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Do No Harm · UK Column Radio

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  Hello everyone and a warm welcome to UK Column.
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  I'm Liz Evans and I'm delighted to be joined today by a good
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  friend of UK Column who I am proud to call a friend to.
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  Doctor David Cartland is here to discuss his new book Do No Harm
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  Diaries of a Vaccinated Anti Vaxxer and just show you my copy
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  and to catch up with what's been happening in his life since he
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  last spoke to us in 2023. So I'm sure that Doctor Cartland
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  is well known to most of our audience.
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  But in case you don't know him, David was until recently a
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  highly experienced General practitioner GP in Cornwall.
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  He is eminently qualified in both science and medicine.
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  His first degree was in Biomedical Science, studying
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  immunology, virology, microbiology and medical
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  statistics and passing with first class honours.
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  He then went on to Birmingham Medical School qualifying as a
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  doctor in 2008 and has an also has an MSC in Medical Research
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  now. David has been a hero and
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  inspiration to so many of us with his selfless and courageous
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  whistleblowing from 2021 about serious side effects from the
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  COVID jabs that he was witnessing on the frontline as
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  AGP and an A&E. And in putting his head above
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  the parapet to speak truth to power, calling out corruption
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  and challenging the official COVID narrative at great cost.
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  He is truly the epitome of what it means to be a compassionate
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  and ethical Dr., risking and ultimately losing his career to
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  uphold his Hippocratic Oath to do no harm, putting his patients
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  interests and safety above his own and refusing to stay silent
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  despite ruthless persecution which tragically led to David
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  being struck off the medical register earlier this year.
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  Now UK column interviewed Dr. Cartland in February 2022 and
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  July 2023 and I'm going to put the links to these two
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  interviews in the show notes. So do listen to these or read
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  the first half of David's book to hear the story of the first
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  two to three years of his COVID fight and I'm sure we will touch
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  on that in the next hour or so. But a lot has happened since
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  then, which I really want to focus on in our conversation
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  today. So without further ado, thank
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  you very much for joining us. David, welcome.
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  Thanks for having me, Liz. It's a pleasure, as always, to
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  speak on the UK column. Yeah, I've probably aged a
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  little bit since we last spoke. I.
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  Think you're looking remarkably well?
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  So I'm going to start by talking about how you describe in your
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  book how becoming a doctor was your life's dream and at your
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  degree ceremony, how you stood proudly and recited the
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  Hippocratic Oath. And throughout your book, your
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  ethical conviction shines through alongside your disgust
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  at your colleagues failure to uphold informed consent and
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  their lack of courage to raise patient concerns.
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  During the COVID era. You were truly a voice crying in
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  the wilderness and no one was listening.
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  So my first question is, why are medical ethics so important to
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  you? And why do you think most of the
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  medical profession failed to uphold them during COVID and
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  just follow the narrative? No, it's a great question and
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  it's central really to my standards.
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  You mentioned in the book it's, you know, it's the centre of all
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  that we do, you know, every patient we see, you know, every
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  consult we conduct, You know, the centrepiece of it is medical
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  ethics, whether that is, you know, particularly around
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  informed consent was the focus for the COVID vaccine rollout
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  and we just simply weren't getting informed consent.
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  That was it at the end of story. No information was exchanged.
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  And the doctors pressing the plunger weren't even aware of
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  what they were pressing into the patient or where it went and for
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  how long. So, you know, just on every
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  corner there was an ethical breach really.
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  And, and also when there's coercion to do something,
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  coercion invalidates consent because there's been a, a
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  variable that kind of pressurises you, such as travel
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  or work, etcetera. And yeah, it's, it's a really
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  important tenant of what we do. And a lot of what I did in my
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  first degree was around medical ethics.
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  You know, if you've got no ethics as a doctor, you may as
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  well not bother getting out of bed in the morning.
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  Really. Yeah, I mean, it's such a
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  privilege, isn't it, to be a doctor and you have such a
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  position of power in that situation because the patient is
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  vulnerable, they're coming to you, you've got more knowledge
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  than them, you've got access to all these drugs and
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  interventions. And if we don't have medical
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  ethics that you're going to end up with abuse and atrocities
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  happening. I mean, that's what I've always
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  said. It's like that is the essential
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  framework within which a doctor patient consultation can happen
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  safely. And so were you surprised at the
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  lack of moral or ethical conviction of your colleagues?
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  Yeah, I kind of look in retrospect at the behaviour of
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  the, the mass of colleagues really, because you know, it
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  would have only took about, you know, I've always said 2 or 300
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  doctors doing what I've done just to step up to the plate.
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  And there's a, there's thing called the Bolan principle,
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  isn't there? As long as there's a responsible
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  body of medical opinion that agrees, then then you're you're
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  obviously not in the wilderness completely.
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  But yeah, it did surprise me. But at the same time, you know,
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  they've kept doctors busy. They've kept doctors flat out,
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  you know, running on fumes really for the last 10 years,
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  really, my whole career has really been a bad patch for
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  primary care, really. And, you know, easy pickings
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  really, because, you know, everyone was subject to the same
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  propaganda. You know, we saw the fear porn,
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  as we call it, the fear porn that was used the, the psyops
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  military grade really at times, wasn't it?
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  And you know, it duped many people more so the academics
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  really. But you know, at the same time,
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  they have to follow the orders, they have to follow guidance.
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  That's the another talent of medical practice.
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  You know, the it's guideline based.
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  And that's very different from my first degree.
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  I spoke about that a lot that my first degree taught me to
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  critically think critically, appraise, question everything,
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  look for conflicts of interest, look at the financial backing
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  behind papers. You know, papers can sometimes
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  contradict the body of the text in their conclusions.
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  We've seen that recently with a lot of the sort of vaccine harm
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  stuff. So, yeah, I mean, I'm
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  disappointed because, you know, all of the people that I've
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  spoken out have been picked off 1 by 1 and I can't explain it.
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  It's not been a pleasurable experience.
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  I often get asked you wish you kept your mouth shut.
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  Some days I feel like a deer I should have done.
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  But other times I think I think about locking my grandkids in
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  the eyelids, if I'm honest, and them asking me, Granddad, what
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  did you do to stop this, whatever this ends up being?
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  You know, what did you do to stop it?
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  And, you know, I've, I've put my head above the parapet, as you
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  say, and, you know, lost my career for it.
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  But, you know, it's, it's kind of meant to be, I think.
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  I don't think I could have gone back to NHS practice really,
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  given some of the antics in the last five years and had a little
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  stint back in general practice just before I was ruled to be a
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  danger to the public and bringing the profession into
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  disrepute. And it just wasn't fun.
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  I became a, you know, a pill pusher again very quickly, you
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  know, 10 minute processing of a patient, you know, they've
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  waited weeks and weeks to see you and, you know, a multitude
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  of problems that I just couldn't even scratch the surface of.
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  So yeah, I'm glad I'm kind of in a new kind of new version of
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  myself really as a health coach now and reinventing myself and
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  better off out. To be honest, there's a lot of
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  things that I don't like about medicine.
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  Looking back, really the culture, we've seen it with the
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  COVID era. I've seen it through my career
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  where you whistleblow. You don't whistleblow for the
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  full of it. You whistleblow because you've
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  got genuinely held concern about, it's an issue around the
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  practice, usually safety concern.
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  But I mean, they've, they've, they've kind of rebranded it now
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  to freedom to speak up guardianship, aren't they?
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  And kind of like a rebrand. But when you speak up, you're
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  not free because you may as well pick up your P-45 on the way out
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  of the building. That's how it's turned out to
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  be. And you kind of get made to feel
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  the troublemaker just for having the stuff patient safety at the
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  centre of all that you do. And a bit of a sort of yeah,
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  like a rebel rouser really. If you do raise concerns with
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  management, then there is a culture of cover up in the NHS
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  that's that's clear and a culture of bullying.
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  And, you know, most of my GMC complaints came from either
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  anonymous trolls, which I know we're going to talk about, or
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  usually snitches from the medical profession.
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  And, you know, the GMC protect the names and the identities of
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  these people. I had about 250 reports, I think
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  in the end and it was just doctors can't spreading
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  misinformation. That was the bulk of it.
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  There was never any qualification as to what
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  misinformation. There was never any offer of
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  debate. I've never had any debate, I
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  don't think in the whole five years really.
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  And there was never any rebuttal data.
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  You know, if they've can't be spreading misinformation like
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  it's unsafe in pregnancy, well, show me the safety data in
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  pregnancy. And then that's how you get get
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  people to be, you know, accept its debate.
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  It's what we used to do at the beginning of my career.
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  And then the COVID era happened and debate went out of the out
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  of the out of the picture. It was just suddenly on mass, no
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  discussion. It's safe and effective.
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  If you speak out, you Wakefield it as I call it.
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  Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's interesting,
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  though, now looking back, I think when we came into COVID,
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  we already had very ethical, shaky ethical foundations.
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  I think you're right. The more we've turned to
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  guidelines and protocols, the more we've started to dismantle
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  ethical medicine over probably the last 20 or 30 years.
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  And as you say that this is very well documented, even before
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  COVID, how whistleblowers are treated so badly in the NHS, You
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  know, they're encouraged to come forward.
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  And then they, you know, there was a big Telegraph
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  investigation fairly recently showing that they're harassed,
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  they're bullied, they're reported to, you know, their
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  line managers, they're reported to their regulatory agencies.
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  And, you know, given a really hard time, which you know,
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  suggests that we've gone so far away from I, I think when you
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  and I both, well, I, I trained in the 90s and I think it was a
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  totally different ball game then medicine.
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  So I think this probably couldn't have happened 50 years
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  ago. Do you agree?
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  Do you think that they couldn't have pulled this off in the sort
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  of old culture where doctors had real autonomy and they were
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  respected and they were able to operate it with their clinical
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  judgement? They weren't following protocols
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  and you know, privacy, confidentiality, your doctor
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  patient relationship was privileged.
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  You know, you couldn't just share information.
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  So there was all of that going on.
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  What What are your thoughts on that?
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  I think my career has kind of spun that era as well where you
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  know, the good, good old fashioned, you know, old school
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  GPS, for example, you know, and, and, and risk takers, like you
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  say, it wasn't as focused on guidance or pharmaceuticals.
