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Know the Enemy: Virginia · Boundary Corner Podcast

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Music. And welcome back to the Boundary
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Corner Podcast, along with my partners Brian Siegler, Shelton
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Moss, and Jonathan Talley. I am Curtis Wilson and this
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and QS. Already on that shit we.
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Gonna hold it down, We gonna hold it.
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Down you might. Lose it too weather acting crazy
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here. So November rain here.
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And that is the best 90s ballad treadmill horse.
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I know you're out there listening tonight.
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That is the best 90s ballad. At least the ones you listed at.
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Least the ones you listed. So how's everybody doing?
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It's Tuesday. It's been raining all day, man.
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I've been. This is, this is my one and only
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day of work this week. So you worked.
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One day. I worked one day.
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I was working from home today, pretty much making sure that
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there weren't any fires that needed pudding out.
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Since it was just I think one other person on our team that
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was kind of hanging in there. So just just there to provide
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backup and you know, make sure nothing goes crazy.
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Thankfully, thankfully, nothing went crazy.
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So. Sheldon, what about you?
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I see you're still in Charlotte. You in Charlotte for the
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holidays? Yeah, so I'm I'm in North
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Carolina for holidays, going to go to my my family house in my
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cousin's house in in Apex, NC so, so stay in the Tario state,
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but I can enjoy the weekend and then I'll be in Tampa, FL this
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Saturday for the Charlotte football game.
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They're playing down at South Florida.
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So going to go see Raymond James Stadium, home of the Town Bay
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Buccaneers. Looking forward to it.
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Go find the pirate ship. Go find the pirate ship.
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Tally. What about you, man?
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How's the day been? Been pretty good, man.
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You know it's Thanksgiving week. Time to eat, drink, be merry.
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All of that stuff. Find you some good moonshine.
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You may need it. We don't know.
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Who you rooting for? I don't know who you betting on,
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but moonshine will make it much better.
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I was telling Tally before we got on Curtis that tomorrow
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night is the drunkest night of the year in in the United States
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of America. More people drink on the day
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before Thanksgiving, the and the other night of the week of the
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year. So get get ready.
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Get like Tally said, get you some moonshine, get you
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something nice and nice to keep you warm.
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Maybe we should have divided into tomorrow night.
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We could have gotten drunk. Let's.
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Do it again. I can get drunk tonight because
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I'm not working tomorrow, but you know.
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I'm working tomorrow. We already got like we already
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got the phone call, like, yeah, work, work a little while, you
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can leave a little bit early. 132 you could kind of just start
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heading out the out the building, yeah.
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So yeah, all right, lots on load tonight.
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Y'all. Obviously Hokies lose, as Brian
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said, the closest blowout ever 3528 against the Wolfpack on
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Saturday afternoon. So we're going to definitely be
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talking about that. We're definitely going to tell
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the truth Tuesday. We are also going to be breaking
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down UVA Little hate week here. A lot of hate pouring out.
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A lot of hate started with their fucking loudmouth quarterback on
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Saturday afternoon. I better be in every fucking
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locker room with that. Everybody's, everybody's,
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everybody's for a little thing, but let's flip news and notes
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before we kick over to tell the truth.
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Choose down. Let's start with hoops and let's
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talk about men's. Basketball they down wall for
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just the other night by I believe 20.
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Plus I saw bits and pieces of that game.
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They shot well. Little shocker, Boise tomorrow
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or Thanksgiving night and then Auburn Lumen next week.
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I'm going to kick it to all of y'all.
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If the Hokies go blank, they will have a good season over the
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next. Two in those games.
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In those two games. It's so hard to say in
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basketball because it doesn't matter until conference play
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starts. Like that's where you figure out
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who your team is. So if we had to put something on
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it, one and one, but even if they if they go O and two, I
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don't think it defines the season.
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I think they got to win too. I mean I'm just projecting for
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the ACC tournament because they don't really have a ton of
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opportunities for quality wins assuming they don't beat Auburn.
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So depends, I don't, I don't know, it depends how the ACC
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stacks up in terms of how they're projected with the the
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networkings and all that stuff. I don't know if it's going to be
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a proceed to the quick conference.
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So because of that Tech has to do well the non con.
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So I think it's a pretty big, I think it's a pretty big
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tournament. OK, so.
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Yeah, I I think it's a two and O situation too, for the same
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reason, Sheldon said. This is where you got to build
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your resume. This is the time to do it.
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You know I don't as as Sheldon said, I don't think the ACC is
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perceived as a good conference. It's going to depend on how in
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that kind of second tier they fall.
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So that that's really going to kind of determine the strength
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there. So getting all the wins you can
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in the non con is going to be very important.
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Let's go to and O let's let's take this into December on a on
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a high note here. Yeah, I'm.
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I'm with y'all. I think it has to be two and O
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if anything is to build the confidence to play again.
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Boise perceived as a good team, they lost by 17 to Clemson just
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the other night and Auburn is a good team.
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I think it's confidence because after those games they basically
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have following week, they open conference play with Louisville.
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So if you go in there, you go one O, 1 or O and two.
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I mean the confidence is going to be down.
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This team needs the confidence. Hey, because of what tally, I
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think what Y'all said, this is a shooting team.
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They're shooting. Team shooters need confidence.
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So let's see how that shakes out.
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It is Thursday night at 8:00, so I'll be watching the Niners
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here, the Hokies here. All right, Women's, they
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struggled a little bit with UNCG.
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They've got a couple of Kansas, then Tulane this weekend, Friday
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and Saturday. LSU looming next week.
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I don't. Y'all y'all tell me.
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Not until we get to the LSU game.
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Are you worried? Like, honestly, and I mean, are
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y'all worried about any of these teams coming up?
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I mean. No, I mean I wouldn't call them
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necessarily a warm up, but they're certainly not, not any
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teams that going to I think press this wall to wall so.
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LSU got some bullshit going on down there right now, too.
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So yeah, maybe, maybe we can, you know, sneak around and blow
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them out. Angel Reese not dressing out for
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a game or got benched or something, we got all kind of
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stuff going on early this season.
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Yeah, and that's not helping them gel with, you know, a
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couple new pieces that they brought in.
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So it'll be interesting to see if they, you know, able to put
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those pieces together between now and then.
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And you know, I I still like our chances regardless.
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They definitely play a more physical brand of basketball
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than we do. So it's going to be interesting
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to see if we can match that that that was a problem in the
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tournament last year. It was.
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So you know, if if we can either, you know, get a lead
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where that becomes less of a problem or you know, at least
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match some of that energy to kind of offset that a little
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bit, I think we'll be all right. Showing anything on this,
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that'll be fine, I think. I think Kansas will be a good
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test and I'll see when they when they get there, but kind of like
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what Ty was saying like non conference games especially for
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this team, just not the biggest deal in the world.
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Like they we know that they're going to be high seed.
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So it'd be it'd be nice to win obviously for the resume and you
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know maybe for for the social media right bragging rights as
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well. But.
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It's bragging rights. It's confidence too.
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And as much as that people, you know, we're we're down about the
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Iowa loss. You playing with one of the best
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teams in the country, you're right there.
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Go to LSU, get that win and just, you know, just keep the
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building, keep building. Yes, we have been waiting.
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I have to watch that since this Saturday.
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Hokey Nation, 54231. More piece, One more piece,
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hokey wise, and I got to turn to one other thing.
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College football wise. Wrestling.
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Big win Up at Piscataway. They take out the number 15
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Rutgers Scarlet Knights. That was a good win on Friday
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and over the weekend the Keystone Classic.
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Wrestling's crazy because there's another thing going on
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tonight up at Penn State. I was reading like where.
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Like some of the best in the country are competing.
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It's like an All Star thing. That shit's crazy.
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But Keystone Classic up in Penn. Kayla Penson won.
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Bryce Adonian won. Andy Smith won.
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Hunter Cackle won. They take 4 championships up
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there, which is pretty daggone good.
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And it's much like women's basketball, right?
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Kind of the way we view it, It's like we're going to be good.
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We're going to send people to the Nationals.
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We're going to compete for the ACC title.
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It's just I like to just see the accolades, right?
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Because when you see those guys winning the tournaments, having
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a good, having a good duel, it's like this is the confidence we
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need for some of those guys. Yeah.
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I think it's all about building up that confidence and kind of
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taking some of those that momentum into the conference
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time and seeing how you can build off of that.
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All right. Don't they have anything on the
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wrestling? Nothing.
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Shelton Alley? Nope.
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All right, one piece. I tell y'all.
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I keep up with hirings and firings.
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Dino Babers got fired the other day up at Syracuse.
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So now the run of the muck of how many people are interested
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in that job is going up and down.
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There's two more pieces, actually.
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I mean, I guess if you're a long 10 year at OC or DC and they
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offer you a job, you take it, all right?
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Right. I mean, who can?
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Who can win in Syracuse? It's a tough job.
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It's a tough job, you know, It's just a tough football job.
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So not talking shit about them. But you know, I don't know.
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I don't know who can win there. It's not the 90s anymore.
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It's not, it's not and it and it's crazy to think if you go
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back and look in the history books that from like the mid 80s
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to the early 2000s, they were a legitimate top 25 program year
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in, year out. You know, we had our wars with
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them. Everybody.
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Always. It was it 9797 game always hurts
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a little bit. All right, One more piece and
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everybody follows it. Saw it.
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I mean it. The tea leaves have been there
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for the last about six weeks, but Marcellus Barnes Junior
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Decommits over the weekend officially puts it out there.
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I think for I think for US, US 4 here, it's not a shock.
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Yeah, once. Once Georgia was starting to
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push hard, you kind of got a feeling that that was going to
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go the way it did. It's that's a hard one to win
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heads up you know especially for a player that you know has is
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kind of that lower, you know from a ranking standpoint that
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you know high 3, low 4 like getting that offer is pretty big
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for him so. You know best of luck to him you
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know looks like George is is the is the go there so sucks.
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But I think we're we're we're on to the next, so we'll see what
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what comes down the Pike here. What's even more important, or
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more interesting, is as soon as he decommits, his ranking shoots
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up. Shut up.
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I'm just saying. Shut up.
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Oh yeah. Ranking.
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Ranking goes up. Hold on, We need.
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To Oh yeah, drop to a composite 3 before he decommitted and then
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I think he's back to a composite 4 if I'm not mistaken.
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He is, he's, he's he's almost a 90 now.
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Yeah, I'm telling you. Where's Matei?
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Call Matei, everybody. I'm telling you man, hey, they
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have to pay for subscriptions one way or the other.
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When certain people start. When some people.
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When certain people start. Sneaking around, the rankings
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get a little bit different. We need this team to stay here.
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We need this team to stay here. We need this team to stay here.
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They know how it works, man. You.
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Conspiracy theory. You got a conspiracy?
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Theory and a conspiracy they keep showing us.
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I mean, they're making it easy. Make it.
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They make it super easy. He decommits from Virginia Tech
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as ranking goes up. What the fuck?
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If Georgia doesn't give an offer, he comes back as he going
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back to an 87.75. Expeditiously.
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We're talking about before he has to show you got anything on
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this, man? I know it's tough to give up
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recruiting with all you're doing.
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Yeah, I know. I just only thing I would say I
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saw someone on social media. This happens a lot.
