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Socialite Rebecca Grossman Writes Disgusting Letter From Prison to Mom of 2 Boys She Killed, Claiming She's The Victim, Civil Lawsuit · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Tonight we learn wealthy socialite a millionaire, Rebecca Grossman, writes
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Speaker 2: a disgusting letter from behind bars to the mother of
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Speaker 2: the two little boys she Rebecca Grossman murdered with her Mercedes,
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Speaker 2: insisting she, Rebecca Grossman is the victim. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us. A millionaire socialite writes a horrific letter
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Speaker 2: to the grieving mother of two little boys. Two little boys,
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Speaker 2: They're precious that she Rebecca Grossman, mowed down at a
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Speaker 2: high rate of speed after a boozy lunch with her lover,
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Speaker 2: begging the mom to visit her behind bars. Why why,
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Speaker 2: She insists that she wants the mom to quote see
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Speaker 2: the circumstances that she, Rebecca is in. She amazingly also wrote,
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Speaker 2: she Rebecca is the victim. Okay, let's just get our
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Speaker 2: facts straight. Who is the victim? Here the victim. The
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Speaker 2: victims are two little boys, Mark eleven and Jacob eight,
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Speaker 2: walking across the street in a marked cross walk in
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Speaker 2: Westlake Village with their mom and their little brothers and
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Speaker 2: sisters when they were mowed down by Grossman's Mercedes Okay,
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Speaker 2: what are the facts? Two little boys dead, ages eight
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Speaker 2: and eleven, while this plastic surgeon's socialite.
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Speaker 1: Wife is drag racing on the open road after a
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Speaker 1: boozy lunch with her lover. Ah ah No, let me
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Speaker 1: just take these words and fitted together in one sentence.
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Speaker 1: A plastic surgeon, socialite wife mows down two little boys.
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Speaker 3: There's so many questions, let's start it off. Listen.
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Speaker 4: Just after seven pm on a September evening, Jacob and
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Speaker 4: Mark Iskander, their siblings and parents, go for an evening
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Speaker 4: stroll to a nearby lake. The boys enjoy rollerblading and skateboarding.
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Speaker 4: The six member family is heading home, crossing in a
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Speaker 4: crosswalk at a three way intersection when mother Nancy heard
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Speaker 4: a speeding car barreling their way. The mom says her
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Speaker 4: husband and daughter were further away from the street. She
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Speaker 4: tries to signal to the two SUVs heading their way
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Speaker 4: to slow down. She tried to pull the children back,
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Speaker 4: only managing to grab one of them, a five year old,
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Speaker 4: and dive out of the way. Jacob and Mark, who
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Speaker 4: are farther out in the crosswalk, are hit. Mark Iskander
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Speaker 4: dies at the scene. Jacob dies later at the hospital.
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Speaker 4: According to police, p Mark was thrown two hundred and
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Speaker 4: fifty four feet.
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Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty four feet. I've got an all
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Speaker 1: star panel joining me, but first I want to go
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Speaker 1: to private investigator. Former Federal Task Force officer for the
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Speaker 1: USDJ Department of Justice with the DEA in the Miami
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Speaker 1: Field Division. No lack of business in Miami Jade, former
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Speaker 1: homicide investigator.
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Speaker 3: You can find him at.
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Speaker 1: Crispininvestigations dot com. Robert Crispin, have you ever? First of all,
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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty four feet a child is thrown
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Speaker 1: through the air two hundred and fifty four feet. Wait, okay, now,
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Speaker 1: I'm a lawyer. I'm not a sports broadcaster. But I
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Speaker 1: was a cheerleader only because I didn't make the basketball team.
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Speaker 1: One girl got cut me, so I became a cheerleader.
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Speaker 1: Isn't a football field one hundred yards? Okay? That's three
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Speaker 1: hundred feet Okay, As you can tell by my stilted questions,
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Speaker 1: they did not teach me that in law school. So
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Speaker 1: this child is thrown nearly the length of a football field.
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Speaker 5: Yeah not, you know, not uncommon for the pedestrian to
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Speaker 5: be thrown a quite of a distance.
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Speaker 6: This particular case.
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Speaker 5: If you look at the crash impact on the Mercedes,
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Speaker 5: it's pretty much a dead center shit.
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Speaker 3: Robert Crispin.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate all of your knowledge, but that was a
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Speaker 1: yes no. This little child was thrown nearly the length
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Speaker 1: of a football field.
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Speaker 5: He was and that's a long way.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Another quick question, This is a yes no too,
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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin. Before you, you know, lay all your knowledge
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Speaker 1: on me. Robert Crispin. Have you ever been out for
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Speaker 1: a walk or a jog, maybe with your fan, and
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Speaker 1: somebody speaks by and you try to say slow down
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Speaker 1: or you gesticulate towards them. Has that ever happened to you?
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Speaker 5: Of course, I think it's happened to everybody.
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Speaker 3: Okay, did they stop? Did they slow down?
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Speaker 5: Not at all?
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Speaker 6: They're oblivion, not at all.
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Speaker 3: In fact, they speed off.
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Speaker 1: I tried to take the picture of a speeding car
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Speaker 1: the other day. That's sped by Lucy and me as
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Speaker 1: we were walking. As soon as I held my phone up,
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Speaker 1: it scratched off.
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Speaker 3: Crispin.
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Speaker 1: So the mom can you imagine, there's all the children.
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Speaker 1: Let's see, there's Mark eleven, Jacob eight, The parents are there,
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Speaker 1: Kaem and Nancy. The brother, Zachary who's just five, the husband.
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Speaker 1: They're all out for an evening stroll at a lake
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Speaker 1: I don't think too far from their home, and this
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Speaker 1: socialite married to a plastic surgeon, just stinking of money,
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Speaker 1: comes flying by. And you can hear the car first,
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Speaker 1: speeding because I can hear it when I'm with the
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Speaker 1: twins and like, get off the roads, get over. I
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Speaker 1: hear a car coming, and sure enough, here it comes
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Speaker 1: barreling down. The mom heard it first and immediately starts
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Speaker 1: trying to get everybody, and she couldn't get the two
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Speaker 1: little boys fast enough. You think I've got those facts right,
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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin.
