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8-20-26 Hour 1 - Peyton Watson traded to Cavs/Sean Payton at the Podium/Katy Winge · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Motioner, Lombardy and Kane on demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 2: I promise I will give you a perspective and I
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  Speaker 2: will give you avenues of what could happen moving forward.
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  Speaker 3: But if you can allow me.
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  Speaker 2: For just this morning to react like an emotional idiot,
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  Speaker 2: is that okay?
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  Speaker 4: Is that okay?
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  Speaker 5: If I can do that, I think we all are
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  Speaker 5: going to today because it's times like these when we
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  Speaker 5: get pod and we get annoyed that we let it
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  Speaker 5: all hang out. And by letting it all hang out,
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  Speaker 5: I mean let it.
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  Speaker 4: All hang out.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, welcome back, Vic, Good to see you.
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  Speaker 5: I got Vic's nose polyups by the way.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll get those fixs.
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  Speaker 2: Let me react emotionally for a second, because this is
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  Speaker 2: the one thing that I did fear hire offseason. It's
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  Speaker 2: the one thing that I was most dreading as a possibility,
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  Speaker 2: which is you trade Peyton Watson and the result of
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  Speaker 2: the trade is kind of nothing. For now, you get
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  Speaker 2: a first round pick. Five years from now you get
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  Speaker 2: a second round pick. But the trade and I'll just
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  Speaker 2: put it in perspective for you, this is what hurts.
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  Speaker 2: You draft somebody in the first round that averaged three
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  Speaker 2: points per game in college. He is the lowest lowest
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  Speaker 2: points per game for any first round pick in the
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  Speaker 2: history of the NBA draft. You develop that player into
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  Speaker 2: somebody the final year of his rookie contract that looks
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  Speaker 2: like not only could he be a rotational NBA player,
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  Speaker 2: but somebody that you could trust within your starting lineup
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  Speaker 2: for a long time to come. He builds his game
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  Speaker 2: into being a forty percent three point shooter, He's arguably
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  Speaker 2: your best defender on the team, and you let him
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  Speaker 2: walk out the door for a contract that I think
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  Speaker 2: is totally reasonable. By the way, twenty two million dollars
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  Speaker 2: a year sounds like a perfect number for what Peyton
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  Speaker 2: Watson is as a player right now. And you still
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  Speaker 2: on't out of the second apron. All of that stuff
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  Speaker 2: feels like a whole bunch of yuck to me. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm reacting emotionally this morning. Plenty of time for a perspective,
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  Speaker 2: but that's how I feel.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you should feel frustrated, annoyed, irritated. I want to
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  Speaker 6: scream off, scream The Nuggets are not a better team
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  Speaker 6: today than they were yesterday. They're a worse team. And
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  Speaker 6: I wish I could tell you that this wasn't predictable,
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  Speaker 6: but I predicted it. I told you five months ago,
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  Speaker 6: I told you in April. What did I tell you
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  Speaker 6: in April?
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  Speaker 4: Mark much? Or what was going to happen this offseason?
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  Speaker 5: The Nuggets are gonna have to lose somebody and this
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  Speaker 5: might be a step back year to get right?
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  Speaker 4: Why is every bud he's so surprised?
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  Speaker 6: Why?
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  Speaker 4: And I'm gonna spend the bulk of this show.
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  Speaker 6: I woke up at four twelve am, and I spent
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  Speaker 6: two hours just researching every player transaction the Nuggets have
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  Speaker 6: made over the last three years, every single move they've made,
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  Speaker 6: to see how they got to this point. And I
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  Speaker 6: will evaluate those transactions unbiasedly, objectively, and I will tell
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  Speaker 6: you where they hit and where they missed, and and
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  Speaker 6: there's a reason they got here, But there's also a
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  Speaker 6: reason they won an NBA championship. Let's not forget that
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  Speaker 6: it goes both ways. You're gonna hit, you're gonna miss.
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  Speaker 6: They traded away Peyton Watson, a promising, young, talented player,
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  Speaker 6: when they really didn't want.
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  Speaker 4: To that's the truth.
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  Speaker 6: That's the truth of the matter, and it doesn't make
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  Speaker 6: them better, it makes them worse. So why did they
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  Speaker 6: have to go to these extremes. We will spend the
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  Speaker 6: course of the show trying to explain that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not defending it.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not telling you, oh my god, well, I'm telling
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  Speaker 6: you why they got here.
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  Speaker 2: Can I say something though, to something that you said
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  Speaker 2: there in what you tweeted yesterday, because I think I
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  Speaker 2: have an answer for you. So I think it was
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  Speaker 2: something along the lines of you don't understand why people
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  Speaker 2: are surprised. I don't think the surprise is coming in.
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  Speaker 2: You had to let somebody talented go that made you
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  Speaker 2: a worst basketball team.
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  Speaker 3: We all, at least I'll speak for myself. I knew
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  Speaker 3: that was the case.
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  Speaker 2: I knew that you were going to get rid of
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  Speaker 2: a player that was going to make you, in the
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  Speaker 2: ultimate short term, a worst basketball team. I was not
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  Speaker 2: personally willing to do that with a twenty three year
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  Speaker 2: old who has promised. I would have rather done that
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  Speaker 2: with a Cam Johnson who has one year left.
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  Speaker 6: Right there, let me stop you right there, stop stop, okay,
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  Speaker 6: let's let's start here.
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  Speaker 4: Because I knew that was going to come up. I
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  Speaker 4: knew that was going to come up. I want everybody
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  Speaker 4: to open their ears for a second. Open your eyes
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  Speaker 4: as well.
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  Speaker 6: If I replaced Cam Johnson and his twenty three million
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  Speaker 6: dollar contract, traded that away and got a first in
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  Speaker 6: a second round pick and return, and you got to
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  Speaker 6: keep Peyton Watson for making what Cam made?
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  Speaker 4: Would you have accepted that deal?
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  Speaker 3: Repeat that, it's it's Cam Johnson and basically second you.
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  Speaker 6: Basically replace what dam Johnson for Peyton Watson.
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  Speaker 2: So the same trade, but it's Aton Johnson sing Peyton
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  Speaker 2: Watson and Peyton Watson gets twenty two million a year.
