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Tigers Trade Proposals · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Are the Ball
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  Speaker 1: Territory Network. I think you can Writiger's podcast. I am
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  Speaker 1: Karen Steckley with me as always as a man who's
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  Speaker 1: riding a screenplay and its title is Pardon My Flag Planting?
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  Speaker 2: He is Cody Stavenhagen. How you doing?
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  Speaker 3: You got a lot going on with that one. I
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  Speaker 3: do want to write a screenplay someday. I think there'd
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  Speaker 3: be something cool to do about like a sportswriter who
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  Speaker 3: somehow gets like sucked into a gambling ring or something.
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  Speaker 3: Not I've ever experienced that, but just like maybe he's
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  Speaker 3: like covering a gambling ring and then the gamblers come
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  Speaker 3: after him. I don't know. I just think there's some
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  Speaker 3: cool ideas there. So yeah, let's.
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  Speaker 2: Seem up on that.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think that that's a that's a million
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  Speaker 1: dollar idea. So, uh, you guys, you watchers and listeners
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  Speaker 1: will be the first to know when that is uh,
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  Speaker 1: when that is ready for publication. So if anybody's got
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  Speaker 1: any studio exec connects, let your boy, all right, So
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  Speaker 1: this episode is really theoretical in nature. That's kind of
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  Speaker 1: the best way to put this. We are oh, I
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  Speaker 1: mean by this time next week we will be through
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  Speaker 1: with winter meetings, so like we kind of wanted and
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be some buzz that happened, so we kind
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  Speaker 1: of want to get ahead of this. We talked about uh,
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  Speaker 1: Nolan Aeronato trade possibility last week, and then we asked,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ask the listeners, you know, give us some
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  Speaker 1: names if you want to go as far as some possibilities,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we'll kind of talk about them, use some
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  Speaker 1: inspiration and and so like that's what we're gonna do
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  Speaker 1: in this episode.
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  Speaker 2: So it's it's.
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  Speaker 1: All in theory. It's all kind of fun. It's really
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  Speaker 1: it's like the theory deep Dive episode really of Tiger
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  Speaker 1: territory and so there's there's it's a blank camus so
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  Speaker 1: everything is technically possible doing this exercise.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get to that, though, I did want to
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  Speaker 1: sort of ask you, Cody, because you know, things are
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  Speaker 1: happening constantly, Rumors are out there, and you know you're
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  Speaker 1: you're talking to people in and out of the game,
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  Speaker 1: like do we have as we were about what six
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  Speaker 1: ish days from this Nolan kind of loose idea thing
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  Speaker 1: kind of being floated out there for the Tigers, like
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  Speaker 1: do we have any sort of gauge on I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if realistic is the right word or just like
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  Speaker 1: the parameters involved in like how realistic the possibility is realistic?
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  Speaker 2: The possibility? What a phrase? Realistic the possibility?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get what you're saying, Like I have. I've
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  Speaker 3: thought about that. It ended up getting a lot of
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  Speaker 3: kind of response and more play on social media than
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  Speaker 3: I would have expected and probably would have liked. But like,
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  Speaker 3: I think the Tiger's interest in Arnatto is an option.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't mean it's going to happen. That doesn't mean
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  Speaker 3: it's dead set, But I think there are some people
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  Speaker 3: in the front office who find it to be an
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  Speaker 3: intriguing option to explore, and especially when you kind of
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  Speaker 3: take a name too context, like if the Tigers are
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  Speaker 3: serious about acquiring a third baseman, who are you gonna get?
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  Speaker 3: I think there is one guy who checks every box
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  Speaker 3: and as Alex Bregman, and he is naturally going to
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  Speaker 3: be the most expensive, and depending on what other teams do,
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  Speaker 3: perhaps out of their reach and get Willia Domis to play.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, it'speosibly the Yankees are prepared to go
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  Speaker 3: in all in on a Dominis. If they don't get
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  Speaker 3: Sodo like these other these guys are going to get
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  Speaker 3: real expensive. And if the Tigers want to look for
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  Speaker 3: a fallback option, a depreciating asset, and Arnauto could make
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  Speaker 3: a lot of sense. Now as I've thought about it,
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  Speaker 3: more like and I never really loved the idea. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: but there's some things about it that are interesting. One
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  Speaker 3: reason that strikes me is very strange is that I
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  Speaker 3: mentioned this last week, but Arnauto has not hit left
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  Speaker 3: handers in the past two years. If the goal is
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  Speaker 3: to acquire another bat who it's lefties, he's done it
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  Speaker 3: throughout the course of his career, but the past two
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  Speaker 3: years it splits have become oddly reverse. So again, maybe
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  Speaker 3: the Tigers know something there, but that gives me big pause,
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  Speaker 3: not even getting into the bat speed decline. It's just like,
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  Speaker 3: why did you not hitting left handed pitching? That's literally
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  Speaker 3: not what they want. And I think the other thing
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  Speaker 3: that came up, and you mentioned this, but Arnold has
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  Speaker 3: a full no trade class. If if big, if any
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  Speaker 3: deal where to get pitched like, he would have to
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  Speaker 3: approve it. He would want to have to come to Detroit.
