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Thoughts on Framber Valdez's suspension, Tarik Skubal's recovery and more · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network.
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Speaker 2: Tiger's podcast.
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Speaker 1: I'm Karen Steckley with me as always as a man
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Speaker 1: who is not a doctor, but he plays one sometimes
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Speaker 1: for this podcast, he is Cody Stavenhagen.
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Speaker 2: How are we doing?
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Speaker 3: Not a doctor, but I am a journalist. Sometimes that
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Speaker 3: means you talk to doctors and you learn a lot.
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Speaker 3: I know a lot about a lot of different injuries.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, sometimes my choice, sometimes not.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's just start with We're recording this early
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Speaker 1: evening on Thursday. Obviously no Tiger's game today, so let's
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Speaker 1: just start with the big developing news regarding the Terrork
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Speaker 1: school situation, especially given since we last talked, and this
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Speaker 1: is from John Hayman on Twitter, reading from his tweet,
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Speaker 1: tarrk schooble elbow surgery was a success. He could start
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Speaker 1: working out within days and two months is even seen
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Speaker 1: as a conservative estimate for the two time cy Young
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Speaker 1: winner to return who that was one sentence, four to
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Speaker 1: six weeks possible. One relatively small loose body was removed.
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Speaker 1: So that is the latest information that is kind of
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Speaker 1: out there publicly regarding schoolble Uh and his surgery. My
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Speaker 1: first thoughts on reading that, Cody, Obviously, it's like optimistic
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Speaker 1: without something that you actually want to hold on to
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Speaker 1: if you want to see schoolbl back sooner rather than later.
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Speaker 1: But you'll take you'll take that as opposed to the
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Speaker 1: other side. And then second, let's just say, let's just
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Speaker 1: take this at face value.
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Speaker 4: If it was.
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Speaker 1: A one and I'm gonna quoting him one relatively small
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Speaker 1: loose body that was removed, that does in a way
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Speaker 1: explain staying in the game against Atlanta. And then like
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Speaker 1: you know, school Buls added to just on it, being like, hey, look,
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Speaker 1: you know it's some I deal with.
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Speaker 2: It's probably okay.
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Speaker 1: And then even just like the spur of information that
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Speaker 1: happened with being scratched then surgery and all that stuff
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Speaker 1: like it, it actually kind of makes it make more sense.
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Speaker 2: So that was my initial read.
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Speaker 1: You've done a lot of research and talk to a
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Speaker 1: lot of people about this, so you can take it
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Speaker 1: whether whichever direction you want this news and then just
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Speaker 1: like the stuff that you've learned over the past.
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Speaker 3: Few days, Yeah, well, I'll certainly be curious to learn more.
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Speaker 3: The Hayman report is obviously optimistic, as you would probably
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Speaker 3: expect given where that information is likely coming from. Hayman
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Speaker 3: also said Schooble being scratched from his start was precautionary,
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Speaker 3: and ten minutes later found out he was having surgery.
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Speaker 3: So I'll be curious to see what the Tigers say
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Speaker 3: about this Thursday in Kansas City. If I had to guess,
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Speaker 3: they'll probably say it went well, and they will probably
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Speaker 3: still be reluctant to put any sort of firm timeline
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Speaker 3: on here. If indeed Schooble only had one loose body
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Speaker 3: from his elbow, I do think that's good news that
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Speaker 3: this could be on the shorter end of things versus
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Speaker 3: the longer end of things. I'm obviously not knowing what
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Speaker 3: actually went on in the surgery. I'm still gonna probably
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Speaker 3: take the over, and that is gonna be you know,
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Speaker 3: six weeks is like absolute, absolute best case scenario. And
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Speaker 3: keep in mind it's possible Terk Scouble could be pitching
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Speaker 3: in six weeks, but there's a difference between pitching and
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Speaker 3: pitching like Trek Scouble. As much as the Tigers need
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Speaker 3: him back, I think it's in the best interest of
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Speaker 3: Schooble of Bores Corp. And potentially even the Tigers to
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Speaker 3: take this slow because when Schooble does return to major
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Speaker 3: league play, you want him at one hundred percent. You
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Speaker 3: want him being the dude. Based on some of my
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Speaker 3: talks with a couple of orthopedic surgeons, you know, the
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Speaker 3: recovery timeline can vary. A lot of people are staying
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Speaker 3: within Hey, two to three months is is kind of normal.
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Speaker 3: One surgeon, Robert Grumez, said it could be longer depending
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Speaker 3: on how much velocity that particular athlete is trying to
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Speaker 3: get back. Scoogle obviously is going to be the higher
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Speaker 3: on the higher end of the velocity that you were
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Speaker 3: trying to get back. But another surgeon, Shayar Amadi, I
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Speaker 3: like the way he put it. It can be all
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Speaker 3: the way from a few weeks to six months. If
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Speaker 3: it involves a big part of the joint and has
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Speaker 3: more extensive arthritis and loose bodies, it could be three
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Speaker 3: to six months. If it's just a couple of tiny
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Speaker 3: loose bodies, it can be six weeks to a maximum
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Speaker 3: of three months. So it sounds like we are probably
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Speaker 3: closer to six weeks to a maximum of three months.
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Speaker 3: I would not at all be surprised if it might
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Speaker 3: be a little bit on the shorter end. But again,
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Speaker 3: we have to wait and see. We have to wait
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Speaker 3: and see what happens when he's back to throwing. How
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Speaker 3: does he feel, how much volume does he have to
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Speaker 3: build back, how's he throwing when he starts a rehab
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Speaker 3: assignment or whatever. There's some wait and see in pretty
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Speaker 3: much every injury recovery versus just circling a date today
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Speaker 3: and being like, Okay, this is when he will be back.