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  Speaker 3: Would have done that a heartbeat?
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  Speaker 5: Okay?
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  Speaker 6: Do you think the Nuggets deep down would have preferred that?
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  Speaker 6: Of course yes, So why didn't it happen? Because nobody
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  Speaker 6: was going to give you a first in the second
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  Speaker 6: for Cam Johns.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody was going to give you anything nothing.
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  Speaker 4: You weren't going to.
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  Speaker 6: Get the necessary assets for Cam Johnson to make a
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  Speaker 6: move down the road to get off these other contents.
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  Speaker 3: This is this is where we disagree. This is where
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  Speaker 3: we disagree.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about I don't I hate the return that
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  Speaker 2: you got for Peyton Watson. I thought you you took
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  Speaker 2: a bath on the Peyton Watson trade. I would have
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  Speaker 2: done less if they If if I offered up Cam Johnson,
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  Speaker 2: who's who has one year left on his contract and
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  Speaker 2: it's almost guaranteed, giving your financial situation, he is not returning,
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  Speaker 2: and somebody said I'll give you a second round pick
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  Speaker 2: in twenty forty, I'd be like done if that lets
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  Speaker 2: me keep Peyton Watson.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm taking the bath on the Cam Johnson trade a
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  Speaker 2: million times out of a mine.
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  Speaker 6: And I don't disagree with you. Do you remember what
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  Speaker 6: it took in the acquisition of Cam Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you you gave them Michael Porter Junior in.
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  Speaker 6: A first and a first round pick.
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  Speaker 3: But that was but that was to get off Porter's contract.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, but you had to throw a first round Think
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  Speaker 6: about that for a second.
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  Speaker 4: Think about that for a second.
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  Speaker 6: You threw a first round pick to acquire Cam Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but that wasn't because of Cam. That was because
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  Speaker 3: of Porter.
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  Speaker 6: But you could look at it both ways and say
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  Speaker 6: that is the price of doing business. And to make
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  Speaker 6: moves in today's NBA, to make any moves, any moves
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  Speaker 6: that have been made.
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  Speaker 4: You need draft picks, Brett.
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  Speaker 6: No moves are made without draft picks anymore, and the
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  Speaker 6: Nuggets before this offseason had none. And that's what I'm
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  Speaker 6: going to spend the day talking about. How did they
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  Speaker 6: arrive at this point where they emptied the tank asset
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  Speaker 6: wise and forced them to trade away a talented young
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  Speaker 6: player who they desperately wanted to keep. If that's why,
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  Speaker 6: your frustration is valid, but you're frustrated at the wrong thing.
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  Speaker 6: The frustration should come at the recklessness with which they
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  Speaker 6: traded away assets in previous years.
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  Speaker 3: Put a pin in that.
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  Speaker 2: For a second and just go back to what I
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  Speaker 2: was talking about before, because I don't disagree with any
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  Speaker 2: of that stuff. It's it's obvious that they wreck the
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  Speaker 2: asset management part of this. But in the case of
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  Speaker 2: would you rather acquire a first round pick five years
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  Speaker 2: from now and a second round pick six years from
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  Speaker 2: now for Peyton Watson or just get a second round
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  Speaker 2: pick for whatever whatever for Cam Johnson, I'm telling you
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  Speaker 2: a million times out of a million, I'm doing that
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  Speaker 2: because I can keep the twenty three year old that
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  Speaker 2: has potential as opposed to the guy that's going to
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  Speaker 2: be here probably one more year.
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  Speaker 6: Understood, but you're not looking at the next move. They
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  Speaker 6: still have to get out of the apron. Even if
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  Speaker 6: they had replaced those two players, right, just swap cam
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  Speaker 6: Johnson for Peyton, they're still in the second apron.
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  Speaker 4: So now how do you get out of the second apron?
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  Speaker 6: You tell me you're still there. I know at first
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  Speaker 6: and second, but now it's easier to get out of
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  Speaker 6: it because you have enough as sets to remove yourself
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  Speaker 6: from it.
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  Speaker 4: Do you see what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you, yes, you do.
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  Speaker 2: So let's say you take the second round pick Mos
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  Speaker 2: that you acquired in this Peyton Watson trade, and now
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  Speaker 2: you attach that to Zeke Nause in his salary dumping move,
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  Speaker 2: and you're under the second apron. You have two more
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  Speaker 2: roster spots to fill, and you're only gonna be about
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  Speaker 2: seven million under the apron. And they're talking about, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're pivoting to DeMar DeRozan. DeRosa wants ten to fifteen
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  Speaker 2: million dollars.
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  Speaker 5: A year your work. You are emotional today, aren't you. Well,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just I'm trying to figure out how all well,
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  Speaker 5: let me let me let me explain to you, because
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  Speaker 5: I'm oh, you want some emotion, Yeah, you want some
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  Speaker 5: of this. Yeah, Peyton Watson got his money, good for him.
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  Speaker 3: Reasonable contract.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, I'm telling you right now, as I
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  Speaker 5: sit here looking at all of you, I am always
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  Speaker 5: going to wonder if he could have played, always going
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  Speaker 5: to wonder that. Now, that may be unfair I had,
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  Speaker 5: but there's gonna be a piece of me that always
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  Speaker 5: wonders whether or not that guy could have been on
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  Speaker 5: the court, and whether or not Clutch Sports got what
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  Speaker 5: they wanted and ultimately got what they wanted for him
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  Speaker 5: and for themselves because they didn't want him to be
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  Speaker 5: a damaged asset in the offseason. That's always gonna linger
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  Speaker 5: in my head. I could be completely wrong. It's entirely
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  Speaker 5: unfair of me to think that. I'm sorry, it's the
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  Speaker 5: way I think. Number two, Brett. Sometimes you gotta cut
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  Speaker 5: to heel and we're gonna have to eat it right now.
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  Speaker 5: We're gonna have to bite this bullet. You're gonna have
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  Speaker 5: to cut to heel. And if that means your next
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  Speaker 5: project is getting rid of Cam Johnson for nothing, or
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  Speaker 5: attaching a second to it, or whatever it may be,
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  Speaker 5: that's what you're gonna see. Now. The other side is
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  Speaker 5: we're gonna have to hope and pray that Bagley plays well,
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  Speaker 5: that this Diallo kid from Europe comes in and is
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  Speaker 5: actually a player of some kind, that Lonnie Walker can contribute,
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  Speaker 5: that the one of the draft picks Brazil, that he
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  Speaker 5: is actually a player like we saw down in the
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  Speaker 5: Summer League, and maybe he's.
