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Prince Andrew Tries to 'DODGE' Subpoena in U.S. Sex Harass Case · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Jeffrey Epstein and his lover
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Speaker 1: Jelayne Maxwell. Epstein now dad. Jelayne Maxwell behind bars awaiting
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Speaker 1: trial on claims that she basically was a high class pimp,
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Speaker 1: reeling in underage girls for Epstein to rape, molest, and
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Speaker 1: traffic across state lines, even across country borders to satisfy
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Speaker 1: his perversions. But now breaking news in the case of
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Speaker 1: not only Epstein's past, but Jelayne Maxwell herself Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Processors alleged Delaine Maxwell used a cart
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Speaker 1: filled with legal documents to barricade herself inside a Brooklyn
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Speaker 1: conference room, causing a security threat. Maxwell has been allowed
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Speaker 1: to meet with her lawyers in a virtual teleconference room
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Speaker 1: at the Metropolitan Detention Center ahead of her trial. In
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Speaker 1: one meeting, Maxwell allegedly used a cart to hold legal
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Speaker 1: documents to quote barricade the door to the VTC room,
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Speaker 1: preventing staff from being able to access the room. The
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Speaker 1: letter say stuff. Because of the security threat posed, the
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Speaker 1: defendant is no longer permitted to bring the cart into
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Speaker 1: the room and can only quote take in what she
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Speaker 1: can carry. Maxwell's lawyer denied her client used the cart
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Speaker 1: to block access to the room. I'm very surprised she
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Speaker 1: can even have access to the room given what we
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Speaker 1: now know. Joining me an All Star panel to break
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Speaker 1: it down and put it back together again. What if
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Speaker 1: any impact does Julyne Maxwell, barricading herself in a conference
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Speaker 1: room in the jail have on a potential trial regarding
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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew? Can he be forced to come to our country?
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Speaker 1: What are his legal rights in Britain? This all swirling
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Speaker 1: around claims he had underage sex as statutory rape of
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Speaker 1: a young woman now grown, Joining me an All Star Panel.
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Speaker 1: First of all, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red
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Speaker 1: Flags and the host of Today with Doctor Wendy on KCBQ,
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Speaker 1: San Diego. Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, Joining me out
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Speaker 1: of Atlanta. You can find her at Angela Arnold, MD,
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Speaker 1: dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a brand
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Speaker 1: new hit series, The Piked and Massacre on iHeartRadio. Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, but first to Crime Online dot Com investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter Alexis Terres. Alexis, thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: Jolaine Maxwell, with all that money, all that education and
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Speaker 1: reading and sophistication, bearricase herself in a room in the jail. Yep,
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Speaker 1: the police say, well, the prison guards say, so, she
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Speaker 1: spends hours and hours every single day. She has given
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Speaker 1: unlimited time hours to spend on a video conference with
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Speaker 1: her attorneys. So she goes to a conference room in
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Speaker 1: the prison and she takes a cart and filled with
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Speaker 1: all of her legal papers that she keeps, and she
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Speaker 1: spends the day and they're talking with him. But what
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Speaker 1: the prison guard says is she put the cart in
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Speaker 1: front of the door and barricaded herself in and she
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Speaker 1: wouldn't come out and they could not get in. And
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Speaker 1: this is something that prisoners are absolutely not allowed to do.
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Speaker 1: But because of attorney client privilege, they can't have someone
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Speaker 1: else in the room with her. But they are saying
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Speaker 1: they're not going to They don't want her to do
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Speaker 1: this anymore because this is such a huge violation such
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Speaker 1: as security threats, such as safety threat. So you're telling me,
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Speaker 1: alexis terrest check that every day Delaine Maxwell is closed
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Speaker 1: it away in a private room on video conferencing with
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Speaker 1: her lawyers. According to her, Yes, and not just fifteen
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Speaker 1: minutes or thirty minute called hours. She spends hours and
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Speaker 1: hours every day, and they describe it as discussing her
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Speaker 1: legal strategy every day. You know what that suddenly reminded
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Speaker 1: me of. Do you remember Alexis terres Shut when talking
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Speaker 1: mom Casey Anthony was on house arrest and she would
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Speaker 1: get she could go to church or to her lawyers.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was. She would spend days and days
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Speaker 1: and days at the law firms of Jose Bias his
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Speaker 1: law firm off closeted away, locked in a room with
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Speaker 1: Jose Bias. Do you remember that, day after day after day. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it's almost it's a really a way of avoiding the
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Speaker 1: rules that the probation office or the prison have set up.