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Say something like, well, why would he, You know, you go to
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Georgia when you could be like a star at VTi think that's kind of
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a worked way of looking at it. I mean, you figure you go to
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Georgia, you've got the best coaches on the planet, best
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facilities, the the most exposure, nil money NFL draft
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opportunities. I mean, it's kind of a no
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brainer. So I just think it's, it's just
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a losing battle. They've got the money, they've
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got the the winning, the success.
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Just not something I'd overreact to too much.
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All right. Well.
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This has not been a very happy and we don't get even unhappier
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here and we got to tell the truth Tuesday and you know you
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all know the way we do this we always going to start with what
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went well and I'll fire this one right out the the the boys
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didn't quit the whole game. No, down, down 21 and fight all
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the way. What else Y'all got Anything
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else y'all noticed before we jump on the offensive, defensive
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sides of the ball? Just kind of in general about
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this game. Excuse me?
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Drone can throw the ball, I mean.
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Oh yeah. I don't know if he's developed
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into that, but he definitely can throw it.
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So I was told earlier in the season that he was, he was
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struggling, he was struggling throwing the, throwing the deep
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pass, so. I'm just saying he's progressed,
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if that's what the case is. Well for sure.
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I mean you take a look at what he did.
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I mean those home run pass plays like I mean he he he is.
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Every time you see him take those he puts them in the right
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spots. He he and knock on wood damn it
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he is not an under thrower on a deep shot.
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He's not. He puts it over their head and
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that's why you've seen so many drops in the he put it right
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here. And putting you up here, he
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drops the dime or it's going to be slightly out of reach.
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That's the one good thing, Brian.
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Anything else that impressed you with the offense or anything
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like that on Saturday? I mean, I'd say his patience it
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more than anything, waiting for those routes to develop and come
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open and trusting the pass pro was going to give him enough
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time against that pass rush. You know, there were a lot of
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times where you know. Things had to develop on the
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back end for some of those big plays to happen.
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So you had some patience there, was able to deliver accurate
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balls consistently and we were able to move the move the rock
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once we kind of got into that catch up mode unfortunately,
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which is kind of, you know, not not the game plan we had out the
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gate obviously. Yeah, and we're going to get.
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Into the game plan Out of the gate.
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Can I say another thing? XTB is behest.
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Yeah, he's very fast. I mean and and that was one of
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that was such a great pivot play at that point in time in the
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game because and I'm going to mention this in a little while
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here, but when we ran that play to the boundary side, I mean
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everybody from NC State flowed and when I think came back, they
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did not see that coming. They did not see that coming at
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all. Sean, anything on offense you
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can think of that went well in your eyes?
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Watching it, reading over data, Anything, I mean I think it was
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it was a hard game to analyze because the box score stats in
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my opinion and kind of softened up what, you know, we pass on
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the field obviously check couldn't get the run game going
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so they had to kind of play from behind.
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And once NC State got that three touchdown lead, they kind of
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went into a little bit of a shell turtled up so to speak.
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And that's when the the passings, you know, the passing
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kind of opened up. So I don't know if it was just
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them playing prevent. Obviously I like what I saw in
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the fourth quarter from from drones in the passing game.
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I liked how they had some big plays and they struck back when
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NCC scored touch ends. But I just don't know.
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It's hard because I don't know how NC State would have played
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differently if they had only had a one touchdown lead rather than
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a three touchdown. Lead.
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That's fair. That's fair.
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All righty. Now let's go to defensive side
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of the ball because I'm. I will be honest with y'all.
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Was the way I watched this game was very awkward followed on my
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phone the first half. Unfortunately, most of the third
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quarter I had to listen to NC State radio calls and Robert and
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I was calling a perfect game. Y'all.
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I heard that like 6 times. I had to turn radio off twice
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because I got sick to my stomach.
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Luckily, about the time I hit Chase City Bron, the exit there?
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Thank God I picked up Bill and Mike the rest of the drive home.
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But, and then I came home and I watched the game and on defense,
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I like every nothing was right. Like the the play calls were
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bad, they were out of position. They looked lost.
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Do y'all have anything defensively?
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Honestly. Delaney hit somebody hard.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean trying to trying to find
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something. I mean we right, we never really
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got into a groove defensively like they they had us on our
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heels most of the game and I mean you know in the
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second-half, I mean obviously they kind of went a little more
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conservative. That was the only time we looked
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like anything. But again that was more a
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product of their game plan than it was anything that we did
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significantly well. So that that was the most you
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know? That was disappointing.
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And I mean, I don't really think, I can't really think of
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anything that I saw that really stood out to me.
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That's like, yeah, that was good.
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I mean, D line play was all right.
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That's it. But it wasn't spectacular.
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And then what was happening on the back end, it needed to be
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spectacular. And it wasn't.
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All right, well, let's just jump to it.
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Let's go to what went bad. And I'm going to start with
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defense. And Sheldon, I don't know if you
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were able to pull this. But did were you able to find
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what Wolfpack's normal success rate is versus what it was
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Saturday? Yeah.
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So coming to the game, it was around 39%, which ranked 96.
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This game is about 46%. So plus 7% increase kind of
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pretty significant in the context of success rates, I
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think averages around like 40%, something like that.
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But there was also there's also a big discrepancy in terms of.
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Standard downs are passing downs, so obviously standard
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downs like your first and 10s where you could either run or
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pass the ball, NC State 54% there on passing downs, they're
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only about half as successful. So basically when whenever tech
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was not, whenever tech did not force NC State into an obvious
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passing situation, that's when they really struggled.
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And that's kind of what we what I know Brian and I mentioned in
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our preview was like, you've got to get them into passing downs
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and and then when they did, it worked, but they just couldn't
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do it enough. All right, Brian, what else,
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Charlie? What else?
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One of y'all speak up. What else did y'all see that
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went bad in your eyes, 'cause obviously we just had a moment
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of silence up there, 'cause not that much went good.
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I mean Concepcion cooked us a bunch of times, man.
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You know some of it was all those those passing downs, some
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of it was in the run game, some of it was just those quick
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screens. So, but he did a little bit of
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everything and and pretty much all of it hurt us at Different.
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Parts of the game. Yeah.
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He did whatever he wanted to do. I mean, he paid his, his he paid
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his $100 to the neighborhood hooker and he did whatever he
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wanted to do for the night. That's what happened.
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I'm just telling you Brian, that is at 2244 if you're.
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We we didn't get off. We didn't get off the field on
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3rd downs at all like we needed to.
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I mean it's the same stuff when we play bad, it's the same
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things. It's like again, this team is so
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up and down. You look at the same stuff week
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in and week out, whether it's good or bad.
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When it's good it's good, but when it's bad it's bad.
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You know the run fits are horrible.
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We don't get off the field on 3rd downs when we need to.
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You know we. Penalties just whatever, man.
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It's just the same stuff and people get tired of seeing it.
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And I get it. I understand everybody watching
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everybody. If you're watching this later
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on, if you're at work, if you're at church, calm down a little
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bit. You know what I'm saying?
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I get it. You deserve to be mad.
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But you don't have a couple of days.
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Nobody's getting fired. So don't even get your blood
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pressure up because they ain't getting fired, you know?
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Do they need to be fired? Were we saying they need to be
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fired when we blowing people out?
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Like we got to take a whole body of work and look at what we
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need, what we were last year, what we are this year, what we
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need to be next year. It's a lot of stuff to think
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about, man. You start talking about firing
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people and just bringing new people in, then you fucking end
23:08
up like Texas A&M paying a man $76,000,000 to be the same shit
23:14
you've been. Use the same shit you've been.
23:18
You just added some salt on top and the salt was him being mad
23:21
at Nick Saban every week. So.
23:24
I'm just saying, man, I ain't saying that, you know, the
23:26
coaches don't need to be scrutinized.
23:27
But I'm not going to go into the whole let's fire the whole
23:31
coaching staff every week until we actually have something that
23:36
is going to make us better. I mean, I'm the, I'm the type of
23:40
person that you know when, when you're when you're looking at
23:44
something. I need to see what you can do,
23:49
what you can do for me, what you can show me before I will show
23:52
you the door. Yeah.
23:53
And I don't think we're quite at that point yet with with anybody
23:56
on this tab obviously definitely not the head coach.
23:59
But I think we're, I think we're still waiting to see where the
24:04
where the ceiling could potentially be and and and this
24:06
is year 2 of what you know was going to be a multiple year
24:09
rebuild. We're we're talking about a team
24:12
that has shown improvement. But what what they're struggling
24:17
with is consistency. That's the truth.
24:20
And The thing is it happened. And I'm going to, I'm going to
24:22
bring us back to where we were because I'm agreeing with both
24:24
of y'all on what y'all are saying.
24:26
But what? What's frustrating Saturday in
24:30
the most frustrating A. This is a male offense.
24:32
This was not that good of an offense.
24:34
Sheldon had the numbers where they ranked in the country.
24:36
Not a good successful offense, a male offense.
24:39
There are two guys that could beat you.
24:41
We already mentioned conception. He beat us.
24:43
He torched our asses. The other guy was Brendan
24:45
Armstrong, and Brendan Armstrong had his fucking day.
24:49
He ran for, if you an account of those knees at the end.
24:51
He went for well over 100 rushing a ball.
24:54
A lot of was designs and I think what got me a little bit and I'm
24:59
going, I'm going to pitch it to Shell here in a second, was the
25:03
first couple drives. We kind of pegged them.
25:05
We kind of had what their number and then they adjusted and we
25:09
didn't and they scored on five. And I had to hear that from NC
25:13
State as well. When I was on the damn radio,
25:16
five drives in a row, they scored a touchdown.
25:19
And it's just like that's. Just can't give.
25:23
Yeah you can't give that up and don't answer.
25:25
You know you get your defense to go out and you know, I know I
25:28
seen a lot of people saying fire Mars, you know maybe one day you
25:33
deserve to be fired. But against Syracuse?
25:36
I'm just saying like what it what you, you, you, you in a 00
25:41
game going into the second, second quarter you know.
25:45
Your offense has to produce, man.
25:47
You're at home. You got to bring some, you got
25:49
to bring some juice. You got to adjust.
25:51
So I ain't saying that the the defense had a good day.
25:55
I'm just saying it's a it's a collective effort to suck.
25:59
And that's what we did. Let me ask Sheldon, can I pitch
26:02
to Sheldon real quick? Because Sheldon looked up.
26:04
The one thing I was more concerned about every time you
26:06
said the defensive line didn't have a had an OK game in your
26:09
eyes Brown when you looked at the tape?
26:11
I asked Sheldon look up yards before contact.
26:14
What was that Shelton? Did you get to it about how much
26:17
it was pre contact? Before contact, yeah, it was
26:21
probably about say 55 yards. So think about that 55 yards.
26:27
They ran about 40 run plays. It was a yard and a half before
26:34
we were touching them. On average a yard and a half.
26:38
Y'all two boys played up on that front.
26:41
If you're getting a yard and a half push, how's your running
26:44
game going to do that day? Pretty good.
26:50
I mean you, if you can get 3 yards to carry, you.
26:53
All right. You know what I'm saying?
26:55
So we're saying right there with that stat that he pulled up that
26:58
before they got touched a yard and a half.
