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William Malone · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Chop the pops and stacks of wax and the hits
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  Speaker 1: just keep on coming. Hey, kids.
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  Speaker 2: This episode is rated M for Misty. Yes, that's right,
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  Speaker 2: this is a Misty episode, so it will be laced
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  Speaker 2: with profanity even more than usual. If you're not comfortable
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  Speaker 2: with this level of profanity, perhaps this isn't the episode
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  Speaker 2: for you. But we have many other episodes to choose
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  Speaker 2: from that do not feature Misty and will probably be
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  Speaker 2: far less offensive.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: With that having been said, on with the show.
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  Speaker 3: It's showtime, folks. Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 1: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 4: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 5: I am Misty.
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  Speaker 4: We are coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 4: the outskirts of Wonderfest.
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  Speaker 5: We're across the street.
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  Speaker 4: That's the outskirts.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 4: It's right there. We can see it.
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  Speaker 5: I can see the place.
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  Speaker 4: We're on the outskirts. So, we have once again returned
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  Speaker 4: to Wonderfest.
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  Speaker 5: How many years has it been now? 1,100.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh. It's a long time.
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  Speaker 5: It has been quite a long time. My mom has
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  Speaker 5: still never forgiven me.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if I would blame her.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, all the days in the year, and she picks
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  Speaker 5: the one day that George Romero was here to plan
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  Speaker 5: her fucking wedding.
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  Speaker 4: People can get married any day of the year.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: She's on that guy. She'll see him again later.
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  Speaker 1: They can get.
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  Speaker 4: Together and say I do's or whatever. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how these things go.
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  Speaker 5: But seriously, they just had their anniversary, obviously, since we're
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  Speaker 5: here again. Which is what's been like 15, 16 years.
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  Speaker 4: They totally kill it.
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  Speaker 5: They got married just a little bit later in the day.
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  Speaker 4: But yes, once again, it's a magical family reunion kind
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  Speaker 4: of thing. We feel very at home when we come
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  Speaker 4: back here every year.
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  Speaker 5: But it's good because I don't actually see anybody I know,
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  Speaker 5: so that's always a plus.
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  Speaker 4: That's true. You usually want to avoid most people you know.
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  Speaker 4: I do. I saw several people I knew, but I'm
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  Speaker 4: okay with those people. So, in our usual fashion, Misty.
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  Speaker 4: Have you seen anything lately?
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  Speaker 5: No, I have not.
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  Speaker 6: Nothing?
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  Speaker 5: I watched the first two episodes of the second season
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  Speaker 5: of Hemlock Grove.
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  Speaker 4: That's at least horror and genre-y and falls into our
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  Speaker 4: normal kind of thing.
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  Speaker 5: I remember vaguely liking the first season, but it's been...
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  Speaker 5: at least a year since I watched it. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: I'll watch it again. I don't remember. I guess it's
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  Speaker 5: been a year. I don't remember Bill Skarsgård being so
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  Speaker 5: damn whiny and just cried. I'm like, dude, come on,
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  Speaker 5: man up a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Ain't he got like werewolf problems?
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  Speaker 5: No, he is a Dracula.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no.
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  Speaker 4: He's Dracula.
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  Speaker 5: His empire. I don't like him. It's weird. They have
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  Speaker 5: their whole little thing, but he's the Dracula sort of.
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  Speaker 5: He had to drink blood, but, uh, Apparently he's going
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  Speaker 5: to be the new Pennywise.
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  Speaker 4: I think I'd read that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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  Speaker 4: That's the thing with It in general. The movie slash
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  Speaker 4: miniseries It. That's going to be the hard part to recreate.
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  Speaker 4: Tim Curry is Pennywise. He at least visually claimed that role.
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  Speaker 5: Are they going to recast the spider?
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody likes the last half of the thing. Everybody hates
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  Speaker 4: the wrap-up, and they always either totally forget about how
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  Speaker 4: silly it gets or make fun of how silly it gets.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even remember.
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  Speaker 5: I know I've seen parts of it, but I think
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  Speaker 5: I either did not watch the entire thing or I
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  Speaker 5: blocked that part out. The only part that I reference
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  Speaker 5: ever is the spider, and I don't even remember seeing it.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: It's like it's almost become the running joke because everybody knows, oh,
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  Speaker 4: and then it gets really dumb at the end. So,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's one of those, I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: it's such a holy thing that, oh gosh, you couldn't
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  Speaker 4: ever remake it. I think the other stuff. Maybe there's
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  Speaker 4: some clunkiness there that could be tightened up and made
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  Speaker 4: a little better and certainly modernized and maybe not made
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  Speaker 4: for TV. Are they making it for TV? I have
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  Speaker 4: no idea. Either way, I feel like there are things
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  Speaker 4: that you can do with it that it would benefit from.
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  Speaker 4: Pennywise is hard, though. I'm not saying it's impossible, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, he did such a good job. Maybe because
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  Speaker 4: Tim Curry, God bless him.
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  Speaker 1: I love that guy.
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  Speaker 4: He's so awesome.
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  Speaker 5: He ain't right.
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  Speaker 4: I listen to his music all the time. He's a
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  Speaker 4: weird dude. So you put him in clown makeup. Good Lord,
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  Speaker 4: he's a weird dude. So I'm like, yeah, he's a
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  Speaker 4: strange character. So that, I think, helped claim the character
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  Speaker 4: of Pennywise as well. If he were a normal kind
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  Speaker 4: of guy, you'd just be like, oh, it's a guy
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  Speaker 4: in clown makeup. But because he's Tim Curry and he's
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  Speaker 4: a little weird, and because we know he's Tim Curry
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  Speaker 4: and we've already seen him be weird in so many
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  Speaker 4: other things over the years, that makes it really hard
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  Speaker 4: to claim. I don't know. That's just my thoughts on it.
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  Speaker 4: But again, it's got potential. It could be done. It's
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  Speaker 4: an uphill battle for that guy.
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  Speaker 5: Bill Skarsgård. That's just not a cool name. Bill Skarsgård.
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  Speaker 4: Skarsgård' s pretty cool. That sounds like you're in the cast
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  Speaker 4: of Thor.
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  Speaker 5: Is that his dad? Are they related?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I know he's the brother of Erik Skarsgård.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds very Scandinavian.
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  Speaker 5: Who was from True Blood.
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  Speaker 1: Erik.
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  Speaker 5: They're brothers.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure they are. They are.
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  Speaker 5: So I was hoping it would be a little bit hotter.
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  Speaker 5: He's all right at some angles, but then sometimes you're like, whoa, dude, what?
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  Speaker 1: Hold on.
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  Speaker 5: Go back to the other angle. Because whatever you got
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  Speaker 5: going on here, make your hair a little different.
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  Speaker 4: Or like an alternate angle. I remember they used to
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  Speaker 4: have that. That was like a laser disc thing. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think they do that on DVD. I want an
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  Speaker 4: alternate angle on just anything I'm watching.
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  Speaker 3: Or life.
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  Speaker 5: I know, right?
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  Speaker 4: I want to alter my life with my remote control,
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  Speaker 4: but not be Adam Sandler. Anyway.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody wants to be Adam Sandler. I'm not even sure
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  Speaker 5: Adam Sandler wants to be Adam Sandler. He's stuck with
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  Speaker 5: that shit.
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  Speaker 4: Now they're just cranking out new bad movies straight to Netflix.
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  Speaker 4: Now they're coming out all the time. There's already another
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  Speaker 4: bad one. He just made the bad knockoff of Hateful Eight,
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  Speaker 4: and now there's some other new dumb one with David Spade.
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  Speaker 4: Poor David Spade. Like, a man that spent the rest
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  Speaker 4: of his life looking for a replacement for a guy
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  Speaker 4: that died, and he's never gonna find it.
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  Speaker 5: It was the funniest part of the duo.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, well, no offense. Like, again, I've
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  Speaker 4: seen interviews with David Spade, and it's like, you kind of, like,
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  Speaker 4: feel sorry for him.
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  Speaker 5: I don't feel sorry for that little fucker. I don't
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  Speaker 5: like him.
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  Speaker 4: But it's one of those, like, he comes off as
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  Speaker 4: a jackass, and it feels like it's also still kind
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  Speaker 4: of like a knee-jerk reaction of, like, nobody gets me,
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  Speaker 4: nobody likes me. I'm kind of short and weird looking, and, like...
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  Speaker 4: This is all I have. All I have is being
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  Speaker 4: a dick.
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  Speaker 7: Like, this is it.
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  Speaker 4: And it worked when I balanced it out with this
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  Speaker 4: one other guy who got me and now nobody gets me. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. It's a sad life. David Spadely making
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  Speaker 4: bad straight to Netflix movies with Adam Sandler. So, you
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  Speaker 4: mentioned Draculers.
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  Speaker 5: Draculers?
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of Draculers, we have an Instagram account.
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  Speaker 5: Holy shit, we have an Instagram account?