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Speaker 3: Good news, but like, let's let's be a little cautious
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Speaker 3: before we jump to any conclusions.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I agree obviously, like in his interest and
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Speaker 1: in you know, boris Corpse interest about the you know,
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Speaker 1: the the motivations to make sure that it's right instead
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Speaker 1: of as fast as possible, And you said potentially the tigers,
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Speaker 1: I would remove the word potentially. I think it's absolutely
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Speaker 1: in the best interest of the tigers to make sure
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Speaker 1: when he's back, he is, you know, all the way back,
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Speaker 1: because as much as there and we're gonna get to
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Speaker 1: all the bad stuff, but you know, we'll start out
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Speaker 1: a little bit more, you know, a little more rose
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Speaker 1: colored glasses. Here for a second, one of the down trodden.
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Speaker 1: Themes of the week is that the Tigers are more
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Speaker 1: or less a five hundred team uh in non school days,
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Speaker 1: and then what they're like twenty whatever games about five
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Speaker 1: hundred in schoolble start days. So given that, and given
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Speaker 1: that there's like what one of the two American League
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Speaker 1: teams that are above five hundred, and given that you
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Speaker 1: play in the American League Central, like, if you can
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Speaker 1: play five hundred ish ball, and you know, maybe it
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Speaker 1: bounces your way and you're a couple of games up,
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Speaker 1: maybe you're a couple of games down. If you can
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Speaker 1: play five hundred ish ball, you should still be very
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Speaker 1: much alive for every goal that you have at that time, potentially,
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Speaker 1: I guess. And so if you get schoobl all the
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Speaker 1: way back when you're when you're playing five hundred ball
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Speaker 1: without him, that should be the thing that kind of
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Speaker 1: pushes you forward in a real meaningful way as opposed
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Speaker 1: to bringing him at bringing him back early just for
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Speaker 1: the sake of scratching out a couple more games.
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Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're hoping he can come back at full
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Speaker 3: force whenever that may be August and September and carry
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Speaker 3: you into the postseason and beyond. There's a lot of talk,
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Speaker 3: and I've said it. I'm guilty to say, like, oh,
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Speaker 3: the weak ale Central is an advantage. It sort of is,
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Speaker 3: but really it's the weak American League and the age
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Speaker 3: of the expanded playoff. The Tigers could be fifteen games
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Speaker 3: off the division lead, but if you can get that
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Speaker 3: third wild card spot, like you're fine. It's really the
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Speaker 3: expanded playoff, regardless of your division, that changes the calculus
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Speaker 3: for the Tigers. For every team in baseball these days,
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Speaker 3: it's just a lot harder to totally fall out of
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Speaker 3: the race before the trade deadline. Maybe it helps that
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Speaker 3: the teams the Tigers are seeing the most often aren't
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Speaker 3: aren't elite either.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't remember if we said this on
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Speaker 1: our last episode, because just a lot has happened this week,
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Speaker 1: but I wasn't. Really I'm not really here for and
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Speaker 1: I'll just repeat it, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating it,
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Speaker 1: but I'm just not really here for a lot of
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Speaker 1: trade deadline talk when it comes to Trek Skougel and
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Speaker 1: the Tigers. Now, these past three games have made it
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Speaker 1: seem like maybe not so, but they should still be
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Speaker 1: a good enough team to be in contention, and if
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Speaker 1: you're in contention, you're not trading Trek's Schooble. You're certainly
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Speaker 1: not trading an injured Trek school Ble in which you
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Speaker 1: could potentially get thirty forty cents on the dollar in
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Speaker 1: any sort of trade. So, like, you know, this is
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Speaker 1: more of like a national thing, some kind of local
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Speaker 1: scuttle butt about it.
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Speaker 4: But like all the.
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Speaker 1: Big the East Coast bias and the West Coast bias
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Speaker 1: want Trek Schooble somewhere other than Detroit, so they're like, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: maybe they can get them cheap.
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Speaker 4: That's why they're framing it that way, you know what
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Speaker 4: I mean.
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Speaker 1: And I just don't think that's that's not really in
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Speaker 1: the realm of my realistic outcomes that I have as
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Speaker 1: of right now May seven, twenty twenty six. Like, if
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Speaker 1: you're gonna trade Trek schoobl you're not trading him for
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Speaker 1: less than maximum value, And if he's injured or just
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Speaker 1: coming off injury, you're not gonna get close to maximum value.
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Speaker 1: So I don't give that any sort of thought.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably not even worth spending too much time on.
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Speaker 3: If the Tigers are far enough out of contention that
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Speaker 3: that's a discussion in July. We're all going to be
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Speaker 3: in for a long and bad summer. And yeah, you've
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Speaker 3: pointed it out here, and like, if the offers are diminished,
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Speaker 3: they're probably not going to move them just to move them.
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Speaker 3: They could still hold on, give them the qualifying offer,
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Speaker 3: a recoup, a draft pick. I do think this what
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Speaker 3: it means for his free agency is a fascinating conversation.
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Speaker 3: And as I mentioned at the end of last episode,
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Speaker 3: I don't think we should all be trying to have
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Speaker 3: a take here. I think we should all admit we
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Speaker 3: don't really know. I'm not sure anyone knows. I do
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Speaker 3: think it's somewhat dependent on when does he get back,
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Speaker 3: how much does he pitch, and how does he perform
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Speaker 3: when he pitches. If Trek Scuoble returns in August and
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Speaker 3: has a one ERA and eight to ten starts, he
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Speaker 3: could still get a record contract. I think, like, I
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Speaker 3: don't think that's out of the realm of possibility. Sure,
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Speaker 3: any team is going to have to look at this
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Speaker 3: with a little more scrutiny. Do you want to give
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Speaker 3: him seven, eight, nine, ten years? But I would argue
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Speaker 3: any deal for a picture. You almost assume you're going
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Speaker 3: to lose them for some amount of time in that deal. Like,
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Speaker 3: does this injury in particular affect the longevity of his career?
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Speaker 3: Probably not really, and we've seen plenty of pitchers still
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Speaker 3: perform quite well even late in their careers after bigger
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Speaker 3: arm surgeries than this one. You know, I think it's
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Speaker 3: somewhat increases the likelihood of you know, if he feels
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Speaker 3: the market is diminished somewhat, maybe you take a shorter
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Speaker 3: term deal, you take the one year, you take the
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Speaker 3: deal with opt outs, then we get into the CBA
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Speaker 3: and all the uncertainty there. So that may not be
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Speaker 3: the easy solution that it has been for other BORES
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Speaker 3: clients in the past. I just don't think we really know.
