SPEAKER_02: That's hilarious.
0:48
SPEAKER_08: I had to drive further than the restaurant to pick up the food that I paid to have delivered.
0:54
SPEAKER_09: That's amazing.
0:55
SPEAKER_09: And then on top of that, someone let the guy into the building, so he didn't just leave it out front.
1:02
SPEAKER_09: He took it all the way up to my door, all the way three floor top.
1:05
SPEAKER_08: I'm like, what the fucker?
1:08
SPEAKER_08: I was like, son of a bitch.
1:10
SPEAKER_08: I got back to work.
1:11
SPEAKER_08: I'm like, I'm done.
1:12
SPEAKER_08: I'm done for the day.
1:13
SPEAKER_08: I'm not doing anything else.
1:22
SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Model Car Mania, a modeling and sanity productions podcast dedicated to everything automotive and car modeling.
1:30
SPEAKER_01: Here are the hosts of the Model Car Mania Podcast.
1:33
SPEAKER_01: BG, Jason Hanscomb, Justin Ryan, Mike Outlaw, and Jody Doyle.
1:49
SPEAKER_10: Hello and welcome back to the Model Car Mania Podcast.
1:52
SPEAKER_10: This is your friend, Mr.
1:53
SPEAKER_10: BG, along with a few fellows with scale model building talent beyond those of mere moral men.
1:59
SPEAKER_10: First off, this guy likes building cars more than shoveling snow, Jason Hanscom.
2:04
SPEAKER_10: What's up, everybody?
2:05
SPEAKER_10: And next up, we have the baddest of the bad Santas, Justin Ryan.
2:10
SPEAKER_08: Ho ho ho, mother father.
2:13
SPEAKER_10: What's up, everyone?
2:15
SPEAKER_10: And next, our our resident expert in being an expert, Jody Doyle.
2:19
SPEAKER_10: Welcome back, everybody.
2:21
SPEAKER_10: And finally, the guy they call to replace the mechanical bull when it breaks, Mikey the scale model outlaw.
2:26
SPEAKER_10: What is going on, everybody?
2:28
SPEAKER_10: Good to be back.
2:29
SPEAKER_10: And unfortunately, you can't see this, but they have six wheels on our bus today, and we have a special guest, Brian Denklau.
2:35
SPEAKER_10: Hi, everybody.
2:37
SPEAKER_10: He is the calmest one of the bunch right now.
2:39
SPEAKER_11: He is the calmest one of the bunch.
2:41
SPEAKER_11: I like it.
2:43
SPEAKER_10: All right, my friends.
2:44
SPEAKER_10: Hey, I tell you what, once why don't we go ahead and get started on what's on our benches and uh go from there?
2:50
SPEAKER_10: What do you say?
2:51
SPEAKER_02: Sounds good.
2:52
SPEAKER_10: Yes, unanimous, unanimous and all.
2:55
SPEAKER_10: What's gonna start with Jody?
2:57
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so I just I feel I finished up the uh Rolls Royce Pro Touring.
3:01
SPEAKER_05: I've got that out to a couple shows now, and um feels good to get that one done.
3:06
SPEAKER_05: I've been working on this Studebaker Avanti.
3:09
SPEAKER_05: I was trying to get done for NL East, but uh I had a horrid day today in the paint booth.
3:15
SPEAKER_05: And the first time in seven years, I actually had to strip a body because I was not happy with it.
3:22
SPEAKER_05: So that that will not be making it to NNL East.
3:26
SPEAKER_05: Uh goodness.
3:28
SPEAKER_05: Uh I do have the um short track group build, the Gremlin.
3:31
SPEAKER_05: I've been kind of poking at that a little bit.
3:34
SPEAKER_05: So a couple things, not too too much.
3:36
SPEAKER_05: I got a bunch of stuff started, but I really want to try to finish up a few of these before I move on to anything new.
3:42
SPEAKER_05: So that's pretty much it for me.
3:44
SPEAKER_10: Is your uh Rolls Royce destroying the competition like it should be?
3:48
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's it's it's doing okay.
3:50
SPEAKER_10: I got two shows, two golds, so that's that's that's what 200% success rate?
3:56
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, pretty much, yeah.
3:58
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I I did want to ask you, Jody, when you said you finished it, does that include the re-finishing that you did since the last time we all talked?
4:07
SPEAKER_05: Yes, I pulled the bumpers off because I wasn't happy with them, and I stripped them, did a little bit of repair, and um re-chrome them.
4:15
SPEAKER_05: So it's a lot better now.
4:17
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, okay.
4:18
SPEAKER_10: Good deal.
4:19
SPEAKER_10: Uh, I'm curious to know what you did with those bumpers, so we'll have to chat afterwards because I have bumpers of my my own over here that I'm not happy with.
4:26
SPEAKER_02: Excellent.
4:27
SPEAKER_10: Cool.
4:27
SPEAKER_10: Okay, let's move on to Mikey.
4:30
SPEAKER_10: We missed you last uh recording, Mikey.
4:31
SPEAKER_10: Hope you're feeling better now.
4:33
SPEAKER_03: Doing much, much better.
4:34
SPEAKER_03: Still got a little bit of a cough, but laid in bed for three or four days because with a fever and yuckiness, and definitely feels good to be back, and definitely feels good to not be feeling like crap anymore.
4:45
SPEAKER_03: Now, Mikey, are you at the point where you're not afraid to use that cough?
4:50
SPEAKER_03: Right, yeah, right exactly.
4:52
SPEAKER_03: Oh my exactly.
4:54
SPEAKER_03: We'll just leave that at that.
4:55
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I am, I'm safe now.
4:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, but what's on my bench?
4:59
SPEAKER_03: Well, as many of you know, I've been working on my Saturday night short track group build since Moby Dick was a minnow, but I've got it down, I've gotten a little bit of work done since Sunday.
5:09
SPEAKER_03: I actually got the uh body, the outer skin glued to the inner skin, and uh I had to redo my nerf bars and my uh front and rear bumpers uh with the gloss black.
5:21
SPEAKER_03: Uh the ones I I had I was trying to take a shortcut and I used the uh Mr.
5:25
SPEAKER_03: Surfacer Black Primer, and it's not a gloss black, so the chrome doesn't show up as well on it.
5:30
SPEAKER_03: It ended up being more like a silver, so that's what I get for taking shortcuts.
5:34
SPEAKER_03: Uh I went back to my tried and true, which is my testers gloss black mix 5050 with Alclad over top of that.
5:41
SPEAKER_03: So right now the uh testers is drying, which is dry, and then the Alclad will go on top of that.
5:46
SPEAKER_03: I'm also tinkering with the um 67 dart that I built earlier this year.
5:52
SPEAKER_03: Uh I'm doing putting some more details under the hood and getting it cleaned up.
5:56
SPEAKER_03: I shortened up the uh parachute on it, and those are the two the uh dirt track modified that's a replica of my brother's car, and the dart are both going with me to NL East.
6:07
SPEAKER_03: Nice, excellent, very good.
6:10
SPEAKER_10: Thank you, Mikey.
6:10
SPEAKER_10: As he chokes, as he's done as he chokes.
6:15
SPEAKER_03: Well, I got that cough, and I'm trying not to cough all over everything.
6:18
SPEAKER_10: So well, we appreciate that.
6:20
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, we you know, mask up, dude.
6:22
SPEAKER_10: So we don't get it.
6:24
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, exactly.
6:26
SPEAKER_10: I tell you what, why don't we go ahead and throw Brian into the mix here?
6:30
SPEAKER_10: So, Brian, what have you got going on your bench?
6:31
SPEAKER_10: It looks rather cluttered in the background.
6:34
SPEAKER_10: I like it.
6:35
SPEAKER_06: This is the signs of of of productivity.
6:38
SPEAKER_06: I'll have you know.
6:39
SPEAKER_06: Yes, agreed.
6:41
SPEAKER_06: I have like nine things going on at the same time.
6:44
SPEAKER_06: I always do.
6:45
SPEAKER_06: Um, no, we just uh recently we just wrapped up the the Moosuru, as we all know.
6:51
SPEAKER_06: Um, that was the major thing that was like occupying my bench.
6:54
SPEAKER_06: Right now I'm prepping for uh the upcoming MFCA show here in in a couple of weeks out in Philadelphia.
7:00
SPEAKER_06: So I'm kind of like wrapping up a few things that I have like in the 80 percentile range to just kind of like throw out there uh out on the on the tables and uh and uh yeah, just working my ass off at the day job.
7:14
SPEAKER_06: Just uh yeah, so I do have a lot of things in the background though.
7:19
SPEAKER_06: That stupid day job gets annoyed on a lot of things, doesn't it?
7:24
SPEAKER_10: Well, thank you very much.
7:25
SPEAKER_10: I can't wait the the thing you do in order to afford your hobby, yeah.
7:31
SPEAKER_10: That thing.
7:32
SPEAKER_10: Thank you very much, Brian.
7:33
SPEAKER_10: Uh let's see, let's move on to Jason.
7:35
SPEAKER_10: What have you got going on there, sir?
7:37
SPEAKER_11: I'm working on my uh Saturday night short track build.
7:41
SPEAKER_11: I've got the chassis done, audi is painted.
7:44
SPEAKER_11: I am waiting decals because I'm hoping to get something really cool uh at NNL East.
7:50
SPEAKER_11: I hear that Ace Decals is gonna actually be there, so I am going to be perusing all of the decals looking for something that's gonna be different to put on this thing.
8:01
SPEAKER_11: And I actually just whipped out nothing from Justin, huh?
8:07
SPEAKER_11: Anyway, uh so I just um took out the uh the Ape car from MCV products and did a weekend build on that.
8:18
SPEAKER_11: And that came out really, really well, I think.
8:21
SPEAKER_11: Got this kind of thing with Irv from Arterake where he saw in a video that I had bought one, so he bought one, and then he built his before I could build mine, and then challenged me to build mine.
8:33
SPEAKER_11: So we've got this thing going.
8:35
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, and it was fun.
8:36
SPEAKER_11: Uh the video for that will release as of this recording tomorrow.
8:41
SPEAKER_11: Uh, but it was a really cool kit.
8:43
SPEAKER_11: It went together really well.
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SPEAKER_11: No complaints about it whatsoever.
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SPEAKER_11: I recommend everybody pick one up.
8:49
SPEAKER_11: Nice.
8:49
SPEAKER_11: Okay.
8:50
SPEAKER_10: I'm glad uh glad Irv was able to to coax you into getting one of those things built.
8:56
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, yeah, it was it was fun.
8:57
SPEAKER_11: And if he hadn't, it might have sat here for a year, who knows?
9:01
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, right.
9:03
SPEAKER_11: Did he do a double dog dare on you?
9:06
SPEAKER_11: Kinda sorta, yeah.
9:08
SPEAKER_11: And uh other than that, the only other thing I'm doing at the present time is cleaning up the models that I'm going to bring to NNL East.
9:15
SPEAKER_11: That's a thing.
9:16
SPEAKER_11: Definitely a thing.
9:18
SPEAKER_10: It is very good.
9:19
SPEAKER_10: Okay, thank you, Jason.
9:20
SPEAKER_10: And Justin, what have you got going on, my friend?
9:23
SPEAKER_09: I got a little of everything.
9:25
SPEAKER_09: Similar to Brian.
9:27
SPEAKER_09: Um, I don't know if I have nine things going, but I do have a bunch.
9:32
SPEAKER_09: Uh I just recently started on the Sunday builds, uh, the 135th scale Apache from Meng, or Mung, as many people say it's pronounced.
9:44
SPEAKER_09: Uh, got the cockpit done uh yesterday morning before work on that one.
9:49
SPEAKER_09: Um I got a little bit going on the Iceman Collections 4 truck build.
9:55
SPEAKER_09: Uh sanded the body out on that.
9:58
SPEAKER_09: Uh, my nine-inch rear came from Iceman last week.
10:00
SPEAKER_09: Haven't gotten a chance to get back to that one yet, but uh it will be back on the bench soon.
10:06
SPEAKER_09: I had to uh a while back, I chopped the top and then flame painted, painted with flames, however you want to put it, a 49 Merc from AMT.
10:18
SPEAKER_09: Uh somewhere in the move, something spilled on the hood.
10:23
SPEAKER_09: So I ended up having to strip it.
10:26
SPEAKER_09: I now have it sitting in brown primer because I didn't want to use up all my black.
10:31
SPEAKER_09: Uh and it was Mr.
10:32
SPEAKER_09: Mahogany 1000 rather than 1500, blah blah blah, yada yada.
10:36
SPEAKER_09: We don't need to get into that.
10:37
SPEAKER_09: Um, but I do have some paint ordered with tropical glitz.
10:41
SPEAKER_09: Uh, I got a uh metallic cilantro, I think is what it is.
10:45
SPEAKER_09: Like it's a really nice pearlescent metallic green.
10:49
SPEAKER_09: I'm gonna do green with uh traditional flames on that sucker.
10:52
SPEAKER_09: I also ordered a lazy modeler's mask for that.
10:55
SPEAKER_09: Uh it is the mask is for the Revell kit, but I think I'm smart enough to make sure I can use it on the AMT kit.
11:03
SPEAKER_09: Did you already order it and pay for it?
11:05
SPEAKER_11: I did.
11:06
SPEAKER_11: Wish you would have reached out.
11:07
SPEAKER_11: I have two of those.
11:08
SPEAKER_11: I would have given you one.
11:09
SPEAKER_11: It's alright.
11:10
SPEAKER_11: That's all right.
11:11
SPEAKER_11: I might do another one sometime.
11:12
SPEAKER_10: Brian, did you have a question?
11:14
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I did have a question.
11:15
SPEAKER_06: I'm curious, Justin, if that paint is that like a one-shot paint where it's got the flake and the color and the transparency elements in it.
11:23
SPEAKER_09: Yes, yeah, it is ready to spray.
11:26
SPEAKER_09: It's the uh Musuru cup was all tropical glitz paint.
11:30
SPEAKER_09: Uh okay, so those colors that you see in there are the colors from Tropical Glitz.
11:35
SPEAKER_09: They are straight up metallic pearl green.
11:39
SPEAKER_09: In this in this particular instance, it's not a candy paint, they do sell candy paints as well.
11:43
SPEAKER_09: Uh, but I just didn't feel like going in there and starting to layering all that stuff.
11:47
SPEAKER_09: I just wanted to spray it green, put an inner coat clear on that sucker, put my flames on it, and clear coat it again.
11:53
SPEAKER_09: And then I was uh when I since I was placing an order for paint, I was trying to figure out what color I wanted to paint that uh 54 Ford truck for the Iceman group build.
12:05
SPEAKER_09: So I decided on uh Tropical Glitz Pineapple Lollipop.
12:10
SPEAKER_09: It's kind of a golden, slightly orange yellow with that deep metallic pearl, and I think that'll look good with some charcoal colored wheels and grill.
12:21
SPEAKER_09: For the most part, that's what's at the bench.
12:24
SPEAKER_09: Thursday morning, I will be leaving on a 10-hour road trip with my man Lou for Amps Nats.
12:31
SPEAKER_09: So, building at the bench is gonna be on hold until at least next week.
12:35
SPEAKER_10: Damn, you got a lot going on, dude.
12:36
SPEAKER_09: I do at Amps Nats, I do plan on just sitting at the insanity table painting figures the whole time.
12:43
SPEAKER_09: So um, so there's sounds like a good time.
12:48
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's right.
12:49
SPEAKER_10: I thought it was interesting when you when you mentioned candy coats.
12:52
SPEAKER_10: Mike was like really interested in leaning forward.
12:54
SPEAKER_10: I'm like, it's not that kind of candy, Mike.
12:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:57
SPEAKER_03: The the cilantro green that he's talking about is a beautiful color, and uh they actually actually have a uh dry metal flake that you can add to it and then clear coat on top of it's a beautiful, beautiful color.
13:09
SPEAKER_03: I actually spent some time uh chatting with Manny, uh the owner of Tropical Glitz uh last couple days.
13:15
SPEAKER_03: He's going to be at NL East as well, and uh we're gonna have the uh pleasure to be able to meet him face to face.
13:21
SPEAKER_03: So I'm excited about seeing him up there at NL East.
13:23
SPEAKER_09: I did mention uh because apparently my address, my mailing address, kicked off to them that it was uh an incorrect address.
13:32
SPEAKER_09: So I had to email back the customer service support team, and I did say, hey, I'm not going to be at the show, but I am meeting the Model Car Mania guys for breakfast the next day.
13:43
SPEAKER_09: Hopefully, you guys can join us.
13:45
SPEAKER_09: And whoever it is at the customer service team said they were going to send that information out to the team that will be at NNL East.
13:53
SPEAKER_09: So, Mikey, that's your job.
13:55
SPEAKER_09: Secure him for breakfast on Sunday.
13:56
SPEAKER_09: I'd like to meet him.
13:57
SPEAKER_09: Absolutely.
13:58
SPEAKER_03: That's I was working on that and dropped that bombshell on him as well.
14:02
SPEAKER_03: And uh, there is going to be a possibility that we might be able to interview here him, uh Mr.
14:08
SPEAKER_03: Manny, right here on our podcast.
14:11
SPEAKER_03: Looking forward to that.
14:12
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and I chatted with him last year at NNL East.
14:16
SPEAKER_05: He saw the uh the pink edsel that I built, and he thought it was one he thought it was his paint because it looks very similar to one of his.
14:24
SPEAKER_05: I said, No, that's cheap craft paint.
14:26
SPEAKER_05: It was cheap craft paint.
14:27
SPEAKER_05: What are you talking about?
14:28
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I went over and showed him, and he was like, Oh, okay.
14:32
SPEAKER_05: I'm like, Yeah, he's like, uh, he goes, I would have been convinced that it was mine.
14:37
SPEAKER_05: I said, No, we had a we had a nice chat actually for quite some time last year.
14:41
SPEAKER_05: That really nice guy, so nice, yeah.
14:43
SPEAKER_10: Super, super nice guy.
14:45
SPEAKER_10: That speaks volumes about your painting style, where if you can take that and make it look like one of his high-end paints, yeah.
14:52
SPEAKER_09: That's how I'm looking at it.
14:53
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I just look for reasons to buy his paint.
14:57
SPEAKER_09: I easily have a dozen colors in my paint drawer, so yeah.
15:00
SPEAKER_10: So I'm I'm going the different route though.
15:02
SPEAKER_10: I'm going with uh with Kaleido stuff.
15:04
SPEAKER_10: I'm really liking their their paints these days, so I'll have to fill you guys in on that later on.
15:10
SPEAKER_10: But psychically, I hear you guys asking, but Mr.
15:12
SPEAKER_10: BG, what have you got going on in your bench?
15:14
SPEAKER_10: Well, I'll tell you, I have finished the DeLorean from Back to the Future.
15:19
SPEAKER_10: It only took three weeks.
15:20
SPEAKER_10: The three-hour build, the three-hour build that only took three weeks, yes.
15:25
SPEAKER_10: Like again, I only had like an hour every few days to to to to futz with it, and I I did take it back and re and redo it.
15:33
SPEAKER_10: And yes, I did not like the bumpers on that either, so I repainted those.
15:38
SPEAKER_10: Uh, that makes three of us now, right?
15:40
SPEAKER_10: That was Jody, Mike, and me didn't like the bumpers on our build.
15:42
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's right.
15:44
SPEAKER_10: So uh I got that done, and then I felt inspired to get back onto the uh 67 MPC GTO.
15:51
SPEAKER_10: Oh my! I'm good.
15:52
SPEAKER_10: Working on that again.
15:54
SPEAKER_10: Uh, I actually got the body and primer today, and I've been working on the rear suspension trying to make that look a little more realistic rather than what comes in the kit.
16:02
SPEAKER_10: Uh and then I oh, I painted the engine block.
16:05
SPEAKER_10: Um, I used one of the new Kaleido paints I just got the other day.
16:08
SPEAKER_10: I got I got their set of transparent colors, and I did as uh so I did a stainless steel color on the engine block, and I did a transparent teal, and it looks really cool.
16:20
SPEAKER_10: Nice so I will post some pictures on the Model Caramania page so you guys can check out the engine and where that was going at that.
16:26
SPEAKER_10: But uh, we had a a model club meeting on Saturday.
16:29
SPEAKER_10: I just dropped the video on my channel today, time of recording.
16:32
SPEAKER_10: We we had a member in our club that had discovered this really awesome little uh I guess you could call it a paint gun.
16:40
SPEAKER_10: I don't know, but it it takes uh markers and transforms them into the paint source.
16:48
SPEAKER_10: He found it at Hobby Lobby for like 27 bucks, but he was uh he'd been experimenting with it and demonstrated how how to use them.
16:55
SPEAKER_10: They work best with sharpies.
16:57
SPEAKER_10: We tried using some uh the AK markers, the tips on those aren't quite right.
17:01
SPEAKER_10: We tried experimenting with the Gundam markers, those didn't quite work out well.
17:06
SPEAKER_10: So the best things were like the uh the Sharpie markers, but he was tinting the window glass for his stock car with a light gray sharpie marker.
17:14
SPEAKER_11: It turns a sharpie into pow.
17:18
SPEAKER_10: I saw it on YouTube.
17:19
SPEAKER_10: Well, it blows the ink essentially.
17:22
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, Mike saw it on YouTube, so you know it's true, but uh it actually has two different little receivers you plug into the thing, and then you stick the pen in, and then uh crank a little lever, and the lever actually injects a pin.
17:36
SPEAKER_10: That's right, Brian ex injects a pin into the nozzle of the of the brush, a brush of the of the pen, and then uh blows air through that and just uses the uh and but what's really cool is the pin the markers don't dry out right away.
17:52
SPEAKER_11: God, okay.
17:53
SPEAKER_11: We need visual.
17:55
SPEAKER_10: Anybody tell Brian that this isn't uh uh this is actually early so that J that Jason could stay on top of it.
18:02
SPEAKER_06: I know that this is all a little podcast.
18:05
SPEAKER_08: I'm not worried about it, yeah.
18:06
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it was for you.
18:08
SPEAKER_10: For for our listeners, for our listeners at home, Brian's over in the upper right-hand corner of my screen.
18:12
SPEAKER_10: He looked like the uh the the person that does the the sign language and stuff in the corner, the translation.
18:19
SPEAKER_10: So so but you understood him, so that's great.
18:22
SPEAKER_05: He was visually explaining the operation of said marker airbrush.
18:27
SPEAKER_11: I'll tell you what, it's if it wasn't for him, I'd still be lost.
18:31
SPEAKER_10: So my friend Jake actually had some Silvino chrome pieces, and he was gonna strip them anyway.
18:40
SPEAKER_10: So he painted the chrome pieces with uh a couple of red markers, and man, did that look awesome because it looked like actual like plated anodized metal type of thing, and it was just so cool.
18:53
SPEAKER_10: And then he's like, Yeah, it it would it turned out great.
18:55
SPEAKER_10: Like, what are you gonna do with these?