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  Speaker 4: We didn't know how to work it. I'm still pushing buttons.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like everybody's dad like can you make this
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  Speaker 4: thing work I'm like why is it it's just bad
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  Speaker 4: layout I don't know I think it could be I.
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  Speaker 5: Just started randomly pushing buttons and made something happen I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Know but eventually we took cool pictures so we took
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  Speaker 4: pictures if you just type in movie meltdown all one
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  Speaker 4: big word on the instagrams it'll take you right there
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  Speaker 4: and you can befriend us or follow us or whatever
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  Speaker 4: creepy term they use on instagram.
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  Speaker 5: Stalk us.
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  Speaker 4: Look at your pictures.
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  Speaker 5: Window peeper-ous. Fucking weirdos.
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  Speaker 4: But, yeah, at Wonderfest, we took pictures with some of
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  Speaker 4: these crazy models, and I'm eyeballing the Pee Wee Herman bike.
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  Speaker 5: I was going to snatch that shit up and take
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  Speaker 5: it off at the door. I could have taken that guard.
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  Speaker 5: I don't even care.
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  Speaker 4: You really could have. And then he wandered off.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 4: Like, when we got closer to it and started messing
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  Speaker 4: with taking pictures.
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  Speaker 5: He was luring me into a false sense of security.
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  Speaker 5: I know as soon as I grabbed my table off there,
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  Speaker 5: he'd have tasered my ass, and I'd be down and
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  Speaker 5: all twitchy and shit, and that's just not attractive. You
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  Speaker 5: can't be tased and be attractive.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I could have grabbed it and been like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to start a paper route right now. Just
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  Speaker 4: taking off on it. And then like, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: that you could put me away for that, right? Because
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  Speaker 4: I'm just, I'm at a geek festival.
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  Speaker 1: I'm recreating a geeky thing.
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  Speaker 4: That we're all, you know.
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  Speaker 5: You did caption the picture, it's not for sale, Francis, right?
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  Speaker 6: Damn it.
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  Speaker 5: How did you miss out on that opportunity? Did you
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  Speaker 5: post the picture?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: You didn't put that on there?
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  Speaker 4: I was working on it. I was more realistic. I
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  Speaker 4: was trying to figure out the payment plan on it.
• 9:12
  Speaker 4: How much is it to finance the Pee Wee Herman bike?
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  Speaker 4: Because I need to.
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  Speaker 5: I think Marlene is going to be jealous.
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  Speaker 4: You know she is. She should have come. Slacker that
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  Speaker 4: she is.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted the little E.T. setup they have there, which
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  Speaker 5: is also for Wookie C's on the Instagram.
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  Speaker 4: If you go stalk her on the Instagrams. Movie meltdown.
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  Speaker 6: One more.
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  Speaker 5: I did. I sat down there. I got down there
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  Speaker 5: with my mom.
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  Speaker 4: She's on the ground hanging out with E.T. phoning home.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to, like, get on my belly, but those
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  Speaker 5: floors are probably gross. I wanted to, like, put my
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  Speaker 5: chin on my hands and my little elbows on the ground,
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  Speaker 5: my little feet in the air, but I figured that would.
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  Speaker 4: Just be a little too far. You should have pigtailed
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  Speaker 4: yourself up like Gertie.
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  Speaker 5: I know. I've got revenge. I totally should have.
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  Speaker 4: I've taken the time.
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  Speaker 6: Damn it.
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  Speaker 5: As always, next year, as chances are, we'll be here.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure we will. If all goes right with the world,
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  Speaker 4: we'll be right.
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  Speaker 5: Back here i know making fun of people like i
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  Speaker 5: always do i always make fun of everybody in there i.
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  Speaker 4: Make fun of all the people we'll get back to
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  Speaker 4: that guy in a.
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  Speaker 5: Minute uh the smelly guy who had no boundaries like
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  Speaker 5: personal space Well, I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Again, this is like an extra level of geekdom here.
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  Speaker 5: Dude, he took it to another level of like, dude, seriously.
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  Speaker 5: There was almost physical contact and I am not okay
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  Speaker 5: with that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when we go out to conventions, different rules
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  Speaker 4: apply than in the real world. And these guys, and
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: that I might be including me, we don't get out much. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we don't understand the rules of society and humans.
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  Speaker 5: I saw a homeless person this morning on the way here.
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  Speaker 5: And I was going to tell you about it earlier,
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  Speaker 5: but I totally forgot. He looked homeless. I can't remember.
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  Speaker 5: He had to look. You know, he had like the scruffy.
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  Speaker 4: The look in his eye or the look of his.
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  Speaker 5: Everything.
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  Speaker 4: Appearance.
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  Speaker 5: Except for the booty shorts. But I'll get to that
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  Speaker 5: in a second. But yeah, he seriously had like the
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  Speaker 5: greasy mangy hair and the beard and the scruffy. And
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  Speaker 5: then he had the long sleeve flannel shirt. And then
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  Speaker 5: these little tight short black shorts.
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  Speaker 1: Like tight, tiny little shorts.
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  Speaker 5: And then like some boobs. I'm like, dude, you are
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  Speaker 5: sassy wherever you're going.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 4: He's probably not going anywhere. But I bet he's sassy.
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  Speaker 5: I know. I just heard one about the guy who
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  Speaker 5: had smelly issues earlier. I bet that guy probably smelled too.
• 11:20
  Speaker 5: Probably like an alcohol.
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  Speaker 4: I was talking about when we sat down to watch
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  Speaker 4: one of the many wonderful guests here and the dude
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  Speaker 4: started snoring.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. I was like, what the?
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  Speaker 5: I was snoring. I'm like, it's probably not loud enough
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  Speaker 5: for everybody to hear it, but I totally heard it.
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  Speaker 4: It was noticeable. At least a row or two in
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  Speaker 4: each direction. It was pretty noticeable.
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  Speaker 5: He's got his little napsy going on right there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: he was out. Oh, man.
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  Speaker 4: All right, I say right now we take our break,
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  Speaker 4: and then when we come back, we will talk with
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  Speaker 4: this week's guest.
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  Speaker 3: the family. Piping hot golden buttered popcorn.
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  Speaker 6: In the near future, in the shadow of Saturn's rings,
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  Speaker 6: stranded beneath the surface of the barren moon called Titan,
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  Speaker 6: scientists find the one thing they never expected.
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  Speaker 1: Is anybody here?
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  Speaker 4: Was expecting them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God!
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  Speaker 6: And suddenly, those who had traveled across the galaxy... had
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  Speaker 6: run out of space.
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  Speaker 5: Creature.
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  Speaker 7: We found someone's collection of life from all.
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  Speaker 1: Over the galaxy, like a child's butterfly collection.
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  Speaker 7: Only some of these butterflies are not so friendly.
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  Speaker 6: Who wants to keep us here?
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  Speaker 4: What's that? It's open one of the doors. This thing
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  Speaker 4: is using it for food.
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  Speaker 1: It's me, the Crypt Keeper.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm sipping out like it's time Screaming, screaming I'm
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  Speaker 7: living a lie There's a creature hiding inside of me
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  Speaker 7: Like it's the night with the cold at heart And
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  Speaker 7: the lust to sin So I shout it out I
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  Speaker 7: fight alone I hide it from the world If I
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  Speaker 7: let it out I don't know what I'll do There's
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  Speaker 7: a creature inside of me.
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  Speaker 4: Alright, so now let's talk with director William Malone, who's
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  Speaker 4: created quite a few movies over the years, but as
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: you'll hear, he's also got some other interests that led
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: him into filmmaking and quite a few interesting stories.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: This is William Malone.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: So I usually try to start early on and figure
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: out what got people to where they are and what
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: their interests were coming into the scene and then how
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: it led them to where they ended up so I
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: guess I always try to start early on and see
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: as a kid were you immediately interested in the arts
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: in general or were just drawn to film directly.
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: Well I mean you know for me I mean I
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: think I started my interest really was in having toys
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: that I could play with that I was interested in
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: and I got very interested in horror and science fiction
• 17:31
  Speaker 8: when I was a kid.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Now, when I was a kid, there weren't any toys.
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: You, you know, it was like maybe some stupid space
• 17:37
  Speaker 8: helmet that was made out of thin plastic.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: And there's a few of those universal monsters, maybe.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: No, actually they didn't.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Have those yet.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Some old ones on.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Those, but no, they didn't even have any of that stuff.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: So, um, it's rough for a kid.
• 17:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: It was really rough for a kid.
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: The only thing they had was like a couple of
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: things from, you know, uh, the space cadets or something
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: like that. But, um, You know, so I started actually
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: making my own toys out of clay.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: So when my parents would ask me what I want
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: for Christmas, I'd say clay.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: More clay.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, give me clay, you know.
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: So, you know, I remember making like a little Frankenstein
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: lab out of clay, you know.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I even borrowed somebody's like spark, what do they call it?