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Speaker 3: But I do feel like there's still going to be
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Speaker 3: teams willing to pay a pretty any to acquire Trek
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Speaker 3: Schoogle's services one way or another, provided he comes back
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Speaker 3: and pitches that an elite level like he most likely will.
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Speaker 1: I'll phrase it like this, no team like Tarrek School
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Speaker 1: is not good like any team that doesn't feel the
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Speaker 1: offer to Trek schoogbl because of this injury surgery was
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Speaker 1: never serious about retaining the services of Tarreork Schoogle period.
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Speaker 3: I think that's a good way to put it. I
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Speaker 3: think shout out to Terrek who posted on Instagram be
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Speaker 3: back soon, appreciate everyone who reached out, included the James
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Speaker 3: Brown song the payback with that post.
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Speaker 1: It's a bop, all right, Terrek Schoogle has always got
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Speaker 1: to mention friend of the show. All right, we are
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Speaker 1: going to take a quick break and then afterward we're
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Speaker 2: All right, coming back here.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, in most any other week, this would have been
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Speaker 1: the leading topic of conversation, But the Tigers, in addition
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Speaker 1: to being swept.
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Speaker 4: At, a litany of things go wrong.
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give the list here, Cody, and then
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Speaker 1: we'll sort it from there. So the schoolvil surgery, we
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Speaker 1: talked about that fromber may or may not throwing intentionally
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Speaker 1: at Trevor's story and then having one of those everybody
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Speaker 1: kind of gets around home played and shoves and talks
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Speaker 1: and all that stuff.
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Speaker 3: Instead it didn't even shove. They just stood there.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: He gets suspended six games, gets produced to five. Aj
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Speaker 1: Hinch also suspended as a result of this. Your TRIPAA
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Speaker 1: manager is fired for inappropriate conduct, and as I said,
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Speaker 1: you get swept by the Red Sox, your first home
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Speaker 1: series loss of the season and which you are outscored
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Speaker 1: nineteen to seven. So let's start with the fromber piece
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Speaker 1: of this. Obviously, you were there, you talked to, you know,
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Speaker 1: all the parties involved. So I'm curious where what your
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Speaker 1: impression is of everything. I'll just say real quick, it's
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Speaker 1: obviously a terrible look and something that you want to
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Speaker 1: avoid for a multitude of reasons, not the least of
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Speaker 1: which is that you are down a significant portion of
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Speaker 1: your staff and supplemental staff from a starting pitching perspective
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Speaker 1: and bullpen taxing, and now you got a suspension out
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Speaker 1: of it. So yeah, so you were take us there,
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Speaker 1: take us into the clubhouse?
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Speaker 2: What do you think?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know where to start. I mean,
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Speaker 3: if you're listening to this, I assume you know the
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Speaker 3: basics from ber Valdez through pitch at Trevor's story, he
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Speaker 3: had just given up back to back solo home runs.
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Speaker 3: He was having a horrible outing. He happened to throw
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Speaker 3: his only four seen fastball of the twenty twenty sixth
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Speaker 3: season on the pitch that hit. Story after the game
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Speaker 3: Fromber claimed it was not intentional. Aj Hinch's comments were
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Speaker 3: certainly interesting. He said, I'm not judging intent, but we
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Speaker 3: play a good brand of baseball here, and that's not it.
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Speaker 3: He basically said, sometimes when you go out on the
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Speaker 3: field for a confrontation like that, you feel you're in
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Speaker 3: the right, you feel convicted in being out there, and
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Speaker 3: he said it didn't feel like that. So that was
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Speaker 3: basically his way of saying like we were in the
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Speaker 3: wrong without quite saying that. I think that's the pretty
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Speaker 3: prevalent since Major League Baseball deemed this to be an
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Speaker 3: intentional act, gave Valdez the it was a six game
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Speaker 3: suspension that was quickly reduced to five. Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 3: know it was. I think from Bridge just should have
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Speaker 3: come out and said, my emotions got the best of me.
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Speaker 3: I made a mistake. I apologized to my team because
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Speaker 3: unless the off chances a lone four seem fastball of
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Speaker 3: the season really did slip away from him in a
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Speaker 3: moment where he was getting shelled on the mound where
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Speaker 3: you guys probably seen Eric Hosmer's video, the Red Sox
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Speaker 3: might have been getting pitches out of his glove at
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Speaker 3: second Trevor's story was among those who had been at
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Speaker 3: second base potentially relaying signs to batters, Like there was
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Speaker 3: a lot going on, and it's just very, very tough
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Speaker 3: to believe what from berval does said listening to a J.
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Speaker 3: Hinch getting a sense for some other players, I don't
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Speaker 3: think there was a lot of backing of from Bervaldez here.
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Speaker 3: And given the stats of the Tigers roster, the injury
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Speaker 3: to Schooble, the injuries to Katy Mais, to Justin verr Lander,
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Speaker 3: the fact you were down to three traditional starters in
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Speaker 3: your rotation when fromber threw that pitch, he should have
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Speaker 3: known he was risking a suspension. People out there have
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Speaker 3: called it a selfish act. One interesting thing, you know,
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Speaker 3: I talked to Dylan Dingler, was one of the last
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Speaker 3: to wait on him that night, and Dingler was asked
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Speaker 3: what pitch he called. He said fastball. Was asked if
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Speaker 3: it was intentional, he said it got away from him.
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Speaker 3: But based on Dingler's tone his body language is just
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Speaker 3: my read it was. I just don't think he was
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Speaker 3: going to contradict his picture and create a bigger mess
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Speaker 3: than there already was. It was kind of tough to
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Speaker 3: even believe that account. And I don't blame Dingler for
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Speaker 3: you know, kind of going with the party line there.
