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Turn Dead Air into Epic Stories: Radio Chatter Mobile App for Jeeps, GMRS and Campfires iOS, Android · Jeep Talk Show

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Audio boys and girls is time for another
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Jeep talk show interview. You guys have
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been missing these
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say things haven't you?
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I'll remind anybody maybe
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he's new and not aware of this
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I was actually I went into the hospital
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on my birthday in September and
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Had surgery the very next day. It was a
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gallbladder and of course everybody think
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everybody knows somebody's
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had a gallbladder removed
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Unfortunately, mines need
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to be tended to since 2013
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I think so it finally said hey man
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I'm out of here and it literally died got
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gangrene and seps sepsis
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So if you've got a gallbladder that you
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know, you're having a
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problem with, you know
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You got a little pain ever so often not
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real bad this little pain
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ever so often it goes away
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You know, why do I want to go in the
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hospital and spend all
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that much money? Well
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after a week in the hospital and
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Minus one organ didn't
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change my weight though
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I mean if you're gonna have removed stuff
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from your body like where you'd be a
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little way a little less, right?
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So
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We've been amiss on getting interviews
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Paul. I certainly appreciate you being
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here for us so we can
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Get back at these interviews interviews
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always fun for me. I get
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to ask a bunch of questions
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So hopefully this will be good one for
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you. And of course you've been on on the
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show once before so I
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appreciate you being back
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so Paul has been an outdoor enthusiast
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his whole life and in 2023 hand his wife
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co-founded radio chatter a
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conversation starter game for
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Radio chatter remained a side hustle
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while they both held down
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full jobs full-time jobs
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That was until spring of 2025 when Paul
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decided to leave
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corporate America to pursue
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entrepreneurship after exploring several
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opportunities Paul has
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focused on his efforts to
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Continuing to build radio chatter and
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supporting the community
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since Paul was on the podcast
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Last radio chatter has launched a mobile
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app version of their game
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for both Apple and Android
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You know that this that just sounds like
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to me the thing that you would do
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I mean that having the paper
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cards and stuff is nice and
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And you can store them in the in your
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Jeep in the glove compartment or really
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any vehicle that you
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that you take trips on
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With with another person and I guess you
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don't even have to have
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another person if you use GMRS radios
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In your I can well imagine that and we
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may have talked about this last time that
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if you're you know, two three five
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Jeeps motoring along and
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Especially if it's a brand new GMRS
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radio, you want to use the thing
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Yeah, got it. So give the folks the the
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Reader's Digest summary of radio chatter
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that are not aware of it. What is it? And
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what do you do with it?
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Yeah, absolutely. So the concept is
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simple. Um, you know, we we found that
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when we would go on group trips
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We'd spend a lot of time in
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the vehicle to get to the place
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we wanted to meet with
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friends or maybe strangers and
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Then you jump back in your vehicle and
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you go wheeling and it's like well
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We came all this way down here to be with
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people and then we jump back in our
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vehicle, which is great
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That's part of the the hobby whether
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you're you know, hitting the trails rock
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crawling overlanding
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camping, whatever it may be and
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But there's always
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downtime on these trips
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whether you're on a long stretch of
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gravel or pavement or whatever and we
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just found that the trips were more
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enjoyable when people
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Were chatting on the radios
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But you don't always know what to say or
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maybe you just I don't know
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Maybe you're just kind of zoning out or
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what have you and so my wife Bethany
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started writing down
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some questions to start
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Asking on the radio and we just found it
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really engaged the groups much better
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And so people said you should you know
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make something out of
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this so we made a game
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And when we say game, it's just a deck of
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playing cards normal playing cards with
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conversation starter
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questions that are all related to
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We call it adventuring. It could be
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off-roading camping overlanding, etc
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So are you familiar familiar? What is it
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the cricket phone that they they make for
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old people where the yeah
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The buttons are really big and every time
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the screen is really big. Are you guys
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gonna come up with a cricket ish?
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cards, so
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With the launch of the the mobile app. I
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have my tablet here. It's pretty big
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So if you got that, I mean you don't have
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to mount that but yeah, that's it. That's
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pretty big on a tablet
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So because you know the older the older
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folks like myself, you know
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This is you have a wreck that's trying to
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read the question and people are going
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people are saying get to it, man
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so
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These are questions that your wife came
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up with but you have different categories
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of questions, don't you? Yeah
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So within the game, so the we really have
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two products. The one is
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just we call radio chatter
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It's just the the
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normal deck of playing cards
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Within it there we focused a lot on
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Advice
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Mainly that there was like a kind of a
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balance between the questions that my
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wife likes she kind of likes the
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Challenging questions to make you think
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would you rather do this or this?
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I like the learning or storytelling and
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so we kind of blended
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those within the game
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And then we had a lot of people ask us.
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Hey, can you could you
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create like a adult only version?
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Oh, and that's where we talked. I think
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we were talking about this last time, but
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that's where we came up with after dark
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This is we call this an expansion pack,
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but there's no actual
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There's no actual like cards on it like a
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like a deck of playing cards
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But this is just 18 cards really intended
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for the campfire supposed to get you
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know, people really loose and
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how many people can you fit?
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in a tent by the way in a tent
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I don't know the answer to that question,
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you know, you're
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asking these questions. Yeah
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Yeah, how many people
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have you fit in your tent?
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Yeah
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So, let me ask you this and and I think
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you're you're sharp enough to understand
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why this would be a warning sign
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But or was one of the
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questions your wife came up with?
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Yeah, if if your wife died, how long
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would it be before you remarried? No
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I think her question was more if I pushed
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my husband out of the door
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Of the vehicle. Yeah, how quickly could I
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find you know someone to take over his
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his role and put him
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in the passenger seat?
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Cuz she'd probably start she'd drive
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more. Oh, which we do
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The cards sometimes I mean, I think of
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the spouse is that your wife
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is the one reading the cards
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Yeah
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so I I would say we do a we're probably
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5050 more when it comes to trail driving
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if it's like long pavement
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Like I don't mind driving like I'll
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listen to radio and
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she'll do other things
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But when it comes to
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actually hitting the trails
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We we have a pretty good balance. Um, you
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know, I think when we
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started in this hobby
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I had the interest in this even though
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she grew up camping just like me
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I had more of the the off-roading
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interest and so as we were kind of
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getting into it and learning
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I think she just let me kind of do it.
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But as we got comfortable
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with it, she's like, okay my turn
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And you know, we have Drummond Island
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here in Michigan. It's a good technical
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trails throughout the island
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So we've gone up there and
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and she's done all day there
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We went to wind rock to like again to
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like let her kind of
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experience the vehicle
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And I'm actually when rock was scary for
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her. I think Drummond Island is a little
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a little less less technical
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From what I've heard because we've got
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several guys in the the Jeep talk show
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family that talk about
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drumming and go to drumming
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That I think I think it was just a few
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months ago when they went. Yeah. Yeah
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drumming. I think there it's more. Um
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Depending on your vehicle there could be
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more risk to your vehicle, but like wind
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rock I was surprised
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Not only risk to your vehicle in terms of
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some of the obstacles
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But you know, there were some obstacles
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right on the side of cliffs, you know
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Like that you just didn't expect there
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like I did not expect that going there
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You're like I expect that in Colorado and
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Utah and things like that
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But not I didn't expect it there
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And so I think we did get to a point
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where she's like we were really off
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Gamer and she's like I'm ready to hand
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it. Well, you have to you
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have to take a take a break
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Sometimes too because it's like, you
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know, it's just like you're you're
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hanging on for dear life in your head
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And it's just like, you know that you
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just really have to just relax
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And I don't know that me is me driving
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relaxes my wife. Actually, I think that
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her driving is more
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relaxing to her than me
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Oh it and we found I mean, I think most
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people figure this like it's
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always worse being the passenger
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You're the closest to the and no control.