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  Speaker 3: The athletics Katie Wu has mentioned like he would be
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  Speaker 3: willing to waive it for a contender. How do you
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  Speaker 3: find contender? Would no one Aronado? I think most fans
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  Speaker 3: would now say, oh, well, the Tigers made the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: they're contenders. Does that mean no one Arenado used the
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  Speaker 3: Tigers as contenders? I don't know, young team not. The
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  Speaker 3: last year a tough division been theory, like a winnable
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  Speaker 3: division just made the playoffs. There are definitely some good
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  Speaker 3: selling points. You also the classic battles of like getting
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  Speaker 3: a hitter to want to come to America part and
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  Speaker 3: wanting to play in April and May in Detroit, and
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  Speaker 3: like wanting to come to Detroit as a city, which
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  Speaker 3: even though I think Detroit's a great city, the rest
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  Speaker 3: of the world doesn't quite understand that yet. So, like,
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  Speaker 3: those are some factors to consider. Even if the Tigers
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  Speaker 3: were all in on Arnatto, that doesn't necessarily mean they
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  Speaker 3: could even get the deal done. They would have to
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  Speaker 3: convince him or he would have to be willing to
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  Speaker 3: waive that note trade.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where representation kind of runs things a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. It's like it's not his job to be
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  Speaker 1: like a breast to like how close the Tigers actually
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  Speaker 1: are to like win a World Series, right, Like, that's
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  Speaker 1: something that his representatives have to like either move him
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  Speaker 1: in this direction or move him in that direction. That's
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  Speaker 1: their job. It should be noted. And I just say
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  Speaker 1: this as something of note. I'm not saying there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of gravity to it. But he has played in
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  Speaker 1: eight postseason games, and he has a value average of
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  Speaker 1: one to fifty two in those eight postseason games.
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  Speaker 2: Just just putting it out there.
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  Speaker 1: If you're training for him, thinking that here's a guy
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  Speaker 1: that's an experienced VET that can help us kind of
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  Speaker 1: go over the top of the postseason. He has some experience,
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  Speaker 1: but he but this old current crop of Tigers. How
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  Speaker 1: many the playoff games did the Tigers play this year?
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  Speaker 2: They played?
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  Speaker 1: They played seven, right, you know, two in Houston and
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  Speaker 1: then five against Cleveland. So that's almost his entire postseason
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  Speaker 1: career right there. And so like he would be coming
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  Speaker 1: in with almost equal sample size of play of postseason experience,
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  Speaker 1: just just to know, just to know, I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: saying it it matters all that much. Uh And and again,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm I find myself really looking at how are
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  Speaker 1: people viewing Detroit, you know, media seems to be all
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  Speaker 1: in like like respecting the playoff run, respecting the advancement
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  Speaker 1: of schoolbl and green up the game, and then obviously
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  Speaker 1: aj Hinch like called Keith in some clos like these
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  Speaker 1: guys like the media is giving Detroit. I believe an
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  Speaker 1: adequate amount of flowers for too much isn't too much.
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  Speaker 1: There's an argument to be made because even in an
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  Speaker 1: advanced playoff era, year to year stuff is hard, all right,
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  Speaker 1: Just just ask Arizona, right as Texas both World series
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  Speaker 1: from two years ago did make the postseason, right, So,
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  Speaker 1: so it's hard.
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  Speaker 2: It is very difficult to do. So.
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  Speaker 1: One run does not make a contender, right. I think
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  Speaker 1: that it's very fair to say so if players Nolan
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  Speaker 1: in this case. But if players aren't, like look, are
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  Speaker 1: looking for a contender and the name Tigers is not
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  Speaker 1: on their exemption list for their clause, that's gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna tell us a little bit about how other
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  Speaker 1: people around and in the game, uh look at the Tigers.
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  Speaker 1: So in regards to this exercise, Cody, I realize why
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I underachieve in fancy football, in basketball
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  Speaker 1: and baseball is because I look at other teams and
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  Speaker 1: then I think, like, you know, is there a trade
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  Speaker 1: that makes sense for me and this person? And then
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you get an offer, and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times like actually I kind of like what I
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  Speaker 1: have more than what is being offered, and so a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times I don't make trades. And so like,
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  Speaker 1: as I went through this exercise, I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: well this this player makes sense, I guess, but you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to get this player.
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  Speaker 2: Does this player make sense? Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: But why they're gonna give this him away? Like what's
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  Speaker 1: you know, what's the reason here? And you kind of
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  Speaker 1: follow yourself into like a couple of categories. It's like
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  Speaker 1: either a salary dump or an age dump or like
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  Speaker 1: an unproven player that they just don't have room for.
