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Zagging Against Eye Appeal? Has It Gone Too Far? Turn Back The Clock With DoubleD Vintage Baseball Cards & Splendid Sports · Sports Card Clubhouse

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Turn Back the Clock, another
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episode here with my friend. Adam, Splendid sports, Adam,
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How's it going today? Pretty good, man.
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Hey, Dylan, I, you know, I just realized when we jumped on here,
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I'm getting paler and you're, you're getting Tanner.
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I think since I moved back to the Northeast, I was used to
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having a little bit of a tan, you know, living in Arizona
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before. Now I'm looking at myself.
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I'm looking more pale here as the weather is getting cooler in
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the Northeast. So I got to get used to that.
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Well you must be getting ultra pale because I haven't surfed in
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30-4 days, the longest stretch. Of not surfing.
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For me, in at least eight years since I blew my knee out so.
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I haven't been. At the beach I've been staying
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clear 'cause it's kind of heartbreaking to go to the ocean
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and I can't even swim right now anyways.
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So yeah, you must be getting real pale 'cause I'm pretty pale
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for myself so. That's it.
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That's we're in October here. It's been good weather back here
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though, but I just don't get as much sun as I used to these
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days. So what would before we get
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started, is there any timetable on when you can go surfing again
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or is it just like to be determined?
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To be determined my my muscle doesn't work on my right side.
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None of this works. And it's in a lot of pain.
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So to be determined, pinched nerve.
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So, yeah, well, all right. So tonight.
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Guys. We got some fun topics to talk
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about and some cards to share. I'm going to give you guys the
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list of the rundown of what we're going to talking about so
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you guys can look forward to what's coming.
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So the first thing we're going to do is.
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Adam's going to show some cards that either or pickups or cards
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that he was really just been focusing on and looking at or
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cards he's never shared. Cuz I know he's not really
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picking up cards. So I just wanted to talk to him
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about what he's been, you know, cuz some of us, we spend time in
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certain binders more than others are looking at certain cards.
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So that's round one. I'm going to share some cards,
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some pickups that I've been focusing on.
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And then the. Third round is kind of the big
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one and we're going to talk about I appeal stickers.
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Has the price gone too far? For the gold.
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Stickers. Has it not gone far enough?
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Is there more room to run? We're going to really.
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Dive into that topic. Because it's one that's really
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close to my. Heart because of the whole.
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I appeal thing I've been going on in the last three years and
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the centering. Thing and that's all inclusive.
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So I really am excited to talk about this.
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I know this, you know, we talked about, I appeal a lot, but.
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This is going to be a little. Different this is going to be a
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lot of value based I appeal versus you know what's going on
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right now. The whole movement with these
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stickers I'm excited to talk about.
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And then the final. Round if we get to, if we had
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time, it's going to be what really.
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Grinds my gear so. Adam will have a take at it.
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You know, whether it's a rant or just.
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Something that's been bothering them, something in the hobby
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that he's. Been on his brain and I'm going
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to likewise do one. We'll keep them to a minimum,
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but have some fun with it. Shout out to, you know, Tony
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Southern collector and Mike. They do this at the end.
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They always do 1 and. I've always wanted to do what
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really grinds my gear from the Family Guy episode for years,
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but I've never had the heart to like to really lay into it.
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But I think we're going to. We're going to have fun with
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this one, so. Let's dive right in, Adam.
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What have you been up to with the car collecting world right
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now? Yeah, so I mentioned before to
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you that I was taking a break and I I've stuck to that.
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Now I do have some big pickups I've never shown, but I promise
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these were picked up before I took my break, right?
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So you know how I go I'll, I'll pick up like big cars, but I'll
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just let them sit for a while without showing anyone or saying
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anything. I just kind of want to keep it
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to myself and then at some point in the future I, I like to show
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what I picked up. But so these, these are massive
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pickups for me, like big pickups, 2 of them and I haven't
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shown them out here on YouTube. So they were picked up before.
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I think when I when I started taking my break, it was like
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maybe July or I don't know end of July or something like that.
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So it's been a couple months, but I haven't bought anything
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big and I don't plan to for the rest of the year at least you
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know. So let me show the first one
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now. Well.
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Put yourself on big screen. OK, see it up close.
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So I got to take it out. It's in a little plastic thing
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here and I take it out. There we go.
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Yeah, I'll put it. Put it on Solo here all right,
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so as you know, I like to collect Tom Brady cards.
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I did a run where I have all 44 of his base rookie cards.
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So was happy to complete that, but I always had to stop my head
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like I'll never have his best card, right, because it's Tom
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Brady and it's kind of like Michael Jordan or even, you
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know, some of these other goats in the hobby.
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Their their cards are so expensive that you never really
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get their best card. But I think I was able to get
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Tom Brady's best football card. It's not a rookie card, but it
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is the 2002 tops his first ever game used relic card autograph
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card. And this is a so is auto right
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there. It's it's hand numbered for
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those listening hand numbered to 150.
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So it was 150 of them and it's on card auto pack pulled.
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And it's the the coolest part to me is it's got an authentic
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game. Use football from his first
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Super Bowl, the 2002 Super Bowl 36, and you can see the Wilson
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of the football there. Dude.
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Again, I think this is Tom Brady's best card.
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It's by no means his most expensive card.
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He's got cards that would go for $1,000,000 or more.
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You know, he's got one of one rookie cards.
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But I think when you're saying a player's best card, it doesn't
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always mean the rarest card or even the most expensive card.
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And in this case, I think this is his best card because even
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though his rookie year was the year 2000, Topps never made
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cards of his until 2002. He didn't have any Topps cards
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from 2000 or 2001. So I mean, it's Topps.
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It's the brand first year of Topps.
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It's his first game used rail card.
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And the game that it was from, it was his.
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He played for 20 something seasons.
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This was his, you know, second season in the league, but the
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first he really played and this was his most important game, the
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first Super Bowl. So I mean a a game used ball
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from the from the from the Super Bowl, his first Super Bowl, the
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most important game autograph. I think it's his best card.
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Some people would disagree. You feel free to disagree in the
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comments. I know he's got some big rookie
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cards, but I think when you factor everything in, this is
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his best card. So I was able to pick this up.
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You know, I I forget what month, but it was back before I took
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the break and this was one of the reasons I took a break is
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because I went heavy. So hold.
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On don't move past that card, I got some thoughts.
