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Talks to Jason Thompson about his choice of The Daleks’ Masterplan (9/12) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  I am here with the superlative. Joe Ford again, he must still be
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  very bored because now, become the longest commentary podcast,
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  run that we've done, because I think this is the longest story.
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  So, Anyway, I'm here for us to do episode 9 of the Daleks
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  master plan. Our epic run through this huge
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  Adventure, say, hello Joe. Hello Joe.
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  This is now because I've done the invasion with Steven be from
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  Newton who but that was only eight episodes.
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  So now, there's a, this is officially the longest one.
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  Very excited. We've got some exciting stuff to
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  go. However, there's something I
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  need to mention before we head into this episode.
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  Well it's something that you just reminded me of a second
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  ago, so don't think you're getting off the hook with this.
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  All right. If one thinking armor, I feel
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  forget you're just as bad as I heart, you are.
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  There was a line in the last episode.
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  Probably the most filthiest line in the entirety of dogs.
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  Who now there are many double entendres and dogs have many,
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  whatever sucked can. Blowed or copy many others.
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  Now there are plenty. That's a big one.
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  Jamie Yep, there's a whole load of them, they're all mentioning
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  the discontinuity guide under a whole section about double
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  entendre has it is you don't get much and I can't keep it up, you
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  know, and things like that. But yes, this one in particular,
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  shall I deliver it? I think you should know, you're
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  the one who brought it up. We were talking about something
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  else, we were completely distracted and we missed it.
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  But of course, when the Daleks realized that the terrain IAM is
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  fake in the previous episode mavic.
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  Chen goes on a huge Ransom note? No, no it came from Uranus, I
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  know it did. I would know nothing about Bob's
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  or your rocket. Oh, I can just see Lucy's
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  Brigadier GIF or phrases. Stop it video.
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  Materializing on the Twitter feed and fill Nicholas
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  Courtney's, gaze, his Steely gaze.
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  At a great line though, isn't it?
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  And, you know, you can trust Kevin Stony to deliver that with
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  some sincerity indeed. Indeed, you can what is going to
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  be anything quite as filthy in episode 9 of those master plan.
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  Oh no. The reason is we're off to
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  Egypt. We're going to see a load of
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  Egyptian Follies. We do see a lot of scantily clad
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  Egyptian chats. Yes, not many Egyptian, women.
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  No sign of, don't see, Amanda Berry do we all decked up like
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  Cleopatra? No Egyptian women, no afraid,
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  not this time. Very good Miss.
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  Well, shall we? Yes, let's do that.
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  So, again, for anyone watching or listening along at home, you
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  will know it is time to turn the page.
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  When you hear the Chimes ring like this, could remember those
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  old cassettes and Records. Records that went with kids
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  books. Sorry, I just went off on
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  complete tangent which had nothing to do with Doctor Who
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  whatsoever but I used to have quite a few of those kind of
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  story books when I was a kid. I think you'd be quite good as a
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  reader of the talking dolls, you know.
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  I'll blow possibly, what would be your novel of choice?
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  Probably this one actually because I remember the
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  novelization of the Dalek master plan because it was split into
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  two and I got that. That's how I read the whole.
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  That's how I read the whole story first before I even heard
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  the soundtrack, or saw any of the Recons.
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  Anything, I've got the target organizations and I thought they
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  were really good. Made me really want to see this
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  too. So I sort of fell in love with
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  the story through that those Target novelizations and those
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  two episodes that were on the Daleks the earliest date.
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  I thought this was my favorite. Dalek story even before I'd seen
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  any of the apart from those two episodes.
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  You know what though, right, I'm going to say I will go to save
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  so the second I promise is that John peel, right?
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  Everyone was convinced, John peel was fantastic writer,
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  because he brought out this Denis and Hebrew out power of
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  the Daleks and evil of the Daleks right?
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  Thanks. But they're great stories.
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  They're great stories already written then.
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  Okay, if there was this huge expectation when he was going to
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  start delivering original novels for the BBC, 8th, doctor line,
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  and out came a war of the Daleks and Legacy of the Daleks Oh boy.