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Speaker 1: So Ulne is just in there, like you know, Casey
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Speaker 1: because as you said, Casey whould go to church. I
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Speaker 1: might be mistaken in my memory that I don't remember
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Speaker 1: her ever setting foot in a church. But Delayne is
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Speaker 1: sitting in this conference room for hours on end on
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Speaker 1: zoom every single day with her journey. I'm just trying
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Speaker 1: to think about it. To you, doctor Angela Arnold, I
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Speaker 1: think we need to shrink on this. Why does she
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Speaker 1: barricade herself in one of those conference rooms, I think
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Speaker 1: that things are getting too close for her, too close
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Speaker 1: for comfort, and she doesn't and I think she's getting
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Speaker 1: worried about what's going to happen, and she didn't want
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Speaker 1: anybody to come in there, and maybe she just didn't
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Speaker 1: want them to find out that she's soaked up to
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Speaker 1: HGTV for all I know. I mean, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what she's doing in there, but I find it really
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Speaker 1: hard to believe that high priced attorneys charging seven eight
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars an hour are going to be in a
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Speaker 1: conference call with Jolene Maxwell for eight hours a day.
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Speaker 1: I just don't believe that. So, you know, I don't
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Speaker 1: know what's going on in that room, but we need
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Speaker 1: Patrick California Prosecutor. The reality is there are very stringent
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Speaker 1: rules behind bars, all for good reason. Yeah that's right, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You know, safety is paramount behind bars, and yes, cience
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Speaker 1: like Elaine Maxwell do have access to law libraries and
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Speaker 1: lawyers in that kind of preparation time, but within the
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Speaker 1: boundaries of keeping everybody else safe, so'll barricading yourself anywhere
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Speaker 1: in custody is going to be grounds for discipline. It's
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Speaker 1: going to be the kind of whether it's a cry
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Speaker 1: for hell that things are getting too quotes for comfort,
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Speaker 1: however you describe it, it'll be dealt with and the
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Speaker 1: loss of privileges behind bars. People don't recognize how severe
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Speaker 1: this can be because gaining earning privileges is something that
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Speaker 1: actually allows prisoners like miss Maxwell to prepare for court.
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Speaker 1: Not only are there a porosy Gllaine Maxwell barricaded herself
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Speaker 1: in the conference room so gailhouse Cards couldn't get in
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Speaker 1: during one of her marathon conference calls. Video conference calls
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Speaker 1: with your lawyers. But a photo of Shelaine Maxwell with
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Speaker 1: a black eye I'm in a solid black eye have emerged.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online. In
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Speaker 1: a letter written by Maxwell's lawyer to the district court judge,
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Speaker 1: attorney Bobby Sternheim released a photo of Jelayne Maxwell with
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Speaker 1: a black eye. Maxwell reportedly said she didn't know where
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Speaker 1: the bruce came from, but it could be due to
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Speaker 1: her using a stock or towel to shills her eyes.
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Speaker 1: According to Maxwell's lawyer, prison guards shina light into Maxwell's
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Speaker 1: sell every fifteen minutes to make sure she's still breathing
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Speaker 1: and has not tried to kill herself. The letter also
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Speaker 1: says that guards at the Brooklyn Jail threatened to move
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Speaker 1: Maxwell to separate housing if she cannot provide an explanation
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Speaker 1: for the bruise. In the letter, Miss Sternheim writes that
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Speaker 1: while Maxwell is unaware of the cause of the bruise,
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Speaker 1: she has quote grown increasingly reluctant to report information to
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Speaker 1: the guards for fear of retaliation, discipline, and punitive chores.
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Speaker 1: Judge Alison Nathan said prosecutors have a week to explain
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Speaker 1: if and why jail officials have been subjecting Maxwell to
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Speaker 1: quote flashlight surveillance, and if Maxwell can be provided with
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Speaker 1: appropriate eye covering. Okay, let me understand something. Alexis terschut
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Speaker 1: appropriate eye covering? What Disslaine Max all on a sleep
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Speaker 1: mask behind bars? Is that what's happening? I mean, yes,
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Speaker 1: so she so the fear I think that this is
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Speaker 1: coming from what this is all based around Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: She is in jail for being his madam, which you
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Speaker 1: spoke about. But the thing is he committed suicide in jail,
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Speaker 1: and so nobody got justice his victims, these child victims
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Speaker 1: of his child assaults, didn't get justice. None of justice
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Speaker 1: was not served in that case, so they are making
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Speaker 1: extra sure that Jelaie Maxwell does not do the same thing.