27:00
And when I started looking more and more, our drops were crazy
27:03
back for some of the linebackers like way off the line.
27:06
And I didn't understand it. I didn't understand it because
27:10
Ryan, you joked last weekend, it's the God honest truth.
27:13
Brendan Armstrong doesn't have the ball, the arm to push the
27:16
ball down there. He doesn't.
27:18
He never has. So by the way, we had our
27:22
defense and this is where I'm frustrated with Marv.
27:24
It's like the only way he could beat you is give him soft zones
27:28
and give him some sort of run lanes.
27:31
The two things you couldn't do, we laid on the platform.
27:34
And that's what makes me mad because I see it here as a
27:37
common football fan. I've talked to y'all I, Sheldon,
27:40
about data and I say you telling me this, play press, stack the
27:45
box a little bit, make them go over the top on you, force that
27:49
they can get off the press. And we didn't do that.
27:51
And we have three really good quarterbacks, and I know we've
27:56
got to have some at safety right now, but we have three really
27:59
good quarterbacks. And that's what pisses me off.
28:02
And it's like, what's going to happen if someone leaves?
28:06
What's going to happen if the next guy doesn't develop quite
28:09
well? Then it's going to be on Chris
28:12
Mark. Right.
28:16
Anything else on defense? I'm sorry.
28:18
I got him a bad guy for a second.
28:20
I mean the the last thing I'm going to say is that, you know,
28:22
we said trick plays were coming, they came, they worked.
28:25
It kind of sucked that, you know, you weren't able to do
28:27
anything with it. Every single trick play they ran
28:30
worked. It's bad, man.
28:35
And again but but that's where it's like I don't believe in
28:38
firing, you know, Chris Moore, Tyler Bowen.
28:41
Nobody's getting fired this year because there's been at times
28:44
where again you've seen all right looks like they know what
28:46
the hell they're doing good calls and some people say, well
28:49
that's against lesser competition.
28:51
Tyler, I go back to what you said earlier this year.
28:55
You talking about when lose by a lot, lose by a little, win by a
28:59
little. Start winning by more.
29:02
The scenario this year is lose you the best three teams in the
29:05
conference, Beat up on the bottom of the conference and not
29:08
and not win by three points. Win by 4 points.
29:11
Beat up the bottom of the conference.
29:14
Right, so. Yeah.
29:17
Yeah, I mean the weird thing is that the with the ACC, there's
29:20
there really hasn't been a measuring stick.
29:23
It's either been, you know, not not playing UNC and not playing
29:28
a couple other teams like that. Georgia Tech, you know, Miami.
29:31
Miami, There hasn't been a lot of middle tier teams on our
29:35
schedule. It's either been bottom 5 or top
29:39
three, so and we're getting another bottom 5 this week, so.
29:45
It. It's it's been really hard to
29:47
get a barometer of where exactly this team is.
29:49
We know we're not a bad team but we don't know how decent of a
29:53
team we are. Shelton Anything else on the
29:56
defence before we wrap this up? Yeah, so I I was having a
30:00
conversation with one of my coaching buddies who who knows
30:03
about scheme and I trust his opinion.
30:05
And I think basically what he laid out to me was when you look
30:08
at the linebacker play for Virginia Tech, you see the same
30:12
issues with regards to force and spill and lever over and over
30:16
and over again from the same players.
30:18
And so I think it's reasonable to question if this is a
30:20
coaching problem, given that it keeps happening over and over
30:23
again. But what he also said was, and I
30:26
agree with this, I I think that that whole lineback room needs a
30:29
makeover. I just, I don't think those guys
30:31
have the instincts with we're playing a bunch of converted
30:33
safeties now. If we get some studs coming in
30:36
next year and we still have the same problems, then it's
30:38
definitely a coaching issue. But I just, I would like to see
30:42
a a a Marv coach team that has guys with with instincts and a
30:46
good feel for that position. Yeah, 'cause when you look at,
30:50
you look at the conference man. And no disrespect to our guys,
30:53
but. I think they're working hard,
30:55
but like Sheldon said, I mean, we got a lot of converted
30:59
safeties in the linebackers, you know what I mean?
31:01
And. You.
31:02
Look at when you when you look at a linebacker, Virginia has a
31:08
true freshman linebacker. Cam Robinson is a linebacker.
31:14
Peyton Wilson is a linebacker. You know what I'm saying?
31:17
Like, it is much different to have somebody like that playing
31:20
linebacker than even to have Kelly Lawson.
31:24
And I think, you know, I think Kelly Lawson's a good player,
31:27
but as good as he may be for us, there's still a drop off from a
31:33
top linebacker. We just don't have that play
31:35
yet. Allen Tinsdale.
31:37
Hey man, time to be a family, man.
31:41
Join us. Come on, the podcast put you
31:43
some headphones on. You don't got to go out there
31:46
and get beat up no more. It's over.
31:49
You know, Come on up in here and I think what y'all, it's what's
31:52
being reflected here before we move over to the offensive side
31:54
of the ball is that linebacker position.
31:56
It's instincts. Most guys who play that position
31:59
don't move. You are a linebacker mostly all
32:02
of your life. That's it.
32:05
Because what it takes to be that it is a certain skill set.
32:08
What what what Tally saying is can we just get him Andrew
32:11
Tapapuaca at middle linebacker and name name a will.
32:16
You don't have to name the best will we've had, but name a solid
32:19
will and he do good. So yeah, by the way, the only
32:23
player we, we see having good games on the lineman core is
32:27
Jenkins. And why?
32:29
Why you want to? In my opinion, because the star
32:31
is a true hybrid safety. Linebacker Keonta was a safety.
32:35
It's more of his wheelhouse. All right, let's go to the
32:38
offensive side of the ball. Anybody that wants to answer
32:43
this question? Why did it take so long for us
32:48
to open passing game downfield? Why?
32:54
Because it worked. 20 Go ahead bro.
32:59
I was just going to say, I feel like, you know, we we talk about
33:01
this a lot on here that we're a little late with the pivots in
33:09
scrapping the game plan, moving away from the script, all that
33:13
stuff. After your first two drives of
33:16
not having success, you need to mix it up.
33:18
You need to do something different.
33:19
You need to go to something different.
33:21
You don't wait till you're down 14 before you start, you know,
33:26
dialing stuff up because that that's what happened.
33:29
Yes, we went down there, we got a big play to XTB on that
33:34
reverse after the big kickoff return, got it back to a
33:37
touchdown. But then we didn't see the ball
33:39
for like the next 10 minutes because they had a long drive.
33:43
Scored before half came out, scored again to open the half on
33:46
like a 7 minute drive. So I mean it, it was, it was a
33:51
long time before we saw the ball again and we were down 21 by the
33:53
time we did what you got. Tally, hey, similar to what we
33:58
talked about. You know, in some of the other
34:00
games it's like the coaching staff looks at the team and they
34:03
go, yeah, it's going to be a rough one for us.
34:05
Let's see what happens and you know, we'll go from there, you
34:09
know, pick our spots and things. Like when you play on a team and
34:12
you're not. I know we were favorites, but
34:17
North Carolina State was the better team to me, I mean.
34:20
We essentially had the home hook.
34:22
I mean, it was a. It was a pickle.
34:23
Yeah, it was a. Pickle, to me it's like when you
34:27
look at stuff like that, you got to come out swinging, man.
34:30
You know what I'm saying? You got to take some shots.
34:32
You got to hope some good stuff happens.
34:34
You got to send some people, got to blitz some people and and and
34:36
if they beat you, they beat you. You lose it anyway.
34:39
You know when you're playing the top team.
34:41
So I just think, Curtis said before we got on, when you get
34:46
young coordinators, they're like super conservative or they're
34:50
super like risky. You got to be a good mix of both
34:56
and figure out what team you have to figure out what works
34:58
for you. But both of our coordinators are
35:01
like super conservative. It's like that stick is so far
35:05
in their ass. You can open their mouth and and
35:10
and thump it, you know what I'm saying?
35:12
I don't know man. You got to, you got to do some
35:14
stuff different. But again depending on who we
35:17
play to, we play. They call the, they call the
35:19
games different. So it's true.
35:21
But you've also and that's where I like what y'all are saying
35:24
here. Because you've seen those games
35:26
where we didn't divert from the plan and the next thing you know
35:31
the next drive 4 plays touchdown, right?
35:36
And then the drive after that we drive deep, get a field goal,
35:39
then the next one we get on plus side we punt and put them inside
35:42
of 10. It feels like to me it's like
35:45
they have this whole of I know it's eventually going to work.
35:49
I know it's eventually going to work until coach probably goes
35:51
beat. This shit ain't working.
35:53
Do something different OK click. The other part I want to say is,
35:58
and y'all, maybe it's my eyes deceiving me and and y'all can
36:02
disagree. I felt like NC State had some of
36:05
our plays absolutely pegged, pegged.
36:11
The XTB play that was like a what was it?
36:13
A toss toss. It was like a toss left right
36:18
and they reversed it. Watch how they float like, oh,
36:21
we know exactly what they're doing and when you pivoted.
36:24
Nobody was. I mean, they're a well coached
36:26
defense. I mean, you expect that from a
36:28
well coached defense. And that's exactly what they
36:29
got. I mean.
36:32
You know you look at what Wilson was doing.
36:33
I mean he was all over the damn place.
36:35
I mean he was even on that play that you were talking about.
36:38
He was, he was, he was almost walking down.
36:40
XTBI mean he was the second fastest player on the field on
36:43
that play. So I mean it it's it's
36:47
frustrating because you feel like when this team does have
36:51
some early, early success, the coordinator has shown that he's
36:55
he's he'll let his nuts hang a little bit, but when it doesn't
36:59
work out the gate. It takes a little bit too long
37:02
to move on to something different.
37:05
I mean, you don't have to wholesale abandoned your game
37:08
plan to throw in a handful of new wrinkles to give them
37:12
something different to look at and something different to worry
37:14
about. And I'll, I'll go ahead and
37:16
mention it here since it's on the screen there.
37:18
Rex Parker said two to three touches were two.
37:20
Big mistake. Again, I know some of that was
37:23
dictated by the game plan, but you still got to get, you know,
37:25
one of your three or four best players on the field involved in
37:28
the offensive game. Plan.
37:30
You got to get him the ball. You know, if it's nothing, but
37:33
just for him to have some confidence for the next game,
37:36
you got to get him the ball. You got to attempt to get
37:39
involved, Sheldon. Let me ask this though, because
37:41
it wasn't a huge sample size, but how bad were the run grades
37:44
for the offensive line? Yeah, So we can go through them.
37:48
Obviously we didn't run much like you, said Parker.
37:50
Clements was the best, actually, surprisingly enough at 68 and
37:53
then around average you got Berlin Morgue around 63.
37:56
Xavier Chaplin's 60, so those are those are the passing grades
38:00
and then below that Brody Meadows was not great at 50.5
38:04
and then last was Kayden Moore at about 50.
38:07
So kind of some some up and down there.
38:10
I thought it was going to be a lot worse, but maybe that small
38:13
sample size saved them. But we again, it's the up and
38:19
downs and I had someone reach out to me and got to make a
38:22
change and I was like and I made the point.
38:26
On the offensive line you have 3 freshmen getting massive play
38:31
time, right? Massive.