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  Oh boy did he go off a mountain there?
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  I'm done. Oh yes I got War of the Daleks
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  and I read it and I thought I wish I hadn't read that.
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  That's a two or three hours of my life.
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  I'll never get back terribly, let's wreck on everything and
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  just make it all up. So yes it was weird but these
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  are good. These were good anyway.
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  Let's do it. Let's do it.
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  So if anyone is watching or listening on at home, we're
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  going to begin the episode in 32.
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  Two one, go. So also like, in the last
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  episode, we assume that's just a nice little set piece with the
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  Monk and we're going to see him again.
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  Oh wait, like we've had in the last couple episodes.
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  Yes, that kind of just, it seems to be done.
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  It's just, he New Year's Day bit of fun.
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  Now he's gone. however, is that great really materialized that
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  sort of Right. What do we end up with?
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  I remember the Dalek time machine is just left.
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  Kimberling pursuit of the doctor.
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  Oh, okay. So we're definitely doing the
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  chase. Now, we are doing the chase now.
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  Yes. But with a better director, Do
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  you reckon by? So I'm gonna I'm I'm still
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  talking about the monk for a second.
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  Do you think is an inevitability with a show that lasts long
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  enough? The you're going to start having
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  recurring villains? Like, I think Hartnell Sera has
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  done pretty well to this point to just continually keep driving
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  out. Original, I Baddies Yeah, I
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  think after a while. You know think things will
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  things will capture the imagination?
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  A bit like the Daleks did, I mean that was a I was totally
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  unexpected that they should take off so quickly go to they
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  started in seconds. The very second story of Doctor
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  Who's entire history and really captured the imagination of the
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  viewers. So, I think inevitably, when a
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  series goes on, there will be something that people decide,
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  they like, or work much better than they expected or anything.
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  But let's grab that and bring it back because people love that.
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  And, of course, that also produces good publicity.
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  And that's why I was hoping that afterwards.
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  They must have just been at War. This is just a fantastic actor.
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  They've got great chemistry. And we're desperate, we need to
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  fill out this thing. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Absolutely. And all this product, all the
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  pre-production on the garlic master plan, all the stuff about
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  getting the scripts or that was happening around the time.
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  The time Mendler was being shot so he would have been around for
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  Dennis Putin to say, would you come back if I wrote more Monk
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  episodes, you know? So So we're off to ancient Egypt
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  and in the I think is now I don't really really sequences
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  very much and I do think they're a bit unnecessary and as you
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  when we move into the moving pictures, there is some nice
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  Direction, but some of the actions are Bill quote, in the
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  next, however, I do really like the touch that.
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  It's an unfinished pyramid but it's all set around and there's
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  like all this slots or not scaffolding obviously but all
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  this all building materials are Where I've got some, really?
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  They didn't have to do that. No, it was it was a nice touch.
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  I thing to do that kind of timing of An Unfinished pyramid
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  and it gave the good reason for the Tardis to be taken into the
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  pyramid and moved and for the Egyptians to still be hanging
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  around it because there wouldn't be much reason for them to be
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  still knocking around otherwise, but it's just a bit more
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  visually interesting than like other a backdrop of a pyramid,
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  you know, a cloth backdrop. Yeah, it is.
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  It is firm is quite nice. Actually I think I like the way
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  they as you say I like they've got it.
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  Covered in construction materials Big Blocks of stone
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  and wooden scaffolding and stuff like that going on.
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  I think it's a nice it's a nice set, all the sets all the
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  production stuff in master plan that actually I think really
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  good for all the tension and problems that they had with it
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  because they are various memos and things doing around saying
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  what disaster it was being tensions were high and they were
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  really making this kind of by the seat of their pants.
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  Almost Cuz script for coming in late production was, but what
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  they turned out you can tell from the, from the soundtracks
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  and from the episodes that still exist actually came out really
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  well? I think so.
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  Well, I got three words to say to you is the same word over and
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  over again. Canfield Canfield Canfield.
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  Yeah. Canfield does a brilliant job
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  directing. This stuff is entirely.
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  I know, we've said this already in this commentary would
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  probably sell it several time. His blah.