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Speaker 1: So she has been under the suicide watch, so the
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Speaker 1: guards check on her every sixty minutes because the cards
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Speaker 1: were not checking on Jeffrey Epstein and he was able
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Speaker 1: to kill himself behind bars, so they want to make
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Speaker 1: sure that she doesn't take the same way out, which
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Speaker 1: doesn't explain to me her excuses. Also, she said she
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Speaker 1: didn't even know she had the black eye. She doesn't
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Speaker 1: have a mirror. Apparently there are no mirrors in this prison,
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Speaker 1: and I believe that this jail is really no is
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Speaker 1: one of the really bad ones. I mean, I think
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Speaker 1: there are some places like where Martha Stewart spend her
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Speaker 1: time that are minimum security and very nice. I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: this is a very maximum security, very bare bones prison.
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Speaker 1: She wouldn't have a mirror, so she says she saw
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Speaker 1: her reflection in a nail clipper and she looked up,
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Speaker 1: so she had no idea she even had a black eye.
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Speaker 1: It didn't hurt, she didn't ask for medical help or
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Speaker 1: anything like that. And then to say that a sock
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Speaker 1: hit a black eye but socks are so soft. So
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Speaker 1: the judge just wants to get to the bottom of this,
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Speaker 1: but they are They do not want her to have
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Speaker 1: any chance to commit suicide crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: You know Joe's got Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University.
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Speaker 1: I find it very interesting that Killaine Maxwell says she
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Speaker 1: may have gotten a black eye from a towel or
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Speaker 1: a sock as she places over her eyes at night,
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Speaker 1: and then somehow blames the guards for flashing a flashlight
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Speaker 1: on her every fifteen minutes. Well, I don't think you
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Speaker 1: can get a black eye from a flashlight, a soccer,
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Speaker 1: a towel, So what gives Jo Scott? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm wondering if she didn't have an
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Speaker 1: altercation with someone in the prison. You know what, Jes Scott,
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Speaker 1: I like you a lot, but I don't think I
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Speaker 1: would repeat that again to your bosses over at Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University. I think she had an altercation. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: she's got a black eye, Joe Scott. Either somebody hit
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Speaker 1: her in the eye or it's self inflicted. Have you
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Speaker 1: thought about that, Well, now that you mentioned it, it
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Speaker 1: could be self inflicted, she could have run into the wall, perhaps,
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Speaker 1: but also people with her kind of background, her alleged behavior,
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Speaker 1: relative to how she's treated these young girls and pimped
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Speaker 1: them out, she would not be very popular in the
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Speaker 1: prison population. Let's keep in mind some of these people
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Speaker 1: she's surrounded with might very well have been victims a
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Speaker 1: very similar throughout their life. So it's not going to
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Speaker 1: be like she's going to be queen of the prison
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Speaker 1: and at the top of the heat. One other thing
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Speaker 1: that's very interesting though. I don't know if you remember this, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: but you know Jeffrey Epstein did the same thing while
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Speaker 1: he was being held. Remember he would take almost up
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Speaker 1: to twelve hours per day in this holding room with
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Speaker 1: these attorneys, say would even he'd even go out, and
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Speaker 1: they would allow him to buy out the soda machines.
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Speaker 1: There was even word that he was putting extra money
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Speaker 1: into the accounts of some of the prisoners in his
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Speaker 1: vicinity to keep him safe around there. So it seems
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Speaker 1: as though this group of people are afforded certain luxuries
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Speaker 1: that others are not. Guys, we're talking about Galene Maxiwell
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Speaker 1: behind bars, a barricading herself in a conference room as
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Speaker 1: she's on video chats with her lawyers for hours on
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Speaker 1: and I claim she's watching HGTV. Not only that, she
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Speaker 1: shows up with a black eye and refuses to tell
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Speaker 1: anybody where she got it. She points to a sock
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Speaker 1: a towel as being the purpse. Do I buy that? No?
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Speaker 1: I do not, So what's the point. The point is
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Speaker 1: that right now her longtime friend, Prince Andrew, that's right,
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Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth's son is, let's just say, formally being requested
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Speaker 1: to come to the US to answer up on charges
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Speaker 1: he committed statutory rape on an American citizen. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut fifty three. She believes that I
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Speaker 1: do that. No one, no president, no Prime Minister, no
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Speaker 1: Prince of England. It's above the law. It doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: how many contacts you have, doesn't matter who your family is,
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter how much wealth do you have. You're not
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Speaker 1: a buffal law and no one, no matter how young,
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Speaker 1: are vulnerable or powerless, is deprived to the protection of
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Speaker 1: the law. That is a bed rock principle of American law,
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Speaker 1: and I believe it's a bender rock principle of the
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Speaker 1: United Kingdom from which we got on our law that's
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Speaker 1: the renowned lawyer David Boys speaking to our friends at ITV.
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Speaker 1: The reality is Prince Andrew has been named in a
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Speaker 1: civil suit by the young then young girl photoed with him.