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Speaker 5: Listen, your facts are right, and I've you know, with
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Speaker 5: my own son. When I'm out walking with him, he
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Speaker 5: gets so far away and someone comes speeding by. I
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Speaker 5: cannot imagine of how close she was to just potentially
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Speaker 5: grabbing them and pulling them back, and not being there
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Speaker 5: and watching that impact had to be horrific, horrific.
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Speaker 1: And you know the other little brother, Zachary's five. He
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Speaker 1: remembers this crystal clear. Okay, let me get back to
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Speaker 1: the facts. Listen.
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Speaker 7: Nancy Eskander tells police that two SUVs were speeding toward
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Speaker 7: her family and we're quote zigzagging with each other as
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Speaker 7: if they were playing racing. She says the drivers didn't
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Speaker 7: stop at the intersection, not even when the eleven year
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Speaker 7: old was on the hood of the car. She describes
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Speaker 7: how eight year old Jacob was lying near the curb.
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Speaker 7: Mark was in the road with a visibly broken arm
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Speaker 7: and quote blood coming out of his mouth. She says
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Speaker 7: her five year old watched paramedics perform CPR on his brother.
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Speaker 7: When asked if she could see which driver or suv
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Speaker 7: struck her son, is Scander said no, She was diving
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Speaker 7: out of the way, pulling her five year old along.
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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, with me an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 3: But now I'm want to go to Amon.
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Speaker 1: Murphy joining us investigative reporter writer for the Acorn Newspapers.
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Speaker 3: Amen, thank you for being with us. Explain to me.
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Speaker 1: What facts I've left out so far up to the
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Speaker 1: point where CPR is being given by the EMTs.
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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, you basically you've got it right. It was
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Speaker 6: evening a September twenty twenty. The family of the Eskander
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Speaker 6: family were out for a walk. You know this is
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Speaker 6: during COVID, so they're getting out getting some air. Nancy
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Speaker 6: Escander is crossing the road. It's called Tranfho Canyon Road
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Speaker 6: in Westlake Village. It runs right along the lake. She's
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Speaker 6: crossing towards the lake with her three boys. She's got
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Speaker 6: the youngest boy right at her hip and they're in front.
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Speaker 6: The two older boys are behind her. That's Mark and Jacob.
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Speaker 6: Her husband and their baby daughter are continue walking up
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Speaker 6: the road. They don't cross, so there's some distance away.
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Speaker 6: Nancy Eskander hears the roars of two engines, she says,
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Speaker 6: and she turns and she sees these SUVs coming. She's
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Speaker 6: able to jump out of the way of the first one,
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Speaker 6: that's a black SUV with her youngest son, but then
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Speaker 6: behind her the second car, which is a white Mercedes suv,
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Speaker 6: hits the other two boys, and that's the one driven
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Speaker 6: by Rebecca Grossman.
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Speaker 1: Authorities say, oh, whoa, whoa wait, wait, wait, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Aimon Murphy. First of all, Rebecca Grossmann, Okay, well she's
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Speaker 1: beautiful number one, but she is married to a plastic surgeon.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know how much of that is God given,
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Speaker 1: not judging.
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Speaker 3: Don't care.
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Speaker 1: But you know, you normally think of a lady of
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Speaker 1: her standing, her age, she's a grown woman. I don't
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Speaker 1: really picture her zig zagging at what eighty plus miles
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Speaker 1: an hour in a residential area, zig zagging like I'm
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Speaker 1: fast and furious. You've seen that, right, I've seen all
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Speaker 1: of them with my son. Okay, actually I liked them,
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Speaker 1: so I can't really blame him. Amen, have you ever
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Speaker 1: seen that? The zig zagging? And I'm trying to imagine
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at her picture right now, this lady, Well,
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Speaker 1: she's no lady. She's killer, according to me, zig actually
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Speaker 1: zig zagging in a residential area at eighty plus miles
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Speaker 1: an hour.
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Speaker 6: Right, I'll say it's a problem in the LA area.
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Speaker 6: I mean in this quiet, sleepy part of town. I mean,
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Speaker 6: the first time I drove by this road, I saw
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Speaker 6: numerous pedestrians, numerous cyclists. The thought of going eighty one
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Speaker 6: miles an hour, which is the figure we've been given,
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Speaker 6: that is that's unthinkable on that road, I mean completely unthinkable.
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Speaker 6: But the judge in the preliminary hearing said that Grossman
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Speaker 6: was playing a high speed game of chicken with the
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Speaker 6: other driver in the incident. Scott Ericsson, and police said
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Speaker 6: that they were racing from a restaurant to a house.
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Speaker 6: The judge in the trial is taking a more skeptical
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Speaker 6: stance towards that term, and street racing is not part
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Speaker 6: of the charges in this case. But the prosecutor who
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Speaker 6: has said it's not a grease style dropping of the
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Speaker 6: handkerchief scenario, he doesn't want to have to stop a
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Speaker 6: witness from using that word in the colloquial sense to
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Speaker 6: describe what they saw as the mother in this case
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Speaker 6: has done. The mother of the victims. But there is
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Speaker 6: a history of speeding tickets in this driving record that
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Speaker 6: was accompanied by a warning from the highway patrolman who said,
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Speaker 6: you know you could kill somebody driving like this on
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Speaker 6: the freeway.
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Speaker 3: How do we know?
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Speaker 1: He said that on one of her last spaiting tickets.
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Speaker 1: Is it on bodycam?
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Speaker 6: I'm not sure if it's on bodycam or if it was,
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Speaker 6: a note was made of it. Some other way.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray.
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Speaker 2: In the Last Days, a spoiled brat socialite old enough
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Speaker 2: to know better, Rebecca Grossman writes the mother of for
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Speaker 2: two little victims, ages eight and eleven, insisting that the
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Speaker 2: mom come visit her behind bars to see how bad
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Speaker 2: she's got it. It's really hard for me to take it.
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Speaker 2: In that said, instead of what she is writing in
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Speaker 2: her letters to the mom about her being the victim,
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Speaker 2: this is what happened.
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Speaker 3: Eighty one and a forty five.