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  It's a heroic turn. This imagine if this has been
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  Richard, mine Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
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  There was some read an extract from the handbook because
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  somebody chief designer Barry Leroy.
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  Chief designer of drama sent John Wiles a memo during
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  production of Master Plan. Doctor Who serial V is proving a
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  near disaster. I understand all possible to
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  meet his dates. For this commitment of 12,
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  consecutive episodes is made this virtually impossible.
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  scripts or near complete scripts often available, but planning
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  the design and shooting arrangements for these is
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  entirely haphazard So, there you go.
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  It says the give you this summary.
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  Despite the fact that Syria will be, will almost certainly
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  continue in this same way. In order.
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  That you may make quite sure the following four episode Parts,
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  allow proper planning with the designers and directors
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  together, and you may fight wholeheartedly against any
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  recurrence of more than six episodes.
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  Being given to one director. And in order that you take some
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  action to ensure the addition of the Christmas holiday period, to
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  the problem does not lead to real disaster.
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  It will literally making this by the seat of their pants, what
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  they do. Absolutely.
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  Absolutely. But brilliantly the result was
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  as brilliant. I think still still my favorite
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  Dalek story, probably my favorite Hartnell story and one
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  of my favorite stories of the entire run of in.
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  It sounds like their production team didn't have a lot of
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  confidence in this but I don't think that shows in the in the
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  finished product. It feels very confident this in
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  a way that like the chase did not feel very confident at all,
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  you know, certain parts of the chase.
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  No, they didn't seem very calm. Confident.
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  Charismatic, maybe but not often.
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  That is the director and I think part of that is also the quality
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  of the cast that they've got in these in these episodes.
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  They're all brilliant. Yeah, and you know, there are
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  like termination is a good writer, this great editing, this
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  is its Pune for Al I think so. Yeah really good writer as well.
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  So there's a fair bear Talent. Be imported to this.
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  There is yeah Terry Nation gets a lot of bad press because he
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  does tend to pull the same tropes out over and over again
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  in his writing. But when you have to churn out
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  writing, the pace that he did for his, for his job, you don't
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  want to be Those things in your back pocket to just keep the
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  volume up really. But I think you did it very well
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  each time I think there was enough variation to keep it
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  interesting Terry Nation. Right.
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  He has his list of cliches. Yeah.
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  In fact, Marvel has a drinking game, a Terry Nation drinking
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  game, and it'll do part ones of Terry Nation episodes, and he's
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  absolutely hammered come early Jon pertwee's.
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  Time is absolutely hammered, but they're Clues.
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  Shows because they work you know mmm and a Terry Nation part 1
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  when it works well it's the best kind of part one you're ever
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  going to get I think in terms of atmosphere.
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  Yeah you know and well building. He was really good at well
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  building and structuring the story as you say that he's part
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  ones. We usually really, really good.
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  It is the only trouble is conclusions conclusions
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  sometimes Ruby off. But yeah, we didn't even bother
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  it today like Arthur mistakes. Right arm out, I'm off.
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  Congrats a question, there seems to be a lot of photographs on
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  this. Reconstruction, are these
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  pictures from the next episode? It was a lot of photographs
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  taken during production of the episodes in Egypt, there's a lot
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  of them available, some of them are this, is it that, you know,
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  a couple of these are stills from The Next Episode.
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  But there were a lot of production photographs taken
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  during master plan in general. But particularly on the Egypt
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  set. I'm not quite sure exactly why
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  but there are a lot of them I know they doctor a lot of images
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  and things on these reconstructions but they also
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  shot a minute ago that was like a high angle shot looking down.
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  On the Daleks and the Egyptians after.
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  Yeah, you faked. That, that looks like a real
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  photograph. Yeah, I think it was there's a
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  there was quite a lot of photographs of the production of
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  this epic, this little sequence in Egypt.
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  It is some is this, The Voice work of Peter Hawkins in this
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  episode? I still think he's the best
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  olive oil. It's, you know, yeah, I Peter
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  Hawkins is, is the Dalek, the Dalek voice in this episode.