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Speaker 3: I think that's kind of what you have to do
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Speaker 3: in that situation. But this is a very bad look
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Speaker 3: for the Tigers. It's going to cost the team for
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Speaker 3: a few days, cause them to resort to another bullpen
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Speaker 3: day in Kansas City. Like it's all around bad. And
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Speaker 3: then you factor in Fromber's history with some other incidents,
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Speaker 3: most notably you know, the cross up with Caesar Salazar
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Speaker 3: last year. It's just not good. Honestly, it's really unfortunate
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Speaker 3: because people have asked, like, oh, what's from aer, like, like,
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Speaker 3: you know, he kind of has this reputation, and I
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Speaker 3: haven't quite known what to say. I can't pretend you've
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Speaker 3: gotten to know him super well. But I like to
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Speaker 3: believe he was coming to Detroit and trying to make
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Speaker 3: you a good impression. He'd you know, pretty quiet, kept
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Speaker 3: his head down when about his work every five days,
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Speaker 3: had been for the most part, really consistent out there
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Speaker 3: on the mound. But then you know, you get in
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Speaker 3: the heat of competition, you get into poor outing, and
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Speaker 3: you know, this reputation that's followed him, we see another
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Speaker 3: at best questionable action occur in a sense that that
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Speaker 3: hurts his team. It's it's just bad. That's That's probably
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Speaker 3: all I have to say about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was trying to gather my thoughts on
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Speaker 1: what the proper, the proper and measured way to discuss
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Speaker 1: this was. There's I do not try to pretend to
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Speaker 1: be in a man's head, especially in the heat of competition,
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Speaker 1: but I do feel comfortable saying that it's a bad look.
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Speaker 1: It is something that like, let me, let me phrase
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Speaker 1: it this way. One of my concerns with Fromberg and
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Speaker 1: the signing was is he a front runner? And what
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Speaker 1: I mean by that is everything when everything's good, he's good.
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Speaker 1: When things aren't, does he change and one of the
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Speaker 1: and and if you are going to sign a three year,
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen million dollar contract with which which
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Speaker 1: is intended to make you in the ace, not the ace,
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Speaker 1: but in ace, and with that, with everything else going
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Speaker 1: on with the Tigers, you could be the ace, you
19:35
Speaker 1: know now, but like that's right now, yeah, So like
19:39
Speaker 1: he's like so like now you are the face of
19:41
Speaker 1: the pitching staff, all right, And so you cannot allow
19:45
Speaker 1: yourself to be in these situations because to quote mad Men,
19:51
Speaker 1: that's what the money's for, all right, Like, if you
19:53
Speaker 1: don't want that responsibility, don't take the money. If you
19:58
Speaker 1: do want to take the money, then you have to
20:00
Speaker 1: take the responsibility that is associated with it.
20:03
Speaker 2: And this is a.
20:03
Speaker 1: Team that is as down as they have been all
20:06
Speaker 1: season for all these reasons. And you put yourself in
20:10
Speaker 1: a situation that made it worse. And as the bottom line,
20:15
Speaker 1: you got suspended. Your actions made it worse. You got
20:18
Speaker 1: your manager suspended as a result of this too. So
20:22
Speaker 1: whether it was intentional or not, it's almost irrelevant in
20:27
Speaker 1: my mind, because you cannot allow that to be a thing, period.
20:32
Speaker 1: And if you don't want that responsibility, go be the
20:36
Speaker 1: you know, some some four starter somewhere.
20:38
Speaker 4: Go you know, take less money.
20:39
Speaker 1: Don't don't try to you know, hold out for the
20:42
Speaker 1: richest contract you can get and make you know, I
20:45
Speaker 1: have the highest AAV and all that stuff. If you
20:47
Speaker 1: don't want it, you don't have to have it. No
20:49
Speaker 1: one's making you do it, but you wanted it, and
20:52
Speaker 1: this is part of it. So I hope this is
20:54
Speaker 1: a learning lesson for him, because obviously he's been a
20:56
Speaker 1: part of.
20:56
Speaker 4: Winning teams and and and and high level staffs.
21:00
Speaker 1: But now this is like, this is like the first
21:02
Speaker 1: time where everyone's looking at you in this way.
21:05
Speaker 4: So hopefully it's a learning opportunity for him.
21:08
Speaker 1: Because you baseball has too many lows to have some
21:13
Speaker 1: of your front facing guys just be front runner types.
21:17
Speaker 1: And so if he is a front runner, that's going
21:19
Speaker 1: to be a problem for the duration of his the
21:22
Speaker 1: rest of his career, and then in terms of this,
21:24
Speaker 1: the duration of his time in Detroit, we'll see if
21:27
Speaker 1: he's a front runner, how he handles this. Because actions
21:31
Speaker 1: have consequences, and reputations aren't made out of thin air.
21:37
Speaker 1: So so so if you want to do something about it,
21:40
Speaker 1: it's on you to do something about it.
21:42
Speaker 4: And as I said, that's what the money's for.
21:45
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think I think that's a strong take
21:47
Speaker 3: care and but an appropriate one. I think it's unfortunate
21:50
Speaker 3: in that, like Fromber has had learning lessons before, he
21:54
Speaker 3: is not a young pitcher in this game anymore. Like
21:57
Speaker 3: I say, like wanted to give him the benefit of
21:59
Speaker 3: the day out coming to Detroit, and it's now hard
22:03
Speaker 3: to do that going forward. And I'm not knocking the
22:06
Speaker 3: Tigers for signing from er Valdez. They did it. We
22:08
Speaker 3: loved it. It was, you know, incredibly well received as
22:11
Speaker 3: a competitive move. They got him in part because his
22:14
Speaker 3: market crashed a little bit, largely most likely because of
22:18
Speaker 3: situations just like this. I don't blame them for assuming
22:21
Speaker 3: that risk. But they knew what they were signing up for.
22:24
Speaker 3: They knew they were signing up for this not that
22:28
Speaker 3: much different than Hovey baia Is a few years ago.