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Speaker 1: And when you say this sleepy little area of LA,
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Speaker 1: for most people we think of LA. Although I live
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Speaker 1: for there for a while, I do know that there
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Speaker 1: are sleepy little areas. Most people think of, you know,
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Speaker 1: the Walk of Fame. They think of downtown LA. What
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Speaker 1: we see in movies and TV. What part of LA
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Speaker 1: is a sleepy little borough.
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Speaker 6: Well, this is not the city of Los Angeles. This
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Speaker 6: is the absolute western edge of Los Angeles County. It's
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Speaker 6: a city called Westlake Village, which is less than eight
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Speaker 6: thousand people, and most of the city was annexed by
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Speaker 6: Ventura County. It became part of Thousand Oaks. So it's
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Speaker 6: a tiny, little affluent suburb just on the edge of
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Speaker 6: the county. And you know, really the point of it is,
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Speaker 6: it's not Los Angeles the city. You know, it's a
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Speaker 6: different kind of a.
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Speaker 1: Please you know, Amon Murphy, I'm trying to parse everything
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Speaker 1: you're saying because you're giving me so much correct information.
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Speaker 1: You said that La has a problem with drag racing
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Speaker 1: or speed racing.
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Speaker 3: I think that he said that, yeah, by gang members.
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Speaker 3: I don't think of some plastic.
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Speaker 1: Surgeon as old lady out there's dragging with her lover
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Speaker 1: after they booze it.
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Speaker 3: Up at lunch.
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Speaker 1: That must have been some long lunch because now it's
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Speaker 1: the evening and she's drag racing with her excuse me,
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Speaker 1: alleged lover.
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Speaker 3: Alleged.
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen them in bed together. I don't know
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Speaker 1: for sure that they're lovers. But that said, this grown
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Speaker 1: lady drunk is skunk drag racing and mows all that.
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Speaker 1: You know what money cannot buy class? That is for sure.
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Speaker 6: What do you buy an AMG car for? I mean,
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Speaker 6: one thing the prosecution wanted to bring in is the
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Speaker 6: fact that she took a one day you performance drive
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Speaker 6: course on a closed track in twenty eighteen, and the
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Speaker 6: judge said, no.
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Speaker 1: You wait, wait, you're awesome number.
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Speaker 3: One a MG.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, AMG. It's it's a high performance kind of a Mercedes.
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Speaker 6: You know, these cars with the really loud engines, and
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Speaker 6: so that if you buy one of these cars you
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Speaker 6: can participate in a course on a closed racetrack where
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Speaker 6: they kind of give you the you have an instructor
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Speaker 6: and you have a chance to, you know, drive fast,
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Speaker 6: and of course you're not on the streets, so it's
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Speaker 6: not dangerous in that way. And you're told that the course,
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Speaker 6: you know, this is you know, very controlled conditions. You
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Speaker 6: can't drive like this in the real world. So she
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Speaker 6: attended one of these in twenty eighteen, and prosecution had
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Speaker 6: wanted to introduce this and bring this warning into show
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Speaker 6: because greed racing in the legal sense is not part
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Speaker 6: of the charges, but the prosecution means it in the
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Speaker 6: more colloquial sense of two cars driving very quickly mirroring
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Speaker 6: each other, something we see a lot on the freeway,
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Speaker 6: and something that a witness in the case might say
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Speaker 6: about this incident, as the mother of the victims has done.
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Speaker 1: We both tried a lot of homicide cases. To show
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Speaker 1: intent to a jury, you can show them intent either
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Speaker 1: implied or express express means. I say, Jackie, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to shoot you dead right now, and I shoot her dead.
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Speaker 1: That's not going to happen because I need you desperately.
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Speaker 1: And there is implied intent, such as as you choose
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Speaker 1: to get stink and drunk, walk to your car, insert
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Speaker 1: in the key, start the ignition, put it in reverse,
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Speaker 1: put it in drive, hit the gas, or let me
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Speaker 1: give an easier one. With implied intent, I go and
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Speaker 1: I practice shoot at a range for twenty hours. Then
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Speaker 1: I go by, let's just go with a glock. Then
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Speaker 1: I stop my husband, who I find out has been
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Speaker 1: cheating not true, and then I get him in the
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Speaker 1: crosshairs and I spy on him till he comes out
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Speaker 1: of the office and I train across the parculant. Boom, egone.
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Speaker 1: All right, So that is implied intent. It was a
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Speaker 1: very long drawn out plan, even though I didn't expressly
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Speaker 1: say it. I think here I would argue to the jury.
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Speaker 1: I show them this picture of her car totally bashed
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Speaker 1: in in the front, and go through what all she
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Speaker 1: did before she landed right here, all the warnings, all
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Speaker 1: the speeding tickets, all the booze that afternoon, I'd say
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Speaker 1: that's implied intent, right.
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Speaker 8: You know, second degree murder in California is you have
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Speaker 8: to show.
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Speaker 6: Melice of forethought.
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Speaker 8: You don't have. You don't show deliberation or premeditation, just
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Speaker 8: that that malice. And in drinking where you have a
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Speaker 8: blood alcohol content three hours later the zero point zero eight,
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Speaker 8: which is clearly indicative that it would have been higher
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Speaker 8: at the time you were driving, and that you're driving
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Speaker 8: eighty miles an hour and a forty five mile an
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Speaker 8: hour zone where there are pedestrians frequently in that area
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Speaker 8: is enough to show malice. I mean, plus her history
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Speaker 8: of driving at an excess of speed at times all
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Speaker 8: amounts to her malice. She's gross neglig and she's reckless
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Speaker 8: in getting behind the wheel and driving at that speed
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Speaker 8: in an area in which there frequently are people and
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Speaker 8: young people exercising involved in recreation. And because of that,
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Speaker 8: there's ample evidence to convict her of second degree murder.
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Speaker 1: Well, now we're getting a whole spin on it, and
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Speaker 1: luckily for tuitously today we have with us a premier
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Speaker 1: accident reconstruction as senior engineer co owner of Vera Tech
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Speaker 1: Joseph Tremblay Joseph, I got a few things to run
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Speaker 1: by you, But first, Stacy Stewart, the CEO of Mothers
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Speaker 1: Against Drunk Driving MAD, which has now taken off across
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Speaker 1: this country and as a veritable force against drunk driving.