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  It's when they start introducing Zippy from Rainbow Vikings
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  Gabby, problematic. I mean, some of them.
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  Not all of them. Subtle false has acted.
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  Heavy resistance is doesn't just like satirical Daleks.
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  He does. Yes.
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  But then he also does the emperor Dalek in evil of the
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  Daleks and did brilliantly with that.
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  What? Ray Skelton?
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  Mmm. John Mason did the voice of the
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  little girl in the chair and members of the Daleks.
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  Oh yeah. Yeah.
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  How fabulous is Hannah. Look at that hat.
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  Yeah, it's he was he had that hat in the first Darla Tory did,
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  he didn't wear it some reason. Eager in episode 1, he steps out
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  of the TARDIS into the jungle carrying a Panama Hat, which he
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  never once put on his head and then we don't see it again.
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  So, but here he is wearing a hat.
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  Give me a prop. I need a prop.
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  Okay, that's a very unusual photograph there.
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  That Egyptian, man, looking like his son-in himself a hartnell's
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  feet. Yes.
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  Do you reckon having a historical element to this
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  story? Is like the finishing touch, you
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  know, like you have the futuristic stuff.
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  There's a few bits set in the modern day.
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  We assume they are, do you know, the Christmas and the New Year
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  stuff. And now we've got the histories
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  of the we are doing the gamma of Doctor Who for out these 12
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  episodes. Yeah, we I think we said in one
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  of the earlier episodes, I think you said it was like a
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  portmanteau of Doctor Who like bits of all bits of Doctor Who
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  in one story. So you've got the futuristic
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  stuff, you got the drama, the comedy, the historical, the
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  present day, It's a bit like when did flux wasn't it?
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  Like he did a little bit of everything as well.
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  He did the opening episode were a lot of it was saying the
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  present day. He did a load of stuff in the
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  future and the Temple of at repulse and all of that.
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  And then he went back into the past in business.
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  If the Angels didn't they? Yeah.
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  And Ward sontarans as well. Of course you have course.
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  I wasn't even more appropriately.
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  Yeah, like wearing sunglasses. Yeah, the monkeys wearing
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  sunglasses which I think is hilarious.
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  I love that little touch and it is that is that is genuine.
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  It wasn't, it wasn't just like this.
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  I've got a pair of sunglasses which of course.
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  Is it an acronym stick for the ancient Egypt's?
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  so, as a monk wandering around, but okay, and I'm going to be
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  Wicked for a second. What is the point of these
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  episodes? What is the point?
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  Time I buy time. Bulking up the store and can
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  make it longer and they're fun. And we've got water Randall as
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  well as just popped up. Oh, hang on water.
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  Randall, was somebody in the Aztecs?
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  Wasn't he? He was turning it in the Aztecs.
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  He was Ella Kia in the Crusade as well.
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  So this is his third Hartnell Story, one each season, I think
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  he's done and he pops up later as Slocum the technician in
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  part, 1 of Inferno. Who First turns into a Green
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  thing. Nothing else like Douglas
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  Canfield thread running through those story or some of those
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  stories. Yes, they do something very
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  incorrect. This do tend to use the same
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  people when they when they know they've got some actions, they
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  can rely on. They do tend to bring them back
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  and why not? And we'll leave you someone you
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  can rely on definitely wine on. Absolutely.
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  Now I'm nervous hasn't had a like A terrific amount of doing
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  this has a like of his own back. He, he's with Sarah Kingdom, and
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  the doctor, like, in the next story.
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  Obviously, he kind of owns the show, doesn't he.
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  He's holding her in the next story, whereas in this and I
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  wouldn't say they're utilizing him amazingly.
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  Well, yeah, that great scene when Katerina die that was I
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  think he'd make that scene. He does.
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  But yeah, the companions don't really get to do very much in
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  this story except just kind of Be There.
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  They Don't Really contribute much to the proceedings apart
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  from getting captured and released and so on they don't
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  really do anything else. Of course, in episode 11, we
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  focus heavily on Steve and Sarah because the doctor disappears
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  for whatever reason. But even then, all they really
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  do. Do is wander around.
