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HALLIDAY'S HOME TEAM #16: War Prep Across the West, Lyon Unrest & NFL French National Anthem Outrage · Halliday’s Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_05: Um, today we're diving into some heavy but timely territory.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: Governments across the West are quietly and not so quietly telling their citizens to get ready.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_03: The UK just launched its Be Ready campaign, urging every household to stop three days of food, water, medicine, tortures, and power banks.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_03: Japan has also issued its own nationwide appeal for three days' supplies, preferably a full week.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_03: France has been pushing the same 72-hour message.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: And the Americans are telling their military bases to prepare for 90 days of self-sufficiency under something called Fortress.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_03: Sweden, the Netherlands, Ireland, the Baltics.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_03: The list keeps growing.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_03: So is this just sensible resilience planning, or are we watching the public being prepared for something more serious?
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_03: Closer to home, the streets of Lyon have been restless again.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_03: Cost of living, protest, band demonstrations, burnt out shops, and yes, Jean-Louis was back in town over the weekend.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_03: We'll get the local view on what it actually felt like on the ground.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_03: And then there's the NFL's big night in Paris, Steelers versus Saints at the Stade de France, and national anthem that didn't quite land the way the organizers perhaps hoped.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_03: When the singer changed the key line of La Marseillaise, a lot of people noticed, and a lot of people weren't happy.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_03: To help us unpack all of it, I'm delighted to welcome back the gang, the home team, Jean-Louis, Nick, and Billy.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_08: Hello guys, welcome.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_03: Gentlemen, great to have you with us again.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, let's get into it.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: So, preparedness.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_03: Nick, you received a big order this morning, I understand.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_03: Can you tell us what you have ordered?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_08: Toilet paper, obviously, six jars of uh one kilo Nutella, of course, for the kids, you know.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_08: No, but the the question.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_08: So I had the information that the notice for my wife, and um, but I didn't know it was spreading like this all around Europe already, like France notice already.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah, it's all over, it's all over the notice.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_08: So, but where does it come from?
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_08: What is the origin of it?
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_08: Do we know?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_08: Is it because of Iran?
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_08: Is it because of Russia?
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_08: Is it because of Israel and uh Netanyahu?
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know what it's like.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_03: It's not for me, it's not clear.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_03: What happens?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's not clear where the threat is coming from.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_03: There's there's reports of um series of earthquakes, natural disasters, cyber attacks.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's an enemy somewhere.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_04: Why stock up then?
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I think three days, from what I read, is the minimum you need before the government and things uh go back to uh normal, but uh three days is kind of like the borderline of are you gonna be able to stay in your house for an extended period of time, or you're gonna be removed from the area, you know, natural disaster or any any sort of warnings like that.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_09: So it gives you the ability to make a decision.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_09: Um for me it's a little different because yeah, I you know, three days is like a baseline, especially in the US, when uh COVID hit, or if you live in the coastal areas like Florida, that's always a uh precautionary measure.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_09: Uh hurricanes, you know, the natural disaster part.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_09: That's always that's always been there.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_09: Uh for us, we have to decide do we stay, do we go to another part of Europe, or do we try to get home?
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_09: So three days kind of gives you a little window to see what the development of that situation is gonna be.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: The list of threats is mixed, but they're focusing on extreme weather, cyber attacks, hybrid state-sponsored threats, natural disasters, and general resilience.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but that's everything and nothing at the same time.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, it's like uh it's open to any conspiracy possible, also, no?
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, even if you it's war, it's weather.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_08: True.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_08: But the thing that's really freaking me is when I call our friend Billy.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_08: You know, he's very I would say resilient, and then you know, he's a big thing.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_08: I just give you an excuse to shove on Amazon.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_08: Well, he's got that military background, right?
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_08: So he knows.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_08: So you know, he's a peaceful guy and stuff, and uh, and I heard him and uh I talked to him.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_08: I was in Ocean, and I heard at the sound of his voice that he was giving me very precise advice, and he sent me a list of what to do.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_08: So fuck, I get back to I got back to Ocean and I bought six jars of Nutella and stuff like this.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_03: Six jars of Nutella.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_09: I don't know if that was how much Nutella do you normally eat?
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_04: Like nine months or you send us a picture of the provisions you bought.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_04: All I can see is toilet paper.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, mostly, yeah.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_08: Mostly that's what people buy first.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_08: You remember for COVID?
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know if it was the same in the US.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_08: Oh my god.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_08: People first thing people buy people were fighting over paper toilets, not even water.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_03: Have you prepared Jean Laura?
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_03: Of course not.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_08: This is insane.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_08: I don't even know what we're talking about.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_04: You talk why would I prepare?
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't know it was spreading like this in the news.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, the only thing I prepare for is Sunday afternoon when the supermarkets are closed.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_04: So you just gotta make sure you've got something to eat for Sunday night.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_04: Because here in France, most shops are closed on the Sunday.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_08: But you know what's gonna happen when people realize that there was those things talked about, not the those news when it's gonna spread.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_08: You know how people will be terrified, like in COVID and gonna rush out to the it's always something though, isn't it?
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_08: We've got to have what are you going to do at this point, like in COVID?
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_08: What happened in Covid?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_08: I'm going to come and knock on your door.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, we were talking about stealing with yeah, the first thing that we're just loot my neighbor's house, isn't that what's gonna be?
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_08: Exactly what we were saying.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_08: We were having coffee right before you arrived, and Billy said, You don't need to make some uh stock or something like people are gonna loot, you have to.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they'll loot other people's house.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_04: Or what will I mean if I mean seriously, if something something were to happen, then first of all, I'm gonna get wiped off the face of the earth because I live right next to the military base.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_04: So when they strike that, then there will probably be collateral damage, I'm guessing.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_04: So it's pointless.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, you don't need to stock up on water because everyone's got a swimming pool, and in the swimming pool is water, you can drink that thing.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_02: No, you can't drink that.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: No, you can't drink it.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: You can do it once.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: What is he doing in his window?
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_08: He's washing his washing his bum and he's drinking it.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_08: It's a very strange man.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_09: Don't let him in the house just gonna be a good thing.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_09: Can we call you a walking contaminant?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_09: Very fine some stuff.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you can't drink it every day in a lot of it, but you can drink it, you'll survive, wouldn't you?
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely not.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_09: Why not?
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_09: Well, survive is a relative term.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_09: You want to exist?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_09: I mean you might you might grow a second hair.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_09: It depends on how you want to look like, especially the way these guys chemical the pools, forget about it.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_04: When I when I go swimming, which is reasonably regularly, I will I don't know how much I drink when I go to the swimming pool, but it's at least three, four Gorgie.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you swallow it, you don't drink it.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, okay.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_08: It's like drinking seawater, you get a bit sick.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's not like drinking seawater, because if you drink that, it's not good, is it?
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_09: But I I would definitely not recommend drinking pool water.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but if the c if the chlorine level is low, then it's probably okay.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_04: And the chemicals you put in there, they're not that bad.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_04: They wouldn't be that bad, otherwise you wouldn't be able to bathe in it, and kids wouldn't be able to.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, how much should we do that?