38:35
You have a guy switching positions and we've I know we've
38:38
mentioned this before y'all y'all y'all heard this from us
38:40
before and there are two guys that at best should be your
38:45
depth pieces not frontline starters.
38:48
That's just the truth. And and and now that they are
38:53
much older, it's like if if we do not, I will be disappointed
38:58
in this staff. If we do not go out and get at
39:01
least one, I'd prefer two offensive lineman in the portal
39:05
once it opens up in this. Yeah, you need to, but I get
39:08
what you're saying. You need to.
39:10
We need to all right. Excuse me.
39:14
Don't die, man. Don't die.
39:15
I don't air. I don't know what happened.
39:20
All right, so anything happened Saturday, Y'all were not
39:23
prepared for. I'll kick it over to Segla
39:25
first. I'd say I just our general
39:30
inability to stop that offense consistently, I thought we would
39:32
have no problem, especially in the passing game kind of slowing
39:37
them down a little bit and they kind of did whatever they want
39:40
to most of the game until they got into that.
39:43
Protect the lead type offense there in the late 3rd, early
39:47
fourth quarter. All right, Tyler, what about
39:50
you? Brendan Armstrong turned into
39:52
Cam Newton, what we had him looking like, just letting him
39:56
fall forward, do what he want, do backflips, put his hand in
40:00
his ass, throwing it down. He just did whatever he want to
40:02
do. Our defense.
40:04
Nobody hit nobody. Nobody.
40:05
I mean, it's just a bad showing, you know, We just, I guess to
40:10
sit. To sum it up, we didn't quit,
40:13
which is good. Well, we talked about it in the
40:16
beginning, but. I don't feel like we had fight,
40:19
you know. I don't feel like we had the
40:21
fight that we normally have. It's like we were defeated.
40:26
As soon as they punched us in the mouth, you know, Peyton
40:29
Wilson was talking shit, you know, But you didn't have too
40:32
many people saying nothing back, you know, It's just, oh, shit,
40:34
he good. We can't fuck with him.
40:36
Oh, you got to hit that motherfucker, just like you hit
40:39
everybody else. But we didn't see that.
40:42
We didn't see that Saturday, so we'll see.
40:45
Sheldon, what about you? Yeah, I was most surprised,
40:49
disappointed with how poorly they stopped Brendan Armstrong
40:52
running the football. I know he's a good runner.
40:54
I don't mean to take anything away from him, but his running
40:56
numbers are down for the previous years and I thought
40:59
that Tech did a fantastic job defending the run against Scared
41:02
Trade or against Syracuse and also Cassillon's with BC.
41:05
So it was definitely a surprise that that they struggled so much
41:08
when they when they had success against other quarterbacks.
41:11
Find what you got. You got something on top of the
41:13
tally there? Yeah, I was just, I was
41:15
frustrated in general with, you know, we said it at the at the
41:18
Open, like that was the closest blowout I've ever seen.
41:22
It was. And it was frustrating because
41:25
like Tally said, we got punched in the mouth early and it took
41:28
us way too long to take that shit seriously.
41:35
And I felt like it was really the fourth quarter.
41:37
There was some fight in the fourth quarter where I felt like
41:39
we really started punching back a little bit.
41:43
Right. But it just took too long to get
41:45
to that point and. I'm going to go hold on.
41:47
I'm going to go with Andretti. Nailed it here.
41:50
Because that is coaching. Yeah, to get you guys up to do
41:53
it. I will say that it's coaching to
41:55
get you guys up to do it. But I also will say coming from
41:59
a player who's played and then watching my son, you can coach
42:03
a, you can coach a kid as much as you want.
42:06
You can get them hyped during the when they get in the game
42:10
and somebody hits them and they stand over them and they don't
42:14
get up and push them off or their teammates don't come over
42:17
and help them get up. That's on the, that's on the
42:20
players. Now the coach might go back and
42:22
evaluate for him and be like, hey, when your when your
42:24
quarterback's down the line you got to go pick him up.
42:27
You know, that should already be instilled in you.
42:29
But it's like some games we just we get, we don't, we get in some
42:33
kind of mold and we don't think about that stuff.
42:35
You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, somebody
42:38
hits you and they they they flex over you.
42:40
Nobody comes up to to to help the guy up or push the guy off
42:45
or you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I don't think we have
42:49
enough dogs in the in the trenches on offense.
42:51
You got to have some heart. You got to have some heart
42:54
yourself, so. 100% hundred percent.
42:56
But I do agree, Andrea, it is coaching it.
42:58
Is coaching on that the one thing I'm going to say?
43:00
I was not prepared for. I was not prepared for this
43:03
game, getting over 60 combined points.
43:06
If you tell me we lost a game and it was 20 to 27 or 2128 or
43:12
something lower, this game getting to 63 points just blew
43:17
my mind because the way both defenses have played coming into
43:22
it and then how both offensive run offenses are ran.
43:26
All right, y'all, it's only one week left, So what can we do
43:31
better? Beat the shit out of UVA.
43:37
That's it. That's all you got to do?
43:39
You got You got one more game in front of you for a chance to
43:43
play a bowl game against your rival at Lane Stadium.
43:49
N there is no damn excuse to drop this one.
43:53
This is not a good football team.
43:55
We're about to talk about them after we get up and get back
43:57
from the break here. Go handle your business.
44:02
Yeah, it's Rivalry week. Did I say that right?
44:06
You got it. You said it.
44:07
Robbery week. Yeah, it's robbery week.
44:09
You got to go play, man. You got to throw.
44:12
You throw out the records, You throw out the stats.
44:15
You throw out what everybody's done the rest of the year and
44:18
you just got to go play. I mean, that's what you can do
44:20
better this week. Whatever ritual you got to have.
44:23
Wake them up at 5:00, throw water on them.
44:27
Tar and feather. I don't know what you need to do
44:30
to get hyped, but I do know they've already made some
44:34
comments about how they going to beat you when they beat you.
44:37
They're going to be back on the national stage to beat a fucking
44:41
5 and 16 whatever. But anyway, you got to go and
44:46
you got to win. That's what you got to do.
44:48
Because you really do need that bowl game and you do need those
44:51
extra practices and you need to you need to be able to recruit
44:55
and tell people that hey, we're missing one piece, we're missing
44:58
2 pieces. We bring you in.
45:01
We go from a bowl team to hell. You could be a playoff team.
45:06
I ain't saying we're a playoff team, but look at Louisville
45:09
next year. Maybe the playoff team.
45:12
Yeah, 12 teams. Sheldon, you got anything?
45:16
No, look, just win is a win, man.
45:18
I mean, I don't I expected to be a dogfight this Saturday and if
45:22
they come out on top, that's all I care about.
45:24
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And now let's get to go. It's a little hate week.
47:10
Know the enemy as we take a look at the UVA Cavaliers.
47:15
And we are going to flip to the offensive side of the football.
47:19
As always, Brian, I give you the honor who we got running this
47:23
show and what do they do? Yeah, we got Dez Kitchings
47:27
running the show here. It's a pro, pro spread scheme, a
47:31
lot of wide zone rushing concepts, likes the deep ball a
47:36
lot. You'll see play action very
47:38
frequently as well, and they score most of their points in
47:41
the first quarter actually when you look at.
47:44
This team, they've done very well kind of out the gate their
47:47
first one or two drives and then slowed down a whole bunch after
47:52
that. So that's something to watch
47:55
for. Obviously with with some of the
47:56
up and down starts we've had either slow starts or quick
48:00
starts and not really a whole lot of steady Eddie, so that'll
48:03
be something to pay attention to.
48:05
All righty. Sheldon, you got anything on
48:09
Anything? This offense does good.
48:12
I mean. Yeah, they've got really good
48:14
wide receivers. I'll see.
48:17
We'll talk about, you know, Malik Washington and knockout
48:20
fields very shortly. But I think it's an offense
48:23
overall that's struggled for the majority of the season.
48:26
So that's why some of the metrics are so bad.
48:28
But you do have to sort of use the eye test and look what
48:30
they've been doing in previous weeks.
48:32
And look at Duke last week, they averaged about 6.3 yards for
48:35
play, which was pretty impressive, put up 30 points.
48:38
So it's. It's a team that has misleading
48:41
stats. I think they have gotten
48:42
significantly better over the past couple weeks.
48:45
All right, some misleading stats.
48:47
And you already mentioned the first guy we're going to talk
48:48
about here today, and that is Malik Washington, A beast, 5
48:56
foot nine, about 190 lbs. He was a transfer guy from
49:00
Northwestern after everything that went up there when he
49:03
originally came out of high school, Parkview High School,
49:06
Lilburn, GA, Class of 2019. He was ranked in an 86.
49:10
And now at his time, while he was up at Northwestern, he did
49:13
have two solid production seasons there, both 20, excuse
49:18
me, both 2021 and 2022 combined for 109 receptions with a little
49:25
over 1200 yards there. But this season he is absolutely
49:29
blown up. 96 receptions, 13111 yards, 9 touchdowns.
49:35
Brian What does he bring to the table?
49:38
Yeah, he's kind of an all around slot guy.
49:40
He's a deep threat and a yak threat.
49:42
They like to use him a lot of the screen game, quick pass
49:45
game, but also they'll throw the ball deep to him.
49:48
Very elusive in the open field. Definitely their biggest
49:51
offensive threat by a mile. All right, and Shelton, let's
49:55
get a little bit of grades on Malik Washington's because I
49:58
believe, if I'm not mistaken, he is a balletical semifinalist.
50:03
Yep, he is really, really good. So.
50:05
Highest graded wide receiver in the ACC at 91.2, which is
50:08
insane. He has the highest reception
50:11
percentage, so that's percentage of targets.
50:13
He catches the highest yards per route run, most yards after
50:16
catch, most first downs, all ACC, and he does not have a
50:20
single drop the entire season. So that's his, that's his body
50:23
of work. He is a he is a exceptional
50:25
whiteout. Tally, what does he catch your
50:28
eye with 'cause you? Said Beast as soon as I dropped
50:29
his name. Just good, man.
50:31
He's tough. He's not very big, but he's just
50:35
he looks like a running back. You know like he's he's he's got
50:38
a little bit of weight to him. When he gets the ball like you
50:41
said, y'all stop to catch like he makes people miss.
50:44
He's tough. He continues to run.
50:46
He's not going down with one hit.
50:48
So those D BS got the, I mean we've talked about is our
50:54
secondary good or you know, our secondary stats may be
50:58
misleading or not. You know, there's been of
51:01
arguments about that. So they'll have their chance to
51:03
see, because whoever's lined up against him, that motherfucker's
51:07
coming for. You hell, we've argued about it
51:09
on here man. And like, you know, like you
51:13
said, I mean he, he finishes runs.
51:15
He kind of reminds me of like unfortunately kind of a little
51:18
bit of you know conception last week except you know he's deep
51:23
into his college career at this point.
51:25
So he's a, he's a developed player whereas Concepcion still
51:27
a freshman and. Kind of get his his legs under
51:30
him here a little bit. By the way, y'all know his You
51:33
don't have any times he's been held under 100 this year,
51:37
probably 1. Twice.
51:40
One was 97, the other was the opening game against Tennessee,
51:43
and he only had 29 yards. So definitely a beast there.
51:47
And as is the other opposite of him.