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Yeah, dude, I think, you know, I love it.
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Back. Hold on.
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Let me put it back. There we go.
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Sorry. I love that you say that's his
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best card because IA 100% agree. I think there's a big difference
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between vintage cards and modern cards.
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I think the modern hobby the modern.
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Cards, you know it's. The the rookie cards to me
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aren't always the main focus and I really.
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Love that where vintage the rookie cards the main focus
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because there's not as many and it's the first one and when you
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when you find a you know, guys. Cards through the years.
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On Modern man, you can have one in the middle of his career that
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just shines beyond the other. One just looks incredibly
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better. But for that card in particular,
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I. Think being the 1st.
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Of its. Kind the very first you say, I
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guess it's not a jersey card, but relic relic card.
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And auto. And.
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First auto too. First, his first, Not his first
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auto card. He's got some of those in his
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rookie year, but it's his first auto relic card, you know first.
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Auto relic card now that to me. Rings a bell and I don't think
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that I I think the future of card that's going to be a.
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Really big sticking point. I know a lot of guys are already
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into that, like Shane shoebox legends.
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He loves the first of first, the parallels and when they have a
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long tradition, 2001 tops being numbered to 2001.
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I think that. Goes a long way.
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I think that's a, that's an incredible card out of I, you
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know, I'm not a football guy. But I can't really get fired up.
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And I get passionate when guys like you share their football
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cards and they they talk about things like that.
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And I think that's a monumental card.
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You know, I think you did well right there.
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I think it's under, I mean, again, I, I bought it with the,
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with the long term collecting thing, right?
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Like someday we're going to sell maybe all of our cards, at least
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some of our cards. I, I hope to hold this as long
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as I hold my collection, but I feel like this is a card that
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when I do sell it someday, if I ever sell it, I think it could
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be worth a lot more than I I paid for it.
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I think it's one of those cards. So I saw not only did I want it
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for the collection, but I also saw it as something that was a
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good buy, I think, and I could see it going up a lot in the
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future. So it could be a good investment
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too. If that wasn't in the slab,
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would you touch that football? Of course, yeah.
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And, and actually I have, I had it.
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So he, he has another card from 2004, I think that I have where
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it's, it's a game used football from the same game.
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So, but it no autograph. So it was a couple years later
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from Don Ross and I had it and it was in a what was it SGC slab
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or something like that. When I bought it, I cracked it
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out and I, I, I felt the football.
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Yeah. I'm like, I want to touch a
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football from that, that game. You know what's funny?
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I put it, I posted this on Instagram and there's a guy on
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Instagram called Patrick Ryan P Ryan collection.
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He's a, you know, he has a big collection, he's a heavy
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collector and he he has a copy of this card too.
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And he agreed that it's his best card, Tom Brady's best card.
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But one of the things he mentioned and I didn't really
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think too much about. I I like the design on the card,
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just the, the, the red, white and blue in the background and
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everything. But what he he mentioned is
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it's, it's got a it's like a post 911.
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This game 2002, it was like a few months after 911, like four
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months or five months in the, in the Patriots, the Patriots after
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911, it was like a very symbolic thing.
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And that Super Bowl, they designed that whole Super Bowl
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to be very like patriotic and everything based on 9/11 and U2
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played half time the Super Bowl. It was just like, it was a very
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meaningful game for a lot of reasons for not only the
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Patriots, but just kind of a, a different, different vibe at
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that game. And the New England sports scene
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changed forever after this game, too.
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I'm, I'm talking, I'm one of those people who believes the
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Red Sox never would have won the World Series in 2004 a couple
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years later if the Patriots didn't win this game.
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I'm telling you that the whole area was just negative, right?
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Like we hadn't won anything in forever.
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Everyone always expected something bad to happen or
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nothing good to happen. And this game changed the whole
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mindset. I'm telling you, everyone all of
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a sudden was like positive think, oh, we can win, we can do
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it, you know, And Tom Brady was the reason for that.
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I, I believe he was the biggest reason.
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And after that, next thing you know, the Red Sox win and they
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keep winning and the Celtics win again and the Bruins and the
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Patriots win five more Super Bowl.
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So it changed everything this game.
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So for me, it was just I had to go for it.
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I had to get this one and yeah, I so happy to get that that
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card, man, but I'll I'll let you go now.
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No, I. Want to see?
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I want to see your next one you wanted.
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Me to go again OK, yeah, go again all right well, this is a
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I'll just do this quick, but I'm not going to go solo because
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everyone's seen this card right. This is the 1960 Topps Mickey
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Mantle base card. I just I was looking at this
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card to your question like I feel like this is a Mickey
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Mantle card that doesn't get as much publicity as some of the
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other ones. I I don't I don't see this that
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much like people showing it off and stuff like that and I've
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always loved it. This is one of my favorite
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mantle cards. I just love the design.
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I just always love this card, the colors, the logo put.
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Yourself solo, Adam. I wanna see.
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I wanna see that centered beauty.
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I will. It's pretty, it's pretty
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centered. It's it's a it's a good grade,
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but not not the most centered, but it's good.
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It's a good one. I don't know.
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It really does the. Colors on that it just screams
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Mickey Mantle and New York Yankees and.
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Yeah. The 1960 tops, Mickey Mantle, I
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personally, that's one of my favorites.
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And again, it's not the one you see when people pick up a
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mantle. You don't see the 60 tops that
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much. But for me, it's always been one
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of my favorite designs. So I've been thinking about that
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car lately. I wanted to show that one.
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And then the last one. Again, this was picked up before
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I took my break. This was one of the last ones I
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picked up. And again, the card I've wanted
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for years and it is the 1967 Sandy Koufax Retorado.
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And let me tell you something, I was not planning on getting this
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card yet I was. It was one of the cards that I
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had on my long term list. But when I saw this copy pop up,
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it's a 1.5 SGC for those listening.
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It is the one of the nicest fronts that I've ever seen in my
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life. It's it's centered, there's no
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paper loss. The colors are just fantastic.
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It was like the perfect copy for me.
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And I just said I got to get this one because if I'm going to
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get this card, this is the one I'm getting now on the back
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because it's it's got a little paper loss.
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It's a 1.5. These are in albums in
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Venezuela, but I said I'm getting this one.
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So I finally added this card to the collection and I have to
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mention that James Elite Hunter, because when I started doing my
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three and three series, he was one of the, I think he was maybe
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the 4th or fifth one that I did it with.