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  Speaker 1: And so outside of these like block blockbuster trades that
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  Speaker 1: get talked about years later, you know, your molky bets
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  Speaker 1: of the world, your standings of the world. Like even
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  Speaker 1: though that you know it's all like they got a
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  Speaker 1: lot for standing, but you understand what I'm saying, like
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  Speaker 1: these big, these big trades, like it's not really the
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  Speaker 1: most sexy work, and so like, and I say this
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  Speaker 1: as an appreciation for everybody that sent us names and
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  Speaker 1: ideas because I didn't find myself like finding something and
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  Speaker 1: I thought, got it, this is the move texted to Scott,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, you know, I want Cody to break
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  Speaker 1: the news if you actually do this, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: I just didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get that as you went through this exercise.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like what kind of like how did you
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  Speaker 1: feel going.
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  Speaker 2: Through this exercise?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't necessarily brainstorm a ton of my own trades,
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  Speaker 3: and I think almost as a matter of principle, I
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  Speaker 3: don't really do that because it's very hard to pull off.
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  Speaker 3: Almost every trade that has unfolded the Tigers get that
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  Speaker 3: some prospect that if I'm being real, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: very much about, and then I part of my job
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  Speaker 3: I look them up on the same sites we all
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  Speaker 3: have access to. Maybe I can get an opinion or
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  Speaker 3: two from a scout, which even then, like that's a
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  Speaker 3: tray Sweeney. There's literally one scout like, yeah, not a shortstop,
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  Speaker 3: and there's another scout like, oh, great glove. So like
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  Speaker 3: you can write one scout set he has a poor glove,
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  Speaker 3: and then that becomes attached to Tray Sweeney, and that's
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  Speaker 3: not entirely fair. Even scouts avering differing opinions. So that's
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  Speaker 3: all to say, like, this is hard stuff. There's a
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  Speaker 3: reason executives will tell you trading is way harder than
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  Speaker 3: people think, especially in probably the last five ten years,
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  Speaker 3: when teams value prospects probably higher than ever, when there's
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  Speaker 3: so much analytical analysis that goes into everything, and teams
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  Speaker 3: are just not going to make a deal if it's
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  Speaker 3: not clear they're going to win it. Like a lot
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  Speaker 3: of these trades end up being kind of washes or
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  Speaker 3: low risk moves, except maybe at the deadline when certain
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  Speaker 3: teams get a little bit more desperate, or if it's
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  Speaker 3: Al la Vila and you're just trading like big names
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  Speaker 3: for very bad.
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  Speaker 1: Prospects, prospects that didn't have lasting life.
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  Speaker 3: That's a better way to put it, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, we just talked about and we have
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  Speaker 1: a mock up right here, Cody of of Nolan Aeronaudo,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's not like breaking from from what we
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  Speaker 1: had talked about, but you know, Nolan Aeronado, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to give up pitching in the in the mold of
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  Speaker 1: Casey Miyes. You're going to give up pitching in the
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  Speaker 1: mold of Matt Manning.
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  Speaker 2: Is that enough?
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  Speaker 1: Again, we talked last week there will be conversations about
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  Speaker 1: cash and credit to everybody who you know included that
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  Speaker 1: in their like speculation, because again that means that you're thinking,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in depth on this stuff, So shout out,
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  Speaker 1: shout out to everybody there. I'll say this in general,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm big batsky over arms like in this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's what you know, the Flairty deal. That's
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  Speaker 1: why I liked it at the time, not knowing nearly
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  Speaker 1: how good Loronzo would be and how important Sweeney would be.
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  Speaker 2: But like, I like that in theory.
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  Speaker 1: And then if you consider yourself a factory for pictures
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  Speaker 1: like this is the kind like the theory of move
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  Speaker 1: that you should be comfortable pulling the proverbial trigger rock
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  Speaker 1: is that like, you know, we'll give a picture that
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  Speaker 1: we like, but we're in love with that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we feel like we could replicate in some way for
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  Speaker 1: something that we can't replicate right now. In this case,
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  Speaker 1: it's Nolan Ernato, So like, is it is it as
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  Speaker 1: simple as would you do this? Would you do Nolan
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  Speaker 1: for Casey or or Manning?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this trade proposal came to us from Alex Gray.
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  Speaker 3: So again we're, you know, taking suggestions from listeners, viewers, readers,
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  Speaker 3: and appreciate everyone who participated here. And this was actually
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  Speaker 3: Aeronauto and Cash. I didn't include the word cash from
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  Speaker 3: our graphic here. If I were the Tigers, I can
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  Speaker 3: do this in a heartbeat. I mean there are some
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  Speaker 3: people who are like, maybe they should just not tender
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  Speaker 3: Casey Mice, Well, you're gonna get Nolan R and Auto
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  Speaker 3: for Casey Mice. Sure, yeah, I would do that if
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  Speaker 3: I were the Cardinals, and that is why trades are hard.