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_08: That would be the least worse option, maybe, honestly.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_04: All right, should we talk about the Marseille is because now we're just talking about pool water.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_08: No, no, but I want to uh Ross, for example, how strong do you believe this threat?
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_08: And you didn't buy anything at the moment.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, I I mean why no?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_03: Well, because we've seen this all before, haven't we, with with COVID?
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we understand it's not happening in in isolation um since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_03: European governments have upgraded their threat assessment.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_03: They're it it seems to be a continuation of that.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um they've seen how modern conflict and hybrid attacks can affect civilian infrastructure and daily life without a traditional invasion.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_03: So I think which sort of now coming to terms with what does hybrid warfare look like?
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_08: Um what do you call hybrid like drones and stuff like that?
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_03: Essentially, pretty much everything is my understanding of it.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_03: Drones, um cyber attack.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_09: Well, somewhere in Europe issue.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_09: Was it here in France with the supermarkets?
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_09: Somebody hacked into the uh temperature control and the frozen food.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, intermarine.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_08: And shut down 3,000 uh Yeah, all that food ruined.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_03: So I mean So you've got those cyber attacks, then you've got the the rioting and the looting.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_03: I know they weren't necessarily stealing stealing uh meat products and stuff, although that would be an interesting it prepare on one side, go and loot the supermarkets on the other.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, it seems to be the right yeah, you could do that once and that supermarket's emptied, correct?
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but let's I mean, more seriously, if the electricity goes off.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I know you've probably bought a lot of um, I mean, Nutella's not gonna go off anytime soon, but you know, if you've got fridges and um I bought a generator yesterday.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_03: You bought a generator, okay.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: So you're really getting prepared.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, let's let's it's cost it costs three uh three hundred bucks, it runs for hours with uh two liters of petrol in it.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, it's the best investment you get.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_03: So let's So with the cost of petrol through the roof, it only costs you what?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: 200 euros per day.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_04: Nico could sell the watch and get 10 years worth of petrol supplies.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_04: So I think we're probably okay.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_04: Let's answer Nico's question, why not?
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_04: So let's go around and say out of ten, what is your your thinking?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_04: What's your score of threat?
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_03: Let's start with Billy, because Billy's the the military expert with us.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_09: I would say here, right now, at this point, it's probably like five or six.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_09: Out of ten?
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_09: Say let's let's take the you know Russian invasion off the table.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_09: I remember Hurricane Sandy in 2012?
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_09: It hit it hit New York City very bad.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_09: And I was part of the uh recovery efforts there, and we would go downtown.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_09: Well, first half of Queens burned, so there was the fire aspect.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_09: And then there were uh people that had to have their basements pumped out, so no electricity, no uh you know, no running water.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_09: And that was a major part of New York City, so a lot of people were affected.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_09: And I remember charging my phones in my car, you know, before I had to go to work, and that was just a natural disaster.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_09: So I think being at a level of depending on how many people are in your house, your family, your children, enough water for three or four days so you can make a decision, enough food, dehydrated, whatever, just add hot water, a little kettle with a propane tank, you know, you buy it at the camping store, and you can be in a position to make a decision without 24 hours in wondering where you're gonna get water.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_09: So Billy, so you've said six.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_08: Six out of ten.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_08: I say five.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_08: Uh but I think we can't rely on weather.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, it's unpredictable.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_08: It should not even be taken account into the equation, no, don't you think?
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, ru you you take out Russia from the equation.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_08: Well if you take out For me, weather is uh is something unpredictable.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_08: I mean if people have scale of it can happen anytime.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_08: So exactly.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_09: I mean that's my point as far as putting the score up, and then you have the uh you know, you have the incident with the supermarkets and the refrigeration getting hacked.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_09: Who knows who did that?
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_09: We still don't know.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_09: And now I mean I don't want to uh make a guess on a week from now after the American election when the midterms are over, you know, what Trump's actions are gonna be.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_08: And Netanyahu.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_09: Reelection of Netanyahu.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_09: There's a lot of things coming today, right?
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_09: Definitely an X factor with that.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_09: So yeah, I'm pretty confident with a six.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_08: So that's a five for me for Nico.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: I think I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Billy.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_03: I think a six would probably be not that I've done anything necessarily about it.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: Uh three days seems three days, that's a long weekend.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_03: What without Nutella?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: I think I can last.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um without electricity, okay.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_03: So without water, that becomes a bit problematic.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, water seems to be the water is the biggest issue.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_03: The biggest supply issue, right?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_04: You got a swimming pool.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_03: So you can you can it's freezing cold.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_08: It's gonna come at night with a throat.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but yeah, so you can't okay, so you know, drinking water, there's enough drinking water for for three days.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_09: I I guess maybe you've never dealt with it here where they've told you your water supply is contaminated.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_09: No, have you done that?
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_09: It never happened in France, I think.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, it's happened in the US.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_08: Maybe when there is flood in South Sufference.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_09: When that, you know, initial initial incident, whether it be the weather, happens in the US, like especially when it affects my mother, you know, it's lead in the water, stuff like that.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_09: So your ability to use your tap water ends at a certain point.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_03: To to clean as well as to drink.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, obviously drinking.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_08: The water is drinkable in the US, anywhere you go from from tap?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_09: I would say 90%, yeah.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_09: Okay, but there are areas that they tell you not to drink the tap.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_04: So I'll give you my score.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_04: My score is two out of ten.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: And the reason I think it's two out of ten is because um you're gonna run on a military base.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_09: You know you have a strike.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_09: Right.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_04: We we have a good army, that's the first thing.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_04: Secondly, we're quite far away, physically speaking, from our main enemies.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: And thirdly, so there are other countries who are buffer to us, like Germany, like Italy, like uh Switzerland, like uh Austria.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_04: They're all a sort of buffer to whoever might want to attack us.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_04: We um the the main threat as far as I could see is internal, not external, if we take today as our marker.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_04: And right now, you know, from what I saw in the in the uh in the London in the Lyon riots at the weekend, we have more internal threat than we do external right now.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_04: If we're talking about us in living in Lyon and being looted or whatever, two out of ten, because no one has made any direct threats to us, as far as I know, not China, not Russia, not anyone.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_04: There's no overt direct threats right now to this country, as far as I know.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_04: There's always hybrid warfare going on.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_04: Hybrid warfare meaning uh the conjunction between the digital and the physical world.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_04: You know, that kind of stuff goes on all the time.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_04: We hear about uh who did we uh you know, uh for example, um I think it was uh who was it, one of the big uh government organizations, I'm gonna have to remember which one it was now, had its accounts hacked.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_04: Uh one of the big banks had its here in France had its accounts hacked as well.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_04: So people was, you know, you had to be careful that your was it Dr Lib that was hacked?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_08: Oh yeah.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_04: So Dr Lib meaning they've got you know most of uh our details in France.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_04: Everyone's on Doctor Lib.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_04: Doctor Lib meaning the health.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_04: The it's the equivalent of the NHS book uh book a doctor service, right?