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Speaker 1: Stacy Stewart Aman Murphy, isn't it true that she would
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Speaker 1: not willingly give a blood draw and that she wouldn't quote,
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Speaker 1: really blow into the breathalyzer.
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Speaker 6: I've heard that about them, that she wasn't really blowing
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Speaker 6: and that's why they wanted to get the blood. And
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Speaker 6: while you had those readings that were point oh seventy six,
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Speaker 6: and then later on the blood draw reading is higher.
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Speaker 6: She did not give consent to have the blood drawn.
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Speaker 6: She said she wanted to ask her her husband when
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Speaker 6: they said will you consent to this? So instead there
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Speaker 6: was a forced blood draw. She was taken to the
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Speaker 6: hospital by the police and there her blood was taken
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Speaker 6: and that's where they got the point oh eight result.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Stacy Stewart joining US CEO of Mothers Against Drunk
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Speaker 1: driving mad stacy. If she's point eight hours later, once
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Speaker 1: she gets to the hospital and they perform the blood draw,
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Speaker 1: there's no telling what she was because alcohol dissipates in
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Speaker 1: the body in fact.
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Speaker 9: Right, and if she was at point oh eight three
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Speaker 9: hours after the crash occurd, then she was significantly higher
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Speaker 9: than that presumably at the time of the crash. I'm
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Speaker 9: sure I know that that's what the prosecutors will will argue.
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Speaker 9: And one of the things I think, one of the
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Speaker 9: things that I think a lot of people Nancy don't
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Speaker 9: understand is that even at levels less than point oh eight,
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Speaker 9: drivers aren't paired. You know, there's a there was a
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Speaker 9: bill introduced in California, and there's one that's been introducing
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Speaker 9: other states trying to move the legal limit to point
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Speaker 9: oh five blood alcohol concentration level, because all the studies
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Speaker 9: that we have seen have shown that the risk of
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Speaker 9: crash is significantly higher at point oh five, seven times
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Speaker 9: higher as compared to for drivers that are at anywhere
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Speaker 9: from point oh five to point oh eight, as.
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Speaker 10: Compared to drivers with no alcohol in their system.
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Speaker 9: So we know that at any level of drinking and
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Speaker 9: get and driving, a driver can be impaired. And can
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Speaker 9: and dangerously put themselves at risk or others, as is
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Speaker 9: the case here obviously from the facts that we know.
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Speaker 6: There's one other thing to say here, Nancy, which is
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Speaker 6: that the psychochology report also showed a small amount of value.
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Speaker 6: So the prosecution is going to say that there's an
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Speaker 6: interaction between the value and the alcohol which increases the
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Speaker 6: impairment effect, even if you have a level of reading
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Speaker 6: that is not all that high in terms of the
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Speaker 6: legal limit, Nancy.
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Speaker 9: One thing I would just say about that is go ahead.
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Speaker 9: One of the things I would just say about that
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Speaker 9: point is that we are seeing a concerning trend of
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Speaker 9: what we call poly use, so the use of alcohol
21:36
Speaker 9: and other substances like prescription drugs, value like cannabis.
21:41
Speaker 10: So in state that has.
21:43
Speaker 9: Also legalized marijuana where it's more widely available, moving the
21:48
Speaker 9: blood alcohol concentration level to point oh five, it's even
21:51
Speaker 9: more critical because multiple substances can lead to even more
21:55
Speaker 9: impairment by drivers, and we're seeing a disturbing trend about
21:58
Speaker 9: that where we've seen an increase.
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Speaker 10: In impair driving fatalities.
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Speaker 9: It's thirty five percent even over the past five few years.
22:06
Speaker 10: So we're seeing an increasing trend, and.
22:08
Speaker 9: Of course this multiple use of substances is obviously an
22:11
Speaker 9: issue that we have to address.
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Speaker 3: JUSTINH.
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Speaker 1: Stott Morgan joining US Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
22:17
Speaker 1: A Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon, and star of
22:20
Speaker 1: a hit series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan Scott,
22:25
Speaker 1: Why and how does all that alcohol dissipate in just
22:30
Speaker 1: three hours?
22:31
Speaker 11: Well, it's metabolic change or or processing rather, so your
22:36
Speaker 11: body is actually metabolizing this alcohol that has been ingested previously.
22:42
Speaker 11: And that's why you know, once someone has become inebriated
22:49
Speaker 11: over a period of time, once they stop drinking, it
22:52
Speaker 11: stands to reason that the body is still processing all
22:55
Speaker 11: of this alcohol that's contained in the body of the ethanol,
22:59
Speaker 11: and as it's being burned off in the body, you
23:03
Speaker 11: begin to kind of return back to a level of normalcy,
23:07
Speaker 11: but it takes a while for it to all get
23:09
Speaker 11: out of your body. And so what's key here is
23:13
Speaker 11: when you are in law enforcement and you're attempting to
23:16
Speaker 11: conduct a test on an individual to measure it, you're
23:21
Speaker 11: fighting you're fighting against time here because you can't fight
23:25
Speaker 11: metabolism in the body. So it's a race. So the
23:28
Speaker 11: longer you wait, the less the level will be. But
23:32
Speaker 11: you know, you kind of project this back. If you're
23:34
Speaker 11: talking about three hour delay, you can kind of hypothesize
23:39
Speaker 11: that the level would have been much higher and with
23:43
Speaker 11: a much greater level of impairment as well. And you
23:46
Speaker 11: couple that with value, and it's a deadly mix.
23:49
Speaker 1: The grieving parents of two little boys mowed down dead
23:52
Speaker 1: by a wealthy socialite, Rebecca Grossman, Oh well, it was
23:56
Speaker 1: a horrific, horrific hit and run. Waited nearly four years
24:03
Speaker 1: to see her finally convicted by a jury and sent
24:07
Speaker 1: to jail for fifteen years to life. Don't worry, she'll
24:10
Speaker 1: get our early. But now they're hitting her and her
24:13
Speaker 1: family where it hurts them the most. In the bank account.
24:18
Speaker 1: That's right. The parents have filed an unlawful death civil
24:21
Speaker 1: lawsuit against a Grossman. They've even asked an LA judge
24:25
Speaker 1: to let them probe the finances of Grossman, who is
24:29
Speaker 1: estimated to be worth at least twenty million dollars. This
24:35
Speaker 1: after they have been forced to endure losing their two
24:38
Speaker 1: beloved little boys, Mark eleven and Jacob eight. Take a
24:43
Speaker 1: listen to Captain Salvador Materira.