18:56
SPEAKER_10: Like, oh, it's cool.
18:56
SPEAKER_10: I'm just gonna strip them tomorrow, anyways.
18:58
SPEAKER_10: We're like, Oh, all right, well, never mind.
19:00
SPEAKER_10: But uh a cool product, cool product you can check out.
19:04
SPEAKER_10: Uh, if you if you guys out there in listening land actually find one of those and grab it, let us know.
19:09
SPEAKER_10: I'd like to hear your opinions on it.
19:11
SPEAKER_10: That'd be cool.
19:12
SPEAKER_10: That's it for the bench part.
19:14
SPEAKER_10: Let's get on to the show topic.
19:16
SPEAKER_10: Hi, Brian.
19:17
SPEAKER_10: Hi, kids.
19:20
SPEAKER_10: Do you like violence?
19:22
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, um, so we have three of the Musaru builders here today.
19:31
SPEAKER_10: Uh, usually we just have the two, but today we have the third.
19:34
SPEAKER_11: Well, right now we have the most important one, actually.
19:38
SPEAKER_11: Grand Champion, yeah.
19:39
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, I did my best to get here.
19:41
SPEAKER_09: I changed things on my schedule.
19:42
SPEAKER_09: Let's see.
19:42
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, Justin went through so much shit, man.
19:46
SPEAKER_05: The grand champion.
19:47
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
19:49
SPEAKER_10: So who wants to give us a little bit of backstory about the the uh the musaru build?
19:54
SPEAKER_10: Is it the musaru cup or is it just musical build?
19:56
SPEAKER_11: It's the musuru, it's the musaru cup.
19:57
SPEAKER_11: It's a build that IPMS Hamilton does every year with all the podcasts.
20:02
SPEAKER_11: They pick a different host each year.
20:05
SPEAKER_11: They get a kit in the mail, they have no idea what it is until you open it up.
20:10
SPEAKER_11: Then they have to build it, they have a certain amount of time to build it, and you can send pictures into IPMS Hamilton for them to judge and announce a winner at HeritageCon each year.
20:20
SPEAKER_11: And I opened up my big mouth this year and got myself inserted into the Musuru cup and readily got my ass handed to me, which is fine.
20:30
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
20:30
SPEAKER_11: It's fine.
20:31
SPEAKER_06: Oh, you had a fantastic build, and I love the lighting effects as well.
20:35
SPEAKER_06: Don't even like try to discount yourself at all.
20:38
SPEAKER_06: Literally, it was my big ass nose that got me over that shit.
20:42
SPEAKER_11: Well, so I'm not trying to discount my my build.
20:46
SPEAKER_11: I I do agree.
20:47
SPEAKER_11: I think I did a pretty good job, as did Justin.
20:50
SPEAKER_11: As did, as did Whitey.
20:53
SPEAKER_11: I mean, he from the uh the model geeks, he knocked it out of the park.
20:57
SPEAKER_06: He really did.
20:58
SPEAKER_06: Uh, there was a lot of killer.
21:00
SPEAKER_06: I had a side chat going with Whitey.
21:01
SPEAKER_06: I also had a side chat going with Childs and Goldfinch.
21:05
SPEAKER_06: And oh nice.
21:06
SPEAKER_06: I'm always working talking to everybody.
21:09
SPEAKER_11: There you go.
21:09
SPEAKER_11: There you go.
21:12
SPEAKER_11: I've got I've got a side chat going with Whitey too about model airplanes.
21:15
SPEAKER_11: That's so dude.
21:16
SPEAKER_06: Yes, well, I mean, that's too.
21:17
SPEAKER_06: It's like just my chat, Whitey.
21:20
SPEAKER_06: He's a good girl anymore, huh, Jason?
21:22
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, no, no, actually, I don't.
21:24
SPEAKER_11: I'm just kidding.
21:25
SPEAKER_11: Um you've been replaced.
21:27
SPEAKER_11: I've been replaced.
21:29
SPEAKER_11: Get back to the topic.
21:30
SPEAKER_11: Brian here.
21:31
SPEAKER_11: He's uh he is one of the hosts of the Built Sideways podcast.
21:35
SPEAKER_11: Uh, if you guys haven't listened to it out there, you should.
21:38
SPEAKER_11: It's very entertaining.
21:40
SPEAKER_11: And he is the winner of this year's Musuru Cup.
21:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:43
SPEAKER_11: Of course, we had to get him on here to A, congratulate him and uh have him talk about his build because it was excellent.
21:50
SPEAKER_11: Yes, I humbly admit defeat.
21:56
SPEAKER_05: Well, thank you.
21:57
SPEAKER_05: They invited John to virtually break your kneecap.
22:00
SPEAKER_05: Let's be honest.
22:02
SPEAKER_05: Riv won.
22:03
SPEAKER_06: Man, the way Riv was talking about me all the time, man.
22:06
SPEAKER_06: He was like, Oh, I hope he fucking trips and fucking jugular.
22:11
SPEAKER_11: It is funny.
22:12
SPEAKER_11: So this year's Moose Root Cup had a little bit of unplanned drama at the end.
22:17
SPEAKER_11: The suspense was legit killing me for a couple of days.
22:20
SPEAKER_11: Riv was Riv was he was lobbying for for us, Justin and I.
22:27
SPEAKER_11: For his brand, not for us, for his brand.
22:30
SPEAKER_11: Fair enough.
22:32
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, all I know is I'm for two days.
22:35
SPEAKER_11: I had no idea what was going on, but Riv did, because every time I said, you know, reach out to him, hey, do you hear anything?
22:41
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, this is what's going on.
22:43
SPEAKER_11: I'm like, okay.
22:44
SPEAKER_11: So I I can only imagine he was pressuring some people uh to figure out what was up as he as he does.
22:52
SPEAKER_11: And we love him for it.
22:53
SPEAKER_11: So well, yes, he had two horses in that race.
22:56
SPEAKER_11: He did have two horses in that race, yes.
22:59
SPEAKER_11: True.
22:59
SPEAKER_06: So yeah, that's and he's my friend.
23:02
SPEAKER_11: So yeah, yeah, exactly.
23:05
SPEAKER_11: Well, I don't know if he's my friend.
23:08
SPEAKER_11: So can he already employee boss type relationship going on?
23:11
SPEAKER_11: So I don't know.
23:12
SPEAKER_06: That's just Riv.
23:13
SPEAKER_06: That's just Riv.
23:14
SPEAKER_06: Love that little guy.
23:15
SPEAKER_06: He's so good.
23:16
SPEAKER_06: Pick him up and put him on my shoulder so that he can he can see.
23:19
SPEAKER_10: Right.
23:20
SPEAKER_10: By the way, Brian, uh, as as per our last meeting, you he's gonna be buying your podcast, also.
23:24
SPEAKER_10: So just watch it.
23:28
SPEAKER_03: That's right.
23:30
SPEAKER_03: It won't be long, Brian, and you'll be a friend of ours.
23:34
SPEAKER_06: I mean, I already am a friend of y'all's, but uh yeah, he already is, definitely.
23:40
SPEAKER_11: Um, yeah, that's a little backstory on the Moosuru Cup and what happened this year.
23:44
SPEAKER_11: And I figured uh it'd be nice to hear a little bit about your build, Brian, and where you where you thought process was coming from.
23:52
SPEAKER_06: Oh, oh, absolutely, boys, for sure, for sure, for sure.
23:55
SPEAKER_06: Um, okay, so first and foremost, thank you.
23:58
SPEAKER_06: I want to say thank you, Justin and and Jason and BG, Jody, Mike, for you know, you know, congratulating me.
24:04
SPEAKER_06: I appreciate that.
24:05
SPEAKER_06: There's a bunch of other couple other podcasts also that have congratulated me on the win, and I appreciate them too.
24:10
SPEAKER_06: They're fucking great guys.
24:11
SPEAKER_06: They listen to all the podcasts, we're all like kind of friendly with each other, which is fantastic.
24:16
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, um, one thing I wanted to add about the backstory of the Moosoroo Cup is it originally it was just the two podcasts, the skill model podcast out of Canada and on the bench in Australia, and that's where the name for the competition comes from.
24:29
SPEAKER_06: It's the moose from Canada and the Kangaroo from Australia, the Moosoroo Cup.
24:33
SPEAKER_06: So, first it was Ian and can't remember, yeah, and I can't remember who from um skill model podcast, but that was the original just two guys build-off, you know, whatever.
24:45
SPEAKER_02: Anthony Goodman.
24:46
SPEAKER_06: Thank you, Anthony Goodman.
24:48
SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
24:48
SPEAKER_06: They just talked about it recently.
24:49
SPEAKER_06: Good good call, uh Justin.
24:52
SPEAKER_06: And uh, so it just kind of like extrapolated, and Hamilton stuck with it.
24:55
SPEAKER_06: It's fucking great, right?
24:56
SPEAKER_06: This is a great time to it's my second time uh participating in this challenge.
25:01
SPEAKER_06: I took Pabs because Pabs's life is out of control right now.
25:03
SPEAKER_06: He's one of my co-hosts on the on the show.
25:05
SPEAKER_06: Um, and uh I took his spot for this, and it just happened to be a cars, and I'm like, all right, that's great.
25:11
SPEAKER_06: So, yeah, as as you've mentioned, Justin and Jason, that this uh Musuru Cup challenge was the uh 2000 era Tokyo Drift Fast and Furious style JDM cars, you know, drift cars or whatever.
25:26
SPEAKER_06: And Justin repeatedly called out that he didn't think that my car fit the bill, it didn't because I didn't have I didn't turn a 1979 Nissan 430 Cedric, a grandpa's grocery getter, a beloved classic car in Japan, mind you, stock classic.
25:45
SPEAKER_06: They love they just I don't I don't get it, but there are videos of it out there, so I had a chance to see some of them.
25:50
SPEAKER_06: I went so deep on the videos, anyway.
25:53
SPEAKER_06: But yeah, you know, so I did what I could, and uh it leans into uh research on that like subculture of the drift cars.
26:00
SPEAKER_06: Of course, I went through and I watched all the Fast and the Furious movies again, you know, right away at the beginning when I was excited about it and had these like kind of ideas because I you know I watch the Instagram shit, you know, and I you know I follow whatever on YouTube that I can, like the interesting things, but like then learning more about like Kaido racer styling, and then even like you know, the Bosezoku culture from post-World War II that led from motorcycles into the crazy big cars, like the uh silhouette style cars with the you know, you just Jason, you just showed some on your um video earlier today you released about you got a couple of cars that were like almost silhouette stock cars that were like wide stance, extra wide body, boxy cut back.
26:40
SPEAKER_06: There's a big cutaway on the side.
26:41
SPEAKER_06: Usually there's like air vents in the front and the back of those because so that the air can just put pass through.
26:45
SPEAKER_06: Um, but yeah, so get really excited and interested in this stuff because it's all super cool car culture shit.
26:52
SPEAKER_06: And uh taking the form because we had to kind of stick with what our the form of our kits were, so I had to make it look like the Cedric, I had to keep that like like kind of boxy vibe to it, you know.
27:04
SPEAKER_06: And uh I bought a donor kit, I got like a one of those Mopower uh uh funny cars that just like whatever just started pulling some parts out of that just for grins.
27:14
SPEAKER_06: I ended up using just the uh the spoiler from it on the back because these cars tend to have multiple spoilers.
27:20
SPEAKER_06: First and foremost, the duck or a super extended duck tail, which is like absolutely nuts.
27:25
SPEAKER_06: But they just make this stuff out of like one one by one or three-quarter inch steel tubing, and then they just put sometimes they just put like plywood or they put plastic sheeting on it or whatever.
27:35
SPEAKER_06: It's so so janky, and it gets torn off in like a season at the end of the season, they tear it off and they do it all over again with whatever car is underneath it, you know.
27:44
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so um, but yeah, so I was kind of like pulling from a little bit of that.
27:48
SPEAKER_06: I knew I wanted to do cool fender flares, I knew I wanted to like widen the stance on the model itself, and it was just kind of like an organic process of of like looking at the kit, working with the kit, doing drawings, and like planning things out a little bit.
28:02
SPEAKER_06: Um, all the elements on my car are scratch built aside from that uh that you know that uh one spoiler I added from that Mopower from like it's that AMT kit or something.
28:12
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and uh yeah, you're probably familiar with it, it's everywhere.
28:16
SPEAKER_06: Um, yeah, and I was gonna put a hood scoop on it.
28:18
SPEAKER_06: I thought about doing that too, putting a hood scoop and a grill, like a metal grill, uh inside it too, just for grins.
28:23
SPEAKER_06: But I just, you know, those were like you get a lot of ideas, you know.
28:26
SPEAKER_06: So you think about that.
28:27
SPEAKER_06: But yeah, I mean extended the hood, uh, what would it end up being probably like six inches or eight inches in reality in scale form, uh, with styrene sheeting and just like match the curvature of the you know of those styrene built parts to the curvature of the hood, and did a lot of like putty work with Mr.
28:45
SPEAKER_06: 500, you know, just doing normal normal car work shit, you know, bonding, sanding again and again and again and again and again and again until it's flat, you know, until it's perfect, right?
28:54
SPEAKER_06: Chasing lines and just trying to make edge, trying to make sure that it's all like all things are crossed.
28:58
SPEAKER_06: I built three different front splitters on it.
29:00
SPEAKER_06: The third splitter was the one that I ended up using, but I built three different uh variations just because I wasn't quite sure what was going to be the right fit.
29:08
SPEAKER_06: The first one I did was just like a flat sheet with some tubing and stuff like that.
29:11
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you could totally build that, but at the same time, it didn't really fit the vibe and I had a lot of time, so I built another one.
29:17
SPEAKER_06: That one was cool too, but it looked a little too boxy, a little bit too much like a silhouette, and I didn't want to do a silhouette car.
29:22
SPEAKER_06: I wanted to do like you know, flares and skirts and shit.
29:24
SPEAKER_06: So I threw that one out, and then I built the third one, which was the like the scooped front and the like nice sides, and that's just built out of a stacked styring that I filed down because I'm a fabricator, I'm just what I do for a living.
29:38
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, I just I build shit for a living, I always have, and so for me, it's like second nature to be like, Oh, how am I gonna make this?
29:45
SPEAKER_06: All right, here's the the most strong way for me to do this, uh, and like most efficient way is to just like cut them down, pile them up, and shave it back, man.
29:56
SPEAKER_11: Right, yeah.
29:57
SPEAKER_11: So you're totally you're really you're really touching bait.
29:59
SPEAKER_11: I I can see Jody, he loves this scratch building stuff.
30:03
SPEAKER_11: I mean, I do right, yeah.
30:05
SPEAKER_11: I for a good enough friends with Jody to know that he's got this massive kit of like scratch building tools and supplies and all that stuff.
30:14
SPEAKER_11: So I figured he'd be engaged, yeah.
30:17
SPEAKER_11: Exactly.
30:18
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, I can tell.
30:20
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, so lots of scratch building, which ended up being cool.
30:23
SPEAKER_06: Um, so yeah, yeah, right, and then fit and finish at the end of that.
30:27
SPEAKER_06: So it's polishing and making sure that all the seams are clean, yeah, everything is beautiful, and then it's getting into paint, and then paint was like a fucking nightmare, believe it or not.
30:34
SPEAKER_06: I felt like I should have stripped it, but at the same time I couldn't strip it because out of all the like five Mr.
30:39
SPEAKER_06: 500 Bondo filler work that I did, I would have had to start over.
30:42
SPEAKER_06: So I when I originally I had it beautiful, it was black, Mr.
30:47
SPEAKER_06: 500, uh 1500.
30:49
SPEAKER_06: Sorry, it was polished to like micron eight, um, which is about 11,000 grid or something like that.
30:55
SPEAKER_06: No, no, that's lower, so it's not, it's anyways, it doesn't fucking matter.
30:58
SPEAKER_06: Really high polish on it on just the primal self, yeah.
31:03
SPEAKER_06: And uh, and so I was like, all right, cool.
31:05
SPEAKER_06: So I pulled out my uh all-clad gloss brat black undercoater, and I was like, Oh, this is gonna be great, whatever, like super drunk later one night.
31:14
SPEAKER_06: I'm like, I'm just gonna coat this shit.
31:15
SPEAKER_06: So I did it and I sprayed it down, and the next morning it was just full of pox, like straight down to the to the primer below.
31:23
SPEAKER_06: It was a meh gnarly thick layer of paint, and I was like, Jesus, what am I gonna do?
31:28
SPEAKER_06: So I ended up wet sanding and polishing that shit basically down to the primer below it to the point where I got it flat again, and then I just gloss coated it, and I was like, fuck it, because like what my friend Justin has said to me, he was like, It doesn't have to be glossy black paint, it just has to be like a shiny surface or like whatever.
31:46
SPEAKER_02: It's gotta be.
31:47
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I was black enough for what it's worth, you know, to get to get the colors that I wanted to work with because I was doing a like a metallic base to do candy coats on top of, which is what I ended up, you know.
31:58
SPEAKER_06: Extensive masking.
32:00
SPEAKER_06: Uh luckily the curko worked out, polished that down, lots of extensive masking, all all clad colors, gold, uh the purple, the it's their hot, hot metal violet.
32:12
SPEAKER_06: That's the the color that the car mostly went for.
32:14
SPEAKER_06: I chose like a pattern which is intrinsic to the that like loud like area of JDM culture for the Kaido Racers, which is the star on the hood, and like the angled pinstripes, and then like the just the just the ground effects essentially being painted kind of on the side with the big you know stripe on and I the numbers I added which were gopher decals, they were fantastic decals to work with.
32:36
SPEAKER_06: I love them so so much.
32:37
SPEAKER_06: I have a bunch of them.
32:38
SPEAKER_06: I never really used them before because I just buy decals, right?
32:41
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and then but yeah, they were beautiful fucking decals, and then like yeah, just a mix of other things to kind of like trick it out a little bit.
32:48
SPEAKER_06: That's also part of the style of the you know, the the Boazzuku or the Kaido Racer um yeah non-surri drift car.
32:57
SPEAKER_09: Gotcha.
32:57
SPEAKER_09: You had that car at Mosquito Con.
32:59
SPEAKER_09: For any of our listeners that that went to MosquitoCon, that car was there.
33:04
SPEAKER_09: How did you do with that car at MosquitoCon?
33:06
SPEAKER_09: Oh, they hated it.
33:09
SPEAKER_09: Surprise, surprise, ITMS hates something different.
33:12
SPEAKER_06: I hated it.
33:13
SPEAKER_06: There was somebody there that was trying to convince me that uh that it was made with 3D printed parts, and I was like, I don't know, man.
33:19
SPEAKER_06: I don't think that one's made with 3D printed parts.
33:21
SPEAKER_06: I don't think I don't think so.
33:22
SPEAKER_11: I don't think so.
33:23
SPEAKER_11: So I'm I'm curious.
33:24
SPEAKER_11: It it's a beautiful build.
33:26
SPEAKER_11: Uh the paint job is outstanding, the visual appeal is it it's like 211.
33:33
SPEAKER_11: What did you do underneath it in in inside of it?
33:36
SPEAKER_11: Did you add anything extra inside or underneath on the chassis, or is it pretty basic?
33:41
SPEAKER_06: No, I just went, I went stock.
33:43
SPEAKER_06: I did add the Takiari pipes in the back.
33:45
SPEAKER_06: They're like there, it's like bamboo themed behind like yeah, the big exhaust pipes in the back.
33:49
SPEAKER_06: Uh, but I just kept it the way that it comes out of the kit because the kit already well, actually, no.
33:54
SPEAKER_06: So I did extend the uh wheelbase.
33:58
SPEAKER_06: So uh to do that, I had to, it was all metal pins, so I had to do a simple rod for the tail, which was simple, right?
34:03
SPEAKER_06: It was really straightforward.
34:04
SPEAKER_06: Just cut another piece of steel rod, metal worker.
34:06
SPEAKER_06: I got steel around, um, and then cut some spacers appropriately out of styrene that fit with that so that the wheels were spaced properly, appropriately, and they were balanced on the chassis.
34:15
SPEAKER_06: And then for the front, though, I didn't have um the right kind of thing.
34:18
SPEAKER_06: They were actually these custom metal pins that were like oh gosh, I want to say something like three millimeters or something like that.
34:24
SPEAKER_06: So I didn't have any of that, but what I had was a similarly sized nail, like steel nail.
34:30
SPEAKER_06: Oh, okay.
34:30
SPEAKER_06: Um, in my I've got a shitload of stuff on my old man, like a really right, kind of, yeah.
34:37
SPEAKER_06: So I went out and I got some, I grabbed a couple of similar nails and I've literally filed them down to where the and with my cal, because I got calipers, you gotta have calipers if you're gonna be a skill modeler, right?
34:46
SPEAKER_06: So I was reading with my calipers and I filed them down to be the right size, uh, you know, diameter for the pin.
34:52
SPEAKER_06: I scalloped the head down really nice and tight so that it looked the same kind of like curved rivet, and then pushed that through.
34:57
SPEAKER_06: Worked with uh, you know, another then another spacer from that styrene, same kind of like styrene to make sure that the wheels all fit properly, so yeah, give it a nice, like wider stance to fit with those massive, like massive fenders that I put on it.
35:10
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, yeah.
35:12
SPEAKER_11: Cool.
35:13
SPEAKER_11: All right.
35:13
SPEAKER_11: Well, very good.
35:14
SPEAKER_03: Does anybody else have any other questions about the car or or the process?
35:18
SPEAKER_03: I got one little question, or an actually, I don't know if it's a tip or whatever, but Brian, I know you're a renowned builder, and again, congratulations on your win for the moosaroon.
35:27
SPEAKER_03: But you had mentioned earlier that you were kind of concerned about uh stripping the body down and putting any chemicals on it because of the type of uh filler that you were using.
35:36
SPEAKER_03: Have you ever used automotive grade filler like uh dolphin skin or the 3M acrylic?
35:41
SPEAKER_06: No, I haven't not for this, but I have.
35:45
SPEAKER_03: I the reason I did it is way back when I I built the Volkswagen with a with a wide body kit on it, and I screwed up the paint job, so I dropped it off at the purple pond.
35:54
SPEAKER_03: Well, all that I had used the Tamiya in the uh the Mr.
35:58
SPEAKER_03: Surfacer 500, and um when I dropped it in the purple pond, not only did it take the paint off, it took all my bodywork with it.
36:07
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so well, uh just so that for the record, you can go to an automotive store, it's a two-part uh dolphin skin, is what I recommend.
36:14
SPEAKER_03: It's really good.
36:15
SPEAKER_03: Three M green 3M green, yeah.
36:18
SPEAKER_03: But the dolphin the dolphin skin is really smooth, and of course, it has like a really fine grid, and it's that adhesion on it's probably fantastic.
36:25
SPEAKER_06: It's probably more like a polyester than like say something like Bondo.
36:29
SPEAKER_06: I've used several different grades of Bondo with being an artistic metal worker.