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You're out of control, right?
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So like it's you you're always as the
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driver you're always more calm cuz you're
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like, I feel I know what I'm doing
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I feel like I'm in control. So
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But yeah, it's yeah
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It's like anything sometimes you get in
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your head and you need to take a break
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and get out of your head
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Otherwise you start making mistakes
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So it's good to have her as a driver too
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because then we can bounce back and forth
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as we're comfortable and it's been good
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So in a you know, you have a the the the
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radio chatter cards the
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physical cards on the the main ones
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Not the adult ones but the main ones you
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can use those as playing cards as well.
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Right? Yeah, absolutely
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So is there there's there more than 52 or
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is it do you keep that to a 52 deck?
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So right now we just have it for 52 and
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then the Joker cards are just like
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playing you could you know
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Write your own cards if you wanted to but
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we started with just like
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the deck of playing cards 52
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You know, like there's so much
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equipment already in our setups, you know
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our rigs and so we wanted to be
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conscientious of space and weight and
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We know a lot of people do carry cards
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with them, you know, they play at night
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or what have you so like well
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We want to make sure we have
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dual purpose for for our game
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Now with the expansion of the mobile app
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and getting into the mobile app space
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There's a lot more opportunity to add
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Way more cards because now you're not
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physically playing
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cards with the mobile app
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So it's still have the you know, the
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conversation starter questions on them
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But the possibilities now to
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to add to the questions are
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Endless so like our mobile app, you know
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right now the physical cards. Yeah, sure
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you could write, you
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know a question on it
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But now our mobile app allows you to
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create your own questions and save them
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And then when we go into the future,
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we're looking at community cards
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So we'll be able to
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store them on the cloud
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We'll be able to see people's cards and
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then we can actually launch those cards,
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you know broadly to
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other other players as well
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So there's a technology with technology
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in the mobile space, you know
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Opportunity for the this conversation
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starters is just getting started for us
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So I would think that
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coming up with just 52 questions
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On cards would be rather difficult to do.
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I mean you get started well
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Then then you start come up with some
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really crap tastic questions
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Yeah, we so when we first came up with
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the idea we you know
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We probably came up
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with a dozen questions
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And then we were a good eight to ten
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hours away when we from our house when we
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came up with this concept
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That was lucky. Yeah, so we drive home
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This was like it kept us awake it kept us
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engaged and I think we got
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over 200 ideas for question
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So now who is the one coming up with
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them? Was it you and
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her? I mean the majority
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Yeah, really she she
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started probably with the most
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Like she just really kept going and kept
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going and I just kept she
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was just writing them down
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She's doing her thing and then I started
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asking questions and then
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all of a sudden my mind started
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Yeah, as soon as she
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started that groove. Yeah, exactly
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So then what really became hard was now
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narrowing that back down to 52
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Oh, yeah, and so that
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that was a challenge
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But now so, you know, we talked a little
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bit about expansion packs
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or where we can go with this
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We started grouping some cards into
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different themes like these would you
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rather cards or gear had specific cards?
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You know like so we're like, okay, we can
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start pulling some of these out and
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create just expansion packs
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on that that topic that theme
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So that's what we're looking looking to
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do and the mobile Apple probably a good
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platform for that because you can say hey
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I'm interested in these 20, you know more
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technical questions about gear and the
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mechanics of the vehicle etc
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Or I want some about books or you know
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travel or whatever it may be right?
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So on the the app
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Obviously the app is not free because
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that we kind of killed the business
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But it is available on
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both Android and Apple the iOS
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Stuff so I would assume it's just in the
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the appropriate Google
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Store Apple Apple Store. Yeah
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Search radio chatter now you'll find it
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Right now what we have it
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is it's a simple one-time
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499 to purchase the app
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and so
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What I'm gonna be releasing here within
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the next week is a new update to allow
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you to try it before you buy it
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No, you know, that's a very common thing.
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It's not intended to be I'll say a very
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useful app in the trial
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You know, you just get a couple cards
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You can create a couple of your own just
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to kind of get a feel for it
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Right, like yes, we provide screenshots
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and things like that
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But you're like, well, is it really worth
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the 499 or am I gonna waste my money?
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Right, it's not a huge steep
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You know, we've all
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bought things that are useless
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So I wanted to at least people be able to
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thumb through it see the interface know
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that it actually works
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It's a nice clean app
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So that'll be launching here soon so
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people can try it for free and then just
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in app purchase for 499
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What we're looking to do in the future
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And we haven't figured this all out
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So I'm open for people's feedback is
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probably have two different models you
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can either just buy the flat game
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In-app expansion packs just you know, you
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just want to kind of not everybody's a
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subscription based person
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You just want to kind of own it or we may
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offer like a subscription base just again
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cheap fee for the year
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So then we'll cloud store all your custom
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questions. You'll have access to all the
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you know available expansion packs
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Etc. So we're looking at kind of doing
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the dual model for whatever works best
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for for people I can see
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Some people might like to have especially
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when you're you're not in range of I mean
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you may have all the
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questions loaded in the app
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I don't know if it's internet connected
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or not, but I could very it's very just
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to answer that real quick
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That's an important piece for like what
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we do, right? So the
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architecture of the app is very much
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offline
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And so everything stored on the app right
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now because there's not it's you know,
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it's 52 questions
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plus whatever you create
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It's pretty low from
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a storage perspective
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So then the goal architecture
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even with cloud in the future
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It will still be everything remains on
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the physical device and then it just
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sinks when there is an
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internet connectivity
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So it's always going to be offline first.
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That's very important in our space
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So the direction I was going here was I
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can see especially if
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you want to play cards
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That it might be to your advantage to
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have not only the app
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but also to the cards
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What are you looking at something where
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when you go to buy the app?
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You can also purchase the cards and in
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the capture the name and address and then
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yeah, you know you get you get
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Instant gratification, but now you got a
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set of cards come in and
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our two sets or you know
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Do being how many vehicles you have?
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Yeah, you got you got it
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So we have two different things that
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we're working on so right now, you know,
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if you buy the physical game
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You'll get an email from us and and how
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we're doing right now is we're just
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trying to get more
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people to review our products
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Because reviews are go a
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long ways with small businesses
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So if you get a review if you buy our
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physical product and do a review we'll
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send you a free version of the mobile app
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And so the mobile app so we don't we
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don't have the reciprocal right now
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But what we do is in the mobile app, it
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looks like the card still
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Oh, that's good. And so that way it's
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kind of like oh, that's
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interesting recognition, too
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Yeah, and when you get when you go
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through all the cards, there's like one
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little notification says, you know
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You've made it through all the cards
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check out our website for the physical
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product or click here to
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recycle through the cars
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And we'll randomly go through again. So
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you've reached the end of the internet
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Reminder that we have a physical product.