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: It was a.
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: Uh sort of this vibrating spark thing a little like
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: circular ones it was it was out of a uh
• 18:25
  Speaker 8: model t or something like that but it made a
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: nice little spark so i made a frankenstein with like
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: arcing to his neck and stuff pretty awesome i'd play
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: with that now so it was it was pretty fun but.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Were they painted to the point of painting yet no no.
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: Because it was clay yeah it was like oil-based clay
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: so you couldn't really do it yeah they were always
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: great but it was okay but i've made so many
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: like uh you know, Nautiluses from 20,000 Leagues and, you know,
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: Creature from the Black Lagoon and a ton of Robbie
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: the Robots on a lot of clay. So, you know,
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: but my interest in horror and science fiction really came
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: from my mom because I don't know what she was thinking,
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: but when I was, I don't know, I was barely
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: the height of a table and she took me to
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: see Creature from the Black Lagoon in 3D and, you know.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: And it scared the bejesus out of me.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Scarred for life.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: But I remember going home going, wow, that was cool.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: So that sort of got me started in my life
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: of film crime.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I think that's a good thing. We were just talking
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: about that last night with some other guys. And they
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: were talking about bringing their kids up. Eric Chu was
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: one of them. We were talking about bringing their kid
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: up and trying to decide what to show them. And
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: he was talking about wanting to almost chronologically bring them in.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Start with the old movies and start with the classics
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: and like ease them in through the fifties. And as
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: they get a little older, kind of work your way up.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Don't start it like stuff that other, you know, he
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: grew up with or something. Cause then it's, or it's
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: definitely not now. Cause you're like spoiled. So to just
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: kind of like.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: You don't want to start them with necro romance. Yeah.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Probably a little too head. I don't know. He's a
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: weird guy, but, but no, it's a, it is interesting.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Cause it, I think it's how all of us, the
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: monster kids that have come to it, have sort of
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: latched on. I think it's always one of those that's
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: a little frightening, but it's alluring. It brings you in.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: I was always identified with the monsters when I saw
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: the movies.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to be the hero. I wanted to
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: be the monster who carried the girl off.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: I think it's the misunderstood monster is how most of
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: those awkward kids feel at that point. Nobody gets me.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: I'm like Frankenstein. So I guess how long did it
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: stay at that phase? Because it was quite a while,
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: I guess, before you started professionally using those talents.
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, I started, uh, I guess I read,
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: you know, famous monsters, like a lot of the guys did. And, and,
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: you know, I watched, uh, watched the horror host shows
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: on television and stuff.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And they used to have the shock theater where I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: grew up, which they ran all the old universal stuff,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: And, uh, And so I started actually making masks, I think,
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: really pretty early. I think I was maybe 10 or
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: something when I actually started making masks. And I still
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: have actually the.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: First mask I ever made.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Out of what at that point?
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: Well, what I did was I saw pictures, I think,
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: of Bud Westmore putting moulage on somebody's face to make
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: the creature from the Black Lagoon.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't have moulage. I didn't know what the hell
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: that was. But I had... clay.
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: So I pressed clay on my face, poured plaster into it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: And then I sculpted over that, which was, you know, dodgy, but,
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: but it actually, you know, was able to make something.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: So the first stuff was of course, extremely crude, you know.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Pretty crafty for a kid though. Like I certainly better
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: than anything I would have been doing at that point.
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: But I remember, you know, by the time I was 14,
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: I was making foam rubber masks. Now, you know, In hindsight,
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: that was pretty adventuresome stuff for a 14-year-old kid. I
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: remember taking a foam rubber mask I made into the
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: art class at school, and they just looked at me
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: with this blank stare like, what?
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: And to get the materials at that point. Now kids
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: can go online and get whatever they want, but it
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: was probably a hard thing to track down and no
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: resources to do it.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I have to say that what I was doing
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: was I had found... I was great at doing research.
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: One of the things I did was I was always
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: grabbing the phone books out of the local library because
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: they had phone books from all over the United States.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: We might have to stop and explain to the kids
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: what phone books are.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Before the Googles.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: But the local library would have everybody's phone book from
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: all over the country.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: So I looked up Dick Smith. There he was in
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the phone book.
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: So I would write to Dick Smith. And because it
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: always had their address and their phone numbers. So I
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: wrote to him and he would send me like information
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: as to where to get it, where to get materials.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: He was very good to me.
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: And I also found Bud Westmore, head of makeup at Universal.
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: I wrote to him and in fact wound up talking
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: to him on the phone, which I have a recording.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: It's on the air on the Internet someplace.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I'm glad I'm not the only one, then, because thinking,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: as you said that, I was like, well, I was
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: oddly obsessed with, and it was an art thing, again,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: art geek, too, and I was like, Don Rosa, he
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: ended up doing pretty much the whole bulk of Unca
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Scrooge back in that mid-run there. He lived in this town,
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: and I think now he lives in Europe somewhere, but yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: at the time, he lived here and was working for
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: the local paper. And there I was, like, looking him
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: up in the phone book. And at one point, I
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: decided I needed to call and tell him I liked
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: his strip so much. I think he was just confused.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, okay, thanks. By the way, we're going
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: to stop running it in about four weeks. sorry about that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: And I was like, Oh, so yeah, as a child
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: looking up, I, so yeah, I kind of did that
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: same thing just with artists.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: So you, I mean, you do what you can do,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: And, and, uh, so I even, you know, like I said,
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: I called Bud Westmore up at his house, you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: and he was sort of, I think he was sort
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: of bemused that somebody, somebody would actually go to that
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: much trouble. So, but you know, he, he told me
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: where to get materials. And so I started getting materials and, uh, and,
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: and making stuff. And then, um, And pretty much that
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: was it until I always had dreams of coming to
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: Los Angeles. And so that's when I finally did it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: I finally was 19 years old, packed up, and.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Moved to L.A.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Were the parents okay with it?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: They were, actually.
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: Because I was a pretty adventuresome kid, so to them
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: it was just like.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Part and parcel.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: There he goes. We knew it was coming.
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: Right. and so anyway so so i came out and
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: actually um originally came out to be um to get
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: into music because i had a rock and roll band
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: you know as a lot of kids did at the time.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: And did that take as much interest or did they
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: start dividing as you got you know teenage years rock took.
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: Over maybe yeah rock and roll took over you know
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: pretty much from about i think about 16 years old
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: because the beatles came out and You know, I was
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: infatuated with that band and all that stuff. So, you know,
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: John Paltz will name Beatles.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: He'll tell you about it now.
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: Anyway, so when I came out to Los Angeles, you know,
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: I couldn't find three guys that were, you know, weren't
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: on drugs long enough.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: To actually show up to rehearsals.
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: So I just gave up on that and then got
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: a job at Don Poe Studios in the paint department
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: spraying paint. painting 300-line Frankensteins, which was their cheap Frankenstein mask.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Is that just something at the time you could go in,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: like they just needed people on the line?
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: They just needed people on the line, and I had
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: showed them some stuff that I had done, and so
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: they were, I guess, reasonably impressed with it. I actually
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: had made a complete foam rubber Pikmin's model costume from
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: the old Dark Girls Night Gallery thing, and that's what
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: I think impressed them. So they gave me a job
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: in the back painting 300-line Frankensteins.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And slowly over the time, I.
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: Was able to move up and eventually became the head
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: designer and vice president of the company.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: So that was cool.
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: But at the same time, I'd always dreamed of filmmaking.
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: Because I'd been making little.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Home movies like a lot of kids did at the time.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Super 8s.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Well, no, regular 8s. Original 8s. Yeah, regular 8s.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Even higher quality.
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so around 1980, I was getting about pretty toxic
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: from all the chemicals we were using at the studio.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: You would think they probably weren't super protective then at
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: that point.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Were they?
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: No, no.
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: I worked in this little office, you know, and I
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: used to sculpt lacquer thinner, you know, so it's like.
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: I started getting rashes on my body, and I said, no, no,
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: it's probably time to.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Get out of this.
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: Plus, we'd have guys come in, and they were directing movies,
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: and they'd always want terrible stuff.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: And I'd go, we can give you something really cool.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I'll design you something better. Your design looks horrible.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: So about 1980, I quit, took my savings, and mortgaged
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: the house and made a little horror film called Scared
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: to Death.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: So is that something you, I mean, did you find
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: the studio to back it or did you take it
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: out and like make it and then take it to
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: places and try to find distributors?
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: Well, what happened was this is of course a very
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: different era, you know, and they needed, they needed, the
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: studios needed product. Now this was, you know, there were
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: a lot of independent companies then. And, uh, I just,
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: I don't actually know how I wound up there. There
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: was a, I think I probably just looked again through
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: the phone book and there was a little company called
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: Lone Star Pictures.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: And anyway, I, um, I'd already raised the money because,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: like I said, I borrowed money and had friends and
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: stuff like that.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: They probably like that.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I've got my own funding.