36:32
SPEAKER_06: So, like I worked at this big shop in Brooklyn where we were working on these crazy shit, all this crazy shit, man.
36:37
SPEAKER_06: So, like twisted this sculptures of twisted eye beams made out of first that we made them like fabricated them style, like twisted the steel, and like not twisted an eye beam, but like twisting steel and then welding it together and then foeing it with you know with bondo, yeah.
36:51
SPEAKER_06: And then other ones we had done later were done with 3D printed fucking carbon steel, which is really cool to work with.
36:57
SPEAKER_06: Wow, gnarly gnarly.
36:58
SPEAKER_10: Sorry, I didn't know they could 3D print with carbon steel.
37:01
SPEAKER_10: I knew they could do titanium, but not uh carbon steel.
37:03
SPEAKER_10: That's kind of awesome.
37:04
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, carbon steel.
37:05
SPEAKER_06: We could and we well, we got these like 20 something chunks of these different like of this form that an artist had designed on a computer and sent it to a printer, and they printed it.
37:15
SPEAKER_06: We took it and then welded it and filled it all together and made it into a full fully 3D sub stroke structure, like six feet tall or more, 1400 pounds.
37:24
SPEAKER_06: Like, yeah, and then the guy came in after we did all the welding and cleanup work on it, just basic stuff.
37:29
SPEAKER_06: He came in and then he bondoed his like you know his layers of stuff on it.
37:32
SPEAKER_06: So I've got familiarity with that, and I've done work with Bondo, but never the dolphin skin.
37:36
SPEAKER_06: So I'm totally writing that down.
37:37
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna use it.
37:38
SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
37:39
SPEAKER_03: You pull makes that product, and again, it's two parts, so you can add less less hardener to where it cures slow, and it sands really, really good, really, really good.
37:48
SPEAKER_09: And Brian, what what basically what dolphin skin is, you know, with 26 years of body man experience.
37:55
SPEAKER_09: Uh, anything that's labeled two part metal glaze is what you're looking for.
38:01
SPEAKER_09: Uh evercoat evercoat has their brand, it's it's all basically the same.
38:06
SPEAKER_09: If it says metal glaze and it comes with a hardener, that's what you're looking for.
38:11
SPEAKER_09: Now, going back to the strippers, and I don't mean the kind that steal your money.
38:18
SPEAKER_09: When I went to strip the Merc, I was worried about all the body work I did when I chopped the top on that sucker.
38:26
SPEAKER_09: You know, I I actually messaged uh Iceman himself about it, but he sells Dave's magic paint stripper.
38:34
SPEAKER_09: It's like a citrus scented type of thing.
38:37
SPEAKER_09: I left the body in my Tupperware container with this stripper overnight, and it did not touch my filler.
38:45
SPEAKER_09: And it didn't steal its money.
38:47
SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
38:49
SPEAKER_10: Left the wallet there and everything.
38:50
SPEAKER_09: Yep.
38:51
SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
38:51
SPEAKER_09: So um, I mean, I don't know how long if I left it in there longer, if it would affect the bodywork, but all of the fillers that I've that I had used on there did not get affected.
39:02
SPEAKER_09: All of my primer coats did.
39:05
SPEAKER_09: So I did have to do a little sanding before I reprimed, but the filler itself was never uh never got melted out of the the plastic.
39:13
SPEAKER_09: So that's awesome.
39:15
SPEAKER_09: Ave's magic paint stripper is worth the money that Iceman asks.
39:20
SPEAKER_02: Very cool.
39:22
SPEAKER_09: That's also good to know.
39:23
SPEAKER_10: Somebody needs to build a diorama of just a pond and a dock and some signs that just say purple pond, and then that's it.
39:30
SPEAKER_03: That's it.
39:31
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, even better.
39:32
SPEAKER_09: Actually, a car body partially submerged, that's exactly what I was thinking stripped up to the waterline.
39:40
SPEAKER_09: Come on now, BG.
39:43
SPEAKER_10: How about an entire line of uh car bodies on uh on trailers that are lined up to go through the purple pond?
39:49
SPEAKER_09: Even better, even better.
39:51
SPEAKER_09: You can make this whole vignette diorama scene with the Mobius tow truck pulling a car out of the purple pond.
40:00
SPEAKER_06: Yes, boom.
40:03
SPEAKER_06: I did have an idea, dude.
40:05
SPEAKER_06: I did have an idea to do a build back in the day.
40:08
SPEAKER_06: It was a clear, I had a clear um 100 scale verka high new Gundam, right?
40:15
SPEAKER_06: Heavy weapon system, so it's like an extra special robot model kit, but it's clear, so all the plastic is clear, the everything is clear except for there's like metallic parts that kind of go on the inside.
40:25
SPEAKER_06: It looks really interesting, anyways.
40:27
SPEAKER_06: My thought oh, you've seen great fantastic.
40:30
SPEAKER_06: So I'm not talking to no wedding here.
40:31
SPEAKER_06: I know Jason's seen a little bit of it too.
40:33
SPEAKER_06: Um, but um, so my thought was to do a uh uh build of that suit, but it looked like the paint was like running off of it, you know, kind of so it would start off clear on top, polish clear out, and then like go into like where it looked like the paint was kind of like all mixing together and running down because it's like white and gray and purple and yellow and all this.
40:54
SPEAKER_06: You could get these weird rivulets of like running paint, like somebody just like hosed it down with acetone or M E K or something like that, and it's just fucking just melting the paint right off of it, but like leaving that clear shit on top, and then having pools on the ground below it.
41:07
SPEAKER_06: Um, but I think that would be so awesome.
41:10
SPEAKER_10: It'd be like a Vercav post flash dance, you know.
41:13
SPEAKER_06: Yes, yes, that would be kind of rad.
41:16
SPEAKER_06: Oh, dude, just I'm digging deep for that one.
41:24
SPEAKER_10: Oh, fantastic.
41:25
SPEAKER_10: That's uh so awesome.
41:26
SPEAKER_10: Hey, do you want to give a plug for your podcast while you're here with us right now?
41:30
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, sure, why not?
41:31
SPEAKER_06: Uh, my podcast is called the Built Sideways Podcast.
41:33
SPEAKER_06: Uh, you can find it anywhere.
41:35
SPEAKER_06: Fine pods are casted free to the public.
41:37
SPEAKER_06: We have a Patreon, we have a Discord.
41:39
SPEAKER_06: Patreon costs a couple bucks, it helps us keep the lights on.
41:42
SPEAKER_06: But the Discord is free.
41:43
SPEAKER_06: Anyone's welcome to come by, hang out, just like you guys do.
41:45
SPEAKER_06: I'm a part of your all's Discord, so I go through there and I I saw that the other day.
41:50
SPEAKER_06: Nice, yeah.
41:51
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I try just I keep track of it.
41:52
SPEAKER_06: It's one of the ones I pay, you know.
41:54
SPEAKER_06: Check them out, try and see what's going on.
41:55
SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
41:56
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
41:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
41:57
SPEAKER_06: Well, we're just a friendly group of weird modelers.
41:59
SPEAKER_06: We build everything.
42:00
SPEAKER_06: I mostly build every everything, but like most of the guys do a couple different things, whether it be like figure painting as well as uh robot mecha stuff, and our podcast does tend to like lean towards that because we are uh originally a group of guys that only built like robot models.
42:16
SPEAKER_06: Um, I've gone back to you know the normal kiss that I grew up building because of that.
42:22
SPEAKER_06: So some of the subject matter might be a little bit confusing, but mostly we are just like off the cuff, uh saying the weirdest, craziest shit, super blue comedy, just yeah, lots of swearing.
42:32
SPEAKER_06: Clearly, I have the dirtiest mouth in the podcast right now.
42:35
SPEAKER_06: Um and that's what they that's what on when I was on on the bench, they had to do a warning.
42:40
SPEAKER_06: Like Dave Goldfinch had to come up and be like, Oh, I'm sorry, guys, Ryan's gonna swear a lot.
42:44
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, I I listened to that episode actually, and I I chuckled when he said that.
42:49
SPEAKER_11: That's that's awesome.
42:51
SPEAKER_09: I always liked your episodes where uh conversation got more philosophical or uh oh yeah talking about the art side of the hobby, color theory, stuff like that.
43:02
SPEAKER_09: That those were my favorite episodes.
43:04
SPEAKER_09: Um mainly because all the other podcasts talk about models, you know what I mean?
43:10
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, and yeah, we you guys hit my tingle button on the philosophy and art behind it.
43:16
SPEAKER_06: Valuable point.
43:17
SPEAKER_06: We don't really talk a lot about models right at all.
43:21
SPEAKER_06: Like we do talk a lot about we do talk a lot about philosophy.
43:25
SPEAKER_06: We have a lot of guests that come on and talk about relationship in the into the hobby.
43:29
SPEAKER_06: It's more about it's more of like a I don't want to say like a lifestyle podcast, but it's like a podcast that but it is in like this is our lifestyle.
43:36
SPEAKER_06: This is what we do for when we get out of you know our nine to five and we come home, we give a chance to sit down at the bench.
43:41
SPEAKER_06: And it's basically like if you were hanging out at a build meeting, it's like one of those kind of conversations.
43:47
SPEAKER_09: It's the thinking man's modeling podcast.
43:50
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, right.
43:51
SPEAKER_06: I mean, we talk a little bit about technique, we talk a lot about uh, you know, philosophy, and we talk a little bit about feelings.
43:57
SPEAKER_06: That's okay to have feelings.
44:00
SPEAKER_06: Talk about your feelings too, yeah.
44:03
SPEAKER_06: And uh, and we pick on each other about getting in our feels and shit like that to be gives very real, it's very on the front, like no no bullshit, like no strings, no strings attached, no, no punches pulled.
44:14
SPEAKER_10: So it's uh it's called built sideways or kumbaya model, guys.
44:18
SPEAKER_06: Right, it is not kumbaya model, guys.
44:22
SPEAKER_06: It's gonna be pee-p-poo-poo for you, buddy.
44:25
SPEAKER_06: Julio's concerned.
44:26
SPEAKER_11: I was I was gonna say listening to that podcast kind of makes me makes me feel like I'm sitting around a table with you guys, and we're just shooting, shooting the shit, right?
44:37
SPEAKER_11: And having a good time, and that's kind of what those are the podcasts I like.
44:42
SPEAKER_11: You gotta find a podcast like that, actually, to be on.
44:45
unknown: I'm just kidding.
44:47
SPEAKER_11: You guys are good.
44:48
SPEAKER_11: I love your fucking chemistry.
44:50
SPEAKER_11: Like, I love it.
44:50
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, we're so I I I kid this.
44:53
SPEAKER_11: Is this is a good deal, so yeah, there you go.
44:56
SPEAKER_03: Uh Brian, just just to to bring the circle back around, um, as a cross-genre builder, would you agree that you can learn something from this genre and use it that's we'll say armor to automotive?
45:10
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, of course, Mike.
45:11
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely, that's your very valid point.
45:14
SPEAKER_06: Thank you for bringing that up as well, bro.
45:15
SPEAKER_03: I bring that up so these people that you know, because we're a car and and truck and you know, automotive focused, but that doesn't mean that you can't learn something from these different genres along the way.
45:25
SPEAKER_03: The the gundam might might teach you how to do some panel lining.
45:28
SPEAKER_03: I don't know nothing about gundam, but I'm just saying there's that too.
45:31
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's a lot of different things, it's all planar forms, right?
45:34
SPEAKER_06: So, like robots themselves are you know just geometric forms.
45:38
SPEAKER_06: It's like a big piece of armor that looks like a man or a woman or whatever the fuck, you know, a round thing.
45:43
SPEAKER_06: Who knows?
45:44
SPEAKER_06: But when I grew up, what I built, I built fucking stock cars, I built muscle cars, I built you know, fighter jets, I built all the monogram.
45:52
SPEAKER_06: All I was building amt, Ertle, monogram, revel, you know, whatever I could get at the local Mark Michaels hobby store, you know, like that was what was available to me.
46:01
SPEAKER_06: And I never built a tank, I never built anything but like jets and classic uh World War II style planes and stuff, or cars and monster trucks.
46:10
SPEAKER_06: I when I got out of hobby, I didn't do shit for a long time, but I kept doing art, so I kept doing sculpture and working with leather and working with clay and working with stone and doing all these different things, and then getting into building houses and doing all this other crazy shit, moving to New York, getting into actual metal fabrication, then starting to work in sculpture stuff and doing works with like acid patinas and blah blah blah blah blah, and then coming back into the modeling fray, but like having Gundam as the thing that brought me in because it's such a user-friendly kind of thing.
46:38
SPEAKER_06: It's a J Jason can attest to it that you can just pick up like an easy, like a high-grade kit for like 10-15 bucks, something like that.
46:46
SPEAKER_06: Some you know, depending on the kit you're gonna get, sometimes they're a little bit more, but you can still just pick one up that you like the look of, put it together, low stress, it's already colored, you don't have to paint it if you don't want to.
46:56
SPEAKER_06: And it's a way to kind of you know get the fucking mole muscles going again, you know, get you back to using the nippers.
47:02
SPEAKER_10: And when I right when I started buying Gundam kits, it was purely because of I liked the coloring on the box art, you know.
47:10
SPEAKER_10: I was like, Oh, red, white, and blue.
47:12
SPEAKER_10: Hell yeah, that's awesome.
47:13
SPEAKER_10: We'll do that.
47:14
SPEAKER_02: Okay, hell yeah.
47:15
SPEAKER_10: So yeah, I told them to then I then I started doing research into Gundam.
47:19
SPEAKER_10: I'm like, Oh my god, I'm up to my ankles in this stuff now.
47:21
SPEAKER_10: Oh dude, me too.
47:22
SPEAKER_10: It's hundreds of kids.
47:24
SPEAKER_09: It's there's here's BG wandering around Andes going, I don't know what you are, but I'm buying you too.
47:33
SPEAKER_10: Can you see this rack right here, Justin?
47:35
SPEAKER_10: Absolutely.
47:36
SPEAKER_10: There you go.
47:37
SPEAKER_11: Okay, yeah, dude.
47:38
SPEAKER_11: I I sit, I go to bed at night and I I doom scroll through Gundam and Mecca stuff for at least an hour every night, and it's like I haven't seen the same thing more than twice.
47:50
SPEAKER_06: Right, so much, so much, yeah.
47:55
SPEAKER_10: So the and the thing about we're so not automotive right now, but the thing about the kind of things is I was able to start perfecting some of my weathering techniques by building those things.
48:05
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, oh yeah, you know, yeah, that's all absolutely forms, right?
48:10
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, and then um I wanted to talk to you about the artistic eye.
48:14
SPEAKER_10: Not all of us think we have it, but I feel like when you're building a model and you say, Look, it can be something as simple as saying I can't use this same shade of uh metallic color, silver, whatever, next to this same shade of metallic color because it's gonna get lost in the engine bay.
48:30
SPEAKER_10: So I'm switching it up and using this other metallic color.
48:33
SPEAKER_10: I mean, that's that's how I feel like the artistic eye comes in.
48:37
SPEAKER_10: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah.
48:39
SPEAKER_06: Jeez.
48:42
SPEAKER_06: All right, I'll buy you a cola at MFCA.
48:44
SPEAKER_06: Fantastic.
48:45
SPEAKER_06: I'll buy you one that's liter of cola or bourbon.
48:50
SPEAKER_06: Um, I don't know about a liter, damn.
48:51
SPEAKER_06: Um so, in regard to like say the say the artistic eye, um, recently I went to Odeo.
48:59
SPEAKER_06: I brought my hover bug.
49:01
SPEAKER_06: Some of the guys are familiar with my hover bug.
49:03
SPEAKER_06: It's a VW polar lights, Coca-Cola VW kit that I took and I took a bunch of Gundam parts, and I took a bunch of VW parts, and I took a bunch of tank parts, and it took some weird, like shaped gates, like oversized gates from like Gundam.
49:17
SPEAKER_06: You know, Gundam kits are a little, they have like large parts, and so they have large gates and parts, you know, right?
49:21
SPEAKER_06: So made this crazy spoiler.
49:23
SPEAKER_06: I did this like hover out like VW bug with mad flares and like all this just like different detail.
49:30
SPEAKER_06: It was super kit bash kit with a lot of like sculpting work on it.
49:34
SPEAKER_06: I did a uh a lacquer finish on it with the Tamiya orange, uh, but I like pre-highlighted it so that the orange was like a transparent orange and it came out kind of smoky and like you know, has like a little bit of depth to it.
49:48
SPEAKER_06: And then on the front, I did uh like scooped flames, which was a hand mask done in candy, deep, deep blue candy.
49:55
SPEAKER_06: Put a bunch of rad decals all over it so that it looked like a tuner car, like kind of like what the neutrinos from the fucking Ninja Turtles would have drove around in, or something like that.
50:02
SPEAKER_06: Like God, I remember the neutrinos, you know, just like zooming around, and like inside I did a bunch of uh scratch deal detail and like kit ash detail on the interior of it too, to give it a modernization, like dials and gadgets and stuff like that to kind of like give it more pizzazz.
50:19
SPEAKER_06: But when I went to ODO, they loved it, they were like, This shit is fantastic, and I got best in show sci-fi for that, and a gold, obviously, gold medal for that too, which was rad, but it's cool to see how that, like, just taking that VW bug and like riding to the train to the city where I was working at the time with my sketchbook out, and I'm like doing different sketches and like thinking about it.
50:41
SPEAKER_06: Like, what can I do to this to make it something more?
50:43
SPEAKER_06: I knew I wanted to make it hover, but like, how can I do that?
50:46
SPEAKER_06: Like, what can I do to that?
50:47
SPEAKER_06: And like, I think a sketchbook is one of the most valuable things that we can add to our model benches or uh, you know, notebooks or whatever it is.
50:54
SPEAKER_06: Like, you don't have to be the best drawer in the world.
50:56
SPEAKER_06: I started out as a trash drawer, and I could draw terrible, and and I kept practicing my whole fucking life, and now I'm 45 or 46, and I can draw pretty well, and so you know it doesn't it doesn't happen overnight, but but having that like that thing there to scratch out a concept, you know, and just don't be afraid to draw something six, seven, eight times so you get it right.
51:18
SPEAKER_06: Like everybody like that draws stuff, always draw over and over and over and over again.
51:22
SPEAKER_06: One of my favorite things to do is I got this, it's right here, it happens to be, and I'm sorry, I'm kind of on a ramble, but this is a a USB powered light panel, right?
51:32
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yes, uh it just plugs in like to your regular phone charger.
51:35
SPEAKER_06: You just turn it on, it's got like several different levels of brightness or dimness, and I will like do my uh drawings on this.
51:41
SPEAKER_06: So if I have a drawing and I do something and then I want to sort of stay with it, or maybe it's mad sloppy because I was like erasing and it's kind of crazy, then I just throw this down, throw another piece of paper on top of that, and then redraw that out on top, just trace it right over to get that next idea step.
51:57
SPEAKER_06: And then if you can if you want to, you can do that a couple different times and then change those.
52:02
SPEAKER_06: So if you're working for like subtle body details, like you want to do some crazy scooped-out roadster with like these beautiful flares on the side, but you're not a hundred percent sure.
52:13
SPEAKER_06: Like, do I want to make that there like a shark, you know, a shark tooth or something like that on part of the scoop, or do I want to, you know, if you're trying to do that just in the wild, you're gonna run into a lot of heartache, in my opinion.
52:25
SPEAKER_06: So I think that like having a sketchbook or having that just like a pack of paper from uh printer paper or whatever, and like something like this, like this light board, to be able to work and and progress your ideas, it's a super valuable tool.
52:37
SPEAKER_06: I don't think I've ever shared that anymore.
52:39
SPEAKER_09: Kind of goes back to what an airbrush uh custom paint airbrush instructor I had uh drilled into us paint what you see, not what you think you know.
52:52
SPEAKER_09: So by drawing it out, you're developing what you're looking for.
52:57
SPEAKER_09: It will make your build, your customization portion a lot easier to do because you've already started working out the problems inherent in doing the major changes.
53:09
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and you have like a silhouette, right, that you're trying to work towards.
53:13
SPEAKER_10: I haven't heard that uh that before.
53:15
SPEAKER_10: That's uh makes a lot of sense.
53:16
SPEAKER_10: It's like I think I just leveled up right now, just hearing that.
53:20
SPEAKER_10: I know, me too.
53:21
SPEAKER_09: He used that when instructing teaching us how to paint realistic flames.
53:26
SPEAKER_09: Okay, so don't paint what you think a real fire looks like.
53:30
SPEAKER_09: Look up pictures of real fire and paint towards what you see.
53:35
SPEAKER_10: Why is that trash can on fire?
53:37
SPEAKER_10: I'm painting it.
53:38
SPEAKER_10: I'm practicing about it.
53:41
SPEAKER_09: You get out of the way, I'm trying to take a photo, like but that also works towards weathering as well.
53:49
SPEAKER_09: Find yourself a good reference photo of what you're trying to weather.
53:52
SPEAKER_09: So, in this group, obviously, if we're gonna do any weathering, it's gonna be for that rally cool group build because those cars get some pretty gnarly nastiness.
54:01
SPEAKER_09: So look up rally cars, and if you want to dirty it up, if you want to weather that up, get out, get yourself a whole portfolio of dirty, nasty, funky rally cars, and then pick one when you finally get there and just replicate what you see using your techniques.
54:21
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's uh that's what I'm gonna call my folder is uh dirty, nasty, funky rally cars.
54:27
SPEAKER_02: I like it.
54:28
SPEAKER_10: I like it.
54:30
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55:57
SPEAKER_10: Okay, thanks for sticking around, folks.
55:59
SPEAKER_10: Appreciate that very much.
56:00
SPEAKER_10: Uh, we're still talking to Mr.
56:02
SPEAKER_10: Brian Denklau about all sorts of oh, looks like Brian's showing us his uh Rally Car Group Build Entry Kit, which is Atlancia Delta S4.
56:10
SPEAKER_10: Heck yeah.
56:11
SPEAKER_10: If you don't know what that is, crack an internet, it's out there.
56:15
SPEAKER_09: Before we get too far off of uh on to another subject, I did want to ask Brian.
56:21
SPEAKER_09: Brian, once this episode drops, do me a favor and post a nice little photo pictorial of that hover bug in the model car mania group so people can see it as a phrase.
56:32
SPEAKER_09: Please, please, please.
56:33
SPEAKER_06: Oh, we'll do be my pleasure.
56:35
SPEAKER_10: Thank you.
56:36
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, thank you for thinking fourth dimensionally, sir.
56:39
SPEAKER_10: As well as your user.
56:42
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, yeah.
56:43
SPEAKER_06: I'll definitely add the moose.
56:44
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
56:45
SPEAKER_06: Um, was it in the with the Facebook group or the the Model Car Mania Facebook group?
56:50
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
56:50
SPEAKER_06: Okay, cool.
56:51
SPEAKER_06: Can do, can do, can do.