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  Speaker 3: If I were the Cardinals, I don't think this is enough.
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  Speaker 3: And I think this comes up a lot with Tigers people.
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  Speaker 3: There's a tendency to obviously value Casey Mice or Matt
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  Speaker 3: Manning highly because they were such touted prospects. But to
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the league, who's not going to have
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  Speaker 3: that implicit bias. I just am not sure either of
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  Speaker 3: these guys have much value. Mize probably more more so
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  Speaker 3: than Manning. But if I'm the Cardinals, I want more.
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  Speaker 3: I want some kind of bat involved here. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think a more realistic starting point would be like
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  Speaker 3: Mice and Jace Young and then if you're the Tigers,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, what do we really think that Jayce young?
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  Speaker 3: Are we sure we want to give up a promising
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  Speaker 3: young hitter for Nolan Ronado in his mid thirties? Like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure. That would very much depend on their evaluation,
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  Speaker 3: And then that starts to feel a little bit risky.
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  Speaker 3: So can you like tock yourself down Casey Mize and
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  Speaker 3: Max Anderson? Is that enough something along those lines? Hard
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  Speaker 3: to say, but I definitely think it would take more
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  Speaker 3: than one player, and I think definitely some sort of
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  Speaker 3: hitting prospect probably for the Cardinals to actually want to
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  Speaker 3: make that move. Yeah, you probably just what depends how
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  Speaker 3: bad they want to part with that thirty two mil
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  Speaker 3: and how much cash they would throw in. But like,
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  Speaker 3: as much as they want to cut payroll, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think they're just gonna do this for nothing.
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  Speaker 1: No they're not, because it's still you know, it's a savioranization.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna look at it as an asset and go
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  Speaker 1: from there. I did want to we'll stick with the
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  Speaker 1: infield and the shortstop position. This is a name that
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  Speaker 1: got brought up a couple of times, including from Patrick McCulloch,
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  Speaker 1: who wanted to look into Bob Baschett over there in
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  Speaker 1: Toronto and a player that like I have liked for
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  Speaker 1: a long time, like I am a Bob Bashet guy.
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  Speaker 1: It's you would have to be really confident in your
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  Speaker 1: evaluation of him and what went on in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: four because we were going to bring up this a
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  Speaker 1: couple of times. But offensive, you know, WPA when probability
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  Speaker 1: added negative one point five, negative one point and it's
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  Speaker 1: just offense for the record, but negative one point five
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  Speaker 1: when probability added, and he you know, he had a calf,
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  Speaker 1: he broke his middle finger, like he didn't play that
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  Speaker 1: much this season, and so you know that's part of it.
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  Speaker 2: That's a guy that you that you have to.
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  Speaker 1: You're banking on this trade being something that we're getting
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  Speaker 1: pre twenty twenty four Bobaschett. And then also you throw
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  Speaker 1: in the what would then become a clog in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of your infield. But here we but partially this
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  Speaker 1: would save it a little bit. You trade Sweeney, you
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  Speaker 1: trade young, you trade Tied Madden. These are I would say,
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  Speaker 1: these are prospects that I are prospects slash like young
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  Speaker 1: players that you know intrigued by, but I'm not I
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  Speaker 1: would be willing to throw all these guys in a
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  Speaker 1: trade if I thought I was getting like a good
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  Speaker 1: player in return with the contractual stuff and you know,
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  Speaker 1: years of control or you know, however many years left.
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  Speaker 1: You know, these guys in theory, I'm cool parting ways
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  Speaker 1: with for the right situation. So like this intrigues me
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  Speaker 1: if you get the numbers that you like at it
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  Speaker 1: out of bow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for as much as like, I'm not sure, like
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  Speaker 3: trading Jayce Young comes with some inherent risk. He is
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  Speaker 3: probably their most tradeable young bat. It doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 3: they're in love with him. He is major league ready
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  Speaker 3: or close to major league ready, and he you would
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  Speaker 3: think he would hold some value to other teams. So
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  Speaker 3: I do think he could be a trade ship if
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  Speaker 3: the Tigers wanted to do that. In terms of evaluating
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  Speaker 3: like whether this is a realistic deal, Butshet for Young,
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  Speaker 3: Sweeney Madden got to consider. Right now, Blue Jays don't
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  Speaker 3: seem to want to trade anyone now. I feel pretty
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  Speaker 3: strongly that they need to stop holding out hope and
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  Speaker 3: they should try to trade both lat Junior and Bobachhet
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  Speaker 3: right now because assuming they don't get Juan Soto and
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  Speaker 3: doesn't sound like they're going to like what is their plan?