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Speaker 12: Two cars were racing. We believe speed is a factor,
24:50
Speaker 12: alcohol is a factor. The family were in a marked
24:54
Speaker 12: a crosswalk, clearly marked. As she realized there are two
25:00
Speaker 12: car speeding her way, she was able to reach out
25:02
Speaker 12: and grab one of her children off of a razor scooter,
25:06
Speaker 12: pulled the child back with the stroller, with another child
25:09
Speaker 12: a stroller as the car entered the intersection and hit
25:13
Speaker 12: the other two boys.
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Speaker 1: What more do we know about what happened when these
25:17
Speaker 1: two little boys were mowed down dead? Listen to our
25:22
Speaker 1: friends at crime online.
25:23
Speaker 4: Deputies reportedly catch up with the white Mercedes with significant
25:27
Speaker 4: front end damage a third of a mile from the scene.
25:29
Speaker 4: Behind the wheel is Rebecca Grossman. A deputy describes finding
25:33
Speaker 4: the vehicle stopped at the curb and Grossman saying she
25:36
Speaker 4: didn't know why her airbag had been triggered. As Grossman
25:39
Speaker 4: speaks to a nine to one to one operator, she's
25:41
Speaker 4: asked if she hit someone. Grossman can be heard saying,
25:44
Speaker 4: I don't know what I hit.
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Speaker 13: One of the boys struck in the crosswalk is pronounced
25:47
Speaker 13: dead on the scene, according to KCl, and another boy
25:50
Speaker 13: dies in the hospital. Police were able to arrest fifty
25:53
Speaker 13: seven year old Rebecca Grossman, a well known figure in
25:55
Speaker 13: the community who appeared on KCl in the past as
25:58
Speaker 13: the founder and chair of the Grossman Burne Foundation. She's
26:01
Speaker 13: also been recognized for her humanitarian work around the world.
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Speaker 13: Captain Salvador Besara says it is senseless and could have
26:08
Speaker 13: been avoided by ordering an uberg or calling a friend.
26:11
Speaker 13: Rebecca Grossman did not stay on the scene. She was
26:14
Speaker 13: arrested a quarter of a mile away.
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Speaker 1: So Amon Murphy from the Acorn Newspapers. She flees the
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Speaker 1: scene and it sorts, saying I don't know what I hit.
26:22
Speaker 1: She's in the wide high powered Mercedes with all of
26:26
Speaker 1: the damage to the front right in the middle of
26:28
Speaker 1: the grill.
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Speaker 6: That's right. She kept driving. The engine was cut off
26:33
Speaker 6: remotely because the airbag had deployed, so the car eventually
26:37
Speaker 6: stopped and she was found by deputy.
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Speaker 1: That's probably the only reason she stopped. A supposed the
26:42
Speaker 1: car forced her to stop when the airbag deployed. With
26:46
Speaker 1: me is Joseph Trimblay, a premier accident reconstruction, a senior
26:51
Speaker 1: engineer co owner Veritech Consulting Engineering. Joseph, I wanted you
26:56
Speaker 1: to hear these facts, so you could give me your analysis.
27:01
Speaker 3: What do you think.
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Speaker 14: Well, let's talk about that car a little bit more
27:05
Speaker 14: and the damage to the front end. It's pretty obvious
27:10
Speaker 14: that there's significant damage to both the front clip and
27:14
Speaker 14: the hood, which is very consistent with contact made between
27:19
Speaker 14: the car and a pedestrian in this case.
27:23
Speaker 1: Oh right, I see what you're talking about when you
27:25
Speaker 1: say the front grill or I say grill and you
27:28
Speaker 1: say hood. You know, if you look at that picture,
27:31
Speaker 1: Joseph Tremblay, and of course I'm a civilian in this matter,
27:35
Speaker 1: it looks like there is a spot where a boy's
27:40
Speaker 1: body could lay, almost.
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Speaker 3: Like a hammock has been formed in her hood.
27:46
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's correct, and I think that's probably what happened
27:49
Speaker 14: in this case, is that one of the little boys
27:53
Speaker 14: actually ended up on the hood, as tragic as that sounds,
27:57
Speaker 14: and was carried by the car for a significant distance
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Speaker 14: after impact. And another thing that's interesting to note on
28:06
Speaker 14: that picture that you're referring to, where you see the
28:09
Speaker 14: front end damage, you also see underneath the car there's
28:13
Speaker 14: a puddle of fluid, almost as if perhaps the car
28:20
Speaker 14: sustains some sort of mechanical damage from this contact, and
28:24
Speaker 14: not only was the car disabled because of the airbag deployment,
28:28
Speaker 14: it may not have been drivable at all because of
28:30
Speaker 14: the coolant leak. That's probably what happened here.
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Speaker 1: Hell, I'm trying to furiously take notes as you write.
28:39
Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that her defense is that it
28:42
Speaker 1: was her boyfriend that did it, the one driving the
28:45
Speaker 1: other car. When they pull this vehicle over, she had
28:49
Speaker 1: been forced to stop, either from the fluid leakage or
28:53
Speaker 1: because the airbag deployed. She did you hear this part
28:58
Speaker 1: to you, Robert Crispin. She wouldn't quote really blow into
29:03
Speaker 1: the breathalyzer, don't you know.
29:06
Speaker 3: It's because she knew she was.
29:08
Speaker 1: Drunk, and she thought by just going and not really
29:11
Speaker 1: blowing into it fully, she might beat the breathalyzer.