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  I know now even just towards the back end of my career, we, we
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  know in all of the chronic disease management, nice
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  guidance, for example, there's always that section before you
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  go onto drugs, you go for intense lifestyle management.
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  And they sort of skip over that now because again, we, we, we
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  financial benefits, to be honest with you.
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  I mean, GPS get paid because they satisfy their quaff
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  registers and get everyone who's got blood pressure issues under
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  a certain cut off, everyone's cholesterol under a certain cut
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  off. And we've seen the medical
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  curriculum change as well. And I saw that in the difference
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  between the two degrees that, as I mentioned, it taught me
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  critical thinking. It underpinned a lot of the
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  medical curriculum with the science and the root cause.
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  You know, a lot of what we do in medicine is just sticking
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  plasters, really. Patient comes in, they've got
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  hyponatremia, you correct it and you boot them out.
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  You don't ask yourself, well, why is that person got low
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  sodium, for example? You just correct the
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  correctables and off you trot. And again, that's that culture
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  about, you know, overrun hospitals over, there's too many
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  patients, not enough doctors, and everyone's running around on
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  fumes. As I mentioned, morale is low
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  and I think that's changed. I've felt the the morale shift
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  in the sort of latter five years.
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  Everyone's just flogging themselves day in, day out.
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  Yeah, I remember back to my sort of junior year.
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  So we're really good old school doctors.
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  And they would risk take and they would say things, you know,
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  like now we're hearing about doctors when they're, you know,
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  they're they're clocking in a patient, they'll say, how many
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  vaccines did you have? But I can't document it.
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  But back in the day, they would have done if they spotted a
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  trend that, you know, people having strokes in their 20s at
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  all exclusively been COVID jabbed in the recent days before
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  then, you know that you would have probably had the confidence
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  to speak out. And I think there was more of a
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  togetherness back then as well. There's an isolation around
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  working as a doctor now. So imagine you're flat out.
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  I used to go to my room in the in primary care and not leave.
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  You go out to make a coffee, self catheterise occasionally
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  and and on your way to a home visit and just, you know, just
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  flat out and you never see another human apart from the
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  patients in front of you but. And presumably, I think you
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  know, with the short consultations as well, 5 to 10
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  minutes is so short. What else can you do but reach
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  for a drug? There is no time to discuss
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  anything that you have. I presume you don't really have
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  time to examine anyone. You know, we were always taught
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  it's so important to take a, a full history.
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  Then you need to examine the patient.
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  You don't, you don't do tests until you're kind of, you know,
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  70% of the way through where you'll think you've already got
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  a differential diagnosis in your head.
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  Then you get to do your testing. Then you start to talk about,
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  you know, the non pharmaceutical option.
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  You don't have time to do any of that as AGP in five to 10
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  minutes. It must be such a unsatisfactory
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  way to practice medicine. Well, on top of that, I mean,
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  to, to pass out as AGP, you have to not only have the knowledge,
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  like you say, the history of the examination and further testing,
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  but there there's this kind of like polished way of passing
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  your exam. You have to consider the
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  patient's presenting problem in the context of the biology of
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  it, the psychology of it and the social aspects of it.
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  So it's a biopsychosocial approach, they called it.
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  So you have to see, you know, when you do your driving test,
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  you do mirror signal manoeuvre. That was very much what you're
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  trained to do as AGP. And as well as that, then you
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  have to address the patient's ideas, concerns and expectation.
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  So again, if you don't address that, then you're going to have
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  an unhappy punter at the end of it.
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  Because if they think their headaches a brain tumour and you
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  don't reassure them that it's not a brain tumour, then they're
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  just going to return, you know, for another 5 minute appointment
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  next week with another doctor usually.
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  So if I was to practice medicine like that, you know, you'd be
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  having to need 45 minutes per patient.
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  And, you know, you're doing these 20 patient clinics
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  back-to-back and, you know, you're juggling mental health
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  with gyne, breast lumps, prostate issues and mental
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  health and everything in between.
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  So, yeah, it was not a very satisfactory end to the career
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  anyway. So I kind of thanked the GMC in
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  a sort of reverse way. Thank them for releasing me, But
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  I don't like the reputation of stuff that's gone with it, which
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  I'm sure we'll talk about. Yeah, we will, definitely.
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  So before we move on to that though, have you always been
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  kind of awakened questioning or is this something that came to
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  you during COVID? So what before, you know, in
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  that first ten years of your career, were you going along
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  with the consensus generally or did you always have quite an
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  independent maverick streak to you?
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  Would you question things when they didn't make sense?
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  I think you've just nailed it with that phrase independent
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  maverick. And again, that would be that
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  would be tarnished with troublemaker.
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  You know, you go in around saying, you know, I think these
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  appointment times are a bit too short, can have a couple of
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  minutes extra and, you know, you get slapped down essentially.
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  So, yeah. And the centre of what I did has
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  always been patient safety. I know it sounds a bit a bit
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  soft, but, you know, that's what you do.
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  You sign up to be a doctor to look out for your patients, to
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  help them and the safety is the the principal point in that
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  consultation. So yeah, no, I've always been a
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  bit of a maverick. I mean, at the beginning of the
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  pandemic, obviously I took the jab for starters.
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  So it kind of tells its own story.
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  I believed it. I used to watch the BBC and
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  watch people dropping in the streets and questioning it.
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  Don't get me wrong, I questioned it, but you know, I was kept
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  busy. I was doing full time general
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  practice urgent care, some A&E shifts at the time.
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  So really wasn't that interested to be honest.
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  I was chatting to people who had COVID, you know, variations on
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  man flu. Really.
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  That's all I was getting from triaging these people.
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  Certainly wasn't hospitalising anyone, particularly any young
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  people, pregnant women or, you know, healthy adults with no
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  comorbidity. But yeah, so I took the vaccine
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  more and more due to the coercion of, you know, taking,
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  you know, the, the mandate was coming.
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  And I think it was a matter of days before the mandate was
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  reversed. I bottled it one fateful day and
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  roll must leave. I won't repeat exactly what I
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  said, but it wasn't informed consent.
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  It was kind of under duress. And so, yeah, that was it.
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  And you know, just started to see really the whole principle
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  for me was ethics, as we talked about already, the lockdown
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  saying, well, this is unprecedented.
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  You know, there's going to be collateral damage here
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  financially, mental health, etcetera.
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  Masking, just seeing bonkers, you know, particularly when
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  boxes state clearly these are not for protection around
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  COVID-19 actually says it on the boxes.
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  And then some of the silly rules were coming in, you know,
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  bubbles and rules of 6 and you know, you need to wear a mask
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  until you sit down and eat a steak and then you're good,
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  you're protected. The steak and chips are highly
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  protective, allegedly for the the wild type strain and just
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  weird rules that. Crazy times.
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  Crazy times. And then and then suddenly the
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  answer to all this? The vaccine.
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  It's safe. It's effective.
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  Lots and lots of propaganda, lots of fear, lots of
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  celebrities bad mouthing people who decided to exercise their
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  bodily autonomy. And it really for me came down
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  to my full awakening was from seeing the vaccine injured, you
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  know, in my room, in a clinic room in the middle of Penzance
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  where I live. Little surgery, not on many
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  patients really. And spotting the trends of the
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  fact that all the people that were getting alleged COVID had
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  had two jabs to stop them getting COVID and they were the
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  ones that were occupying the hospitals.
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  And I remember the date at the time, the UKHSA data showing
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  that, you know, upwards of initially 70, but then 80% of
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  deaths and hospital admissions, we're in the double vaccinated
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  at the time. That was before the booster idea
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  was born. And as soon as that booster went
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  in, that for me was the real trigger warning.
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  People would come in to me. It wasn't me suggesting that it
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  was a vaccine. They were saying I had that jab
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  yesterday or three days ago. I've not felt right.
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  And now I'm getting chest pain and low and behold, it turns out
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  to be APE. And, and one particular week we
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  had two females die in their 40s and it said coroner confirmed
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  post mortem vit vaccine induced thrombocytic thrombocytopenia
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  death by 1000 clots. Must have been a horrible death
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  for these two women. I had to make the condolence
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  call to 1 particular husband. And on that same week we had a
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  man collapse. He'd had the jab yesterday and
• 18:03
  he had a cerebral venous thrombosis the following day,
• 18:05
  seizing in the street. Get a call from the neurosurgeon
• 18:08
  telling me that, you know, this guy's having a cerebral venous
• 18:11
  thrombosis removed from his brain.
• 18:14
  And I said, you don't think he could be the vaccine and he had
• 18:15
  it yesterday. And that's the first ever time
• 18:18
  I've been called that fateful word anti vaxxer by the
• 18:20
  neurosurgical Reg. She said, you're not one of
• 18:22
  those anti vaxxers, are you? And I recounted that.
• 18:25
  And I mean, that weekend they jabbed.
• 18:26
  These were all three were AstraZeneca and two deaths and
• 18:30
  one cerebral venous thrombosis. Told the the guy running the
• 18:33
  vaccine centre saying, look, these are the death
• 18:35
  certificates. This is a guy who's just
• 18:37
  contacted me from Derryford Hospital locally, the
• 18:40
  neurosurgical centre. And he he went on to jab people,
• 18:42
  500 people that weekend with AstraZeneca.
• 18:46
  Well, you know, if I give somebody.
• 18:48
  Just thinking about these colleagues of yours who you
• 18:51
  know, must have been seeing the same thing as you, they you
• 18:53
  can't have been the only GP in Cornwall who was getting all of
• 18:57
  the vaccine injured. And yet do do you think
• 18:59
  psychologically it was almost too much cognitive dissonance?
• 19:03
  They were in too deep. They were so bought in to this
• 19:06
  narrative and they were so, you know, in it and colluding with
• 19:10
  it, that they literally just covered their ears, covered
• 19:14
  their eyes and just refused to admit what was going on and just
• 19:18
  dug themselves deeper into a hole.
• 19:20
  Is that kind of how you saw it? Put it this way, if I'd been
• 19:23
  jabbing pregnant women and children with the COVID-19
• 19:25
  vaccines, I'd be keeping my head well down.
• 19:28
  You know, I say there's an there was an actual pandemic that did
• 19:30
  happen over the five years ostrich syndrome.