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  Speaker 3: And so it sounds right now that this would be
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  Speaker 3: a non starter. If something changes and the Jays did
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  Speaker 3: decide to make this trade, I don't think it's necessar
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  Speaker 3: the unfair, but I wouldn't do it. I fire the
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Tigers for one year of Bob Bobachett's won an expiring
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: contract for a time three years, Okay, maybe, but Bobachet
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: coming off a down year, one year of team control.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: You're giving up a young shortstop who you like. And
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, who's gonna be worth more war next year,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Tray Sweeney or Bobachett, Like Bobachett plays like you did
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: last year, might be Tray Sweeney, Jace Young who has talent.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: And then I actually think Ty Madden might be the
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: most valuable of all these guys. I'm not saying he's
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: going to be like an ace or something, but like time,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Band's probably gonna pitch in the big leagues for a
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: long time, maybe as a starter, maybe as a reliever.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I just think he's going to be a valuable piece,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: you know, in the league for years to come. So
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: even though he may not have a super high ceiling.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Probably not someone I would I would be, you know,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: really willing to give up and less, as you said it,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: where the right deal. I don't think one year Bobachett
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: helps the Tigers out enough, especially with me, to partying
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: with this caliber of assets.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would tend to agree, you know, talking about
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: all these go ahead.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Well, while we're on that, like the name has Sung
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Kim has come up a little bit recently, and he
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: would be in theory, maybe willing to sign a one
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: year pillow deal, not going to be healthy at the
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: start of year. Unsure how long he would actually be out,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: But I've always I've always liked that idea. I think
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: you would have to add more. You'd have to get
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: like a first baseman too, to add some power to
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: your lineup. But if you get like Kim and Christian Walker, like,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: I think that other than getting paying for Bregman, that
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: might be the option I like most for the Tigers.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: So you get this one year shortstop thing, shortstop third
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: baseman kind of like Bashett, without having to give up
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: young talent.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the Kim name is one that intrigues
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: me greatly. And and I think that's a that's a
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: low key buzz name that people are bringing up.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: And so now we can go our pat into the
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: ring and being.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, this makes some sense, like this makes
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of sense for both parties potentially, and it
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: wouldn't again I say costs, but it's not going to
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: strip you the way some of these trades that we're.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Talking about are all right.
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  Speaker 3: AJ did not like that. I put Nick Castianos at
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: number ten on my list of MLB's worst contracts. Oh,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: there's a reason that Phillies are trying to move them.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: There's a reason that's gonna be a hard contract to move.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: That's all I gotta say about that. I like it
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: as a guy as a player, but like, come on
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: twenty mail for two more years?
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Are you?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: But we don't have him on this label?
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Is there is there?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: But you know you brought them up? Is there is
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: there a bi low opportunity on Nick?
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Is there this question?
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to send much talent for him. If
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: you're telling me the Tigers could have Nick Castianos and
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: he would be a DH only, I think that would
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: improve their lineup. No, obviously they don't want a DH only.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to play him in right field. Yeah.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: But right, So that's another thing too about all this stuff,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: is that, like you mentioned the whole check boxes thing
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: with Bregman, is that like you're just not checking a
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: lot of boxes on on on these deals. Like that's
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: just that's just the bottom line. And that's again why
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: it's hard and why a lot of times these are
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: players that aren't really on our radar that end up
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: getting moved and you know, turns out, you know, Matt
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: veer Lane turns out to be like one of the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: more valuable player from of the trade, you know what
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I mean. It's just but who who was going to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: go in like thinking that or whatever? So all right,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: let's go into vision. Let's go into.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Robert Junior.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Another team, the White Sox that I still think do
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: they know exactly how they want to play play out this?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Because they they get the new manager they get the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you know, they have a young regime in the front office,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: and Ryan Storf is like a baseball guy, and he
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you know, puts that long letter about like how this
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: is not up to the standards, and you.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Know, blah blah blah blah.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Problem is like the only way to do that is
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to spend your way out of it, and they're not
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: going to do that by all accounts. And so like
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Luis Robert is a guy that you know, one point
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: four wharl last year. I actually that's higher than I thought,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: given where he was struggling at times. But he was
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: a five war player in twenty twenty three. He is
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: twenty seven. He turned twenty seven in August, so he'll
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: be basically the whole year, he'll be twenty seven years
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: old center fielder. In the vision though, that'd be a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that'd be a.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: The young, the young.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: The young front officers don't care as much about that,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I feel like, but it is still a thing. And
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: again the balance schedule, you know, plays into that a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: little bit as well. But we have here Louise Robert Jr.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: For Jace, Young Lee and Workman.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: So yeah, if I were the White Sox, I wouldn't
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: care about trading in division. You're not contending in this
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: division for at least a couple more years, And if
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: you're the White Sox, you have a lot of incentive
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: to move both Garrett Crochet and Louise Robert Junior. You know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think the Tigers would ever, at least this year,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: be in on Louis Robert Junior. That would require the
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: White Sox not moving him. And then probably Parker Meadow
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: is really struggling and Max Clark looking like he's a
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: couple of years away, and you have to be like, man,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: we don't have a center fielder. What are we going
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: to do? Like that's the only reason I think they
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: would even have any interest, And it's it's tough to know.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I think what the White Sox are going to get
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: for Robert for the reason you stated, you know, they're
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: gonna try to sell the five War version of him,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: but seems gonna be like he maybe is a little
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: too risky. He had a rough year. So if you're
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: let's just say for some reason, let's say God forbid,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: let's say Parker Mettos gets injured or something. You know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: we don't want that to happen. But Tigers this hypothetical world,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: suddenly they have interest Jase Young, how you Lee? Engauge Workman?