29:15
Speaker 5: So listen, the breathalyzer machines are very accurate, and they're
29:19
Speaker 5: very sensitive, and they're built for people that are going
29:22
Speaker 5: to do that. So clearly, it obtained a reasonable sample
29:27
Speaker 5: to come up with an indication and a reading being
29:31
Speaker 5: the point zero seven to six. So yes, I've had
29:36
Speaker 5: a bunch of people, and I've arrested over one hundred
29:39
Speaker 5: people for DUI in my career. Yes, people always try
29:42
Speaker 5: to do that, They always try to very lightly blow,
29:45
Speaker 5: but these machines are built for that. They sense that
29:48
Speaker 5: the machines aren't stupid. So if I could just add
29:51
Speaker 5: one thing about the point when she went up to
29:55
Speaker 5: the point eight, and I think your doctor will also
29:58
Speaker 5: be able to confirm with this. You can drink alcohol
30:03
Speaker 5: and have three drinks right now and getting your car
30:06
Speaker 5: two seconds, which is a very stupid thing to do,
30:08
Speaker 5: but you can drive a half a block away and
30:10
Speaker 5: get home and you're probably still under the legal limit because,
30:14
Speaker 5: as the doctor says, the alcohol hasn't processed your body. Clearly,
30:18
Speaker 5: she was going up in her BAC level or her
30:21
Speaker 5: blood alcohol level, which I surmise is why the prosecution
30:25
Speaker 5: did not charge her with DUI because at the time
30:29
Speaker 5: she took that first test. Now maybe it was a
30:32
Speaker 5: PBT test, maybe it was a roadside test, I don't know,
30:35
Speaker 5: but whatever machine she blew into, and then they took
30:39
Speaker 5: the other blood tests at the hospital, I believe in
30:43
Speaker 5: the three hours and the doctor can confirm us her
30:45
Speaker 5: blood alcohol level was going up. And I have a
30:48
Speaker 5: feeling that the prosecution said err on the side of
30:51
Speaker 5: caution because they're going to say she wasn't DUI at
30:55
Speaker 5: the time of the crash. At the time of the crash,
31:00
Speaker 5: that's a big deal at the time of the crash.
31:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, that explains why they didn't charge her driving under
31:04
Speaker 1: the influence because they that count it could taint or
31:09
Speaker 1: poison the rest of the counts. They absolutely know they
31:12
Speaker 1: can prove to be UI. Yeah, to be DUI across
31:17
Speaker 1: the country, you got to be in most jurisdics, just
31:19
Speaker 1: point zero eight. And at first she blew point zero
31:24
Speaker 1: seven six, which rounds up to point eight.
31:27
Speaker 3: But that's not good enough. When she gets.
31:29
Speaker 1: To the hospital she does the blood test shows point
31:34
Speaker 1: zero eight. I personally trust a blood test more than
31:37
Speaker 1: the breathalyzer, and the breathalyzer may have hit low because
31:41
Speaker 1: she's going not really blowing into it. But we're gonna
31:46
Speaker 1: hear more about that during the trial. You know another thing,
31:49
Speaker 1: and I'm very curious about this. I'll throw this to
31:53
Speaker 1: Joseph Tremblay. Our accent reconstruction is joining us. A former
31:58
Speaker 1: LA County sheriff's deputy specializes in traffic crashes, testified at
32:03
Speaker 1: a preliminary hearing his name Robert Appadaka, that he had
32:07
Speaker 1: never seen a person thrown two hundred and fifty four
32:11
Speaker 1: feet my impact, it's the farthest he has ever known
32:15
Speaker 1: a human to be thrown in a crash.
32:19
Speaker 14: What about it, Tremblay, I think that is a significant distance,
32:24
Speaker 14: and I am also very surprised at that distance. That's incredible,
32:29
Speaker 14: And I think there's probably two factors that really contributed
32:34
Speaker 14: to that number. And the first was that as we
32:37
Speaker 14: touched on earlier, I think one of these pedestrians, one
32:40
Speaker 14: of these little boys, was actually up on the hood
32:45
Speaker 14: for a distance while the car was driving. And you know,
32:47
Speaker 14: this car is going pretty fast seventy eighty miles per
32:50
Speaker 14: hour according to evidence, and it doesn't take a whole
32:55
Speaker 14: lot of time to cover that kind of distance. So
32:58
Speaker 14: there was probably a portion of that two hundred and
33:02
Speaker 14: fifty four feet in which the little boy was on
33:06
Speaker 14: the hood and then was vaulted off of the hood
33:09
Speaker 14: at some point and then you know, unfortunately came to
33:14
Speaker 14: rest where he did. But both of those factors kind
33:19
Speaker 14: of contribute to that distance. And I want to I
33:22
Speaker 14: want to swing back and talk about this car a
33:24
Speaker 14: little bit more. One thing that's kind of unique to
33:29
Speaker 14: Mercedes is Mercedes has done a lot of safety improvements
33:36
Speaker 14: to their vehicles because they know that pedestrian accidents are very,
33:41
Speaker 14: very dangerous and they're usually fatal, and it's it's very
33:44
Speaker 14: serious when these occur. So the one of the safety
33:48
Speaker 14: features on all Mercedes cars ever since twenty nineteen is
33:53
Speaker 14: called pre Safe and that's a that's a system that's
33:58
Speaker 14: designed to detect pedestrians. Now, the only way that that
34:04
Speaker 14: system will work is if the car is traveling forty
34:09
Speaker 14: five miles per hour or less. So it goes to
34:13
Speaker 14: stay that we could consider if this driver, Grossman, if
34:18
Speaker 14: she was traveling the speed limit, this accident may have
34:21
Speaker 14: never happened.
34:22
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know about pretty Safe on Mercedes. Crime
34:32
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace and an obvious refusal to accept
34:41
Speaker 1: any responsibility for murdering eight year old Jacob and older
34:46
Speaker 1: brother Mark eleven with her Mercedes there in Vteria, California,
34:52
Speaker 1: she writes to the mother of the victims, asking the
34:57
Speaker 1: mother to come and visit her behind bars to see
35:01
Speaker 1: how bad she's got it. It's really a lot to
35:05
Speaker 1: take in because these are the real facts. What is
35:09
Speaker 1: a grown woman doing drag racing drunk as a skunk
35:15
Speaker 1: and high as a kite off of valium and booze.
35:18
Speaker 1: Karen started joining me, renowned psychologists joining us out of
35:22
Speaker 1: the Manhattan jurisdiction at karenstart dot Com. Karen with the Sea, Karen,
35:27
Speaker 1: what's the grown woman doing drag racing with her alleged lover?
35:32
Speaker 1: And this guy is no schlump La Dodgers, play with
35:36
Speaker 1: the La Dodgers and with the New York Yankees, and
35:39
Speaker 1: he's having this alcohol soaked lunch with this married multimillionaire
35:46
Speaker 1: and then they decide to go drag racing.