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: And I went to this distributor saying, you know, I'm
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: going to make this movie. And because of the fact
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: I was saying, I'm making this movie, that was like
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: a big thing already. And they said, well, we'll pay
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: for all the post-production if you make the movie. make
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: the films i said okay good so.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: That's a huge portion yeah dealing with.
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: That yeah so made scared to death we shot it
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: it's uh about four weeks i think it was a
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: 20-day schedule and um i didn't.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Know enough not to do things you know.
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: Like i the script was all over the city day
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: night shooting you know it's like stuff you know stuff
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: you'd never want to do on a low budget But
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: we just did it because we didn't know any better.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: You hadn't done it before to know, oh, don't do
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: that again.
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: And Lone Star Pictures, Texas oil guys, paid for the
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: rest of it. And nobody could have been more shocked
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: than I was that the movie made number 16 on
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: the national charts.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: That's pretty impressive. Financing yourself and coming out of nowhere.
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: And we got our money back, which was, that was
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: a rare event right there. And we made a few dollars.
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: It wasn't a lot, but, you know, because the Texas
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: guys were dipping.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Make them happy. Well, that was very creature-oriented, I guess.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: You brought that to the table, just being the creature
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: guy that you were.
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: Well, the thing you have to do is when you're
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: making a low budget movie, you have to figure out
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: what you can bring to the party that's going to
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: make the film bigger than what somebody else.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Could do.
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: So in that case, I knew how to build monsters,
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: so I said, well, I'll make a monster movie, and
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: I can make a suit that probably would cost somebody
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: else $ 20, 000, $ 30, 000.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: So we did that.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Put what you can on the screen. Exactly.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: But it was the blind leading the blind. Nobody had
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the idea what we were doing.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Sure. So I guess that did that green light things
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: enough that it made it easier the next time out
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: or did it just, it's never easy.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: It's never easy.
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: And you know, the, the, the fact is if you're
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: a director and you're making feature films, you're lucky to
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: make a movie every three or four years, you know? And, uh,
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: so yeah, I mean, nobody was knocking on my door
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: after I made.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Scared to death.
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: So I, you know, got various jobs in fact, shooting
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: a camera for Disney cable and stuff like that. And, Uh,
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: and then I got a call from a friend of
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: mine who said that we know these, these crazy Israelis
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: and they want to make a, uh, they want to
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: make a movie like Alien.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: And I said, okay.
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: So, uh, that night I went home and actually painted
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: a painting of like, uh, you know, some ad art.
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: And I, I said, okay, this is how I'm going
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: to sell them. So I went in and, uh, pitched them,
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: you know, basically an Alien kind of, and I showed it,
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: and here's how you're going to sell the movie.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: This is the creature. Yeah, and they went, okay, we'll
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: make the movie.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: So it was very, because again, I know, I would
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: assume that's kind of how the business works. Everybody is
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: sort of just taking what's popular and trying to spin
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: it and make more money. So it was a very
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: out in the open thing of like, Alien made a
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: lot of money. We also want to make a lot
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: of money. So it's like it was kind of like
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: inspired by Alien.
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: And that's what still goes on today. Somebody makes a
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: big hit movie and.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Says, And sci-fi knocks off six of them before the
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: week's out.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: So back then it was little independent companies that did that,
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: you know.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, so, I mean, there was Creature, and I
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: think there was Inseminoid.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: There were so many. Parasite. Yeah, there was, like, so
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: many that jumped onto that little bandwagon.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: On that bandwagon, yeah.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, we went back, and it's been several years now,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: but watched Creature as a group. And it was funny,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: everybody just.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: It's a strange, mostly Klaus. And I've heard you address Klaus.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: The rest of it, you're trying to build your movie,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: and it does feel like somebody went, oh, yeah, and
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: look what we got. So put this in there somewhere.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: So you're like, oh, okay, hold on. Let me erase
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: some things and cram this weird guy in here.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Well, that's it.
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: Two weeks before we started shooting, the producer goes, Bill,
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: I want you to know we hired Klaus Kinski to
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: be on your movie.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: I don't have a place for Klaus. I don't think
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: the world has a place for Klaus Kinski.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was no character in there with Klaus.
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: So then I had to go back, and this is
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: like very quickly, obviously, writing in a character for Klaus.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: And I had heard that Klaus was insane.
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: And so I wrote this insane, you know, German commander.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Space madness. Yes, exactly. Keep that monkey away from me.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Watching it, I was like, did they? pay him or
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: like it seemed like that main scene that he's in
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: he's just eating the whole time i was like did
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: he just come to steal food from craft services like
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: he's just eating and talking and.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: It's classic like this is bullshit this is bullshit you
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: know that's all i said between takes you know so uh.
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: It seems like it would be rough to work with
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: yeah yeah that was a major major problem so yeah.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: But i mean at least i guess he was out
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: of the picture pretty quickly, like you did knock it
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: out in that one.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Well, we had him for a week. It was a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: week of hell.
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: And you've got to realize, this is my second movie ever,
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: and I'd never worked with stars.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was scared to death.
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: This was all unknowns. He was a star of sorts,
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: and he was going to make the most of it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: He was grabbing all the women and saying... Things.
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: Came out of his mouth that would embarrass a sailor.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: It was definitely.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Uh, an interesting event for me. So it was trial
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: by fire.
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: So, but you know, the good thing about that is
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: I knew after that I could deal with any actor.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: That's true. You've dealt with a few people. Yeah. As
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: the stories keep rolling out over the years, I'm like,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know if there's anybody worse than Klaus.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: He seems like a pretty horrible guy.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: For someone I don't know.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you, this is the perfect Klaus story.
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: So we're, we were, um, about to wrap up shooting,
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: and we got it, and the producers had set up
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: a luncheon at a place called Ma Maison, which was
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: like a very sort.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Of she-she, posh restaurant in Beverly Hills.
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: So we're all there having lunch, and Klaus shows up,
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: and he's got this girl that I swear if she
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: was over.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: 15, I'd be surprised. Me too.
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: So she got up to go to the restroom, and
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: I turned to Klaus, and I said, Klaus, where did
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: you get her?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, I hang around the schoolyards. And
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the way he said it, I knew he was telling
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: me the truth.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: That sounds like he's just being... No, that's not a joke.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: No, I don't want to know this.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: He's got a van somewhere with candy in the back.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, close.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, wow.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Klaus is dead now. The world is better off for it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: It says a lot.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't mind me saying that either.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: It says a lot that two of his three children
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: didn't show up to the funeral.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Probably, never mind. The two that didn't need to be there.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: So you escaped that. I guess the rest of the production,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: like you did, bring in some interesting actors and were
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: kind of, Trying to do, I think even you mentioned
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: having sort of a powerful female character worked in there.
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: Right, that was, you know, which I think Jim Cameron
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: knocked me off there. He came to the screening, actually,
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: of Creature in Beverly Hills when we were screening it
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: at a theater there.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: And Jim, I think, saw that and said, yeah, that's
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: a pretty good idea.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: I don't think I can get Simone from Pee Wee,
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: but maybe I can get that Ripley girl from the
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: other movie. But, yeah, it's definitely had to be quite
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: an experience. And I guess building those sets, I mean,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: at least the first movie was more or less on
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: the streets and you're shooting, but having to create a planet.
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, the entire budget of that film, I think,
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: was $ 750, 000. Now, we had to build 24 sets.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: There was two complete spaceships.
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: There was, like, the German ship and the American ship,
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: plus the planet surface, and... you know, uh, so that
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: was pretty ambitious for that kind of budget.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Reasonable budget.
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: But I worked with the art department.
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: We came up with some fairly clever schemes, I think,
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: where the, the, a lot of the set pieces could be,
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: were designed. So if you turn them upside down, they
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: looked completely different.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: So we just turned the Poseidon adventure.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: So we turned things upside down, repainted them and, and, uh,
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: brought in a few new pieces and stuff.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: And that's, you know, you do what you have to do.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: So it, it, it, I think worked pretty well. I'll
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: tell you a funny story though. You know, there's a
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: scene in the film where, where, uh, this actress of
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: Marie Loren, she, uh, uh, attacks this one guy out
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: on the planet surface and she's naked, right?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll give you, tell you how that happened.
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: We were, uh, that scene was actually originally supposed to
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: take place in one of the spaceships, but, um, we
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: were kind of behind schedule. So we just cut it
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: out of the script. And, uh, uh, Finally, I went
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: to the producer and said, we really need this scene.
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: They said, we've already torn down all the spaceship sets.
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: We could probably redo it out on the planet's surface.
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: They said, okay, you can do that. I went up
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: to Marie and said, Marie, this is what we're planning
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: on doing. She said, great, because I wanted to do
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: this scene.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: She said, I think I should do it naked. I'm
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: sure I went, uh, yeah, sure. That sounds good to me. Yeah.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Naked in space. That's one of my favorite novels.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: So anyway, that was creature.