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  Speaker 3: A diamond in the rofer. By the way, where the
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  Speaker 3: hell is Deron Holmes?
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  Speaker 5: What's he doing? And why do we have fifteen guys
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  Speaker 5: on an NBA bench? If? Why don't see a guy
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  Speaker 5: play for decades? I'm pissed about that.
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  Speaker 6: When are you gonna allow me to go through the
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  Speaker 6: three year history of Nuggets transactions to tell you how
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  Speaker 6: we got to where we are today and why I
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  Speaker 6: saw this coming months ago and to no one's.
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  Speaker 4: Surprised, we were told this, guys.
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  Speaker 6: We had somebody on our show who basically told us
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  Speaker 6: this was coming. And the uproar is funny from you, BRD.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's almost funny because.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're a clown.
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  Speaker 6: You It's like you didn't pay attention at school and
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  Speaker 6: all of a sudden, but you are because you didn't
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  Speaker 6: pay attention, you.
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  Speaker 3: Aren't listening here.
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  Speaker 4: Months later going wait, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: Vic, you aren't listening to any clowns. I'll repeat this again.
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  Speaker 2: I knew that you were going to take a wash
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  Speaker 2: on somebody, that somebody of value was gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: leave this roster and make the team worse. And you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna have to do that because guess what the tab
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  Speaker 2: came do? You kept throwing out IOU's and then they
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  Speaker 2: said it's time to pay up.
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  Speaker 3: I knew that was happening. I didn't want it to
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  Speaker 3: happen with the twenty three year old. I wouldn't rather
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  Speaker 3: have that happen to anybody else on the coster.
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  Speaker 6: All right, you didn't want to tap it to the
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  Speaker 6: twenty three year old who had And I love Peyton Watson.
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  Speaker 4: I texted him yesterday. I said, best to luck, my man.
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  Speaker 6: You are a stud twenty three year old who had
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  Speaker 6: one month of production, who has not proven himself in
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  Speaker 6: the playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: Can we agree that true?
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  Speaker 5: Correct?
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  Speaker 4: He has not proven anything in the playoff?
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  Speaker 5: That is absolutely true? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: Correct?
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  Speaker 6: So you didn't want to trade him, and I agree
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  Speaker 6: neither did I. I think he could be a superstar.
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  Speaker 6: We don't know. I think he can, we don't know.
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  Speaker 6: But let me ask you this, they had other contracts
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  Speaker 6: they could have traded in the off season. Do you
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  Speaker 6: think they tried to trade Jamal Murray?
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  Speaker 5: I do.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they explored it.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think they tried to trade Aaron Gordon?
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they explored it.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think they explored to trade the Christian Brown?
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they did.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think they tried to trade Cam Johnson?
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  Speaker 7: Yes?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Why couldn't they trade any.
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  Speaker 5: Of those because because everybody's up against the cap?
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  Speaker 6: Why do you think none of those players were tradable?
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  Speaker 3: Hold On, I still go back to this.
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  Speaker 2: It's this is one of two things, and this is
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  Speaker 2: what I can't figure out. I go back to the
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  Speaker 2: tweet from about a month ago. Uh Mark Stein, who
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  Speaker 2: I think out of all the NBA reporters, has this
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  Speaker 2: his whatever his group is now, his own little thing
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  Speaker 2: is publication.
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  Speaker 3: He is the Stein people.
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  Speaker 2: Mark Stein people have been all over this story when
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  Speaker 2: they have said the Nuggets have rebuffed multiple Cam Johnson trades,
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  Speaker 2: that they have rejected them. Not they've been rejected, they
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  Speaker 2: rejected that.
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  Speaker 4: Did you know what that means?
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  Speaker 6: When when teams say that, what that means they couldn't
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  Speaker 6: get anything that they wanted for Cam Johnson?
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  Speaker 4: So what do you What do you tell the media?
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  Speaker 6: I've said around a long time, and I know the
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  Speaker 6: buzzwords and the code words.
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  Speaker 4: I know how this business.
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  Speaker 6: Works, and I'm not trying to tell you something that
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  Speaker 6: you don't know already know when when teams say we've
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  Speaker 6: rebuffed' what do you think that means?
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  Speaker 5: But?
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  Speaker 3: Can I ask you?
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  Speaker 4: This?
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  Speaker 2: Is this what you're telling me? That there is zero
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  Speaker 2: trade that existed that would get Cam Johnson somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: Cam Johnson's a good player on a reasonable contract with
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  Speaker 2: an expiring contract. There's just I'm sorry, there's no way
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  Speaker 2: anybody can convince me that he was not wanted by
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  Speaker 2: anyone in the league for anything. What I'm telling you
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  Speaker 2: is the anything that they would have given me. If
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  Speaker 2: they would have given me gum from their pocket and
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  Speaker 2: said this for Cam Johnson, I would have done that
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  Speaker 2: to keep Peyton Whting.
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  Speaker 6: I'm telling you, your instincts are correct. Your instincts are correct. You,
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  Speaker 6: like every other, should be angry that the Nuggets are
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  Speaker 6: without Peyton Watson, a good, young, promising player that you developed.
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  Speaker 4: Your instincts are correct.
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  Speaker 6: Now to take your instincts and to assume that they
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  Speaker 6: don't think the same.
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  Speaker 4: Thing is dumb.
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  Speaker 8: Like you do.
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  Speaker 6: Of what they wanted to keep him too, of course,
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  Speaker 6: but they couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's it's weird, couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: What's weird to me, VIC is at the end of
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  Speaker 2: this here's where you ended up. You ended up in
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  Speaker 2: a place for Peyton Watson is no longer on this roster,
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  Speaker 2: which was always a possibility, one that I hated, but
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  Speaker 2: I knew it was possible. But you ended up without
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  Speaker 2: Peyton Watson on this roster and still in the second
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  Speaker 2: apron And.