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We'd love to have you
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purchase as well. Right?
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Yeah, so and I can see that did be at a
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big advantage to that also to cuz I mean
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Batteries on phones get low. I mean
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everybody charges in the vehicle, but
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sometimes things happen
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It would still be nice and also to it'd
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be nice when you're
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charging your phone at night
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You know sitting around the campfire that
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you can always use the cards. So let me
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ask you this you meant
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you mentioned about custom
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questions and stuff that people use on
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the app is there a thing in there where
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There's a checkbox or something that says
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these can be used by radio chatter for
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you know cards and questions and stuff
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Cuz I could think that would be be a
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wonderful way not only
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for you guys to come up with
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questions you wouldn't normally think
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about but also to a way to kind of
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People going oh, that's my question, you
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know, exactly you got it so that we will
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that that's not an option yet
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The questions on the current app are only
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stored on your physical device. There's
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actually no cloud backup
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So if you've got a new phone and you
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wiped it, you're gonna
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lose your custom questions
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You'd only have ours. So that's
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definitely in the works to
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get that I'll say it fixed
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But yeah community based cards allowing
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cards to be shared with the community
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You know and how we do that. We're trying
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to figure that out, but that's a big one
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Just thumbing up and thumbing down cards
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like you're listening to a song
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That's huge for us to see like like we
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read these questions all the time
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So there's definitely questions in here
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that are our least favorite because we're
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like that just doesn't
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resonate with us anymore
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You know whatever so we'd like to see
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that from people as well
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So if we see someone thumbing down a
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card, well, then maybe
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we'll take it out of the app
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And the next time we physically print the
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product maybe we'll change
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the question on that card. So
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It's just amazing the feedback you can
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get when you have the digital option
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Because the physical option especially at
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the events we go to and we
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physically sell it to someone
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We may never talk to them again. We don't
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have their contact
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information. We don't know who they are
17:47
So we only know when we get the website
17:49
orders. Can we actually,
17:50
you know engage with people?
17:52
So it's an interesting time to be able to
17:54
allow that and do the things just like
17:56
you're you're suggesting
17:57
so on the the stock talking about
18:01
interaction, do you guys accept
18:03
Questions for cards and if so, how did
18:06
how do they do that? Yeah
18:08
So most people have just done it at
18:10
physical events. They've talked to us
18:12
I don't think anyone submitted you have
18:14
to write down everything they say
18:16
I mean you could you don't want to you
18:17
don't want to appear like it now that's
18:18
that's bullshit. I don't need that
18:21
I think we wrote them down. I actually
18:24
just I had some sticky notes sitting on
18:26
my cork board right here
18:28
From an event last year we went to where
18:30
people were writing some stuff down
18:31
I think we had like a giveaway like give
18:33
us some questions you like and
18:35
So I was actually going through we have a
18:37
list of potential questions in the future
18:39
and I was writing them
18:40
down and like it's so
18:42
Cool not only to have somebody come up
18:44
and talk to you, but
18:45
to give you suggestions
18:46
I mean, oh, yeah, it's not just like the
18:48
the crap I come up with. I mean literal
18:52
Actually good questions
18:54
Then it's it's so neat that you're
18:55
getting lots of them. So
18:57
What event what events have you been to I
19:00
mean, do you did you go to
19:01
great smoky you mentioned?
19:03
God, what was it when thinking the yeah
19:06
with the wind rock that I figured you
19:07
went that's where you went there
19:08
We just went there. Yeah, and they did
19:10
carry and they actually carried our
19:12
product for a short time
19:13
I don't think they're I think they're out
19:14
of the inventory now
19:15
But so what's funny is we started so like
19:19
last year around the time that we were on
19:20
the podcast. We went to more Expo and
19:24
It was that and that was last April and
19:27
then soon after that our
19:29
Life's and works just got busy and we
19:31
really radio chatter took a backseat
19:33
So we didn't do a ton of events last year
19:35
in terms of being a vendor and we didn't
19:38
want to spend our time off
19:40
from our vacation time
19:42
going and standing on
19:43
Concrete trying to sell a game like that
19:46
right that it would have
19:47
defeated the purpose, right?
19:48
So now with me stepping out of a normal
19:52
nine-to-five and being able to do this
19:54
Looking next year into some more
19:55
potential events to go to
19:58
We won't be at we won't be able to make
20:00
it to more this year
20:00
But there's definitely some more events
20:02
We're looking at most of the time just
20:04
because travel is hard being from
20:06
Michigan to get to all these events
20:08
We provide products as giveaways and
20:10
raffles to try to get our name out there
20:12
and not physically sell
20:14
But we have partners that sell our
20:16
product like all roads taken as a partner
20:18
of ours and they sell our product
20:20
As a wholesaler at some of the events
20:22
So trying to reach out and make
20:24
partnerships to where our product kind of
20:26
fits with the theme of another, you know
20:29
Vendor is always of interest to us
20:31
because we don't have enough product to
20:33
go and be a whole booth of games
20:35
You know, it's one or two products and
20:38
some some merch like hats. Mm-hmm
20:40
So I forgot to mention early in the the
20:43
interview. The website
20:44
is radio chatter game calm
20:47
Did I get that right? Cuz I don't my
20:49
glasses on so it's a little blurry
20:51
Radio chatter game calm go over there and
20:53
check it out. You can see more
20:55
about what we're talking about
20:56
of course, if you're
20:56
watching this interview on
20:59
YouTube rumble or
21:02
Spotify then you can see because
21:07
You've held the the cards and stuff up
21:09
several times. All right, so
21:12
That sounds really good
21:14
The I think the app is just a no-brainer
21:15
was the app something
21:16
that you had thought of
21:18
Prior did it come to you after doing the
21:20