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And this was one of his cards on the list.
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And I honestly, I did not even know about this card before he
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came on on my channel. And, and right when I saw it, I
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in my head, I said, I'm getting that someday I'm getting I'm
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getting that card. It's the coolest photo I've ever
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seen on a, on a pitcher card. He's got his hand wrapped around
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the ball just amazing. So I, that was at least a couple
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years ago, maybe three years ago when he did that, when he when
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James came on my show and here we are.
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I I finally got it. So that's a major pick up for
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me. And I guess you could say it
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might be saying again. Here's here's an interesting
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question. Do you consider like this Sandy
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Koufax's best card or is it his rookie card?
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Even though there's like less than 100 of these that that are
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known, but there's a lot more his rookie card.
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What would you say is a better card?
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What's his best card? I mean, dude, you're talking
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about talking to the rookie card machine here.
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Yeah, right. I mean, I just, I can't get past
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his rookie card. I I think it's just absolutely
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beautiful. I can't get past that.
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I know. Is that card incredible?
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Would I trade a rookie card for that?
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Yes, because the value and the look of it's outstanding, but my
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brain can't separate the tops rookie cards from, you know,
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anything else beating them. So yeah, because my problem the.
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Best card doesn't always mean it's the rarest card of the the
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person's car right? So I would agree with you.
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I think if someone said what's his best card it's his rookie
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card. But maybe my favorite card is.
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Is this 1 here? I'll tell you what, you know
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what's funny out of the three? Cards you shared.
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If you were to let me have any one of those cards, I would take
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that Tom Brady. I just the story he told and the
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way it presents and. The football on there, like
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having a youth football from that game, I think I don't even
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like football. Like I barely even know what
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football is. I would choose.
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That card out of all of them, I think it's really sick to have
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on my wall and then like my nieces and nephews come over,
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that would blow their freaking little kids brains off their
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skull, you know? I just think that's really sick.
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As much as I love Mantle and Koufax, but that's pretty.
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Those are some bangers at them. Those are, yeah, those are some
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big ones for me. So now you understand more of
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why I've been saying I need to take a break and I am taking a
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break because I went, I got, I had some major pickups earlier
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in the year. So that's why now you probably
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understand that a little better. Yeah, you dropped the hammer for
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sure. I dropped the hammer man.
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I just, I went for it and now I'm just coasting.
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Now I'm coasting. Awesome All right, I'll show you
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guys just a couple of pickups and then we're going to go head
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head into the topic of the night.
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So if you guys follow my YouTube channel at all, you know I've
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been really going after Japanese vintage baseball cards of some
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of my favorite players, you know?
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Oh, Haramoto and Shigeo. But I've also am obsessed with
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certain sets and this set right here in 1961 JGA 21 Shonen
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Magazine playing cards. This is Katsua Nomura and I've
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been picking up some of these cards when they pop up from my
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buddy Robert Prestige. Auctions.
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He has a what? Not show.
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And every Tuesday and Saturday he's selling vintage Japanese
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baseball cards. And this is my favorite set.
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And he had, I think, 4 different ones that I didn't know, you
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know? I didn't know existed to begin
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with because I never really looked up the.
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Checklist or anything but this guy is number two all time home
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run leader in Japan with 657 behind Satahara.
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Oh, what I mean this card is. Epic to begin with, but what?
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Really blew my mind is that I have a card in my collection and
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I shared this on my channel. So forgive me if you've watched
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my channel, but nobody watched that video anyways.
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So. I'm going to share it again.
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I had this 1973 Kalbi card which 1973 Kalbi is the very first
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Kalbi set that. They put out.
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In Japan, and these cards came in packs of potato chips and I
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believe other food products as well, and they came one card per
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pack and the set's massive like 800 cards.
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Well, this card I bought at it wasn't an auction.
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It was after the fact, but I had this in my collection, Kay.
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And what I didn't know was this guy playing catch it here.
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This is Tarahara O and #1 in home runs, this guy playing
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catcher is Nomura and he's the number two home run king.
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In Japan and I. Already had this in my
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collection so it it blew my brain knowing that I had this
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incredible card in my collection.
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I had no idea who the other guy on the card.
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Was. And it just made the card I
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already own. Even more special.
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Like I was just. Like thrilled out on my mind
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because every time I pick up a card of a different Hall of
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Famer in the Japanese league from my buddy Rob or anywhere
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else, I Google him, print out his Wikipedia and I learn about
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him. Well, once I realized I had
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another card with him on it. So the guy in the front home run
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champion O and the guy in the back behind him really special.
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So stoked. So just.
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Made another card extra special so there's that.
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And then my next pick up. Guys, watch my channel.
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This is all because of you, Adam.
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You know this. My entire life selling cards on
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eBay for. 20 years I learned that Mickey Mantle sold the best
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and what I would do over the course of probably.
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The after the. First like 6 years of selling
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cards on eBay I realized the only cards I can actually sell
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on eBay and not get addicted to holding them.
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Were just base cards and just standard insert cards.
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And I learned that Mickey Mantle sells across the board.
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His base cards sell for $4.00 to $5 all day long.
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So over the years I bought thousands and thousands,
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probably over 10,000 Mantle base cards.
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And what I didn't know at the time was that Tops used Mickey
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Mantle as card number 7 in. The base.
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Set the only Hall of Famer, the only retired player in their
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base set from they used them in 1996 and then they skipped some
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years. I think they didn't have his
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license and then they re got his license in 2000 and. 6 All the.
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Way to 2012 and I've been collecting all the rare cards
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that I have been selling, the base cards of all.
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These years because of you. Adam, because you were buying
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those base cards from me and I'm like, who's buying these base
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cards and you're getting them graded?
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And I'm like, it just got me thinking like, why don't I pick
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up, try and find the rare copies of these cards?
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I look, oh, I probably have fifty of these, you know, base
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cards sold. Hundreds.
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Of them, and this is the printing plate from 2011.
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And this is top. Series one, this is the magenta
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one of one. These were one in every 1500
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packs and then you have the times 1500 packs times 660 cards
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in the set. So astronomically.
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Difficult card to pull and. From one of the most famous
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sets. In baseball history, in my
22:06
opinion, because it's got the. Trout and it's got some.
22:09
Glorious cards in it and this is the one of one.