35:49
Speaker 5: Really, well, you're.
35:51
Speaker 15: Not talking about the kind of grown woman that we
35:53
Speaker 15: would imagine that they've been spending the whole afternoon having
35:58
Speaker 15: a great time drinking. Allegedly he's an ex lover and
36:05
Speaker 15: where I don't know, supposedly for trist I don't know
36:09
Speaker 15: what they were doing. But she's not a sedate, controlled person.
36:14
Speaker 15: She now has value in her system. She's drinking, she's
36:18
Speaker 15: having this great time with an ex lover, and she's
36:21
Speaker 15: just letting loose. What's really telling.
36:23
Speaker 16: To me, I don't know about this isn't my expertise,
36:27
Speaker 16: but the fact that she said, I don't know what
36:30
Speaker 16: I hit to me is saying that she knows she
36:34
Speaker 16: hit something, she just doesn't know what it is that
36:37
Speaker 16: she hit.
36:38
Speaker 1: I mean, get real, Karen Stark, come on, please get
36:41
Speaker 1: out of that ivory tower. She drives what was it
36:44
Speaker 1: a quarter of a mile? A half a mile, Emon Murphy,
36:47
Speaker 1: right with the little boy on her hood? Exactly how
36:52
Speaker 1: far did she drive? Amon with the boy on the hood?
36:55
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not the detail about the boy on the
36:58
Speaker 6: hood has been contested a bit.
37:02
Speaker 3: What does the state say.
37:04
Speaker 6: I mean, initially, I'm not. I don't want to say
37:08
Speaker 6: the say that the figures in the past, because they've
37:11
Speaker 6: been they've been challenged. I mean the car, the car
37:13
Speaker 6: continued driving before she stopped, either a quarter mile or
37:16
Speaker 6: a half mile, so she was you know, she was continuing.
37:19
Speaker 1: Well, where was the little boy's body found?
37:22
Speaker 6: There was? One of them was found in the crosswalk basically,
37:26
Speaker 6: and another was found around two hundred two hundred some
37:30
Speaker 6: feet away.
37:31
Speaker 3: Okay, Tremblay, that's to you.
37:35
Speaker 1: The little boy was found two hundred feet away, at
37:39
Speaker 1: least two hundred feet away. So she drove two thirds
37:43
Speaker 1: of a football field with the boy on her hood.
37:47
Speaker 3: What she couldn't see that?
37:48
Speaker 11: Oh?
37:49
Speaker 14: I think she's oblivious, and it really surprises me that
37:52
Speaker 14: not only did she not see these two little boys
37:56
Speaker 14: before impact. I mean, this is a wide open intersection,
37:59
Speaker 14: and it's a very well lit, well marked crosswalk. It's
38:03
Speaker 14: got there's flashing lights overhead. You can see it for
38:06
Speaker 14: about one thousand.
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Speaker 6: Feet before you get to it.
38:08
Speaker 14: So it's let's let's make sure that that's a point
38:12
Speaker 14: that we talk about here, is that there's no visual
38:15
Speaker 14: obstructions to what you know she can see. But not
38:20
Speaker 14: only that after impact she's completely oblivious. There's there's a
38:25
Speaker 14: little boy on her hood and she continues to drive.
38:28
Speaker 14: That's that's how serious this is. That's that's just plain egregious.
38:32
Speaker 3: You know, Matthew Mangino.
38:34
Speaker 1: Sometimes the defense shoots themselves in the foot, and I
38:39
Speaker 1: think that happened here because the defense came up with
38:42
Speaker 1: a new theory as defense claiming the alleged lover he's
38:47
Speaker 1: the one that was driving her Mercedes as they were
38:50
Speaker 1: drag racing and chasing each other through this residential neighborhood.
38:55
Speaker 1: And now the prosecutor, Jamie Castro, will argue that she,
39:01
Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman, and the professional athlete.
39:08
Speaker 3: Scott Erickson had been in a sex affair.
39:13
Speaker 1: They said they were not going to bring it up
39:15
Speaker 1: until she's now blaming him, claiming it has now become
39:20
Speaker 1: relevant because the defense intends to argue that the black
39:23
Speaker 1: car is at issue in this particular scenario and that
39:28
Speaker 1: they had swapped. So by coming up with this defense,
39:32
Speaker 1: now their sex affair is going to come into evidence.
39:36
Speaker 8: Yeah, it will. And as you said, it wasn't the
39:40
Speaker 8: state's intention to bring up the affair until they tried
39:45
Speaker 8: to put forward this defense that he was driving her vehicle.
39:51
Speaker 8: So that whole issue with regard to their relationship is
39:56
Speaker 8: now something that can be brought before the jury. And obviously,
40:00
Speaker 8: you know, a jury's going to make a decision here
40:03
Speaker 8: and they're going to consider it the fact, but they
40:05
Speaker 8: also are going to consider the credibility the believability of witnesses.
40:11
Speaker 1: The mother of the two little boys who were mowed
40:15
Speaker 1: down dead actually runs out of the courtroom sobbing. Aimon
40:23
Speaker 1: Murphy joining us investigative reporter writer for the Acorn Newspapers,
40:30
Speaker 1: go ahead.
40:30
Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, we heard from the mother of the victims,
40:33
Speaker 6: Nancy Ascander, who described having to jump out of the
40:37
Speaker 6: way of an oncoming black suv with her youngest son,
40:41
Speaker 6: now a white suv coming just up behind it ran
40:44
Speaker 6: through the intersection where her other two boys were. She
40:47
Speaker 6: didn't see it hit them, but she heard a crash
40:50
Speaker 6: as it went by, and then they'd been struck. At
40:54
Speaker 6: one point, after she had testified, they were photographs shown
40:58
Speaker 6: that another witness had taken them the aftermath of the scene,
41:02
Speaker 6: including of a broken skateboard, her oldest son, Mark had
41:05
Speaker 6: been on a skateboard, and also of Mark's body, and
41:09
Speaker 6: Nancy Askander at that point cried out her son's name,
41:13
Speaker 6: Mark's name and had to leave the courtroom in distress.
41:17
Speaker 6: We also heard from some other witnesses of the collisions.