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  Speaker 6: That's what really traps my ass, to be honest with you, Well,
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  Speaker 6: that's what the draft picks are going to help you
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  Speaker 6: get out of. I mean, they're not done yet, but
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  Speaker 6: they're not done yet. There's gonna be more moves, are there?
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  Speaker 6: Cost cutting moves obviously, and perhaps acquisition moves.
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  Speaker 4: Perhaps. See the whole thing about.
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  Speaker 6: Peyton Watson going to Cleveland and people say, well, why
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  Speaker 6: didn't they get a player in return?
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  Speaker 4: Well, they couldn't get a player.
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  Speaker 6: Unless they cost unless they cut costs, unless a player
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  Speaker 6: was going out.
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  Speaker 4: And the only way to cut costs is to attach
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  Speaker 4: draft picks. Guy.
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  Speaker 6: The only reason the Nuggets are here is because they
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  Speaker 6: ran out of picks because they used them recklessly over
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  Speaker 6: the last three years. And I have I have it
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: right here in front of me. I'll tell you where
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: they made the mistakes. I tell you where they made
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: the missteps, and the misstep missteps and mistakes were made
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: out of coming off a championship window in when your
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: your anxiety level. Man, we got to keep this thing rolling,
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: and you're doing everything you can to keep it rolling,
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: and you made some missteps in that and the intention
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: the road to hell is paid with good intentions.
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: The intentions were good, of course. The execution and the
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: unfortunate nature of injuries and so on, that's bad. By
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: the way, Chad Brown, he's a what set, He's in
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: a set vic a step, so.
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: You know, it's just it's just it's farming to me
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: for those who listen to this show, and and for
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: my own co host to be this surprised and this
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: angry when I told you this was coming.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: You aren't hearing me. I'm not surprised at the cost
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: cutting move.
• 17:03
  Speaker 8: I'm not.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I know that I knew that forever. I knew it
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: as long as you did.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I'm upset with the person they chose to cut costs
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: on that's it.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: I'm upset that you did it.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: And it feels like what you got was a pick
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: five years from now, another pick six years from now,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: and you're going to now use those picks to get
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: rid of more things, which cuts the value of the
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: trade even more because you're still in the second Apron.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: But Brett, don't you think what I'm saying is unreasonable
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: at all? And I knew the situation they were in.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: The question to me was who are you going to
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: decide to decide to take the bath on that's it, okay.
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: And I'm here to tell you they didn't decide. It
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: was Peyton Watson. They were forced into it. That's what
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to tell you. You both are correct, You're just
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: you're not meeting in the middle.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Last thing on this for me. You keep Peyton Watson,
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: you get your wish. They're still going to have to
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: cut someplace else desperately and attach things to it. They
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: wouldn't have things to attach to it if not for
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: trading Peyton Watson. They would have had to get out
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: of the second Apron any way. So it's a rock
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: and a hard place, and there's no there's no one
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: way to get from point A to point.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: My last thought is, do you think the Nuggets waltzed
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: into the off season saying, God, all right, we're gonna
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: trade a twenty three year old with an extreme upside
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: to really fix it. Of course that was their last option.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think all of this went as
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: literally the way that they envisioned the offseason the front office.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I think everything went as bad as they could have
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: possibly imagined, as far as the landscape of what everything
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: looked like.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: I'm adding him to the mos list to when I'm
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: on the mose list, Peyton Watson.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Of what what list?
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Nolan? Oh, come on, ninety six.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Don't be screw him, stop it, don't don't screw me.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing that.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: Screw him, screw him.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: So look, so you're gonna hate the guy because he
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: got paid.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, whatever, dude, here's what we're gonna do.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: So, so you would prefer that he paid for what?
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: Do you prefer that he played for the minimum for
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: the rest of his career.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: To appease you?
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: That'd be awesome.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: So here's what we're gonna do. We have this contest
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: going on. It's at seven to twenty. So we're gonna
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: give out a name right now for a winner of
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the Nuggets four pack. So seven to twenty. We told
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: you listen every hour on the twenties, and here's what
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: You're gonna get a chance to win a four pack
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: to the four games that you most want to see.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And so we'll have the names right now, the chance
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: for you to get four games of your choosing the
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: four games that you most want to see this season.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: If we don't get a winner the next.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Four minutes, then we'll have another name that we will
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: draw at eight twenty this morning. So Nelly, if you could,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: could you give the winner, yes or yes, I'm.
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: Gonna get I'm gonna give the name. And then this
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: person has four minutes to call in. And if they
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: call in those four minutes, you got the tickets. But
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: you got you gotta get in. And so on the
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: clock right now we have Sean Coppel, Sean Coppel, Sean
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: cople you have four minutes.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: To call in to claim your four pack for the Nuggets,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: four minutes starting right now. Back after this, all right,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: So this contest that we have, which is a four
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: game pick'em plan of your choosing. We said the winner
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: at seven to twenty.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Spell the last name if you will have Stephen, you.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Have or you had four minutes to call in and
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: you were on a strict timer, and Sean Coppel called
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: in about thirty seconds after he heard his name. So
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Sean Copple, congratulations, you are the winner of our nuggets four.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Pat don't worry.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Ten twenty is going to be your next chance to
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: do so with coaching Raj.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: And here's the good news.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: If you're just hearing about this for the first time,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: all you have to do is go to out the
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: dude sports right dot com slash win.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: You can still get registered.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: There's not been a win or picked yet, so get
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: in pick your games. You got a chance with coaching Raj,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: you got a chance with PhD, you got a chance
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: with Krekman Lindahl. All of them on the twenties will
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: be doing the same thing that we just did.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: I know as Sean Capele, but you're telling me this
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: is Sean Copole Copel, So whatever Copele.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: We'll have.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Katie Wenjy joined us at seven forty five to not
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: only break you down this news of the Peyton Watson trade,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: but also to announce a new broadcast team, which VIC
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I know you guys are pumped that that's finally gotten
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: announced yesterday with some of the new names that will
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: be joining the Nuggets broadcast, including Jason Richardson is going
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: to be in studio with you.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Correct, yes he is, And.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: I'm pretty pumped to have a two time Slam dunk champion.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: To have a fellow live above the rim type of
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: player in studio. Not many people can align with others
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: that live above the rim, so we can talk about
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: dunk coops and all that business. So I can't wait
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: to work with Sir richards So they should just call
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: the pregame in postgame and half above the Rim, Yes,
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: what they should just call it?