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Speaker 1: Andrew has his arm around her. She's wearing a MITCHR.
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Speaker 1: Shirt and they are in Gilain Maxwell's London town home.
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Speaker 1: Now Gillane Maxwell and Prince Andrew both site note that
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Speaker 1: can possibly be my town home. But La, let me
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Speaker 1: remind everybody that Maxwell's brother Ian Maxwell was doing an
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Speaker 1: interview with the BBC last March and was thrown the
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Speaker 1: question have you seen the photo? He says yes, and
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Speaker 1: he admits on BBC that that is his sister Galaine
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Speaker 1: Maxwell's town home in the background. That was the focus
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Speaker 1: of the interview. But he inadvertently revealed that yes, that's
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Speaker 1: Galaine Maxwell's town home where you see Andrew and Virginia
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Speaker 1: Jefferies then a minor So my question to you, Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California Prosecutor, could Prince Andrew be forced to come to
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Speaker 1: America to answer on these claims a statutory rate. It's
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Speaker 1: not a criminal case, it's a civil case. In a
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Speaker 1: civil case, we don't have the kind of extradition power
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Speaker 1: that we have in a criminal case. So because this
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Speaker 1: is a civil case, we aren't able to involuntarily bring
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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew to America. Now he's able to come voluntarily.
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Speaker 1: And remember, back when this first broke, he had indicated
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Speaker 1: a willingness not only to cooperate with the FBI, but
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Speaker 1: to help them build whatever case they needed by providing information.
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Speaker 1: That cooperation has now fallen by the wayside. And is
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Speaker 1: there a way to force him here against his will?
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Speaker 1: The answer is no, not unless there is some type
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Speaker 1: of criminal case that's built against him in the US. Now,
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Speaker 1: the only thing we can do is put pressure on
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Speaker 1: the authorities back where in his own jurisdiction, and if
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Speaker 1: they were to come up with their own criminal investigation,
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Speaker 1: they could pursue it there, But right now we can't
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Speaker 1: pursue that here. I don't know about that because the
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Speaker 1: stature limitations may have run and I don't know that
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Speaker 1: they would have jurisdiction for a criminal case involving Virginia Jeffries.
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Speaker 1: Virginia Jeffries is not there. But remember it determines on
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Speaker 1: what they choose to pursue. So as here there's different
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Speaker 1: crimes with different statutes of limitations, both criminally and civilly,
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Speaker 1: that have to be very strategic. But remember that there
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Speaker 1: have been murmurings over there that they are reopening some
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Speaker 1: kind of investigation, and you have to believe at the
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Speaker 1: very least whatever they hope they find, they will either
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Speaker 1: use there or share with us here so that we
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Speaker 1: may be able to pursue a criminal case where we
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Speaker 1: might not have blown the statute. Wendy Patrick, I believe
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Speaker 1: that you're right. I do not believe Prince Andrew can
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Speaker 1: be forced to come to the US on a civil case.
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Speaker 1: We do have an extradition treaty with Great Britain on
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Speaker 1: criminal matters. If he were charged within the statute of limitations,
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Speaker 1: for instance, with statutory rape, he could be extradited brought
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Speaker 1: here by force for criminal trial. Again, this is a
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Speaker 1: civil case. Now, royal titles do not protect him from
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Speaker 1: prosecution in criminal cases. Here's another kicker. He is a prince,
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Speaker 1: a full blood, which means he could claim sovereign immunity,
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Speaker 1: but unlike his mother, he does not have diplomatic immunity.
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Speaker 1: Long story short, it's not going to happen. He's not
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Speaker 1: going to be able to We cannot extradite him here
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Speaker 1: because it's not a criminal case. And I can guarantee
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Speaker 1: you when you don't know a horse, look at his
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Speaker 1: track record. Andrew is not coming here voluntarily. That's not
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Speaker 1: going to happen in the meantime, Guys, take a listen.
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Speaker 1: You were just hearing the lawyer for the victim, Virginia jeffreyies.
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Speaker 1: That was David. Boys, take a listen to him one
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Speaker 1: more time. What happened for the first time in London?
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Speaker 1: I was so young. Heilan will cook me up in
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Speaker 1: the morning and said, you're going to meet a prince today.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know at that point that I was going
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Speaker 1: to be trafficked to that prince. And then that night
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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew came to her house in London and went
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Speaker 1: out the club Tramp. Prince Andrew got me alcoholos in
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Speaker 1: the VIP section. It was I'm pretty sure it was vodka.