22:30
Speaker 3: I know that was an al of you the signing,
22:31
Speaker 3: but AJ Hinch was in those meetings and was a
22:34
Speaker 3: part of that deal getting done. That wasn't the one
22:36
Speaker 3: thing when they did sign from. But we noted like,
22:39
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of the daddy we can fix
22:41
Speaker 3: him thing from this current Tigers regime, even from AJ
22:45
Speaker 3: and now all of a sudden, you look across the
22:48
Speaker 3: room and they're there may be a few too many
22:51
Speaker 3: of those. We can fix him in different ways, whether
22:53
Speaker 3: it be performance wise or emotionally or whatever. There are
22:57
Speaker 3: a few more of those than you would like, a
23:00
Speaker 3: few more things to hit on real quick, like the
23:01
Speaker 3: pitch tipping thing, the grips we mentioned. If you watch
23:06
Speaker 3: the Hosmer video, I think it's pretty clear the Red
23:09
Speaker 3: Sox were probably getting grips. But is that the reason
23:13
Speaker 3: he plunked Trevor's story. I think that's probably a little
23:15
Speaker 3: bit overblown. From Brod was asked if he thought they
23:19
Speaker 3: had anything that night and seemed to say like the
23:22
Speaker 3: thought crossed his mind, but he wasn't sure if he
23:25
Speaker 3: really was angered about that. He might have just he
23:28
Speaker 3: might have just said they had something on him. Maybe
23:31
Speaker 3: it would at least have excused the poor on field results.
23:36
Speaker 3: I think it's worth noting there wasn't no runner at
23:38
Speaker 3: second base when he gave up the solo homers to
23:40
Speaker 3: contreres and will you're or Bray. I talked to Dylan
23:43
Speaker 3: Dingler about it again the next day and asked him
23:46
Speaker 3: about the tipping. He said he didn't notice anything in
23:49
Speaker 3: real time. He said every pitch got hit. But it
23:53
Speaker 3: also wouldn't surprise him if they had something. But I
23:55
Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe that was a contributing factor, But I
23:59
Speaker 3: don't think it's just like, oh, he plunk story because
24:02
Speaker 3: they were getting his grips. Even Frombers said if they
24:05
Speaker 3: did have something like good on them, I wasn't doing
24:07
Speaker 3: my job. You have to protect your grips. That's that's
24:09
Speaker 3: part of this. And also like this stuff blows up
24:12
Speaker 3: when a video gets out, but it happens in almost
24:14
Speaker 3: every game, like we were in subtle ways, teams enter
24:18
Speaker 3: the game with a queue that they've seen on video
24:21
Speaker 3: that maybe they don't even have to relay from second base.
24:24
Speaker 3: This is a huge hidden part of the game, and
24:26
Speaker 3: I think it gets a little bit blown out of
24:28
Speaker 3: proportions sometimes just when a video comes out and then
24:32
Speaker 3: AJ getting a one game suspension. A lot of people
24:34
Speaker 3: have had questions about that. That seems to be pretty
24:37
Speaker 3: standard practice for when a pitcher throws at someone, the
24:40
Speaker 3: manager gets a suspension. It happened to Don Kelly, Donnie
24:43
Speaker 3: Kelly Baby just a few days ago. I think that's
24:47
Speaker 3: kind of an outdated thing that should probably just go away.
24:49
Speaker 3: I don't know if that stems from like back in
24:51
Speaker 3: the day when Billy Martin or whoever would like you know,
24:55
Speaker 3: call for the beanball from the dugout. Like I look,
25:00
Speaker 3: AJ's the manager, He's ultimately accountable for the actions. And
25:03
Speaker 3: I guess, as we talked about like signing up for
25:05
Speaker 3: the front Rivelda's experience as part of that. But uh,
25:08
Speaker 3: I kind of feel bad that Aj had to not
25:10
Speaker 3: only get suspended, he had to pay a fine because
25:13
Speaker 3: of this. He'd pay a fine. So I would love
25:17
Speaker 3: to have been a fly on the wall for the
25:19
Speaker 3: closed door conversation between Frombur and AJ. I cannot imagine
25:24
Speaker 3: how that one went.
25:27
Speaker 1: All right, I think we gave that it's it's just
25:30
Speaker 1: due there Obviously other things happen and we don't We
25:33
Speaker 1: don't have to break down every like little aspect of
25:37
Speaker 1: the series with the Red Sox, especially when you know
25:40
Speaker 1: there's blowout sequences in there. I just one of the
25:44
Speaker 1: things it just that bothers me, bothered me the most
25:48
Speaker 1: of this three game set was just it was a
25:50
Speaker 1: lot of uncharacteristic stuff, you know, and even even just
25:55
Speaker 1: like if you want to say, like you know, Schooble,
25:58
Speaker 1: like just the way that was kind of handled, like
26:01
Speaker 1: it was just very chaotic, I would, uh, from from
26:04
Speaker 1: an information and organizational standpoint. And then again we'll get
26:08
Speaker 1: to gave Alvarez here in a second.
26:10
Speaker 2: But like.
26:12
Speaker 1: Even just on the field, you know, Matt Berling getting
26:15
Speaker 1: thrown out trying to you know, I wouldn't even say
26:18
Speaker 1: stretch a single into a double, that's a double. Uh,
26:22
Speaker 1: but like you know, getting thrown out in you know,
26:24
Speaker 1: great play by Duran or whatever. So like, you know,
26:26
Speaker 1: don't want to take anything away there, but uh, you
26:30
Speaker 1: know it costly errors and you know, like it just
26:33
Speaker 1: was not Detroit Tigers baseball on the field either.
26:36
Speaker 4: So that was really what bothered me.
26:37
Speaker 1: And then just from a roster standpoint, the the tinkering
26:43
Speaker 1: with the forty man, the precious forty man, like you know,
26:47
Speaker 1: do do nothing to take away from the forty man.
26:50
Speaker 1: And then you know, you you you make a DFA
26:53
Speaker 1: to give Zach Short you know, one one game, how
26:57
Speaker 1: many at bats, and it just it just did not
27:00
Speaker 1: feel like a unified organizational philosophical win this week.
27:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, I look, the short thing is ultimately very minor
27:10
Speaker 3: compared to the other things we're talking about. But there
27:13
Speaker 3: have been two, three four instances in the past year
27:16
Speaker 3: where I would question some of the back end, like
27:19
Speaker 3: marginal roster management moves the Tigers have made, the type
27:23
Speaker 3: of things they pride themselves on, like they dfad a
27:26
Speaker 3: picture in Grant Holman who just got claimed by the Phillies.
27:30
Speaker 3: I have no idea if Grant Holman was any good.
27:32
Speaker 3: He was one of those some interesting stuff. Didn't really
27:34
Speaker 3: have a track record of major league success. But we
27:38
Speaker 3: know they need arms. We know they value arms. They
27:41
Speaker 3: pride themselves and being able to find guys and fix guys,
27:44
Speaker 3: and so they DFA this guy and they lose them.
27:46
Speaker 3: So they could bring up Zach Short for a couple days,
27:49
Speaker 3: bring him into the organization, at least bring him up
27:55
Speaker 3: to the major league. So you put him on the
27:56
Speaker 3: forty man, the DFA Holman basically so they could give
28:00
Speaker 3: twenty one year old Kevin McGonagall like one day off.
28:04
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe there was some deeper motive there.
28:07
Speaker 3: Glabor Torres wasn't available maybe that day, so maybe they
28:10
Speaker 3: want another righty. But I making a forty man move
28:13
Speaker 3: and losing a picture, even if it wasn't a good
28:15
Speaker 3: picture for like a day of Zach Short. I can't
28:18
Speaker 3: wrap my head around that. One short for the record
28:21
Speaker 3: has cleared waivers, he can now he's been assigned to TRIPAA.
28:25
Speaker 3: He can accept that assignment where he can decline in
28:29
Speaker 3: elect free agency. We'll see what happens there. Tigers also
28:32
Speaker 3: signed veteran Paul Deyong won a minor league deal to
28:35
Speaker 3: give him a little more shortstop infield depth in Toledo.
28:40
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was that was a weird one and
28:42
Speaker 3: one I'm gonna have some lingering questions about, even though
28:44
Speaker 3: it's ultimately like minor.
28:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, like in a week of a lot
28:50
Speaker 1: of major stuff, you're the Tigers are supposed to be
28:52
Speaker 1: the team that gets the minor stuff right, and just
28:55
Speaker 1: like a lot of it at best was questionable this
28:58
Speaker 1: week in addition to some of the broader things that
29:01
Speaker 1: were going on. And you mentioned Glabor. Glabor's on the
29:04
Speaker 1: I L now, so that's another piece of it. Jase
29:06
Speaker 1: Young back.
29:07
Speaker 3: Up even that kart, Like, I get it. You don't
29:11
Speaker 3: want to aiel guys if you don't have to. But
29:13
Speaker 3: we've seen it. Kimley Jansen avoided the il, but will
29:16
Speaker 3: Ves went what four or five days unavailable before they
29:20
Speaker 3: iled him. Glaber went three four days unavailable. You're basically
29:23
Speaker 3: playing man down before you bite the bullet and say, okay,
29:27
Speaker 3: we have to we have to I L him. Like,
29:30
Speaker 3: I know those are tweeers, Those are tough. I probably
29:32
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to be the one making that decision, but
29:34
Speaker 3: it seems like there's a pattern of them holding on
29:37
Speaker 3: a little too long in some of these cases.
29:41
Speaker 2: They feel behind.
29:41
Speaker 1: They feel like a like a move behind instead of
29:44
Speaker 1: like one to two ahead, which again is what we're
29:47
Speaker 1: kind of used to organizationally them handling this kind of stuff.
29:50
Speaker 3: And maybe that's a reflection of their depth. Like the
29:52
Speaker 3: roster in Toledo isn't encouraging. You don't probably don't want
29:55
Speaker 3: to al labor because who you're gonna call up in
29:57
Speaker 3: his place? You know before before McKinstry was was ready
30:01
Speaker 3: to come up. You don't want to iol will vest
30:03
Speaker 3: because your other arms kind of stink. But uh, that's
30:07
Speaker 3: also somewhat self inflicted for for not having some better
30:10
Speaker 3: options available.
30:11
Speaker 2: Uh, Max Anderson injured?
30:13
Speaker 1: Right, if I were to be fair, if I were
30:18
Speaker 1: to be fair, if anybody's listening to this, and they'll
30:20
Speaker 1: be and they think I'm missing something, maybe in fairness,
30:23
Speaker 1: you can't not be behind when all these things are
30:26
Speaker 1: happening at the same time. Sure, Uh uh so you know,
30:30
Speaker 1: I guess maybe that's some sort of like saving grace.
30:33
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is it just it just has
30:35
Speaker 1: not been an efficient week of procedural happenings over there
30:41
Speaker 1: in Detroit. So all right, let we've teased it a
30:44
Speaker 1: couple of times. Might as well talk about it now, uh,
30:47
Speaker 1: speaking of Triple A.
30:48
Speaker 2: Gabe al Gabe. Alvarez was dismissed after I don't I
30:57
Speaker 2: want to get in.
30:57
Speaker 3: And eah R investigation into sexual harassment allegations.
31:03
Speaker 1: Okay, And and as best as I can tell, based
31:07
Speaker 1: on the reporting from from you and Brett at the athletic, like,
31:12
Speaker 1: it seemed like a pretty quick process that they made
31:14
Speaker 1: this decision. So you know, if you know this, they
31:18
Speaker 1: have the Tigers have not been shed in a good
31:20
Speaker 1: light in terms of how they've handled this the past,
31:23
Speaker 1: like I would say a couple of years. This is
31:25
Speaker 1: an instance of quick, quick decision making given the light
31:29
Speaker 1: of the findings that they had, which obviously had not
31:32
Speaker 1: been made.
31:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, we don't know exactly what happened here. Alvarez
31:37
Speaker 3: ended up issuing a statement to ESPN that said he
31:39
Speaker 3: sent a text message to a staffer. It was then
31:44
Speaker 3: reported sounds like the Tigers kind of institute to a
31:47
Speaker 3: zero tolerance policy here. He said he had immediately reached
31:51
Speaker 3: out to that staffer after realizing the I guess the
31:55
Speaker 3: nature of the texts and apologized. He said it shouldn't
31:57
Speaker 3: be a reflection for for a long you know, career
32:01
Speaker 3: and respected track record in the game. So that's kind
32:04
Speaker 3: of what we know about his side of the events. Unfortunately,
32:09
Speaker 3: these situations aren't always black and white. I do think
32:12
Speaker 3: Gabe Alvarez was well respected in the organization for lack
32:15
Speaker 3: of a better term, he wasn't a known creep, unlike
32:19
Speaker 3: some others who have encountered this fate in the Tigers system.
32:24
Speaker 3: But I will say, like, the best way to avoid
32:27
Speaker 3: this is just like, don't send a text that could
32:30
Speaker 3: be misconstrued. I obviously have no idea what the content
32:33
Speaker 3: of that text message was, Like this is twenty twenty six.
32:37
Speaker 3: I think we should know by now, especially if you
32:39
Speaker 3: are in a power a position of power like don't
32:43
Speaker 3: you know you have to be very careful and it
32:46
Speaker 3: I guess that's about all I will say. Unfortunately, it
32:49
Speaker 3: fits a pattern in the organization. The Tigers, to their credit,
32:54
Speaker 3: did seem to affect swiftly and taken care of this one.
32:57
Speaker 3: And that's probably about the what I should say for now.
33:03
Speaker 2: When in doubt, have good behavior always words to live by.
33:06
Speaker 3: Think twice, I think twice.
33:08
Speaker 2: Think think twice. There you go, All right, let's go to.
33:14
Speaker 1: In normal times, we would have a lot more fun
33:16
Speaker 1: with this, but there's a lot more serious, serious stuff
33:19
Speaker 1: going on, and that's what to make a Jack Flaherty,
33:24
Speaker 1: you know, like it's a fun game. I'll read it
33:28
Speaker 1: stat I'm pulling it up right here from his outing yesterday,
33:32
Speaker 1: in which he went five innings and four runs, but
33:38
Speaker 1: only two of them earned. He had ten strikeouts, one walk,
33:41
Speaker 1: I believe, three hits. And this is from Jason Beck
33:44
Speaker 1: on X Tonight, obviously being Wednesday night, is the first
33:48
Speaker 1: time in Tiger's history that they've allowed four hits or
33:51
Speaker 1: fewer in a game, struck out fifteen.
33:53
Speaker 2: Or more batters and lost.
33:54
Speaker 1: They've had ten such efforts in victories, according to research
33:58
Speaker 1: on Baseball Reference.
34:00
Speaker 2: So I'll say that again.
34:01
Speaker 1: Four allowed four hits or few or struck out fifteen
34:04
Speaker 1: or more batters and lost.
34:06
Speaker 4: That's that's your.
34:08
Speaker 1: Week of May six, Detroit Tiger's right there, Cody, Yeah
34:14
Speaker 1: for sure.
34:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, they lost four to ozer Man. So it was
34:17
Speaker 3: hard to feel too good. But Jack flaerity much better outing,
34:20
Speaker 3: struck out five of the first six batters he faced,
34:23
Speaker 3: for the most part, had much better command. He did
34:25
Speaker 3: spike a few breaking balls in two strike counts, and
34:28
Speaker 3: Dylan Dingler blocked his ass off in that game, by
34:30
Speaker 3: the way, but Flaerity was for the most part much better,
34:34
Speaker 3: got ahead a lot, only one walk. When he did
34:37
Speaker 3: issue that walk, he didn't fall into the fifteen to
34:40
Speaker 3: twenty pitch mystery he had talked about where he just
34:42
Speaker 3: couldn't find the zone. He kind of dialed it back in.
34:46
Speaker 3: So it was a positive step forward. But now the
34:49
Speaker 3: question is, you know, can he repeat it, can he
34:51
Speaker 3: get back on track and string together a few good outings.
34:54
Speaker 3: It's really what even dating the last year, the Tigers
34:57
Speaker 3: have needed from Flerity is consistency. That's kind of been
34:59
Speaker 3: the issue, you know, pre this three start stretch, before
35:03
Speaker 3: this where he had just kind of unraveled, couldn't get
35:06
Speaker 3: past the fourth inning. I think Jack was positive talking
35:10
Speaker 3: to him, you know, I think he was. He was
35:12
Speaker 3: kind of proud. Must have felt really good for him
35:14
Speaker 3: to pitch more like himself, miss a lot of bats,
35:16
Speaker 3: get the ten punches. That's the pitcher Jack Flerity can
35:18
Speaker 3: be at his best. Unfortunately, they lost, so he could
35:22
Speaker 3: couldn't really take too much of a victory lap. But
35:25
Speaker 3: going forward, you know, they'll only miss from ber one
35:28
Speaker 3: turn through the rotation, but you're out Schooble for an
35:30
Speaker 3: extended period. Here Erlander making good progress, but he's going
35:35
Speaker 3: to have to face some hitters. He's it's going to
35:37
Speaker 3: take him a while to build back up. Everyone's acting
35:40
Speaker 3: like Casey Mies could be back in short order, but
35:42
Speaker 3: like we'll see, will he have to do a rehab assignment?
35:45
Speaker 3: How are his mechanics going to be coming out of
35:48
Speaker 3: an adductor strain? Jack Flaherity gonna be one of the
35:51
Speaker 3: most important players on this Tiger's team really until Trek
35:56
Speaker 3: Scuble returns, or really just for the rest of the
35:58
Speaker 3: season going forward. They need him to get right and
36:01
Speaker 3: to help stabilize the ship. At least for one night.