22:12
This is the card that made every single card that I've been
22:16
selling all these years, and I can't tell you guys enough how
22:21
much the printing plates mean to me as a collector as I open
22:25
these up. Back in the day, they blew my
22:28
mind in the 2000s and I never thought to really collect them.
22:32
But now as I get them, knowing the history of they created the
22:37
original cards and there's only four of them, and not all of
22:40
them look that good. You got to be particular on
22:44
which ones you pick up. But some of them, just like this
22:47
one, looks outstanding. And I'm, I'm having the time,
22:51
absolute time of my life hunting them down.
22:56
Yeah, they're just, to me, they're just for the bang for
22:58
the buck and for the scarcity. I'm the only one in the world
23:01
that can own it and it made all the other cards that exist of
23:06
that card in that set. Just baffles my collecting.
23:09
Brain. So yeah, I scored that just, you
23:12
know, like last month. So yeah, that's what I got for
23:15
you. I'm telling you man, I don't
23:17
know if it's a coincidence or not, but you you started showing
23:21
these printing plates on YouTube, Mickey Mantle printing
23:23
plates. I'm starting to see more plenty
23:25
printing plates all over the place now with on Instagram and
23:29
some other people talking about, you know, printing plates.
23:31
So I don't know if it's just a coincidence or not, but you're
23:35
always ahead of the game. Yeah, First it was the centering
23:38
and then it was the Japanese cards, and now it's the printing
23:42
plates. I you got.
23:43
Let me know before the next thing.
23:44
Let me know ahead of time. I need to know about this stuff.
23:47
I dude I I have seen a lot of printing plates lately.
23:52
I seen a guy the other day on Instagram like he's trying to
23:55
get all the Allen against her printing plates from 2006 I go.
23:58
I've never seen her printing plate on Instagram for years,
24:02
you know, or anywhere. And yeah, you're right, I don't
24:05
think it has anything to do with.
24:06
Me. But yeah, I've been collecting
24:07
them for two years now, Jackie. Robinson and Mickey Mantle.
24:12
And I'm starting to see big guys collect printing plates and I'm
24:15
like, I'm telling you, man, like the proofs from back in the day
24:19
were worth a fortune. You know, these are, to me
24:23
better than proofs. I mean, these are these made the
24:25
other cards and there's no exception to.
24:27
It there's only four. Different colors.
24:29
They've produced all the cards. So yeah, ultra special.
24:34
Who knows if they're going to be worth anything more in the
24:36
future, but as a collector, it's really special.
24:40
So OK, all that said, let's rock'n'roll into the topic of
24:44
the night I want to talk about. And it's not just I appeal guys.
24:49
I know that gets beaten with a dead.
24:50
Horse. I'm talking about stickers, so I
24:54
know PWCC has always had stickers and you get them.
24:58
For free if you send them cards even to this day, and they have
25:03
to be cards worth over I think $200 to begin with.
25:06
And they'll give you a free sticker if it's.
25:07
Deserving. And back in the day, those cards
25:10
would always the PWCC auctions would always deem more money.
25:15
And I bought a lot of cards back in the day from PWCC because
25:18
they had tons of auctions going and a lot of the ones I had had
25:21
bought had stickers on them. I didn't realize at the time
25:26
that's why they were going for more, but they weren't
25:28
astronomical more. They were like 10% more than
25:32
other auctions that would go on. But what I did back in the day
25:36
as I get the thing and I'd RIP the sticker off the back and RIP
25:39
the E off and I would keep the little tab so I have all the
25:42
tabs. You know, still.
25:44
But I just took the thing off because I go.
25:46
That's just so dumb. I got my own eyes.
25:48
I got all that. But what I see going on now,
25:52
it's, it's, it feels to me like a race to buy.
25:57
All the cards you could. Possibly buy that deserve the
26:00
stickers because if you send us, you send a card to Mike Baker to
26:05
get a sticker and it comes back. With a gold label and we can
26:08
dive way into this because like they're giving gold labels out
26:11
to PSA 10s, which to me is just the dumbest freaking thing in
26:14
the world. But it's working on the market.
26:17
It's tricking guys brains. PSA 10s.
26:21
You know pretty much all look the same, right?
26:23
There are differences, but for God's sake it's APSA 10 if you
26:28
give it a gold label. Like how much brain power does
26:31
it take to give? APSA 10A Gold Label.
26:32
And APSA 9 getting gold labels like come on now we really need
26:37
to be sending PSA. Nines and 10s to get gold labels
26:40
well. The market's telling otherwise.
26:43
And so I wanted to talk to you on your thoughts.
26:46
Have we gone too far? I know I get.
26:50
Before I'm done talking, I'm going to take a couple opinions
26:53
that I hear all the time. A lot of guys think that it's
26:56
like we're getting into like a sticky situation where a 4 is
27:04
now worth more than A5 or worth as much as a six.
27:10
I don't think it's a. Sticky situation and I don't
27:12
think we're going backwards in any way, shape or form.
27:15
I want to be clear to that point, I think the market is
27:18
getting smarter and I think the people buying cards are getting
27:22
a lot smarter. And I saw a card yesterday, it
27:26
was a 1950. You guys can look it up on eBay
27:29
1956. Tops Hank Aaron PSA 4 It looks
27:34
stunning. It was a full.
27:35
It had no sticker. OK, And I thought I go I'm going
27:39
to try and buy this card. It was at 400 bucks.
27:41
I go. Well, I think a normal 4
27:43
probably goes to 400 a normal 4. An everyday 4.
27:46
So I go man if I can get this for 500 bucks I have a 5 that's
27:50
dead centered but it didn't look as good as this 4.
27:52
So I go, well, I'm going to look.
27:54
You know that thing went for over $800.00 so.
27:58
I know, I mean I don't know because I look up comps, but I
28:02
bet you you could buy us an everyday 6 for 800.
28:05
Dollars all day long. I don't care.
28:08
I don't. I think that 4 was worth the
28:11
$800. I don't care that that 4 is
28:14
worth as much as the PSA 6. It doesn't break the system
28:17
because we're making the system as collectors, as buyers.
28:20
We're the ones that make the cards with more, not PSA.
28:23
They might put the number on there, but we're the ones that
28:25
assign the value to them as buyers.
28:28
Somebody with using their own eyes without a sticker approved
28:32
bought that card and how I see it is the guy bought the card.
28:36
A Because it's beautiful. B That guy's probably going to
28:39
send it to Greg Morris and get a gold label now.
28:41
Next time. Does he sell that?