cards? Yeah, it's it came
21:23
to us after doing the cards
21:25
I think because the
21:28
Actually, I don't I can't actually say
21:30
why I think it was more like we just for
21:32
physically writing the cards down
21:33
We're like, well if we make this a game
21:34
and you think I know we talked before
21:37
this about, you know gaming
21:38
But we thought of physical games
21:40
And so I think it was natural for us to
21:42
just go to a physical game
21:45
And also like my wife and I we've always
21:47
had conversation starters with us
21:50
We've traveled with them before this like
21:52
to us. This wasn't a new idea like
21:54
conversation starters
21:55
are out there now ours are
21:57
Specific to off-roading and overlanding
22:00
specific but so we just in
22:02
our head had the physical
22:04
Now what's funny is as soon as we had the
22:07
physical product one of the first
22:09
Partners of ours was Midland because they
22:12
make radios sure and that
22:14
you know, they love our product
22:15
we love theirs it works really well
22:16
together and we had sent
22:18
out some demos to them and
22:20
The first event one of them went to they
22:22
left it at home and
22:23
they said you have a mobile
22:25
Because I forgot the game, you know, and
22:28
and so we've had that you know
22:29
We've had different people
22:30
that have had different reasons
22:31
They said you should make this a mobile
22:32
app and so a combination of me leaving my
22:36
job to work on this full-time
22:38
And the advancement of AI to help so I've
22:41
been in software my much of my career
22:43
But I haven't really coded in 15 20 years
22:46
myself. I've been around it
22:48
I've had you know,
22:49
software developers work for me
22:50
So I've seen it but I haven't literally
22:52
coded in a long time
22:53
and so with AI advancement
22:55
I've been able to
22:57
develop this all by myself
22:58
so so I think it's a kind of combination
23:01
of time and technology and the need is
23:03
all kind of came together and
23:06
It's it's been a it's
23:07
been a good experience
23:09
So the
23:11
Yeah, I mean the application this sounds
23:14
like a no-brainer and that's one
23:16
I was thinking maybe you were doing the
23:17
handhelds because that's
23:18
what you had it had in mind
23:21
so
23:22
Radio chatter. It's basically a game that
23:24
you take with you whether it's on the app
23:27
or a box of cards in your vehicle and
23:31
I like the idea of actually having the
23:33
physical cards because you can it's more
23:36
than just asking questions
23:38
I mean, I guess you
23:39
could come up with some
23:41
Variation of go fish based on the if you
23:44
if you answer the
23:44
question correctly or not
23:46
Yeah, and are these questions are some
23:48
are all these questions? I write a wrong
23:50
answer or is it just conversation
23:53
Yeah, you got it. Yeah, it's it's
23:55
intended to be a conversation
23:58
So we actually look the questions don't
24:00
say and why on them. We just assume
24:02
you're gonna explain your answer
24:05
And so it's really to create
24:06
conversation. So one card can easily
24:11
You know drive 20 to 30 minutes of
24:13
conversation because it
24:14
spins the conversation
24:15
So if we talk about like what has been
24:17
your longest road trip you've ever taken
24:20
Well, you're gonna hear about everybody's
24:21
road trip and then someone's gonna say
24:23
they went to Denali and you're like
24:25
Oh, I've always wanted to go there. Tell
24:27
me more about that. So
24:28
like it can really stem
24:30
Now the other benefit that we've heard of
24:32
like the physical cards
24:33
We've had people say like kids love it
24:36
So the kids in the backseat you hand them
24:38
the deck of cards and they want to get
24:39
engaged on the radio as well and talk
24:41
To people and so now you're not handing
24:44
them the phone and then all of a sudden
24:45
they're grabbing YouTube
24:46
or whatever on your phone
24:47
Right, you're giving them a
24:47
physical card and they can
24:50
They can ask questions and then we've
24:52
seen someone just tagged us on Instagram
24:55
that they had a passenger plane
24:58
Go fish with with them or they might have
25:01
been playing war with
25:03
the kid in the backseat
25:04
So like that's that's part of the fun of
25:06
it is multi-use of like any deck of cards
25:08
Yeah, so I don't know where you were in I
25:12
mean the face it we never we never get we
25:15
never get exactly what we think
25:17
We should be getting I mean for many
25:19
years. I've said we should have
25:21
10,000 downloads per episode and you
25:23
know, is this what you have in your head?
25:25
But from when we last did the interview
25:27
with you to now have
25:29
things gotten bigger or they
25:32
Are they getting more along the lines? I
25:34
mean you quit your job. So
25:36
Either you did a dumb thing or things
25:38
have gotten better. Yeah, it's closer to
25:41
the dumb thing to be honest
25:44
So what it what it comes down to is like
25:46
and this is like advice for anyone that
25:49
wants to start a company or what?
25:50
What not right? It's a side hustle for a
25:53
reason. It's a hustle and
25:55
So we found that the business always
25:58
ebbed and flowed with the
25:59
time that we had to put into it
26:01
Now what has happened since like being on
26:04
the podcast and being on our other
26:05
podcast is the customer feedback
26:07
Continues to be really strong. So when we
26:08
go to events we sell a lot of product we
26:11
get a lot of good feedback
26:12
But we just couldn't go to many events
26:14
and we couldn't do much advertising or
26:16
afford much advertising. So
26:19
Essentially what happened was we started
26:21
saving for me to go into entrepreneurship
26:24
But we didn't know what that was gonna
26:25
be. We actually didn't plan when I left
26:27
my job back in April
26:28
I did not plan to work on radio chatter
26:30
full-time. I was looking at acquiring a
26:33
different small business and
26:36
Through that exercise over a few months
26:39
I was like well
26:39
I'm trying to buy a small business and be
26:41
an entrepreneur to create more time and
26:44
freedom to do more of what I want to
26:46
Do which I happen to own a company in
26:49
that space of what I like to do
26:51
So why don't I just go
26:51
spend the time and money?
26:53
I was gonna use to buy a business and
26:55
just put it into the business
26:57
Right and so that's
26:58
that's what I'm doing now
26:59
We're not really putting that all that
27:01
money into the business that would be
27:03
that would be foolish
27:04
But it's affording us the ability to only
27:08
have one income
27:09
versus a dual income family
27:11
And so it's just kind of extending our
27:13
Lifestyle so that way I can
27:15
try to build this into a company
27:17
So next year is gonna be a good year for
27:20
us because we have the time we have the
27:21
energy to put into it
27:23
So I can well imagine that this is
27:25
exciting for you not going to the job
27:27
that you've been at and
27:28
doing the thing you've been
27:29
Doing but whenever you
27:31
have a job that you go to
27:32
There's that that time killing where I'm
27:35
gonna go get me some coffee
27:37
And then I'm gonna talk to these guys and
27:39
then I want to talk to these guys and now
27:41
I'm gonna get some work done
27:42
And oh my god, it's 2 o'clock in the
27:43
afternoon. It's time for me to zone out
27:46
You don't get that whenever you're doing
27:48
your own business. No, you
27:49
don't but like what you get is
27:54
It's it's like it's just a different
27:56
experience. Oh, yeah
27:57
Definitely like, you know instead of like
28:00
going off and talking to somebody well
28:02
that actually does happen the other day
28:03
I was walked drop my son off at school
28:05
So I'm now the primary drop-off and pick
28:08
up a school primary person to run the
28:10
errands and pick up the
28:11
groceries and all that
28:12
Stuff right? Well, that's research on
28:14
your IRS taxes and stuff
28:17
Research that's right
28:18
I'm listening to podcasts during that
28:20
time and learning about how to run a
28:21
business and but yeah, no
28:22
I mean I was raking the yard, you know at
28:26
9 in the morning because I forgot they
28:27
were coming to pick up our leaves and
28:28
The neighbor came over and he were
28:30
helping and we're talking about our
28:32
businesses and different things like that
28:33
So there's there's it's just different,
28:36
you know, then than anything but it's a
28:38
different that I like
28:39
You know when I when I
28:40
left the corporate job
28:41
There's definitely a lot of people that
28:42
were like I could never do that
28:43
Like I like the the safety of knowing
28:46
where I'm going every day what I'm
28:47
working on, you know, the
28:48
targets the deadlines, etc
28:51
It's different doing it full-time by
28:53
yourself because there's no
28:54
one holding me accountable
28:56
I have to decide what I'm doing today
28:58
versus tomorrow. What are our goals, you
29:00
know, all that kind of stuff
29:01
And you have to be motivated. Otherwise,
29:03
you just go, you know
29:04
Netflix and chill all day. So
29:07
It's different but I I enjoy it
29:09
This is why I saved up to do this is this
29:11
is what I've always wanted to do and I'm
29:13
gonna give it a shot
29:14
So I I don't know you that well
29:17
We've talked a couple of times now
29:19
But I suspect you're a little shy and
29:21
asking because I'm sure what you would
29:23
like to do is have some
29:24
cards that were specific
29:25
Jeep talk show questions
29:27
That's a good one. What's the best Jeep
29:29
talk show for example?