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  They do a little bit. We'll talk about that when we
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  get there, but yeah, they don't have a lot to do in this story
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  but yeah, Peter Purvis carries the next one.
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  It's really Steep and story of the massacre and it's brilliant
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  in contrast. I think hard or get slowest to
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  do in this life as a Showcase of car noise tear apart most
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  brilliant in the next episode. He gets a wonderful moment.
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  Don't worry steps out and it's voice booms amongst the
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  pyramids, you know. Yeah.
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  I was hungry Alex. So there we go.
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  Can I use the Daleks by rotation to?
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  This is again. This is where this is now
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  expanding the Daleks by reputation because you know, up
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  until now we've had no indication that anyone other
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  than the doctor. In terms of the time-traveling
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  knew who the Daleks were. Because, obviously, in the first
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  story, they were just on skaro Etc.
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  Then there was the Dalek invasion of Earth that happened
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  now. They're Universal conquerors.
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  People on Earth know who the Daleks are people in the outer
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  galaxies. Name of the doctor, the monk
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  knows who the Daleks are. So the Daleks now have this
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  great Universal reputation. So it's kind of the story that
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  makes the Daleks what they were from this point onwards, I think
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  it feels like very slowly. It doesn't really happen for,
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  you know, not a couple of areas or but the, the cliche clearly
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  kind of the tenants of the show are falling into place.
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  There is and I kind of accidentally as None of this is
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  planned, this isn't a Michael straczynski Babylon, 5S K epic
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  beings. You know, unfolding before us,
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  don't get me wrong. If you watch the runner talk to
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  him, but yeah, they're not laying the foundations for the
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  time War here deliberately. You know it's that's yeah,
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  that's a Time. Lord on the Daleks my God, he
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  could say, this is like the first step.
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  We could technically say the Daleks is the first step.
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  Probably the chase. When they first started going
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  after the doctor. They know who the doctor is.
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  That would be, why did you say that boxer that they released?
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  It was just any another excuse to bring out another box set of
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  all stories that over 100 out on Blu-ray and it's like the road
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  to the time, wore something like that.
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  It's Genesis of the Daleks remembrance of the Daleks Yeah,
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  I saw that box set and I just, I couldn't really see the point.
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  I know there were some questions about why they include certain
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  stories in there as well? Well, because they've already
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  been remastered. That's why.
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  Yeah, exactly. They didn't have to remaster.
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  Anyway, put it on another disk and release it.
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  However, we go. And so, we've got lovely
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  Egyptian sets here with hieroglyphs fabulous, sarcophagi
• 22:10
  Yeah. Indeed you are the sets of
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  really good. The set dressing is fantastic.
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  I think for these episodes, one thing, you can rely on the BBC
• 22:17
  to do. It's a historical drama and
• 22:20
  Cetera with brilliant on the BBC.
• 22:22
  Yes, you know, in the big finish, the adventures of Lucy
• 22:28
  Miller so we're skipping Way Forward that I have lots of
• 22:31
  series. The Monk Is In Cahoots with the
• 22:34
  Daleks at the end of The Run of Lucy mirror Miller, right?
• 22:38
  And he is responsible for them sending a plague mistletoe, the
• 22:43
  Earth like so yeah. And it's really is played like
• 22:48
  is a kind of like Inadvertent thing that he did it to save his
• 22:51
  life that he gave, he told them, you know, how to wipe out
• 22:56
  everybody on the Earth but he's really portrayed as like a
• 22:59
  proper antihero in that, it's quite interesting and they don't
• 23:04
  quite do that here, do they? He is just a bit of a comic by
• 23:07
  food who's rubbing shoulders with the Daleks Yeah, he's only
• 23:11
  working with the Daleks because he doesn't really have an awful
• 23:14
  lot of choice. What was going on there with
• 23:16
  this Harvest? That is the monks Tardis and the
• 23:20
  doctor, this is the first time we've actually seen a tardis
• 23:23
  change shape because the doctor waiting to the monks Tardis and
• 23:25
  played around with it and it changed shape into various
• 23:27
  different things until it became a police box.
