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Mac & Bone Show - Stephen Gillespie Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: But since we booked him for this interview, Bone, things
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  Speaker 1: have changed. The LaMelo storyline has kind of gone above
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  Speaker 1: our guys Honus and Christian Anderson in priority, so you
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  Speaker 1: know that's going to be involved in the conversation as well.
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  Speaker 1: The No Ceilings NBA crew, Man, they really showed out
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  Speaker 1: leading up to the draft though, Bone, whether it was
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  Speaker 1: their Draft guide, all the different podcasts and videos and
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  Speaker 1: stuff that they did, great draft content. And Stephen Gillespie
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  Speaker 1: is back with us from No Ceilings NBA to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the Hornets and the draft. Steven, what's going on, man,
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  Speaker 1: Just a quiet day in Charlotte today.
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  Speaker 2: Mack and Bone, Good morning.
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  Speaker 3: Congratulations on a very relaxed and calm kind of you know,
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  Speaker 3: media frenzy that goes on right now for your for
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  Speaker 3: your team.
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  Speaker 2: How are y'all holding up?
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  Speaker 4: I had a bunch of questions about the hand side
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  Speaker 4: of Honess and then I realized that's not happening right now.
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  Speaker 4: Wait on that momentarily, Oh Man, So look, you we're
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  Speaker 4: obviously we're in the forest, so maybe we don't see
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  Speaker 4: the tree. So I'm going to ask you for your
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  Speaker 4: perspective as someone that can just be measured about this
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  Speaker 4: because we're emotional about it, But like, does this it
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  Speaker 4: all make sense to you the Hornets after the year
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  Speaker 4: they have, the momentum they have, LaMelo finally stayed healthy,
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  Speaker 4: made strides in his game, Like, does it make sense
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  Speaker 4: that they would be willing to trade him?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 5: What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, Like, I think I have more questions
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  Speaker 3: for y'all. I understand that you're in the forest, but
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm in the wandering desert right now,
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  Speaker 3: just trying to figure out, like, how in the world
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  Speaker 3: do you have the season that you have? It felt
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  Speaker 3: like just one of the most It felt like everybody's
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  Speaker 3: second favorite team outside of Charlotte was the Hornet, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like everybody fell in love with that team, and now
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden they're talking about trading and mellow
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm wondering if that's like from him in his
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  Speaker 3: camp as opposed to the team, because like, even though
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  Speaker 3: y'all did draft a point guard that I know that
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  Speaker 3: we're going to talk about here in a second, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if that's the immediate replacement.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Steven A Texter said why now and not
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  Speaker 4: before the draft? And we had a rumor last week
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  Speaker 4: that the Hornets were trying to get up to seven
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  Speaker 4: for Sacramento. We thought, oh, that's got to be for Mara.
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  Speaker 4: Now we look at it as well, maybe it wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe it was for a guard. Do you do you
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  Speaker 4: think maybe the Hornets tried to get one of those guards,
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  Speaker 4: but we had the rare draft where those teams in
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  Speaker 4: that range one through twelve really we're not willing to
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  Speaker 4: move off their picks.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that would make a lot of sense just
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  Speaker 3: because you know, the top four of this class obviously,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with Cam k lob Aj and Darren like,
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  Speaker 3: that's where obviously a lot of the heavy lifting of
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  Speaker 3: this class comes from. But I would say the identity
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  Speaker 3: of this class lied heavily in the freshman guards and
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  Speaker 3: even some of the upper classmen, And the fact that
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  Speaker 3: you would want to trade up to seven would indicate
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  Speaker 3: to me that you were after one of those guards,
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  Speaker 3: because I mean, to me, anything outside of that at
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  Speaker 3: that spot would be a reach.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, it would make sense.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, we always find about the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the whole now they tell this thing that comes out later.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.
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  Speaker 3: That that would be one of the kind of the
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  Speaker 3: sub stories of that piece.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes because bone what was our thing? We
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  Speaker 1: were trying to figure out, why do you want to
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  Speaker 1: get up in Guardville?
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  Speaker 5: We thought they've got a point guard?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's not sorry, you want Mores maybe way early,
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  Speaker 1: so no one takes him, right, but like maybe maybe
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  Speaker 1: all along they're thinking and Sacramento replacing Sacramento. Who was
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  Speaker 1: the rumortie was they were a cuff or bus. Basically
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  Speaker 1: that's crazy. A cuff actually wanted to play in Sacramento.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how that happened, Steve, and how we
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  Speaker 1: found someone who wants to play in Sacramento.
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  Speaker 5: But that that's a twist. All right. So let's talk
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  Speaker 5: about the draft, the draft.