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Speaker 1: Prince Andrews like, let's dance together, and I was like okay,
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Speaker 1: and we leave Club Tramp and I'd topped in the
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Speaker 1: car with Helene and Jeffrey and Helen said he's coming
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Speaker 1: back to the house and I want you to do
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Speaker 1: for him. Let you do for Epstein. You were just
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Speaker 1: hearing the alleged victim in this case, Virginia Roberts Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: speaking to our friends at NBC. So following up on
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Speaker 1: what Windy Patrick just said, if this occurred in Britain,
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Speaker 1: they would have criminal jurisdiction. But again, what's happening right
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Speaker 1: now with Prince Andrew and Delayne Maxwell and Virginia Jeffries
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Speaker 1: regarding Andrew is civil. Jelayne Maxwell behind bars for her
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Speaker 1: part in Epstein raping little girls, allegedly procuring them and
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Speaker 1: even taking part in the molestation and the attacks. So far,
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Speaker 1: what do we know about Andrew's defense against Virginia Jeffrey's claims?
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut thirty five. Virginia says the abuse moved from the
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Speaker 1: bathroom to a bedroom. He wasn't rude or anything about it.
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Speaker 1: He said, you know, thank you and some kind of
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Speaker 1: soft sentiments like that and left. I just couldn't plain
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Speaker 1: about it. I couldn't believe that even a royal of
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Speaker 1: humor involved, She says. Trans Andrew abused her two more times,
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Speaker 1: once in New York and scenes mansion and again in
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Speaker 1: his virgin Islands estates. Andrew of course denies that this
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Speaker 1: ever happened. He denies that had ever happened, and he's
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Speaker 1: going to keep denying that it ever happened. But he
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Speaker 1: knows the truth, and I know the truth. To Joseph Scott, Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University, forensic expert joining us,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, I don't think you know, remember Monica Lewinsky
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Speaker 1: and Bill Clinton. I use that example for one reason.
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Speaker 1: The DNA from Clinton remained on her blue dress for
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Speaker 1: years before the blue dress was ever discussed openly. I
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Speaker 1: don't think we're going to have any evidence like that
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Speaker 1: in the case against Andrew. No, we're not unless she's
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Speaker 1: got something sequestered away. You know that she's held back
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Speaker 1: for evidentiary purposes, you know, And that dynamic with Clinton
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Speaker 1: is completely different than this. This is a young girl
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Speaker 1: that was being trafficked, that was being put into a position.
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Speaker 1: I'm not drawing a parallel in the facts. I'm drawing
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Speaker 1: a parallel and potential forensic evidence such as DNA coming
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Speaker 1: from Seaman. We had that in the Clinton case. We
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Speaker 1: don't have it in this case, not that I know.
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Speaker 1: I think this is going to be her word against
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Speaker 1: his word, and we have that photo. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, I'm very surprised, Wendy Patrick, that there was
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Speaker 1: never criminal investigation in Great Britain since this attack occurred.
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Speaker 1: They're starting at Gilaine Maxwell's townhouse. You know. The one
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Speaker 1: question about that, Nancy, because you're right, that's the question
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Speaker 1: everybody's asking now. Is people wonder whether or not there's
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Speaker 1: this protection that maybe was afforded back there, and the
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Speaker 1: authorities would say no, you know, we know about palace intrigue,
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Speaker 1: but they would say there's no palace immunity that should
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Speaker 1: have precluded a member of the royal family from being investigated.
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Speaker 1: So if that's not the explanation, then could it have
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Speaker 1: been that photos like this don't typically surface in these
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Speaker 1: kinds of investigations until years later. And if that's true,
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Speaker 1: then of course they'd have to discount the end it's
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Speaker 1: in explanations. But if that working backwards that we're doing now,
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Speaker 1: they complicates finding a good answer to that question, because
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Speaker 1: that's the obvious question. Why now? Why not way back
22:26
Speaker 1: when when this actually happened. Take to listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends over at Netflix. I first met Prince Andrew March ten,
22:34
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, in London at Jillen's townhouse. Knocked door.
22:40
Speaker 1: He came inside Jillen's townhouse and we're sitting there having tea.
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Speaker 1: Ellen has his favorite guessing game that she does. She
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Speaker 1: goes to Prince Andrew, how old do you think Virginia is?
22:53
Speaker 1: And he said seventeen and she's like, oh, you're right,
22:57
Speaker 1: and you know, they made a little joke about it.
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Speaker 1: It's like, all my daughters aren't far from your age.
23:02
Speaker 1: You know, my daughter's a little bit younger than you.
23:05
Speaker 1: We went off to night club Tramp in London and
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Speaker 1: he dances and he's profusely sweating over me. It was disgusting.