• 23:32
  Why is it doing that though? Well, that will become apparent
• 23:38
  in the next episode, okay? Okay.
• 23:42
  Oh dear, that look at that picture there, that's clearly
• 23:44
  been doctored. Yeah, well, there's only so much
• 23:48
  you can do. Yeah.
• 23:51
  That's always better job. Will you said you did five
• 23:53
  minutes worth? And, and you had enough it was
• 23:56
  like, yep. Yep.
• 23:58
  I tried years and years ago, I tried.
• 24:00
  And I thought, what the hell am I doing?
• 24:02
  Like Captain. Yeah I will see.
• 24:07
  They're having a fight. I was a bit confused having us.
• 24:11
  It's Steven and sorrow versus the Egyptians.
• 24:15
  Yes, I'm not sure how good it would be when and if we get this
• 24:18
  episode back I'm not quite sure what this episode this fight
• 24:21
  would come back. A lot of the cup of things that
• 24:26
  were in the handbook was that they were very satisfied with
• 24:29
  the extras who played the Egyptian soldiers in this in
• 24:32
  this cereal. So they eat, they left a lot of
• 24:34
  stuff. I'm done with them because they
• 24:36
  just didn't come across very well.
• 24:38
  You know, that's a good point. You know.
• 24:39
  You so episodes. Coming back.
• 24:41
  All right, here's a question for you.
• 24:44
  It an episode that's missing with a good reputation that you
• 24:48
  think would be tarnished by his return and an episode with a
• 24:52
  less than Stellar reputation. That whose reputation would
• 24:55
  improve by returning. And don't say the web of fear in
• 24:58
  enemy of the world, that's Julian.
• 25:01
  That's cheating because we've already seen those and we know
• 25:03
  what my Arts are. Those is up already. a good
• 25:09
  episode, that would be That tarnished by its return.
• 25:18
  Well sorry to say possibly some of these.
• 25:20
  I don't know how well some of these episodes would hold up.
• 25:23
  Once we actually see them especially the final episode
• 25:26
  with the time Destructor and what have you?
• 25:30
  I have you know we have we have great ideas in our heads of what
• 25:33
  it would look like and got descriptions but it might well
• 25:35
  fall a bit flat on the actual viewing in terms of an episode
• 25:40
  with a poor reputation which might be which might benefit
• 25:43
  from coming back. I think I think the sap Is would
• 25:47
  benefit enormously if it came back because it tends to be
• 25:50
  rather overlooked. But I think it's a lovely little
• 25:52
  story. I really like the Savages and
• 25:54
  possibly even the space pirates. I can definitely the space
• 25:57
  tires. And I think the Smugglers with
• 25:59
  all that location work, I think the Smugglers would have a
• 26:02
  better reputation. I don't think it's amazing, but
• 26:04
  I think if you can actually see it, looks like a quite a
• 26:08
  Sumptuous production. That's possible and it's also
• 26:12
  possibly true of the Highlanders because I remember I've always
• 26:15
  viewed the smugglers in the Highlanders in particular.
• 26:17
  I've always use entirely forgettable because no matter
• 26:19
  how many times I watch them, I can barely remember the plot
• 26:23
  either of them don't like that with a Highland it but it's
• 26:26
  really weird because when I'm listening to it, I'm like this
• 26:30
  is really rather good. Like, this is a terrible.
• 26:32
  This is it's got some nice bits of Dramas are nice bits of
• 26:36
  comedies. Good acting, I bet the
• 26:38
  production value is pretty good. You can see from some of the
• 26:40
  pictures And yet you ask me a week later and I'll say, I have
• 26:44
  everything. I think the doctors put an
• 26:46
  accent, that's about it. Yeah, it's weird but I'd but
• 26:52
  maybe hey, Doc did one of his happy times and places podcasts
• 26:56
  on the Highlanders, which I listen to and he was pointing
• 27:00
  out lots of things like this. Dammit ography was probably very
• 27:02
  good because you can see the Telly snaps.
• 27:04
  They must have been on location for this.