• 19:33
  And that's what they are. You know, you've got this
• 19:34
  cognitive dissonance that kind of not wanting to even just talk
• 19:37
  about it. You don't want to hear Dave
• 19:39
  Cartman talking about the multi systemic inflammatory effects an
• 19:42
  autoimmunity that it induces because guess what, they've had
• 19:45
  three or four themselves while saying that a lot of the NHS
• 19:48
  staff said no didn't they? You know the the uptake of the
• 19:50
  flu vaccine this year has been rubbish.
• 19:54
  Great news that the COVID vaccine bottomed out after two.
• 19:57
  Most doctors and nurses stopped after the 2.
• 19:59
  They didn't take the booster. So you know 80% of the NHS are
• 20:02
  anti vaxxers according to that. And you just have to ask
• 20:04
  yourself, what are they seeing? What are they seeing?
• 20:06
  And, and it's always a whisper In the last role.
• 20:09
  People were coming into my room, tapping me on my shoulder.
• 20:11
  Well done Dave, you've done really good.
• 20:13
  People were recognizing me, patients and staff and almost
• 20:16
  like locking the door and making sure no one saw that they were
• 20:19
  having these conversations. How are you dealing with these
• 20:20
  vaccine injuries, Dave? What are you giving them?
• 20:22
  What are you recommending behind closed doors?
• 20:25
  I've offered to give every Cornish practice a free hour of
• 20:27
  my time to talk about spike protein detox.
• 20:31
  No one answered the e-mail, surprisingly, so I don't know.
• 20:34
  I can't explain it. There's wilful blindness.
• 20:36
  There's buyer's remorse as well. You know, if you know, you don't
• 20:39
  want people. Yeah.
• 20:41
  And maybe a lack of intellectual humility, like in a sense,
• 20:44
  because you'd also had a couple of jabs, but you were able to
• 20:48
  kind of be more adaptable and, and change course and say, wow,
• 20:53
  OK, that didn't work. There's a real situation here.
• 20:57
  Now I'm going to change my mind. I think people really struggle
• 21:00
  these days to change their minds once they've taken a a position.
• 21:04
  And how much do you think that whole ideology around vaccines,
• 21:07
  that sacred cow of medicine, was that the kind of genius Trojan
• 21:12
  horse within which to bring this, you know, bio weapon as
• 21:16
  some people describe it, because doctors were so blinded that to
• 21:21
  vaccines ever causing any harm that it was it was something
• 21:25
  that was above reproach. I mean, we were actually warned.
• 21:29
  I remember the medical school lecture, it was our one and only
• 21:32
  lecture on vaccines and immunology.
• 21:33
  Bearing in mind I've done months and months in the previous
• 21:35
  degree, you know, don't question the vaccines.
• 21:38
  You know, call tish really it was because and then you
• 21:40
  actually, that's where the phrase Wakefield came from.
• 21:42
  It came from a medical lecturer at Med school back then.
• 21:45
  Don't, don't speak out because you'll be Wakefielded.
• 21:48
  And you know, I would never have believed that possible had it
• 21:50
  not been, you know, completely carbon copied.
• 21:52
  In my case, I've been Cartlanded.
• 21:54
  I think I've become. Cartlanded because like what
• 21:58
  you've experienced, which we'll go on to talk about in a minute,
• 22:00
  is way is like Andrew Wakefield on steroids.
• 22:03
  I mean, they've taken it to a whole other level.
• 22:05
  So you know, you may have your own notoriety in being you know
• 22:10
  the name of. Well, you've indicated in the
• 22:11
  end in this. I hope in 20 years time the
• 22:13
  vindication will come. I'll keep plugging on for now.
• 22:16
  So you became a whistle blower and started to raise the COVID
• 22:20
  jab, safety concerns and challenging the narrative with
• 22:24
  both your colleagues and the public on social media.
• 22:27
  So what was your kind of experience in that situation,
• 22:30
  first of all with your colleagues and then when you
• 22:32
  were bringing it on social media?
• 22:35
  Well, when I had my original concerns, like I say, I was a
• 22:37
  bit academic about it. I started doing audits, you
• 22:39
  know, looking at all the positive tests, for example, and
• 22:42
  how many had been vaccinated or unvaccinated and it was
• 22:45
  immediately clear that the unvaccinated were not suffering
• 22:48
  from COVID and they weren't going to hospital with COVID.
• 22:50
  That was immediately clear. But, you know, I've tried my
• 22:52
  very best really to to try and wake people up the right way.
• 22:57
  Call practice meetings, you know, whole journal meetings.
• 22:59
  I remember being physically assaulted by a physio because I
• 23:02
  took a paper in from the JAMA Journal of American Medical
• 23:05
  Association about South Korean prospective study and it was
• 23:08
  myocarditis risk in adolescence. And he just huffed at me and
• 23:12
  said, look, I don't want to. This is my downtime.
• 23:14
  I don't want to hear your conspiracy crap.
• 23:16
  That was his exact words and pushed me in the chest and the
• 23:18
  room emptied. But I mean, for me, it really
• 23:20
  hinged on when I first decided to speak out.
• 23:23
  Like I say, fell on deaf ears. These genuine attempts, you
• 23:26
  know, asking them, are you seeing the same?
• 23:28
  Like you said earlier, are you seeing the same as I'm seeing?
• 23:30
  Am I just seeing a skewed, you know, set of vaccine injuries
• 23:33
  every day and you guys aren't? But then it came down to a
• 23:36
  discussion. It was a coffee room discussion.
• 23:37
  And we were discussing the fact that they were going for the, is
• 23:40
  it 11 to 19 year olds or something like that?
• 23:43
  It was the pre 2011 to 15, maybe 11 to yeah.
• 23:46
  And then we were just discussing that you're going to have your
• 23:48
  kids. A lot of the partners had
• 23:50
  children of that cat at that age.
• 23:52
  I said, would you get your adolescent vaccinated for COVID?
• 23:54
  He said, oh, no, no, wouldn't have it.
• 23:56
  There's no need. There's no clinical indication.
• 23:58
  We don't know enough about these things.
• 23:59
  Young people aren't dying of COVID, so there's no need.
• 24:02
  And then the very next day, in fact, they said to me, we'll not
• 24:04
  vaccinate people of that age in under under our roof was the
• 24:07
  phrase they used the very next day on the website.
• 24:10
  And I can't explain this, but it led to my resignation that
• 24:13
  advertising what what I call the jabotoire down the road.
• 24:16
  So they were advertising this massive flight.
• 24:18
  It was a military operation where people would go in one
• 24:20
  door and out the other, sheep herding as it were.
• 24:24
  And they deployed the staff from that surgery to that place to,
• 24:27
  to work. So they technically weren't
• 24:29
  injected under their roof and they were sending them over to
• 24:32
  that that place. And then I fell out with them
• 24:35
  and I just I publicly resigned and then all the fun and games
• 24:37
  happened. I took to social media podcasts.
• 24:40
  I think UK column was the first interview I did with Brian back
• 24:43
  in the day where we where we unmasked me as the vaccinated
• 24:47
  anti vaxxer that I am. And that was it.
• 24:50
  You know, I was just tried everything I could within the
• 24:53
  system. The system didn't want to hear.
• 24:54
  So I had a an important safety concern that needed to be to be
• 24:58
  made clear, particularly around the people are targeted children
• 25:01
  and pregnant women. You know, these are two groups
• 25:03
  that are so protected or should be so protected by the medical
• 25:06
  profession that we're telling pregnant women not to eat soft
• 25:08
  cheese or raw meat and sit and do you know, just healthy things
• 25:12
  for nine months. You know, most drugs in the BNF
• 25:14
  state, you know, not tested in pregnancy but not believed to
• 25:18
  be, you know, concerning etcetera.
• 25:20
  But that's suddenly this technology, you know, and not
• 25:23
  even the doctors injecting it, not even knowing that it's this
• 25:25
  novel platform. You know, in the early social
• 25:28
  media, you know, I was just getting banned like most of the
• 25:30
  other doctors. I remember doing an interview
• 25:32
  once where I'm holding up the documents from Moderna and
• 25:35
  Pfizer, reading them out, holding them up like this to the
• 25:37
  camera, running my finger along and putting the references at
• 25:41
  the bottom saying these are not. These are immuno modulatory gene
• 25:44
  therapies that will never be used on humans six months before
• 25:47
  we started using them on humans of ever decreasing ages.
• 25:51
  And so, you know, I got banned from LinkedIn, I got banned from
• 25:54
  Instagram and Facebook for that post where I'm holding up the
• 25:57
  documents peeping outside here. And there was no place to to
• 26:01
  kind of get your concerns out, not not within house or even on
• 26:05
  social media. There's this sudden censorship
• 26:07
  and and then the trolls came a trolling.
• 26:10
  And I know we're going to talk about this.
• 26:11
  Yeah, so you described so vividly in your book how you
• 26:15
  were subjected to years of the most brutal and relentless
• 26:19
  harassment and abuse from this coordinated gang of online
• 26:22
  trolls. And it was this absolutely
• 26:24
  disgusting, which which really, like spoke, speaks out of the
• 26:28
  pages of your book. And it even spilled over into
• 26:31
  your real life. There was you.
• 26:33
  You described doxing, hacking, real life stalking, mass
• 26:37
  Anonymous, GMC complaints and even being reported to the
• 26:40
  police. Yeah, if you reported these
• 26:43
  people to the police for all of these sort of criminal actions,
• 26:48
  the doxing, the hacking, the stalking, no action was ever
• 26:51
  taken. So yeah, it'd be really good to
• 26:54
  hear a bit more about like, when did it go from being censored
• 26:58
  and silenced in kind of, you know, shadow banned to then to
• 27:01
  this sort of far more vicious evil, this sort of aggressive
• 27:08
  attack against you from these trolls.
• 27:11
  Well, the irony is it's one of, again, I'm, I'm being cautious
• 27:14
  not to name names because obviously the victims, the
• 27:17
  victims of Doctor Cartland were treated as vulnerable witnesses
• 27:21
  and given anonymity orders. But everything Dave Cartland
• 27:24
  said was going to be beamed out publicly.
• 27:27
  So it all started with one of my victims.
• 27:29
  Again, one of the victims was a ringleader, well known
• 27:31
  ringleader. He's actually been kicked out of
• 27:32
  the Irish Medical Council recently for being what he is, a
• 27:35
  buffoon. But that said he, he's the
• 27:38
  organiser. And so the, the name of this
• 27:40
  online troll network is named after him and his business.