56:52
SPEAKER_09: Now I don't know if Jody has seen your hover bug, but he's a Volkswagen dude.
56:56
SPEAKER_09: So I've seen both.
56:57
SPEAKER_09: Okay, good.
56:58
SPEAKER_09: I was gonna say I thought I saw your nipples kind of tighten up a little bit under that sweatshirt.
57:04
SPEAKER_05: I saw the hover bug at PacCon last year.
57:07
SPEAKER_10: Yes, right, you did.
57:10
SPEAKER_05: No, I saw it last year.
57:11
SPEAKER_05: It's fantastic.
57:12
SPEAKER_10: Speaking of Volkswagens, I got my ordering from Iceman Collections with those new Volkswagen wheels that he had, the stretch tire ones.
57:19
SPEAKER_10: A2.
57:25
SPEAKER_08: Blue ox?
57:27
SPEAKER_10: Those are they're so awesome.
57:29
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, they are.
57:31
SPEAKER_10: Good job, Joel.
57:33
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, holy smokes, those things are cool.
57:37
SPEAKER_10: Well, guys, let's uh let's quickly move on to the upcoming shows and show reports.
57:41
SPEAKER_10: Uh Jason's got some stuff for us, as well as uh I have a quick uh note to share about the wine country expo that took place in California last weekend.
57:50
SPEAKER_10: So let's go ahead and hit that, Jason.
57:52
SPEAKER_11: Alright, so starting on April 25th, we've got the Left Coast Scale Classic.
57:58
SPEAKER_11: Uh that is held at the Ventura County Fairgrounds, 10 West Harbor Boulevard, Ventura, California.
58:04
SPEAKER_11: The theme of that show is mini trucks.
58:07
SPEAKER_11: So check that out.
58:10
SPEAKER_11: The same day, the same day, April 25th, you know what that is?
58:15
SPEAKER_11: The 38th annual NNL East that is held at 1 PAL Drive, Wayne, New Jersey.
58:21
SPEAKER_11: Uh, that's presented by the Tri-State Model Car Club with the help of the Diversified Scalers Model Club.
58:28
SPEAKER_11: Um, the themes for this year are the 63rd anniversary of 1963 and the 250th United States of America anniversary.
58:41
SPEAKER_11: So uh bring all of your red, white, and blue cars, guys.
58:45
SPEAKER_11: Uh that's also I will tell you exactly how to live it, and you will follow to the letter.
58:52
SPEAKER_11: Um so that's a show that that we're I think myself, Jody, I believe Mikey's gonna be there.
58:59
SPEAKER_11: Um that's gonna be a good one.
59:02
SPEAKER_11: So swing by Wayne, New Jersey, and say hello.
59:05
SPEAKER_09: Um there for breakfast on Sunday.
59:08
SPEAKER_11: That that works too.
59:10
SPEAKER_11: We all know Riv won't stop by though.
59:13
SPEAKER_11: That's right.
59:14
SPEAKER_11: So disappointed in him.
59:17
SPEAKER_11: He's a horrible friend.
59:18
SPEAKER_11: Um, anyway, so I threw this show in for our friend Brian, April 26th, the Fort Little Fort Lauderdale Flight IPMS chapter presents the 2025 Gundam Model Show and Competition.
59:35
SPEAKER_11: Uh that's held at Tate's Gaming Satellite Store, 4580 North Uh University Drive in Lauderdale, Florida.
59:45
SPEAKER_11: Thought that was pretty cool.
59:47
SPEAKER_06: Hell yeah.
59:49
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, if you're down there, go if you in your in your down in the Daytona area, Daytona Beach area, you can go by uh Gundam, uh was it USA Gundamasaur?
59:57
SPEAKER_06: Visit my friend Adam and Zach.
59:58
SPEAKER_05: USA Gundam Story.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_05: I have spent many a dollar there.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_06: They were yeah, they were my one of my first sponsors back when I was a sponsored uh builder.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_03: Right on.
1:00:09
SPEAKER_03: That's cool.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_03: That's like 45 miles from where I'm at.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_03: You should go, Mike.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_03: I need to go there.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_03: I need to go there.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_03: It's a huge showroom, bro.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, why don't you go now?
1:00:19
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, go right now, Mike.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_05: Get in your car.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_05: Report back when you get back.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_11: Phone in when you get there and do a report.
1:00:30
SPEAKER_11: Anyway, sorry.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_08: Um the dozer tomorrow.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_05: Oh god.
1:00:38
SPEAKER_05: The news headline speaks itself.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_05: Florida man accosted at Gundamstore.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_05: Mass confusion ensues.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_06: No, Mike, we said Mike, we said dozell, not doze.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_06: Dozel, dozel, buzzabi, not I'm sorry.
1:00:55
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, exactly, not dozing off.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_11: Moving on to May 2nd, the Milwaukee NNL 33.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_11: That's hosted by the Auto Modelers Group.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_11: Held at the Root River Center, 1220 West Rawson Avenue, Franklin, Wisconsin.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_11: Show themes are old school kitbashing, no 3D parts allowed.
1:01:18
SPEAKER_11: Wagging my finger at you.
1:01:19
SPEAKER_11: No 3D parts.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_11: Um, and if it this this one kind of threw me.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_11: If it runs on dirt, digs in the dirt, or throws dirt is the sub-theme.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_11: So um, race cars, construction equipment, or that nasty kid that threw dirt at you in first grade.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_09: Let's see, some sculpting.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_09: It sounds to me like the first part of that, no 3D parts allowed.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_09: That sounds like that group is a bunch of old guys that refuse to admit that the hobby is shifting.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_09: Well, we don't know that for a fact, Justin.
1:01:57
SPEAKER_09: I'm just saying it's what it sounds like.
1:01:58
SPEAKER_09: I'm not saying I know, it's just what it sounds like.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_09: Okay.
1:02:03
SPEAKER_10: The thoughts and views expressed by Justin are not those of the rest of the podcast and orderly.
1:02:07
SPEAKER_10: Thank you.
1:02:08
SPEAKER_10: I was saying like thank you.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_06: I was gonna jump in and say that.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_06: If your scratch building is so good that somebody thinks that it's 3D printed, it's kind of like the best compliment you can possibly fucking.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_11: I think it is, actually.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_06: I think it is, and and that's great.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's very good.
1:02:29
SPEAKER_11: Oh correct.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_11: Okay, May 3rd, SoCal open.
1:02:33
SPEAKER_11: Uh Brian, are you gonna be at that show?
1:02:36
SPEAKER_11: You went to that show last year.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_10: I went to that show last year, but we will not be able to get that into our show rotation this year, unfortunately.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_10: Starry art.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_10: But uh because this is just like the week after, you know.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_11: Gotcha.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_11: That is an Art Lasky sponsored show.
1:02:49
SPEAKER_11: Uh, and this year it's featuring the Southern California Bugs display.
1:02:55
SPEAKER_11: Oh, dang it! That sounds pretty cool, actually.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_10: I might have to reconsider.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_11: That's Armando Flores, who is a well-known low rider model builder.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_11: Um, does something like that every year.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_11: Last year it was Corvair's, I believe.
1:03:13
SPEAKER_11: Yep.
1:03:14
SPEAKER_11: This year it's this year it's Volkswagen Bugs.
1:03:16
SPEAKER_11: Um that show is held at this is a this is a long street.
1:03:20
SPEAKER_11: 21,000 Plumber Street, Chatsworth, California.
1:03:25
SPEAKER_11: That's that's a long street.
1:03:26
SPEAKER_11: Uh also May 9th, the 31st annual Mid Atlantic NNL.
1:03:32
SPEAKER_11: That's held at the Level Volunteer Fire Company, 3633, Level Village Road, Have De Grace, Maryland.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_11: Their themes are F-bodies and Pickups.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_11: Also, May 9th, we have uh the new date for Canam Con 2026.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_11: That was a show that Jody and I were supposed to be at, uh, and it got canceled uh for scheduling reasons, unfortunately, and they moved it to May 9th.
1:04:04
SPEAKER_11: Um that show was presented by IPMS Champlain Valley and the Mount Mansfield Scale Modelers at the National Guard Armory, 7846 Williston Road, Williston, Vermont.
1:04:19
SPEAKER_11: This year's theme is very special.
1:04:21
SPEAKER_11: Uh, it is in memory of Mr.
1:04:22
SPEAKER_11: Tomia.
1:04:23
SPEAKER_11: So any model in any category built from a Tommyah kit.
1:04:28
SPEAKER_10: That's awesome.
1:04:29
SPEAKER_10: I like that.
1:04:30
SPEAKER_11: And that is a wrap on upcoming shows.
1:04:33
SPEAKER_11: Over to you, Brian, for yours.
1:04:36
SPEAKER_10: Thank you very much.
1:04:37
SPEAKER_10: So I had a chance to reach out to our good friend, friend of the podcast, Mr.
1:04:41
SPEAKER_10: Billy Strange.
1:04:42
SPEAKER_10: He had attended the wine country model expo, and it has a really good things to say about the the expo.
1:04:49
SPEAKER_10: Uh, we're not quite sure if this is their first time doing this, but they were doing they are running the show like a well-oiled machine, according to Billy.
1:04:57
SPEAKER_10: Uh, they had an online registration, which I think personally is a key thing to have nowadays when you're when you're looking at having a big event, because it just makes the registration process so much more smooth.
1:05:09
SPEAKER_10: He said that when they got there like 15 minutes after nine, they didn't even have to wait in line because everybody who that was ahead of them had filled out stuff online, walked right in, set stuff on the table.
1:05:18
SPEAKER_10: But they had an interesting way of doing the judging this time, they had everything kind of gridded off on the tables so that you got all of your models in a particular section.
1:05:27
SPEAKER_10: So you didn't go around and put your planes over in the planes, and you didn't put cars in cars, and you didn't put ships in ships.
1:05:33
SPEAKER_10: If you walked in the door with nine models, you put them all in that one little area for you, and you get a little you get a name tag, and then they give you a tag to put actually on the table in that, like a little uh uh A frame stand to put your your copy of your name tag on there, so that they they just say this is what this artist has done, this builder has done.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_10: So, in that sense, it's a true expo because it's uh exhibiting the uh The builder's talents across the genre, so absolutely so isn't that cool?
1:06:05
SPEAKER_10: I haven't heard of that before.
1:06:07
SPEAKER_06: So cool.
1:06:08
SPEAKER_10: So when they did the judging, it's gold, silver, bronze.
1:06:10
SPEAKER_10: I know that that's a controversial thing for a lot of folks, but it was really cool for Billy because he's like, he got a gold medal for one of his cars, and his dad, of course, was there and got a gold medal for one of his cars.
1:06:21
SPEAKER_10: And he's like, if this was a first, second, third deal, he wouldn't have placed, you know.
1:06:26
SPEAKER_10: So he was like, I'm I'm on the level, he's like, I'm on the level of what my father can do.
1:06:31
SPEAKER_10: So the judges are are measuring your stuff against the criteria of what the best version of that could look like.
1:06:40
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
1:06:40
SPEAKER_10: So I think I'm saying this correctly.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_10: So it's not a okay, thank you.
1:06:44
SPEAKER_10: So it's not about this guy's car against this guy's car because as an automotive judge, I know there's a lot of times that it comes down to apples and oranges when you're looking at two two cars for best of show, right?
1:06:55
SPEAKER_10: Right, um, like a NASCAR and a custom-made hot rod.
1:07:00
SPEAKER_10: They're both beautifully done, but again, it's it's bananas and watermelons, you know.
1:07:04
SPEAKER_10: So I'm just tossing all the fruit in there.
1:07:06
SPEAKER_06: Right, better than apples and oranges, because apples and oranges are really similar, really.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_02: They are bananas and watermelons, right?
1:07:15
SPEAKER_10: So, yeah, he he went on to say that it was a really great show, and that they they actually had the judging starting around about half past 11, 11, half half past 11, somewhere on there.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_10: Where a lot of shows that I've been to, they don't even get the judges together until like noon, you know.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_10: So the judges actually had time to have lunch and then get attacking on the on models.
1:07:35
SPEAKER_10: The way they did it was the judges came to your section and they looked at, let's say Billy had three cars in a section, so they looked at all three of his cars, and the judges picked the one they thought would be the best entry of the three, and then went ahead and measured the criteria on that particular car.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_10: So that way he's like, it was really interesting to see what the judges picked of his and then how well it did.
1:07:57
SPEAKER_10: And he likes the idea of competing against yourself.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_10: Does that make sense to you guys?
1:08:03
SPEAKER_09: Brian, what that is, it's not a competition, it's what's called a juried exhibition.
1:08:09
SPEAKER_10: That's the term he was using.
1:08:13
SPEAKER_10: So juried execution, which um exhibition, not execution, exhibition.
1:08:20
SPEAKER_06: Okay, I'm thinking of old English times.
1:08:22
SPEAKER_06: I'm sorry.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_06: You're thinking France, my friend.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_09: That is how the MFCA does their show.
1:08:29
SPEAKER_09: So my figure club that I'm in, uh, if you put out saying Brian's in it as well, yeah.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_09: Um, if you put out five pieces in all of the categories, they won't judge all five pieces of all five categories.
1:08:44
SPEAKER_09: In each category, they will look at what you've displayed and pick the best one and judge that one, and then that's what you get.
1:08:54
SPEAKER_09: That's what you meddle on.
1:08:55
SPEAKER_10: I'm really glad that Justin is familiar with this type of judging, so he can uh back me up and and correct me if I got anything wrong here from Billy.
1:09:02
SPEAKER_10: But I I'm excited to experience something like this sometime.
1:09:05
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
1:09:06
SPEAKER_06: I've been part of the judging actually in several different competitions, including the a gold, so two different no Justin, too.
1:09:12
SPEAKER_06: We we uh judge at ArmorCon together, the figures.
1:09:15
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, um, and then we've and then I sat in with the with the group at MFCA with uh Lumassis and Mike Hillary and Roberto, the big hitters, yeah.
1:09:24
SPEAKER_09: The the the amazing hyper talented modelers, the best of the best of the best, sir, with honors.
1:09:31
SPEAKER_06: Uh that being said, yeah, so um uh mentor figure collectors of america's show, the Philly show, the East Coast show in in the spring.
1:09:38
SPEAKER_06: We're starting to workshop the name, it's weird, anyway.
1:09:42
SPEAKER_06: Um right, but it still has divisions, right?
1:09:44
SPEAKER_06: So there's fantasy painters, fantasy open, uh ordnance painters, ordinance open, historical painters, historical open, and then like is there anything else?
1:09:53
SPEAKER_06: That's it, isn't it?
1:09:54
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I think that's it.
1:09:54
SPEAKER_09: And then there's the Saturday builds, yeah.
1:09:57
SPEAKER_06: And then Saturday is adds to the same groups, but it's a it's a segregation.
1:10:01
SPEAKER_06: Saturday only in my hand.
1:10:03
SPEAKER_09: Uh so there is um miniature gaming as well now.
1:10:06
SPEAKER_09: Oh, right, okay, cool.
1:10:07
SPEAKER_06: That's great because they and they used to have they do have toy soldiers.
1:10:11
SPEAKER_06: Okay, thank you.
1:10:11
SPEAKER_06: That was my other thing I had to ask about.
1:10:13
SPEAKER_06: So, yeah, so there are still divisions and because Steve Pyle's a fucking genius.
1:10:16
SPEAKER_06: Have you seen that guy's stuff?
1:10:17
SPEAKER_06: It's crazy, it's crazy anyway.
1:10:19
SPEAKER_06: Anyways, yeah, I know we're in the same model club, and we meet up for hot wings and beers beforehand, anyway.
1:10:25
SPEAKER_06: Right, um, anyway, um, but uh but so like there's another show and another kind of like hyper specified kind of deal, which is a little bit what you were talking about, BJ.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_06: And this happens at the uh Rocky Mountain expo, right?
1:10:39
SPEAKER_06: Our friend Barry Bettiger from the Small Subjects podcast, and Scott Gentlemen, no, no, no, no, Scott, thank you, thank you, Scott Gentry.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_06: Oh, you saved me.
1:10:48
SPEAKER_06: Scott Gentry from Plastic Posse.
1:10:50
SPEAKER_06: They have a show that happens out in, I believe it's Utah, Colorado.
1:10:54
SPEAKER_06: It's in Colorado, thank you.
1:10:55
SPEAKER_06: It's the Rocky Mountain Hobby Expo, and they do that kind of situation where they have you have a spot where you set up your black velvet, your tears, you get to put all of your parts out.
1:11:03
SPEAKER_06: It can be cars, it can be planes, it can be figures, it can be historical fantasy, it can be, you know, whatever the hell it is, and they come through and then they look at your body of work and then they select a single item, and they you know, they it does get judged against a rubric, you know.
1:11:17
SPEAKER_06: Um, like Justin had said, if you enter multiple things into, like, say an MFCA show or an AMPS show, you enter multiple subjects into stuff that are all gonna get judged, so you will get a score on it, but you're only gonna be awarded for the highest score, so everything gets judged.
1:11:32
SPEAKER_06: So it's not like they're not gonna look at all of your stuff, they're only going to award one of the things that you have in that group, or if it's just an exhibition like a grand exhibition style where it's all of your work together, you're only going to be awarded for the top prize.
1:11:47
SPEAKER_06: That doesn't mean you suck, right?
1:11:49
SPEAKER_06: Right, no, no, exactly.
1:11:50
SPEAKER_06: You know, because then I I went to the ArmorCon and I I I you know in a mass and I got two scores.
1:11:56
SPEAKER_06: I put two models in that were scorable, and I put in a I put in a Shelby Cobra that wasn't scorable because you can't put cars in those shows, but fucking man put a car in there anyways, you know.
1:12:05
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, let's have fun, anyhow.
1:12:06
SPEAKER_06: Anyhow, anyhow.
1:12:07
SPEAKER_06: Um both of those models, both of those models would have gotten a gold medal, but I was only awarded one gold medal because that's how they do it.
1:12:16
SPEAKER_06: You only get one medal for the that's it cuts down on, you know, it's not for the trophy horse.
1:12:21
SPEAKER_06: No, it's and exactly, it's not you know, and it's a pre it's greatly appreciated.
1:12:25
SPEAKER_10: Our local IPMS, I'm part of the awards committee, and those things are expensive, they're very I mean when it comes down to it, it's all about the dollars and pennies, you know.
1:12:33
SPEAKER_09: Exactly, and in all honesty, in in my experience, the ancient modelers that are against gold, silver, bronze juried exhibitions, they are typically the quote unquote trophy whores that want to go in and they don't share anything that they do.
1:12:53
SPEAKER_09: If you ask them how they did something, they won't tell you.
1:12:56
SPEAKER_09: Like they look at it as a competition and they need to be better than everybody else.
1:13:01
SPEAKER_09: Meanwhile, it's fucking plastic models, dude.
1:13:04
SPEAKER_09: Like you know what I mean.
1:13:06
SPEAKER_08: We're building dynamic is changing.
1:13:09
SPEAKER_10: Just reminder to Justin, we are building an entire podcast around plastic models.
1:13:13
SPEAKER_10: Exactly, exactly.
1:13:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, man.
1:13:17
SPEAKER_10: Right, but but again, that's just giving you a hard time.
1:13:20
SPEAKER_09: I know, no, no, I know.
1:13:21
SPEAKER_09: Um, but I know there's gonna be some listeners that I you know I flick that raw nerve on that broken tooth.
1:13:28
SPEAKER_09: You know what I mean?
1:13:30
SPEAKER_09: But it does seem like the dynamic is changing in these quote unquote competition shows to something more of hey, how'd I do?
1:13:40
SPEAKER_09: I did gold, not oh, I beat Billy Smith over there, you know, with his thing, and he, you know, like no, it's like yeah, this is a community here.
1:13:50
SPEAKER_09: No, that's what let me best you.
1:13:52
SPEAKER_10: That's what Billy was talking about.
1:13:54
SPEAKER_10: Was he was trying to convey that he was really excited for the fact that he could see how well he was doing, whereas if it was a one, two, three deal, he'd have no idea where he stacked up.
1:14:04
SPEAKER_09: Exactly.
1:14:05
SPEAKER_10: And I am my my worst critic, so I'm also gonna be my toughest competition.
1:14:11
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's how I kind of feel about it.
1:14:14
SPEAKER_10: So that's that's and he said he would definitely go back again.
1:14:16
SPEAKER_10: They're talking about having another one next year, and it kills me that it was in Petaluma, California, because that's for most of my family is in California.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_09: And I'm like, oh I could have been there, right?
1:14:25
SPEAKER_09: Exactly.
1:14:26
SPEAKER_09: The best and most well-organized of those types of shows will oftentimes give you notes and feedback as to why you were graded in a specific way.
1:14:37
SPEAKER_09: So, like an amps show, every judge will write notes of what they liked and what they thought they that you lost points on in the judging process.
1:14:47
SPEAKER_09: So something you can pay attention to for the next time, you know what I mean?
1:14:50
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I will I totally welcome that.
1:14:53
SPEAKER_10: Oh, because I want to do better, and exactly just like everybody else out there, I feel the next build needs to be better than the last build.
1:15:00
SPEAKER_10: Unfortunately, when you're doing a a three-hour build with a polar lights kit, it's not gonna happen.
1:15:07
SPEAKER_10: You're just gonna hit the reset button and start all over again.
1:15:10
SPEAKER_09: Well, it was a time machine in your defense, so yeah, right.
1:15:13
SPEAKER_10: And if I had just said it for another 10 minutes, was that the more time in the world?
1:15:19
SPEAKER_10: I'll I'll set it for 10 minutes.
1:15:20
SPEAKER_10: I'm like, that's that's a teenager's thinking right there.
1:15:23
SPEAKER_10: There you go.
1:15:24
SPEAKER_06: So for example, for an AMP show, here's my armor con results, right?
1:15:28
SPEAKER_06: I don't think they matter.
1:15:30
SPEAKER_06: Um, one was oh, I'll say them now because I'm gonna brag.
1:15:33
SPEAKER_06: Fuck it.
1:15:33
SPEAKER_06: One is a 27 of 30, and the other one was a 29 and a half of 30.
1:15:38
SPEAKER_07: So pretty good.
1:15:40
SPEAKER_06: Um not only do they give you back your part that you filled in, they give you all the judges' cards.
1:15:46
SPEAKER_06: So you get to see the judges scored you in and you get to see their notes.
1:15:51
SPEAKER_06: Are the judges' cards anonymous or are they signed?
1:15:54
SPEAKER_06: Uh they're initial.
1:15:55
SPEAKER_06: I think they're anonymous.
1:15:56
SPEAKER_06: This one says really cool build.
1:15:58
SPEAKER_06: Um, like no, it's yeah, you know, they're I think they're anonymized, I believe.
1:16:03
SPEAKER_06: But yeah, yeah, for the most part, the judges don't sign them.
1:16:06
SPEAKER_06: So all right, yeah, yeah.