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_04: So that was hacked.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_04: So P, you know, we got messages saying be careful, try and figure out or change your passwords and all that.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_04: So we're constantly under threat of that.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_04: So that's like a one.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: That's a non-tell.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: So that's why it's not zero, because there's always a threat out there.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_04: But I don't see any other uh threat to France right now that's gonna come.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_04: Mainly the things that might happen is if we get civil disorder, which is possible, then the it goes from a two to a to a six, let's say.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_04: But the I guess the thing with these things is it can go very quick.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_04: So it can go from two to six.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't have to go two to three to four to five to six, it can go from two to six within a week, I guess.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_04: So right now, as things stand today, I think it's two.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but the notion of distance of your enemy doesn't mean nothing for me because I mean you got missiles that can strike you five thousand kilometers away from the side.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but we've got missiles wrong, so we can fly two thousand kilometers.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: They they know that if they send a missile, we'll send a missile.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_04: So it's kind of mutual destruction.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_08: That's why we have Irans shoot us and just they know they're gonna be able to do that.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_04: But Iran's got other enemies to deal with first before they come to France.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_04: France is not that high on their list, is it?
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_08: No, but they will not shoot the US first, but they they will shoot the guys on the field if there is an in like a and we've got we've got a decent army in France.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_04: Unlike the UK now.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_03: I mean to to my mind, it's very much a question of trying to harden society against you know this full range that you mentioned, um, and there are others.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we also don't know the reality with regards to AI and and what it is up to, um, which I think sort of you know muddies the water even further.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_03: Uh at what point do we uh at what point do we do we hear that you know that is the the number one threat because they've essentially lost control of it?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: I mean the Pope warns unchecked AI could threaten human human security and global peace, coupled with everything else that we are seeing, civil unrest.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_04: I think the Pope knows next to nothing about AI, is my guess.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_04: And the people around him know next to nothing about AI, and maybe he's advised by people who know about AI, but from what I've heard about people who do understand AI, talking about the Pope, talking about AI, they're like, what is your focus on the stuff you know about, like condoms.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's where I I would disagree with what Jean-Louis has just said.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: I think when you've got the the platform like the Vatican has, um I don't think that they're gonna be issuing something uh like this if they don't, if the threat isn't actually you know, we're gonna talk about the Marseillaise in a bit, which is relevant to the conversation we're having just now because I would say to you that the biggest threat to France today is internal anarchy.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_04: From what we've already seen with COVID, we know we can descend it to into quasi-dictatorship quite quickly, and that people will respond.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_04: You know, the I remember during COVID in in France, where I was living in a village, the the the gendarmerie would come round and fine us and be extremely strict as to us staying at uh in our uh homes.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_04: For what reason?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_04: We all know why.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_04: So that you know that can happen very, very quickly.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_04: The government can take over and impose martial law essentially and basically make us all stay at home.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_04: The second thing is what we've seen in the looting and the rioting and the burning of our cities in the last two weeks is uh something that can happen in an instant.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_04: It can it it's it I'm I mean how many tens you can.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_08: You need weapons.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_08: Do you think you have enough weapons?
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean you can get nobody else.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_04: There are many weapons circulating in France, but yeah, but you need thousands of that to be a good thing.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, but I I know, but you don't to to to create havoc and destitution in a city, you don't really need weapons.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_04: We've seen that in the cities, haven't we?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_04: So the um you could see that it could happen very quickly.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_04: You could get an insurrection or you could get a sort of mini civil war going quite easily, as far as I could see in France.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_08: No, because we didn't see any reply from the police at the moment, but uh as soon as there will be a response from the police, because they were not they were told not two response.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_04: I know, but these things could probably escalate.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_04: They probably could escalate.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_04: If the police escalated, they would escalate.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_04: And it would become uh but anyway, I'm not th that's why I'm at two out of ten at the moment because I don't see it happening.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: But it sounds like your two is getting a bit heavier than the two.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just I'm just saying what could be scale point.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but when you're gonna by the end of this, it'll be up at eight.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's uh it's a two out of ten right now, but it could I'm saying it could go up to six if things were to degenerate.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, to generate.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_08: Do you know what the the the the the biggest threat is at the moment in France?
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_08: The way you're dressed today.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_08: Because you fucking look like a swimming pool guy.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_08: I that's why you swimming.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_08: That's right.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_08: You know, um can we all die for this?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_04: There's nothing wrong with uh swimming pool guys for a start.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean you got prepared, you've you've had a haircut.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: Uh let's move on to uh what you saw over the weekend with the second round of riots.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that was some interesting footage that you you sent through.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't know if we're gonna can we use we'll try and get that voice note, that lengthy voice note.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but uh whilst we're on our podcast, perhaps you want to really paint the picture of what you saw in the case.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_04: So I drove into the city centre of Lyon when it all kicked off last Saturday, which was about four or five pm, and I made voice notes as I drove into the city centre.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_04: My plan was to drive into the city centre, park the car, walk to where it was going on, and observe, right?
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_04: That was the plan.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_04: And then in fact, that's what I did.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_04: But in doing so, I drove down one of the main roads and ended up getting blocked by so by this massive bin on fire with all these people around it, which is what happens, right?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_04: And I managed to to uh so they they just did that right ahead of me, literally 50 meters ahead of me, and there was like four or five cars in front of me, and all and all the rioters came out and started telling all the cars you can't come down here anymore, you got reversed.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_04: Where the fuck are we gonna go?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's a one-way street, there's nowhere to go.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_04: And all the police had brought blocked every single one of the bridges leading into Lyon, into the city, into the old city centre of Lyon.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_04: So I couldn't go there, so I was trapped.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, because I'm basically like a MacGyver, I managed to drive around the bin, and the protesters were trying to stop me drive around the bin, and I had to drive over these barriers which they'd put on the ground, had a burning bin on the left, and my tiny little Dacia spring.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, because it it sounds like he had a like a fucking Hummer or something.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_08: No, he was in Adcia.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, I was in a that's the only the only reason I could get through is because I had the smallest car available to mankind, and I managed to drive around the bin on the road, pushing these protesters out of the way, and they weren't very happy we were driving through, but anyway, I managed to get through.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_04: But what you know, the sad thing is when I did that, the people some of the people torching the bin, 12 year old kids.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's it's pathetic of the parents, I think, to uh to allow that kind of crap to happen.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, I mean you know, on a Saturday afternoon, if I know my kid's in the center of town, be like, what's he doing?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Right now in the centre of town.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't take your son this time.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_04: No, I didn't because I knew I was going to get close to the action, so I thought best not.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_04: So drove into uh into town, parked the car, and then walked into the city centre where it was all happening, which is basically around Jean-Marsi, which is the only place where it could happen because the the the police had cordon off everywhere else.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_04: And when I got there, what did I see?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_04: Of course, I saw burning stuff, I saw uh protesters.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_04: Now, they're not protesters as far as I'm concerned.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_04: This the people I saw were more like riotous, you know, fully geared up, fully cam, you know, you can't see their faces.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_04: And when the police drove by quite fast, they're chucking bottles, they're chucking rocks at the police cars.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_04: I'm thinking this is insanely dangerous.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_04: You know, how these people should be arrested and put in jail for six months.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_04: This is you know, they're chucking bottles at police cars, smashing against police cars.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_04: So at this point you didn't see the police yet?