• 27:43
  And again, I'm not going to say any more than that.
• 27:45
  I, I, I actually face charges of harassing him.
• 27:48
  I presented the GMC with 600 tweets about me, 600 tweets
• 27:52
  about other doctors, probably including yourself.
• 27:56
  Just nasty ad hominem, viral abusive stuff.
• 27:59
  And then this guy went into the vaccine injury group, started
• 28:02
  calling people malingerers. Just get a job, you lazy.
• 28:06
  This and the other. And this is a guy that I've been
• 28:09
  found guilty of harassing him. This, this evidence was never
• 28:12
  shown to the GMC. They weren't allowing it.
• 28:14
  They never allowed me any witnesses.
• 28:16
  But it was a very strange kangaroo court.
• 28:19
  But going back to the trolls, it was very organised.
• 28:21
  Anyone who spoke out in my defence was immediately piled
• 28:24
  upon. And that's all the same faces
• 28:27
  even to this day. They're even quite blatant about
• 28:30
  what they've been doing outside of the Twitterverse.
• 28:33
  You know, as you mentioned, it's not stopped at the strike off.
• 28:37
  It upsets me that I've had so much harassment over five years,
• 28:39
  like unrelenting. And I've been found guilty and
• 28:42
  struck off for harassment and bullying, something that I
• 28:44
  absolutely a bore. I hate it, you know, bullied at
• 28:47
  school. I hate bullies.
• 28:48
  So to to lose my medical career for that.
• 28:50
  But yeah, they've not stopped short of anything.
• 28:52
  You know, I've got, I went to report six of them, six of the
• 28:55
  worst, plucked up all the courage in the world, took an ex
• 28:57
  detective with me and they as I walked into the police station,
• 29:00
  they said, look, you saved us the trip, Doctor Carlin.
• 29:02
  I said sorry. And then there he said we were
• 29:05
  coming to interview you under caution for harassment and
• 29:08
  malicious communications. I said sorry, that's what I've
• 29:10
  come in to report. And that's the six names of the
• 29:12
  characters that had reported me and they'd reported me over a 2
• 29:15
  day period. So 6 reports of Dave Cartland's
• 29:19
  a bully and harasser by 6 trolls and then he read out the six
• 29:23
  names and there were the six people I'd gone in to report.
• 29:25
  It's just unbelievable moment really.
• 29:27
  And I mean, the policeman yawned while I was telling him the
• 29:29
  story, the tale of work. He actually physically yawned
• 29:32
  during the interview. Anyway, that was all thrown out.
• 29:35
  And like I say, we've had things like social service contact.
• 29:39
  The last job I worked at, a surgery, they received 2 male
• 29:44
  anonymous male tip offs saying that doctor Carton's a bully and
• 29:47
  the harasser is about to be struck off.
• 29:48
  I was very open and honest with that surgery about what was
• 29:51
  going on in the background. I talked them through the, the
• 29:54
  charge sheet, as it were, and they were happy with it.
• 29:57
  But they let me go because they didn't want the, they didn't
• 29:59
  want the negative publicity because these two male trolls
• 30:02
  who were quite openly gloating on the exit that it was them
• 30:05
  they were doing the the people of Cornwallis service of getting
• 30:08
  rid of me as they see it. And they probably still see it,
• 30:11
  You know, they see themselves as champions of disinformation.
• 30:14
  I mean, we, the GMC tribunal started and we read out two
• 30:19
  things. We read out a number of death
• 30:20
  threats and incidents of physical stalking.
• 30:23
  And then we read out an e-mail and it was quite sinister.
• 30:25
  I remember it to this day and it said, I can remember the words
• 30:27
  it said. We are a group of doctors and
• 30:29
  scientists on the X slash, formerly Twitter platform who
• 30:33
  have been tasked with keeping misinformation regarding COVID
• 30:36
  off this platform. Doctor Cartman was a
• 30:38
  particularly obnoxious example of somebody spreading
• 30:41
  misinformation, which is why he became a target of our network.
• 30:45
  And then the GMC redacted the name of the individual who'd
• 30:48
  signed the Ms. So they're telling the GMC that I've been
• 30:50
  targeted by a group of doctors and malicious doctors and
• 30:53
  scientists and then the death threats.
• 30:55
  And then they went away. The GMC deliberated over it and
• 30:58
  said we'll grant vulnerable witness status to these guys.
• 31:01
  And Dave Carton's going to be public and beamed out.
• 31:03
  And they even allowed trolls into the tribunal, you know,
• 31:06
  even allowed trolls. They were advertising that they
• 31:08
  were selling memorabilia. They're popping corks at my
• 31:11
  demise and just a nasty level of trolling.
• 31:13
  And like I say, it's that they haven't left my refereeing
• 31:16
  career alone. You know, one of my bits of
• 31:18
  sanity at the weekend is to run around a football pitch and take
• 31:21
  charge of football matches, youth football, adult football,
• 31:25
  veterans, women's football. And they've come after that.
• 31:27
  The, the FA are getting several reports every single week about
• 31:30
  me from anonymous trials saying he's transphobic, he's a bully,
• 31:34
  he's this, this, that and the other.
• 31:35
  You don't really want this guy refereeing.
• 31:37
  And then we've got this. I know we're going to talk about
• 31:39
  the DBS they're looking at. Yeah.
• 31:41
  Do you want to bring that up now?
• 31:43
  That'd be. Yeah, I mean, it's trick or
• 31:45
  truth. That you're striking off.
• 31:47
  I think this is the point, isn't it?
• 31:48
  It's like this harassment has. I mean, it's very sinister
• 31:52
  actually, because how would they even know?
• 31:54
  For example, I know in the book it was like, how did they even
• 31:56
  know where you were working? You were two hours away from
• 31:59
  your house. So this suggests a level of
• 32:03
  stalking which is well beyond, you know, just dropping into
• 32:07
  your local surgery where you know, he works or bringing them
• 32:10
  up. This is this is like
• 32:11
  orchestrated, high level, high funded and very determined.
• 32:16
  I mean, one of the guys is an is an ophthalmologist from
• 32:19
  Nottingham. He travelled all the way to
• 32:20
  Wiltshire to sit three seats away from me, advertised the
• 32:23
  fact he'd arrived at one of the World World Council for Health
• 32:26
  meetings in Wiltshire. He's also travelled this summer
• 32:28
  to Cornwall and he was taking pictures of me refereeing a
• 32:31
  veterans match. You know, this is, this is where
• 32:34
  I went to a beach. They posted the webcam of the
• 32:36
  beach I was at. Cartland's arrived at the beach
• 32:38
  with his family. It's, you know, and they were
• 32:42
  posting the webcam of me physically there with the kids
• 32:44
  building sandcastles. Cartland can't be at work today
• 32:46
  because we've seen him take his children to and from school.
• 32:49
  Hashtag. We've got eyes everywhere and
• 32:51
  it's so sinister. And you know, if, if I started
• 32:54
  posting things like that about some of them, you know, I know
• 32:56
  that I'd get a knock on the door.
• 32:58
  So it needs to be there's two tier policing around online
• 33:01
  thought policing and social media posting.
• 33:03
  I mean the GM CS view was if I write something about a doctor,
• 33:07
  you know, one of the doctors was an obstetrician saying it was
• 33:09
  safe in pregnancy long term, 100% safe.
• 33:12
  So I pulled her up on that. This woman wrote about me 17
• 33:15
  times. I tweeted 3 things about her and
• 33:17
  they weren't particularly offensive.
• 33:19
  It's thanked Dr. X for inflicting spike protein upon
• 33:22
  your newborn. 3 tweets verses 17.
• 33:24
  I was found guilty of harassment and it was upheld of this
• 33:28
  obstetrician who was just following guidance.
• 33:30
  She told the story about how I was murdering pregnant women and
• 33:33
  babies and she held the hand of a woman that because of people
• 33:36
  like David Cartland spreading misinformation, she slipped away
• 33:39
  and she handed the baby over to this sobbing widow as she took
• 33:42
  her last breath and she had the panel sobbing.
• 33:45
  She happens to run the maternity COVID inquiry, you know, and ran
• 33:49
  and ran a trial around pregnancy safety of the vaccine, you know,
• 33:53
  which wasn't established. Classic abuse, isn't it, that,
• 33:56
  that you're accused of the thing that they're doing to you?
• 33:59
  I mean, it's that kind of sort of satanic inversion that's
• 34:02
  going on. And the fact is they were doing,
• 34:04
  I mean, it is a criminal offence to stalk people.
• 34:07
  You can't just turn up and stalk them and dox them.
• 34:10
  And I think it just shows how far the rot has gone that you
• 34:15
  had no recourse in this situation, that it wasn't just
• 34:19
  the GMC, but it was the court. It it's the, it's the police,
• 34:24
  it's the, and now you've been contacted by the DBS.
• 34:28
  So tell us about that. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting
• 34:31
  because one, one of the things I was going to say is that they
• 34:33
  bought in the big guns for me. So I'm little old Dave Cartland
• 34:36
  down in Cornwall. You know who's whistle blowing?
• 34:38
  They bought in the head of the CPS London there's no higher
• 34:41
  barrister in the land to be the the legally qualified chair of
• 34:44
  the panel. And they brought in a homicide
• 34:46
  terrorist barrister as the GMC 6 grand a day representation.
• 34:50
  And he just lied and lied and lied.
• 34:52
  They banned all my witnesses. They banned all my witness
• 34:54
  statements, my own witness bundle, half of it they lost.
• 34:58
  They said I didn't respond to one of the five complaints.
• 35:01
  I didn't file a defence. Well, I've got a read receipt
• 35:03
  from the GMC showing that I actually did and the lawyer and
• 35:06
  the investigation officer had received it, but published in
• 35:09
  the NPTS report that's not. Didn't even bother furnishing
• 35:12
  the NPTS with a defence. As I mentioned, one of the other
• 35:15
  doctors has been booted out of another tribunal for being a
• 35:19
  questionable character and that's all I say.
• 35:20
  But yeah, going back to the DBS trick or treat night, this doors
• 35:24
  knocking, kids are coming around and I thought it was a trick or
• 35:27
  treater. So I opened the door expecting
• 35:28
  to give sweets out and I had to sign for a package.