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  Speaker 1: Prospects, because Steven, you guys, like I said earlier, no
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  Speaker 1: ceilings NBA have been breaking down the draft prospects for weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with Christian Anderson. Like, so, if they traded LaMelo,
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine you're doing that without re signing Kobe White, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just if you're gonna lose them both,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, my lord, we're going to be despondent here.
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  Speaker 1: So let's go with a word, where Kobe White is
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  Speaker 1: your starting point guard, then and then Anderson is the
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  Speaker 1: backup point guard. How would you feel about that duo?
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  Speaker 1: And do you feel is Anderson ready to be, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a primary backup in the NBA?
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  Speaker 5: Right now? What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: I think that him being you know, your your first
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  Speaker 3: guard off the bench does make a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of studies that have come
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  Speaker 3: out of guards or prospects in general who come into
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  Speaker 3: the combine weighing underneath one hundred and eighty pounds and like,
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  Speaker 3: how slippery of a slope that is to find success
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA. The good news is that Christian was
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  Speaker 3: like right at the one eighty threshold similar to that
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  Speaker 3: of a shake yogis Alexander. Now, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: sit here and tell you he's going to be SGA,
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  Speaker 3: but at least there's a path to success for him,
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  Speaker 3: and the numbers are in his favor in that respect.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean he's going to have to learn a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I think that he does fit like the mindset of
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  Speaker 3: this team because you know, watching him at Texas Tech,
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  Speaker 3: he played off of other guys who could either pressure
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  Speaker 3: the rim or who could help space the floor. I
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  Speaker 3: think him coming off of the bench makes a lot
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  Speaker 3: of sense with some of the lineups that you could
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  Speaker 3: run if you're splitting action or time between you know, Miller.
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  Speaker 2: Or con or what have you.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So I think that him being in the second
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  Speaker 3: unit makes a lot of sense. And you know you're
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  Speaker 3: hoping eventually, I mean, I guess it's especially if you're
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  Speaker 3: moving off the lamello, that he might work his way
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  Speaker 3: up into being a starting level guard. Probably not an
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  Speaker 3: all star, but I mean a good starter at that selection.
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  Speaker 2: Is you know, still a home run pick.
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  Speaker 4: Who were you higher on entering the draft, Sturtz or Anderson?
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  Speaker 3: I was more of a Sturtz guy, just because you know,
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  Speaker 3: the size, the feel. I mean, we haven't really seen
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  Speaker 3: him playing an antillary role before, but his skills are
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more cleaner and projectible in my opinion.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the margins are then they were really close
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  Speaker 3: on my board, like and in the same tier. I
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  Speaker 3: just feel more confident with the size and the ability
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  Speaker 3: that we've seen from starts just to succeed pretty much
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  Speaker 3: at every level, high usage in a high minutes role.
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  Speaker 3: But again I didn't have Anderson too far down the line.
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  Speaker 3: I was just more preferential to Starts, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's possible the Hornets were two right, and he gets
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  Speaker 1: picked before you know, if he was on the board,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they take him. There were some reports linking Starts
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  Speaker 1: to the Hornets and talk about a workout that he had,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe he was, you know, in their priority order.
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  Speaker 1: Over over Anderson, we're talking with Stephen Gillespie, no ceilings, MBA.
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  Speaker 1: We started with the LaMelo, you know, blockbuster trade talks
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  Speaker 1: that are reportedly going on. We're now easing into these
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  Speaker 1: guys in the draft. Let's talk about Hannes Steinbach. It
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  Speaker 1: feels to me like the debate in the minds of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of your brethren and the draft analyst community
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  Speaker 1: is is he ultimately a good first big, off the
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  Speaker 1: bench type player or is he ultimately a good starting big.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you fall on that? Where do you think
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  Speaker 1: he ends up in his career?
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  Speaker 3: What role I think, you know, I hate to give
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  Speaker 3: a boring end through here, but sometimes I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: my opinion will change based off of the team that
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  Speaker 3: the player goes to.
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  Speaker 2: I really love the marriage of Steinbach to.
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  Speaker 3: Charlotte because I think that he goes and does all
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  Speaker 3: of the things that he's best at in some of
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  Speaker 3: the more concerning aspects, like on this team in particular,
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  Speaker 3: you're not necessarily worried about, you know, I think that
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  Speaker 3: him being in Charlotte, obviously he's going to be the
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  Speaker 3: premier rebounder I feel like on your team in the
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  Speaker 3: long term. That's his skill set coming in and he's
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  Speaker 3: been a dominant rebounder pretty much at every level at
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  Speaker 3: every stage of his career. And then you know, projectable
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  Speaker 3: shooter shot about thirty four percent from deep while he
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  Speaker 3: was at Washington this year. For his age and at
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  Speaker 3: his position, that's a pretty respectable and favorable metric. So
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  Speaker 3: I think that he kind of helped space this floor,
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  Speaker 3: and that's something that you guys exceled at this season.