28:42
He gets 1200. The thing?
28:44
That food for thought is, you know, I always say every grade,
28:49
so I say it's worth as much as a six, a 6A low grade, a low end 6
28:53
on VCP. Is worth say 600.
28:56
Bucks if you you average a high grace, say a perfect six, that
29:04
thing is going to go over astronomically more than
29:07
$800.00. So that's why I don't see it
29:09
being a sticky. Situation or like we jump the
29:12
shark. I don't see that.
29:14
So those are. Kind of my thoughts, I have more
29:16
but where? Where is your take with this
29:18
whole? I appeal stickers, all that
29:21
stuff. Well, I think.
29:24
I've. I've kind of never I've never
29:26
been like real negative on the stickers or posit.
29:30
I think it's I think it's good for a couple reasons.
29:32
One, it was always good for online shopping, right?
29:37
Like if you're it's hard, it's hard if you're like someone who
29:40
wants to go after I appeal cards or good for the grade cards,
29:45
centered cards, especially with vintage, like we're talking
29:48
about a lot. You can search I appeal sticker
29:52
cards on some of these platforms, you know, so, but
29:55
it's hard without something like that.
29:57
It's hard to you have to go through every single one, which
29:59
is takes a lot of time. So I think it is kind of a
30:02
little hack, right? Because yes, we don't need
30:05
people to tell us what's a good looking card.
30:07
But if you're trying to search for one and I'll tell you I I
30:10
haven't seen too many of those sticker cards that don't look
30:13
like I've, I haven't come across too many of the sticker cards
30:15
that I look at. I go that shouldn't have gotten
30:18
a sticker. That one doesn't look nice.
30:19
Most of them do look nice. Now the whole like top 5% versus
30:25
top 15%. I'm not sure on that.
30:28
Like I think they probably when they created that whole system,
30:32
maybe they overdid it a little bit overcomplicate.
30:34
Oh, this is got the the sticker, but it's an E on it versus an S
30:39
like 5 percent, 15%. That a little little overboard
30:42
for me what PWCC did and now fanatics is still doing it.
30:47
By the way, did you know that PWCC stood for Pre War Card?
30:51
Pre War Card Collector? I never knew that I.
30:54
Never. I heard that the I heard that
30:56
the other day. I was like, really?
30:57
I had no idea about that, sorry, but the tangent, but that that
31:00
just stuck in my head. So I think it's good from that
31:04
perspective. Like if you're hunting really
31:06
nice looking cards, you could search out cars that have the
31:09
sticker. So that's always kind of cool.
31:12
And you know, I think though it, it can be overdone, you know,
31:17
and, and maybe that's where we're heading with a lot of this
31:19
stuff, but I don't, I don't know, I don't really, I don't, I
31:24
don't have a lot of negativity towards the stickers because
31:26
again, no one's forcing people to, to send in cards to
31:29
stickers. And they do it for free, right?
31:32
Like PWCC, they never would charge for it.
31:35
It's not like an extra service or anything.
31:36
I think Mike Baker probably charges right for that stuff.
31:39
But PWCC and now Fanatics, when you send a card into their
31:44
vault, they'll evaluate it for free and give it a sticker.
31:47
I've had cards that I bought that I ended up sending there
31:50
first and they got a sticker. I didn't have to pay any more
31:53
for it or anything. So it was cool, you know, and
31:56
someday when I sell those cards, maybe I'll get a premium because
32:01
of the sticker. So we'll see.
32:03
But you shouldn't have peeled those off.
32:04
You should have kept those on there, on those cars even.
32:07
No, trust me, I couldn't believe it.
32:10
Well, here's the thing. So I'm like First off.
32:15
I think the. PwC stickers are way better than
32:19
Mike Baker's. I love the ESI, love the
32:22
different categories because when I do come across those
32:25
stickers, and I do, I am a guy who will go on Fanatics site and
32:31
click the button and look simply at the I Appeal versions.
32:37
I have come across some that I don't think deem them, but those
32:40
are Mike Baker's. The ones I've come across that
32:42
don't deem them, so far I've been all Mike Baker's.
32:44
Why? I think because they only have
32:46
3. Tiers.
32:48
Gold, silver and a bronze I believe where I like PWCC they I
32:54
think they have more than three tiers.
32:55
I think they have like 4. I I like the. 15% rule a 5% to
32:59
me, my brain wraps around. So tomato, tomato.
33:03
You can disagree. I can agree here.
33:05
Agree there. Here's my problem.
33:07
Here's kind of why. I brought this up.
33:09
So I think there's an opportunity.
33:13
The opportunity is, I think. The I appeal thing is still
33:19
going to continue. I think those lower grade stuffs
33:22
continue to rise in value. The high I appeal cards are
33:26
going to continue to increase in value.
33:29
Over the foreseeable future, I didn't know it was going to
33:32
happen this fast. Like when I started collecting
33:34
like that, my time frame was like 5 to 10 years before
33:37
collectors realized like centering is the way to go for
33:40
tops. That's the hard thing.
33:42
It's it's happened way faster than I thought.
33:46
And for me as a buyer, this is what frustrates me is that like
33:51
I see this card the other day in a 456 tops Hank that looks
33:56
cherry with no sticker and I'm going someone just paying 800
34:01
bucks and I don't think they got a bad deal look better than most
34:04
sevens and eights. I see any pretty much any sevens
34:08
and eights I see. I mean they're.
34:09
Like sevens and eights can look really bad.
34:14
I mean not to bring it up but I saw a mantle sell for $1,000,000
34:18
on Instagram. The thing had a print line
34:21
straight through the middle of the car.
34:23
You. You.
34:23
That was going to be my, that was going to be my Grinds my
34:26
gears at the end. I might have to change it up now
34:27
all. Center to all be like.
34:31
I had a whole rant prepared for that.
34:33
Oh my God, $1,000,000 I've seen fours.
34:37
That look astronomically nicer to my eyeball maybe.
34:42
A little bit of touching on the corners, but I'm not talking
34:46
like rounded corners. Fours look perfect.
34:51
To the eyeball like the. Corners are just like till you
34:54
get your scope out. I thought that 8 was just like.
34:57
I was like, oh. My gosh, $1,000,000 for an ugly
35:01
card, I mean. Would I take it for free?
35:03
Yeah, but I wouldn't be. Free, yeah.
35:05
Give me, give me 120 grand. For a.