• 35:31
  And the package states that it's from the DBS, the Criminal
• 35:35
  Records Bureau that's been slightly rebranded now.
• 35:37
  So this is the list you go on if you've committed a crime.
• 35:40
  Now I'll make the point at this this juncture really, that
• 35:43
  considering I've been found guilty of three cases of
• 35:45
  harassment, if I harass somebody, there's two recourses,
• 35:49
  you can either sue them or you can go to the police and report
• 35:51
  them as a crime. None of those things have ever
• 35:54
  happened. I've been found guilty by a
• 35:55
  tribunal of harassment with no crime number, no police contact
• 35:59
  and no successful civil action. So completely outside of their
• 36:02
  jurisdiction really. And then, I mean, this letter
• 36:05
  really basically says that it's automatic if you struck off,
• 36:08
  they've actually worded the charges because you were struck
• 36:10
  off for, quote, emotionally abusing vulnerable adults.
• 36:15
  Now these are, you know, again, I'm not going to give identity
• 36:18
  information out, but these are practicing people, practicing
• 36:21
  doctors, professionals, practice managers.
• 36:24
  And then the other thing I did, the other crime, I gave 5 people
• 36:27
  letters of support for them for exercising their bodily
• 36:31
  autonomy. A that wasn't necessary because
• 36:34
  people can say no with a valid refusal of consent with
• 36:37
  capacity. And it was basically just an
• 36:39
  insurance policy. During 23 people contacted me
• 36:41
  saying I've got to get to Canada.
• 36:43
  My mom's got cancer, she's on a deathbed, I need to get over
• 36:46
  there. Can you write a letter just in
• 36:48
  case I have to show it to somebody in immigration or a
• 36:50
  jobs worth stewardess And that was it.
• 36:52
  And they never actually show any of them.
• 36:53
  GMC call it falsification of medical records for money
• 36:58
  originally. And this is where they kind of
• 37:00
  fell on the the strike off. They used this to justify the
• 37:02
  strike off, saying that it was irremediable behaviour,
• 37:05
  dishonesty. They really played on this
• 37:07
  dishonesty. Well, how do you know about
• 37:09
  these letters? Because I've admitted to doing
• 37:11
  them. And that came about, funnily
• 37:13
  enough, from entrapment. Again, the GMC are above the
• 37:15
  law. They got somebody to book in an
• 37:17
  appointment with me, asked for a medical exemption for a business
• 37:20
  trip to Canada, make or break. He described it.
• 37:24
  And then he said I haven't got a medical reason doc.
• 37:26
  Does that matter? I said no premium, none.
• 37:27
  The sea. Yeah.
• 37:28
  Fear first, do no harm. And the second reason is your
• 37:31
  bodily autonomy is sacrosanct and you don't even, you know,
• 37:34
  you don't need to justify that. That's that's you probably.
• 37:36
  Get informed consent as a doctor, then that is an
• 37:39
  exemption. If the person will not freely
• 37:43
  consent to it, if they do not want it, then that is your
• 37:47
  exemption. I mean, we've argued that we've,
• 37:49
  we set up something called PROMIC, which was giving forms
• 37:52
  to people for the doctors to certify.
• 37:54
  I cannot get informed consent for this drug.
• 37:57
  Therefore they are exempt because they are under coercion.
• 38:01
  And that is against my professional code and against
• 38:05
  the law. So we cannot coerce people into
• 38:08
  having medical treatment. So yeah, what you were doing was
• 38:11
  entirely in line with good medical practice and your GMC
• 38:15
  code of conduct. So what you, this is what I'm
• 38:19
  saying, where the GMC have then coded that as doctor contents
• 38:21
  has falsified medical records. And interestingly, about two
• 38:23
  years before this GMC case was cobbled together, they kept
• 38:26
  adding bits to it. You know, they, they were going
• 38:29
  to let me off. They sent me an e-mail saying
• 38:31
  we'll let you off this, these 5 letters that you've admitted to
• 38:34
  doing in your rebuttal as long as you have for two years on
• 38:36
  your GMC record that you've falsified medical records.
• 38:39
  And I was not, well I'm not going to admit to that because I
• 38:41
  didn't, I've not such to anyone's medical records have
• 38:43
  written a stand alone justification that the person
• 38:46
  can honour their own refusal, you know, bodily autonomy.
• 38:48
  Anyway, the reason I mention that now is because, and bear in
• 38:52
  mind the GMC had no copies of these letters.
• 38:54
  So it's just a admission. You know, we asked them to
• 38:56
  furnish the MPTS with the physical letter.
• 38:59
  We couldn't. We asked them which law and
• 39:01
  regulation are broke because this is the accusation that
• 39:04
  Kotland flouted international policy and safeguarding
• 39:08
  regulations and they quote that. The reason I mentioned that is
• 39:10
  it's in the letter here. So the DBS have followed up from
• 39:14
  the GMC strike of saying I've emotionally abused vulnerable
• 39:18
  adults. And the second thing is I was
• 39:20
  willing to flout international policy and safeguarding
• 39:22
  regulations and allowed my own opinion to override safeguarding
• 39:26
  rules. Now, they couldn't ever name the
• 39:28
  rule that I'd broken. There was no rule, there was no
• 39:31
  law, there was no international regulation.
• 39:33
  But they've used that now and they've made a big leap to say
• 39:35
  because you were willing to flout safeguarding rules, that
• 39:38
  if you work with children in the future that this will be a
• 39:40
  danger to them and that you'll be some sort of safeguarding
• 39:43
  risk. So they've made an application.
• 39:44
  Yet another legal fight, yet another cost getting a team
• 39:48
  together to fight this. I've got 8 weeks to appeal, else
• 39:50
  they're going to put me on the DBS bias for vulnerable adults
• 39:53
  and children based upon, you know, I mean a debate with three
• 39:56
  doctors and believe me, it was a 2 ING and throwing.
• 39:59
  It was a 6 1/2 a dozen of the other.
• 40:01
  Except the GMC wouldn't look at their six.
• 40:03
  You know the six things that they said about me?
• 40:05
  It was all Dave Cartman said this with no context applied.
• 40:08
  I wrote 5 letters to support bodily autonomy and I called out
• 40:11
  a practice manager that discriminated against me.
• 40:13
  She called me a rabid anti vaxxer and she rejected my CV
• 40:17
  saying that I was a rabid anti vaxxer and the Google search
• 40:20
  showed me to be one. I've got 2° in a masters and
• 40:23
  this surgery is a surgery in trouble so I was a little bit
• 40:25
  miffed so I posted the e-mail fully redacted.
• 40:28
  Fully redacted, didn't name her name the practice and then she
• 40:32
  was, you know, she was playing victim.
• 40:33
  She said that I was I incited hate mail.
• 40:36
  So she had some mail sent to her surgery from Doctor Mike Yeeda,
• 40:40
  the World Council for Health with 15 signatories and a
• 40:44
  retired old chap called John Savage.
• 40:46
  He wouldn't mind me using his name.
• 40:48
  And they furnished this practice manager with the Pfizer
• 40:50
  documents. So hardly hate mail.
• 40:53
  There was no threats but but concerning the GMC have got this
• 40:57
  thing where if I post anything about anyone and you come on Liz
• 41:00
  later and I know this is not like you, but swore about them
• 41:02
  and said I think that doctor will burn in health for
• 41:05
  promoting it in pregnancy then I'm responsible.
• 41:07
  They call it incitement. So that was another string to
• 41:09
  that bow. They also said I showed
• 41:12
  hostility to the LGBTQ plus community simply for calling out
• 41:16
  some of the more obscene things that happen at pride events with
• 41:19
  trans women, men in women's clothing and dancing around
• 41:23
  children semi clad. And I've called it out publicly
• 41:26
  and I'm mocking the crucifixion. We're both Christians saying
• 41:29
  Jesus is a fag and stuff like that.
• 41:31
  A person say, how is this right? How can people get away with
• 41:33
  this? Dancing in women's underwear,
• 41:35
  you know, you know, leaving nothing to the imagination with
• 41:39
  children visible. What that used to be called was
• 41:41
  child safeguarding, but now it's called hostility to the LGBTQ
• 41:45
  plus. And that was another charge they
• 41:47
  found me guilty of. It was.
• 41:49
  It was. Particularly sinister about this
• 41:52
  is, you know who tipped off the DBS?
• 41:55
  Like, is this normal that every doctor that's put in front of
• 41:58
  the GMC gets then checked by the DBS?
• 42:01
  Or or is this a special treatment for Dave Carland?
• 42:04
  Well, on the on the letter list that blacked out the name of the
• 42:06
  information something officer that has referred it on, but
• 42:09
  they're they're saying that it's just standard practice for that
• 42:11
  particular outcome harassment. Now there's no not been any
• 42:15
  doctors struck off for harassment ever.
• 42:17
  And meanwhile, we're looking at doctors and one of our defences
• 42:20
  was where's the proportionality here?
• 42:21
  As I mentioned, three spots on Twitter, bilateral.
• 42:24
  And as I found out from the police, once you start
• 42:26
  interacting or responding to somebody who harasses you, the
• 42:29
  case is gone. It's null and void once you
• 42:31
  start interacting. So it's literally these three
• 42:34
  doctors, the vaccine letters, not exemptions, letters of
• 42:37
  support and this calling out the practice manager.
• 42:40
  I mean, that was even more sinister.
• 42:41
  She tried to report before times, including on a Christmas
• 42:44
  Day. I mean, how sad do you have to
• 42:45
  be to report Dave on Christmas Day?
• 42:47
  And at that point, the GMC responded with a quite a
• 42:50
  thorough letter to her saying, look, he's done nothing wrong,
• 42:52
  he's quite entitled to, he's fully redacted everything.
• 42:55
  Then she's had a special delivery at the surgery, a brown
• 42:57
  envelope, couldn't write it, and one of the trolls would sort her
• 43:01
  out and given her a screenshot that was so badly doctored, so
• 43:04
  badly photoshopped that my kids could have done a better job
• 43:07
  with the crayon. And they basically put her name,
• 43:10
  her date of birth, her address and her e-mail address on top of
• 43:13
  the tweet. And like I say, it was a
• 43:14
  different font, it was depixelated, it was one key.
• 43:17
  And I explained this to the GMC. Guess what?