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: Should just change the name of the whole show.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: And when I talked to people about living up there
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: in that atmosphere, most don't understand. This guy does. So
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: we'll be able to have that chemistry.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, of course. And and Lauren Gardner occasionally we'll have
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: that conversation.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: With you as well.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: The most belittling thing ever is when they had to
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: take the team picture next to six foot seven, Bill
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: Hans like six foot six, Jason Richardson six foot four,
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: Noah Reid, and Katie was wearing heels. I think she
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: was seven foot eleven with heals. So and then I
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: showed up at the end just going huh sweet.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: These things is not like the other You guys know
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: what he's different?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Do you know All the Smoke podcast that has Stephen
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Jackson And who's the other person on the All the Smoke.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Podcast, Matt Barnes.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Matt Barnes, do you know they had as a guest
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the other day.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Danny DeVito, and they took a picture that's awesome and
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: it's the funniest picture I've ever seen. Now they actually
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: pull that up. Pull up, Matt Barnes. Look at this, Vic,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: you think you look tiny? Danny DeVito between Matt Barnes.
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: And DeVito just saying.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: That's incredible.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy?
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: That's amazing?
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Danny was I knew he was small.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: I didn't know he was that small, but then again,
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: those are NBA players.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you shrink as you get older too, Vic,
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: I guess DeVito height, you guys guess it? What is
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: four foot?
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Four foot?
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Four foot?
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: I'll say four foot nine, four foot ten, wow, although
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: sometimes noted as five foot zero in older profiles.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: That's the shrink kids, that you shrinkage.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Hey, a couple of things real quick though, as you
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: were talking about the broadcast team and everything. LG's back. Yes,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: so I had to keep that at the reps for
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: quite long time. But now the cat is out of
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: the bag.
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: That's good.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: So we'll talk about Katie.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Talk about that with Katie Wenjy at seven forty five
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: this morning.
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: And by the way, Jason Richardson, he's already been on
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: our airwaves a little bit. You may remember this was
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: last Nugget season. He called one game in the booth
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: with cos and was very enthusiastic.
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: Throws it down motor cam Johnson kickoff three Gordon.
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: Shop by Aaron Gordon.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: So we're gonna get that a little bit good.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: So we'll talk more about this with Katie Wenjy Vic.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Let's go through your how we got here at like
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: eight o'clock this morning.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because I mean that's gonna it's it's gonna take
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: an entire segment because a lot of fans are upset,
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: and rightfully so, I mean you should be upset, But
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: I think you're upset for the wrong reasons. You're upset
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: at what happened last night rather than what led to
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: last night.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: So let me.
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: Reappropriate your frustration. How's that I'm upset for what happened
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: last night because I did vic I didn't get a wink.
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: I should have called you should you should have texted
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: me At four in the morning. I was wide awake
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: last thing on this because I can't be the only one. No,
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: it's totally stuffed, right stuffed.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: And then it's my ears are squeaking and popping every
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: time I blow, you know, you get but then it's dripping.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Then then there's drips coming out. And yeah, I mean
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: every minute and a half, there's drips coming out.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: And I'm so glad to return to Mosure's daily bodily
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: function updates. For three days, I was one, because you
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: know that, I was for three days and I was
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: wondering to myself, God, you know, here I am. I
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: wonder how Moser's nose is doing. I just couldn't wait.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Welcome back now, thanks, well, you're welcome now, you.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: Know, you know, And it's I can't be the only
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: one with these allergies. It's incredibly frustrating. Vic.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Do you know what Chad Brown told me when we
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: went to break during Broncos camp.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: He always like this exactly what he says. Know, I
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: get that all the time.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: He's he's like this all the time, all the time,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: all the time, all the time, all the time.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: So let's do that twenty four to seven.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Just for a couple of minutes.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to Katie Winchy at seven forty five about
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: the new broadcast team, about the the Peyton Watson trade.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: We'll get vics how we got here at eight o'clock,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: just for a moment. I heard something yesterday from Sean
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Payton that you know, he was the only one that
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: wasn't asked about the camp fight from a couple of
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: days ago, and he had a response to it. But
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: he said something about the fights that I think is interesting.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't know this was a new thing this year.
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: Go ahead, and Nellie, well, it's something they just need
• 26:34
  Speaker 11: to know how it's going to be officiated. And look
• 26:37
  Speaker 11: every one of these games, Like you know, I said
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: to him last night, let me know the game where
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: we're fighting, and then obviously then we're not as concerned
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: about winning that game, and then you know, I'll kind
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: of measure up the head coach and see where we go.
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: And you know, we can all get ejected, but the
• 26:51
  Speaker 11: games are too important.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: So the sorry, that was maybe the wrong cut. He
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: talks about there's something new this year. Okay, let's try
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: this again. Go ahead, Nelly.
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: No, but we covered last night. What's new from an
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: officiating standpoint. This is our first season where they can
• 27:10
  Speaker 11: go to replay in New York and remove a player.
• 27:14
  Speaker 11: So with that being the case, you know it's gonna
• 27:19
  Speaker 11: be hard to be the guy.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: That gets, oh, the first jab.
• 27:22
  Speaker 11: You know they're going to be able to go to
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: replay and get it right.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, So we discussed that. So here's what Sean Payton
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: was talking about. Victor was a fight at camp a
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: couple of days ago. He didn't call it a fight.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: It was a tussle, is what Sean Payton called it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: It was this, let's call it a tussle.