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: And, um, again, you know, uh, I probably could have
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: made something out of that as for, for my career.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I was just too stupid to know how to do that.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Because it was, you never know.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Cause it made number eight in the, in the country.
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: It actually was extremely profitable. In fact, um, When I
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: went back and read the numbers, it was almost doing
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: Star Wars numbers. I mean, it was like in terms
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: of like the per screen average.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Well, and that definitely hit in the coming out into
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: the video era. And it's like that's one of those
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: like I saw on every shelf forever. Like it was
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: just the staple of every mom and pop video store
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: was Creature. So I was like, yeah, over the years,
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: I was like it had to like had a lot
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: of views that like, yeah, just people from, you know, there.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: There weren't as many movies out there. You just pick
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: up what you did at the video store. So I
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: think eventually everybody probably saw a creature.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a very successful film.
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: But then after that, I kind of decided I should
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: go back.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: And learn more about filmmaking.
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: So I went to UCLA and studied film at UCLA,
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: which turned out to be a really good thing on
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: a number of levels.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I wasn't studying film. I was mostly studying working with
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: actors because I really.
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: felt, you know, I'd been a photographer since I was
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: very young, you know, and I, yeah, and I thought, well.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: You know, it'd be good to know more about actors
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: and stuff.
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: So I studied a class and in that class were
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: a number of people who went on to like do
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: major things. And one of them was a guy named
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: Bill Froelich who went on to be the producer on
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: Freddy's Nightmares, and one day he called me up and said,
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: you want to come in and shoot some Freddy's?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: So I thought, well, that's great. So that was a
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: terrible show, but it was kind of good because the producers...
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: didn't care about the show.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: It gives you a lot of rain.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: So they just said, do whatever you want to do.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: So I said, great. So I went in and did
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a bunch of those.
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: And then that turned into another thing where a guy
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: named Gil Adler was on that show as a producer.
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: He later on went to become the producer on Tales
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: from the Crypt.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Which, again, I latched onto that one quite a bit.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: I think that's still a pretty fun series and brought
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: in some amazing talent and directors.
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, everybody was on that show, and they
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: were getting big-time people to come in and direct those episodes.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Thinking back, it's one of the first times it crossed
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: over into cable. The fact that HBO was banking that,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: more or less, it's like now you look at, that's
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: where all the stuff, that's where all the TV shows
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: are now is getting funded by cable networks and not
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: network television anymore. So it's, it's funny how early on,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: I guess that was that worked, I guess, planting that
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: seed for Sopranos would come along and revolutionize everything.
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: Well, and the thing about the, the, about HBO, uh,
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: was they didn't have anything like standards and practices.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: They didn't care, you know, you could do anything you wanted.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: That's what brought people in really. It's like, we've got nudity,
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: we've got language, come to HBO.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: So, uh, you know, so I went there and actually,
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: I really had no idea what you could do or
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: what you couldn't do, but I'd heard that, you know,
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: sort of freewheeling there. So, um, uh, the way I
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: got the job though, was it was like the sixth
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: season of Tales from the Crypt, and they pretty much
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: run through all of the good directors. So they said,
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: who can we get to direct? And Gil said, I
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: know this guy who likes horror movies. So they brought
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: me in on what they called The Bottle Show, which
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: if you don't know what that is.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: It's It's usually the cheapest episode of any series.
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: They always have one show that's called The Bottle Show,
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: which usually is like two people talking.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: In a room or something like that.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: It's very self-contained.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: It's cheap to make. So they gave me what they
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: called The Bottle Show. Apparently, they were extremely happy with
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: what I did.
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: It was an episode called Only Skin Deep.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Talia Thompson? No, that's the only Cindy. Oh, yeah, okay.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: There's two episodes, and it was very confusing.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: I was like, I know the title. No, that's the
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: other title.
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: No, mine was with Sherry Rose and Peter Onorati were
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: the actors. It's about a girl who looks like she's
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: wearing a mask, and he goes to a party.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. Again, at some point, I got through
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: all of them, so I'm sure.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I watched it.
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: But anyway, so yeah, that got great reviews, got nominated
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: for a Cable Ace Award. And so the producers wanted
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: me to come back and do more, so I did
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: another Tales from the Crypt and then went off to
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: England to do their show, Perversions.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: No, that was Tales from the Crypt.
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: Then I came back and did an episode of Perversions
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: of Science, which was the science fiction version of Tales
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: from the Crypt. That was great because I worked with
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: David Warner, who I always wanted to work with.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: That's pretty handsome right there.
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: And Ron Perlman and Jeff Combs, and that's where I
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: hooked up with Jeff. And then I was offered a
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: movie for TV, and then they called me and said, well,
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: we're developing the William Castle catalog, and we want to
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: do a remake of House on Haunted Hill.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Would you be interested in developing it?
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Was that the first one in that run?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: It was the first.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: The Haunting came out right before that, which wasn't... But
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: it was kind of like they were all kind of
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: trying to hurry up and remake the old movies and.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Get it out there. Well, actually, I was kind of
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: annoyed by The Haunting. Here's why.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: It's got problems.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Well, no. I was annoyed because... And this happened to
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: me a couple times. I don't know. It's like Spielberg's
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: company is after me or something. Do you hear Jean Devon?
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Because we started before they did.
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: Because we announced House on Haunted Hill, and they suddenly went, oh, well,
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: let's do the Haunted.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: We're going to do the Haunted. And because they had
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: more money, they just threw money at it and got
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: it out quicker.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: It looks like they threw money at it is the problem.
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: It's got issues.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: And I always thought that House on Haunted Hill would
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: have done even that much better. It was a huge hit.
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: It would have been even bigger, I think, had.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: People not gotten burned by the last Ghost movie. Exactly, yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: So, but anyway.
• 44:10
  Speaker 8: So I shot House on Haunted Hill, which was done
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: up in Santa Clarita.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Here's what was weird.
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: Warner Brothers movie, done by Warner Brothers, they told us
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: we couldn't afford the shoot.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: On their lot. And I went, wait a minute.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Those are two different departments.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I said, it's your movie. How can I not afford
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the shot in the lot?
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: There's somebody sitting in another office somewhere going, we're going
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: to have to charge you on our own lot.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: It's like, Lord, I don't understand.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Well, that coming from the castle catalog there, is it,
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: did you have specific ties to that or had they
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: just been like, we're going to do our own thing?
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Or did you feel like you had to live up
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: to that crazy William Castle appeal and approach to everything.
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: Well terry castle was actually one of the producers on
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: it that was his.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Daughter yeah she kind of spearheaded that.
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: Right and and uh so she was on the set
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: but i really felt you know i liked house on.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Haunted hill i liked the vincent price.
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: Movie and i and i and i knew that that
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: the audiences and the fans were going to be like
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: ready to burn me you know if uh You know,
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: if we didn't live up to something.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: It's a dodgy situation there. You can go either way.
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: And this first script that came in, which I had
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: nothing to do with, I read it and I said,
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: this is terrible.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: We can't make this.
• 45:32
  Speaker 8: And the studio felt the same way and they were
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: going to cancel the picture. And I said, wait a minute,
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: let me see if I can save this. So I
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: got together with the writer and I said, let's go
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: and watch the original House on Haunted Hill. And let's
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: take some notes and figure out everything we like about it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: And so that's what we did, and we tried to
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: incorporate as much of the original story as possible, but
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: still find places to make it spin. And for me,
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: as a kid, the thing I remembered, I was disappointed,
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: was that there was no real ghosts. I said, so
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: this time we're going to have real ghosts, and the
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: characters in the film will be confused as to whether
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: or not, you know, are these ghosts real, or is
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: this something that Price is doing, so.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: And you need a sheet on a string to come
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: out in the theater.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: In the middle. Emerge-o. Yeah, we needed Emerge-o.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Shocking seats. And you need to work in some good gimmicks.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: That just doesn't take off like it used to back then.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, I mean, but that was a cool movie
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: And turned out pretty well. Again, bringing that cast together, too.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: You know, but there's things you get stuck with.
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: When you're making a picture for the studios, there's always
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: things you go, Yeah, I don't really want to do this.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: And they go, okay, no, you have to do this.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: We're the ones backing all this, so your hands are
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: tied at that point.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: There weren't any talking ghosts in the end of the
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: movie originally. That was something I got stuck with. Oh, no.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Is that sort of thing the kind of stuff that
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: makes you want to? I really don't want to make
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: a movie for a while. Is it so frustrating kind
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: of dealing with studio for screens?
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: Well, after a while, it's like you can do it
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: for a while and then suddenly you just kind of go, God,
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: I don't want to do this anymore.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Which I think is what led me to.
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: Making my own film, Parasomnia. I said, I want to
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: make my movie the way I want to make it.