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Would you do that? Workman? As much as he's an
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: intriguing athlete, probably not gonna have a lot of big
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: league upside. I don't think Jase Young, we've talked about
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: a lot like some things to like, but he's tradeable.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: How You Lee? The Tigers seem to really like. But
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: if you're trying to acquire a premium talent in center field,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't hate doing it. I think the question for
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: the White Sox is it enough for them? Are they
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: gonna want a picture in the deal? Are they gonna
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: want someone who's a little more of a sure thing
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: than Jay but maybe a little more of a ceiling
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: than how You Lee? I don't know. On paper, I
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: don't hate hate this, but in reality I think it
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: would never happen. Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have Young on several of these trades,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and one of the difficult parts of this exercise is like,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I just don't know how good he is as a
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: major leaguer, and therefore I have no idea what kind
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: of market he could command, or like, what his perception
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: would be to be included in any deal. So like, that's,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you know, just another hurdle that we have to do
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: when we go through this, which is fine, but that's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: again what makes this stuff so challenging. Another name that
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: was intriguing this comes from Matt Riddle and a couple others.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Louis Renifo of the Angels.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: He is a basically plays everything but first base and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: one point nine wore a guy last year. Cody h
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of power, you know, he decent
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: on base. You know, I was looking at teams that
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what direction they're going.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: So like Angels perpetually on that list, right, uh.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: So, no idea what they're doing.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: So he is let me.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Get his age here, another twenty seven, but he'll be
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: twenty eight next season.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: His birthdays in.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: February, and he is on a he's basically a contract year.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: He'll be a free agent next season.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And we have here.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Recent Riser, Ham, Max Anderson or Young and Melton. So
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: you have a couple of options here. What do you
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: what your what's your thoughts?
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: My initial thought is no way of all the trades
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: we got, I probably like I'm I'm not sure Renhifo
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: is a huge fit. I guess the versatility is nice,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: but I think this would be giving up way too
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: much for one year of Louis Renhifo. I would not
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: win a part with I mean Haim and Max Anderson,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: that's like, no way non starter. Jade and Ham Tigers
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: like a lot could have a very bright future, and
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: even Jace Young Like I'd rather let things play out
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: with Young than acquire one year of Ranhifoh. He's got
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: some speed. He even played different positions then you know
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: it didn't hit for much power last year. Has hit
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: sixteen seventeen homers in the past, but he has never
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: been worth more than one point seven War one fangrafts.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: And it's one year. I just don't think the Tigers
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: are getting much benefit. I would not give up an
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: ounce of young talent for one year of Luis Ronhifoh. Yeah,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: that's it left, a little bit, that's it left. He's
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: a little bit I think more so than being a starter,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: like he would be an upgrade for Andy Abaniez is
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: really like where he would kind of fit. I wouldn't
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: trade for for that, you know.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, like there are a lot of numbers
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: that tell you and anecdotally as well just watching the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: game that, like, you know, the value of Andy A.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Banya is it's not something you have to have to
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: upgrade on. And obviously it's a it's a guy that
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: A J hints values having in the in the rotation.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: All right, let's let's go to another I have a
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: theme here, Cody. Another team that seems to be up
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: in the air, and this one is almost literal because
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: their home for the foreseeable future is is kind of
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: up in the air. That's the Athletics formerly of Oakland,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: will be of Sacramento and might not ever be of Vegas.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I guess, I guess we will see. Uh.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Brent Rooker, it's a it's a he's a popular guy
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: that like I feel like he's that dude that like, uh,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: it's like every fan base wants to save him, you
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, like, come come here, like,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: come here and be a part of an organization that
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: values you. Not to say that the age don't, but
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: like that you're just gonna be in a more comfortable situation.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Didn't we come out and say they're not trading him.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I think they value him, Yeah.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: They value him.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: So still he is a guy that every almost every
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: team would love to have.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Like that guy.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: You want that guy in your clubhouse, in your lineup.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: And so DH's got some outfield in his past. He's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: thirty years old and we get that birthday. Yeah, he
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: just turned thirty, So it'll be his age thirty season,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: pretty healthy, five point sixth war last year, Cody, and
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: he is under teeth control for by doing my math right,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: three more years. I believe, free agent in twenty twenty eight.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: So it's a guy that's probably gonna cost you something
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: that you like. And that's what we have here with
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Jay hen Ty Madden and Roberto Campo.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: So I like this.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I kind of like it because I feel like it
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: it I because I like it because I don't like
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: what I have to give up for it. If that
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: makes sense, which to me means it probably has some validity.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: That's what I'll say.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: This is an interesting one. And this came from Breton Martin.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: And you know, Rooker was a trendy name there for
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: a while, and I think he kind of fell off
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: once people realize, like, you really don't want to have
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: to play in the outfield a lot again, a little
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: bit in the Cassi honest mold of like best suited
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: is just a DH, but he's a little younger. I
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: think he could play some outfield if like a guy
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: on this proposed trade, Jahn, could you just give him
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: up first basements?