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  Speaker 3: The biggest question that I have, and it might have
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  Speaker 3: had to do with where he played basketball this year,
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  Speaker 3: because you know, Washington.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't necessarily a powerhouse.
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  Speaker 3: Is like his ability to playmake because I think he
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  Speaker 3: draws a lot of comparisons to your Domasa Boninus Alpha
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  Speaker 3: and Shane Gooon type guys. But those were clear cut,
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  Speaker 3: like really good playmaking big men. We didn't really get
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  Speaker 3: to see a lot of that with h Haness. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not saying that he can't. We just didn't really see
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  Speaker 3: it on volume. And if you value production over projection,
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  Speaker 3: that's probably the biggest question that you have with him
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  Speaker 3: coming in.
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  Speaker 4: You think he can be a five or is he
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  Speaker 4: more of a four? Why would you play him?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he could be probably a tweener akin to
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not saying, like, you know, strength for
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  Speaker 3: strength with and Isaiah Stewart, but I think he can
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  Speaker 3: talk back and forth between just based on who the
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  Speaker 3: other front court made he is out there with. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I think that with him and Ryan, you probably want
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  Speaker 3: him spacing the floor.
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  Speaker 2: But if you want to.
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  Speaker 3: Go smaller and have you know, one of your four
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  Speaker 3: spacing you know, four men out there, you probably can
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  Speaker 3: survive with him being out there for stretchers at the five.
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  Speaker 3: The biggest thing is that he's going to have to
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  Speaker 3: be more productive on the defensive end. I think he
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  Speaker 3: knows where to be and he's a really smart guy.
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  Speaker 3: He's just not like a disruptive defender either, So you
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  Speaker 3: probably want to see him at the four more often.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that you can get by with him
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  Speaker 3: playing a few minutes a game.
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  Speaker 1: At the five you mentioned his shot right like that,
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  Speaker 1: you talked about the playmaking piece, like is there more
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  Speaker 1: there in terms of playing through him and him setting
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  Speaker 1: up others? I also wonder about that shot. You mentioned
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  Speaker 1: his shot. Are you a believer that he will ultimately
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  Speaker 1: shot thirty four percent low volume? Are you a believer
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  Speaker 1: that he ultimately will be like a stretch big or
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  Speaker 1: are you skeptical of that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a little bit more on the skeptical side, but
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  Speaker 3: I think that he could be at least respectable and
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  Speaker 3: have people come out there and guard him at some point.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I wouldn't project him to be, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like a forty point or forty percent three point shooter
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  Speaker 3: moving forward, but I think if he can get to
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  Speaker 3: that like thirty five thirty six percent level at decent volume,
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  Speaker 3: like that's still going to be a win.
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  Speaker 2: And that's me being on lower end.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's people in the NBA, obviously, but even
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  Speaker 3: at no ceilings who are definitely more optimistic on the
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  Speaker 3: shooting projection. So even me being on like what I
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  Speaker 3: would say the lower end for our group, I still
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  Speaker 3: think that he'll be respectable from deep wish again at
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  Speaker 3: his size and the position.
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  Speaker 2: That's a win.
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  Speaker 1: All right, maybe we should conference in the one of
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  Speaker 1: the guys that is is it likes them better than you?
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  Speaker 1: All right, seriously, Steven, all right, no, Steven, you actually
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  Speaker 1: provided a service. You calmed us down, You allowed us
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  Speaker 1: to chill better. Now stop our freak out and focus
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  Speaker 1: on our draft picks for a few minutes. Now we
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  Speaker 1: will go back to freaking out. Appreciate you and I
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  Speaker 1: do all the compliments about you guys in your coverage,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, a bunch of guys came on with
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  Speaker 1: us and your content is great. No Ceilings NBA, y'all
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  Speaker 1: check it out no Ceilings NBA dot com if you're
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  Speaker 1: looking to see, like read up what they said about
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  Speaker 1: our draft picks.
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  Speaker 5: He is Stephen Gillespie. Thank you, Steven, Appreciate you.
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  Speaker 2: Mag Bone, Thanks for having me. You'll have a good
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  Speaker 2: rest of your day.
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  Speaker 4: You too, man, Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Be good. There you go. Stephen Gillespie from the No
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  Speaker 5: Ceiling nb A team