1:16:07
SPEAKER_06: No, and the the the deal with the this kind of judging, too, is like a lot of times if it's like a three-judge circuit or something like that, they'll do three judges and then they'll throw out the lowest score for whatever reason, and then you get judged off of main of the two top scores.
1:16:21
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that sounds good.
1:16:22
SPEAKER_10: So for me, I'd be the guy walking around with the judge's sheet and a purple pen, marking all the nasty comments and then handing the purple pen to somebody else at the end of the day.
1:16:29
SPEAKER_10: I'm like, that's that's that guy, it's right.
1:16:32
SPEAKER_10: He's right there.
1:16:34
SPEAKER_10: Let's get him.
1:16:37
SPEAKER_10: Cool.
1:16:37
SPEAKER_10: All right, well, uh, that was Billy's report.
1:16:40
SPEAKER_10: So thank you very much, Billy, for letting me interview you.
1:16:42
SPEAKER_10: I I wanted to get you recorded, but this didn't work out.
1:16:46
SPEAKER_10: So uh always next time.
1:16:48
SPEAKER_10: Now let's move on to Jason and uh Jody.
1:16:50
SPEAKER_10: You guys had a quick note about your show?
1:16:53
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, Jody and I went to a show, and I'd like to have Jody give his perspective on how he thought the day went.
1:16:58
SPEAKER_11: The day went fantastic.
1:17:00
SPEAKER_11: It did.
1:17:01
SPEAKER_11: Well, thank you very much.
1:17:02
SPEAKER_11: Moving on.
1:17:02
SPEAKER_02: All right, and now back to you, DG.
1:17:11
SPEAKER_05: So last year was the first year going for me, and uh it was a really good show.
1:17:16
SPEAKER_05: You know, it was about three and a half hours away.
1:17:18
SPEAKER_05: The little lady and I got up in the morning, drove out.
1:17:20
SPEAKER_05: It was a beautiful day for a ride.
1:17:22
SPEAKER_05: Um, you know, IPMS show, the car contingent was pretty strong last year.
1:17:27
SPEAKER_05: It was even stronger this year, I think.
1:17:29
SPEAKER_05: You know, and um there was some really, really good models on the table, really good stiff competition.
1:17:36
SPEAKER_05: Even being an IPMS show, they recognize the auto modeler, you know, and they had what probably seven or eight categories for cars, you know, which is which is good.
1:17:48
SPEAKER_05: You know, they're not we're not pigeonholed into two categories.
1:17:51
SPEAKER_06: Um that's the weirdest thing when that happens.
1:17:54
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I just you know, I don't know I went to the Wings and Wheels show there not long ago, and they had I think four categories, you know.
1:18:02
SPEAKER_06: Oh, right.
1:18:03
SPEAKER_06: I know those guys, I'll push them to try and open it up.
1:18:05
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean it's just tough to kind of kind of do that, you know.
1:18:08
SPEAKER_05: It's it's always a quandary, I think, is car modelers, how many cars we bring, you know.
1:18:13
SPEAKER_05: I think we try to put at least one in each category if you've got something built for that.
1:18:18
SPEAKER_05: I was doubled up in a couple categories.
1:18:21
SPEAKER_05: The street machine category, it was uh probably 40 models in that one alone, you know.
1:18:27
SPEAKER_05: And then um the competition.
1:18:29
SPEAKER_05: I had a couple couple kits in that, and uh it was a it was a good day, I would say.
1:18:38
SPEAKER_11: Was a really good day.
1:18:38
SPEAKER_11: Uh nice, yeah.
1:18:40
SPEAKER_11: Just being honest here.
1:18:41
SPEAKER_11: If you took the cars out of that show, it would have been a very small show.
1:18:45
SPEAKER_11: Um it was it it was sad to see the cars was obviously the biggest category there, most packed, right?
1:18:53
SPEAKER_11: Not much armor, some good stuff, but not much.
1:18:55
SPEAKER_11: And then it was sad to see not many aircraft at all.
1:18:59
SPEAKER_11: I mean, there was no not many.
1:19:01
SPEAKER_11: Was this the Wings and Wheels show?
1:19:03
SPEAKER_11: No, no, no.
1:19:03
SPEAKER_11: This was um this was Downeast Con.
1:19:05
SPEAKER_06: That is uh Down East Con, right.
1:19:07
SPEAKER_06: You yeah, you're okay.
1:19:08
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, yeah, the Southern Main Scale model is they do a really good job with that show, they do an excellent job.
1:19:13
SPEAKER_11: It's organized.
1:19:14
SPEAKER_11: The judging appeared to go really smooth.
1:19:17
SPEAKER_11: Um, I had offered myself up to judge if they needed me, and they didn't ask.
1:19:21
SPEAKER_11: Uh so that tells me that they were really organized, it went smooth.
1:19:25
SPEAKER_11: Um, the awards ceremony went quick and smooth and very organized.
1:19:31
SPEAKER_11: I can't say it enough.
1:19:32
SPEAKER_11: Those guys do an excellent job.
1:19:34
SPEAKER_11: Excellent.
1:19:35
SPEAKER_11: It makes me want to build a plane for next year.
1:19:38
SPEAKER_05: There you go.
1:19:38
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, we got a P38, right?
1:19:41
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, exactly.
1:19:42
SPEAKER_05: Won my first uh gold for a plane.
1:19:46
SPEAKER_05: You did my first yeah, I did.
1:19:47
SPEAKER_05: So, first yeah out of the box, it was the little uh Corsair that I built there for the Mount Mansfield.
1:19:53
SPEAKER_05: Love a Corsair, yeah, aircraft group build we did.
1:19:56
SPEAKER_10: So congratulations, man.
1:19:58
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, yeah.
1:19:59
SPEAKER_09: Congratulations, dude.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_09: Hell yeah.
1:20:01
SPEAKER_09: Uh Jason, I do have in the backseat of my truck right now a uh 148 scale B29 that'll be heading your way Sunday after A uh at uh the uh the the car show that you guys are going to.
1:20:14
SPEAKER_05: That thing.
1:20:15
SPEAKER_06: NNL.
1:20:15
SPEAKER_09: NNL, yes, and NL.
1:20:17
SPEAKER_11: You're on a car podcast.
1:20:19
SPEAKER_11: You think you remember the name of the show that we just talked about?
1:20:23
SPEAKER_06: Dude, I've been talking to this guy, Chris.
1:20:25
SPEAKER_06: He's been trying to get me to go to NNL.
1:20:27
SPEAKER_06: You he's got ants all over his body there just crawling everywhere.
1:20:31
SPEAKER_06: You can just see him scanting.
1:20:33
SPEAKER_06: It's amazing.
1:20:34
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
1:20:36
SPEAKER_06: I think these on, I think he's on drugs.
1:20:38
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
1:20:39
SPEAKER_06: I think he is too.
1:20:41
SPEAKER_09: He's on something joking, joking.
1:20:44
SPEAKER_09: Happens this weekend, and then breakfast with the NNL East crew happens next weekend.
1:20:50
SPEAKER_09: I have to be tongue twisted and tied, corrupt.
1:20:53
SPEAKER_06: So um, I'm considering attending the breakfast.
1:20:57
SPEAKER_06: You should.
1:20:58
SPEAKER_06: Well, you're you live at North Jersey.
1:21:00
SPEAKER_06: So what well, yes, but I'll be staying at the hotel in Philly.
1:21:04
SPEAKER_06: Uh Chris, what can't remember as well.
1:21:06
SPEAKER_06: I just know him as Chris, he's like a pretty decent model.
1:21:08
SPEAKER_06: He's got a YouTube channel, he's out in Philly, or not Philly, he's in uh Pennsylvania, close to I don't think he's out to uh Pittsburgh, but he's out there.
1:21:14
SPEAKER_06: Nice guy.
1:21:15
SPEAKER_06: That's the west side of Pennsylvania.
1:21:17
SPEAKER_06: He's out away.
1:21:18
SPEAKER_06: I know.
1:21:19
SPEAKER_06: I've been through, yes, I know.
1:21:20
SPEAKER_06: Uh he drives, he fucking talks to me about it.
1:21:22
SPEAKER_06: He's like he's like three hours out from Wayne or whatever, I think.
1:21:24
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
1:21:25
SPEAKER_06: Um, anyways, great guy, great, great fucking love auto modeling.
1:21:29
SPEAKER_06: It's an amazing uh hobby field for the scale modeling gen Ruz.
1:21:35
SPEAKER_06: Like uh yeah, to we love it.
1:21:38
SPEAKER_11: Uh that that could that's cool.
1:21:40
SPEAKER_11: One last thing before we move on.
1:21:41
SPEAKER_11: I wanted to say that Jody, Tim, and I we actually brought our easy eight, our Sunday live body build, yeah, put them on the table, side by side by side.
1:21:53
SPEAKER_11: Um, and that was fun.
1:21:55
SPEAKER_11: It was really fun to have it.
1:21:57
SPEAKER_11: It was funny.
1:21:57
SPEAKER_11: I thought I had it down.
1:21:59
SPEAKER_11: Jody and I were talking about like what class are we supposed to be putting these things in, and him and I were like in the Discord room talking about it, and I'm like, I gotta figure it out.
1:22:07
SPEAKER_11: This is what we want to do.
1:22:08
SPEAKER_11: Put it in that class, and um one of the guys that works for the club works for the club, one of the guys that is part of the club comes up and he's like, Hey, so uh I got a movie model, it's not in the right class.
1:22:20
SPEAKER_11: I'm like, No, like, no, I had it totally wrong, completely.
1:22:26
SPEAKER_11: I'm like, okay, explain it to me like I'm five, and I'll just put it wherever you want.
1:22:32
SPEAKER_11: So had a good conversation with him, and uh, yeah, I know now I know for next time.
1:22:37
SPEAKER_05: There you go.
1:22:38
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he accostumed me as well and and said, I have to move your model.
1:22:42
SPEAKER_05: I said, That's fine.
1:22:44
SPEAKER_05: I said, make sure you throw Jason's in the trash.
1:22:47
SPEAKER_05: Oh shit.
1:22:48
SPEAKER_11: Also handling Rob Rift.
1:22:50
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, I was gonna say when he was talking about moving the models, I said, take Jody's and Tim's and put them in the men's room.
1:22:56
SPEAKER_05: There you go.
1:22:58
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, so yeah, but that's that was it.
1:23:00
SPEAKER_11: That was a really, really good time, and I recommend anybody up here in this part of New England should attend that show next year.
1:23:07
SPEAKER_10: Absolutely.
1:23:08
SPEAKER_10: Great show.
1:23:09
SPEAKER_11: Good deal.
1:23:09
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, all right, guys.
1:23:10
SPEAKER_10: I tell you what, let's do another uh quick vendor spot and we'll be right back with uh email.
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1:24:15
SPEAKER_10: Welcome back, folks.
1:24:16
SPEAKER_10: Thanks for sticking around through another one of our little breaks.
1:24:18
SPEAKER_10: Here we had a quick chat about things, but uh we're gonna now hear an email from Justin.
1:24:24
SPEAKER_10: Take it away.
1:24:25
SPEAKER_10: Bad Santa.
1:24:26
SPEAKER_09: So it's actually not from me, it's actually from good friend of the show, Mike's Mods and Customs.
1:24:32
SPEAKER_09: Mike's Mike's Mods and Customs writes in.
1:24:35
SPEAKER_09: Just wanted to write in to let you all know you're doing a great job with the podcast.
1:24:39
SPEAKER_09: I often listen while at work and often get looks from co-workers as I'm laughing while listening to you guys.
1:24:45
SPEAKER_09: It was nice to chat with Jody for a brief moment at ValleyCon.
1:24:49
SPEAKER_09: Jason was missed along with Tim Ryan.
1:24:52
SPEAKER_09: There will be several new England area shows to come, I am sure we will cross paths.
1:24:57
SPEAKER_09: That sounds like a threat.
1:24:58
SPEAKER_09: It does a little bit, but that's okay.
1:25:00
SPEAKER_09: He's not, yeah.
1:25:02
SPEAKER_09: Keep up the good work.
1:25:03
SPEAKER_09: Looking forward to all the podcasts to come.
1:25:06
SPEAKER_09: Signed lovingly, Mike.
1:25:10
SPEAKER_09: Oh, that was very nice of Mike.
1:25:15
SPEAKER_09: Mike's good people.
1:25:16
SPEAKER_09: Yes, he is.
1:25:17
SPEAKER_10: Alright, cool.
1:25:18
SPEAKER_10: Hey, I tell you what, guys, we we have uh something else to talk about today, and that's the continuation of building our model car.
1:25:26
SPEAKER_10: Hand it over to Jody, and he's gonna lead us into this.
1:25:29
SPEAKER_10: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
1:25:32
SPEAKER_05: So uh so we wanted to um right, we've kind of spread out the the building of a model car over a few podcasts.
1:25:38
SPEAKER_05: I figured you know it would be nice just to kind of get it wrapped up, and um we've gone through, you know, pulling it out, building it, painting it, and now we're really into kind of finishing stages, you know, our process of polishing and you know, wet sanding, polishing and all that stuff, um, putting things together, you know, what do we use for uh for glues and things like that?
1:26:02
SPEAKER_05: So I figured um we've had a really good response with what we've done kind of leading up to this, and it would be good just to kind of finish it out, and um, you know, we'll kind of keep it as short as we can because these things tend to linger a little bit, but um uh what we'll do is we'll start with um so we've painted everything, we've got a painted car in front of us, and we need to uh do the steps of wet sanding, polishing, buffing, and all that stuff.
1:26:31
SPEAKER_05: Um, so we'll kind of start from there.
1:26:34
SPEAKER_05: So I'm gonna go with uh I'm gonna start with Mikey.
1:26:38
SPEAKER_05: Mikey, what are your steps to work through polishing of a model car?
1:26:44
SPEAKER_03: Well, I would love to tell you that I came up with this creative, amazing way of doing things, but I would absolutely be lying to you right to your face.
1:26:54
SPEAKER_03: I uh I stole Jason's plant oh perfect, he didn't steal it, I offered it up to you.
1:27:02
SPEAKER_03: That is very true.
1:27:03
SPEAKER_03: He did offer it up to me.
1:27:05
SPEAKER_03: I struggled, and uh, those of guys those of you that have been following along on my channel and uh know that I've been struggling with my paint for a while, it's getting much better, but I I really went through a whole process where my paint looked like a gravel road, and then I made it to look like a golf ball, and uh now I'm actually with this uh modified.
1:27:25
SPEAKER_03: I'm very, very, very, very happy with what I'm producing now.
1:27:29
SPEAKER_03: And it's there's a lot of people that helped me to get there, but uh long and short, uh when when it comes to the question that you ask, I'm gonna have to defer back to Jason because I absolutely follow the same exact technique.
1:27:42
SPEAKER_03: I think the only thing that uh I would do different than Jason is uh when it comes to the polishing, I start with the Novius III, Novius two, and then um go to a uh McGuire's wax.
1:27:56
SPEAKER_03: So he'll explain his process, and like I said, that's the process I use.
1:28:00
SPEAKER_05: All right, we'll we'll skip Jason for now.
1:28:02
SPEAKER_05: Let's go to uh BG because he's not paying attention.
1:28:06
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, wait a second.
1:28:07
SPEAKER_10: I could take a page out of my book, boy.
1:28:11
SPEAKER_10: I am so good at telling myself that I did a good job, I don't even go back and polish my my clear coats.
1:28:19
SPEAKER_10: Actually, I take that back.
1:28:20
SPEAKER_10: I do I do polish my clear coats if I have a little bit of a problem.
1:28:23
SPEAKER_10: But uh in the long run, I I do a lot of I used to do a lot of 2K clear stuff because I just wanted to get better at it.
1:28:29
SPEAKER_10: So I was fighting projects that can just do the 2K clear on there.
1:28:32
SPEAKER_10: And I had so for some reason in my damaged part of my brain, the idea that 2K clear should come out of the gun, go on the car, and and be absolutely perfect right out of the spray, right out of the airbrush.
1:28:45
SPEAKER_10: That's a it's an absolute fallacy.
1:28:46
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's always the hope that it does, but that's the dream, you know.
1:28:52
SPEAKER_10: But the reality of the situation is you're gonna end up with like cottage cheese or some other type of food on the car, and you're gonna have to polish it out.
1:29:00
SPEAKER_10: So I I started following a process that a good friend of mine had shown me.
1:29:04
SPEAKER_10: The the Johns Weber technique, which I did some videos on a few years ago, but uh started off with uh a 3,000 grit because, as John would say, anything higher than 5,000 grit was not gonna do much damage to the uh yeah, it's not gonna cut, yeah, exactly.
1:29:20
SPEAKER_10: It's just gonna bounce off the top of it.
1:29:22
SPEAKER_10: And then John had this really great philosophy.
1:29:24
SPEAKER_10: He said that the first thing you use, the heavy grit that you use to get everything leveled out and smoothed.
1:29:29
SPEAKER_10: Well, that's doing all the work, and everything you do after that is just bringing back that shine.
1:29:34
SPEAKER_10: And once once he once he expressed that point, I it all kind of clicked for me and it made sense.
1:29:39
SPEAKER_10: I'm like, okay, cool.
1:29:40
SPEAKER_10: So skipping a step here and there just because I was in a rush, whatever, wasn't the thing you need to do.
1:29:46
SPEAKER_10: So yeah, I would go from 3,000 to 5,000 up to uh six, eight, and then uh when I get up into the eights, I would switch over to the pastes and then move on from there.
1:29:56
SPEAKER_10: But I I would use the McGuire's, I forget the name of it, but you use it on the headlights to remove scratches.
1:30:03
SPEAKER_10: Scratch, so I I like this, and I used the products that he was showing me because I wanted to make sure I was eliminating any variables in my stuff, but it was just and it for me, it was a very zen process of just um wax on, wax off, you know, and put on some YouTube stuff, and then just follow along with the process and just go over it in my mind, and then next thing you know, I have this this glowing glossy thing in my hand.
1:30:27
SPEAKER_10: And how are you polishing our body?
1:30:29
SPEAKER_10: How is it polishing?
1:30:31
SPEAKER_10: Uh, left to right.
1:30:32
SPEAKER_06: Uh, that's a good answer for that kind of question.
1:30:34
SPEAKER_06: I think that's actually fantastic to be honest with you.
1:30:36
SPEAKER_06: But these I want to know what tool what tool are you using to perform the polishing process?
1:30:42
SPEAKER_06: Are you using a rotary tool?
1:30:43
SPEAKER_06: Are you doing it by hand?
1:30:45
SPEAKER_10: My Dremel micro, because that can get uh, you know, I don't think they make that anymore.
1:30:50
SPEAKER_10: As a matter of fact, I think it's I think they stopped making it recently, but I would use a proxon.
1:30:55
SPEAKER_10: Um okay, um it was like a dust mop almost type of thing.
1:30:59
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I used a proxon dust, and that again that's the thing John showed me how to use, and just kind of dab it on in spots and then keep the speed down as low as I could because I didn't want to heat up the model, literally.
1:31:12
SPEAKER_06: You don't want to do that at all, or the polish, honestly.
1:31:15
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, because the polish will will discolor and it'll build in areas exactly, exactly.
1:31:20
SPEAKER_10: And I have done that, and it it's it's a heart-sinking moment, but yeah, well, you can remove it, and it just sucks.
1:31:27
SPEAKER_10: Do you have to just sand it back out again or what?
1:31:30
SPEAKER_06: You can with a clean head, like a clean bonnet, you can go in and and pull it out because it'll actually pull it into the bonnet.
1:31:38
SPEAKER_06: Oh, I see how to remove the buildup, yeah.
1:31:40
SPEAKER_06: But you have to be very careful because you don't want to burn your finish, like right.
1:31:43
SPEAKER_06: This is and this is like super delicate paint and and and gloss and lacquer and stuff like that.
1:31:49
SPEAKER_06: Like, I I spent 15 years uh perfecting polishing stainless steel to mirror finish for the work that I did at the metal shops, like so that's a whole different level of like surface condition, but you're absolutely right.
1:32:04
SPEAKER_06: Like the front end is what pays off the back, the back end is what is is so much better if you do all of the work on the front end and make it like flat and smooth, get your checks out, get everything prep proper, like you were saying.
1:32:18
SPEAKER_06: Start with like a you know, like yeah, like 3,000 grit.
1:32:21
SPEAKER_06: Sure, I I start with 1800.
1:32:23
SPEAKER_06: Uh oh wow.
1:32:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:32:26
SPEAKER_06: But I don't use a regular like sandpaper or a sanding stick.
1:32:29
SPEAKER_06: I'll use this like um this 3M product, uh, you know, like a cloth.
1:32:35
SPEAKER_06: Essentially, it's a micron cloth.
1:32:36
SPEAKER_06: So it's micron, what is it?
1:32:39
SPEAKER_06: I have it written down on the back of them.
1:32:40
SPEAKER_06: No, it just says 1800.
1:32:41
SPEAKER_06: Damn it.
1:32:42
SPEAKER_06: It's a light blue one.
1:32:43
SPEAKER_06: Um is it the one from the zona or zona, yeah, zona.
1:32:47
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, they they sell a multi-pack.
1:32:49
SPEAKER_06: I have them like because I use so much of them, I have like lots and lots and lots of them.
1:32:58
SPEAKER_06: I have I have mine all pre-cut.
1:33:00
SPEAKER_06: Oh, you yes, I love that.
1:33:01
SPEAKER_06: I have this is mine.
1:33:03
SPEAKER_06: Let me show my organizer.
1:33:04
SPEAKER_06: Oh, great.
1:33:05
SPEAKER_06: This is my organizer.
1:33:07
SPEAKER_06: Oh, see, perfect.
1:33:09
SPEAKER_10: Right.
1:33:09
SPEAKER_10: So what what I've what I've done is I I've stolen a um a Monday, it was a Sunday through Saturday pill jar from Mrs.
1:33:16
SPEAKER_10: BG.
1:33:17
SPEAKER_06: I emptied all of her pills into a pile on a desk, and then I cut all the little microfiber things into swatches and I put them because if you don't have the color code that that's uh that's in the package, you don't know what the hell is and especially with that high end, like the 14 or no zero, 14,000 grit, the zero or one micron.
1:33:39
SPEAKER_06: You can't tell what you want to write on you have to write on the back side 100% every time.
1:33:44
SPEAKER_06: No lie.
1:33:45
SPEAKER_06: I I stole a makeup organizer.
1:33:47
SPEAKER_06: Well, not even stole, she gave it to me.
1:33:49
SPEAKER_06: My loving wife, yeah, gave me the uh yeah, uh, we'll call her that.
1:33:53
SPEAKER_06: Uh gave me the organizer, tolerance.
1:33:56
SPEAKER_06: My tolerance wife.
1:33:58
SPEAKER_06: That is more there.
1:33:59
SPEAKER_06: You go, yeah.
1:34:00
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, select my words properly.
1:34:03
SPEAKER_05: What are you uh what are you using for polishing compounds and stuff?
1:34:07
SPEAKER_06: McGuire's baby.