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: After I got a chance to watch the film. There
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: were no punches.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: It was just a tussle, A tussle and a do
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Donnie brook a broo.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: I heard, I heard, Nellie Stephen, your command of the
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: English language is just terrible.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: But listen, here's the important part mode.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: But there's no follow up to that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: That's that's all. Well, that's all you need, Donny brook
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Donnie brook Is is like, I mean, that's that's old
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: school hockey. Yeahifies a little tussle, you know, a little tussle.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, But listen, Donny Brooks, you're getting it all.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Lots of people are getting it old chucking knock.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: We all know what happens in the NFL with a fight.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Here's what happens. Play gets over, a couple of guys
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: getting each other's face.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: One guy does this, hits the other guy, the other
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: guy throws a punch back, and the second guy is
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: always the guy that gets battered, right, that's what they say.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Second guy is always the one that gets the flag.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: He's always the one that gets ejected. It's always that.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Sean Payton says, they go to review now whenever there's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: a fight, they will look at the review. Now, you
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: can't be the first guy sneaking in a cheap shot
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: hoping to get penalty.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: You're both if not just you was gonna get penalized.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: There's now a a old school hockey instigator clause.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: That's now in this.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Well, Vic. As you well know nowadays in the NFL,
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: the amount of cameras mounted around a football field, including
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: skycam which is flying all over the place, they're not
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: going to miss anything.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: How about a practice? Most how many guys?
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: One day I tried to count all the cameras at
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: a Broncos training camp practice and I lost count.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I lost count.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: They have so many cameras. I think they had one
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: dedicated to my bare feet, just mos his feet on
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: the screen.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: So those those poles that they erect, you know that
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: come up before practice, they have them in every quadrant.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: Do you know that those poles each feature four cameras.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: When I walked by, VIC, I saw this.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Are you getting like twos?
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: There's a guy, Yeah, there's a guy looking at each
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: monitor to make sure those cameras are pointed in the
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: same direction.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: That's a little mini truck behind the film posts.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: Yes, and they have several of them, so they're getting
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: looks at every angle from a practice. There is nothing
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: anyone can you at a practice and get away with
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: it without.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: A camera record.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: So moj the next time you pick your nose or
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: eat eighteen mini donuts during the commercial break. Trust me
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: when I say this, the Broncos see everything. You would
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: have been so proud. Wait, you would have been so proud.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: The last day camp Thick Broncos pr comes out and
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: gives us donuts. They're very nice, little a little exit pack.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: And Abby, Abby would she right on there like something like?
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: Uh?
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: I think they they said we love you, never leave.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that is not what they said.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: You guys got donuts on the list.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and last day they all brought the radio tense donuts.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: How many do you think most threw down?
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: He only ate one one and.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Positive by the way, for the last couple of minutes here,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: before we get to Katie Wenji Vick, you haven't talked
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: about your thoughts on the first preseason game.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: What do you think?
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: I really love the tempo of the offense. And I
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: know you guys probably talked about that ad nauseum earlier
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: in the week. But my biggest takeaway from that game
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: two things. Jonah Coleman looks like the real deal. And
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: I love the Davis web bow Nicks.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: And I know Bo wasn't playing, but I'm.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Going to love the way they operate because I love
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: the way he and Steady operated quick play calls, no delay,
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: great mix, move the team up down Now. Just because
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: you had success doesn't mean you're going to have it
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: next time, right, You could have the exact same play
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: calls and they go backwards. But I love the temperature,
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: that the timeliness.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: It was quick, quick, quick.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: You're one hundred percent correct on that. By the way,
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: I talked about that one Coleman run up the middle
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: that he gets hit and he spins out of the
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: tackle and keeps his legs churning. At the end of
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: that run, he falls forward, which is huge for me. Yeah,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: I'm a big fall forward guy. But the Falcons vic
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: it looked like they wanted to be anywhere else but
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: a football field. That's Friday night, and I completely agree.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: I think that when Web and Nicks really get it down,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: it's going to be killer. But there are going to
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: be times when defenses are throwing things at Davis. Webery's
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: going God dang that. You know there's going to be
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: a slight hesitation, slight indecisiveness. How do you overcome all
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: that that comes with the growth in the territory here.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I still love that it's exactly what Vic said, you
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: know in Chad Brown corrected me, I guess on this,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: and he is right to a certain extent. They looked
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: like they were in rhythm because the plays were working.
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  Speaker 4: And that's true.
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  Speaker 6: Usually when the plays work and it takes you sixth
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: plays to score a touchdown, the rhythm part is easy, right.
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  Speaker 2: The part that I'm talking about is there were numerous times,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: whether it was Stidham or Ellinger, that they were at
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage with fifteen seconds left in the
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: play clock, exactly able to look at the entire field,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: read the defense, all that different stuff. What I didn't
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: see is the quarterback doing this huh or this yeah,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: yeah or whatever.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't see that now, and that to me is
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: an advancement. That's something perhaps with Sean Payton it took
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: him a little longer to get the call in.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's still gone. It's still gone.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, for a young quarterback, that's death.
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: So we'll.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Talk about that rhythm.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: You can feel the beat in the rhythm of the night,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: that's what That's what Vic missed. And then Vick, you
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: can dance until the morning light.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: So we're going to a break, and we're gonna welcome
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Katie Wingy as she talks about the new broadcast crew
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: that we have for the Nuggets coming up this season
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: along with the Peyton Watson trade.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Katie Wenjy. Next, all right, let's sen out to.
• 33:37
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• 33:39
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• 33:42
  Speaker 3: As we welcome in Katie Whimsy.
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  Speaker 12: Hello, Katie, Hi, fellas, how are we this morning?
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I was excited about the announcement of the broadcast team
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: yesterday and then the trade thing happened, and I don't know.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm feeling this morning, Katie.
• 33:59
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that's a fair that's a fair response. Kaner. I'm
• 34:02
  Speaker 12: on vacation in Minnesota with my family, and of course
• 34:05
  Speaker 12: all this happens during this time, you know what I mean?
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 34:08
  Speaker 12: If I could have bet on when any moves would
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: have been made, it would have been now.
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: First of all, Katie, congratulations on your full time role
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: as an NBA analyst.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: I know you are.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Now is it three women who play that role in
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: the NBA?
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Are you the third?
• 34:25
  Speaker 12: I am the third?
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: For the other two Sarah Kustack and Katie Christiansen. So
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: Kusack is with the Brooklyn Nets, and then Katie Christiansen
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: is with the Sacramento Kings.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, as I was sitting and I texted you,
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: I'm sitting in Rochester yesterday o the day before, and
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: I'm thinking to myself, God, Katie was here like five
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: six years ago, just owning this town, and now she's
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: running lead analyst with the Denver Nuggets. I mean, what
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: a run to the top that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: Was for you. Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 12: I started off in small market local TV in Rochester,
• 34:59
  Speaker 12: Minnesota and was a news producer slash sports anchor, you know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 12: the drillvic and decided to pay some of my my
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: local TV views.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: They whoa way, whoa, whoa whoa. Now we've got two
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: of them. Brett.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: You ready, you used to be on the news barely barely.