35:08
Dead nut centered. Perfect IPO 4 all day long or
35:11
even 200. Grand 300 so I don't, I don't.
35:15
Think it's gone too far but me as a collector things have gone
35:20
too far from my wallet and what's gone too far are the
35:24
iconic cards. So me hunting.
35:28
Like I have an example. A 1965 tops Frank Robinson.
35:33
Dead frickin center beautiful in.
35:36
APSA 5. New Sir, The thing looks like I
35:41
just sent A7 to PWCC that was slightly off.
35:45
Centered looks good. This thing looks better.
35:51
I can still get this. I got this for $49.00.
35:54
OK, there's no like an ugly 5 cells for $49.00, a really good
35:59
looking 5 cells for $49.00. If I did send this in and got a
36:04
sticker, it'd probably sell for 120. 5 or something but.
36:08
What has changed is if I had a Mickey Mantle 1965 tops, dead
36:14
freaking centered. It now goes from a.
36:18
If it was a four, say it was a $700.00 card.
36:21
Now it's a Now it's like a $1300 card.
36:26
And so my brain is struggling to wrap my head around, not because
36:31
I don't think it's worth that, because I don't.
36:33
I just don't want to spend $1400 on a 1965 Cops Mickey Mantle,
36:39
period. It isn't that I think it's not
36:42
worth it, but I don't want to buy a six that's ugly for the
36:46
same price at all. I would still rather.
36:49
Pay the big money for the good looking. 4 or whatever in all
36:52
grades. I want the best looking card but
36:56
I'm not. I just can't wrap my head around
36:59
now with this big gap between the big cards.
37:02
So. I have kind of gone.
37:04
Off the rails, off the tracks. And by me saying that I'm going
37:10
to be sharing some cards in the future on my channel that I
37:14
said. For.
37:16
Forget about centering. I'm going for forget about
37:21
centering man on these. What I just knocked off 4 cards
37:26
on my 55 cards before I die list all for the price of one card
37:33
that I you know, one card. I could have spent that in two
37:37
seconds. I went completely off the rails
37:41
because I just. Don't.
37:43
I'm I'm having a really hard time spending the big money on
37:47
these big iconic cards. And I really.
37:50
Want them so there is something for me to be said just owning
37:54
the card. I'm pulling a Chris from
37:55
Missouri. Like give me the card.
37:57
I still I'm going for the the best looking image on the front
38:02
I can find for the cheapest possible price so.
38:06
I've been saying it for a while like.
38:08
Everyone hates me, Pumping, centering, talking about
38:10
centering and all. They're going up.
38:12
I'm complaining now. They're going up too fast, too
38:15
furious. I think they have more room to.
38:17
Run. I'm glad I bought the ones I
38:18
did, but now I'm like I'm diverting course.
38:22
I'm like. It's.
38:22
Making the off center 1 so cheap on the bigger cards that I'm.
38:28
Starting to go after those, but. Definitely still buying the ones
38:34
that haven't. Like I just picked up a 1961
38:37
tops. Hank Aaron dead centered in a
38:39
four. I paid like a $25.
38:42
Premium then a regular 4 like a mid level 4. $25 premium.
38:48
That's no problem. I would have paid $100 premium,
38:52
but I wouldn't have paid a $300 premium.
38:54
I wouldn't have paid double what the cards worth in any grade so
38:59
they haven't caught up all the. Cards aren't caught up, so I'm
39:01
finding myself going after all the other ones that aren't big
39:05
cards and the big ones I'm just going.
39:08
I'm done. I'm not going to look for a dead
39:09
centered 53 top Mickey Mantle anymore.
39:12
I just. I'm going to find one that has a
39:14
good image and. Just going to check the box off.
39:18
And and that's. It so it's.
39:20
Kind of like the, it's kind of like the PSA 10 premium, right?
39:24
So like on the big cards, the, the very popular, high demanded
39:28
cards, going for a centered version of that card is like
39:32
going for APSA 10 of, of a, you know, like a modern popular
39:35
card. It's maybe it's not worth it,
39:38
right? And we've, we've deemed that
39:39
for, for our collections for a lot of that with the grades.
39:42
So, OK, I, I, I find that very interesting.
39:45
And you you zag, you zig, you zag, now you're zigging again
39:49
back and then you're maybe you'll zag back.
39:51
I like that you're, you're always a step ahead.
39:53
Dylan I. Don't know if I'm a step ahead
39:54
or I just I'm in my own head. So let me add one more thing.
39:58
These cards that I'm buying that are off centered with good
40:02
images I'll show you well, I only have one and I'm going to
40:06
do a whole video on it. I want to be clear, I actually.
40:09
Don't think the cards that I'm buying, the iconic ones that I'm
40:12
buying that are off centered, not my normal specimens.
40:16
I don't think those are going to go up in value at all on a
40:20
comparison level to the dead centered copy.
40:22
So when I'm buying them, I'm buying them as a collector.
40:25
I just want the freaking cards. So whereas before, you know,
40:29
it's a marriage, right? I wanted to buy all these cards
40:32
because I have two birds to kill.
40:35
I want them to be worth more in the future and I and I want them
40:39
to look beautiful and. Have the cards all together,
40:42
well, these ones to be clear. I don't see a future where
40:45
they're going to be worth. Any.
40:47
More than what the actual card is worth at the time.
40:50
So say you know I bought a 48 stand mutual leaf.
40:54
The 49 leaf if that card itself goes up in value, this.
40:57
Sure, this will tag along, but it's going to be tagging along
41:00
at the. Lowest possible rate compared to
41:03
if I found took my time, found a dead.
41:05
Centered, perfect front, perfect back, low grade or high grade,
41:11
any grade. Those ones to me will still
41:14
continue to rise. I'm buying cards.
41:16
I'm zagging without the future. Value in mind.
41:20
I'm basing the value off of the card itself.
41:24
If the 53 Jackie I just picked up goes up in value, it
41:28
certainly isn't going to be because the I appeal of the one
41:31
I purchased, it's going to be because the 53 Jackie one.
41:35
Whereas if you buy a perfectly center 1, you take your.
41:38
Time you spend the extra money. Those ones, to me, will continue
41:43
to go up in value in the future and rise, rise, rise.
41:45
I'm just not willing to pay the price on those at the moment.
41:51
So my focus is going to be on the lower tier cards with the
41:55
perfect eye appeal and wait for that premium.