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Speaker 1: Check listen to Moore from Virginia Roberts Jeffries and ended
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Speaker 1: with sexual abuse and intercourse. And then I've had on
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Speaker 1: the back You've done a really good job, like you know,
23:31
Speaker 1: thank you very much, and here's two hundred dollars. You know,
23:35
Speaker 1: before you know it, I'm being lent out to politicians
23:38
Speaker 1: and too academics and people that royalty and people that
23:43
Speaker 1: you just you would never think, like, how did you
23:45
Speaker 1: get into that position of power in the first place.
23:48
Speaker 1: If you're this disgusting, evil, decrepit person on the inside too.
23:52
Speaker 1: Alexa stres Chuck joining US Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
23:56
Speaker 1: Alexis so far prince and has race multiple defenses against Virginia.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey's climbs of statutory rate Layne Maxwell's a key to
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Speaker 1: unlocking the case. And I can't help but believe that
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Speaker 1: if she would rat out on Andrew, that her case
24:23
Speaker 1: would miraculously go away. What defenses has Andrew been throwing up?
24:31
Speaker 1: He didn't say anything for years and years and years.
24:33
Speaker 1: Then he gave an on camera interview and he which
24:37
Speaker 1: really was the worst decision he ever made, because he
24:41
Speaker 1: was so unbelievable in history. He said he has never
24:44
Speaker 1: met Virginia except there's a picture. And then he looked
24:47
Speaker 1: at the picture. He said, you know, I've never This
24:51
Speaker 1: is obviously upstairs. You can see there's a banister. It's
24:54
Speaker 1: upstairs in Julene's house. I never went upstairs, which is
24:57
Speaker 1: strange that he can recognize the upstairs but he never
24:59
Speaker 1: went upstairs. There's clearly a picture of him. Then he says,
25:01
Speaker 1: the picture is doctor. That doesn't look like my hand.
25:04
Speaker 1: This he said, I wasn't at a club that night.
25:06
Speaker 1: I was at a pizza poler with one of my
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Speaker 1: daughters for her friend's birthday party. And everyone says, you
25:13
Speaker 1: remember you were at a pizza poler in two thousand
25:15
Speaker 1: and one. He says, well, I looked at my schedule
25:17
Speaker 1: and I was, I think it's the Essex Pizza Poler,
25:20
Speaker 1: and the pizza place said, we have no recollection of that.
25:23
Speaker 1: And then he said, when I thought when I was
25:26
Speaker 1: in the military and I was, I believe he was
25:28
Speaker 1: in the golf war, He says, I I had. It
25:31
Speaker 1: was so traumatic that I know I have a condition
25:33
Speaker 1: where I no longer sweat. And the Virginia saying they
25:36
Speaker 1: went dancing and the night he was sweating all over her.
25:39
Speaker 1: It was a disgusting He says, I don't sweat. Well,
25:42
Speaker 1: then they're a slew of pictures they're published from over
25:47
Speaker 1: the years, because he's been famous for seventy years, and
25:50
Speaker 1: you can see all these different pictures of him sweating.
25:53
Speaker 1: So every single thing that he said was just seemed
25:57
Speaker 1: like a lie. They all seemed like excuse uses that
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Speaker 1: he made up on the fly. Oh, I don't sweat.
26:02
Speaker 1: I went to a pizza parlor. I've never been upstairs
26:06
Speaker 1: because look at the picture of this is upstairs. All
26:08
Speaker 1: of it really seemed really just to say that he
26:10
Speaker 1: was guilty. He left out one that I really love, Alexis.
26:13
Speaker 1: Although everything you said was accurate, he also said the
26:17
Speaker 1: clothes he was wearing were not his quote traveling clothes.
26:21
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Yes, he says, I would never wear,
26:24
Speaker 1: you know, a blue shirt. That's not what I wear
26:26
Speaker 1: when I travel. And I guess the prince has only
26:30
Speaker 1: traveling clothes, in regular clothes. So you're telling me, Alexis,
26:34
Speaker 1: that there are photos of him where he is sweating. Yes,
26:37
Speaker 1: there are lots of photos of him sweating, Lots and
26:39
Speaker 1: lots of photos of him sweating, and there are lots
26:41
Speaker 1: of pictures of him in a blue shirt when he's
26:44
Speaker 1: you know, traveling or not traveling. Like everything he said
26:47
Speaker 1: has been refuted by picture evidence, but not pictures that
26:49
Speaker 1: Virginia has pictures that are in the public domain. There
26:52
Speaker 1: be to professional pictures pictures of him in public places.
26:55
Speaker 1: You know that that condition he claims that he has
26:59
Speaker 1: is a hydrosis, as when you your sweat glance are
27:04
Speaker 1: affected by a sudden shock that he claims he got
27:08
Speaker 1: and the Fall clans. Have you ever heard of that doctor?