• 43:18
  Wasn't allowed to use that. In fact, I didn't file a defence
• 43:21
  for this case, which I did for the 25 page document explaining
• 43:24
  all of this, but found guilty. Actually, to go back to this
• 43:28
  kangaroo court, because that chapter in your book, which
• 43:30
  comes towards the end, as I read it, I literally thought I was
• 43:35
  going to be sick. It was that bad.
• 43:37
  And then I just started to weep. It was so evil what you were
• 43:42
  subjected to. Like you were denied a voice.
• 43:46
  You were being publicly shamed. You were being, you know, you
• 43:50
  weren't allowed to have evidence, admit, you know, none
• 43:53
  of your witness statements were admissible.
• 43:55
  You know, you weren't allowed to speak except for your barrister.
• 44:00
  You weren't allowed to be anonymous.
• 44:03
  You were public and yet your accusers were allowed to be
• 44:07
  anonymous. It it just was.
• 44:09
  They weren't even pretending to give you a fair trial.
• 44:12
  It was so far from a fair trial. It was, I mean, they just have
• 44:17
  no shame because it was, it was. At one point, the Human Rights
• 44:20
  Act, we applied for strike off of the case based upon breaches
• 44:23
  of three aspects of the Human Rights Act, you know, fair
• 44:26
  trial, freedom of speech, etcetera.
• 44:28
  And they just came back and they deliberated for two or three
• 44:31
  hours while you sat under house arrest with your laptop going in
• 44:34
  and out of this virtual hearing. And they came out and they just
• 44:36
  said no, no, we decided that we're going to continue.
• 44:39
  You know, we applied for various things throughout the process of
• 44:41
  the privacy order. Let's just do this behind closed
• 44:43
  doors, you know, bearing in mind the depths that they threw me.
• 44:47
  And the reason the case was adjourned was because I had a
• 44:49
  deterioration in my mental health and became, frankly,
• 44:52
  suicidal at this witch hunt, losing my beloved career and my
• 44:56
  financial future and my reputation all in one foul
• 44:58
  swoop, you know, And it made me feel really, really depressed,
• 45:02
  you know? And so that's why we adjourned
• 45:03
  it. So the GMC knew that going into
• 45:05
  the second-half that they'd adjourned the first half because
• 45:07
  of a suicide attempt. And I speak openly about that
• 45:10
  now because that's we know that. We know the GMC drive people who
• 45:13
  are under investigation to suicide, I think is one in three
• 45:16
  contemplate suicide. And I know why now because they
• 45:18
  treat you like an animal, they treat you like you're guilty.
• 45:20
  One of the first thing they did even before I've even had any
• 45:23
  evidence heard was right to every single surgery in Cornwall
• 45:26
  that I worked at and every hospital saying just to let you
• 45:29
  know, you're locum doctor David Carton has been accused of and
• 45:31
  will be investigated for harassment, bullying,
• 45:34
  incitement, homosec, LGBTQ plus hostility and falsifying medical
• 45:39
  notes. And that that had gone out to
• 45:41
  all malpractices, never worked at any of them again.
• 45:43
  So even in the run up, the three-year debacle, which you
• 45:46
  know ended in the actual tribunal starting in earnest is
• 45:49
  that they stopped me from working.
• 45:51
  And Cornwall's a place where, you know, bad news travels fast
• 45:54
  and it's a very gossipy place. And so, you know, 1 bad word.
• 45:57
  This is one of the reasons I wrote the book, so people can
• 45:59
  hear how bad it really was. And it was absolutely immoral,
• 46:03
  illegal. I mean, the way they found out
• 46:05
  about the vaccine exemptions. As I mentioned, two of the GMC
• 46:08
  complainants reported it to the GMC on the same day.
• 46:11
  So this actor had sent the footage, the WhatsApp exchange
• 46:15
  to these two victims of mine who submitted it on the same day,
• 46:18
  15th of September and almost word for word, identical emails,
• 46:22
  word for word, like somebody had written it before that.
• 46:24
  It's just unbelievable. And you say to the GMC, this is
• 46:28
  entrapment and collusion because these two doctors, you know, and
• 46:32
  all these three doctors were chatting to each other online as
• 46:34
  well. You know, I've reported them on
• 46:35
  Monday. I suggest you do the same.
• 46:37
  I'll do it on Wednesday. Got them in their in their
• 46:39
  speeches, they're saying that they don't know each other.
• 46:41
  I mean, there's nothing. It was.
• 46:43
  You were being it was the biggest pile on, wasn't it?
• 46:46
  Because it wasn't just individuals, it was you were up
• 46:48
  against these powerful bodies, your regulators, the justice
• 46:53
  system, the police, you know, social services, everybody.
• 46:57
  The DBS now have like, you know, joined in and, and you were not
• 47:02
  even allowed to speak. And I cannot imagine how that
• 47:06
  must make you. I mean, it is nothing short of a
• 47:08
  miracle. You know, by the grace of God
• 47:11
  that you're actually still here because I think what you have
• 47:13
  endured has been obscene and it's been unrelenting.
• 47:17
  And it's just been multiple sources, you know, and then the
• 47:20
  media, you know, you've kind of got everybody.
• 47:23
  And as I said to you earlier, you know, what Andrew Wakefield
• 47:25
  endured was horrific, you know, but what you described is taking
• 47:29
  it to a whole nother level. I was I was a double page
• 47:33
  spreading the local Cornishman newspaper.
• 47:36
  One was AI mean the the trolls have managed to contact several
• 47:39
  people in my personal life. They wanted hit pieces from my
• 47:41
  ex-wife, neighbors, friends, colleagues.
• 47:44
  They were actively going out and seeking these people dishing,
• 47:48
  digging for dirt on me. But they got the ear of the
• 47:50
  local editor of the newspaper Cornwall Live.
• 47:52
  He wrote about 8 or 9 hit pieces about me in 2 weeks.
• 47:55
  Now it was unprecedented for a paper to publish so many
• 47:58
  articles all disparaging and they actually published that I
• 48:02
  was struck off 2 days before I was struck off.
• 48:04
  I mean that's how corrupt it was.
• 48:06
  You know, that's published that I was going to be struck off.
• 48:10
  I mean it's no one's explained that to me.
• 48:11
  And then they went digging through my social media and they
• 48:14
  wrote a hit piece and the headline was, and I'll quote it
• 48:16
  exactly, cost you 40,000 to fight this in court to sue.
• 48:20
  It said inside the warped mind of dodgy struck off Cornwall GP
• 48:24
  and his homophobic worldview. So they'd gone on then to look
• 48:28
  at social media posts, they believe we're homophobic.
• 48:30
  And I'll give you one example. One was a picture of Sam Smith,
• 48:32
  the singer, and they had this massive like mushroom outfit,
• 48:35
  feather boa, etcetera. And I put human evolution,
• 48:38
  that's it, that's the post. I put another one about a man
• 48:41
  holding a number element above his wife and two children.
• 48:44
  It said man, woman, boy, girl, I'm a father and I'm protecting
• 48:47
  my children from gender confusion.
• 48:49
  How's that homophobic? And they go on for several.
• 48:52
  They remember Little Britain, I'm a lady, you know, the guys
• 48:55
  that went I'm a lady. And it's just mocking that, that
• 48:58
  that's actually become reality now.
• 49:00
  It's nothing to do with homosexuality, it's to do with
• 49:03
  the transgender. And I see transgender as
• 49:05
  something highly sinister in the safeguarding concern, simple as
• 49:08
  that. I'm entitled to that opinion.
• 49:10
  It certainly isn't homophobia. Well, I just I want to say you,
• 49:14
  you've probably had a lot of time to think about this, but if
• 49:16
  you had your time again, knowing what you know now, what would
• 49:19
  you would you do anything differently regarding how you
• 49:22
  engage with the trolls? And what would you advise other
• 49:24
  people in in if they're in find themselves in that position to
• 49:28
  do what would your? Yeah, absolutely.
• 49:30
  I mean, I've reflected and, you know, I've tried to find fault
• 49:33
  in myself. You know, how have I got in this
• 49:34
  situation? Absolutely.
• 49:36
  I'd use the analogy of a bear. If you keep poking a bear, the
• 49:39
  bear's going to attack, you know, But what the GMC were
• 49:41
  doing, we're taking Polaroid snaps of me attacking and I have
• 49:44
  done before. I mean, I was going to think of
• 49:48
  one example. I don't think it's appropriate
• 49:49
  to go on the UK colour, really. But I, yeah, I forget what I was
• 49:52
  going to say. But ultimately, yeah, I have.
• 49:54
  I've poked, poked back. You know, these people have
• 49:56
  abused me, multifaceted attempts at, you know, ruining every
• 50:00
  aspect of my life. So occasionally I will, you
• 50:03
  know, share an expletive with them.
• 50:04
  What I tended to do was call them out so a lot of my store,
• 50:07
  because I'll put a picture of them and say this is Mr. X, he
• 50:10
  lives in so and so he's posted about a stranger in Cornwall 585
• 50:14
  times in the last two months. Does your wife know you do this?
• 50:17
  Things like that? So you know, professionalism at
• 50:20
  all times, but when you provoked, you know, when they're
• 50:22
  threatening everything from your, you know, I've got four
• 50:24
  children. You know, I've got to support
• 50:26
  the I've just lost 120 grand year salary to be replaced by
• 50:30
  joblessness. I can't get a job.
• 50:32
  I've been applying to driving jobs, just normal minimum wage
• 50:36
  stuff. The referee and I mentioned, and
• 50:37
  they're even trying to stop that and they're getting ACV from a
• 50:40
  guy who's got two medical degrees and a masters.
• 50:42
  And so why does he want to drive for Amazon?
• 50:45
  And then they Google me and it's not a pretty sight if you Google
• 50:48
  Dave Kotland. I wouldn't employ me.
• 50:50
  But yeah, I think, you know, going back to the original
• 50:52
  question, yeah, a bit a bit more restraint.
• 50:55
  You know, I have been provoked and I'm an emotional guy.
• 50:58
  Yes, I know that that I've been a kind of operating as a lone
• 51:00
  wolf screaming into the abyss. That's how I've kind of
• 51:03
  positioned myself to avoid any politics.
• 51:05
  But when it's every day, day in, day out, five years and you know
• 51:09
  it's been the gym see they didn't just hurry up.