1:34:09
SPEAKER_06: Um because Amazon is a giant conglomerate and they often fuck things up.
1:34:17
SPEAKER_06: So she ended up getting this, which is Novus Plastic Polish, yeah.
1:34:22
SPEAKER_06: Um, which I am so going to employ on windshields, uh, and I suppose, like you know, uh windscreen for airplanes and stuff like that, but absolutely for the windshields for the fucking cars that are coming up.
1:34:33
SPEAKER_06: I got a bunch of skylines that I'm gonna be working on, doing some crazy Kaido stuff, big nose, weird things like wide stance, drop-down flares.
1:34:42
SPEAKER_06: Oh, let's go, boys.
1:34:43
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, nice crazy, crazy paint designs.
1:34:46
SPEAKER_10: Let's go.
1:34:47
SPEAKER_10: So I have the the scratch X here.
1:34:49
SPEAKER_10: I remember that's like right next to me, scratch X, and then Brian had the ultra polish, right?
1:34:53
SPEAKER_10: The pre-wax stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:34:56
SPEAKER_10: And then I and then I would go on to the this is where we break from tradition.
1:35:00
SPEAKER_10: We go into the I don't know how to pronounce this groit.
1:35:03
SPEAKER_10: Sounds like something that happens when you get kicked in the nuts.
1:35:06
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, gorillo's garage, the polywax, yeah.
1:35:10
SPEAKER_10: And then uh, but in between those, I would use the speed shine, the speed shine to help clean off the surfaces.
1:35:17
SPEAKER_05: It does clean it off, yeah.
1:35:18
SPEAKER_10: Rather than rather than using water or something like that.
1:35:21
SPEAKER_10: So excellent.
1:35:22
SPEAKER_05: So that's what about you what about you, Justin?
1:35:25
SPEAKER_05: Justin Body Guy.
1:35:26
SPEAKER_05: What do you what what do you use to uh what's your process for polishing and all that stuff?
1:35:31
SPEAKER_06: I go in with the Trizact 8 and uh rotary tool with a tune it down, the airflow down.
1:35:39
SPEAKER_03: That's what I use I uh I get it right out of a spray gun.
1:35:43
SPEAKER_09: You get it out of a spray gun.
1:35:45
SPEAKER_09: A Trizac?
1:35:46
SPEAKER_08: I know I don't need to polish, I get it right with my spray paper.
1:35:51
SPEAKER_09: Right.
1:35:51
SPEAKER_05: Oh, perfect.
1:35:52
SPEAKER_05: So you don't have to polish it all.
1:35:55
SPEAKER_09: No, I usually don't.
1:35:56
SPEAKER_09: I mean, even if it you know, if it looks a little freaking lumpy, clumpy.
1:36:01
SPEAKER_09: If I got dirt nibs, I'll sand it down 1500 grit, you know, just kind of knock down a little bit, hit it with some 3000, and then I'll clear coat it again.
1:36:10
SPEAKER_09: And at that point, my clear or my you know, my clear is nice and flat because everything's been sanded with 3000 grit.
1:36:16
SPEAKER_09: And uh I'm just gonna say, Dust, do you mix your your clear a little hot on that second pass?
1:36:22
SPEAKER_09: Uh not necessarily.
1:36:23
SPEAKER_09: No, look, if I'm using uh if I'm using 2k, uh, you know, and I hate that phrase being in the collision repair industry, that we don't call it 2k, it's just clear coat.
1:36:34
SPEAKER_09: Um, but if I'm using that proverbial 2k that us us car modelers use, I will typically I will follow the ratio on my clear coat, you know, it's four to one, but I will also add one part.
1:36:50
SPEAKER_09: Um Mr.
1:36:51
SPEAKER_09: Surface, Mr.
1:36:52
SPEAKER_09: Level Surface, Mr.
1:36:53
SPEAKER_09: Surf, Mr.
1:36:54
SPEAKER_09: Leveling Thinner.
1:36:55
SPEAKER_09: God damn, yeah, Mr.
1:36:58
SPEAKER_09: Surpenter.
1:36:59
SPEAKER_09: Yes, that one.
1:37:00
SPEAKER_09: Um Mr.
1:37:03
SPEAKER_09: Leveling Thinner.
1:37:04
SPEAKER_09: I'll I will go four to one to one with Mr.
1:37:07
SPEAKER_09: Leveling Thinner as that second one, and uh my my first couple coats go on just a little bit light, lighter, so that way when the clear adheres to the car, it leaves tooth for my next heavier coats, so it doesn't just drip off the car and create little clear coat icicles.
1:37:25
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, but you know, when you when you can develop your technique, technically don't always need to sand and polish.
1:37:32
SPEAKER_05: Yep.
1:37:33
SPEAKER_05: If you can get it nice and flat, that's for sure.
1:37:36
SPEAKER_09: And if you get if you get confident with your spray technique, you can put it on nice and wet where it won't run, and it'll be flat enough that you don't need to sand it and polish it flat.
1:37:47
SPEAKER_06: My uh my submitted photos for the Musuru cup were unpolished, unsanded, on anything it was just raw.
1:37:53
SPEAKER_06: That's not a dig at the rest of us at all, is it?
1:37:55
SPEAKER_02: No, no, I was just gonna say I don't know if that was a slam or a just the way it works out.
1:38:00
SPEAKER_06: The clear coat it worked out really well, it looked really good.
1:38:03
SPEAKER_06: I didn't need to like I didn't feel like I needed to get in there and get funky.
1:38:07
SPEAKER_06: Prior to that, the other nine coats of clear coat that went on top of the fucking thing, yes, of course, those were all sanded between, but that final coat I didn't feel like I needed to sand it or polish it or anything like that, right?
1:38:21
SPEAKER_09: And that's and that's the thing.
1:38:22
SPEAKER_09: So polishing isn't always necessary, and I do find that in the car modeling world, I find that people so many times the well, and we're we're talking the average here, we're not talking anything but the average nondescript faceless car modeler will do things because they think they're supposed to do those things, you know.
1:38:46
SPEAKER_09: Like you don't necessarily have to stand and polish your clear coat if it looks good on the model.
1:38:52
SPEAKER_09: Why are we standing and polishing?
1:38:54
SPEAKER_09: It looks good, just hit it with well, and I'm not even a big proponent of waxing your model car because what are you parking it outside in the weather?
1:39:00
SPEAKER_09: Oh, yeah, it's the higher shine.
1:39:02
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, well, that's debatable because you know industry standards.
1:39:06
SPEAKER_06: I know, I know, bro.
1:39:08
SPEAKER_06: I love splitting hairs.
1:39:09
SPEAKER_06: You and that's why you and I are such good friends.
1:39:11
SPEAKER_09: It's also people that do things because they think that's what they're supposed to do with it.
1:39:17
SPEAKER_09: If it needs it, do it.
1:39:18
SPEAKER_09: If it doesn't need it and you're happy with how it looks, why risk damaging it?
1:39:22
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you know.
1:39:24
SPEAKER_09: Um, there are times where I've sanded and polished.
1:39:27
SPEAKER_09: Uh when I do, I don't go super duper crazy.
1:39:31
SPEAKER_09: I would say I don't typically sand any finer than 5,000 grit because after that, you're really just polishing it anyway.
1:39:40
SPEAKER_09: And if you're gonna use a compound and a glaze, you're just doing the same thing that your you know, your sandpaper is doing the same thing that your compound's gonna do.
1:39:50
SPEAKER_09: Yep, you know, and 5,000 grit is that's really fine, you know, and again, this is all coming from collision repair experience, uh, and actually having done it with full-size buffers and all of that stuff.
1:40:05
SPEAKER_09: Um, yeah, you know, it's it's a lot of times it's overkill that might not necessarily need to be done.
1:40:13
SPEAKER_09: Could does it make it look a little shinier?
1:40:15
SPEAKER_09: Perhaps.
1:40:16
SPEAKER_09: Perhaps, yeah.
1:40:17
SPEAKER_08: But is the is the risk I gotta be devil's advocate, Justin.
1:40:22
SPEAKER_09: Tell me the risk.
1:40:23
SPEAKER_09: Tell me about the risk.
1:40:24
SPEAKER_09: The is the risk worth the reward, is where I'm coming from.
1:40:29
SPEAKER_09: You know, the potential for sanding through your clear coat and having to sand it all down and respray it.
1:40:37
SPEAKER_09: Catching an edge with your mechanical buffer and launching the body across the room.
1:40:42
SPEAKER_09: You know what I mean?
1:40:43
SPEAKER_09: Like I mean, who's doing this?
1:40:45
SPEAKER_08: Nine times out of ten, the risk isn't worth the reward.
1:40:48
SPEAKER_06: It's not as bad as American Gladiators as you might make it point out to be there, Justin.
1:40:52
SPEAKER_06: But no one's launching tennis balls at you while you're trying to polish your model.
1:40:57
SPEAKER_11: Um I kind of want to go to Justin's and do that.
1:41:02
SPEAKER_05: Let's move on to Mr.
1:41:03
SPEAKER_05: Hanscom.
1:41:05
SPEAKER_05: He's gonna speak for himself and he's gonna speak for Mikey.
1:41:08
SPEAKER_05: And I already know that Jason's sanding the world over there, so let's hear it.
1:41:11
SPEAKER_11: Okay, so here's the thing.
1:41:13
SPEAKER_11: So I I agree.
1:41:14
SPEAKER_11: I agree with Justin.
1:41:15
SPEAKER_11: Sometimes you don't have to sand the clear coat, sometimes it sometimes it really does lay down beautifully, and you just have to polish it.
1:41:23
SPEAKER_11: Um, but we all know, and this is gonna drive Jody right up the wall.
1:41:28
SPEAKER_11: If you if it was if you could see him, he's gonna climb up that wall behind him.
1:41:32
SPEAKER_11: We all know I polish my primer, my paint, and my clear coat when needed.
1:41:38
SPEAKER_11: I start at 4,000 and I end at 12,000.
1:41:42
SPEAKER_11: So let's say I've gotten to the clear coat part, and let's say just for the hell of it, I didn't wet sand it because, like Justin said, it laid down perfect.
1:41:53
SPEAKER_11: I still have multi-step polishing process that I follow.
1:41:58
SPEAKER_11: And I'm glad somebody in here brought up the novice because uh I do have novice one through one through three that I will clean my glass up with.
1:42:09
SPEAKER_11: That stuff works amazing.
1:42:11
SPEAKER_11: It's legitimately it's made for car headlights.
1:42:15
SPEAKER_11: I haven't had a chance to play yet.
1:42:16
SPEAKER_11: I'm so excited.
1:42:17
SPEAKER_11: I can't I can't wait.
1:42:18
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, it it it it cleans up glass really well.
1:42:21
SPEAKER_11: But let's let's say I've got this really nice body in front of me that's clear-coated and ready to polish.
1:42:28
SPEAKER_11: I start, I polish with by hand, because I also find it very relaxing, and I'm terrified to burn through it the paint.
1:42:37
SPEAKER_11: I have these gravity polishing compounds.
1:42:40
SPEAKER_11: It's uh it's a three-step process, starts with coarse grade, goes to fine grade, ends with finish grade, and I do that by hand.
1:42:53
SPEAKER_11: And I have I go to the Joanne Fabrics or the Walmart, and I'll buy a yard of this really soft cotton and cut it into these little squares.
1:43:02
SPEAKER_11: I usually get mine right from the plant.
1:43:04
SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, oh god.
1:43:08
SPEAKER_11: Sure and you do.
1:43:09
SPEAKER_11: You know, of course, I mean it goes without saying uh each each step has I have an applicating cloth and a polishing cloth for each step.
1:43:18
SPEAKER_11: Um once I've done that, I move on to McGuire's uh gloss enhancer.
1:43:24
SPEAKER_11: That's of course after if I've cleaned, if there's like a mess, right?
1:43:27
SPEAKER_11: I'm I'm like brushing it off with my to me, a static brush in between because like it it will leave the cotton will leave a dust on the model, that kind of stuff, right?
1:43:37
SPEAKER_06: So bro, I live 50 feet from the ocean, uh and I have a cat.
1:43:43
SPEAKER_11: So sand and cat.
1:43:45
SPEAKER_11: Sand cat.
1:43:46
SPEAKER_11: Oh, yeah.
1:43:46
SPEAKER_11: I was gonna say, dude, I live in the middle of the woods and I have three cats.
1:43:50
SPEAKER_06: So dude, so you got pollen and cat.
1:43:53
SPEAKER_11: Exactly, exactly.
1:43:55
SPEAKER_10: Um, I'm in the desert.
1:43:57
SPEAKER_11: Oh, so scorpions, yeah, those can be rough too.
1:44:00
SPEAKER_10: They always hate when those get stuck in my paint.
1:44:02
SPEAKER_10: Yes, scorpion hairs, it's the worst.
1:44:07
SPEAKER_06: Dig a hole.
1:44:08
SPEAKER_06: No, I don't know.
1:44:08
SPEAKER_06: I'm fucking with you.
1:44:09
SPEAKER_06: No, I'm I love it, I would love the desert.
1:44:11
SPEAKER_05: Mike, are you using the gravity stuff too?
1:44:13
SPEAKER_03: No, I I use the Nova stuff only because I've that was the the only one that I knew of.
1:44:18
SPEAKER_03: Now that Jason told me about gravity, I might look into it.
1:44:21
SPEAKER_03: He's holding out on you, man.
1:44:23
SPEAKER_03: The three-step process is what I was looking at.
1:44:25
SPEAKER_03: Things that were made to work together.
1:44:27
SPEAKER_03: Uh, the one thing I would like to bring up, I I do not power tool anything when it comes to waxing, but these little these little microfiber brushes that you get from online.
1:44:39
SPEAKER_03: You guys can see them because I'm holding it up to camera.
1:44:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:44:42
SPEAKER_03: Uh Amazon sells these things for like four dollars a box, and they're coming with 500 different, you know, different sizes or whatever.
1:44:49
SPEAKER_06: Right, it's like an acrylic stick with like a foam head, right?
1:44:52
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, well, it's a mic, it's a microfiber head.
1:44:54
SPEAKER_06: Oh, microfiber head.
1:44:55
SPEAKER_06: There you go.
1:44:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so that's what they said about me, right?
1:45:01
SPEAKER_03: So it works really well.
1:45:03
SPEAKER_03: But again, no, I've been using fiber.
1:45:05
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
1:45:06
SPEAKER_03: I've been using the novice only because it was a process.
1:45:08
SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm a big, I'm a big fan of if they're made to work together, whether it be paint, glues, whatever.
1:45:15
SPEAKER_03: If it's made to work together, it's designed to work together, make it you know, work it together.
1:45:20
SPEAKER_03: So now with the gravity thing, uh, I'm gonna look into that.
1:45:23
SPEAKER_03: Thank you for that, Jason.
1:45:24
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna look into the gravity thing because I know the novice is designed for headlights, but it does does work really well.
1:45:30
SPEAKER_03: It does.
1:45:31
SPEAKER_03: I've had a good look, but it may not be the best product available.
1:45:34
SPEAKER_11: I think it's the first Novus one is the cleaner that works really well too.
1:45:38
SPEAKER_11: If you've got like if it's just full of schmutz, right?
1:45:42
SPEAKER_11: Novus the cleaner works really well.
1:45:44
SPEAKER_11: Um, it's also I want to point out that if you're gonna be doing anything like this, get yourself some of the pointy Tamiya um q-tips, or even even go, or go to Amazon and get like a package of the cheap pointy ones.
1:46:02
SPEAKER_11: So the the stuff will build up in all of like your trunk seam and your door gaps, it'll build up in there, and you've gotta you've gotta like take time and and get that out of there too.
1:46:11
SPEAKER_10: Those are called precision q-tips, by the way.
1:46:14
SPEAKER_06: Beautiful tips.
1:46:15
SPEAKER_06: I love it.
1:46:16
SPEAKER_06: I I like I like to use a lightly sanded toothpick.
1:46:19
SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say a toothpick works, yeah.
1:46:23
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I just I just uh because I got obviously I got the little kitty of sandpapers over here.
1:46:27
SPEAKER_06: I just like sand it down so there's no burrs or anything funky, and then yeah, that's just kind of like my one of my go-to's.
1:46:32
SPEAKER_06: Like, why not?
1:46:32
SPEAKER_06: That's cool.
1:46:33
SPEAKER_06: I have a whole drawer full of cotton buds though, because I use them for panel liner and whatever, you know.
1:46:40
SPEAKER_11: I've got I've q uh I have q-tips, but also when my wife goes shopping every week, she picks up one of these for a dollar ninety-nine, and it's got a million toothpicks in it, right?
1:46:53
SPEAKER_06: I love these ones that are like dudes with feet and they have like a hat, and you turn the hat and it makes two holes at the toothpicks to come out.
1:47:02
SPEAKER_06: I need to step up my tooth game up, apparently.
1:47:04
SPEAKER_06: Well, you just gotta go to you gotta go to the ghetto grocery store in Brooklyn eight years ago.
1:47:10
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, oh it's time and destination.
1:47:13
SPEAKER_11: Okay, so Brian, I'm gonna need to I'm gonna need to borrow that DeLorean when you're done.
1:47:18
SPEAKER_11: Um so oh my DeLorean or his?
1:47:22
SPEAKER_11: Either one.
1:47:23
SPEAKER_10: Which Delore which DeLorean did you build, Brian?
1:47:26
SPEAKER_10: I I built back to feature two DeLorean with the Mr.
1:47:29
SPEAKER_06: Um who's the boxer?
1:47:30
SPEAKER_06: Was it Eshma or Oh no no no?
1:47:33
SPEAKER_10: This was Polar Lights.
1:47:34
SPEAKER_06: Polar Lights I have the I did the I did the Ayoshima DeLorean before they released the really nice one.
1:47:42
SPEAKER_06: So I got the other one, and I start I scratch-built a bunch of shit on the inside of it.
1:47:46
SPEAKER_06: Like, I'll share your photos and I want to talk.
1:47:48
SPEAKER_06: Yes, yeah, hell yeah.
1:47:49
SPEAKER_06: Send over uh messenger.
1:47:50
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, of course, bro.
1:47:51
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
1:47:52
SPEAKER_06: I was curious because yeah, it was just like my brain so not too late for me to tear mine apart and start over again.
1:47:57
SPEAKER_11: Exactly.
1:47:58
SPEAKER_10: Um just get another, yeah.
1:48:00
SPEAKER_10: Three hours.
1:48:00
SPEAKER_11: Let's get another.
1:48:01
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, three hours.
1:48:04
SPEAKER_11: So I move on to the Meguiar's gloss enhancer.
1:48:08
SPEAKER_11: That's next.
1:48:09
SPEAKER_11: This is where the other night, Jody, again, we were on Discord and your head almost exploded when you asked me what I put what I wax or polish with.
1:48:17
SPEAKER_11: After the polish enhancer, I use the crystal clear Maguire's liquid carnuba wax as a finisher.
1:48:25
SPEAKER_05: And he he had that same look the other night when he's like Well, I thought it was Carnuba paste wax.
1:48:31
SPEAKER_11: Oh okay.
1:48:32
SPEAKER_05: Oh speaking about getting your DeLorean and fucking going back and trying to get the water.
1:48:37
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, I get I get you know it's got the sponge that's like six inches in diameter, and I've yeah, the big mile the fucking uh on the random orbital thing, yeah.
1:48:46
SPEAKER_11: Exactly.
1:48:47
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, so that that is my polishing process.
1:48:50
SPEAKER_11: Whether it's good, bad, incorrect, correct, who's to say?
1:48:55
SPEAKER_11: But um, that's the process I followed on my flip nose Malibu, and you cannot argue that looks pretty good.
1:49:04
SPEAKER_10: Looks fantastic.
1:49:06
SPEAKER_10: That doesn't look pretty good.
1:49:07
SPEAKER_10: It looks fantastic.
1:49:09
SPEAKER_10: Fantastic.
1:49:10
SPEAKER_10: Fantastic.
1:49:11
SPEAKER_06: I give it nine thumbs up.
1:49:13
SPEAKER_06: Nine thumbs up.
1:49:20
SPEAKER_05: And then I use the Meguiar's compound, the Maguire's polish, and then hand glaze.
1:49:27
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, wait.
1:49:34
SPEAKER_06: That's it.
1:49:35
SPEAKER_06: Are you for real?
1:49:36
SPEAKER_06: Really?
1:49:37
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, dude.
1:49:38
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:49:38
SPEAKER_05: But I pony up and buy really good paper though.
1:49:41
SPEAKER_05: I buy the Maguire's um, it's unigrit paper, it's really expensive, but it's okay, it's extremely good paper.
1:49:50
SPEAKER_05: And I don't use any orbital tools.
1:49:52
SPEAKER_05: I do it all by hand.
1:49:54
SPEAKER_05: Microfiber.
1:49:55
SPEAKER_06: That makes the sense.
1:49:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:49:56
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
1:49:57
SPEAKER_05: Use a backer.
1:49:58
SPEAKER_05: Nope.
1:49:59
SPEAKER_05: You don't use a back.
1:50:00
SPEAKER_05: Nope.
1:50:01
SPEAKER_06: Interesting.
1:50:02
SPEAKER_05: I take I'm intrigued.
1:50:03
SPEAKER_05: I am intrigued.
1:50:04
SPEAKER_05: I take my microfiber towel.
1:50:06
SPEAKER_05: I put a little bit of polish on or compound.
1:50:08
SPEAKER_05: And I just kind of go through and kind of work it back.
1:50:12
SPEAKER_05: And buff it out.
1:50:13
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:50:13
SPEAKER_05: Buff it out.
1:50:14
SPEAKER_05: Then I do the polishing compound.
1:50:17
SPEAKER_05: And then I will we'll talk about bare metal foil in a minute.
1:50:21
SPEAKER_05: But if I'm going to bare metal foil something, I will polish or compound polish.
1:50:25
SPEAKER_05: Then I wash the body with hot water, dish liquid, get all the compound off, then do the bare metal foil.
1:50:34
SPEAKER_05: Then I'll go back and do hand glaze after that.
1:50:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:50:37
SPEAKER_05: Because the hand glaze covers micro scratches, if there's any, and that really puts a nice shine.
1:50:43
SPEAKER_05: I don't put any wax of any kind on anything.
1:50:45
SPEAKER_05: But I use the hand glaze, the two different McGuire compounds, and only 3,000 grit paper.
1:50:52
SPEAKER_11: Interesting.
1:50:56
SPEAKER_11: Can I ask you a question?
1:50:58
SPEAKER_05: Yes, sir.
1:50:59
SPEAKER_11: What how much time, if you had to estimate time-wise, how much time do you spend on your polishing process?
1:51:07
SPEAKER_05: Um, probably an hour.
1:51:10
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
1:51:11
SPEAKER_11: So Mikey, he's spending an hour polishing his stuff.
1:51:15
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, Mikey, listen.