27:11
Speaker 1: And angie and hydrosis? Oh? Sure I have. It's a condition,
27:15
Speaker 1: So it's a thing. It's a real thing. But I
27:18
Speaker 1: don't know if if he necessarily has that. But you
27:22
Speaker 1: know the problem with him claiming that, him claiming that
27:24
Speaker 1: as a defense is, you know, less is more when
27:26
Speaker 1: it comes to what do you say to the press
27:28
Speaker 1: if you're a suspect. By focusing on some of these
27:31
Speaker 1: little details, what it really comes down to is he
27:34
Speaker 1: looks incredible as to all of the details. You know,
27:38
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you budge the truth about something small,
27:41
Speaker 1: it impacts about the big step. I don't know if
27:43
Speaker 1: anybody else caught this, but as a prosecutor, when I
27:45
Speaker 1: looked at his first interview, he hesitated at the beginning
27:48
Speaker 1: when he was asked about the picture, he said he
27:51
Speaker 1: didn't remember. Remember. That's key either, No way that I
27:54
Speaker 1: ever do that. I would never do that. But I
27:56
Speaker 1: don't remember or I don't recall. Is very, very different,
28:00
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people aren't seizing on that.
28:02
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm making too big of a deal of it,
28:04
Speaker 1: but I think that some people that would be innocent
28:07
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't say I don't remember, but they already know
28:10
Speaker 1: they would never do something like that. Crime Stories with
28:24
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, the argument just got Morgan that the photo
28:30
Speaker 1: was faked. I think you would have been better off saying,
28:35
Speaker 1: you know what, I was at a party at Gallaine Maxwell's.
28:38
Speaker 1: I don't remember meeting her as possible, we were both there,
28:41
Speaker 1: but I certainly didn't commit statutory rape because it just
28:45
Speaker 1: makes him look worse. How do you tell if a
28:48
Speaker 1: photo has been doctored forensically? Oh yeah, I mean one
28:51
Speaker 1: of the things that you look for, the casting of shadows,
28:54
Speaker 1: the positioning of the individual in the photo, is it
28:57
Speaker 1: doesn't line up with with the focal length and also
29:02
Speaker 1: the lighting that's going on in the environment. But to
29:06
Speaker 1: your bigger point, Nancy, he would have been better off
29:09
Speaker 1: keeping his mouth shut because now because you say that
29:12
Speaker 1: this is doctored, now you bring the full force and
29:16
Speaker 1: weight of the entire not just courts, not just investigators,
29:19
Speaker 1: but anybody that's out there that has any understanding of
29:24
Speaker 1: photography and being able to photoshop. And now people are
29:27
Speaker 1: going to analyze this seeing just at nauseum, and you know,
29:31
Speaker 1: like doctor Wendy was saying, if he had just kept
29:35
Speaker 1: this mouth shut about this one point. I mean, how
29:38
Speaker 1: many people out there would actually believe that someone would
29:42
Speaker 1: have gone to the trouble to doctor this photograph of
29:44
Speaker 1: him with this seventeen year old young lady for the
29:48
Speaker 1: purposes of blackmailing. It's absolutely absurd. I mean, you can
29:52
Speaker 1: tell that it's him in the photograph. You know, because
29:57
Speaker 1: of the timing of all of this, that more than
29:59
Speaker 1: likely he was in that particular location. So when you're
30:03
Speaker 1: trying to develop this this wild story, this alibi, if
30:08
Speaker 1: you will, it's absolutely absurd because by doing this, by
30:12
Speaker 1: focusing on this little detail like this, you brought the
30:16
Speaker 1: full weight and scope of anybody that has any interest
30:19
Speaker 1: in photography. And isn't it true? Wendy Patrick joining US
30:23
Speaker 1: former prosecutor now host of Today with doctor Wendy KCBQ. Wendy,
30:29
Speaker 1: there is a charge a jury instruction that judges always
30:35
Speaker 1: read to jrrs. And that charge is, when you believe
30:40
Speaker 1: a witness has lied in part, be it great or small,
30:43
Speaker 1: you were entitled to throw out that witness's entire testimony
30:48
Speaker 1: if you believe they're lying. My point is, why lie
30:52
Speaker 1: about the photo being faked? Because once, as Joe Scott
30:57
Speaker 1: planned out there, they're gonna bring on Tump's experts to
30:59
Speaker 1: say this has not been fat. This is real. So
31:03
Speaker 1: if you'll lie about that, or a lie about that's
31:06
Speaker 1: not my hand around her waist, or I wasn't at
31:09
Speaker 1: the party, or I was at pizza Express, and it
31:12
Speaker 1: goes on. If you're got to lie about something small,
31:15
Speaker 1: then of course you'd lie about something big. For instance,
31:19
Speaker 1: I did not rape her to save your own skin. Yeah,
31:22
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And what's also important is the way
31:25
Speaker 1: that instruction ends. If you don't believe them on little things,
31:28
Speaker 1: you don't have to believe them on big things unless
31:31
Speaker 1: other aspects of their testimony is in corroboration. The Prince
31:35
Speaker 1: doesn't have a benefit of the doubt when it comes
31:37
Speaker 1: to the last part of that instruction. We are stuck
31:40
Speaker 1: with him looking guilty covering up a crime, when ironically
31:44
Speaker 1: more evidence of the cover up we have than evidence
31:47
Speaker 1: of the crime. He would have been better off, as
31:49
Speaker 1: you have said, to basically say, look, you know, I
31:52
Speaker 1: was a friend of the Lanes, I was at her house.