29:32
You want you know with the mobile app
29:34
we're talking about sponsored cards as
29:35
well or that's just a card, you know
29:38
So like yeah, that's what another one
29:39
we're working on is, you
29:41
know for specific events
29:43
You know, maybe it's a Jeep Jamboree or
29:45
something if a sponsor
29:46
wanted to sponsor some cards
29:49
We could have an event code that you
29:51
could enter into the
29:51
app and it would unlock
29:53
Event specific cards and it could be you
29:56
know Jeep talk show, you know cards and
29:58
you unlocked 15 cards
30:01
For that specific event or something like
30:02
that. So so I'll note that
30:05
down already got you on the hook
30:07
That's really cool. That's really cool
30:08
I mean there's a wealth of ideas that you
30:11
could do with with these cards
30:15
So are you familiar with ham radio? I
30:18
Am I've never done it, but I'm familiar.
30:19
Yeah, so I'm thinking now this might be
30:22
Go against the the
30:23
conversation starter aspect things
30:25
But a lot of people want to study for the
30:27
test and especially if
30:29
you're traveling across country
30:30
What better place to do it now the the
30:32
spouse may not care
30:33
for ham radio questions
30:35
Yeah, and the FCC questions change like
30:38
every six months or something
30:39
So this might be just for app
30:41
But that might be a cool thing to do
30:43
where people could I mean and they don't
30:45
have to do it the entire trip
30:46
You could study a few questions and then
30:49
get back to the the fun side of things
30:51
Yeah, I haven't thought about it from the
30:53
study and perspective
30:53
We've had a few people buy it that are
30:56
also ham radio operators
30:58
Sure that have said like this would
30:59
actually be interesting
31:00
because you know, like
31:02
That that I'm not a
31:03
ham, you know operator
31:05
So maybe I'll get this wrong
31:07
But my understanding and talking to them
31:08
is a lot of them just
31:09
enjoy the conversation
31:10
You're talking into the International
31:12
Space Station or you're talking to
31:13
someone in, California
31:14
Or you know Europe or wherever you may be
31:16
and so like that is the
31:18
point to have a kind of yeah
31:20
Yeah, absolutely and you could use your
31:22
cards and you could use your cards while
31:24
you're talking to people on ham radio
31:26
I don't want to bore anybody everybody
31:29
with this, but I think it's really funny
31:31
I was this is back in like 2005 or
31:33
something and my by Jeep Cherokee
31:36
I've got a ham radio in it for HF HF is
31:39
the the frequency range that you use to
31:41
talk long distances and
31:44
I want to say I
31:46
Think it was the Ukraine. It was all
31:48
before the trouble started
31:49
But I had a very brief conversation from
31:52
my Cherokee driving to work
31:54
from
31:55
Houston to the Ukraine and I was telling
31:58
my youngest son because I was trying to
32:00
get him interested in ham radio and
32:03
I told him I said I spoke with somebody
32:04
in the Ukraine today
32:06
From from the Jeep and he he kind of
32:08
blinks a couple of times and he goes
32:11
through the internet. I said no
32:13
from my Jeep to his radio in the Ukraine
32:17
and back and it was like a concept like
32:20
So yeah, that'd be pretty cool though
32:23
That would be neat and I bet you
32:25
somebody's already used your cards and
32:26
having one of these conversations
32:28
Yeah, I bet we haven't heard that someone
32:31
has but I've heard of people saying oh
32:32
this this might be cool for you
32:34
know my ham group, you
32:35
know or something like that
32:36
yeah, they have nets which is a
32:38
collection of hams that get on a certain
32:40
frequency at a certain
32:41
time and I could I could
32:42
Well see that the the net control
32:44
operator might actually
32:45
start the net with let's
32:48
Let's ask a radio
32:49
chatter question. I mean
32:50
It lends into itself too because it's a
32:53
radio chatter. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You
32:55
got it. You got it. All right, so
32:58
The so you got the cards you got lots of
33:01
ideas as far as adding not only different
33:05
Different cards to the set but also to
33:08
the app which I think
33:09
the app is a great idea
33:10
And I think that one will probably be the
33:12
best for you because
33:13
it gives that instant
33:14
Oh, I want to get this and
33:16
maybe I'll get the cards later
33:17
But it also too from a
33:18
manufacturing standpoint
33:21
I mean, how nice is it to just a rubber
33:23
stamp, you know the
33:24
app because it's you know
33:25
It's not like something you have to do
33:27
that you have to update
33:28
But I would assume you do do updates and
33:30
I can see that maybe for I don't know 50
33:33
cents a dollar or something
33:34
You could do add-on packs
33:36
Where people could do that and in the
33:39
mobile app, so we've we've
33:41
shipped our physical product to
33:45
South Africa the UK Canada and Australia
33:50
Now that shipping is expensive, you know,
33:52
so orders like from Australia
33:54
We've had people order a you know, $15
33:57
deck of cards with $30 shipment. Yeah
34:00
It's insane, right? So but it's unique
34:03
and so people are willing
34:04
to do certain unique things
34:05
But the mobile app now
34:07
it has been downloaded in
34:10
Australia a few times
34:12
and so
34:13
The international is what the app also
34:16
really opens up for us
34:18
Because there's no shipping so I'm
34:21
excited about that and moving some of our
34:24
questions to regional specific questions
34:26
So one of the things we didn't think of
34:28
when we created the game was one of the
34:30
questions is is like
34:31
What's the your favorite place
34:32
to travel in your home state?
34:34
Well, we use the term
34:35
state and so it's like oh, well
34:37
We could change that card regionally now
34:39
on the app and say, you know, if the
34:41
region of download is, you know, Canada
34:45
It's gonna say Providence
34:46
now or something like that
34:47
So so I think that I don't know as a
34:49
software guy myself I get
34:51
excited over that kind of stuff
34:52
So I think it's cool and it unlocks a lot
34:55
of potential, you know globally
34:57
So again, I kind of getting back to the
34:59
situation where I mean you can always
35:01
Everybody's got a phone so you can use a
35:03
phone but like like your
35:05
Whether it's a ham radio thing or any
35:07
kind of community thing communication
35:08
things you have going on
35:09
You may be sitting at
35:10
your desk at your house
35:13
Have you considered making a an app for a
35:17
PC or an animal laptop or whatever so
35:20
that you could actually call it up?