41:58
And like you said, you brought up the PSA 10s like you can have
42:03
you know, a 1987 tops card of Jose Canseco and APSA 10 say
42:07
it's worth 100 bucks and the nines worth 50 bucks.
42:11
But say you had a a 1987 Bo Jackson and.
42:14
APSA 10 say that's worth 300 to $500.
42:18
I don't know, I'm just guessing. The pre and then the 9 is worth
42:22
$30.00 The premium doesn't make sense there right because you
42:27
you're you're getting the same quality in the Jose Canseco and
42:30
the rarity is the same across both cards they're from the same
42:34
set but you're paying for the Bo Jackson PSA 10 premium and
42:39
that's what these big iconic cards too if.
42:41
That's making sense through my words.
42:43
If, if you're, if your goal is long term collecting, if,
42:49
however, if you're 1, if there's a lot of people now who are
42:52
wanting to buy cards and then sell them a couple weeks later
42:55
and make 50 bucks or 100 bucks. In those cases, it might make
42:58
sense to buy that PSA 10 for 400 bucks and thinking, hey, I'll be
43:03
able to sell this for 4:50 in two weeks at a show, you know,
43:06
Whereas if I bought APSA 9, maybe I wouldn't be able to make
43:09
50 bucks. You know what I mean?
43:11
So I understand, but if, if the goal is to buy cards that you
43:14
want to hold onto for a long time, yes, absolutely.
43:18
And I'm, I'm in the same camp as you.
43:19
I do want to mention before we get into our rants, Dylan, you
43:22
mentioned, I should have mentioned this earlier, but turn
43:25
back the clock is now exclusive to the sports card clubhouse
43:28
channel, right? We used to do it where it was
43:30
one on my channel 1 on your channel.
43:33
Now we're just doing clubhouse only.
43:35
We're doing the podcast clubhouse, sports card
43:37
clubhouse. Then we're going to be on the
43:39
the YouTube channel, sports card clubhouse.
43:41
We still have our own channel. So I want to mention Dylan.
43:44
He mentioned he's going to be showing his pickups in the
43:45
future. We have a little different
43:47
audience over here. So if you don't already know
43:50
about Double D Vintage Baseball Cards and subscribe, go over to
43:53
his channel and he'll be showing you the pickups he's talking
43:56
about here in the near future. Thank you, Adam.
43:59
All right. What do we want to we want to do
44:02
these grind your gears, Yeah. Let's do we got time.
44:05
Let's do grind our gears, man. Go ahead, Adam.
44:08
I I hope I didn't blow it for you.
44:10
No, so here's what I think I'm going to do my grind, my gear,
44:12
what was going to be the so there's APSA 81952 tops, Mickey
44:17
Mantle that's just sold. So it's sold at I think it was
44:20
Fanatics in an auction like end of September for it was like
44:24
$1,000,000 million, something like that $1,020,000 right
44:30
around there. And then the dealer who bought
44:33
it then I guess sold it to another broker who brokered it
44:39
to someone else for we don't know how much, but obviously
44:42
it's more than that. Man.
44:45
I when I again, you know, if the person who bought that is
44:49
watching, probably not, but I apologize.
44:52
But my opinion on that PSA 8 is wow, that was one of the one of
44:58
the ugliest PSA eights I've ever seen in my life.
45:01
Print line right through the face basically, right.
45:04
It was like, I think it was on the face like right here, print
45:07
line, diamond cut, not great centering at all for PSA 8.
45:12
And again, some people don't I guess care about that.
45:15
They're just buying that number. But I guess that I just that
45:19
that was in my head today because I was looking at that
45:22
card. I'm thinking I was looking at
45:24
some other PSA eights of the of that same exact card that have
45:27
sold, you know, APSA 8 will sell often times a couple times a
45:31
year at auction houses, you know, and that was maybe 1 of
45:35
the worst ones I've ever seen. And that and that sold at a
45:38
pretty high price. Not an all time high or
45:40
anything, but just goes to show you that people are still buying
45:43
the grade heavily. We talked about I appeal, I
45:46
appeal. People are paying up for I
45:47
appeal, but there's still a big portion of the hobby that just
45:50
pays for that number on the slab.
45:53
Well, let's also let me also say that the hobbies learned a great
45:57
deal has come a long way because that exact same card sold from
46:02
what I. Heard for $1.3 million.
46:06
Before a few years ago, so when we're in a boom right now, like
46:11
if you if you took APSA 4. Deadnut centered and purchased
46:16
that three years ago and you sold that today at PSA 4 has
46:20
gone up at least 20 grand. OK, it's gone up astronomical if
46:26
it's a. Cherry looking so.
46:27
The hobbies, learning and these, these high grades, you know, the
46:31
future could be different. And, and you touched on
46:33
something that grinds my gears is like, there's a big
46:37
difference between dealers buying cards and collectors
46:42
buying cards. Dealers are trying to move cards
46:44
as fast as possible. And what's moving?
46:46
They buy the high grade because they can sell the high grade
46:49
right away to the next blind guy that comes along.
46:53
Yeah. And I don't think.
46:55
That was the ugliest aid I've ever seen.
46:56
I actually think lot eights eights are the older eights are
47:00
notorious for print lines, notorious for off center 7 same
47:05
thing notorious like eights. I heard it best said by.
47:11
Carlisle I had a 8. OC like you know it was a huge 8
47:14
OC top to bottom guy because nobody wanted that thing.
47:17
You get them for nothing. And he goes 8 OCS are 10s off
47:21
center. And I go, you're totally right
47:24
and eights can be 10s off standing as well except they
47:28
have print. Lines.
47:29
They love the print lines. It back in the day they give
47:31
those eights all day long all right so are you done grinding
47:35
your gears or? Yeah, actually I have my I think
47:38
we should do this every episode. Another grinding gear, my next
47:41
grinding gear. I already have it in my head.
47:42
It's gonna it's a non hobby sort of grind my gear.
47:45
So it's I got I'm already ready for the next one.
47:47
But yeah, you go on this one. No, no.
47:49
Are you got? Are you ready for that?
47:51
Yeah, I'll just go with that one for this episode.
47:52
My next my next episode I'll I'll use my other one.
47:56
OK, well mine kind of sticks along the same thing like.
48:00
I nothing makes me more fired up when and and everybody does.
48:05
Everyone says this and I just like.
48:07
If you're an investor, if you're investing by the high grade, I'm
48:12
so sick. I've.