• 51:11
  They're three years until the start of the tribunal.
• 51:14
  They were adding stuff on. They were telling me that even
• 51:16
  if. Designed to push you to your
• 51:18
  limits, obviously. Well, in the end, I mean they
• 51:20
  did. Not many people know this.
• 51:21
  So he wrote to me again during the tribunal and said we're
• 51:24
  going to come after you again, we're going to have another MPTS
• 51:27
  if you win. So I basically posted 3
• 51:30
  naturopathic cancer supplement protocols from other people and
• 51:34
  I put a disclaimer saying this is not my protocol.
• 51:36
  These are from reputable naturopaths such as Sarah
• 51:38
  Mayhill, Barbara O'Neill, etcetera.
• 51:41
  Please seek medical advice and discuss with your oncologist
• 51:43
  before commencing any of these supplements.
• 51:45
  That was it. GMC rang me up and said we've
• 51:48
  made a decision at senior level. This is your next MPTS.
• 51:51
  You're promoting cancer cures in breach of the Cancer Act.
• 51:54
  It's like, thank God. So they're already lining up
• 51:57
  that's. Against the Cancer Act, isn't
• 51:59
  it? It's really scary that you can't
• 52:01
  claim that anything apart from chemotherapy or radiation or
• 52:06
  surgery can treat or cure cancer.
• 52:09
  That's like, I mean, that was brought in decades ago.
• 52:12
  It's quite frightening. So what do you think?
• 52:15
  Now what you know, I, my conclusion and I reading your
• 52:19
  book was that you've been subjected to this a very
• 52:21
  concerted effort by some extremely powerful people,
• 52:25
  possibly the deep state intelligence agencies to, to
• 52:28
  literally destroy you. So they didn't just want your
• 52:30
  career, they wanted to destroy your life.
• 52:32
  And I think what you describe in your books is pure evil.
• 52:37
  So this level of targeting harassment, it's not down to a
• 52:40
  few deranged individuals. It's clearly orchestrated,
• 52:43
  extremely well funded and extremely influential.
• 52:47
  So what are your thoughts as to who or what is behind this
• 52:51
  campaign? What you know, because this
• 52:53
  isn't just a group of doctors who are annoyed with you.
• 52:56
  This isn't just, you know, AGMC who can't run a court case.
• 53:00
  There's something very, very dark that's sort of you're
• 53:04
  pulling the strings in this. Yeah, I mean, you look at the
• 53:07
  sheer amount of these characters and, and how far they're
• 53:10
  prepared. I mean, only this week I, I was
• 53:12
  walking on the beach and I thought I'd, I'd do a kind of ad
• 53:14
  hoc video. I use CBD oil and I just wrote a
• 53:17
  2 minute video saying I've been using CBD oil.
• 53:19
  It's really good for anxiety, stress, and it's helping me
• 53:21
  sleep at the moment during stressful times.
• 53:23
  And the video posted it two days later.
• 53:26
  Advertising Standards Agency write a letter to me reported by
• 53:29
  the trolls. My website's up and running for
• 53:31
  the new health coaching and it's been reported already for one,
• 53:34
  one page that we forgot to add to it about data protection,
• 53:37
  etcetera. Been reported to the ICO
• 53:39
  already. So yeah, I mean, these could be
• 53:41
  these people know exactly because sometimes I'll test it,
• 53:44
  I'll put a post up and remove it within 12 seconds, 10 seconds
• 53:48
  they've captured it. So they've got technology.
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  And then I know people who privately investigated these
• 53:52
  people and found the technology that they use.
• 53:54
  And, you know, it's pretty high tech stuff.
• 53:56
  And you know, these characters are dotted all around, all the
• 53:59
  way around the world. I've got a stalker in Costa
• 54:01
  Rica, Canada, an expat up in Thailand running some sleazy
• 54:05
  massage parlour. So whoever they are, I mean
• 54:08
  they're recruiting some real drafts of society.
• 54:11
  I mean, they, they all tend to have some ex military connection
• 54:14
  for sure. Even this Costa Rican couple
• 54:16
  have just found out have got, they're both ex military.
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  A lot of the trolls have got nods to Freemasonry, nods to
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  openly, openly nodding that they're Freemasons, openly
• 54:23
  nodding that they're ex military personnel.
• 54:26
  And so there's obviously accusations at 77 Brigade who
• 54:29
  openly admit to what they do. There's other organisations,
• 54:32
  NGOs like CCDH, they're heavily involved.
• 54:35
  CCDH at the beginning we had Project Halo and that kind of
• 54:39
  morphed into something else. And you've got Reality Team and
• 54:42
  CTI League, go to any of their websites, they tell you exactly
• 54:45
  what they do. Neutralize.
• 54:47
  They use that word, neutralize targets.
• 54:50
  And they're quite open. So I don't know exactly who they
• 54:52
  are. I'd love to know.
• 54:54
  And obviously. You know, I'm thinking about
• 54:56
  what their goal is. I mean, you must have been right
• 54:59
  over the target, like what you were doing was had the potential
• 55:03
  to bring everything down. So you were, you know, little
• 55:07
  Dave Cartland in Cornwall was a massive threat to this huge
• 55:10
  global enterprise going on. And they wanted to make an
• 55:14
  example of you, of course, to terrify other doctors who you
• 55:19
  know, because they knew people there would be people that would
• 55:22
  want to speak out. So they have to really go for a
• 55:25
  few to to shut up the many. Yeah, I was watching this.
• 55:30
  All of my fellow dissenters were picked off one at a time.
• 55:32
  You know, we had Sarah, Sarah Myhill, Mohamed Adeel, Sam
• 55:35
  White, my good friend Dan Armstrong.
• 55:37
  He was struck off for, quote, questioning the safety and
• 55:39
  efficacy of the COVID vaccine. That was the reason.
• 55:42
  That was it. Oh, dear.
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  And even one of the GMC guys wore a Freemason pin and the
• 55:47
  Freemason tie while he was in the tribunal because that Dan
• 55:49
  called him out on it and he got very flustered when he mentioned
• 55:52
  Freemason report, you know, to, to, to, to seek legal recourse
• 55:56
  here, Liz. I mean, the whole GMC case cost
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  me £80,000 in legal costs, right?
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  I didn't have any MPs or whatever it's called now.
• 56:04
  I'll get to the end of that and you get one month to appeal.
• 56:07
  Obviously. I took to my bed for about a
• 56:09
  month. I was licking my wounds.
• 56:10
  I never had a shave. I barely had a shower.
• 56:12
  I barely ached, just hit a massive depression because of
• 56:15
  the it's sheer velocity. And they're expecting you to
• 56:17
  formulate an appeal and they wanted £20,000 plus that.
• 56:20
  And if you lose, you pay the GM CS costs and they got 2
• 56:23
  barristers on 6 grand a day. So there's a financial
• 56:27
  disincentive. And then you get 3 months to do
• 56:29
  a judicial review from the strike off day.
• 56:32
  And so I entertained that idea. I raised a crowdfund for it and
• 56:35
  then other civil litigations intercepted there to take that
• 56:38
  fund away. This specific exact figure that
• 56:40
  I needed. You need 50,000 quid £50,000 to
• 56:43
  go to judicial review just to even get the ear of a judge to
• 56:46
  listen to this. I mean no one in the land would
• 56:49
  say that it was a just tribunal at all.
• 56:52
  You know you can to not allow a defendant witnesses for
• 56:54
  starters, you know ones our very own Ross Jones wrote a character
• 56:58
  reference. They've received 380 positive
• 57:00
  testimonies about me from various walks of life from
• 57:03
  friends and family to ex patients etcetera.
• 57:06
  The GMC legally qualified chair said we're not going to include
• 57:09
  this in the bundle for Doctor Kant's defence because they do
• 57:11
  not under the people writing the testimonies do not understand
• 57:14
  the intricacies and details of this case.
• 57:16
  It doesn't really matter what the case about, it's a stand
• 57:19
  alone testimony saying about my good nature and good character.
• 57:22
  They wouldn't even read them anything that was positive about
• 57:24
  me, you know, unbelievable, unprecedented.
• 57:28
  I think my barrister had to have about 3 months off to recover.
• 57:31
  He's never seen anything like it.
• 57:33
  Yeah, so I mean, as you describe in your book it, this literally
• 57:37
  took you to the brink, to the edge of a Cliff in in your
• 57:41
  darkest moment. But thankfully, you're here to
• 57:44
  tell the tale and looking forward to the future, you're
• 57:47
  now embarking on new projects. You've got your health coaching
• 57:50
  and podcasting, which is really exciting.
• 57:53
  And I just wondered, like, how has your faith helped you to get
• 57:56
  through this journey? And what are your reflections on
• 57:59
  what you've been through over the last few years and how you
• 58:01
  make sense of this journey you've been on?
• 58:05
  Yeah, I mean, going right back to the beginning of the
• 58:07
  pandemic, the church, I felt the church was a let down.
• 58:10
  I was a New Zealous Christian learning the biblical principles
• 58:14
  and a biblical way of life. And the church shut its doors in
• 58:16
  the faces of people and reverted to Zoom prayer meetings and we
• 58:20
  lost about 1/3 of the flock, as it were, from our church in
• 58:23
  Penzance and never to return and silly rules being practised.
• 58:26
  And and I'm saying to what really disappointed me was the
• 58:29
  spiritual battle that was clearly being fulfilled in the
• 58:32
  five years that we've seen it. I called it prophetic bingo.
• 58:35
  It's a part of my testimony becoming a Christian was looking
• 58:37
  at the Bible and what came true from Old to New Testament.
• 58:40
  And in the recent years we've seen, you know, Romans one come
• 58:43
  true, 2 Thessalonians 2 born out in the pandemic.
• 58:46
  And there'll be a grand illusion that even the elect will be
• 58:49
  deceived. You know, it says it in in in
• 58:51
  clear text, really. Two Timothy, three generation.
• 58:54
  And I'm sort of ticking these off in my head.
• 58:56
  And all you're getting from the churches, I think it's Romans
• 58:58
  13, isn't it always, you know, succumb to what the government
• 59:01
  tell you to do and sort of ignoring the higher power in
• 59:03
  God? So I've took my spiritual
• 59:05
  journey to a more personal level, you know, and I think
• 59:08
  that's biblical as well, isn't it, Because it talks about the
• 59:10
  Pharisees making an outward show of their religion.