35:21
And and it goes kind of goes back to the
35:23
same thing with being able to read the
35:24
things as you get older
35:26
Yeah, no, I have I have not that now we
35:29
did make it on the iPad which gives you
35:30
like if you have dual devices
35:32
But not a physical website or things like
35:33
that. That's an interesting interesting
35:35
one. We have thought about yet
35:36
Well, it could just be an actual program,
35:38
you know, the thing that everybody called
35:41
it before the Apple thing got
35:44
Thing it pisses me off. They call it apps
35:46
on the PC. It's not a
35:47
stinking app. It's a program damn it
35:50
Yeah, yeah, everyone got used to the app
35:52
term so everyone needs apps now
35:54
Yeah, and then they
35:55
came out with you know
35:57
Windows was neat because you had multiple
35:58
windows you could have multiple things up
36:00
on the screen at the same time
36:01
And then they started coming out with
36:03
full screen everything and it's like I
36:05
don't want full screen
36:06
Why why but anyway, but I'm so I started
36:10
the computer stuff like in
36:12
1981
36:13
TRS 80 model one was my first computer.
36:16
So I've gone through a lot of computer
36:18
changes in that time frame
36:20
So there's a lot of things like you kids
36:22
today. You don't know
36:23
All right
36:25
So let's see
36:26
Is there anything that you can think of
36:28
that we haven't touched on as far as the
36:30
cards go you you have the card?
36:31
They've got questions. Oh, I don't want
36:33
to reiterate reiterate this they're meant
36:35
as conversation starters
36:37
They're not meant to punish you by asking
36:39
you questions and you
36:40
haven't remember the answers
36:42
it's just a conversation starter and
36:45
They also are there's 52 of them on the
36:48
the deck that you could buy so you can
36:49
also use these well that 52
36:51
There's the Joker cards. It's like a it's
36:53
like a regular deck of playing cards, but
36:55
they have questions on them
36:57
And you can use this I think the primary
36:59
purpose was to use it on
37:00
the like on the radio or is it
37:03
Two people in the the vehicle that way or
37:06
maybe both. Yeah, exactly.
37:08
And what so what we found is
37:10
You know, we these we call these
37:11
questions very approachable
37:13
Like when we all get together like we're
37:15
always talking about what's the last
37:16
upgrade you did or what's the last right?
37:18
Thank you broke or whatever
37:20
Right. So these are much more broader in
37:22
the questions and the
37:23
storytelling and thing
37:24
We've had multiple people reach out and
37:26
say like I've been traveling with these
37:28
people for years and I've learned so much
37:31
You know from that from these questions
37:32
because it's about things that we don't
37:33
normally talk to it's
37:34
related to what we do
37:36
But it's phrased in a way that is more
37:37
approachable and opens
37:38
up different conversations
37:39
So, you know, that's what we went for and
37:41
that's what we're
37:42
shooting for and we found that
37:45
In the raid, you know over the radio well
37:48
driving in a convoy to and from trails or
37:50
where have you seems
37:52
to be the opportunity
37:53
You know like because once you're on the
37:55
trails, you're focused on the trails
37:56
You might be on the radio, but you're not
37:58
like hey, I'm bored someone,
37:59
you know, ask me a question
38:00
And so and then we also
38:02
found too it's really good
38:03
It is good for solo travelers because
38:05
then you can you're not you know
38:06
You're in the your vehicle by yourself
38:07
and you can talk to people, you know
38:09
I had her behind you but if you have a
38:10
passenger it and so does
38:12
the other people in your group
38:14
It gets them more engaged too. So that
38:16
way you're just not talking
38:16
to the people in your vehicle
38:18
It allows everyone to get
38:19
involved in the conversation
38:20
That was the goal but we know people use
38:23
them around the campfire, you know,
38:24
they'll play cards the last questions
38:27
we've seen multiple different uses and
38:30
So this it's like you were saying earlier
38:33
you were talking about that. I did this.
38:36
Yeah, that reminds me
38:37
I did this when I went to Denali and oh
38:38
you've been to Denali and
38:40
now now you're not on the cards
38:41
Exactly. It got it got the conversation
38:44
going and makes the
38:45
makes the trip shorter
38:47
basically, so
38:48
100% yep. All right. So
38:51
Yeah, I mean I see just a feature rich
38:53
environment here. We're doing this
38:55
How long have you been doing the radio
38:56
chatter stuff? When was the first time
38:58
you came up with the cards?
38:59
Yeah, it would have been we
39:01
came up with the idea in 2022
39:04
That was when it was on paper and then
39:06
2023 may of 2023 is when we physically
39:09
launched the product
39:10
and it's just kind of been
39:11
A fun side hustle sense
39:14
But now with you know
39:15
Like adding the mobile app and we have
39:17
some other products that we're looking at
39:19
doing other games that
39:20
aren't just conversation games
39:21
But are more adventure
39:23
off-road II themed games
39:26
You know, we're looking to it kind of
39:27
expand the brand and more of a I'll say a
39:31
more community enriching
39:34
Company like right where everybody has
39:36
their own communities. You got the Jeep
39:37
you have Jeep communities you have
39:38
off-road you have rock crawlers
39:40
Overlanders campers RVers. Everybody's
39:43
got different
39:43
communities or sub communities
39:45
And so what we want to do is help enrich
39:47
the communities you already
39:49
have by providing, you know
39:50
Other sorts other sources of
39:52
entertainment for when you're not
39:54
wheeling is really what we're going for
39:56
So I didn't mention this
39:57
to you before we got started
39:58
So if you need to take a moment and you
40:01
want to do this, could you read us a
40:03
couple of the questions?
40:04
Oh, absolutely a couple of the
40:05
conversation starters. So it just dawned
40:07
on me that people like okay, Tony
40:09
One of the questions are so, you know, we
40:12
can get a little more
40:13
information here. Yep. You got it
40:15
So let's see here cuz I
40:16
know I mentioned a few so
40:19
Let's see here and
40:21
really take your time. Yeah
40:25
So we have I'll give like I'll give I'm
40:27
trying to pick out different
40:28
Different types of questions, you know,
40:34
like we have because we talked about this
40:35
one a little bit earlier about how we
40:37
have different types of questions
40:39
One would be the I'd call this the more
40:42
technical of our questions
40:44
So what was your first upgrade to your
40:47
vehicle or your rig and
40:48
would you do it again?
40:49
Oh, yeah, it's a good one. I think we've
40:50
used that on our on our roundtable
40:54
Episodes because it's it's it's a good
40:56
one because there's sometimes people get
40:58
get off doing something
40:59
Simply because they saw it in social
41:01
media or whatever and they go. Well, that
41:03
was a bonehead move. I didn't need that
41:06
Yep, exactly. So like you have those then
41:09
we have just more fun
41:10
And these are like probably what the kids
41:11
like but like what's your
41:13
favorite road trip snack?
41:15
Oh, yeah, right and then what this always
41:17
leads to in all my experiences
41:20
The next gas station is a ton of junk
41:22
food. Oh, right. Of course somebody
41:24
mentions oatmeal cream pies or
41:27
Twinkies and people like oh my god, we
41:29
gotta stop let's stop and let's get them
41:31
or nerd clusters now
41:33
Like everyone's getting into nerd
41:34
clusters and that gets brought up and
41:36
then the next thing you know
41:36
I got a five pound bag of nerd clusters
41:38
in the truck. So so you're up in Michigan
41:40
So this probably means
41:41
nothing to you Beaver Nuggets
41:45
Is that that's from is that from Bucky's?