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_04: No, that were the they were in the cars.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but like surrounding the police.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, it was very close to all the police.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_04: The the CRS, not police, but CRS I saw a lot.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_03: But are these the bottles that we've seen across social media that were delivered?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: Do you see that huge crate of bottles that was delivered?
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_03: We saw the same thing in America with the bricks.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh maybe.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: So who who's delivering bottles?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it could be, or maybe they just it this looked like well, what I saw and I took videos of it is uh empty vodka bottles.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't know if that, you know, and the people who are chucking it, it don't seem like they just finished the uh they must have got that those bottles from somewhere.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but it looks like it's provided from some source.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_08: It could be, I don't know, but it's organized.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_08: It's very well organized.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_08: It's not very difficult to get hold of bottles or whatever to chuckle.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but you come in hundreds and you know, and be ready to distribute it and stuff.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_08: That's that's how it looks.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, probably maybe.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_04: But I didn't see that.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_04: All I saw is the uh the action.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_04: So you have all the CRS.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_04: So so really what what what I saw in Lyon this this time around was um they were far more strategic in where they were positioning themselves around the city.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_04: They blocked off access to the east and to the west of the city, so you couldn't get you couldn't literally couldn't walk or drive into the old city.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_04: So it clearly, and that's why in my my voice notes I'm talking about the streams of people wandering down that street I was driving up.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_04: And I figured out why eventually it's because all the bridges are blocked.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_04: So people could either only be on the on the west side of the city or the east side of the city.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_04: And I was on the west side, and which is where Jean Marseille is, which is where all the action was.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_04: And in the city centre, yeah, it was it was frightening.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_04: You wouldn't want to be wandering around.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_04: And I think if this continues to go on for a bit, people are gonna move out of the city centre.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_04: People are gonna have enough of it.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's just it's and so all these people chucking shit at the police, chucking shit at the cars, uh, you know, boo booing at the police.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_04: And then when you when I was wandering around, the some of the bars and cafes were open and people just drinking, or the protesters, if we'll call them that.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_09: Dinner and a show.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_04: And they're they're they're having a half-time drink in the cafe.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, in the cafes.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_04: There was there was nothing left to break.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_04: Well, their their ire was aimed at the police.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_04: So they were burning they they what they did is they set up uh sort of roadblocks by burning the bins that we have in Lyon in the middle of the streets.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_04: So quite a lot of streets had burning bins, which means that no cars can drive past anymore.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_04: And the police were always in groups of, I don't know, 30, 40, 50 when they were wandering around.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: So they're I guess Billy, they're they're in big enough groups so that if they get attacked, they can defend themselves.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_04: So it's not just like one or two or four policemen by themselves, big enough groups strategically placed in different parts so they can keep spand wherever it kicks up.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and also make sure that the groups of protesters don't get don't amass too big.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_04: That seemed to be the strategy from what is on the city centre of Lyon.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_04: But again, another mini war zone happening down in the city centre of Lyon on a Saturday afternoon.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't know how long this is gonna go on for.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_04: And there was no the the protests were not allowed in Lyon this last weekend.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there was a there was a ban on it, right?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_04: Not only did we have a curfew where you had to be at home at night time.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_04: Is it still running?
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um I don't know if it's running right now, is it?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't heard anything about curfew right now.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_04: But we still haven't gotten a lot of things.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, I don't I don't think we've heard no, but we've we've got more protests planned for this weekend again, right?
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_03: So but I think you I think you raised some really important points.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we've mentioned it previously uh on another pod, and that is you know who is who is in control, right?
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_03: Because it sort of seems that you can you can now put all these bands in order, the curfews, but they're they're being ignored.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um there was more rioting.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: I visited um Seattle last year uh and having conversations uh with police there, they were talking about uh specific no-go zones for police uh in Seattle.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: Now this is this is something that we've seen across urban areas, but at what point, to to your point, JLo, do urban areas in general become no-go zones?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_09: Um that especially uh Seattle, where it's always a leftist exper uh experiment that was politically driven.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_09: Where the mayor said you the police can't enforce laws here.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_09: It happened during COVID, I forgot what the town they called a specific name for a town or part of town that only the rioters police and administered.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_09: And they let this happen.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_09: It's out of it's out of control.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_08: But there is no doubt for me that it it is organized.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_08: No?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, there is specific groups of blah blah blah.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_08: It's coordinated more than organized, I would say.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I think that's correct.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's very, very, very coordinated.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's coordinated, but not particularly organized.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_04: There isn't a head looter who says, right, guys, we're gonna loot this shop and that shop.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_04: It's more like coordination where they say, right, we're gonna descend down in this area and then we'll have a free-for-all.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_08: But at some point if you know who's gonna show up.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_08: If it at some point, if it's uh escalated like you said, escalate escalate.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_08: Escalate, sorry.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_08: Uh you will have you will need a leader.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_08: So I think there is already someone on top of the other.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, maybe, but I I don't I don't I don't know if that's that's necessarily true.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_04: If you look at the the yellow vest, the Gilet Jeanne, they never had a leader.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_08: But there was one by default, you know, the guys that get shot and with the uh with the how do you call it like the the the plastic bolt in the eyes and he lost a line.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_04: He became the He became but he became more of a Jean d'Arc than a leader.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_04: He was a martyr.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_04: But then he was driven a lot of the things.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_04: But but the the reason it was leader the the but my what I'm trying to say here is that the leaderless nature of the Gilets jaun is one of the reasons it ended up disappearing.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_04: Because when the Macron government decided to throw money at the problem, no leader was there going, We don't want your money, we want this, we want that.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_04: In the end it just dissipated, but also because of COVID.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_04: And I think the same thing's gonna happen with this band of rioters is the it is leaderless.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_08: And if there, you know, don't you think uh Mélenchon is leading the stuff?
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_08: I mean he's letting it do it.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_08: He has no opinion about it, so he's he's chief coordinator.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_08: Chief coordinator, yeah, but he's not a leader of it.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_08: He will never admit it's bad to do it.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_04: So I mean, because a leader means you know someone who gets gets involved.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, he becomes but he's never gonna go out there and loot a shop.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's not responsible, but he will coordinate and say, look, you know, capitalism is bad, so I'm gonna stand back whilst the rest of you get involved.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: There's certainly a lot going on in France, and uh we're gonna bring Billy into this next one.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Nick's got a lot of uh things to say about it too.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_03: But uh there was uh an NFL game in Paris, Steelers versus the Saints.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: Now I don't know anything about those two teams, nor do I know too much about NFL.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_03: Uh but it was at the Stade de France.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um the whole point of this is to really to try to grow the game in Europe.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um good luck with that.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: We've we've got uh a very a much better version in rugby, but anyway.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um the original, obviously.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the the headlines centered, unfortunately.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I don't know what the game was like.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: I don't don't know who won.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_03: Billy, you can tell us all about that.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_03: But the national anthem caught the headlines at such a volatile moment um because it didn't quite land with uh the fans.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know anything about this singer.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: This is again Nick's area, um, popular culture, and and perhaps we can sort of segue into the Celine Dion concert after that, Nick.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, he was really close with it.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: The singer changed a key line of La Mace is right, and a lot of people noticed.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_03: Let's let's play the clip now, and we can then break it down.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: And now to sing the national anthem of France.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: French singer, songwriter, and classical violist, minimum.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: So invisible.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_04: May I provide a bit of context?