48:14
Been sick of people saying that for the since I got on YouTube.
48:18
By the high grade. Is the best investment?
48:20
Oh man, it is not the best investment it's been.
48:24
It's proving itself. Right now you buy the best
48:27
looking card in any grade. The grade means nothing.
48:32
Whatever money you have, buy the best looking card in any grade
48:35
and that will. Rise in the future, It's proving
48:39
itself out right now. The best looking fours.
48:43
I just say fours because it's kind of like those are kind of
48:45
like cream. Like for whatever reason, fours
48:47
and. Fives are like buttery.
48:49
Those best looking examples. Have gone up way more than the
48:54
high grade counterparts over the last three years.
48:58
They absolutely have. Do I have card ladder here to
49:02
prove it? No.
49:03
Why? Because you can't even do that.
49:05
You'd have to search thousands of cards to look for those dead
49:09
nuts centered ones to see if they've gone in value.
49:11
I know just 'cause I'm in the hobby and I watch cards sell all
49:15
day long I can see it. So stop saying it.
49:18
I'm sick of guys brainwashing people to say high grades are
49:23
the only investment. Low grades can be investments to
49:26
any grade, not even low grades. If you buy high grades by the
49:30
best looking high grade, those will continue to rise.
49:33
If you buy a nine, please please make sure it's dead centered.
49:39
Everything else should be cherry.
49:40
Just make sure it's centered. If it's not, don't touch that 9
49:44
to the hunt for. Bolt, you know.
49:46
If you're buying an 8, make sure it's centered.
49:49
But didn't didn't Jeff, Mr. Jeff Wilson came out and he said he
49:53
had all these numbers right? Like he said he had statistics
49:56
showing that the PSA 10s go up higher or have gone up higher
50:02
percentage wise than the other grades.
50:04
Is that is that just for certain cards you think?
50:07
No, I I I cannot deny the fact that high grades went up in the
50:11
past and skyrocketed over the. Past.
50:15
The past isn't the future. The future is different.
50:17
In this hobby, this hobby changes a lot.
50:20
We've gone through a lot of morphs in this hobby and.
50:23
I appeal. I know it's been around forever.
50:25
You guys yelling at me. I appeal.
50:26
It's been, I think, forever. I get it, Centering strict
50:30
centering. Eye appeal for talks has not
50:32
been around in most. Collectors.
50:34
Brains forever, maybe. The select few, maybe.
50:37
But even Doctor Beckett said not too long ago in a podcast.
50:41
This last couple months that he thinks the centering the eye
50:46
appeal movement. Will continue to be what goes up
50:50
the most in the future will continue to be the forefront of
50:53
the future and those. High grade stuff, those guys
50:56
like even me, I put myself in that category behind the
50:59
settings back in the day. You know, that was a great move
51:03
back in the day, but the great move today is to unload all
51:07
those ugly high. Grade old certs right now while
51:10
you still can. Well, that's what you're saying.
51:13
When you were saying that, it made me think I took a
51:15
screenshot. I'll I'll say what it says, but
51:18
I took a screenshot on my phone of a Instagram story.
51:23
If you don't follow MK sports cards MK sports cards on
51:27
Instagram, I highly recommend you follow that.
51:30
I, I think it's a guy, right? There's usually it's a guy in
51:32
this hobby, but I don't know. I don't know the person, but I
51:35
follow MK sport sports cards. I really enjoy the content they
51:39
put out and this is what they posted.
51:43
I'm going to say he, this is what he posted alert.
51:47
If more than 75% of the value of your card is tied to the grade,
51:51
then you should be selling that card right now.
51:53
And he, he has been saying stuff like this for a while now where
51:57
he, he thinks with AI coming and all this stuff that if, if the
52:02
goal of your collecting or you're investing or whatever it
52:05
is, if you're buying cards with the hope that they'll go up big
52:08
time in value, at least his opinion is that don't buy great
52:12
height. Don't, don't look at the high
52:13
grade, right? Like only don't, don't let that
52:15
be the deciding factor. And that's what he says.
52:17
If more than 75% of the value of the card is just because of the
52:21
grade, he doesn't believe that that's a card that's going to
52:25
continue to go up, even if it has, to Jeff Wilson's point,
52:28
maybe it has over the last period of time, doesn't mean
52:31
it's going to in the future. It's not going to necessarily
52:34
repeat itself. Maybe.
52:35
So I I thought of that. Mangini, I got to give credit to
52:39
Drama Mangini because, you know, I think for me he was the first
52:43
one that I heard say that the value should be in the card
52:46
itself, right? That's where the value should be
52:48
in our cards. And I know the.
52:50
Modern hobby is learning that learned that during that last
52:55
you know, the big the crash we had, you know, they they learned
52:59
that these these common base cards and 10s aren't the way to
53:02
go. The value should be in the card
53:04
itself, should be in the low number, should be in the good
53:06
looking vintage. Well said by that guy and and
53:10
it's going to continue that way. And anyone beating the drum in
53:13
the opposite. Direction.
53:14
Have at it. I think that drums going to be
53:16
beat and broken before this, you know, in the next 10 years.
53:20
And I I. Still want to just say that the
53:22
good? Looking high, grades are
53:23
continued. To hold their ground and they're
53:25
not going to go to 0 just by by the good looking example in any
53:29
grade. Last thing I know we're coming
53:31
to an hour here, Adam. I want to make sure, again, to
53:34
clarify, these are our opinions. These are our thoughts.
53:38
If you disagree, put them in the comments.
53:40
If you disagree, you, you have your own brain.
53:44
Use it. You go after the cards you want,
53:47
go after that stuff you want. If you want to go after the high
53:50
grades and completely disagree with me, it's fantastic that
53:54
it's your prerogative, but I'm on here, Adam's on here
53:57
expressing our own opinions because that's what we have in
54:00
this hobby and that's what makes it fun and.
54:02
Whether we're right or wrong in the.
54:03
Future. The future is going to tell us.
54:05
So there's our caveat and my want to add to this.
54:09
My last, my last thing I want to say is if you, if you're
54:11
catching this on the sports card clubhouse on YouTube and you'd
54:14
like to be able to watch or listen to it a few days ahead of
54:18
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54:25
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54:30
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54:34
before it goes out on YouTube. So that's it guys.
54:37
I appreciate it. OK, we'll catch you guys later.
54:42
You.