31:54
Speaker 1: I don't know who else was there. I don't know
31:56
Speaker 1: who I was in a photo with But I can
31:57
Speaker 1: tell you one thing I would never that would have
31:59
Speaker 1: been way in which most people have expected that to
32:03
Speaker 1: go down. Let me ask you this, Wendy. What happens
32:06
Speaker 1: if he doesn't show up for the civil case? Is
32:08
Speaker 1: it like a softball game where you one side doesn't
32:12
Speaker 1: show up. It's it's a skunk Have you ever heard
32:16
Speaker 1: that time you're skunked? In other words, it didn't show up,
32:20
Speaker 1: so you lose. Does he forfeit if he doesn't show
32:24
Speaker 1: up and she wins the case? No, it's an empty chair.
32:26
Speaker 1: It goes forward without him there, which may or may
32:30
Speaker 1: not be to his advantage, because obviously there's a fairness.
32:33
Speaker 1: A questioned, Wendy. Have you ever tried a case where
32:37
Speaker 1: the defendant wasn't there? Yea, I tried, Yes, I have
32:40
Speaker 1: me too. It was wonderful. He showed up the first
32:44
Speaker 1: day for jury selection. He was on bond. He never
32:47
Speaker 1: showed up again. I tried the rest. He was a
32:50
Speaker 1: drug lord. The rest of the case basically standing right
32:53
Speaker 1: behind his empty chair. I would just yell from there
32:55
Speaker 1: where anyway, So if he doesn't show up, the case
32:59
Speaker 1: will go or without him, Yes it will. And if
33:02
Speaker 1: in fact that it's a conviction. If it's if you
33:06
Speaker 1: sound liable, then you know he could be on the
33:09
Speaker 1: line for damages for whatever they decide the monetary amount is.
33:13
Speaker 1: And then of course there's the issue of what you
33:14
Speaker 1: attach wereth the assets? But that initial point, let me
33:18
Speaker 1: toss that one more thing. His lawyers can fight the
33:21
Speaker 1: initial case even before it goes to trial, so they
33:25
Speaker 1: can attack it collaterally. Is no jurisdiction. We're going to
33:28
Speaker 1: toss this how it's spurious. You know all the reasons
33:30
Speaker 1: that you can seek to have a civil case dismiss
33:33
Speaker 1: Basically nanny nanny boo boo. Okay, that's not going to happen.
33:38
Speaker 1: It's going to go forward with him or without him.
33:41
Speaker 1: I hope he brings his traveling clothes. So alexis, what's
33:45
Speaker 1: the hold up? What's happening? Miss? Because you've got the
33:48
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew issue. That's a civil case. He's not coming
33:51
Speaker 1: to the US to answer up. I just go ahead
33:53
Speaker 1: and tell you that. But there's a criminal case, Agains
33:55
Speaker 1: Gilline Maxwell that is pinning it's set to go to trial.
33:58
Speaker 1: When is that happening? It has been that there has
34:00
Speaker 1: been a firm date that has finally been set. The
34:03
Speaker 1: judge this it was supposed to start in July and
34:05
Speaker 1: then it didn't tim them. The judge said, well, maybe
34:08
Speaker 1: we'll start in November. Well, the judge has just issued
34:10
Speaker 1: a letter to the court and in the case saying
34:13
Speaker 1: this case Fergus Lane will start on November twenty ninth,
34:17
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. So in about three months, this case
34:21
Speaker 1: is going to start and her trial is going to begin.
34:23
Speaker 1: And enjoy Thanksgiving everybody, because we're heading to court. We
34:27
Speaker 1: wait as just as unfolds Nancy Gray's crime story, signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,