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: Man?
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Like, see how that goes. I still kind of like
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Brent Rooker, man like, even if they acquired him to
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: be like a glorified platoon outfield and like he's better
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: than that. He was just five win player. But like,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I think there could be some room for him still
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: on the Tigers. They would just have to be willing
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: to devote a lot of time to that DH spot,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: so probably wouldn't happen. But if they were Jahen Ty
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: madd and Roberto compos and we think Jahn. I think
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: people around Detroit still like Jahn, but like, what does
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: he really does he even have a path to a
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: roster spot next year? Very hard to say. Honestly, you're
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: hoping Jayhin becomes something remotely close to Brent Rooker. And
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: it's probably unlikely that Jayen's ever gonna hit thirty nine
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: homers or whatever. Ti Madden, like I said, maybe not
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: super high ceiling, but this guy's gonna pitching the big
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: leagues for a long time. I think and Roberto Compos
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: like once viewed as a high upside prospect, I don't
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: think he would have a lot of value around the league.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I think if they were a team that were, like,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: you know what, we still have faith in Roberto compos
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: He can post some big exit velosophies even though he
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: doesn't lift the ball very much, you would have to
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: be like, like I personally would be willing to do that.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: The package of all three of them starts to feel
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: a little steep, but I kind of think that's just
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: because in our little orbit in Detroit, it's easy to overvalue.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Justin Henry Malloy. I mean, you know the reason that
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Tigers got him for Joeja Minez. I kind of like
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: this deal.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would phrase it like this if
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the Tigers brass like truly felt that they were one
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: impact bat that easily slides into your starting lineup. I
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: feel like this is a trade that you do to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: put yourself over the top. Uh. I don't think the
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Tigers front office views the team as that close. I
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: think they view them as we're like in the mix,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: but we don't want to.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: We don't want to.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: We're not at the position where we want to deal
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: away with two of our more valuable like major league
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: if you want to be cruel about it, fringe major
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: league assets. But if they were, say like the Guardians,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: maybe like that you were you felt like you just
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: needed that one impact BA where you didn't really feel
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: like you were that outplayed by the Yankees or something
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: to go to the World Series. This honestly could be
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: one of those like reactionary moves that makes a lot
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: of sense and then maybe blows up in your face,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: but at the time you feel like it it makes
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: sense to do you know, I like this.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I do like this trade. It's not gonna happen for
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: a variety of reasons, but uh, but I wouldn't mind
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: saving Brent from But then you feel bad for j
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Han and Tye and you know, sending them to to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the City List technically a's and and so so. Yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, but this gives me like I was just
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: not in my head the entire time, was like, yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about this other one we got from from
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Breton Martin because he sent some intriguing ones. One of
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: these third base fallback options Jake Berger Miami. That's been
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: like rumored a little bit. I don't like Berger as
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: much as I think some people. I mean, it seemed
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: like a lot of our listeners did not like the
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Aeronato you know, very much. But he was worth more
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: war than than fan favorite Jake Berger last year. Berger
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: brings some power thirty four homers two years ago, twenty nine.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Last year only a three zero one OBP, only a
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: one oh six WRC plus last season whiffs a lot.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Doesn't want five point four percent walk rate like they're
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: just some things. I think if the Tigers got him,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: he would help their lineup over you know, just tritting
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: out Matt Vierling at third. But I don't love his
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: profile as a player. And then I see this Max
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Anderson and Trevin Michael Michael. I believe is like a
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: twenty seven, twenty eight year old pitcher who was still
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: in hi A last year. Max Anderson, well regarded college
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: bad out in Nebraska, has done some good things, but
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: still in the lower rungs of the miners. I think
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I would do this. I don't know that the Marlins.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: I think the Marlins might want a little bit more
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: in return, probably especially in the pitching side. Let's swap
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: out Michael for a Ty Madden or I don't know,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: could you get someone to like really believe in Alex
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Lang something like that. I think it would take a
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: little more. It's likely even though it's the Marlins and
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: they're just trying to cut money. If I were Miami,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I would try to get more out of this.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just feel like it's pictures bro,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Like there's got to be some guy in between Michael
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and those names that you just listed. And I'm not
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: going to try to like throw more hypothetical names in
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the trades, but like you know what I mean, likes,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: there's tiers of guys that you think you could probably
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: sell this a little bit better.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Again, like I have Michael was in in Eerie through
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: fifty three innings in Eerie five two era, mostly out
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: of the bullpen.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It'd be nice to have a thirty home run guy,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: which he nearly was Burger last year.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: At the same time, going back to you know, WPA,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: and this is just offensive, like he was zero run
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: is you know, zero point one negative zero point one?