• 27:05
  There's There's all sorts of interesting shops in the Telly
• 27:14
  snaps and there's acting and performances and things
• 27:18
  happening. And, you know, so that made me
• 27:20
  sort of reappraise it and think actually it might be it might be
• 27:24
  better if we could see it might be better regarded.
• 27:28
  There's still a lot wrong with it and it's still not fabulous
• 27:30
  story. I don't think but it's recovery.
• 27:33
  Would benefit his reputation enormously.
• 27:35
  I wonder if something like Fury from the deep.
• 27:37
  You know, wouldn't go down. People's estimation.
• 27:40
  If it was by under, I think it probably looks great.
• 27:44
  But it's like a bit repetitive. Oh yeah I might be about to be
• 27:51
  crucified for saying this but I don't actually rate Fury from
• 27:54
  the deep Batman. I'm really why?
• 27:58
  It just doesn't hold my attention.
• 28:01
  It's got some good stuff in it. You know the sequence with
• 28:05
  Okonkwo overpowering Maggie Harris, that's brilliant.
• 28:08
  The way that's been shot is fabulous.
• 28:11
  It's got some good stuff in it. I like the way that Victoria's
• 28:14
  departure is sewn through out and actually emphasize made a
• 28:17
  big part of the final episode. It's not just at the end she
• 28:20
  goes. By the way, I'm staying like so
• 28:22
  many other companions do. There's a lot of good stuff in
• 28:26
  it. Victor Madden is Fabulous As
• 28:28
  wrong as berserk Robson and what have you so you know there's not
• 28:31
  a good but as a story I watch it and I genuinely just doesn't
• 28:36
  hold my attention. You know what story does that
• 28:39
  for me? Is that an even with the
• 28:41
  animation are still think it's so fucking boring.
• 28:45
  The Faceless ones bores me stiff.
• 28:49
  Yep. I'm not a huge fan of the
• 28:50
  faceless ones either, again, interesting ideas, but It just
• 28:56
  no Pace. It should be fun.
• 28:58
  Just have no place. It should be finished before
• 29:00
  episode. Oh I got on circuit because the
• 29:03
  pictures are moving again for the moving now.
• 29:06
  So we just spliced in the existing bit from part. 10 of
• 29:08
  the end of the part 9 Recon. So yeah, I chase.
• 29:11
  My heart started racing them when last could see moving
• 29:14
  pictures. Yeah. now look is this not a bit
• 29:20
  like some working was supposed to be the deadliest you know,
• 29:24
  space assassin in the future and now she's scared of hand coming
• 29:29
  out of a sarcophagus To be fair I don't that was covered in her
• 29:35
  training, very good and you know what, right?
• 29:38
  I am going to talk about now but the resolution to that is
• 29:42
  fucking hilarious. Yes.
• 29:46
  So many Doctor Who Cliffhangers. Yes, II God kill them now and
• 29:50
  then next episode is like no weight or something like that.
• 29:53
  You know some Dreadful Rosa whereas this it's really funny
• 29:57
  because I wasn't the doctor put him in there yet the doctor put
• 30:00
  in In there. What?
• 30:03
  It's one of the better kind of Cliffhangers that actually
• 30:06
  follows logically from the plot and isn't just chucked in there
• 30:09
  because all we need a cliffhanger, it's a violent,
• 30:12
  Barker, you know, hard or sometimes always need just, you
• 30:15
  know, he was trained by the mountain molar of Montana.
• 30:19
  He was, he was indeed, and he was so constantly outwitting,
• 30:22
  the opposition. He tends to forget the Delights
• 30:24
  of the gentle art of fisticuffs. He stumbled through in the
• 30:28
  Romans. Omani.
• 30:30
  Toxic. Man of brilliant.
• 30:32
  Oh, sorry, he tosses out that window.
• 30:34
  Brilliantly, I'll tell you, he doesn't, he doesn't Vicki.
• 30:38
  Chases him out of the window. The doctor doesn't throw him out
• 30:40
  the window, because he's chasing him with a big bars over ahead.
• 30:43
  Abby dust from about a bit, doesn't he?
• 30:45
  He knocks him about a bit. Certainly would be cute if you
• 30:48
  want to fight.