41:22
Speaker 6: None of them saw the white car hit both of
41:25
Speaker 6: the boys, but two of them saw the white car
41:27
Speaker 6: hit one of the boys, and none of them attributed
41:30
Speaker 6: any impact to a black vehicle, which has been the
41:33
Speaker 6: defense's claim that the black car driven by Grossman's then boyfriend,
41:38
Speaker 6: Scott Erickson, was responsible for hitting the boys. We also
41:43
Speaker 6: saw the defense very aggressively across examined two investigators, one
41:48
Speaker 6: of whom did the initial crash report. They were going
41:51
Speaker 6: after his measurements of the debris, which led to his
41:54
Speaker 6: conclusion that speed was the cause of the accident, as
41:58
Speaker 6: well as his conclusion that all the was consistent with
42:01
Speaker 6: the white Mercedes. He was also the same officer to
42:04
Speaker 6: initially come into contact with Rebecca Grossman and her disabled
42:08
Speaker 6: white Mercedes after the accident, and then the officer who
42:12
Speaker 6: conducted the field sobriety test under cross examination acknowledged that
42:16
Speaker 6: not all of the tests were conducted according to the book,
42:21
Speaker 6: which casts some doubt onto his conclusions that she was
42:25
Speaker 6: impaired when he arrested her. Testimony has gotten up to
42:30
Speaker 6: the point where Rebecca Grossman's blood was drawn at the
42:33
Speaker 6: hospital after a warrant was obtained to do a blood draw.
42:38
Speaker 6: So next they're going to get into the chemist's account
42:41
Speaker 6: of the test results, which is important because that result
42:46
Speaker 6: is what was at the point eight level. Three hours
42:50
Speaker 6: after the incident. The breathalyzer results were point seven to
42:53
Speaker 6: six and point seven to five, which are just below
42:57
Speaker 6: that threshold for impairment. You can still be impaired technically
43:01
Speaker 6: below that limit, but it's going to be important for
43:05
Speaker 6: the prosecution to get that test established at that point
43:08
Speaker 6: oh level. And the defense is going to go after
43:11
Speaker 6: the blood draw and the testing.
43:12
Speaker 1: Method you know Stacy Stewart's CEO, when we get mothers
43:16
Speaker 1: against Drunk Driving MAD, I don't get why, after all
43:20
Speaker 1: the publicity that MAD has generated, people still drive drunk.
43:23
Speaker 9: You know.
43:24
Speaker 10: It's it's it's a problem.
43:25
Speaker 9: And as I mentioned earlier, Nancy, we're seeing the numbers
43:28
Speaker 9: going in the wrong direction. A thirty five percent increase
43:31
Speaker 9: in the past several years is astounding, and I think
43:35
Speaker 9: one of the things that's really important is it's really
43:37
Speaker 9: time for us to revisit the laws and.
43:40
Speaker 10: The technology that we have in place. I just was
43:42
Speaker 10: just listening to the technology in Mercedes.
43:44
Speaker 9: You know, even that technology is not sufficient to stop
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Speaker 9: to something like this.
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Speaker 10: But I do want Unanel and others to know that.
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Speaker 9: In twenty twenty one, November twenty twenty one, the Halt
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Speaker 9: Actless passed. It is new legislation that now requires passive,
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Speaker 9: advanced and paer driving prevention systems to be integrated into
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Speaker 9: all new cars starting in twenty twenty six. This is
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Speaker 9: passive technology that would detect impair driving. And it's these
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Speaker 9: kinds of cases that this technology, if it were in place,
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Speaker 9: would have prevented anyone getting behind a wheel at the
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Speaker 9: level of illegal impairment would not be allowed to operate
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Speaker 9: their car. And right now, Matt's biggest priority is getting
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Speaker 9: this technology implemented, getting the while legislation implemented. We're in
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Speaker 9: the process of public commentary right now. This is a
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Speaker 9: huge win, but it's not a win for drivers and
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Speaker 9: for public safety if we every day that we don't
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Speaker 9: have this technology included in cars.
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Speaker 10: But we are close to it.
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Speaker 9: And frankly, this kind of prevention system would have been
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Speaker 9: enormously helpful to have saved the lives of these two
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Speaker 9: precious little boys.
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Speaker 3: Well, you're right, You're right, Stacy Stewart.
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Speaker 1: Hey know what else would have been helpful if Rebecca
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Speaker 1: Grossman hadn't gotten drunk as a skunk at lunch and
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Speaker 1: hot behind the wheeld of her high powered Mercedes.
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Speaker 2: The mom of the two little boys testified on the
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Speaker 2: stand she heard engines roaring as two vehicles sped toward them.
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Speaker 2: She the mom grabbed her baby, leaped out of harms
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Speaker 2: away to save the baby, but couldn't get the other
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Speaker 2: two sons walking just ahead of her, Mark and Jacob.
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Speaker 2: Her next memory, she told the jury, was seeing her
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Speaker 2: boys lying motionless in the road.
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Speaker 13: I think about every milestone that I've lost every day.
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Speaker 4: Anyone here maybe heard this over, I feel that I
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Speaker 4: am dad.
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Speaker 2: Rebecca Grossman, speeding in her Mercedes SUV at over eighty
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Speaker 2: one miles an hour and a forty five zone, plowed
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Speaker 2: straight through the crosswalk. Then she continued driving half a
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Speaker 2: mile before her vehicle shut down.
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Speaker 1: On its own.
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Speaker 2: She actually tried to get away in the last months
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Speaker 2: in appellet court rejected Grossman's claim that the evidence supported
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Speaker 2: at most manslaughter. They rejected it no problem, the boy's
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Speaker 2: mother stated, in response to these letters, quote, I'm still
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Speaker 2: trying to process how someone could make such a request.
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Speaker 2: While I can only imagine how difficult her life behind
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Speaker 2: bars must be, the truth is this, I would trade
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Speaker 2: places with her in a heartbeat. I would live in
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Speaker 2: any prison cell, under any conditions, for the rest of
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Speaker 2: my life if it meant my beautiful boys could be
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Speaker 2: alive again, laughing, dreaming, growing up, and chasing every beautiful
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Speaker 2: future they deserved. Well, we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy
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Speaker 2: Grace's crime stories, signing off goodbye friend,