51:51
And that's, excuse me, that's Malachi Fields. 6 foot four, 220
51:58
lbs. Came out of Monticello High
52:02
School in Charlottesville. Stay at home, baby. 8
52:06
Legitimately, I mean it might be 6 miles between the high school
52:11
and where UVA is. He was a deposit 82 coming out
52:17
just 48th in the state of Virginia.
52:19
So obviously he has developed pretty well and so far the
52:22
season he does not quite have the stats.
52:26
That his buddy has but 52 catches, 722 yards, 3 touchdown
52:33
run. Let's call the only six boys
52:36
220. I think his game's a little bit
52:37
different than Mr. Washington. Yeah, I mean he's a little bit
52:42
more one-dimensional than than. Malik is primarily a deep
52:47
threat. Most of those routes are ran
52:49
past the 15 yards, but he he will also.
52:52
They'll hit him on some of the short stuff, like the the quick
52:55
hitters. They'll also go with like, you
52:57
know, the hooks and curls to kind of move the sticks with
53:00
him. So he's kind of a guy that is
53:01
going to catch the short stuff and kind of do The Dirty work
53:03
outside or they're going to send him deep.
53:08
All right, now Sheldon, there's no possible way he can grade as
53:11
good as Washington, but I've got a feeling just looking at his
53:14
data points and look at some of the statistics, he doesn't
53:17
probably grade too shabby. No, it's pretty solid. 15th
53:21
highest created ACC wideout yards per catch pretty OK at
53:25
Brown 13.9 He's not a big yards after catch guy and he's also
53:30
not as sure handed as as Washington is only about a 58%
53:34
catch rate and also lower lower passing red and went targeted.
53:37
But the main reason for that, if you want context, is that he has
53:41
a very high depth of targets, so about 14.6 yards is how deep
53:45
he's targeted. So obviously more, more deep
53:48
balls, obviously harder to catch.
53:50
So that kind of explains the contacts of the members, but
53:52
still a very a very good pass catcher.
53:56
Hey, Tally, two things. Anything on this guy?
53:58
And then I just sent you a message.
54:00
Quick, a quick look at it on our screen here.
54:02
But you got anything on this guy?
54:04
Did you get to watch him or see any highlights from him like you
54:06
did Malik? Yeah, he's just, he's just a big
54:11
wide receiver man. He's a you kind of a match up
54:13
nightmare when you start looking at his size like you said he can
54:17
move the change for you. Good downfield receiver, he's
54:22
he's shown it by the yards that he has, but once again comes
54:27
down to our defense. You know, they played some good
54:28
defenses, they played some good players, but you know, we'll see
54:32
what our, what our secondary can do.
54:35
Yeah, we'll see how the secondary can do and we're going
54:37
to talk about a few more offensive players than we
54:39
normally do this week. Y'all because the next guy I
54:42
want to talk about is I do want to talk about the quarterback
54:44
and that is Anthony Calandre, A6 foot, 200 LB quarterback out of
54:53
Lakewood High School in St. Petersburg, FL.
54:55
A consensus 84 when he came out back in the class of 2023.
55:00
So he is a true freshman. He has played a lot, the red
55:03
shirts already gone from him. Not a lot of crazy offers.
55:06
Middle Tennessee. Buffalo.
55:08
So not a highly touted guy coming back.
55:11
Probably his next best offer was probably Kentucky, but we don't
55:15
know how committable offers are. So far this season he's played
55:18
in seven games, and in those seven games we have 17115 yards
55:27
at about 62% completion percentage, 11 touchdowns, 8
55:31
interceptions. Also two fumbles lost.
55:34
LeBron, What's he showing on the tape there?
55:39
Yeah, he's kind of a past first dual threat guy.
55:41
He's got enough wiggle to be dangerous, but he's not like
55:44
elite in that category. Great accuracy on deep balls,
55:48
that's what he likes to throw the most.
55:51
Really good at maneuvering in the pocket to buy time.
55:54
Just average to mid, you know, when it comes to reading in the
55:58
intermediate area of the defense, especially over the
56:01
middle. Generally looking to drive the
56:03
ball down field or check it down.
56:05
He's not hitting a lot of those intermediate targets
56:07
consistently and he will throw some picks as you alluded to
56:11
there with the with the 11 to 8 ratio he'll he'll let the ball
56:15
go to the defense. So, so that's an opportunity we
56:17
have to get some turnovers and get some points on the board.
56:21
All righty. Tally.
56:24
Were you able to find it? Yeah.
56:25
So, as reported by Mike Barber, UV as quarterback says quote
56:32
after the game versus Tech. After we beat Virginia Tech,
56:36
this program is going to shoot up and everybody in the country
56:40
is going to know about us, UN quote.
56:43
Any comment on that, Mister Talley?
56:44
For a team that's three and eight, hey man, he trying to he
56:50
trying to let his nuts hang, you know, he got, he got his rival
56:54
coming to his house. He's feeling good coming off of
56:57
his third win of the season. I'll probably be talking some
57:00
shit too you know but you got to be hey, TI said it best don't
57:06
let your mouth write a check your ass can't cash.
57:09
So we going to see we going to see what this defense going to
57:12
do. The last thing I would do as a
57:15
as a three win team is try to add fuel to you know the other
57:20
team fire but. He's LED this nut thing, but
57:23
he's LED this nut thing that, you know, if if they beat A5,
57:26
win Virginia Tech, they're all of a sudden the national.
57:29
A A-Team to watch on a national stage that that's kind of a
57:33
that's an odd flex, but you know a freshman flex a.
57:38
Freshman flex day, yeah. You know what I got?
57:41
I got in trouble with one of those against Bridgewater too.
57:43
So back in the day. So I'm not going to let.
57:45
I'm not going to get it get down on him too much all.
57:48
Right. Sheldon, anything on Calandra
57:50
that you noticed stat wise anything like that?
57:54
He really struggles a lot when he's blitz.
57:56
I also found in terms of average time to throw about 2.7 seconds
58:01
which is middle of the pack. He's very good when he has at
58:03
least 2.5 seconds to throw, which is where the PFF makes the
58:07
cut off, but struggles a lot with less than 2.5 seconds.
58:10
Now some of those splits can be, you know, not exactly what you
58:13
think. Sometimes a guy might have a
58:14
better passer rating when he has less time to throw because if
58:18
that's what the offense demands, like you know you get the ball
58:20
out quickly, but in UV as case they need more time to throw
58:23
because they are. A little bit more reliant on
58:25
deep balls, and obviously those routes take longer to develop.
58:28
So when he has at least 2.5 seconds, about 17 yards, average
58:33
depth of target, and when he's less than 2.5 seconds to throw,
58:37
he's run for interceptions. So bottom line, and we'll talk
58:40
about this in our keys to the game, Get to the quarterback A.
58:45
100% get to the quarterback. All right, we're going to talk
58:48
about one more guy here, Brian. We're going to talk about Kobe
58:50
Pace. Running back 5 foot 10215 lbs
58:55
Cedartown, GA came out 247 as a three star.
58:59
One of the top 35 running backs in the country when he came out
59:02
last year. Again this is another true
59:04
freshman in this case and if you take a look at his sort of
59:08
profile recruiting, he went to Clemson first.
59:11
He was in Clemson, excuse me, as a transfer.
59:14
So he is a third year player here.
59:16
Had a lot of good offers coming out of high school.
59:19
I'm seeing on here Auburn, we're seeing Duke, we're seeing some
59:22
interest from Georgia Tech, Michigan, Nebraska, NC State.
59:25
So he was definitely one of those players that a lot of
59:28
people pegged And so far this season, solid season so far,
59:33
well, maybe not solid, kind of like 368 yards, only one
59:37
touchdown, less than 3 1/2 per carry.
59:41
And Brian, you've already mentioned a little bit about him
59:44
earlier, but let's let's just break it down.
59:47
Yeah man, Much like your boy hits the whole hard, runs
59:50
through arm tackles, he finishes the run strong.
59:55
He's not as effective outside the tackles as he is between the
59:58
tackles. I think Curtis is freezing up on
1:00:00
us here again there, So we caught a little bit of this
1:00:02
before we went live, so ignore the the, the awkward freeze
1:00:08
frame here. But yeah, pace is not a home run
1:00:12
threat. He's not a guy that's going to
1:00:13
get a ton of yards. As he's as he's running there
1:00:17
he's more of a guy that's going to kind of get those gashes here
1:00:20
and there move the sticks get that kind of you know good five
1:00:23
or six yards on 1st down. But but he's not a guy that's
1:00:27
going to be a home run threat. But the way they are able to hit
1:00:30
the the home run threat to the passing game he's really a good
1:00:32
compliment for what they're doing right now and and I'll
1:00:37
just kind of go ahead and pivot since Curtis is is is is Mia
1:00:40
here let's go ahead and talk about the offensive line because
1:00:43
that that's always what we are we are offensive line podcast
1:00:48
here so we got we got to talk about the offensive line and
1:00:51
overall this is a bad unit guys it's really hard to even say
1:00:55
what they struggle with the most.
1:00:57
When I look at it on tape, rushing attack is is good enough
1:01:02
at times to complement the deep ball, especially with pace in
1:01:05
there because he can kind of get some of those extra yards when
1:01:08
he's dragging defenders and things like that.
1:01:10
But they go for long stretches where the running game kind of
1:01:14
can get stale on them and that that hurts their passing game.
1:01:17
And they also surrender a lot of sacks.
1:01:19
So really there's no good metric for them.
1:01:22
I mean, I can let Sheldon talk about their their numbers a
1:01:25
little bit here, but just looking at them on tape, they're
1:01:28
not really good or stand out in any one area.
1:01:32
We need to find who that Parker Clemens is and attack that
1:01:35
motherfucker, whoever he is. Go in here.
1:01:39
Yeah, for sure. Well you mentioned the running
1:01:41
backs their their running back explosive play numbers are
1:01:44
pretty bad. I mean I know that you know pace
1:01:47
and and Hollands are you know at the bottom of the barrel in
1:01:50
terms of you know generating big plays in the running game.
1:01:52
Now some of that of course you know obviously the offensive
1:01:54
line. So you know just digging into
1:01:56
some of their numbers, pass protection, it's been really,
1:01:59
really bad for UVA. So they have the second worst
1:02:01
pass block efficiency grade in the ACC.
1:02:04
They leave the ACC and sacks and total pressures allowed.
1:02:08
So UVA is you know, they they don't throw the ball necessarily
1:02:12
a huge amount. It's probably middle of the
1:02:13
pack. But the fact that they're
1:02:15
getting up so many pressures, with that being said is is
1:02:18
pretty is a is a pretty bad sign for them.
1:02:20
So they just they haven't been able to do anything on the
1:02:22
ground. They have not been able to
1:02:24
protect the quarterback and you know, as you can see it's a it's
1:02:26
a struggling offense. Yeah, I mean they definitely
1:02:31
struggled just watching them. It's been very up and down.
1:02:33
Even in the Duke game where they had some stand up moments on
1:02:36
offense, they would have stretches where they just
1:02:38
struggled to move the ball. So it's going to be interesting
1:02:41
to see, you know, if we can come out and set the tone a little
1:02:45
bit defensively and kind of get them out of what they like to do
1:02:48
and what they do well. And if we're bringing bringing
1:02:50
those pressures, like like Sheldon alluded to, if we're if
1:02:52
we're blitzing them, if we're getting to them quickly with our
1:02:56
edge rushers, how much of a long day it can be for for AC there.