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_08: No.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_08: No.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_08: Um so NFL.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_08: So it was two American uh teams, yeah.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_08: So first, why do we play the French anthem with the American?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_08: Well, it's in France, it's in France.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but whatever.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but it's also an NFL tradition to play the um the national anthem at the game.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_08: No, but of course, but it's not French.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, you play We're in France.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_04: Why not?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, Nico.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_04: They play the Noah.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_08: I appreciate the American putting the hand on the the heart and stuff.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_08: It's it's amazing, but it's an American uh game.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: So you think they should have played the American national anthem?
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_04: Well, they did play the national anthem afterwards, yeah.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_04: No, before the Marseilles and I watched the whole thing.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_04: I loved the game, fantastic game.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_04: I love NFL.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, before you get into yours, I want to Nick, the controversy.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_03: Can you explain the controversy to us?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_08: Well, the controversy is that this singer, which is um not French, she's Canadian, so she's Franco-Canadian singer Canadian.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_08: We've never heard of her ever in France.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I'm pretty good on music and stuff, all type of music, and I've never heard of her, nobody else.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_08: And she's singing an interpretation of the Marseillaise, which means she just changed one word, and that one word, which is the last word of the of the song, I think.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_08: It's the second second last the second last sentence, second last sentence, but it changed uh one word and it changed the whole meaning of the song, and the whole meaning of the last most important two sentence of this song, which is she changed from unpure, which is uh impure blood from the enemy, uh feeding our blood.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know how you say that, but uh feeding feeding our feeding to um uh united uh blood, which doesn't mean water or fields, yeah.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, which means uh our enemy, our friend, we are the same blood.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_08: This is the exact opposite of what should have been done.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_08: So is it the something because she's Franco-Canadian?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_08: So at first I thought because she was English, I thought she was English, so she didn't know how to pronounce and she said uni, but it's not true.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_08: She was on purpose doing it.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_08: Why did she do it?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_08: Is it because of a woke uh ascendant?
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_08: No, I don't know what she did is but uh it made a big controversy.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_08: People say it's nothing, but I think for me it's uh very, very important.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_08: And I heard that she did the same for the American anthem.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_08: She changed some words, or she didn't sing the national anthem.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_08: She didn't sing the anthem.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_08: No, no, no.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_04: She only sang the French national anthem.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_08: And uh and then it was played record for the no the American American one.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_04: There was no uh there was no lyrics.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_04: It was an interpret uh again an interpretation by a jazz band from New Orleans.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_04: And it was very it was very lovely, by the way.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_04: And then she did the interpretation of the French national anthem.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_04: And I thought she it was nice until she said this word qu'un sang uni as opposed to unpure, as uh Nico has just said, and everyone was like, What did we just hear that right?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_04: What what's the yeah?
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_04: So do you think she she did it on purpose?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_08: Of course she did it on purpose.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_08: So it was planned.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_08: It's see who has her this, it can be the Canadian government because she's definitely not the Canadian government.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_08: Who drove it?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_08: The French government, the Stade de France?
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's an important point that you raised because obviously the the sharp criticism, uh, the and there, in my opinion, mainly those politically on the right were seem to be the most vocal online, from what I can see, um, expressing their anger uh about how she manipulated something that really, in my mind, is it should be very sacred, it is very sacred.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_08: Why?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_08: Because now in France, when you are patriotic, you're from the fire art of fascist immediately.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_08: I think yeah.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_03: There is no so I don't think getting back to the point in terms of coordinating, I don't think this was a good move.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: It's not the first time we've seen it.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_03: We've also seen it um when France has been on the international stage with regards to the Olympics.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_03: This is an American football game.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of Americans presumably will be watching it, and I don't think it's a very good representation.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_03: Now we listen to the French national anthem being sung at rugby games, and at the end of this, perhaps we'll play how it should be played.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's a very rousing, incredible national anthem to listen to, and live especially, you know, it really gets the the emotions going.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: So to me, this this seems a little bit like a cheap attack.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, again, to rile passions and feelings at exactly the wrong time.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_03: John Louis, you are the other Frenchman in the room.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: What did your what was your reaction?
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean, I listened to it live because I was watching the game on TV.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_04: And when I heard it, when she said it, it well, first of all, when she started singing, the first thing that came to my head is she's not French because she's not a native English uh French speaker.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_03: And that did that up so that up.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_04: You can hear it when you if you listen to the song, she doesn't she doesn't sound like she speaks French natively.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_04: So I was thinking, oh, she must be American.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_04: And uh because I've never heard of her either.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_04: And then um she started saying, you know, the I thought the music was nice, it was fine.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_04: Boring.
• 37:18
  unknown: Okay.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_03: I think she, yeah, to my mind too, she she butchered it with all due respect.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, fine.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_04: Well, whatever, but I'm I'm not a you know, I'm not a great music critique, but I did hear when she said Cincent Uni, and I was like, What?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_04: So you you you heard it immediately.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_04: I heard it immediately, and I was thinking to myself, that's bizarre, that's not the lyrics, it's strange.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_04: And normally I sing along when I hear the Marseilleurs, but I couldn't sing along to this one because it was slowed down and it was you know very theatrical.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_04: But um, yeah, she said uh, so I didn't think too much of it, but then uh the next day when I opened my newspapers, what did I see?
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_04: People talking about it, and it was on the TV, and um but to my mind it didn't mar the actual game because the if I just go to the NFL for two seconds, this the actual game was a great game.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_04: Did you watch it, Bill?
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_04: No, you didn't watch it now.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_04: I watched one, it was uh it was a great game, I loved it.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_04: We had some uh Aaron Rodgers, for example, uh playing who's a fantastic fantastic quarterback.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_04: He actually broke a NFL record whilst he was playing in Paris, so that added to the to the whole fanfare of the thing.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_08: So that's two big team in the US?
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_08: That's those two months.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_08: Why did they come to France in the first place?
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_09: Well, NFL schedules games I said, I think like five games.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_09: London has had quite a few.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, so they're just trying to get the game.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_08: So it's international.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_08: It's a way of growing the game internationally, yeah.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's quite a bit of a game.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_04: Just like NDA would do for years.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, why why not?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's nice, it's nice to be discovered with it.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_04: We uh New Zealand and who was it, New Zealand and Australia and South Africa played in uh in America.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_02: Chicago, right?