41:47
Yes, it is. Yeah, see I do
41:49
travel so I've been there
41:50
I don't know that I've
41:51
had them though. Yeah
41:52
They have good barbecue sandwiches.
41:54
They're not great, but they are great gas
41:57
station barbecue sandwiches
41:58
Yeah, I think I had
41:59
like one of their like
42:01
Chicken like
42:03
Breakfast sandwiches cuz I was there at
42:05
like 9 a.m. Or so. I
42:07
think I had like the chicken
42:08
I don't know one of my daughters just
42:10
pointing out because they were getting
42:11
ready to leave to go on a trip and I said
42:13
So if I was if it was me, I would stop at
42:16
the early in the morning
42:17
It was like 6 o'clock in the morning
42:18
I said I would stop at Bucky's and get me
42:20
a barbecue sandwich and I'd be very very
42:22
proud of you if you get a
42:23
Barbecue sandwich and go dad. It's it's 6
42:26
a.m. I don't think they have barbecue
42:27
sandwiches like all those
42:28
bastards. They should have
42:30
Actually have 24 7 barbecue
42:32
sandwiches. I always get one
42:34
So any other questions come to mind
42:36
there? Yeah, so another one
42:38
I just kind of grabbed that they get this
42:39
is this goes board of the more
42:40
storytelling. So what has
42:42
been your favorite adventure?
42:44
Oh, that's a good one. So again, we're
42:46
very like when you read the cards were
42:47
very purposeful on our words
42:49
So like favorite it doesn't mean biggest
42:52
doesn't necessarily
42:53
mean longest adventure
42:55
You know like one of ours like the recent
42:57
one that my wife and I always talk about
42:58
is we went to Bora Bora
43:00
November like that was not
43:02
overlanding wasn't off-roading
43:04
But it's one of the most beautiful places
43:06
we've been sure though
43:07
Like and so we talked about that and then
43:09
turns out there's a lot of people like I
43:10
thought about that before and how
43:11
Was that? Oh, absolutely, you know, so so
43:14
I guess you would stay away
43:15
from some negative questions
43:16
Like what's the the most expensive thing
43:19
that you've purchased or what was the
43:20
worst trip that you ever went on?
43:22
And it what was the you know,
43:23
how did you get out of jail?
43:25
We did
43:26
So we did not do anything we called them
43:28
like kind of the bad luck questions
43:31
Meaning we didn't do like a break, you
43:33
know broken down or things like that
43:36
We have said like what piece of gear has
43:39
been the biggest
43:40
disappointment to you. Yeah
43:42
You know because that also it's about
43:44
learning like well, you're saving people
43:46
money potentially
43:47
whenever you ask those questions
43:49
You got it. So but yeah
43:50
nothing like no bad karma questions
43:53
That's that's actually a potential
43:54
expansion pack we've
43:55
talked about is a bad karma
43:57
Yeah, and if you want to play it go for
43:58
it, but we hold no responsibility
44:00
you know some people like like hearing
44:02
about bad things and
44:04
Not because they want bad
44:05
things to happen to people
44:06
They want to learn and not have bad
44:08
things happen to them any
44:10
weather related questions
44:12
So we have not done weather related. I
44:15
don't think I don't
44:16
recall a weather related
44:18
Although some of these they could turn to
44:20
weather related. Sure
44:21
Safe travel, yeah good,
44:25
you know things like that
44:27
We do have like we've had we have some of
44:30
these are like more
44:31
trip specific questions
44:32
Meaning if you're on a trip with people
44:34
this is like, what do you
44:34
wish you would have brought?
44:37
Like right now what do you wish so we've
44:38
had rain jackets when it's been down
44:40
supposed to or no winter hat when the
44:43
mountains are colder than we expected
44:45
Yeah, you know like that so
44:46
some are trip trip specific
44:48
You can't pack for a trip because if you
44:51
do you're basically
44:52
loading the house into your Jeep
44:54
Yeah, you got a bit you got to balance it
44:57
so and then you know
44:58
We have a similar question that says what
45:00
do you always bring with you but never
45:02
use? Oh, yeah, perfect
45:03
There's some there's some obvious stuff.
45:05
Like there's there's some pieces of
45:06
recovery gear that maybe I haven't used
45:09
or it's been a long time
45:10
Since I've used but it's like you're
45:12
you're gonna still want to bring that
45:14
we're like my hammocks
45:16
That we bring every time but we never can
45:18
find two trees at the
45:19
right spot to mount it
45:20
so it's like we went from like carrying
45:22
two hammocks down to one hammock and
45:24
And actually we downgraded the hammocks
45:26
because of that question
45:27
I kept answering it the same time like my
45:29
hammocks my hammocks. I was like, I
45:30
should stop bringing my hammocks
45:31
Yeah, there's here's an advertising type
45:34
thing you could do best places to eat.
45:37
This would be a regional thing. Yeah
45:40
Because you could actually reach out to
45:42
the the restaurants and say, you know,
45:44
hey you could help a fella out
45:45
We're happy to direct people over there.
45:47
Yeah, that type of thing
45:49
because I mean it that means one of the
45:50
wonderful things about doing a trip is
45:53
finding a great places
45:54
to eat and I'm gonna I'm
45:55
gonna throw
45:57
Moab under the bus. They do not have good
46:00
restaurants in my lab
46:02
And that that is that's a pisser because
46:04
it's such a wonderful. Oh, and I'm sorry.
46:07
I just figured it out
46:08
It's so nice and wonderful there
46:09
They don't have to have good food because
46:11
you're gonna come for the scenery and buy
46:12
their crap. It's okay
46:14
It's just not like real
46:15
real good food type situation
46:17
And and that's the way I am is if I go
46:20
someplace I want to know where to go
46:22
This is where is the place that people
46:24
say you need to eat and
46:26
what's the best thing to get?