1:51:16
SPEAKER_11: He's spending an hour polishing his stuff, bringing it to shows and bringing home multiple gold medals, and I'm spending six hours and not you should be listening to him.
1:51:27
SPEAKER_03: Apparently, I need a new role model.
1:51:29
SPEAKER_07: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
1:51:32
SPEAKER_03: Here's why I won't.
1:51:33
SPEAKER_03: Here's why I won't, because old Tom, old Tom and the guy we call King Sparkles, Brad.
1:51:40
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they both told me essentially the same thing, and that's where the TriZec, the Tri-Zec paper came from, which is what I use.
1:51:46
SPEAKER_03: Right.
1:51:47
SPEAKER_03: So if you got guys like that that are telling you to do that, no, I'm just kidding.
1:51:52
SPEAKER_11: I'm just it's it's a big joke.
1:51:56
SPEAKER_03: I know, but Jody is an award winner, so he's found a shortcut that works.
1:52:00
SPEAKER_05: Right.
1:52:00
SPEAKER_05: Take this for what it's worth.
1:52:01
SPEAKER_05: The amount of time that we take and commit when we build a model, we always talk about slowing down, and that's one of the things I'm really trying to do is slow things down.
1:52:10
SPEAKER_05: And slowing things down, that doesn't necessarily mean slow it down to spend more time doing things that really are not gonna benefit you in the long run to achieve the result you're trying to achieve.
1:52:21
SPEAKER_05: You know, it's like sanding the body to the nth degree.
1:52:25
SPEAKER_05: That's fine until you run into the problem of the fact that it's way too polished.
1:52:31
SPEAKER_05: And you know, if you're doing you know multiple color paint jobs, you're gonna end up peeling that shit right off.
1:52:36
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, you need some tooth or any number of things, yeah.
1:52:39
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you know, so you know, Justin can speak to this, you know, painting a car, I'm sanding with 400 grit, you know, and and maybe a little bit of 600.
1:52:49
SPEAKER_05: That's where I'm leaving it because you not only have a chemical bond, you got a mechanical bond.
1:52:54
SPEAKER_08: Yep.
1:52:54
SPEAKER_05: Now you got to be careful because with the paints and stuff that we use, with fine scale, they can be delicate, right?
1:53:03
SPEAKER_05: Metallic, it you got it's got to be smooth because if it's not, all those little peaks and valleys that are left behind, it really accentuates that.
1:53:11
SPEAKER_09: So, Jeremy, that's where your first coat before your metallics that you would lay down, that's where a surfacer or a primer sealer comes in play because it will fill that 600 grit sanding scratches, but it will also give you that Mr.
1:53:30
SPEAKER_09: Surfacer 1500.
1:53:32
SPEAKER_09: That's the perfect thing for after sanding before painting.
1:53:36
SPEAKER_05: That's exactly what I use that.
1:53:37
SPEAKER_05: That's what exactly what I use that for.
1:53:39
SPEAKER_05: I thin that out, yep, nice and thin, apply a nice thin layer on that covers that all up, and then you kind of go from there.
1:53:49
SPEAKER_09: It fills the 600 grit scratches, and if you spray that and not give it a week to dry, if you spray that, let it dry 10-15 minutes, and apply your paint coat.
1:54:00
SPEAKER_09: That is basically what we call in the business a wet on wet application, and your paints will actually merge, they will hold each other down.
1:54:11
SPEAKER_05: Yep, so 3000 grit, good paper, yeah, polish, comp or compound, the Meguiar's same one that Brian held up.
1:54:20
SPEAKER_06: I mean polish, try, yeah, Nova, Trizac.
1:54:25
SPEAKER_05: Then I'm washing it usually if I'm gonna do bare metal foil to get all that residue off.
1:54:30
SPEAKER_05: And then when it's all done, the models all assembled.
1:54:32
SPEAKER_05: I'll take the um I've got Adams polishes, hand glaze, I've got some old school.
1:54:38
SPEAKER_05: Justin may have seen this along the way, but 3M makes an Imperial hand glaze that's just fantastic stuff.
1:54:44
SPEAKER_05: Yep.
1:54:45
SPEAKER_05: And for the body shop, you know, busting out quick, quick turnarounds on some of these.
1:54:50
SPEAKER_05: That stuff is really amazing relative to bringing a shine back if you've put a buffer to it.
1:54:55
SPEAKER_05: And that's basically where I leave it.
1:54:57
SPEAKER_05: I don't put any sort of wax, you know, they go in the display case.
1:55:00
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you're trying it to wax, yeah.
1:55:01
SPEAKER_05: When I when I pull them out, you know, I will clean them up a little bit and uh maybe take a little bit of that um hand glaze to it.
1:55:08
SPEAKER_05: But the Adam stuff that I use is really thin, it's almost like a water consistency, so it goes on really thin, wipes off really thin, it leaves a nice shine on, you know, 600 grit on the body as I put it together, and then 3,000 grit an hour, maybe or so, depending on what the what the what the build is.
1:55:29
SPEAKER_05: But um, I don't kind of overcomplicate it.
1:55:32
SPEAKER_05: I I'll say this.
1:55:33
SPEAKER_05: I've seen really smooth, flat paint jobs on full-size cars and on models.
1:55:39
SPEAKER_05: And in my opinion, when you remove any, let's call it orange peel or deformity, I really feel that the light reflects reflects off that and refracts from it.
1:55:52
SPEAKER_05: I think it looks better than a car that's perfectly flat.
1:55:55
SPEAKER_05: Because I've seen perfectly flat models that just look dead.
1:55:58
SPEAKER_05: I've seen perfectly flat paint jobs on show cars that just look dead.
1:56:04
SPEAKER_05: You know, when you when you spray a clear coat and you don't touch it, that's the best that thing's ever going to look until we start fucking with it.
1:56:12
SPEAKER_08: You create more work.
1:56:13
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's tough to get it back 100%.
1:56:16
SPEAKER_05: Okay, you know, Jody, why don't we why don't you and I hang out more?
1:56:19
SPEAKER_06: I don't know what's going on here, man.
1:56:20
SPEAKER_06: Get a hold of me.
1:56:22
SPEAKER_05: Get a hold of me.
1:56:22
SPEAKER_06: I'm full of good ideas.
1:56:23
SPEAKER_06: I will, brother.
1:56:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you are.
1:56:25
SPEAKER_11: So I got a qu I get a question.
1:56:26
SPEAKER_11: So you took you're saying Meguire, hand glaze.
1:56:30
SPEAKER_11: I want you to please send me a picture of your hand the the hand glaze that you use.
1:56:35
SPEAKER_05: I will send uh I'll send a message to the group of all three products that I use.
1:56:39
SPEAKER_06: Okay, now I have a question.
1:56:42
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yes, BG.
1:56:43
SPEAKER_06: What sorry, as I'm I'm hosting the show I'm guessing on.
1:56:47
SPEAKER_06: I know you're sorry, brother.
1:56:49
SPEAKER_06: Sorry.
1:56:50
SPEAKER_06: Yes, go ahead, BG.
1:56:51
SPEAKER_06: Yes, you're up next.
1:56:53
SPEAKER_10: So Jody, I'm wondering, is this a technique you can demonstrate on the Sunday Live?
1:56:58
SPEAKER_10: Absolutely.
1:56:59
SPEAKER_05: I Jason got to see it firsthand last year at the Mansfield show, you know?
1:57:05
SPEAKER_11: So you did.
1:57:06
SPEAKER_05: How long did it take me to wet sand that roof and polish it back?
1:57:10
SPEAKER_10: Ten minutes.
1:57:11
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:57:11
SPEAKER_10: All right.
1:57:12
SPEAKER_10: Well then I I challenge you to to when next time you have to do a uh uh a clear a clear coat polish or scrub up or whatever you want to call it.
1:57:19
SPEAKER_10: I challenge you to uh to do that on the on the Sunday live for us.
1:57:22
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, let's do it.
1:57:22
SPEAKER_05: We'll do it.
1:57:23
SPEAKER_05: Let's uh we'll we'll figure it out.
1:57:24
SPEAKER_05: I'll get something in clear coat and we'll uh I'll do it, you know, do a live demonstration for everybody.
1:57:29
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, I think that would be fantastic.
1:57:31
SPEAKER_11: And and I think maybe I might, you know what, I might change my process.
1:57:36
SPEAKER_11: I might pick up what you you send that picture to the group, and I pick up those products, and uh on the very next model that I am putting together, I might try that process.
1:57:47
SPEAKER_11: You never know.
1:57:48
SPEAKER_11: I might enjoy it more, it might save me some time.
1:57:50
SPEAKER_10: Now that's that's interesting that you say that, Jason, because I appreciate the fact that you are open to other possibilities for a technique.
1:57:58
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, of course, and I think that's that's a key feature to this hobby, Brian.
1:58:03
SPEAKER_10: Would you agree that that's something we as builders need to do is be more open to other techniques at times?
1:58:09
SPEAKER_06: When five three thousand as they said in uh when Tony Stark's little debt daughter after he died was like three thousand, three thousand fucking percent.
1:58:18
SPEAKER_06: Like uh, yeah, uh totally, totally a hundred percent.
1:58:22
SPEAKER_06: And I would be willing to throw my dusty burlap hat sack into the fucking ring.
1:58:28
SPEAKER_06: I have a thousand carcass doesn't matter.
1:58:30
SPEAKER_06: I'll I'll I'll I would love to I'll do a roof and I'll do my method of my fucking cantankerous method as opposed to doing 3000 grit or any of these other methodologies.
1:58:40
SPEAKER_06: Why don't we have a polish off pants off polish pants off?
1:58:48
SPEAKER_06: All right, only only stick shifts.
1:58:51
SPEAKER_06: Okay, we can only polish stick shifts.
1:58:53
SPEAKER_06: We gotta polish the knobs, and that's this is gonna be it.
1:58:57
SPEAKER_06: We're gonna see who can get we gotta find out who gets done first, okay?
1:59:01
SPEAKER_06: So the real it's speed, it's all about speed you are now taking the dirtiness away from me.
1:59:08
SPEAKER_09: There you go.
1:59:10
SPEAKER_09: You will now let Dick Van Dyke and Mary Poppins with the drum on your back, the cymbals on your knees, the harmonica around your neck.
1:59:19
SPEAKER_05: I I will leave it at this as we move on to the next piece of this.
1:59:24
SPEAKER_05: Rest in peace, the great Don Yost.
1:59:26
SPEAKER_05: But Don Yost taught everybody that's the way you did things.
1:59:29
SPEAKER_05: You polished the body to oblivion, right?
1:59:32
SPEAKER_05: And he used enamel paints, right, that are basically hot and will just bite into anything.
1:59:39
SPEAKER_05: And he produced really good results, you know.
1:59:41
SPEAKER_05: And I'm I would never take that away from him.
1:59:44
SPEAKER_05: But again, in slowing things down, you focus the time more on the things that really matter, and don't focus as much time on stuff that really doesn't, because you know, I know if I'm not standing on my soapbox, but I think I've proven that the method of just doing it with one grit, you know, and doing a little bit of hand polishing back, you get a pretty good result.
2:00:06
SPEAKER_05: Now, is it perfect compared to some other stuff?
2:00:09
SPEAKER_05: Well, maybe not necessarily, but it works for me.
2:00:12
SPEAKER_05: And again, you're an award winner, yeah.
2:00:14
SPEAKER_05: Well, it you you just you're you're you it gives you time to focus on other stuff, um, versus getting hung up on that.
2:00:21
SPEAKER_03: Is also subjective.
2:00:23
SPEAKER_03: I said, I think you just hit the nail on the head, Jody.
2:00:25
SPEAKER_03: It's what works for you, yeah.
2:00:27
SPEAKER_03: And what works for Jason, what works for me.
2:00:30
SPEAKER_03: Yes, I think that's the nail that that the nail that's on the head, yeah.
2:00:33
SPEAKER_05: That's right.
2:00:34
SPEAKER_03: So I had to know I can tell I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, had I done I can't say that because that's not fair, because I didn't do it, so I I can't really say that.
2:00:42
SPEAKER_03: But the process that I used on this modified to the point where I was calling Jason going, because the decals were great decals, but I could see them through the clear coat.
2:00:54
SPEAKER_03: And Jason said, You're at 10,000, stop, just polish it out, right?
2:00:58
SPEAKER_03: Because I could actually see where the decals were like if you held it up to the light and reflected it, they look lifted, right?
2:01:06
SPEAKER_03: And I know there's enough clear coat on there, so Jason's like, stop now and just polish it out and be done with it.
2:01:12
SPEAKER_03: And I did, had I not, you know, it would have it wouldn't, it definitely didn't look as good with the clear coat, just the clear coat.
2:01:19
SPEAKER_03: But so yeah, obviously, like I said, I guess along the short of what I'm trying to say is what works for you is what works for you.
2:01:24
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, yeah.
2:01:25
SPEAKER_11: It but that being said, real quick, there are other things you have to open yourself up to other possibilities of other techniques that will also work for you, right?
2:01:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I agree.
2:01:37
SPEAKER_09: The words right out of my mouth and made it more eloquent because I was gonna say, don't use it works for me, been doing it for 30 years as an excuse for not trying something that will probably work better for you.
2:01:49
SPEAKER_10: Exactly.
2:01:50
SPEAKER_10: And that was the point I was making.
2:01:51
SPEAKER_10: So that only took 23 minutes to get to that point.
2:01:54
SPEAKER_06: Okay, my my question for Jody though was three grand, right?
2:01:58
SPEAKER_06: 3k on a check.
2:02:00
SPEAKER_06: The you also have uh an a uh built-in skill level for modeling, right?
2:02:07
SPEAKER_06: So you're not gonna run into a situation where um you are trying to clean up a body line and you miscued with your scribe or your number 11 or whatever it might be, you know, and put a check in the body or something along those lines.
2:02:22
SPEAKER_06: You're you're you're so we we all are beyond, and here obviously here in this like little podcast grouping of the six of us, but like you know, like you're of the level where you're not gonna be interacting with that stuff.
2:02:35
SPEAKER_06: However, there's gonna definitely be modelers out there that are have a situation like that.
2:02:40
SPEAKER_06: So barring knowledge of filling and doing other bodywork and stuff like that, like the 3k start to finish only has a couple of holes in it just because of that, but it's hyper-specific, I realize.
2:02:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and yeah, I don't know.
2:02:59
SPEAKER_06: All I can say is you're fucking skilled as fuck, bro.
2:03:02
SPEAKER_06: You like more gold out of you know, yeah, I know it's yeah, you know, so I I just wanted to like pull that out there for the listener audience that because, like, you know, it's gonna there are steps, those things that that everybody else has talked about, those grading up, doing the different things to you know to get back to that, as well as improving your modeling skills from muscle memory, etc.
2:03:23
SPEAKER_10: So what we're giving the listener is options that they can track down so we can find the thing that works best for them.
2:03:30
SPEAKER_10: So so yeah, we all have we all have a way of doing it, and I'm I'm looking forward to trying damn near everybody's idea on how to do stuff, yeah.
2:03:38
SPEAKER_10: Uh so so yeah, well said, guys.
2:03:42
SPEAKER_05: We're we're wearing on here, but um quickly, bare metal foil.
2:03:45
SPEAKER_05: We've already talked about this before.
2:03:46
SPEAKER_05: Bare metal foil, yes or no?
2:03:48
SPEAKER_05: BG, no.
2:03:50
SPEAKER_05: You're gonna pick on me with the bare metal foil.
2:03:53
SPEAKER_10: Uh, as a matter of fact, I have tasked myself to do more bare metal foil so I can get better at it rather than just complain about it.
2:04:03
SPEAKER_10: Excellent, Michael.
2:04:05
SPEAKER_03: I love bare metal foil, especially for I put clear coat over it, but I've also used bare metal foil as a tape line to because it's so thin and it sticks so well that I've used it for a tapeline as well.
2:04:16
SPEAKER_03: But yes, love bare metal foil.
2:04:18
SPEAKER_05: Jason Hanskum.
2:04:19
SPEAKER_11: No, not yet, absolutely absolutely hate the process, and I build models to gain enjoyment, not to aggravate myself to the point where I want to curb stomp it.
2:04:30
SPEAKER_11: Um so that might be a process that I stand firm on, Jody, with you and I.
2:04:35
SPEAKER_11: We might bite heads on that forever.
2:04:38
SPEAKER_11: I would rather I would rather do it other ways.
2:04:42
SPEAKER_05: What about you, Justin?
2:04:43
SPEAKER_09: You don't even know what it is.
2:04:45
SPEAKER_09: Look, it's it's an audio podcast, and I'm giving you facial looks.
2:04:49
SPEAKER_09: They were beautiful.
2:04:50
SPEAKER_09: No, no, no, no.
2:04:53
SPEAKER_06: What about you, Brian?
2:04:55
SPEAKER_06: I'm for against it.
2:04:56
SPEAKER_06: No, but for real, I am definitely for against it.
2:04:59
SPEAKER_06: I am devoutly hashtag no stickers club.
2:05:03
SPEAKER_06: Uh, I don't want to put stickers on my models.
2:05:06
SPEAKER_06: I don't care if the stickers are meant for um, you know, doing my ducting in my attic or whatever, um, or whatever.
2:05:14
SPEAKER_06: But um, no, I I am the surface prep paint finish guy.
2:05:20
SPEAKER_06: So I'll I've got a whole bevy of metallic paints over here that I use for my my chromes, my my trims, my bits and bops.
2:05:30
SPEAKER_10: So but you haven't you haven't lived until until you've uh covered an entire P51 Mustang and 48 scale with uh four sheets of bare metal foil.
2:05:40
unknown: Right.
2:05:40
SPEAKER_06: So I'm saying I'm for against that, Peach.
2:05:43
SPEAKER_06: I'm for against all of that, man.
2:05:45
SPEAKER_06: Oh, he called me Peach.
2:05:46
SPEAKER_06: That's that makes me tingle.
2:05:48
SPEAKER_06: Um maybe come I'll take me, baby.
2:05:50
SPEAKER_06: I'm big, I'll pick you up.
2:05:53
SPEAKER_10: But uh okay, hey Chica.
2:05:56
SPEAKER_10: Um but no, I I I I did that.
2:05:59
SPEAKER_10: I did that.
2:06:00
SPEAKER_10: I covered an entire 48-sc51 Mustang and bare metal foil, and then left it in the backseat of my car when I went to work one day.
2:06:06
SPEAKER_10: And when I came back to the car, it looked like you've ever seen the tins of Jiffy Pop when it doesn't go well, yes, yes.
2:06:14
SPEAKER_10: What it looked like.
2:06:15
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's hilarious.
2:06:19
SPEAKER_06: Oh, oh brother, man.
2:06:21
SPEAKER_06: Right.
2:06:22
SPEAKER_05: So we've polished, we bare metal foiled or not.
2:06:25
SPEAKER_05: So let's just go to uh let's go to let's go to final assembly.
2:06:29
SPEAKER_05: What are we what are we using for um people like us talking about adhesives?
2:06:34
SPEAKER_05: So canopy glue for windows, right?
2:06:38
SPEAKER_05: Of varying degrees, um super glue of varying degrees for final assembly.
2:06:44
SPEAKER_05: What what what are we using?
2:06:45
SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna jump right in there, and sometimes I use double stick tape to put windows in.
2:06:50
SPEAKER_10: Interesting.
2:06:51
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, you want to talk about stickers?
2:06:54
SPEAKER_10: That's the epitome of it right there.
2:06:55
SPEAKER_10: Interesting.
2:06:56
SPEAKER_10: Wow, that's a difference.
2:06:58
SPEAKER_10: Here comes Brian.
2:07:01
SPEAKER_06: Okay, double stick tape.
2:07:03
SPEAKER_11: That might no, it is, it's different.
2:07:05
SPEAKER_06: So I I have um archival mounting tape from when I was uh spent time as a frame when I framed artwork for a living.
2:07:13
SPEAKER_06: I did this, I did a lot of things, I did all the things to learn very few things very well, anyways.
2:07:19
SPEAKER_06: Um like the Bruce Wayne of model building.
2:07:22
SPEAKER_06: No, they call me the the Pete Kulos calls me the Renaissance man.
2:07:26
SPEAKER_06: And you know, it is what it is, yeah.
2:07:28
SPEAKER_06: It is what it is, anyways.
2:07:29
SPEAKER_06: Um, but yeah, so this that that mounting tape has almost no surface, it's just the stick, right?
2:07:35
SPEAKER_02: It's just stick and so I just smell I love stick.
2:07:42
SPEAKER_05: I mean, if it's only stick, I mean I guess you could run with it, so yeah, yeah.
2:07:47
SPEAKER_10: The uh I actually had the uh windows in my GTA oh my for four months, six months, and they were I had to pry those buggers out.
2:07:58
SPEAKER_10: Oh wow, yeah, yeah.
2:08:01
SPEAKER_05: Uh so other than that, canopy glue of certain certain varying rights.
2:08:07
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah, yeah.
2:08:09
SPEAKER_05: Does anybody use this?
2:08:13
SPEAKER_06: I fucked that.
2:08:14
SPEAKER_06: No.
2:08:14
SPEAKER_05: What's what's this stuff?
2:08:15
SPEAKER_05: Mod Podge.
2:08:16
SPEAKER_05: I know people use that.
2:08:17
SPEAKER_05: Anybody use that?
2:08:18
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
2:08:18
SPEAKER_06: There are different surface textures of Mod Podge.
2:08:21
SPEAKER_06: What do you gotta say, BG?
2:08:23
SPEAKER_06: I said no.
2:08:24
SPEAKER_06: No, you said no to Mod Podge?
2:08:26
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, me neither.
2:08:27
SPEAKER_10: I've I haven't used it.
2:08:28
SPEAKER_10: I haven't used it.
2:08:29
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I haven't used it either.
2:08:31
SPEAKER_06: You haven't either.
2:08:32
SPEAKER_06: Oh, dude, it's just uh like PVA glue, it's just basically white glue, but it's like uh conditioned.
2:08:37
SPEAKER_09: It's also got an acrylic gel medium in it.
2:08:40
SPEAKER_06: Right, exactly.
2:08:41
SPEAKER_06: So, like my golden gel means like gel mediums and stuff that I have down here, like in the bottom of my shit here, because I you know I do all the things.
2:08:48
SPEAKER_06: Uh they help.
2:08:51
SPEAKER_06: It's a binder and it's an extender, right?
2:08:55
SPEAKER_11: Oh no, kidding.
2:08:57
SPEAKER_11: Heather left some Modge Podge on my desk.
2:08:59
SPEAKER_11: She was in here the other day, and sure enough, it says water-based glue, sealer, and finish.
2:09:05
SPEAKER_06: No kidding.
2:09:06
SPEAKER_06: Yes, it depends on the so I I got some that's matte finish to use for my model building spill specifically.
2:09:13
SPEAKER_06: They have semi-mat, they have gloss, this and that, and the other.