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_04: In was it in Chicago, was it?
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_04: Uh this this year, wasn't it?
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_09: And it was a fantastic uh I think it was sold out.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, they were.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_04: And this was full, the stadium was full as well.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_04: There were a lot of fans from America who'd come over.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, NFL is fun to watch.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_04: I love I enjoy watching NFL because I I I enjoy watching a lot of sports.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_04: I think NFL's great.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_04: And the fantastic thing about this one on TV, by the way, is uh that the the French commentators, the two French commentators, explained how the game works to people.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_04: And I thought it was I I was actually clapping at the end of the thing because I was like, you guys, I was gonna write, you know, send them a message or something saying, hey, you guys did a fantastic job of explaining NFL to French people.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_04: I thought it was.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_04: Um that's Sunday.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, no, back to the back to the line.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is like this this whole thing with Nina Tonji who changed the lyrics, it it's small it's small potatoes compared to well certainly didn't affect the Americans because they wouldn't have known.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but you you talked about it, I saw that people were talking about it in the US.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_09: It may but what is your point on if you change one word and you change is I mean it has been strategically planned to change this word, uh and it changed the whole point of the of the I mean she's definitely trying to make a statement, you know, and and they put a national anthem at the beginning of a game, you have two opposing teams, right?
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_09: It's the state no matter what sport.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_09: National anthem, I love hearing it.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_09: It's a way to bring everybody together before you split everybody apart and have them cheering for the other team, you know.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_09: And then to make you know, it's happened to in the US qu quite a few times, um whether they're changing the lyrics or players like LeBron and you know, taking a Kaepernick, taking a knee.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, so they use that to uh that opportunity because everybody's watching.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe it's just importing a bit of that then into into France.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_04: Which would be unfortunate.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_04: Because she she she she she may have taken umbrage with the uh the words Casson et pure because it's I don't think she can do that by herself.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think there's any way that she's doing this by herself.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, maybe so just to clarify in terms of the translation for those that may have missed it or those that you know don't speak French, the the words of this particular line are May an impure blood water our fields, and that was changed to may a united blood water our fields.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_03: So perhaps it had some intention to be a uniting force rather than the opposite.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_03: However, the change did draw sharp online and political backlash, especially from the right, as we've said.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_03: Critics argued that the national anthem, which was written by Claude Joseph Rouget de Lille.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_03: De Lille.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_03: So it was written in 1972 as a revolutionary war song and a core republican symbol.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_03: Very specifically, they believe it should not be rewritten.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: Many said that the new wording either made little sense or inverted the original intent.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: Instead of calling for the blood of the revolution's enemies, foreign invaders, traitors, and counter-revolutionaries, to be shed, united blood could be read as implying the spilling of French people's own blood.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_03: Polit politicians such as Nicholas Mertzdorf and figures linked to the national rally called it undignified and a sign of historical ignorance.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: Some also noted possible legal implications under French law against publicly outraging the national anthem during an event with a fine of what 8,000 euros, 7,500 euros.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_03: So not the right time to be messing around with uh the French national anthem.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_03: You were there at the sorry, let's just go to the Celion Dion concert, which you were there.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_03: Was there any was there any changing of the of the lyrics uh that you noticed there?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_08: How was the how you remember do you remember when she surprised everybody at the Olympics in the Olympics, yeah, with uh she was on top of the Eiffel Tower singing a very traditional French song uh from Edith Piaf?
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_08: It was beautiful.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_08: And she did an Shandashing, and she is a Franco Franco Canadian Canadian.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, she's a perfect example of being a Franco-Canadian, so and she never changed anything.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_08: So yeah, no, this is this is for me it's just a shame.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_03: So we've got the uh protests and uh more rioting expected uh this weekend.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I don't know if we're gonna have a chance to to go down to it, but um obviously I'm definitely not going with Jean-Louis.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_09: No, he's such bad luck in the dash.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_04: So Nico ready for me.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_04: Nico won't get come with me because no, thank you.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_04: He has zero respect for my car.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_08: Bill, I'll come pick you up.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I'll meet you somewhere.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_08: No, but and uh you we just have to remember also that we are handing a two weeks vacation.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, that's that's what I was gonna say.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_08: So maybe there will be more people than last week.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I don't know.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know if those people take vacation.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_08: I don't even know if they work.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_08: This is their vacation.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, this is their vacation.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_08: So but it's uh it might increase, yeah.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_08: I think maybe not next week, but the fifth of November, fourth of November.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_08: Is supposed to be the big one, yeah.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_08: And the left is clearly calling for rioting, I would say.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_08: So let's watch it.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_08: Maybe we will bring some video, go on the field and see what's going on.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_08: Why don't we rock through Lyon when this is happening?
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well with the with with the with a ghetto blaster of uh the French national anthem and some French flags with our American rock sex on.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_09: Or we could take a poll down around John Mace and ask them what their rating of the uh proper situation should be.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_09: On a scope from one to two.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_09: I wonder if they're at a two or two.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_08: But to be honest, have you done it?
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_08: Sorry, go ahead.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_08: No, no, please.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_08: Have I done what no?
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_08: I've done the little tourist thing with my kid because they wanted to see the riots.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_08: The results of the riots.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_08: The result of the riots.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_08: Billy did it with his family and his brother-in-law.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_08: But uh, we did it afterwards, so the day after the big ones.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_08: So not the previous, not this uh previous week and the other one.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, we covered it on the last part, which you missed because you were recovering from your Celine Dion concert.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_08: But uh yeah, and uh so it was uh it's we it's it's it was shocking.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_09: They covered up the tourist center.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_03: Is it all boarded up?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, which was one of the oldest uh building in Lyon.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_08: They just burned down.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_03: What was it used for originally?
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_08: Do we do we I don't I don't remember?
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_08: It looks like an orangerie.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it looks like maybe uh maybe for horses stable or something like that.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_08: But also, um I did not realize how fucked up it was with the uh mayor, the Marie in uh Limoges.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_08: Uh-huh.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_08: It was burned down, but totally.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't know.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_08: I thought it was just uh the the the Noah's the whole thing.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_04: The whole thing went burned down.
• 45:41
  unknown: Wow.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_03: What what do you guys feel about that in terms of the I've I've read a lot about I mean obviously the Marie, um which is way more symbolic than uh town hall in the Marie.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it's way more symbolic here in France than it is in the UK.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I don't think you've got any left in the in the US, or maybe you didn't have any, but there's everything goes everything goes through the Marie.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_03: The Marie, right?
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and uh you've also got you've got uh marriages, etc.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it's to my understanding, a sort of symbol of French society, right?
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_03: You're you're it's an attack directly to the heart of the community.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_04: That was the whole point of it.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_04: And this this particular activist, he um he's got a history of it.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_04: And so uh the one who started the burnt thing?