46:27
And of course somebody's gonna come in. I
46:29
mean, that's a hell of a conversation
46:30
because everybody's interested in food
46:33
And they're just gonna oh my god. I had
46:35
this hot dog it blah blah blah and yeah
46:38
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you did ask about
46:40
foods. We do have one
46:41
That's about like tips and tricks for
46:43
kind of meal planning
46:44
and prep. Oh, that's good
46:46
So yeah, and we talked about that one. We
46:49
were just out in Utah on
46:50
What my wife did on that trip that I was
46:53
really good was she pre-measured a lot of
46:55
the seasoning and oils
46:56
We were gonna use for the trip
46:57
So that way we didn't have to take a
46:59
bunch of oil and a bunch
47:00
of salt and a bunch of this
47:02
So she kind of
47:02
pre-made perfect for each meal
47:05
Yeah, and man the packing was so much
47:07
like more focused and there's less
47:09
thinking, you know, you
47:10
can enjoy yourself instead of
47:13
Grabbing one of the ten cameras hanging
47:14
around your neck and taking pictures
47:17
So that that worked out great and yeah
47:19
less mental load because some of these
47:21
days that were on the trails like it's
47:23
Exhausting and mentally straining and
47:25
then the last thing you want to do is
47:26
like try to figure out
47:28
dinner when you get to camp
47:29
Whatever you can do to
47:30
streamline it like yeah
47:31
You could really go to town with the app
47:33
because there's all kinds of things you
47:34
could do and not have to print up cards
47:37
And stuff. I mean the printed cards. I
47:38
think they have a good place
47:40
But yeah that the app I think is a
47:42
wonderful idea. It
47:43
just it really opens it up
47:45
The only problem is is that at some point
47:47
you load up enough crap there and some of
47:49
it has to go to the internet
47:51
Or has to swap
47:53
You got it. Yeah. No, I think there's
47:55
always gonna be like I think there always
47:57
be a place for like a deck of cards
47:59
Like we have yes, I think like the
48:01
expansion packs that we
48:02
were working on originally
48:03
I think that has a set useful life
48:06
because I think that's
48:06
where the mobile app comes in
48:08
Because why do you want to keep buying 15
48:10
of these cards and 18 of these cards like
48:12
I think it's like I want to buy
48:14
A deck of cards. That's my core thing
48:15
And then maybe the mobile app has a lot
48:17
of these one-off kind of expansion packs
48:19
that you can subscribe to so we'll see
48:22
That's kind of where
48:22
my mind's at right now
48:23
But as as we get bigger and we learn from
48:26
the customers we'll adapt to what works
48:29
for people. Yeah, it's
48:29
great getting feedback
48:31
Oh, that was the other thing. How do you
48:32
how do people reach out to you and give
48:34
you ideas for questions and so forth?
48:36
Yeah, I so we're we're I'd say we're most
48:39
engaged on Instagram. That's where we
48:41
have a lot of questions
48:42
So people send us ideas via Instagram
48:44
though, just like message us especially
48:45
with the mobile app right now being new
48:47
We've had lots of people sending us
48:49
feedback. So I love
48:50
engaging with people via Instagram
48:52
You can definitely email us. It's just
48:53
hello at radio chatter game calm
48:56
You know, it's it's me. So you're gonna
48:58
get a response from me whether it's
48:59
Instagram or whatever
49:01
So yeah, radio chatter game calm
49:03
Instagram is at radio chatter game
49:06
We're on some of the other socials
49:07
But Instagram right now is kind of the
49:09
easiest to be on so have you grown in
49:12
popularity enough
49:14
that where you don't know
49:15
Don't name anybody. I know you're smart
49:16
enough not to but have you grown in
49:18
popularity enough where
49:19
there's one or two people
49:21
That's interacting with you all the time
49:23
and you go. Oh my god
49:25
It's it's it's I'm just gonna say it
49:27
Nikki G because Nikki G
49:28
is a popular figure here
49:29
And I can well imagine
49:31
him just driving you nuts
49:32
Have you have you run a popularity where
49:33
you just get some of these
49:34
people that are like dude?
49:36
Get a friend in person
49:39
No, I mean I I definitely have a handful
49:43
of people that send me regular feedback
49:47
It's been I think all on the mobile app
49:49
though, so like I'm into that and like
49:51
logging all these ideas
49:54
So I think that's I mean, it's been great
49:56
like I like I love it
49:58
It even like and even if there is
49:59
somebody irritating you that's the best
50:01
answer you could give we love
50:04
I've had I had more people in corporate
50:07
America bother the shit
50:08
out of me than I do, you know
50:09
Running my own company. So like when you
50:11
build something yourself
50:13
And this is part of why it was just a
50:14
side hustle was in all honesty
50:16
It's a confidence thing when you create
50:18
something and you put
50:19
it out there in the world
50:20
I mean, you know this when you probably
50:21
first launched the podcast
50:22
You're like, who am I talking to do they
50:24
care? Who am I who am I?
50:27
All these people that do stuff like this
50:29
that are making millions
50:30
of dollars. Yeah, you got it
50:32
So like who am I to create this small
50:34
little card game and and
50:35
that's how we treated it
50:36
But like the more people that give
50:37
feedback and say it'd be great if you
50:39
could do this or
50:40
whatever you've offered this
50:40
Like well, that's a that's a real person
50:42
like it took time out of
50:44
your day to think of that idea
50:47
To sit down write it to me and then
50:48
engage back and forth like to me
50:51
That's like feedback that what we're
50:52
doing people enjoy and it just you are
50:54
done something to somebody's life
50:57
Enough where they want to reach out type
50:59
something in or direct
51:01
message you and it's it's amazing
51:03
I think that is probably the best thing
51:05
about going off and doing something is
51:07
that your idea has made people happy
51:10
It's given them something to do. It may
51:12
have saved lives simply
51:14
because they were more
51:15
Attentive because they were interacting
51:17
while they were driving.
51:18
So just a wonderful deal
51:20
Well, you know how the kids love the
51:21
social media you
51:22
already mentioned Instagram
51:23
Where can they find you on
51:25
the on the social media stuff?
51:27
Yeah, so it's at radio chatter game is
51:29
where you'll find us. That's our handle
51:31
on all the social medias that we're on
51:35
We don't really have much on YouTube yet
51:36
A little bit on threads definitely on
51:39
Instagram a little bit on Facebook is
51:42
where you'll find us
51:43
Excellent. Wonderful. Thank you so much
51:45
for being with us here today continued
51:48
Success with the radio chatter. It's it's
51:51
a card set or an application that lets
51:54
you get the conversation going
51:57
just go to radio chatter
51:58
game calm and or you can go to
52:02
the Apple Store or the
52:04
Google Play store and to
52:06
search for a radio chatter that
52:08
That'll find you and then and how much
52:10
how much was it again on the the places?
52:12
I mean, how does it have to be more on
52:14
Apple because those bastards take more
52:16
money than what they had?
52:16
Yeah, they take quite a bit, but we just
52:19
want to get out there right now
52:20
So yeah right now on both
52:22
platforms for the mobile app
52:24
It's $4.99 our physical product is $15
52:26
plus shipping and handling and in the the
52:28
$4.99 at least right now
52:31
No changes. It's not it's not like $4.99
52:33
a year or a month or you you buy it
52:36
You got the app, but there may be some
52:38
add-ons coming up. So right there'll be
52:40
exactly. So yeah,
52:41
there'll be some add-ons coming
52:43
Well, we're looking into a subscription
52:45
model in the future,
52:46
which would give more features
52:47
But you know, we want to make it
52:49
affordable and reachable for everybody.
52:51
So yeah. All right, man, Paul
52:53
Thank you so much for being here
52:55
We we had a little bit slow start getting
52:57
going because I had some equipment issues
52:59
I appreciate you hanging in there and
53:01
getting this this recorded at least I
53:04
know you're not off of
53:05
work other than radio chatter
53:06
So like yeah, that's right the car
53:08
environment that I had to slow you down
53:09
because I always hate
53:10
either missing an interview
53:11
Which happens very rarely or
53:13
are keeping it from starting?
53:14
So I'm glad you made time for us and
53:17
we'll have to get you
53:17
back on in the future
53:19
Yeah, thanks so much.
53:19
No, I really appreciate it
53:22
You're my friend you're my new friend
53:24
You