2:09:16
SPEAKER_06: I want to use it for where my canopy glue from Evergreen that I've been using forever for my canopies, like as a replacement to that, is because it's like it's got a better flow to it, uh, it's easier to spread, it cleans up better off the brush, um, than like a regular like Elmer's glue or a white glue or a PVA glue.
2:09:35
SPEAKER_06: Those are all the same thing.
2:09:36
SPEAKER_06: Um, basically, you know.
2:09:38
SPEAKER_06: Look at that.
2:09:39
SPEAKER_06: Also barge.
2:09:40
SPEAKER_06: So if you do like cosplay stuff and you're building stuff out of like um foam yoga mats and shit, you'll you'll paint barge on it, and that's the same kind of thing.
2:09:49
SPEAKER_06: To it's a contact adhesive, right?
2:09:52
SPEAKER_09: That's what I was gonna say, Brian.
2:09:54
SPEAKER_09: Is what I don't use it for canopies or or gluing clear parts, or I actually use it for when I'm creating a base for tank, airplane, whatever, out of the insulation expanded polystyrene or extruder.
2:10:09
SPEAKER_09: I can never remember which one that is.
2:10:11
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, but I use that to seal the the the foam so that absolutely my succeeding, succeeding, my my afterlayers do not do anything, don't don't have any bad effects on the foam itself.
2:10:28
SPEAKER_09: I seal basically seal the foam using Mod Podge.
2:10:31
SPEAKER_09: I'll typically mix it with some uh some paint, some craft paint or uh Valleo type paint, mix it in there to give it a little color.
2:10:39
SPEAKER_06: Mix all right, mix all is a universal dye you can get all over the place or writ writ dye.
2:10:44
SPEAKER_06: Same thing if you've ever dyed any clothes on the of us of that tie-dye back in the day.
2:10:49
SPEAKER_06: Um I will say, Justin, did I give you any of my chorophone offcuts?
2:10:55
SPEAKER_06: The that high density machining foam, machinist foam?
2:10:58
SPEAKER_06: No, I don't think you did.
2:10:59
SPEAKER_06: I think we talked about it, but I don't know if I ever got any of your.
2:11:01
SPEAKER_06: I did, and I fucking didn't do it, did I?
2:11:03
SPEAKER_06: All right, so I'm gonna bring some to you.
2:11:05
SPEAKER_06: No, I'm judging myself.
2:11:07
SPEAKER_06: This is how we do modeling, we judge ourselves.
2:11:09
SPEAKER_06: So I'm judging myself, and I'm gonna bring you some off cuts when I come down.
2:11:13
SPEAKER_06: I'm bringing a little package for Derigatis as well.
2:11:15
SPEAKER_06: I'm bringing a little package for you too to give you that opportunity to deal with this higher-end machinist foam.
2:11:22
SPEAKER_06: It's called Coropoam, it's uh it's it's a high-density machinist foam.
2:11:26
SPEAKER_06: There's several different like levels of it.
2:11:27
SPEAKER_06: There, well, three different levels of it.
2:11:29
SPEAKER_06: There's like a pink version, uh, beige version, and a green version.
2:11:33
SPEAKER_06: The green version is called UHF 115 or something like that.
2:11:37
SPEAKER_06: It's like uh thank you.
2:11:40
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, this foam is fantastic.
2:11:42
SPEAKER_06: I use it to carve rocks and stuff like that out if I use it on my grounds.
2:11:45
SPEAKER_06: So I want to give you some of that, Justin.
2:11:47
SPEAKER_06: I've meant to, and I'm sorry that I haven't given it to you yet.
2:11:49
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, it's all right, it's all right as much as look.
2:11:51
SPEAKER_05: I've been a little preoccupied this first quarter of the year.
2:11:54
SPEAKER_05: Right.
2:11:54
SPEAKER_05: What's everybody using for super glue?
2:11:56
SPEAKER_05: So I use the super gold plus because this is non.
2:12:00
SPEAKER_05: Fogging for windows.
2:12:02
SPEAKER_05: You gotta be careful with super glue because if you glue stuff together and it's not this, it will fog windows.
2:12:09
SPEAKER_09: So well if you allow the fumes to not be able to be extricated from what you're gluing.
2:12:17
SPEAKER_09: Right.
2:12:18
unknown: Yeah.
2:12:18
SPEAKER_09: So if you can if you're gluing something, you can put a little fan in the vicinity that will blow the fumes out, it will not fog.
2:12:26
SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
2:12:27
SPEAKER_09: Or if you dip it or paint it or coat it with future floor polish, it will also seal your clear parts so they they do not fog with super glue.
2:12:39
SPEAKER_06: Okay, interior fog because I was a rush in a rush, and I used a drop of super glue instead of the fucking canopy for the front.
2:12:49
SPEAKER_06: And yeah, SOL.
2:12:51
SPEAKER_11: All that work.
2:12:52
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, exactly.
2:12:54
SPEAKER_11: I try not to use anything like super CA glue related very sparingly on Final Assembly, because that's exactly what happens.
2:13:03
SPEAKER_11: It gets trapped in there and it fogs.
2:13:05
SPEAKER_11: It'll fog the paint, it'll fog the glass, it'll fog everything.
2:13:09
SPEAKER_11: That being said, I'm cheap, and uh I use the extreme power CA glue from Hobby Lobby.
2:13:17
SPEAKER_05: The extra thick.
2:13:18
SPEAKER_11: The extra thick.
2:13:19
SPEAKER_11: Because you can put a dab of it on the end of a Q-tip or a metal pick, as it turns out, and it hang and it hangs there.
2:13:28
SPEAKER_11: It sticks there and it stays where you on that until you put it where you want it.
2:13:32
SPEAKER_11: So that's right.
2:13:33
SPEAKER_11: Like a booger.
2:13:34
SPEAKER_11: Like a booger.
2:13:35
SPEAKER_11: Wow.
2:13:36
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, but I won't so I I mean if I have to super glue something on the or C A glue, super glue, something on the interior tub of the model, then it's like a minimum of a day or two before I'm final assembling that thing.
2:13:50
SPEAKER_11: Because you gotta let it out, right?
2:13:54
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, yeah.
2:13:55
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, exactly.
2:13:56
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
2:13:57
SPEAKER_10: So I'm I use MaxiCure by Bob Smith Industries.
2:14:01
SPEAKER_10: Um pick your sticker.
2:14:03
SPEAKER_10: I have one from Iceman.
2:14:04
SPEAKER_10: I also have one with Andy's name on it.
2:14:06
SPEAKER_10: It's the same bloody stuff.
2:14:07
SPEAKER_10: But the thing is, uh if for using Photo Watch and stuff, that there you go.
2:14:11
SPEAKER_10: Uh Brian showed one of the camera also.
2:14:13
SPEAKER_10: Um, but I use it for photo watch adhesion, and I want the thicker stuff because it has a better uh strength rather than the thin stuff.
2:14:21
SPEAKER_06: And the thin stuff also seems like it bro, it flows if shit runs like crazy, it is just like and it's gone.
2:14:30
SPEAKER_06: It's gone.
2:14:31
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like kicked off like crazy fast.
2:14:33
SPEAKER_06: I haven't had it as well from Zap and from Bob Smith.
2:14:37
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, this stuff will run down your arm like pizza grease, you know.
2:14:39
SPEAKER_10: And it's just like, oh crap, I've glued my sleeve to my arm.
2:14:43
SPEAKER_06: I used my insecure to glue the my fingertip earlier together today.
2:14:47
SPEAKER_06: I glued that together there.
2:14:49
SPEAKER_06: Excellent.
2:14:50
SPEAKER_06: Nice.
2:14:51
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, nice.
2:14:51
SPEAKER_06: I always that's mostly what I use my Bob Smith for is I glue my wounds together because um it's better than stitches and cheaper by far than going to the hospital.
2:15:04
SPEAKER_06: Just don't hit it with accelerator.
2:15:07
SPEAKER_06: Oh no, well, and I have, which is dumb, but I and that's been a while, but it was because it was like a big it was like a big palm wound, right?
2:15:15
SPEAKER_06: And I really needed to like it was a time sensitive thing.
2:15:18
SPEAKER_06: Like, how long am I gonna be able to like hold my hand in this weird situation?
2:15:22
SPEAKER_06: So I just hit it with a little zappa zappa kick.
2:15:26
SPEAKER_08: And uh just gotta watch out for chemical birds.
2:15:30
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I know it does, it has a lot.
2:15:32
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I bet that was spicy, yeah.
2:15:34
SPEAKER_10: Always spicy, they're always spicy.
2:15:36
SPEAKER_06: Sorry, so our fingers are weird and they like sag in weird directions and shit.
2:15:41
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's Brian.
2:15:44
SPEAKER_10: You'll know him at the show with the saggy fingers going in different directions.
2:15:48
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, hot dog fingers.
2:15:52
SPEAKER_06: Oh, dude, what is that guy's name?
2:15:54
SPEAKER_06: Dude, what was that viral shit from YouTube from back in the day?
2:15:58
SPEAKER_06: Oh, salad fingers, right?
2:16:00
SPEAKER_06: Salad fingers.
2:16:02
SPEAKER_10: Oh my god.
2:16:03
SPEAKER_10: Oh, that's a whole other podcast.
2:16:05
SPEAKER_05: That's right.
2:16:05
SPEAKER_05: Yes, sir.
2:16:06
SPEAKER_05: I guess that's it.
2:16:07
SPEAKER_05: I think we've talked through the build, you know.
2:16:10
SPEAKER_05: We I think we introduced people to some different adhesives.
2:16:14
SPEAKER_05: We talked about different fillers and putties, we talked about wet sanding, polishing process, um, you know, different adhesives.
2:16:22
SPEAKER_05: You know, we all kind of use similar things, different brands, but universally we're all kind of doing the same thing, you know.
2:16:29
SPEAKER_05: So and it it crosses across, you know, military, planes, and all the other stuff, you know.
2:16:35
SPEAKER_05: I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:16:36
SPEAKER_05: Um, I the the bobbed stuff, the super gold plus is really good.
2:16:40
SPEAKER_05: It's a little bit expensive, but it doesn't really fog.
2:16:43
SPEAKER_05: But you're right, it dries slower, too.
2:16:45
SPEAKER_05: Right?
2:16:46
SPEAKER_05: You you pay for what you get, right, Jody?
2:16:48
SPEAKER_05: Like it's worth every penny.
2:16:50
SPEAKER_05: You pay for what you get for that.
2:16:53
SPEAKER_05: It takes it takes longer to cure, so you gotta be careful with that.
2:16:56
SPEAKER_05: The Dreddic glue, you know, fingerprint glue mark on the model always sucks, you know.
2:17:02
SPEAKER_10: But um that's my signature move, dude.
2:17:04
SPEAKER_10: Is that that's my signature?
2:17:07
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, thumbprint.
2:17:09
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
2:17:10
SPEAKER_05: This model's perfect, yeah.
2:17:12
SPEAKER_05: And then you go back and there you go.
2:17:14
SPEAKER_11: Oh, so not to bring it up, but it might be kind of still a touchy subject, but you had actually had that happen to you this week, Jody.
2:17:22
SPEAKER_11: Didn't you did you not?
2:17:23
SPEAKER_05: I did, yeah, yeah.
2:17:25
SPEAKER_05: I was uh cleaning a model to bring to the show over the weekend, and I just cleaned it up, and I went to glue a mirror back on, and when I dipped into the Bob Smith Gold Plus, I pulled it out, and it wasn't stringy, but it like pulled out and got all over the car.
2:17:43
SPEAKER_05: Man, did it make a mess?
2:17:44
SPEAKER_10: Oh no.
2:17:46
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I've had that happen.
2:17:47
SPEAKER_10: Like like Spider-Man sneezed on the car.
2:17:49
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
2:17:50
SPEAKER_05: Exactly what it did.
2:17:51
SPEAKER_05: I was like, son of a bitch.
2:17:53
SPEAKER_05: That thing's back in the case to never leave again.
2:17:55
SPEAKER_06: Yep.
2:17:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you gotta be careful.
2:17:57
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
2:17:58
SPEAKER_06: I had one.
2:17:58
SPEAKER_06: Um, I I was doing this resin model from Calamity Lucas Empiolo over in Italy.
2:18:03
SPEAKER_06: Uh it's a big you guys saw it.
2:18:05
SPEAKER_06: Uh Jason, you saw it.
2:18:06
SPEAKER_06: Uh at uh and Jody, you saw it too at PACCON.
2:18:09
SPEAKER_06: Uh the regal, the big thing, right?
2:18:11
SPEAKER_06: So when I when I I went through hours and hours and hours of recorrecting, the mold was crooked, so I it was but it's solid resin, right?
2:18:20
SPEAKER_06: So I had to like boil it and then heat it with the hair gun, like a hair oh my god, guys.
2:18:26
SPEAKER_06: Help me.
2:18:26
SPEAKER_06: Hairdryer, hair dryer.
2:18:29
SPEAKER_06: Fuck thank you.
2:18:30
SPEAKER_06: Yes, that's what I'm saying.
2:18:31
SPEAKER_06: Like brain farts, Jesus.
2:18:33
SPEAKER_06: The secret word is hair dryer.
2:18:35
SPEAKER_06: This this scream real loud.
2:18:38
SPEAKER_06: Um no, but yeah, so hair dryer, uh boiling it in water and like recorrecting with clamps and like torquing it back into shape to make the model the model fit together.
2:18:47
SPEAKER_06: And after all this business, like getting into the now now.
2:18:52
SPEAKER_06: I lost myself because I was thinking about hair dryers.
2:18:54
SPEAKER_06: What the fuck are we talking about?
2:18:57
SPEAKER_06: Holy shit, the day is wearing on.
2:18:59
SPEAKER_06: Right, you're running out of steam, my man.
2:19:02
SPEAKER_05: I've been up since six.
2:19:04
SPEAKER_05: Okay, and we're at 4 30.
2:19:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, exactly.
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2:20:10
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2:20:16
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2:20:51
SPEAKER_10: We're gonna do a round of thank yous and goodbyes.
2:20:53
SPEAKER_10: Unfortunately, Mr.
2:20:54
SPEAKER_10: Mikey had to step away for a little bit, so he is not with us right now.
2:20:57
SPEAKER_10: Uh, something about a microwave upside the head.
2:21:01
SPEAKER_10: So your imagination can go wild with that.
2:21:04
SPEAKER_10: Uh, but we're gonna start off with Jason.
2:21:06
SPEAKER_10: Lead us in the goodbyes, please.
2:21:08
SPEAKER_11: All right, guys.
2:21:08
SPEAKER_11: This was a fantastic episode.
2:21:10
SPEAKER_11: I had a lot of fun.
2:21:11
SPEAKER_11: Thank you for tuning in and listening once again.
2:21:13
SPEAKER_11: Uh you won't see me, and I won't see you, but we'll talk on the next one.
2:21:18
SPEAKER_10: Alrighty, Jody, how about you, sir?
2:21:20
SPEAKER_05: Uh thanks for uh thanks for listening, everybody.
2:21:22
SPEAKER_05: It's always a good time hanging out and talking models and everything else that came up this evening.
2:21:27
SPEAKER_05: Uh uh, you can see me over there on the Sunday live build show from four to six with uh all my buddies here, and um you can find me over on Instagram at VWJody if you choose to find me over there.
2:21:41
SPEAKER_05: Very good.
2:21:42
SPEAKER_09: Uh Justin.
2:21:43
SPEAKER_09: You can find me at Ryan's Random Model Works on Facebook, on Instagram.
2:21:48
SPEAKER_09: I'm also just plain old Justin Ryan on Facebook and on Instagram.
2:21:52
SPEAKER_09: You can also find me hanging out in the model car mania discord, the modeling insanity discord.
2:21:58
SPEAKER_09: Not so much right now.
2:21:59
SPEAKER_09: I'm kind of in a hermit mode phase, but I am getting back to it.
2:22:03
SPEAKER_09: Uh, you can also see my posts on both of those Facebook pages.
2:22:08
SPEAKER_10: Alrighty, thank you, Justin.
2:22:09
SPEAKER_10: And our special guest, Brian.
2:22:12
SPEAKER_09: Hi, everybody.
2:22:14
SPEAKER_09: Hey, Dr.
2:22:15
unknown: Bro!
2:22:16
SPEAKER_06: Uh, what's going on?
2:22:17
SPEAKER_06: You guys can find me on Instagram at um bro underscore builder.
2:22:22
SPEAKER_06: You can find me on the Built Sideways podcast where I uh hang out with those other weirdos and talk weird things like these weirdos.
2:22:30
SPEAKER_06: We talk weird things.
2:22:31
SPEAKER_06: It's good, it's good for your soul.
2:22:34
SPEAKER_06: Um, and you can uh I'm on Facebook under my name, uh Brian Dan Cloud.
2:22:39
SPEAKER_06: Um Brian Den Clau.
2:22:41
SPEAKER_06: And uh yeah, uh I'm really personable, even though I seem weird and I like I I I know a lot of things, so don't get me wrong if I come across as being kind of pretentious.
2:22:52
SPEAKER_06: It's not because I'm a dick, I'm just a dick.
2:22:57
SPEAKER_06: So appreciate you.
2:22:58
SPEAKER_09: You can be pretentious, AF, but not in a bad way.
2:23:04
SPEAKER_09: Amen, brother.
2:23:05
SPEAKER_10: And now I'll say goodbye.
2:23:08
SPEAKER_10: All right, so this is Mr.
2:23:09
SPEAKER_10: BG saying thank you to the listeners.
2:23:11
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2:23:13
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2:23:15
SPEAKER_10: Thank you to our listener, Mike, for sending in uh the email.
2:23:20
SPEAKER_10: Appreciate that very much, Mike.
2:23:21
SPEAKER_10: Uh, you get a gold star.
2:23:23
SPEAKER_10: And we want to say thank you to Iceman Collections, VCG Resons by Reeze, MCV Model Car Parts, and Auto Modeler Magazine for all being friends of the podcast.
2:23:32
SPEAKER_10: And final thoughts.
2:23:33
SPEAKER_10: Try not to be discouraged about group builds or build challenges.
2:23:36
SPEAKER_10: They are here to help inspire us to get back to the bench and build a model.
2:23:40
SPEAKER_10: Sometimes they can even help us consider building something outside of our comfort zone.
2:23:45
SPEAKER_10: Y'all take it easy, and we'll uh talk to you in the next one.
2:23:48
SPEAKER_10: Bye now.
2:23:54
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2:24:59
SPEAKER_11: So I get I get it.
2:25:00
SPEAKER_11: It's like how we pick on Mikey, except for he's not ridiculously talented or handsome.
2:25:05
SPEAKER_10: Or funny.
2:25:07
SPEAKER_10: Hey, you know, you know, in Mike's in Mike's Mike's defense, he's a good looking guy from where he comes from.
2:25:13
SPEAKER_10: Best looking guy in the trailer park, bitches.
2:25:17
SPEAKER_09: Speaking of accents, I always wanted to develop that uh 20s, 30s quote unquote North American accent.
2:25:25
SPEAKER_09: Oh, the North Atlantic with the radios and TV, the uh the actors would all that I always wanted to talk like that.
2:25:33
SPEAKER_10: See if this works, see if this works.
2:25:36
SPEAKER_10: Oh ladies and gentlemen, this is Brian coming to you from WKRP and Cincinnati.
2:25:40
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's close.
2:25:41
SPEAKER_10: Up close to it.
2:25:42
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's yeah, nice WKRP reference.
2:25:45
SPEAKER_10: Now that now that Jody's gone, let's get started.
2:25:51
SPEAKER_10: Um I might still be in a coma.
2:25:54
SPEAKER_10: This could just be a fever dream of some sort.
2:25:58
SPEAKER_10: Yes, yes, he's hoping.
2:26:01
SPEAKER_10: He's hoping.
2:26:02
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
2:26:04
SPEAKER_09: Thank you so much, uh beverages.
2:26:09
SPEAKER_09: Of beverages.
2:26:10
SPEAKER_10: All right, let me just write this down.
2:26:11
SPEAKER_10: 12740.
2:26:12
SPEAKER_10: Cut Justin out completely.
2:26:18
SPEAKER_06: Man, I've been working since I was 13.
2:26:20
SPEAKER_06: I am a fucking half broken man.
2:26:22
SPEAKER_06: The only thing that keeps me going is spite.
2:26:24
SPEAKER_06: So spite.
2:26:26
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
2:26:27
SPEAKER_10: I thought you were gonna say Advil or someone spite.
2:26:30
SPEAKER_10: Oh two brute.
2:26:31
SPEAKER_10: I used to use that clone when I was in high school.
2:26:35
SPEAKER_06: Jesus Christ.
2:26:36
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
2:26:37
SPEAKER_06: Every year for Christmas, I would get a little bottle of brute.
2:26:40
SPEAKER_06: It looked like a little fucking like green, it's a little green bottle with a long fucking neck, a rock brute for the longest fucking time.
2:26:46
SPEAKER_06: And then Dracar, because Dracar was all the fucking green dracar, but and then somebody invented axe and just fucked everything up.
2:26:55
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
2:26:56
SPEAKER_10: And they they want to know why the birth rates lower these days.
2:26:58
SPEAKER_10: I'm like, it's because of fucking axe, that's why.
2:27:01
SPEAKER_10: Jesus.
2:27:03
SPEAKER_10: Oh wow.
2:27:04
SPEAKER_10: I fucking love that.
2:27:06
SPEAKER_10: Welcome back, folks.
2:27:08
SPEAKER_10: That was a long break.
2:27:10
SPEAKER_10: Sorry for how long my grandpa Simpson.
2:27:14
SPEAKER_10: I like how I said we're all doing a good job with the podcast.
2:27:16
SPEAKER_10: I'm like, not this one.
2:27:20
SPEAKER_09: You're reading my Facebook picture.
2:27:22
SPEAKER_09: That's only because we have a spectacular editor, and it makes it sound like we're all freaking award-winning Pulitzer Prizers.
2:27:31
SPEAKER_09: That's called a Life Preserver, Brian.
2:27:33
SPEAKER_09: Here you go.
2:27:33
SPEAKER_09: Have one.
2:27:34
SPEAKER_09: Thank God.
2:27:35
SPEAKER_06: So boys, what what what wait, where where how did I get there?
2:27:39
SPEAKER_06: Talking about Regal Resin.
2:27:44
SPEAKER_06: Changing things.
2:27:46
SPEAKER_11: I personally think that this kind of conversation makes a fantastic podcast.
2:27:52
SPEAKER_11: And yes, I think it I think this is probably going to be one of the best ones we've recorded.
2:27:57
SPEAKER_11: So don't sweat it at all, dude.
2:28:00
SPEAKER_11: This is this was a lot of fun.
2:28:02
SPEAKER_11: This was a lot of fun.
2:28:03
SPEAKER_10: Thank you, Jason.
2:28:03
SPEAKER_10: I appreciate it.
2:28:04
SPEAKER_10: I'll take this three hours and 30 minute long podcast and wheel it down to a solid 26 minutes of good content.
2:28:10
SPEAKER_10: There you go.