1:03:03
Let's go ahead and flip over to the defensive side here.
1:03:06
You know, this is a John Rozinski defense hybrid,
1:03:11
multiple front scheme. Curtis is back in the building
1:03:15
here. Hey, we made it to defense
1:03:16
without you, man. Good job guys.
1:03:19
Teamwork there, there we go. So as I was saying, this is a
1:03:23
hybrid multiple front scheme predicated on stopping the run.
1:03:28
They bring a lot of different looks and pressures.
1:03:32
They're pretty solid on 1st and 2nd down.
1:03:34
They struggle a lot on 3rd down, not not a lot of sacks either.
1:03:37
They don't get after the quarterback very well.
1:03:39
So that's kind of what you can expect from the defensive side.
1:03:42
From a scheme perspective, Sheldon, I don't know if you
1:03:45
have any any statistics on them that you want to bring in before
1:03:48
we move on to the players here. Yeah.
1:03:51
So just a couple, I know Curtis asked about their their dements
1:03:54
of line metrics. So it's been pretty rough this
1:03:57
year they are 121st nationally and success rate against so
1:04:01
right around 46% and their running game, their run defense
1:04:04
has actually been worse 125th and success rate.
1:04:07
So you know they they let up 27 against against Duke.
1:04:11
I mean it just, you know, it's again it's it's a team that's
1:04:14
been up and down, they've been playing a little bit better.
1:04:17
You know, they gave up 45 points to Georgia Tech and then had an
1:04:20
OK performance against Louisville, who obviously has a
1:04:21
really good offense. So it's just a question of what
1:04:24
what UVA team do you get, But certainly the season metrics
1:04:27
would tell you that this is a a a defense and a run defense in
1:04:30
particular that has really struggled all.
1:04:33
Righty. And when I hear something like
1:04:35
that and I take a look at the leading tackler, and that's the
1:04:38
first guy we're going to talk about, it's Jonas Sanker.
1:04:41
Jonas Sanker 6 foot, 190 LB Safety for this team. 97
1:04:47
tackles, 3 tackles for loss, no picks, 10 pass deflections and
1:04:52
several forced fumbles out there.
1:04:54
When he came out in the class of 2021, another one who stayed
1:05:01
home, he went to the Covenant School that might be 10 miles
1:05:04
from UVA's campus. He was ranked as an 85 to 33rd
1:05:08
best player in Virginia. Other interests?
1:05:10
Boston College, Air Force. In Ohio with a few other looks
1:05:16
from FCS school, so not the biggest one there.
1:05:19
But Brian, what are you seeing from him?
1:05:22
Because that is a lot of tackles for a safety regardless where
1:05:26
they play. Yeah.
1:05:28
And you know, we, you know, we talked about it's a hybrid
1:05:30
multiple front. Their base package is a 425 and
1:05:33
he is a true Rover box safety. He's in the box a lot.
1:05:38
They like to bring him on run blitzes and an obvious passing
1:05:41
situation. So they'll blitz him, you know
1:05:44
1st through 3rd down there, hard hitter and solid tackler as
1:05:49
evidenced by the force fumbles there.
1:05:52
He can get turned around in his own coverage though.
1:05:54
They don't use him a ton in that capacity.
1:05:58
But I mean he's he's really the the defensive player that kind
1:06:00
of pops off for them when you when you watch the tape because
1:06:04
he's a he's a little bit of, he's all over the place and he's
1:06:06
making some plays. Hit them up and hit you.
1:06:10
You better hit him. Don't don't shy away from the
1:06:12
contact. You got to start early and
1:06:14
often. You got to go at him and you got
1:06:15
to not be scared so. Exactly.
1:06:19
Yeah, yeah, definitely somebody did.
1:06:22
If you can hit him back a little bit, you can kind of, you know,
1:06:24
take his game back to him and, you know, put him on his heels.
1:06:28
All righty. So again.
1:06:32
It's what Kelly said several times with Brian mentioned what
1:06:35
we've all talked about. Don't let him set the tone.
1:06:40
He comes and hits up through the shoulder into him.
1:06:42
Let him come down with you and talk to shit as he goes down.
1:06:46
All righty. So let's talk about the
1:06:48
defensive line next. As we you know already heard
1:06:50
from Shelton has been some issues there but one guy that
1:06:53
kind of stood out to me was and for Muay class of 2018 was an 84
1:07:00
when he came out. He is from.
1:07:02
Kapola High School in Kapola, Hawaii.
1:07:04
He is a long, long way from home but he is a big boy, 6 foot 2300
1:07:10
and 2 lbs and so far this year So far for his career.
1:07:15
Solid career so far at UVA has been there now six years.
1:07:19
Last two years combining for 62 tackles, 12 tackles for the last
1:07:23
five sacks this year. Not quite the campaign of the
1:07:27
last two years. Only 30 tackles, no sacks, 6 1/2
1:07:30
tackles for loss, but one interesting piece, 3 pass
1:07:34
deflection which is pretty high on this team.
1:07:36
Tells him he likes to get those hands up.
1:07:38
Brian what are we seeing with Aaron?
1:07:41
Yeah, he's he's going to play that 3 technique in their base
1:07:44
package slide to A4, four eye when they're showing those three
1:07:48
man fronts with it, which they'll do on occasion, Probably
1:07:52
their strongest run defender overall, good with his hands and
1:07:55
sheds blocks pretty well. They're in the trenches and
1:07:59
he'll push the pocket occasionally on those drop
1:08:00
backs. But again, this isn't a team
1:08:02
that gets a ton of sacks, but he's definitely got the kind of
1:08:05
speed up the quarterbacks timing a little bit with that.
1:08:08
All right. Sean, you said you had something
1:08:09
on Aaron here. Yep.
1:08:11
So you look at stops on PFF, which is a tackle considered a
1:08:16
loss of the defense. Famaoui is 13 ACC with 19 stops
1:08:21
in the season. So you know his grades aren't
1:08:24
quite a side, but you know he's going to make, he's going to
1:08:26
make a lot of big. Tackles.
1:08:28
All righty, tell anything you notice on tape with him or
1:08:30
anything you notice just reading about him or.
1:08:34
Play them every year. We're kind of familiar with
1:08:36
their players and and how they play.
1:08:38
He's been there for a while and he does his job.
1:08:41
You know, not super flashy, but kind of like Brian says, he's
1:08:44
he's good against the run. He shares, he shares blockers,
1:08:48
good offensive line. Got to do some work, man.
1:08:52
You got to, you got to, you got to, you got to give us some
1:08:54
yards. You know, if they give two in
1:08:56
some room he can, he'll make this defense pay.
1:09:00
But they got to, they got to go get it.
1:09:02
Yeah, big, big thing is getting those a good first step, getting
1:09:06
your hands on him, making sure he's not getting your hands
1:09:08
down, getting like a quick swimmer rip without significant
1:09:12
contact because that's really where he makes his hay is using
1:09:16
those hands and kind of getting away from that blocker real
1:09:18
quick in the snap. So if you can get get on him,
1:09:21
engage him a little bit, that'll slow up what he does best.
1:09:25
All righty Well let's look the one more piece on the defense
1:09:28
here and let's take a look at the linebacker room.
1:09:31
Got a number of guys to choose from.
1:09:32
I I went with the guy that's a little bit closer to Virginia
1:09:36
Tech than the other ones and that was James Jackson the six
1:09:39
foot three, 225 LB linebacker. I believe he is the will on this
1:09:45
team, 84 when he came out in 2021 with the North Cross High
1:09:50
School in Roanoke. I think we're all familiar with
1:09:53
that one and right now I'm having a really good junior
1:09:57
season, Red shirt. Sophomore season, however you
1:09:59
want to say it. 76 tackles, 4 for loss, one pick, one sack, 3
1:10:04
pass deflected as well. Brian What are we seeing with
1:10:07
James Jackson? Yeah, I mean, he's he's not
1:10:11
really that guy that's going to really pop off on tape.
1:10:14
But what he is, he's a very disciplined linebacker in the
1:10:17
run game. He's very few mistakes.
1:10:20
He's not out of place very often.
1:10:23
He's not a guy getting blocked 5-10 yards off the line of
1:10:26
scrimmage. Sheds blockers pretty well.
1:10:29
Sure. Tackler, solid when he's in zone
1:10:32
responsibilities. He does lack some athleticism
1:10:35
for coverage, especially in those man to man situations, but
1:10:39
he's kind of one of those guys that's just, you know,
1:10:42
fundamentals and discipline are pretty good.
1:10:44
So he ends up making a ton of plays.
1:10:47
All righty, Tally. Anything on him?
1:10:49
I know, Tally. You mentioned Robinson, right?
1:10:53
Yeah, Cam Robinson. Yeah, I know we didn't have him
1:10:55
down, but you know recruiting battle that we lost to UVA and
1:10:59
he's a freshman linebacker. That's just he's a good player.
1:11:03
I think he's got a couple of sacks on the season.
1:11:05
I mean a couple of picks on the season.
1:11:07
I don't know about the sacks, but if you watch him play, he's
1:11:10
just sideline to sideline man. You know not.
1:11:13
Of course he's a freshman, so he's not going to be quite as.
1:11:17
A handful, as Peyton Wilson was, but he's a good linebacker.
1:11:21
You know his time there. If he stays at UVA, he'll he'll
1:11:24
do some good stuff there because he's a good ball player.
1:11:27
Yeah, he he's got great athleticism and you know, he's
1:11:31
still learning to play the position at this level.
1:11:34
So he's he's sometimes out of place, he's sometimes not doing,
1:11:37
you know, everything you want him to do.
1:11:39
But he does it fast. He does it at 100 mph and he
1:11:44
looks the part. He doesn't look out of place out
1:11:46
there. So that that's big for a true
1:11:48
freshman. All righty.
1:11:51
Boys, let's click it over and let's talk about the hokey keys
1:11:54
to this game. Brian, you got your name up here
1:11:57
first, so I'm going to let you kick it off.
1:11:59
What do we have to do to have success in this game?
1:12:02
I know it's a broken record, but we need a fast start on both
1:12:05
sides and I'm talking about at least a touchdown advantage
1:12:09
after the first quarter. I said it at the open, they
1:12:12
score a lot of points on their first two drives, probably like
1:12:16
3030% or something of their scoring has come on their first
1:12:20
two drives of the game. So it's a it's a pretty high
1:12:24
percentage. If we can slow them down out the
1:12:27
gate and we can get a A score to ourselves, I'll feel really good
1:12:30
about the way the the game will go after that.
1:12:33
All righty. Sheldon, what you got?
1:12:36
Gotta get to the quarterback, gotta make Calandra
1:12:37
uncomfortable and bring him down.
1:12:39
Like I said, UVA is a team that relies on on deep throws and
1:12:44
when Calandria has time to throw he is very effective.
1:12:47
So when you get APR cooking, I need more from him.
1:12:50
I have not seen as much as I would like over the past few
1:12:52
games. So.
1:12:53
So get him, get him going and get some sacks.