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: And I had a little taste of that with Masters
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: of Horror, the TV series, which were hour-long shows. and
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: there the whole premise of the show was let the
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: filmmaker make whatever they want to make as long as
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: they come in on time and on budget.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Actually, a couple of weeks back I had Mick Garris on.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: That was kind of what I was asking him. Because
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: he's done a ton of TV and sometimes one-off TV.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: At least yours were a lot more self-contained. But coming
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: into a pre-existing series, and still trying to run it
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: as director and sort of put your own stamp on
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: it and give it your own artistic flair, but being
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: part of a bigger series. Is that something that you
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: found challenging?
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: If you're doing a TV series that's like, I don't
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: know if you're doing Penny Dreadful or if you're doing
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: something like that.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Running storyline.
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they don't want you to come in and recreate
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: their TV show, which is understandable.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: The showrunner kind of runs more than the director, I guess.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: I mean, most television shows, the director's actually kind of
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: the low man on the tone.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, literally, the caterer could get you fired.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: That's not good at all.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Craft services will be held at 6 p.m. for the mourners.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: These crab puffs are terrible. You're out of here.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: Well, then, I guess you mentioned going in and making
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: your own. Was it something that you... Like started from
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: scratch and went in and even back to finding the
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: funding for?
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: Well, actually, I broke the first rule of filmmaking, which
• 48:54
  Speaker 8: is never finance your own movies.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I actually, a friend of mine had been.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Tell that to George, Luke.
• 49:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, a friend of mine had been bugging me for
• 49:04
  Speaker 8: a number of years. In fact, he was involved in
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: Scared to Death and said, let's make another movie. And,
• 49:09
  Speaker 8: you know, he was doing really well at that point
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: and said, you know, I'll put up half the budget
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: and if you put up half the budget, so.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: So we put up.
• 49:17
  Speaker 8: A lot of money and then when out and made,
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: made a Paris Omnia. Now what happened sadly for us
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: was that in that interim, by the time we started it,
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: when we started, if you made a movie for under
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: a million dollars or somewhere around that budget, you were
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: pretty much guaranteed of getting your money back.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: That changed over the course of the time that we
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: were making the film.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: A very short amount of time when everything shifted in
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: the industry.
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: And by the time we'd finished the film, which it
• 49:45
  Speaker 8: took us almost two years to finish the film because
• 49:47
  Speaker 8: it had like 150 effect shots and all that stuff,
• 49:52
  Speaker 8: the landscape of filmmaking completely changed and we basically lost
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: all of our money. to piracy and a bunch of
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: other things.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: Another weird new aspect that nobody saw coming.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: But I'm still happy I made it because I'm still
• 50:08
  Speaker 8: proud of the film.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Is it one of those trying to find a way
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: to get it out? I was trying to remember the
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: time frame as it's coming out. Is it like now
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: there's no distribution where there used to be?
• 50:18
  Speaker 8: Well, there's plenty of people calling us up saying they
• 50:20
  Speaker 8: want to distribute the movie, but the difference had changed
• 50:23
  Speaker 8: where No, give us the movie.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: No, we don't want to pay you. Give us the movie.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of across the board anymore. It's like
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: that's the way everybody does it.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I went to him.
• 50:32
  Speaker 8: I said, I'll tell you what, I will give you
• 50:34
  Speaker 8: my movie if we can go down to the local
• 50:37
  Speaker 8: Rolls-Royce dealer, and if he'll give us a Rolls-Royce for free,
• 50:41
  Speaker 8: I said, I'll be glad to give you the movie.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Well, I guess, again, I was going to ask, because
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: I think I heard you say, like, people come up
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: to you now and, like, up-and-coming filmmakers, and like, give
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: me some advice, and you were like, I don't know.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: So is it one of those, if you were coming
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: into the scene now, would you even want to be
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: a filmmaker?
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think I would, honestly.
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: I think, I feel really sorry for people who want
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: to be in the film business now, because like, I
• 51:07
  Speaker 8: don't even know how you would make inroads into that,
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: because the truth is, I mean, as you know, there's
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: no there's no films between a hundred thousand and a
• 51:17
  Speaker 8: hundred million.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: It's all, yeah. There's no middle ground anymore. It's super
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: indie shot on your iPhone or tent pole release for
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: the summer.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: And that's it.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: And you realize how many of those tent pole movies
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: get made.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: You know, and even a few of those tank before
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: the summer's out.
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: So also if you look, if you follow like directors,
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: you know, most directors make one movie and that's, you
• 51:42
  Speaker 8: never see them again.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: You know, There are quite a few that, yeah, you'll
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: look up and be like, what else? Oh, this was it.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: That's it? Yeah.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: So it broke.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Them, basically.
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a really sad state of affairs. And I
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: don't see how it's going to change.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: I think it's all right artistically. I think just not
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: as a business. So it's one of those, if you
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: just want to make films because you want to get
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: together with your friends and make a film, there's such
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: decent technology available to you now. That's great, and you
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: can do that. And I've seen some pretty impressive stuff
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: that people shot out of pocket with equipment that they had,
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: make their own special effects. There's a lot of really
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: bad stuff, too. But if you hit the right person,
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: they can put together a really good thing, but then
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: there's nothing to do with it. And even if you
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: distribute it out there, you're still not going to make
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: anything out of it. So that's where it used to be. Eventually,
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: you'll come back around, you'll get your money back, you'll
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: come out ahead. I don't know that we're getting to
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: that point, or we've already passed that point, maybe.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: I mean, as far as feature films, I think I'm
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: at a point now where I'm just going to go
• 52:45
  Speaker 8: make stuff that I want to make just for the
• 52:47
  Speaker 8: sake of making it, and that's it. I mean, I
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: have no expectations of making any money off of it.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's kind of what the internet has become.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: It's just, in a sad way, it's a dumping ground,
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: but it's the same way. It's whatever you make, you
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: can at least get out there to people, and if
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: you have fans, they can find it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: It's good and bad. It allows way too much junk
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: to be thrown at people, but at the same time,
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: it gives you an avenue, even if it's not a
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: profitable avenue. Artistically, you can make whatever you want to make,
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: so that's kind of awesome.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's good, particularly if your parents have a
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: lot of money.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: I'm still waiting for that to kick in. Are you
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: guys just hiding it? What's the deal?
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Mom, Dad, cough in some money here.
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: Well, then, I guess.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: we skipped over early stuff that i at least wanted
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: to uh address the robbie you i've always loved robbie
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: the robot as far back as i can remember and
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: i think you trumped me by far so i guess
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: like what was because you said you were modeling him
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: earlier i guess what was that first time you remember
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: seeing robbie the robot.
• 53:50
  Speaker 8: Well i remember i grew up in lansing michigan i
• 53:53
  Speaker 8: remember that um I think I saw some promos for
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: Forbidden Planet. I think it was like this Perry Como
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: show or something like that. And they had Robbie the Robot.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: And I thought, that's cool. And I.
• 54:06
  Speaker 8: Remember that my parents took me to the Gladmer Theater
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: in Lansing. And I remember the flying saucer coming over
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: at the beginning and that music, that electronic tone out.
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: And then when Robbie stepped out onto the screen, I
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: was hooked.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: And I said, this is the best thing ever. And
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: it's funny because, you know, that movie is such a
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: literate film. Yeah. And it's very slow-paced. But as a kid,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I was totally entranced.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: It's like it makes up for it another. Like you said,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: the sound design, like the noises that come into play
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: there or the color scheme that they work in is
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: like it's all so, again, it's alluring. Like it brings
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: you in in ways that maybe the slow pace would
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: turn you off. But the other stuff is so intoxicating.
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: I think that was the genius of it. I mean,
• 54:52
  Speaker 8: and I feel kind of sad for young people. you know,
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: audiences because, I mean, that was a very, like I said,
• 54:59
  Speaker 8: you know, intelligent film and it didn't talk.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it didn't talk down to the audience. No.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: It didn't really dumb it down for, again, which was
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: probably a relatively unsophisticated crowd going to the matinees to
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: see a sci-fi movie. Like it could have been really dumb,
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: but it's not.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: And that's why you needed Robbie the Robot in there
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: because the kids are going to love Robbie the Robot.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: The adults are going to love the ideas in the film. Yeah.
• 55:24
  Speaker 8: And yeah, I taught film for a short period, for
• 55:29
  Speaker 8: about a year in Los Angeles. And I used to
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: tell the students, I said, every movie needs Robbie the Robot.
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: And I was being serious. I don't mean that you
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: need that guy. But what Robbie did for Forbidden Planet
• 55:42
  Speaker 8: was every time he was in a scene, your eyes
• 55:44
  Speaker 8: were glued to him.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: He stole the show.
• 55:47
  Speaker 8: And if you're a filmmaker, you need something that's like that,
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: that that even if it's just sitting there, you can't
• 55:53
  Speaker 8: help but look at it.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: There's still, yeah, there's quite a few movies that I'll
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: be like, it wouldn't be the same without this one character,
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: this one scene. So, yeah, it kind of has that.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: A set or something that sucks.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: You in every time. But then you, so, at that point,
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: I guess you didn't imagine you would, somewhere down the line,
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: have yourself a Robbie the Ripper. Well, and the Robbie
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: the Robot. The, not just A.