• 59:13
  I call it church reality. People who turn up on a Sunday
• 59:15
  and pray and sing and make a big show and then forget Christian
• 59:19
  ethos. I've not heard from any person,
• 59:21
  brother or sister in Christ from my church anyway since of struck
• 59:26
  off. In fact, one of the only
• 59:28
  Christian doctors I know in the area said that if you should
• 59:30
  never have jeopardized your career on this.
• 59:32
  He said the he kept using the phrase and it really upset me
• 59:35
  because he's a he's a guy who quit medicine to become a pastor
• 59:38
  of an evangelical church. He said this was never a hill on
• 59:40
  which to allow your career to die.
• 59:42
  I'm saying that it's genocide and pregnant women and children
• 59:45
  and deaths and harm and clocks and strokes.
• 59:48
  And he's saying it's not a hill to die on.
• 59:49
  Well, what is a hill to die on in your view?
• 59:51
  And then he ended up blocking me.
• 59:53
  So. That's absolutely.
• 59:55
  Yeah, severely tested severely. You're right, it's all there in
• 1:00:01
  the Bible. And I think actually those of us
• 1:00:03
  who can see the spiritual perspective, actually that is
• 1:00:07
  life enhancing. And that really because you
• 1:00:10
  understand the bigger picture and you recognise that where
• 1:00:12
  you're standing, you're in the good fight and you are on the
• 1:00:15
  right side of history, You are on the right side of this battle
• 1:00:19
  and history will judge you very well in the end.
• 1:00:22
  So and you've now published 2 books, so your anthology of
• 1:00:27
  poetry which was a doctor's. And your latest Flash them up,
• 1:00:31
  Flash them up. Yeah, this one, well, actually
• 1:00:35
  split screen. Yeah, brilliant do no harm
• 1:00:38
  Diaries of a vaccinated anti vaxxer which I would encourage
• 1:00:41
  everyone to buy and there will be a link in the show notes to
• 1:00:43
  both the books. Do you enjoy writing?
• 1:00:46
  Has it been therapeutic and are there more books there that in
• 1:00:49
  your head to be written? Yeah, it's a little known secret
• 1:00:52
  about me. If I'd never made it as a
• 1:00:54
  doctor, I would have been either a journalist or some sort of
• 1:00:57
  English literature was my love through school.
• 1:00:59
  That's why it took me so long to get to Med school.
• 1:01:00
  So I didn't do all the classic chemistry, physics, I did
• 1:01:05
  English literature, maths and something else, biology.
• 1:01:08
  So it's kind of a hotchpot really.
• 1:01:09
  And yeah, I love it. I mean the the poetry book came
• 1:01:12
  about from an insomnia period. I was just waking up at 3:00
• 1:01:15
  getting some rhyming couplets in my head and thought, let's get
• 1:01:18
  these down. So I had sat there with my phone
• 1:01:19
  and sort of added, added, I've been writing these poems in 10
• 1:01:22
  minutes flat. And you know, I've called 1
• 1:01:25
  COVID cultists, 1 blind obedience, Mascoholics, keyboard
• 1:01:30
  warriors, a little nod to the trolls, a little ode to them and
• 1:01:33
  the characters that they are. And I've just sort of put it
• 1:01:36
  together with a group of other outspoken doctors and people
• 1:01:38
  who've been in the quote await communities.
• 1:01:40
  And it's formed an anthology. And I really hope that people
• 1:01:43
  enjoy the contents. And as you mentioned, the other
• 1:01:46
  book is is my side of the story. And something that really
• 1:01:48
  concerned me was my Archer nemesis, Jeremy Vine posted on
• 1:01:53
  Twitter, the Cartland's he put on Twitter to all of his
• 1:01:55
  father's Cartland's legacy to his children and grandchildren
• 1:01:58
  will be his Google search. And that really like a dagger
• 1:02:01
  hit me. And I thought, I've got to get
• 1:02:03
  my own version of events down. I've never spoke about Jeremy
• 1:02:06
  Vine, by the way, never ever. But he decided to state that I
• 1:02:09
  was. I've been abusive to him
• 1:02:10
  apparently as well in another life.
• 1:02:13
  But yeah, he put this thing about the legacy to my
• 1:02:15
  grandchildren and children. And so I thought, no, I'm going
• 1:02:17
  to give them a proper legacy that isn't run by Google.
• 1:02:19
  It's going to be my poetry. It's going to be my story within
• 1:02:22
  do no harm. And yeah, I think maybe there's
• 1:02:24
  there might be a sort of future in fiction.
• 1:02:27
  Maybe as well. I might write some stories about
• 1:02:29
  my career. But as I said, third person tell
• 1:02:32
  some of the tales, the anecdotes that I cover in the do not don't
• 1:02:34
  harm. That's some of the characters
• 1:02:36
  that. We can definitely look forward
• 1:02:38
  to that. And then despite everything
• 1:02:40
  you've been through, you're still continuing to speak out
• 1:02:43
  and help others, which is just such a testament to your
• 1:02:46
  character with your health coaching business, which we'll
• 1:02:49
  have a link in the notes and you're Breaking the Silence
• 1:02:51
  podcast. So do you want to just tell us a
• 1:02:53
  little bit about your work in those areas?
• 1:02:56
  Yeah, I think my my barrister left me with a message actually
• 1:03:00
  as we as we sort of closed our work together with the GMC.
• 1:03:03
  So don't get mad, get even. Yeah, even.
• 1:03:05
  So I think I'm going to continue my work to get even to to
• 1:03:08
  continue to whistleblower. And I always consider, I say
• 1:03:11
  this aligning to views that I always imagine a scenario in,
• 1:03:15
  you know, three years, not three years in 30 years when my
• 1:03:18
  grandkids say, Dad, what did you do?
• 1:03:19
  Granddad, what did you do? And I'll show them these videos
• 1:03:22
  and say, look in amongst all the silence and heads down and, you
• 1:03:25
  know, all the cognitive distance, Daddy, Granddad spoke
• 1:03:28
  up and I'll, I'll sleep well knowing that.
• 1:03:30
  So yeah, the, the podcast itself, the principle is to get
• 1:03:34
  NHS whistleblowers that haven't particularly had a platform
• 1:03:38
  science background. I've done some interviews with
• 1:03:40
  people, international folk who are from pharma, nursing
• 1:03:43
  backgrounds, etcetera, caring backgrounds telling their story.
• 1:03:46
  There's also a series on vaccine injury case studies as well.
• 1:03:49
  So I've interviewed people who've just told their story.
• 1:03:51
  I've not intimated it's vaccine injury that that's the
• 1:03:54
  conclusion they've come to and some of the shenanigans that
• 1:03:56
  they've got up to with the the medics gaslighting them, telling
• 1:04:00
  them they're all making up their symptoms for fun, functional
• 1:04:03
  neurological disorders, the latest trend and letting them
• 1:04:06
  have a platform. And I've deliberately made it
• 1:04:08
  really low tech. It literally recorded in this
• 1:04:10
  room on my old battered laptop from uni.
• 1:04:13
  I press record with no script and we roll the cameras and it's
• 1:04:16
  going really well on YouTube. It's really because I was banned
• 1:04:19
  on YouTube until two months ago. They reinstated so I got the
• 1:04:22
  idea to transfer the sub stack across to.
• 1:04:24
  I'm an officially a YouTube now so again if anyone wants to.
• 1:04:28
  Have a few 1000 followers there. Haven't you already?
• 1:04:30
  I I noticed that today about. Yeah, so I'm trying my best
• 1:04:33
  really to make scraps of money for monetizing these things.
• 1:04:36
  You don't make a lot of money from it but you know, a couple
• 1:04:38
  of £100 for posting videos a month, it all adds to the
• 1:04:41
  companies. How so?
• 1:04:42
  How can we? How can people best help and
• 1:04:44
  support you? Where can where can we find your
• 1:04:47
  work and what can we do to help you?
• 1:04:50
  Just just spread the word. I think I've suffered a lot from
• 1:04:51
  censorship. And obviously if you Google me,
• 1:04:53
  the reputational damage is there for everyone to see.
• 1:04:56
  So if everyone, you know, the, the, we really grew the health
• 1:04:59
  coaching business before the trolls got to my business
• 1:05:01
  partner. And then he had to run for the
• 1:05:03
  safety of his family and kids because they were threatening
• 1:05:05
  him and stalking him. So we've had to rebuild.
• 1:05:07
  And it really relies on word of mouth.
• 1:05:09
  So if people, you know, use the service or they see the website
• 1:05:12
  and they like it, share it. I mean, you'll get attacked by
• 1:05:14
  trolls, but nonetheless, just promoting them.
• 1:05:17
  Books as well. I'd love every single GP you
• 1:05:20
  know. If anyone's thinking about a
• 1:05:20
  Christmas present you know for 15 quids you can get yourself a
• 1:05:24
  poetry book and a do no harm, pop it through the the door of
• 1:05:27
  your GP and the chief vaccinator and enlighten them as to what
• 1:05:31
  happens. I'd love you to be honest with
• 1:05:33
  GP's Christmas list. Brilliant.
• 1:05:36
  Well, thank you so much, Doctor Carlin, for sharing your story
• 1:05:39
  and experiences so honestly and vulnerably.
• 1:05:41
  And I'm sure our viewers and listeners are as horrified as I
• 1:05:44
  am by what you've endured, but I hope they're also heartened and
• 1:05:47
  inspired by your passion for truth and your immense courage
• 1:05:51
  in the face of evil. Your erasure for the medical
• 1:05:54
  register is a massive loss to your patients and to the medical
• 1:05:58
  profession who have lost a brilliant, compassionate and
• 1:06:00
  ethical Doctor Who always put his patients first.
• 1:06:04
  But I hope and pray that one day you will be reinstated and that
• 1:06:07
  justice and truth will prevail. And in the meantime, I just wish
• 1:06:10
  you all the best with your new projects and book sales, and do
• 1:06:14
  encourage everyone to buy a copy to show their support for you
• 1:06:17
  and the brave stand you've taken to uphold medical ethics.
• 1:06:20
  Thank you very much. Thanks for having me Liz, always
• 1:06:22
  a pleasure.