1:12:56
That's that's going to be big and that's how that just, you
1:12:58
know, bring pressure. Trust your quarterbacks.
1:13:00
I think they're going to hold up well on main coverage and I
1:13:03
think the Vt is going to have to outscore UVA this weekend.
1:13:06
Tally, what about you? Time a possession and don't turn
1:13:09
the ball over. Do not turn the ball over.
1:13:13
You win the game. All righty, I'm, I'm going to go
1:13:17
with this one right here, he says.
1:13:19
Don't turn the ball over. Force turnovers.
1:13:21
This team is one of the worst in the country.
1:13:24
They are 116th. They have 18 turnovers this
1:13:29
year, total 18. That's a lot.
1:13:33
That's almost to a game. We need I I think we can get at
1:13:38
least one pick because I think there's going to be situations
1:13:41
because if you look at the data they do get they they they also
1:13:45
give up a lot of sacks. They've given up.
1:13:47
Let me look at this number. She has 37 sacks this year.
1:13:50
They've given up a ton of tackles for loss.
1:13:52
We're going to put them in bad situations.
1:13:55
Colin's going to throw at least one pick.
1:13:57
I think 2:00. We could probably run away with
1:13:59
the game. But if we only get one, it's
1:14:01
going to be tight, and I can definitely foresee one based on
1:14:04
how he plays. Also, he likes to talk shit, so
1:14:07
he's probably going to challenge somebody and get his ass perked.
1:14:10
Don't bail them out on those third and longs though.
1:14:13
No, do not bail them out. Yeah, do not bail.
1:14:16
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around. Let's have a look at it here and
1:14:45
let's go to our predictions. Ron, I don't know what order you
1:14:49
have them in. Do you have Sheldon first?
1:14:51
Sheldon's leading off. We're just going to go back
1:14:53
around the horn to me. All right, Sheldon.
1:14:57
What you got on? This Yep, I think that's going
1:14:59
to be a high scoring ball game. I got Tech winning just because,
1:15:02
well, it's UVA and we own them. So even though I do have some
1:15:06
trepidations about this game, I do think the Hokies will win a
1:15:08
close ball game. So give me Tech.
1:15:10
All right, I am right there with Sheldon.
1:15:15
I've got this as a not quite as high scoring as he probably has
1:15:19
it. I've got it a 30 to 20 victory
1:15:21
for the Hokies. I think we jump out on them
1:15:23
early. I think we establish ourselves
1:15:26
on offense. I think we're making make them
1:15:29
play catch up a little bit where we can tee off on them with our
1:15:33
pass rushers and put them in bad situations, force a couple
1:15:36
turnovers and that's the difference in the game.
1:15:39
All righty. Now I'm next tell you get to go
1:15:42
last. I I I thought I'd go last.
1:15:46
I'm with the Hokies on this one as well.
1:15:47
I think it is going to be. I hope it is not my prediction.
1:15:51
I hope it is. Much worse than my prediction,
1:15:55
but I think the Hokies are going to take this game.
1:15:57
We are the more talented team, we have more experience on our
1:16:00
side and I think we take this game 27 to 20 at Lane Stadium.
1:16:06
N tally, you get to wrap this one up.
1:16:09
Yeah, I'm going to go. I'm going to go Virginia Tech.
1:16:12
I'm going to go Vt on this one. I have been fading.
1:16:15
The Hokies didn't work last week.
1:16:18
I was hoping we get a win when I.
1:16:21
I'm not pick North Carolina State, but I I honestly think we
1:16:23
win this game. Even my prediction before the
1:16:26
season started when I went through and you know, you
1:16:28
picking teams and stuff, I kind of felt like it would come down
1:16:31
to us going there and having to get a win and be bowl eligible.
1:16:35
And I just think that you know it's time.
1:16:39
You know this is this is what we this is what we need to do.
1:16:42
And again with the quarterback adding a little bit more fuel to
1:16:45
the fire, I think that I think we go and get the win.
1:16:48
I don't have a prediction just yet, but I think we get the win.
1:16:51
Yeah, and I and I think it's this and I think it's not only
1:16:54
this podcast, but I think it's team.
1:16:56
I think the coaches and I think this fan base need that bowl.
1:16:59
I think it's a mental thing. There are a lot of people that
1:17:03
are screaming not a successful season, bad season.
1:17:08
If we you know you, you, you, you look at the steps and all
1:17:13
that. I think you go in there and we
1:17:15
take the win Saturday. Things are looking up for a lot
1:17:19
of people, so let let's talk about that a little bit.
1:17:22
Let's talk about that a little bit since we're here.
1:17:24
We can do it. Is is this season a failure if
1:17:28
we don't make a bowl? No, because I mean that That's
1:17:35
been a big, big piece of chatter out there on the Twitter sphere
1:17:40
when I look at it. And I'll shout out PB here
1:17:44
because PB kind of started this discourse.
1:17:48
When we look at whether it's a failure or success, I think it's
1:17:54
a little more nuanced than that because I think there are, I've
1:17:58
seen enough building blocks where I am comfortable with what
1:18:03
we're working with. So I would not call this season
1:18:07
a failure, but it would certainly be a disappointment to
1:18:10
not make a bowl and not make a bowl by losing to your in state
1:18:13
rival that on paper should not beat you.
1:18:17
So it would be a disappointment, but not a absolute failure in my
1:18:21
eyes. Tally.
1:18:23
Yeah, I wouldn't say it to be a failure just because of, like
1:18:28
Brian said, some of the building blocks that we found, you know,
1:18:30
I feel like we found some wide receivers, we found some stud
1:18:34
quarterback, we found a stud running back, depending on how
1:18:38
that goes into next year, knowing what we got.
1:18:42
But. We've evaluated some good talent
1:18:45
and brought in some good talent, so I wouldn't say that the
1:18:47
season is a failure compared to what we did last year, but it
1:18:51
would. It would be disappointing to not
1:18:53
go in and go in and and win this game because of the nature of
1:18:59
the game. You know it's a road game, we
1:19:01
haven't produced well on the road, blah, blah, blah blah blah
1:19:04
blah. We can go into all that, but I
1:19:06
wouldn't say it's a failure. I think, Brian, the way you put
1:19:11
it, it's the. The the the game Saturday.
1:19:14
If we don't win it's losing a battle.
1:19:17
It's not losing the war because the way the war looks like is
1:19:20
we're taking those like you said building blocks.
1:19:22
We're taking steps forward. We're evaluating talent.
1:19:25
We're able to bring people in and tally you mentioned a couple
1:19:28
times especially regardless of our record it it's you go on the
1:19:32
trail and say you know we only brought and I was saying
1:19:35
beforehand drones Tooting Lane. Felton.
1:19:40
And APR on the defensive side, no knock to Canteen.
1:19:43
I think the second day would have been just as solid without
1:19:47
him. We brought in a handful of
1:19:50
players and we have went from getting shit on playing bad for
1:19:56
multiple weeks looking terrible last year until the last week of
1:19:59
the season to. Blowing teams out, being
1:20:03
competitive in other games, three of the five, the six
1:20:07
losses we have right now or two teams that are a combined, if I
1:20:11
can get the math right here, 29 and 5 or 28 and 5:00 that's
1:20:17
three of our losses, 28 and five is their record.
1:20:22
Think about that, so. And two of those losses that.
1:20:27
You know are are on the other side where you hold that because
1:20:30
we need to get the liquor flowing to have that
1:20:32
conversation. The liquor will be flowing.
1:20:35
We're not ready for that one. We're going, we're going to save
1:20:37
that one for December 22nd. Mark your calendar, Evan.
1:20:40
Evan Williams Mark your calendars.
1:20:42
December Evan Williams up top there.
1:20:45
Moonshine Below me, 4 finger Scotches and whatever Shelton's
1:20:48
going to drink that night. All right, whatever.
1:20:51
You're going to drink that night because you let it all hang
1:20:53
loose. All right, well, guess what?
1:20:55
We got other games to pick here because it is rivalry week, and
1:20:58
to me, this is the week that makes college football, right?
1:21:01
We were going through throwing games out there that we were
1:21:03
looking at and this is the week that makes college football
1:21:06
because crazy shit happens this. Week and it's fun to pick up
1:21:10
even when the teams aren't necessarily on the same
1:21:13
trajectory. Record wise, You damn right you
1:21:15
damn right it is. All right, Tally, you got the
1:21:18
first one. What is your pick for this week?
1:21:24
What did I have? Who did I have?
1:21:26
Did I have Ole Miss? And, yeah, the Egg Bowl.
1:21:28
Yeah, the Egg Bowl. Yeah, you be Thanksgiving Day
1:21:32
eating you some Turkey and dressing.
1:21:35
Got to have a cranberry sauce on.
1:21:37
If y'all do gimlet gravy. Put all that on there.
1:21:39
Have your nice plate. Watch the Egg Bowl.
1:21:43
But I'm going to take Ole Miss in that game.
1:21:45
I just, I mean, Mississippi State just fired that coach.
1:21:48
I think Ole Miss is the better team.
1:21:52
All righty. Who's the next one behind there?
1:21:55
Sheldon, who you got on this game?
1:21:57
Mississippi State breaking a new head coach.
1:21:59
You give me all miss, I think. I think Kiffin's going to have
1:22:03
those boys ready to play. All right.
1:22:07
Brian, who you taking? I'm chasing this one with Ole
1:22:10
Miss as well, man. You know when you get a new
1:22:15
coach in there, it's going to go one or two ways.
1:22:17
You're either going to overplay your hand or you going to.
1:22:20
Just come out there and put a dud out there.
1:22:22
I feel like this has dud written all over it, so give me your Ole
1:22:24
Miss. All righty.
1:22:25
So a couple things for for a announcement selection here.
1:22:29
The game is in Starkville so if you got multiple TV's, put it on
1:22:33
the one that you ain't got the sound on unless you want to hear
1:22:36
cowbells all night. That's 1-2.
1:22:41
Mississippi State is one win away from being bowl eligible.
1:22:45
One win 3. Have we not seen some of the
1:22:50
craziest shit in this game over the last like 10 years?
1:22:53
The the home. What was his name that got the
1:22:56
touchdown? Did the dog pissing thing?
1:22:58
They missed the point. Elijah the dog missed the extra
1:23:02
point because they got packed up.
1:23:05
So many wild things happen in this game is a 730 kick.
1:23:09
But in this reality Ole Miss is on the verge of potentially
1:23:12
getting a potentially getting a New Year's 6 bowl.
1:23:18
They're nine and two they go, they do go 10 and two.
1:23:22
I wish we didn't have the hook because I believe it could be a
1:23:26
10 point game, but I'm, I'm going to go with Lane liking to
1:23:29
run up to score and he'll score one late to win by 14.
1:23:34
All righty, what's the next one? Oh, I'm the next one, Brian.
1:23:37
You're the next one. We go out West, we go to Eugene,
1:23:40
OR we go to the Civil War. Oregon State, Oregon, Wow.
1:23:46
That game on Saturday night, I watched just about all I got
1:23:49
back home, watched just about all of Oregon and Washington.
1:23:53
That was a great game to watch. Great game to well matched
1:23:58
teams. So when I looked at this game,
1:24:00
it's a lot of rivalry, a lot of bitter hatred.
1:24:04
Oregon leaving the conference next year.