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_04: The one who burnt it on there.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_04: The one they've caught and who allegedly has allegedly burnt the dynamic.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_09: That's not a one-man job.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's not.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_04: And he's gonna he's gonna be on trial and we'll figure that out.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_03: But but at what point do we we're you know, we're being told to prepare?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm looping this back in uh aware of the time, but um at what point do we a lot of people were discussing that this this is a uh an act of war.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's a bit it's not an act of war.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's not a war against who?
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_04: If you're if you're committing an act of war, you have to know who your enemy is or who you're declaring war against.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_08: So who clearly is the establishment is the enemy for them.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_08: I think the mayor is the enemy.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_08: All the people working in it are considered like fascists because they they they they they they work, they live in it.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_08: So I think it's it's it's a declaration of war for me.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_08: It's clearly you're attacking the heart of the city.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_04: I mean it's a it's a it's maybe a first thrones stone thrown in a new revolution, anti-capital, anti-capitalist revolution, I think is what they're after.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_04: They would like France to topple, or the current system to topple, and change it with an anti-capitalist system.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_04: So a Marxist uh replace it with a Marxist system, I'm sure.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_04: That's what they would want.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_09: That'll work out great.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_03: But war means, you know, they I'm sure they want this to happen peacefully rather than the But if it's a bit a bit like being in a sort of abusive uh relationship.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you've had all these things uh happen to France.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it wasn't so long ago we were covering the the theft of the crown jewels of France.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh there was the attack on the Notre Dame that burnt down.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_03: Now I'm not saying that you know this is this is one particular group, but it does feel when you start you know mixing up the words of the national anthem, uh it starts becoming a little bit uncomfortable to fly the flag.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you start attacking the heart of the community in the Marie.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um Marie.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_03: And then you've got um the riots, the attack.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_03: It seem it it's how much how much more can France absorb?
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_09: See, we may not feel like we're at war, but they are definitely at war with the French society.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_03: Who's they?
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_09: The rioters and people burning down your national historic landmarks.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, that's part of it.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_09: They are at war.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_09: However, yeah.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_09: We're not fighting it that way.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_08: It's another type of war.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_03: So to your military minds is under attack.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_09: Oh, a hundred percent.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_09: National symbols, destruction in the streets, uh mom and pop shops that are you know, looting, yeah, burning, you know, symbols of your town are being destroyed.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_09: Patterns.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_09: And it's not by accident.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_03: So they're dil deliberately dissolving what it what it means to be French, uh, French identity.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_09: Yes.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, when I first got here, Nico explained to me, you know, I asked him, like, oh, you don't hang a flag in front of your house?
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_09: You know, I grew up with that.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_09: Like every house had a f just an American flag.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_09: And he's like, No, in France we can't, because then you'd be considered hard right.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_09: And I noticed the only time I see a flag in, you know, other than a holiday, is on the uh official government buildings.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_09: You know, for me as an American, that's that's a culture shock.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe, you know, in the next in a following episode of Home Home Team, we should try and define what it what is it to be French?
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_04: What does it mean to be French?
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_04: Because I I've been thinking about this over the last couple of weeks and seeing all these things on TV.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_04: And when I think about that guy who burned down the Limoges, let's assume it's him, who burned down the building.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_04: I think to myself, who's more French?
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_04: Him or me?
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_08: I think it's gonna be the main question for the presidential election that's gonna happen in six months is gonna be this.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_08: I agree with you.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_08: I agree.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_08: It's what is it to be French?
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, and the the the the the the the counter effect of what the left is the right are doing is that it's feeding the left, it's it's feeding the right, the far right, more and more and more.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_08: So we cannot talk anymore about isolated acts here and there.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, there is a kidding there, there is burning there.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_08: No, it's all linked, like you said.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_08: Small by small, the you know, campaign.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, it's it's I mean one battle.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_08: It feels like a campaign.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_09: I mean the same thing's going on in the US, you know, it and it's not an accident.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_09: It's uh somewhere organized and somewhere supported, and obviously televised very well, and the message is getting out.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_08: And how how do you dismantle this?
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_08: Because for sure, the secret service and stuff, the know the the source of it.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_08: What there's nothing is happening.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_04: In in the end of the day, uh unfortunately, I think well not unfortunately, in the end of the day it comes down to economics.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_04: If uh the the I heard something very interesting on the uh all in podcast where they showed a chart showing demonstrating that France has uh the government spending is at the same level as the communist countries of past.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_04: Meaning meaning if you look at um communist China, if you look at uh the USSR, in terms of the government spend as a percentage of their earnings, we are at the same level here in France as those uh communist countries of of years gone by.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_04: So what this shows is we are essentially a uh very, very socialist country with our spending.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_04: People don't realise quite how much our spending is on everything from welfare to unemployment benefits to all these sorts of things.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_04: And it's it's crazy the amount of money that is spent in this country.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_04: Mm some people might say wasted, but certainly spent on all of these things.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_04: So the only way to to claw this back is to basically get everyone back to work, essentially, back into job, because our unemployment uh our unemployment rate in France is very high, especially amongst the youth.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_04: So if you look at uh youth unemployment, what is it, 20%?
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_04: Nearing 20%.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_04: When we have uh globally you talk or for colour, yeah in France.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_08: I'm talking about in France.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_08: I would say 10.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_08: No, it's high it's higher than that because can you check it out?
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_08: What are we checking?
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_08: The uh rate of unemployment?
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_08: For youth or for in total?
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_08: No, no, youth.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_04: Youth unemployment rate at employment.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_04: Because the the official stats for unemployment here in France is about seven percent.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_04: It's hovering at six point eight, something like that percent, which is already high.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_04: Especially when you have a lot of people immigrating into the country, that's only going to add to uh to that rate, obviously.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_04: And I think the government probably uh manages to uh massage that rate down.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_04: So that's not the real rate, it's probably higher.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_04: And then when you look at uh the unemployment rate amongst the youth, youth meaning anyone below 25, roughly, it's obviously higher.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_04: It's higher than the average, obviously.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_04: So if you um the first thing is that the reason these people can exist and and and live and breathe and have uh you know have food on the table is because the government spends a lot of money on it.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_04: And in the UK, I heard uh Jacob Reese Marg saying that there are six million people in the UK.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm I'm I'm saying this because it's going to apply to France as well.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_04: There are six million people in the UK who would be better off on uh unemployment benefits than actually working.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's a whole point on inference also.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_04: And in France, that is definitely the case.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_04: So if you look at the the uh minimum wage in France, which is called the SMEC in France, Nico, what is it?
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_04: 1,200 euros, something like this.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, it's just under 1,300 euros per month net net.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_04: If you are And you pay no tax on it at all.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_04: No, but anyway in France you don't pay tax until you reach a certain level of income and you're way off that.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_04: Which is a problem.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_04: We we should talk about this.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_04: It's another ratio.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_03: So it's 21.6% for ages 15 to 24.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_03: Overall unemployment rate 8.3%.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_04: So what did I say?
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_04: 20%, right?