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you know, if I were to tell
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: Bill Malone at age 10 that.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: He was going to own Robbie the Robot someday, my
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: brain would have melted. You know, yeah, because... that was
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: such a iconic thing.
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: And to this day, it's, I, I don't know how
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: many pictures I sketched of Robbie when I was a kid.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a few for me too. I mean,
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: thinking like there's few robots in, in, you know, of
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: all of sci-fi that are that identifiable, like almost other
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: than maybe R2D2 now, like there's very few that like
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: just anybody on the street, arguably different countries. Like it's trans,
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: it's just kind of gone so far into the world
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: that pop culture is.
• 57:00
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, the thing about Robbie is he's actually
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: such an icon that more people know Robbie the Robot
• 57:06
  Speaker 8: than know Forbidden Planet.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure. They could name, even if they didn't
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: know the name, they would know him, they would recognize him,
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: but I bet a fraction of normal, you know, here,
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: you don't have a problem. We're in the middle of geekiness, but,
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: you know, out in the real world, I bet most
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: people I know aren't familiar enough with Forbidden Planet to
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: know which movie is which. They're like, is that the
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: one with the big shiny silver guy? No, that's Day
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: of the Earth. You know, they'd They'll kind of confuse
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: all their sci-fi stuff.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: But if they saw a picture, oh, I know that guy.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: He holds girls in his arms. Well, I mean, kind of,
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: but that's not really the, never mind. So you did
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: start making your own first off, and then eventually.
• 57:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and when I got a chance to see the
• 57:51
  Speaker 8: original Robbie, which was in a museum in Buena Park,
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: I was fascinated, and I said.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: And stupidly, I looked at it and said, well, I
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: can build that.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: Again, always ambitious.
• 58:04
  Speaker 8: So I spent the next two years building a replica,
• 58:06
  Speaker 8: and all my friends thought I was nuts. But what
• 58:10
  Speaker 8: was good, as soon as I finished building it, which
• 58:12
  Speaker 8: I built the first replica there was of Robbie, as
• 58:16
  Speaker 8: soon as I got done with it, I started renting
• 58:18
  Speaker 8: them out. People called and said, can I build it?
• 58:20
  Speaker 8: So I started making money off of it. And then
• 58:22
  Speaker 8: my friends kind of went, oh, maybe this wasn't such
• 58:24
  Speaker 8: a bad idea.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: Where was he going to? Like Hollywood events or like
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: people's parties?
• 58:29
  Speaker 8: No, Hollywood events, you know, and the Halloween shows and
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: then TV shows ultimately rented him to Mork and Mindy.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: I remember him in some form turning up on a
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: lot of TV shows.
• 58:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so pretty much anything you see in the 70s
• 58:43
  Speaker 8: that was Robbie was mine.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: You know, cause the original was in the museum at
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: that point.
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: And then around 1980, that museum folded and a friend,
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: a friend of mine called me up and said, if
• 58:54
  Speaker 8: you want Robbie, get your ass down here because they're
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: selling everything in the place. And I, I'm sure that
• 59:00
  Speaker 8: he didn't get the words out.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: For the phone dropped and I was speeding in my
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: car down there.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: Robbie, I'm on my way!
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: So, you know, so I.
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: Bought him, and he needed a little restoration, so I
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: did some resto work on him, and, you know, and I've,
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: you know, had him ever since, and, you know.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Talk to him every day.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see him every morning, we sit and have coffee.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: That's the way to start the day, really.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: Coffee with Robbie the robot.
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: There you go.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Well, and then I guess one of the other claims
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: to fame uh are you saying you made the first
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: and only michael myers mask is that the story.
• 59:38
  Speaker 8: Well no here's what happened is i was working for
• 59:40
  Speaker 8: don poe studios this is in the 70s and um
• 59:45
  Speaker 8: uh we uh got licenses from various companies we had
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: the universal license for the monsters and stuff and then
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: um I sort of got the notion that Universal probably
• 59:56
  Speaker 8: was going to pull the plug on us. And even
• 59:58
  Speaker 8: if they didn't, the idea of having only one supplier
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 8: was probably a bad idea. So I said, we need
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 8: to get licenses from other companies. So we got the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 8: license from 20th Century Fox or the Planet of the Apes.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 8: And they actually approached us and said, well, we.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Want you to do the Star Trek characters. You know, Mr. Spock,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Captain Kirk.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 8: And we got it. our interest in it was for
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 8: the monsters. We said, well, great, because we want the vampire.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 8: We don't care about Captain Kirk and Mr.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Spock.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: Nobody wants to wear that.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: But we want the Goron.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Goron everybody wants.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so we said, okay, we'll get the license. And
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: they said, well, you have to do Captain Kirk and Mr.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Spock.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I said, okay.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 8: So we got life casts of them, and those were
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: the basis of making those two characters. And then they
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: were out for about a year or something like that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 8: when John Carpenter and his crew came in and said, well,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 8: we want a Captain Kirk mask painted white.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: Do we know why he picked that?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: That's very strange.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I guess because it was kind of a bland character.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, it is just a generic looking face once
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: you take the character out of it. It's just kind
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: of an odd shaped face, I guess. Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, so, and they said, spray the
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 8: hair black, which we did. Now, see, everyone says that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 8: I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm telling you
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: it was black.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: I sprayed it myself. It was black.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I have pictures of it. When we delivered it, it
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: was black.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 8: And if you watch Halloween, it's actually black through most
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: of the film. It's only at the very end that
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 8: it's kind of gone into this blonde color. It's because
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 8: the black that we sprayed in it by that time.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Had come out.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: It's all falling apart.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: But if you look at the earlier scenes in the film,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: it's actually black.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: It's a different, yeah.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: The black and white seems like, again, it's a different
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: direction to go with that. But yeah, that's, so it's
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: all you're doing.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, I had no idea it was going
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: to be any kind of, you know, it was.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: Like, okay.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: Little, yeah, little did we know what would happen. And
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: they're making another one even now. Like this many years later,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: they're still working that same.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Gosh. You know, a lot of sequels,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: you just go leave it alone and just, you know.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: And on that, don't know like after the zombie wins
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: i was just like you're not even making halloween movies
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: anymore like that second one i was like i don't
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: mind it but i'm like it's not halloween at all
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: like it's just a guy he's not even wearing the
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: mask most of the movie i'm like he's just a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: big thug out in the woods like killing people which
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: i'm fine just make that movie like write yourself your
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: own story like i don't understand the i do it's
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: financial it's branding but I'm just like, Rob Zombie, you've
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: got enough pull at this point to just go make
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: your own killer. Why do you want to keep messing
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: with Michael Myers?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: It's very strange.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 8: Well, at some point you've got to realize people come
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 8: to you and say, well, we'll give you money to
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: make this.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: I don't blame them. I'd cash those checks too.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: And that's sort of the misunderstanding about filmmaking. A lot
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 8: of people think you go make what movies you want
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 8: to make, but no, you make what movies there's money for.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: You know, and you always have your projects.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: I've had tons of projects I thought were going to
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 8: be huge, but I couldn't get anybody interested in them.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: It's like I had a project with H.R.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 8: Giger called The Mirror, you know, which was going to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: be a Giger fest. I was going to build all
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: this stuff full size.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: You know, and I spent, you know, a number of
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: weeks with Giger.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: And we had a couple different projects that, you know,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: would have been completely different, you know, or in some
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 8: cases didn't get made at all, so.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: What was he like as another crazy foreign man? But
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: he always seemed like he met well with it. As
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: strange and creepy as he was in his artwork, it
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: seemed like he had a purpose for it all.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: He was actually very organized.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 8: He was not crazy at all, except maybe in his head.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: In the artwork. Yeah, I mean, he was very... very focused.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: He had to be methodical almost to get that stuff made.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: I mean, the worst thing that he did was his
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: own health because he would sit in these dark rooms
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 8: and spray with an airbrush with no ventilation.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Not a good idea. Yeah, and I remember going to
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Giger and going, you know, don't do that.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: Get a mask.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You're going to kill yourself.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: You know, I guess the fact that he made it
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: as long as he did, it's pretty impressive, but.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 8: You can see actually, and there's a, some footage of
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: him later at the, towards the end of his life.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, he probably.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 8: Had brain damage from, from, or, you know, Parkinson's or something.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. From those fumes, you know, so he did a
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: lot of airbrush.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you a story.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: I was in Zurich with him and he had a,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 8: He had so many paintings. He would have them stacked
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: maybe 10 deep on his walls. And there was this
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 8: giant painting and there was these holes in the painting
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 8: and some stains. I said, Giger, somebody damaged your painting here.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 8: And he goes, oh no, that's from my girlfriend. She
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 8: blew her brains out, you know. And turns out, in fact,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 8: his girlfriend shot herself in front of the painting, and
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 8: he left it in as part of the.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: I kind of remember hearing that that happened, but yeah,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: I didn't know there was a painting that hung around afterwards.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: And he took it pretty lightly, it sounds like. Or
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: at least by that time.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 8: No, I think he was sort of philosophical about it,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 8: but I think he was very devastated by it.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: But just, again, that you can... that's such a weird
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: character that you can just adjust to that much to, no,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: that's a survivor, I guess. You just, you roll with
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: the things life throws at you.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: A great artist, though.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, he's amazing. Yeah, I wish, as much as he had,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: I still kind of wish I could see him do