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: So like so the counting numbers, some of them look
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: look good. But then you throw in the whole picture,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: and it's like, so we're trading a decent bat in
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: our system, or at least profile wise, and you know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: some picture that we think has something or whatever. You know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: for a guy who is about to turn twenty nine,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have any defensive upside at all, and like, offensively,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: his whole picture is just based on one stat Like
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: it's our to say, like he's putting us in like
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: better positions now he is three more years, I think
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: under team control. I got that wrong last time, so
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure I got it right this time.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: It's just like I defender a third. He's probably gonna
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: play some first if he were to come to Detroit.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: But is he a one tool player?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I think I think he's a one tool player. I
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: do think he's a one tool player. And then again,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: where your assets allocations? If you're trading for one tool players, Like,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not against this trade.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: I mean I would. I would take thirty home runs
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: for not giving up all that much.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, I'm just telling you the thing about this trade
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: is that it's gonna be frustrating to watch him. Uh, like,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: once he's on your squad. And I say this with
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: all due respect, but like you're gonna, I doubt you're
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: gonna remember thirty home runs if he played a whole
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: year in America Park, You're gonna you're going to think
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: about some of the other aspects of his game that
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: fell short. So like you're right to say you're giving
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: up nothing actually tangible at this point. But I would
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: not bank my team trying to win a division on
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: acquiring Jake Berger. I think it's probably like the best
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: way I would phrase that is that fair.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: I think I would almost rather just stay with Spencerksen
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: than Jake Berger. There are kind of some similarities between them,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: which is not necessarily inspiring. And with Torque at least,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: there's still kind of a gamble that like there's just
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: a monster in there if only you can unleash it.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: And that's another thing as we wrap up here to that,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: just like I keep coming and coming to, is that
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: like it'd be a lot easier if there was if you,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: like you, you either Scott Harris or you, the hypothetical
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: person doing this just had a strong conviction about Torque,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: like like, all right, well, we got to move off fast,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: and so like you start looking at more of the
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Burger types, whereas if you if you're thinking maybe there's
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: still something here, like, it's hard, it's hard to make
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: moves that way. I will say, I'll just throw in
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: one name real quick. It's not a hypothetical trade, and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I'm only I'm just going back to our Oklahoma state roots.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Here.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Cody Cincinnati Red's corner infielder, Christian Incarnacion Strand, the guy
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: who with the new Fanacs jerseys had the worst looking
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: jersey because of his long name, longest name ever I
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: believe in Major League Baseball history, mainly in first basement
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: right now, he hasn't got a lot of run because
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: of injury.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: He had some limited time in the AFL just to
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: get some live at bats. We all know take that
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: for a grand salt. But he was, you know, seven fourteen,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: you know, several walks. It seemed like he was at
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: least seeing hitting the ball well for what you're supposed
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: to do when he's a guy of that talent, and
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: in theory, being like twenty five years old, he should
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: still have some third basement left in him. So that
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: that's a name that I think, like, what are the
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Reds doing that? Could you get something like that for
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: not an asset? You're not gonna miss all that much,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: So I would just throw that out there and then
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: just real quick, I'm not I'm saying we have to
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: talk about it. Nobody mentioned Cody Bellinger. Not one person
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: at least that I saw mention Cody Bellinger. Who is
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: another guy that's like out there out there on the
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: trade block.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I know he's a lefty.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I know there's all these things lefty that just doesn't
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: make a lot of sense, especially another lefty that you're
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: kind of gambling on. Which version are you're going to get?
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Real quick, you're in Carnacio and Strand point like, I'd
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: love to have him in triple A if ire the Tigers.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: You know, if you get him, I'm not sure he's
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: making your major league roster, but you know, interesting walked
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: a lot in triple A, is not walked much in
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: the majors. Maybe it doesn't jump out of me, but
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: if you could get him at the deadline as a
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: throwing in some other deal or whatever and be depth
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: like I feel good about that.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Uh Man there's there's just so many ways that we
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: can go here, and I thought we I thought, credit
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: to everybody, credit to everybody that sent us these trades
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: and and engage with us here because these were thoughtful.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: There's there's a version of it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Let us one for sure.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like there's there's a version of this where this
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: was entirely dumb and this was not like, this was
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: not this was like smart theoretical baseball talk. As we're
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: wrapping up things in theory and going into hopefully some
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: more things in action. I know moves have happened here
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: or there, but like more things in action. So I
• 42:35
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• 42:58
  Speaker 1: next season. So so thank you everybody again for bringing
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: for giving us some great talking points here. And I
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: want to thank Cody for taking the time and so
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: for Cody Stapenhagen I and Kieren Steckley.
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