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_04: For youth unemployment.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's unbelievable.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_04: It's huge.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_04: You got one in five young people who ought to be working or doing something, and they're not.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_04: And they're receiving benefits.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_04: And some of those, you take some of those people, their parents will be receiving benefits as well.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_04: So and and the social house.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_04: So in France, you can get a social house where you're paying a nominal uh fee.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_04: Now uh I I know this for a fact because I we my my extended family have people who are uh refugees who are living in the house and the government pays for them.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_04: And it's quite a nice apartment.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_04: And you've got um you have uh so you get that basically for free.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_04: You pay a nominal amount, so it's like a hundred per month for an apartment that might cost eight hundred a month, for example.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_04: Then you have uh you get money per kid.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_04: Now everyone in France gets money per kid, right?
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_04: You get it, Nico, I get it.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_04: On a monthly basis, yeah.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_04: On a monthly basis, everyone gets it.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_04: Which I when I arrived in France, I thought this is this is insane.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's good no, it's fine if it's encouraging uh you know to have more children, right?
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_03: I think that that is the idea is to get to three kids.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know for you, but we we with my wife we made a pretty good income, to be honest, compared to the rest of the people, but and we still get yeah 150 euro per month.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_08: I mean it's huge.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_08: Per child.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_08: No, no, for two child, but for two children.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_08: So so but still, I mean I don't need I don't need three.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_04: We we have three, we get more than that because a my income is less than yours, plus and they're younger, and they're uh they're younger, and we have three of them.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_04: So we I mean so there's that, and then you get unemployment benefit on top of that.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_04: So it means if you're on minimum wage, let's say you're a family of two adults and let's say two kids or three kids, you're probably better off not working because you can sit at home, you get a social house for a start, all your medical stuff is free, otherwise you have to start paying for it.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_04: Your transportation, public transportation is free.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_04: You uh you get money to go on holiday.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_04: And the you know, one of the the most fabulous things in France is if you're unemployed.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_04: Unemployed, yeah.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_04: You have unemployed people who are unemployed, long-term unemployed, they get holiday.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_04: So you if you're unemployed, let's holiday from your unemployment.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_04: Holiday from your unemployment.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_04: And you have to register that holiday.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_04: So when you're unemployed, you uh you call the you call the people, the people who take care of you know the state.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_04: Then you have five weeks.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_04: And you have five weeks' holiday.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_09: So essentially, you have a job, housing's taken care of, medical's taken care of, and you get five weeks vacation.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_09: And you get five weeks.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_09: How long is that sustainable?
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_09: I mean, it's not sustainable.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_04: We are the end of the yeah, we are seeing it in the streets.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_04: It's uh it all in the end of the day, probably comes down to a lot of people.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_03: And the government is telling you to be prepared for something that we don't know.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_08: Those people get also extra money for Christmas.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, you get bonuses.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_08: Bonuses for when you go back to school.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_04: Back to school bonuses.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_08: Why would you worry the for the new year?
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_08: It's always something.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_04: What actually happens though is that the these people, you know, part of that 20% unemployment, some of them are working, but they're just working off the books.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_04: Off the books.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_09: So there's a lot of ruin that uh setup.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_04: So it's it's the the real stat is probably not 21%.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_04: It's probably, I don't know, 15% or something like that, because the other guys are actually working.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_04: So it's better, it's you know, it honestly for a lot of people, it would be better to not have a job, get the money coming in from the government, which isn't doesn't it's about a thousand or thousand one hundred, so it doesn't quite match the thousand three hundred you would get if one of the two adults was out working, but it's not far off.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_04: Means you don't have to get up and go to work.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_04: Plus, you can go and get we jobs on the side, right?
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_04: Earning money, you know, cleaning, yeah, cooking for someone, working in a garage, working in um electrician, electrician, pool boy, swimming pool boy, uh Portuguese pool boy.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_04: You could do all of those things.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_03: Why does it have to be Portuguese?
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_04: Because in my house it's a Portuguese pool boy, in other words, it's my but also the thing is a lot of things.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_08: It's my wife's fact.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know the numbers, maybe we can check it out.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_08: But uh fact check that a lot of those people don't even live in France because the system is yeah, you can declare all your unemployment fair and stuff online.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_08: So you can be in Algeria or Morocco or wherever you are.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, so you live in the other country until you get caught, and even when you get caught, you come back to France and you can ask for more again and it's a vicious circle.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_08: It's never one sustainable.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, I find out that here in France, if you're on unemployment benefit and you're receiving all these benefits that we talk about, like money for kids, the the bonuses and unemployment, but you can have that sent to a foreign bank account in a foreign country.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_04: I mean that is magic.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, at what point does France look at itself and go, hold on, guys?
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_04: Because if you look at the election that's coming up, because we're gonna cover this, right, in the next six months, you look at the election coming up, the two main contenders for this election, the two main parties contending for this who are who look like they might win, neither one of those two will go anywhere near tackling this.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, also on the back of everyone who's tried and failed, right?
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_04: I mean No, but they they're not gonna go any no one's tried to tackle this.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_04: Why?
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_04: Because if you try and approach this election going, we're gonna sort this particular issue out, no one's gonna vote for you.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you're gonna lose so much.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_03: But the money's gonna be.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_03: No, but they did.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_03: They did they have tried now?
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_03: No, they've tried with regards to the pension age.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but that's different.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's all different.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_03: No, but it's all linked into what's going into the economy.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_03: If you increase that, you've got two years of the city.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe yeah, you're right.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_03: You're right.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_08: You're right.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_08: The overall excuse also for politics not to touch it is there is so much money that goes away from rich people, tax evasion and stuff like this.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_08: Like it's they say it's a hundredfold, a hundred more times more money going than uh uh those uh unemployment fare and stuff.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_08: So they say we will not touch it, we will attack the rich and get the money back.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_08: So is it it's it's always one or the other?
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_08: You can be both, you know.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_08: But it's true.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_08: I don't want the money to go away from the rich people.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_08: I want it back, of course.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_08: Aren't they taxed at the 74%?
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but Nicodemor don't don't you think that this this election that we're gonna have in in April and then in May the is could be characterized by saying this is going to be left-wing populism versus right wing populism.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_04: Of course, 100%.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_04: This is all that's going on, and the systemic, fundamental, underlying issues that the the some of which we've described today will never be tackled because no one's no one's gonna go near them because you're not gonna get any votes.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_08: It's just maybe then until yeah, until they are until something elected, yeah.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_08: And they change the uh the thing.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_04: That's why whoever gets elected, uh it's just gonna go, it's it's not gonna go very well because the the systemic fundamental problems will never be tackled.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_09: Austerity measures, right?
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_09: That Greece tried.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_09: Which will put me up to a nine, by the way, if uh France tries austerity.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_09: Austerity, you're absolutely right.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna we're on DEF CON 1 if if uh if that happens.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_04: I'm out.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_04: I totally agree.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, we're gonna be covering this uh all things, what it means to be French, the glory of France, and it's worth remembering that we do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_03: And on that note, I think it's only just and fair to play how the Maceas should be sung, and this is against New Zealand in the autumn national series last year.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_03: Have a listen, and thanks for listening.