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: his take on stuff now. Like, I feel like it's
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: a shame he didn't get to, especially in movies. Like,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: as much as he infiltrated into the movie system, I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: would have liked to see him put his stamp on
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: more stuff, really.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Well, like I say, I mean, this was
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: going to be a gig or fest.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 8: It was going to like, we're going to build those
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 8: things full size and make.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Some really cool stuff.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 8: But, you know, I think the studios were afraid of
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 8: the sexuality of his paintings and stuff like that. So
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 8: we weren't able to actually get the money for it.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 8: Came very close a couple of times getting that movie made.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: Is there still reason that you would want to do
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: it without having him like help guide it? Or is
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: it something you would return to?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: I think I would still make it.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 8: In fact, I think it'd probably be, better to make
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 8: it now probably than when we were planning on making
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 8: it because I think it would be a sensational film
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 8: and and with his passing I think people would have.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: A new appreciation for it probably.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: And you know I spent enough time with him and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 8: understand how he works I think that I could hopefully
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 8: do some justice to his his vision at least I
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 8: would because I'm very much into keeping things the way
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 8: yeah you.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: Know and it's yeah he was amazing yeah So I
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: would see it.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: Well, I guess that's– I threw that out there as
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: the potential option. Is there anything you're actually working on
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: that you want to tell people about or have them
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: find you somewhere?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 8: Well, I am working on several things. I'm always– hesitant
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 8: to mention them because i think that's.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: The hollywood way actually i am and i'm not telling you.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 8: About them well it's mainly just because it's kind of
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: puts a curse.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: On stuff i do that myself i i usually don't
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: discuss the next things coming up on the show till
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: they're done because i will jinx myself.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 8: Every time exactly so uh yes i am working on something.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: But yeah Do they need to find you online?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: I'm on Facebook. I'll be honest, I don't spend a
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: lot of time on there.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: It's probably for the best, really.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do check in every week or so. Just
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: because it takes up too much time.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: I agree. I spend more time on there than I
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: need to. But no, that was great. Thank you for
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: sending that one.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: Well, thank you so much for having me on the show.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: No problem. Appreciate it.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: I thought I bought shit. I bought all kinds of shit.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: You're always buying shit.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: I bought shit I probably didn't even need. I bought
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: way more Ren and Stimpy comic books than any person
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: probably actually needs to own in their life.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: The sad thing is I looked at you stacking them
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: over there and go, I have those at home. I'm
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: pretty sure I got It might have been the whole
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: first year of that. Because as you were pulling out
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: different covers, I was like, yeah, that looks familiar. Again,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: it was towards the tail end when I wasn't even
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: reading stuff anymore, so I just kept buying the new
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: series that I was buying. I don't know how far
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: I even got into reading them, but I think I
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: got pretty far. You didn't read them.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: You just looked at the pictures.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: I don't like pictures, but yeah.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: It reminds me of the magazine that you bought from
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: the same one that I bought stuff from.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: The only thing I bought.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: You bought two things.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: Well, at that place, the only thing I bought was
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: magazines with young girls on the cover. Hell yeah. I
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: didn't realize that until I'm standing there. waiting to pay,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, I'm creepy. You're the creepiest.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: Even creepier that I already had at least one of them.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're also creepy. But we knew that, too.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: Can't help it. Dominique Swain from Lolita was fucking hot.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: Dominique Swain is awesome. I want to hang out with
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: her now.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: I don't know what she's like now.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: No, she makes bad... What was that one? It was
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: an asylum movie. I guess one is the same as
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: the other. But yeah, it was some sort of asylum movie.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: And she was adorable in it. And man, it was
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: a terrible movie. So yeah, she's still out there. She's
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: still working hard.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: She's already got me for life from Girl. I swear
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: to God.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: Not the smokers?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: No, Girl.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: Girl was awesome. I remember not being thrilled with the smokers,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: and once again, it was not her fault. There were
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: some weird writing issues going on in that one.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: Girl, that's what it's all about.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: We went through quite a run of Dominique. She was badass,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: and still is.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: I would highly recommend Girl to anybody who has not
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: seen it, especially if you like Sean Patrick Flannery, back
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: when his face actually moved. And he's pretending to sing,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: which is weird, because he actually does have some CDs
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: out there, and apparently the producers were like, whoa, no, no. No, dude,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: we're going to get somebody else to sing for you.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: And the songs in there are really good.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: It's not John Patrick Flannery actually singing them.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: That's probably why. Because I think you've sent me over
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: links of his YouTube clips of him, his album cuts
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: in there.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: I've got his import CDs from the Japan area.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: On purpose?
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: Dude, yeah. Have you seen them? They're magical. He's doing
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: this weird thing with an eight ball up his shirt
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: coming out the neck hole. I'm like, dude, what are
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: you even doing? Who okayed this?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I wonder that about a lot of
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: different celebrity activities.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: I thought about taking him next time we see him
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: at a convention and having him sign it to see
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: if he goes, what the fuck?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: He's like, I don't even remember doing this. Why do
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: you have one?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: I've got the mini CD. Is it Mini Monster Truck Weekend?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: The mini CD. It's like this big.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: I have a couple of those.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: And then I have the full length CD. Which I
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: think has like a Cure cover.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: On it or something. Awesome.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: It could be some other band that I make fun
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: of equally as much as I don't like the Cure.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: I've never liked the Cure. Fuck the Cure.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: Some other stuff is good.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: No, it's not.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: Not that weird Whiny Monday song.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: I hate that song. I want to punch it. If
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: I could punch a song in the face.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: I'd let you punch that one. Boys Don't Cry is awesome,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: but fuck that one.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 8: But, uh.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I bought comic books. I bought like 17 Ren
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: and Stimpy comic books, a Ghosts one, and some other
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: shit about haunted stuff. Everybody knows I love me some
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: haunted shit from the 70s.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: I bought like an illustrated guide to horror movies, but
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: it's probably like 30 years old, so it's massively dated.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: But what does it have?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: Your information is not going to be up to date.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Pictures.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: Lots of pictures. So luckily I don't have to read nothing,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: but I can look at pictures of old horror movies,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: which is really what I want to do. And it's
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: got a monster face on the front.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: I can't argue with that. I went to the book
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: sale at the library before I went to this. I
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: bought books of myself. Oh, more little thingies. Dune buggies.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: But I bought like six Ray Bradbury books today.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Those are awesome.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: They all have old school covers. They all have awesome.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: Covers because they're all older versions. And I was super
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: excited about that. And even more exciting was they were
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: only 50 cents because it was the library's book sale.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: And I love the library book sale more than most
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: people in my life.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: I guess I'm not surprised by that statement. I do
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: know you.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: So, yeah.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: Then I went to the health fair, which I'm sure
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: anybody from last year or anybody who's listened to the
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: Wonderfest Spectacular would hear because it's usually the same day
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: as the health fair.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: It's really weird, too, because I don't know that they
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: plan this together, but why does it always hit on
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: the same day?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: Because I guess it's always the first Sunday or the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: first weekend of the after memorial.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: Whatever it is, it's always the same set weekend.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: Very strange.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: But anyway, so I got free shit. But this is
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: the first year I had to go by myself.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Uh-oh.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: Luckily, this year, this is the first year they've also
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: changed it from the men's health fair to the community
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: health fair. So I didn't have to be that weirdo.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: Speaking of creepy. Hey, I'm here looking for some men's products.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: How would you like your prostate examined? No, thank you.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, whatever you're into.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: So what I do is my plan for the health
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: fair is I walk close behind somebody so that they
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: usually get the brunt of the attack. And then I'll
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: sneak in behind them and grab like twice as many things.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: It does seem like you're sneaky behaviors.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty fucking sneaky. It's got so many free shit.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: I figure I'm going there by myself. I got to
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: load up for other people. Or at least get twice
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: as much for me. Fuck Sharon.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: That also sounds like you.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that does.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: All right, so we're going to wrap it up here
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: at Wonderfest this week. But go to wonderfest.com and find
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: out what's in store for us next year.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: Awesome things.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: And be there.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: Hell yeah.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: She comes but supplicants Let me tell.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: You what I want.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: I should just keep this down inside Thank you.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: What does it do with these little things?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It's one of them weekends, I guess.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: They all get together and hang out or something.
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  Speaker 3: Talk hard!