• 35:19
  Speaker 12: I don't even know if I, yeah fall under that category.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: But yes, well, congrats Katie or We're all happy for you.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: And uh, I know that you're you're heading into a
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: season in which the Nuggets there's like a lot of uncertainty.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Like here's one thing, we know the Nuggets will be good,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: but what do you think of Nuggets post Peyton Watson
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: trade and what do you think happens now.
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it is interesting, Vic, I know you you posted
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: something like you weren't sure that they were done yet.
• 35:45
  Speaker 12: I do think that they may not be done making
• 35:48
  Speaker 12: moves and solidifying their roster in the way that they
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: want to. I think guys kind of the reality in
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: my mind of the situation is they are doubling down
• 35:56
  Speaker 12: on their core. Maybe this is the final shot for
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: them to see what they have or see what they're
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: capable of. Rather it's probably the better way to say it,
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: But to me, it all comes down to how do
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: you manage the guys that you have invested in in
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: a way that ensures that they are healthy come playoff time.
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: You really have to think through that and be cautious
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: in the way that you utilize them early on in
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: the season. I believe making sure that everybody is, you know,
• 36:24
  Speaker 12: taking care of their bodies and the way that they
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: need to. I just think that needs to be even
• 36:27
  Speaker 12: maybe a greater point of emphasis than we've ever seen
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: with this team. Because the dudes that are mature now
• 36:34
  Speaker 12: on this roster, that are older, they're going to need
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: to play and they're going to need to play well
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: if and Nuggets really want to have a chance to
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: contend for a championship, and they're more than capable of
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: doing that, right, Like, we know what this team is
• 36:45
  Speaker 12: capable of when they're all playing up to their potential.
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: But it's just a matter of making sure that you
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: know their their bodies can handle it well, kay.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Doub That's that's kind of the key to me. Look,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, I mean when you look at their their
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: starting five, they're still there, right, I mean, yeah, you
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: still got those guys. And is Christian Brown even in
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: his prime young? I think the answer is no. But
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: the other four guys are right in the middle of
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: their prime. But I look at this, Katie, and again,
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: some of it's hoping that I hope this guy can
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: step I hope Diallo can contribute. I hope that Deron
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Holmes is a well human being and not just a
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: cardboard cutout this kind of thing. The margin now, with
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: the way the bench is, it's gonna be really thin,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: and these guys are gonna have to stay healthy or
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: you're doomed.
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: Well, and most too, to your point, like you're gonna
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: have to have young guys grow up a little bit
• 37:31
  Speaker 12: quicker than maybe you thought. I think you're gonna have
• 37:34
  Speaker 12: to trust them in a way that you maybe haven't
• 37:36
  Speaker 12: had to in past seasons because you have had a
• 37:39
  Speaker 12: little bit more bench steps like you're gonna have. You're
• 37:42
  Speaker 12: either these are your options, right, You're either going to
• 37:44
  Speaker 12: run your starters into the ground through an eighty two
• 37:48
  Speaker 12: game season and hope that they can come out on
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: the other side healthy and they've done what they needed
• 37:52
  Speaker 12: you to be ready to do that, Or you're gonna
• 37:54
  Speaker 12: have to play young guys and let them play through
• 37:56
  Speaker 12: mistakes and know that there's gonna be some growing pains,
• 37:58
  Speaker 12: but hey, maybe they'll be more ready to go come
• 38:01
  Speaker 12: playoff time and they'll be more solidified in their spot
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: and their role and what the NBA game is really like.
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: So and that obviously is is up to David Adelman
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: and what he sees starting at training camp here in
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: about a month and what players he feels like can
• 38:15
  Speaker 12: fit within the core group and the system that he's
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: already established. So I'm excited to see maybe who is
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: who surprises us, you know what I mean, Like who's
• 38:25
  Speaker 12: been putting in the work this offseason, who maybe fits
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: the system when they're given a greater opportunity.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: You know, listening to.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: You talk about this team right now, we're all in
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: that mode. And Brett Kane started the show and he
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: was you should have heard him. I mean, we have
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: to talk him off the ledge, Katie.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: The bottom line, he's a very he's a very emotional being.
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: We all professional.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Yes, he's dead to me, now go ahead.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: I mean that's most your typical.
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: But what I'm trying to what I'm trying to convince
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: them of, Katie, is this what it happened to the
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: Nuggets last night having to trade Peyton Watson. It didn't
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: happen last night. This is a function of what happened
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: over the last three years and trying to become a
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: win now team. Sometimes you have to pay that you
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: have to sign that check, and you have to cash
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: that check, and last night they had to cash it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Last night was a tough pill to swallow. But it
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: wasn't last night.
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: It was the three years that led to last night
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: perhaps well.
• 39:26
  Speaker 12: And we have a championship in that window too, right
• 39:28
  Speaker 12: so I know we're greedy when it comes to winning,
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: and I think all of us will always be that way.
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: Especially with this team and when Nikole Jokic is on it.
• 39:36
  Speaker 12: But you had to do what you had to do
• 39:38
  Speaker 12: to win, and you won, and now you kind of
• 39:41
  Speaker 12: have to show the receipts of that in a new
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: way and in a way that you couldn't have predicted
• 39:45
  Speaker 12: at that time. The league has changed, the aprons and
• 39:49
  Speaker 12: all of those things that are associated with it that
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: you've had to adjust and pivot and move, and there
• 39:54
  Speaker 12: have been some major changes that have had to take
• 39:56
  Speaker 12: place in terms of what the Nuggets want roster wise
• 39:59
  Speaker 12: because of that. So honestly, there are ways to look
• 40:03
  Speaker 12: at you can you can. I'm sad about it too.