36:05
Speaker 3: Jack helped do that, even just you know, going five.
36:08
Speaker 3: His pitch count was probably a little elevated in part
36:11
Speaker 3: because of the Cole Keith error and Spencer Torkolsen misplay
36:15
Speaker 3: and a couple other minor mistakes, but even just going
36:18
Speaker 3: five compared to where he had been and helping save
36:20
Speaker 3: the bullpen, a little bit can go a long way.
36:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and and of course, like the v
36:28
Speaker 1: Lo conversation was was I mean, it was despite the
36:32
Speaker 1: fact that you overall feel good about Jack Flaherty when
36:35
Speaker 1: you step back and see like how it ended, Like
36:38
Speaker 1: there were moments in there where you thought, as you said,
36:40
Speaker 1: that it was going to go down that path, and
36:43
Speaker 1: and the evidence for going down that path was was
36:47
Speaker 1: quite there.
36:48
Speaker 2: I think he gave up that.
36:49
Speaker 1: Double that was like a ninety one mile an hour fastball,
36:53
Speaker 1: you know, inner third and and you know, and and
36:56
Speaker 1: and then we're kind of off there for a second.
36:58
Speaker 1: But give him credit for correcting it. Like if you're
37:01
Speaker 1: if you believe in a certain version of Jack flaherity.
37:05
Speaker 4: This is a lot.
37:07
Speaker 1: There's a lot to take from this, the great start
37:10
Speaker 1: and then and then being able to write the ship
37:13
Speaker 1: because like you have to kind of piece these things together.
37:16
Speaker 1: When he admits that he has no idea what's going
37:19
Speaker 1: on and it's keeping them up at night, like these
37:21
Speaker 1: are the kind of things that should make him, I
37:24
Speaker 1: guess to keep the pun like you could sleep a
37:27
Speaker 1: little bit better given how the outing went, and and
37:31
Speaker 1: you know, kind of build up from there because if
37:33
Speaker 1: nothing else, Jack Flaherty is streaky.
37:35
Speaker 2: What was it was?
37:35
Speaker 1: He hadn't throwing a ten had a ten strikeout games
37:39
Speaker 1: since he was with the Dodgers in twenty twenty four,
37:42
Speaker 1: and he hadn't had one since earlier in this in
37:44
Speaker 1: that season with the Tigers when he had like twelve
37:47
Speaker 1: or thirteen against the Cardinals, Right, that was that game. Yeah,
37:52
Speaker 1: so like in a way, it was like one of
37:54
Speaker 1: the best things that we've seen from Jack flaherity, even
37:58
Speaker 1: though it's still kind of had that little Jack Flaherty
38:01
Speaker 1: mix in there.
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Speaker 2: Uh so so yeah, speaking of Instagram.
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Speaker 3: Post, Jack is great on Instagram, good, great follow It
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Speaker 3: looks like someone gifted him a nice little bottle of
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Speaker 3: tequila on the off days. So I hope Jack was
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Speaker 3: able to unwind and enjoy himself a little bit after
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Speaker 3: a productive start.
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Speaker 2: There you go, There you go.
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Speaker 1: Kansas City this week, another Sunday night baseball outing for
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Speaker 1: for the Tigers. Obviously division foe we're gonna be we're
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Speaker 1: kind of with the Terroris Schoble injury, we're in the
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Speaker 1: heightened everything is important, you know what I mean, and
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Speaker 1: and division games feel a little bit more important. We'll
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Speaker 1: see if they make me look like a genius or
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Speaker 1: like an idiot for declaring the Royals dead. A couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, but it should be at least a
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Speaker 1: fun out in another kind of another national opportunity. So
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Speaker 1: I'll be curious to see how how how they promote
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Speaker 1: the game and who kind of shows out in the
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Speaker 1: in these big moments over there on Peacock, anything else,
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Speaker 1: Cody before we jet out of here.
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Speaker 3: No, I think we covered the big topics. It was
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Speaker 3: a long home stand. It felt like a month or
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Speaker 3: more that those six games. I think the mood, you know,
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Speaker 3: the schooble thing we talked about, was kind of heavy
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Speaker 3: by the end of the Fromer thing. By the end
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Speaker 3: of the home stand just felt kind of dark.
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Speaker 1: Man.
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Speaker 3: It was pretty bleak, but maybe just having an off
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Speaker 3: day everyone, Like we said, you know, it can decompress
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Speaker 3: a little bit. Sipped some tequila out by the lake,
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Speaker 3: and maybe you can come back to the yard on
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Speaker 3: Thursday feeling a little a little better. The roster is
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Speaker 3: not in great shape. This team's banged up, but it
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Speaker 3: is a long season. If they can get some more
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Speaker 3: unexpected contributions like we saw from Ti Matten, like we've
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Speaker 3: seen from plenty of guys over the past two years,
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Speaker 3: they have a chance to stay afloat and be just
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Speaker 3: fine when they get back to full strength. But that's
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Speaker 3: really the question, like what is the level of play
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Speaker 3: going to be for the next month or two until
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Speaker 3: you get Schoogle, until you get some other guys back.
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Speaker 3: There's a silver lining again. This team is really just
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Speaker 3: not played its best baseball yet. And most likely you
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Speaker 3: have to think they're gonna get hot and have a
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Speaker 3: good stretch at some point in the year. And and
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Speaker 3: and we haven't, like that is still to come, most likely.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we haven't. And everybody knows who these guys are,
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Speaker 1: so I don't have to listen them off, but we
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Speaker 1: still haven't seen a lot of dudes that you know,
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Speaker 1: for this team that go far are gonna you're gonna
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Speaker 1: have to get like some best version of themselves or
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Speaker 1: like have some pop stretches. And there are some dudes
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Speaker 1: that you know can have not had those pop stretches.
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Speaker 1: So good hap at any point maybe uh maybe this
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Speaker 1: weekend in Kansas City, the most overrated barbecue city in
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Speaker 3: Facts texts barbecue for every baby.
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Speaker 1: We can uh, we can leave it there. I want
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