1:24:06
If Y'all didn't notice, Oregon State and Washington State have
1:24:10
basically been given the OK. They will be a two team
1:24:13
conference next year. I don't know how that works.
1:24:16
But that's fun. That's got to be fucking fun.
1:24:19
Oh my God. But in this case, you know,
1:24:23
Oregon on the doorstep. I think Oregon's already
1:24:26
clinched it. Oregon potentially chance again.
1:24:30
Potentially could win the PAC 12, could potentially go to the
1:24:36
playoffs if things break right. But 13 1/2 is just too much in a
1:24:42
game like this. Especially.
1:24:44
And I know Oregon State is like heartbroken, but ain't nothing
1:24:48
like having the boys just up the street.
1:24:51
Give me Oregon State take the 13 1/2 game a lot closer than
1:24:55
people are predicting. Tally I'm.
1:24:59
Just going to, I'm going to take Oregon, man.
1:25:01
They trying to get Bonix to Heisman, so they're going to try
1:25:03
to let him sling it as much as they can.
1:25:06
Are they going to try to run that score up with a a good, a
1:25:09
good opponent in a rivalry game? I'm taking Oregon Shelton.
1:25:17
Oregon is 8, two and one against the spread of this season.
1:25:20
They're playing hot. I like the Ducks.
1:25:22
All righty. And Mr. Siegelow.
1:25:26
I'm riding with what Curtis is spitting there.
1:25:29
I think this is going to be a tighter game than to think
1:25:31
people looking at. I think it's still probably
1:25:34
going to be a 10 point victory for the Ducks but I think that
1:25:38
it's going to be pretty close there down to the end.
1:25:41
All righty, as Brian puts Oregon State on the board.
1:25:44
Brian, you've got the next one. What rivalry game did you
1:25:47
choose? Had to go with Gators and FSU
1:25:51
after the Jordan Travis situation.
1:25:53
This is going to be a a very interesting match up here
1:25:58
because you got. You know, undefeated Florida
1:26:00
State still trying to keep their hopes alive here for the College
1:26:04
Football Playoff ACC championship is already the game
1:26:08
is already booked there but obviously you know winning the
1:26:11
championship is still at play here.
1:26:13
So this is, this is going to be an interesting match up here.
1:26:15
I think Florida is a good match up, especially with with Travis
1:26:20
out there but I think it's just going to be too much town on the
1:26:24
Seminole side. So give me Florida State.
1:26:28
All righty. Yeah, I'm up next on this one
1:26:30
little Sunshine State showdown. I think Florida State is going
1:26:36
to win the game, but without Jordan Travis, I don't think
1:26:40
they're going to quite blow out Florida like we see.
1:26:42
I think this is going to be a tight one.
1:26:44
I do think Tate Rodhamaker is probably good enough to lead
1:26:47
them over the Gators. All of the Gators are getting
1:26:50
our playing for. Gators are playing for bowl
1:26:55
eligibility so give me the Gators give me the points tally
1:27:01
I'm. Going to take Florida State.
1:27:03
I think Florida's quarterback is hurt as well.
1:27:06
The starting quarterback is hurt, if I'm not mistaken.
1:27:10
Again, Jordan Travis is a amazing player.
1:27:13
I hate that his college career comes to an end like that, but
1:27:18
he got nothing to hold his head down.
1:27:19
I mean he he brought Florida State back to relevancy.
1:27:22
So I'm going to go Florida State and Sheldon.
1:27:27
Yeah, I'm going Florida. I think they're playing on the
1:27:30
road. FSU's playing on the road.
1:27:32
I think they're going to. They're going to take some time
1:27:33
to get adjusted to the new quarterback.
1:27:34
So give me, give me Florida. All righty.
1:27:38
All righty. So we got that one.
1:27:40
Sheldon, you got to pick the next one.
1:27:41
What game did you choose? Well, have to look at it.
1:27:47
I believe I had the game. Is that correct?
1:27:50
Yep. So, oh, how is it in Michigan?
1:27:52
I was just talking about with a friend earlier this evening.
1:27:55
This game might honestly be the most consequential and important
1:28:00
comfortable game in the last 10 years.
1:28:02
I know that might sound crazy, but when you look at what's at
1:28:04
stake with Ohio State potential losing three straight to
1:28:07
Michigan, CFP hopes on the line, National title hopes on the
1:28:09
line, Michigan With all the stuff they've gone through this
1:28:11
season and the the after effect that would happen if they'd lost
1:28:15
to Ohio State, this is such a huge game.
1:28:18
I cannot even put into words how big of a game this is.
1:28:20
So with that being said, I am going with.
1:28:24
Ohio State to cover -2.5 3.5. You got a 3 1/2 cover.
1:28:32
I think the line moved down before we picked it, so 3 1/2.
1:28:35
All righty. Brian, what are you saying on
1:28:37
this one? I think Michigan's got a little
1:28:42
bit of a chip on their shoulder with everything that they got
1:28:44
going on this season. I think that Ohio State is going
1:28:47
to give them a good shot early, but I think it's going to be too
1:28:51
much Michigan in the end. I think it is going to come down
1:28:54
to about a about a six point game there, but I I got the
1:28:57
Wolverines coming out on top on this one, all righty and I am
1:29:02
picking next and two really good defenses.
1:29:07
I think we both see that 2 elite defenses and like you said
1:29:11
everything that's been going on all season.
1:29:16
You know especially with the whole horrible thing and all
1:29:20
this stuff that did Ryan Day hire the private investigator to
1:29:24
start all this shit. Saturday's game's in Ann Arbor.
1:29:29
The Hyatt game kick is going to be 32° it is going to be clear a
1:29:34
little slight breeze of 5 miles an hour and I think this is
1:29:38
going to be old school big 10 war.
1:29:41
War. I mean, I think I see this game
1:29:44
like 20-17 and I think Michigan is going to win this game
1:29:50
potentially on a last second like field goal.
1:29:53
But that hook? Give me Ohio State.
1:29:56
Ohio State covers. Give me Michigan.
1:29:59
They got coaches up there crying like Harbaugh Dead.
1:30:02
I mean, you can't lose. When you got that much emotion,
1:30:06
can you Shoot? Give me Michigan.
1:30:08
All righty. All righty.
1:30:10
Brian, what did we pick for the last?
1:30:12
Because these are some great rivalries.
1:30:13
Commonwealth Cup up top, Egg Bowl, Civil War.
1:30:16
Sunshine Showdown, The Game. What's our last one?
1:30:20
Iron Bowl, baby. Tally, we did that for you.
1:30:24
That's a good one. We did it for you.
1:30:27
That's going to dictate. That's going to dictate about
1:30:29
two weeks for me. That Crimson and White team
1:30:34
lose. Yeah, it's going to be a lot of
1:30:36
wives in the hospital. Oh shit, Black.
1:30:39
Eyes and and busted lips with bill bottles and all types of
1:30:46
shit, bro, that was. It How many TV's are going to
1:30:48
have to get purchased? I can't remember my man that's
1:30:52
on TikTok, the whole dude. I think his name is Willie.
1:30:55
Go look up Alabama fan Willie on TikTok and you.
1:30:59
You going to see what Alabama fans feel about Auburn and how
1:31:03
they act? All righty, Well let's pick the
1:31:06
game now. Bama is laying 14 1/2 points.
1:31:10
Auburn loss to the Jerry Kill LED New Mexico State Lobos, I
1:31:16
think. He's Jerry.
1:31:16
Kill Truthers 9 and Three. We're out there.
1:31:22
Why didn't we just hire him to be the offensive coordinator
1:31:25
back in 2019? Shit.
1:31:27
All right. All right.
1:31:28
Brian, who you got in this one? After that performance last week
1:31:33
by Auburn, I'm I'm leaning bam on this.
1:31:34
So I think it's about 17. It is going to be the final.
1:31:37
Alabama's playing as good as I've seen them play here this
1:31:43
year. Obviously they had a rough
1:31:45
September, but they really turned it around, got their legs
1:31:48
under them in October, and it really last three or four weeks
1:31:51
have been playing some really good football.
1:31:52
So I'm going to take BAMMA here. All righty.
1:31:55
I got to be a little different here.
1:31:57
I'm going to take Auburn because I don't think they can
1:31:59
potentially play as bad as they did last weekend.
1:32:01
Hugh Freeze does have sort of a knack for having Nick Saban's
1:32:06
number. I don't think he has the talent.
1:32:08
I don't think he is quite there yet with Auburn.
1:32:12
But I I just because how Bama plays this year and I know
1:32:15
they've scored more of the last few weeks, I think I can take 14
1:32:20
1/2. I'll probably be sitting here on
1:32:22
Saturday afternoon hopefully enjoying you know 56 nothing on
1:32:28
this TV and watching the end of the Bama game over here with it
1:32:31
being like a 14 point win, 13 point win for Bama.
1:32:34
So you give me the points Callie, how you feeling on this
1:32:39
one? You close to new?
1:32:40
One man I got to take Bama. They just clicking at the right
1:32:44
time Right now Hugh Freeze has got.
1:32:49
Some work to do as far as putting some people in place.
1:32:53
Quarterback position is where he's got to get a little bit
1:32:55
better. But I will say, I will say, like
1:32:57
Curtis said, he has a knack for beating Nick Saban.
1:33:01
He knows how to beat Saban. I just don't think he's going to
1:33:04
do it this week. Am I on an island by myself,
1:33:11
Sheldon? Yes.
1:33:15
I'll take Bama. I feel like they've gotten
1:33:17
better every week and for some reason people just don't like
1:33:19
talk about them because you know teams like Washington, Oregon
1:33:22
and Michigan are sort of the the, the hot topics.
1:33:25
But they just, I mean if you look at what they've done since
1:33:28
the USF game, I mean they've been really, really good.
1:33:30
So I I take Bama Roll. All right, he says Bama roll.
1:33:35
All righty. So Brian, Tally, Sheldon, has
1:33:40
anything broken since we started an hour and 34 minutes ago?
1:33:45
We can go ahead and announce that next Tuesday we will have
1:33:48
Pete be on air with us joining us to breakdown whatever happens
1:33:53
at UVA this week and to talk a little championship week.
1:33:57
Peter, Peter B from Too Deep. Awesome.
1:34:03
Good to hear that. Glad we got confirmation up on
1:34:06
that. Well boys, y'all got anything
1:34:08
else tonight before we wrap it up?
1:34:10
We better fucking win, I'm going to tell you that right now.
1:34:14
Andretti going to lose his mind if we lose?
1:34:17
Andretti will be in his feelings.
1:34:19
I love Andretti because Andretti gets on the live stream feed and
1:34:23
he he gets his points out there 30-40, fifty minutes before we
1:34:28
even go on air. I love that.
1:34:30
Andretti, be ready. He sets the tone, man.
1:34:33
He's been, he's been holding this shit since Saturday.
1:34:35
He's trying to get it out. Got to get it out.
1:34:38
Got to get it out. He's like it's Tuesday.
1:34:40
I'm, I'm, I'm putting it out there right now.
1:34:42
I don't care. He knows we'll get to it.
1:34:44
He knows we'll get to it. Andrea We got to go to a game
1:34:47
next year, man. You got to let us know what game
1:34:49
you're going to. We got to get there.
1:34:50
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