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: Peyton Watson was tremendous. I loved watching the growth and
• 40:08
  Speaker 12: the steps that he took last season. He absolutely earned
• 40:11
  Speaker 12: the deal that he got a pleasure to work with
• 40:14
  Speaker 12: in the locker room. And you got to look at
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: it as hey credit. You know a lot of the
• 40:18
  Speaker 12: Nuggets staffed too for developing these younger players and making
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: them NBA ready. Now can you do it again? Can
• 40:24
  Speaker 12: you bring in this new way and these new young
• 40:27
  Speaker 12: players and find a way to help them grow as
• 40:29
  Speaker 12: quickly as possible? Is there another you know, Peyton Watson
• 40:32
  Speaker 12: that's already in that locker room that we don't even
• 40:34
  Speaker 12: know about yet, and the way that they choose to
• 40:36
  Speaker 12: utilize those players.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Katie wins you with us on the Ramos Law Hotline.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: So Katie, tell the people about this new guy who
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you be calling games with.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Who is this dude?
• 40:47
  Speaker 12: Noah? I actually met him for the first time about
• 40:50
  Speaker 12: a week ago. I mean, you guys, he's from Indiana.
• 40:54
  Speaker 12: Like basketball's in his blood, right, like he after talking
• 40:58
  Speaker 12: to him and spending some time with it, he's just
• 41:01
  Speaker 12: so grateful and excited for the opportunity. The thing that
• 41:04
  Speaker 12: he really wants to bring to the broadcast is his
• 41:06
  Speaker 12: passion and his love for the game. And I think,
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: you know, you combo that with me, who feels very
• 41:11
  Speaker 12: similarly about basketball and the way that it can bring
• 41:14
  Speaker 12: people together. And I think I think we're gonna have
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: a lot of fun. I think people are really going
• 41:18
  Speaker 12: to enjoy the broadcasts. So he's really excited to get going,
• 41:21
  Speaker 12: and I know you're gonna feel the energy that he
• 41:23
  Speaker 12: brings from the jump.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: So the other new member of this team, by the way,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard this last year, because
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: we got a taste of it when he was sitting
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: in with Cause for a couple of games.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Nelly.
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: Throws it down mode to Cam Johnson, kickout three Gordon.
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: Yah, TuS up by Aaron Gordon for.
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: Free, kick out three Gordon again.
• 41:46
  Speaker 8: To back frees. Bye Aaron Gordon.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: That would be Jason Richardson, who was very excited to
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: yell about threes.
• 41:55
  Speaker 12: Clearly he has got some experience doing that already.
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: Huh, exactly, you know, and I know you can't wait
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: to work with both of those guys. And I want
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: to make sure that I ask you this because we
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: have this conversation personally and even Noah, with changes are made,
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: especially changes like this, it's never easy listen. For the
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: last quarter century, Nuggets fans got their Nuggets games through
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: the eyes and voice of Chris Marlow, Scott Hastings, Chris Dempsey.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: And I know I'm not going to speak for you,
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: but I'm going to ask you. I know you wouldn't
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: be here without their shepherding, without their mentorship, without their help,
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: and I know you praised them on the way into
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: your role.
• 42:38
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm so grateful that you brought that up, because
• 42:42
  Speaker 12: Marlow Hastings and Demps are Nuggets broadcasting legends, And obviously
• 42:46
  Speaker 12: I worked most closely with Hastings and Marlow, and what
• 42:50
  Speaker 12: I have learned from them as a human, as a professional,
• 42:55
  Speaker 12: it is invaluable. I would not even be in this
• 42:58
  Speaker 12: position to have an opportunity to sit in this seat
• 43:00
  Speaker 12: without both of them and their grace and their willingness
• 43:03
  Speaker 12: to let me use my voice in a valuable way.
• 43:06
  Speaker 12: And I, just like you said, Vic, change is never, never,
• 43:11
  Speaker 12: never easy. And when these two people are all I've
• 43:15
  Speaker 12: ever known working at Altitude, they're all a lot of
• 43:18
  Speaker 12: Nuggets fans have known watching Altitude. And we talked about this,
• 43:23
  Speaker 12: like there are Nuggets fans that have literally never known
• 43:26
  Speaker 12: anything else, Like they've become Nuggets fans because of the
• 43:29
  Speaker 12: way that Marlow and Hastings entered their living rooms for
• 43:33
  Speaker 12: every single game and made them fall in love with
• 43:36
  Speaker 12: this team. And my hope is that I can I
• 43:39
  Speaker 12: can carry on some of that legacy in my own way.
• 43:43
  Speaker 12: And I know Noah kind of feels the same about
• 43:45
  Speaker 12: like having this great opportunity, but we both are are
• 43:48
  Speaker 12: very aware of the fact that those two are historic
• 43:51
  Speaker 12: when it comes to broadcasting in the State of Colorado
• 43:54
  Speaker 12: and with the Denver Nuggets. So bittersweet to have this
• 43:58
  Speaker 12: opportunity knowing that they won't be around, but endlessly, endlessly
• 44:03
  Speaker 12: grateful for everything they've done for the Organization for Altitude,
• 44:07
  Speaker 12: for the city of Denver.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: Really, Katy All said, well said, and I didn't. To
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: be honest with you, I'd be okay with all that,
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: But when we took our team photo, the fact that
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: I had to stand next to you and you basically
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: laughed at me by wearing that I did not.
• 44:22
  Speaker 12: Vic, I did not. I said, we almost have a
• 44:24
  Speaker 12: starting five now.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, But the fact that you had to had to
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: wear your heels while pictured next to me and made
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: me feel smaller than I already am. We could have
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: just thought, you should have rethought that.
• 44:40
  Speaker 12: You know what, I have no regrets.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: There's there's one thing for sure in that photo, Vic,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: you're the point guard of that start.
• 44:49
  Speaker 12: Needs a point guard. That's exactly correct. Unfortunately he doesn't
• 44:54
  Speaker 12: pass very often, but we'll work.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: On that ball.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: You're the best. Congratulations, we'll talk soon.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: Like it up.
• 45:00
  Speaker 12: I thinks, guys sounds good.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Kitty Wingji joining us on the Ramas Law hot line.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: So a little preview of what the Nuggets broadcast team
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: will look like this upcoming season, again with a little
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: mix in of this Peyton Watson trade and what happens,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: but it's what Vick's been talking about. Peyton Watson trade
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: is one thing, but how did we get to trading
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Peyton Watson for a first and second round pick.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: We'll get to it next Dead to Me