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Lisa Hall on Addiction Awareness, Community Impact, and Creative Advocacy · The Scene Projects

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  Welcome in to Real Biz.
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  I am your host, Bubba Starts, and with me today is the executive producer of Glory Girl
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  Productions, Lisa Hall.
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  Lisa, welcome to the show.
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  Good morning, and thank you so much for having me.
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  It's great to be with you.
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  Well, I am so blessed to have you with me here today.
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  We're gonna be talking about a couple of your films, today as we go through the episode.
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  But before we get into that, wanna just give you a a few moments here to give us a little
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  bit of your backstory, and then we'll pick up the conversation from there.
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  Okay.
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  And cut me off if I'm droning on and on.
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  You just give me the fine.
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  My name is Lisa Hall, and I'm coming to you today from beautiful Brown County, Indiana,
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  which is in South Central Indiana.
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  And my husband and I moved down here in 2017.
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  I'm really feeling like there was a reason I was supposed to move here, but I didn't know
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  what that was.
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  We left Indianapolis, our home of twenty five years.
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  I started serving women in incarceration down here and just fell in love with them and their
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  stories and quickly realized that, because of today's very highly addictive substances that,
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  you know, had, I tried those in a vulnerable moment in in my own life.
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  I could be sitting where they were, and that just haunted me.
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  And, someone had said to me, are there stories to tell?
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  And I said, I think we should tell stories until we can change the trajectory of pandemic
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  drug use in this nation.
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  And so I set out to make a documentary film called The Addict's Wake.
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  And, we finished that in October '21, premiered at the Indiana Heartland International Film
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  Festival, and did really well, and away we went.
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  And, Lisa, as you well know from our discovery call, I was in their position.
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  Yeah.
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  So, obviously, a deep affinity for me for what you're doing, the the work that you are doing,
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  not just inside of the prison, but in bringing those stories now out and to the world because
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  I think it's something that, because of the stigma of addiction and of prison and all of
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  these things that the stories of not just their addiction and the troubles, but how people
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  recover and rise from those, I think, are often undersold.
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  It's a big reason why I'm not afraid to share my story personally Yes.
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  Because I I believe that we all have a shot at redemption.
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  And it's not easy, especially with the addictive nature of the drugs that we have, the
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  pharmaceutical industry, creating even more than what is naturally occurring, out there in
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  the world.
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  You know, your your cocaine and heroin were bad enough.
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  Now the pharmaceutical injuries, you know, industries are taking these drugs and and even
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  maximizing their, you know, not just potency, but the addictive nature of these substances.
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  So Yeah.
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  It's incredible work that you are doing.
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  I'm so grateful to you, not just for the work inside of the walls, but in bringing those
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  stories outside of the walls and putting them out there.
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  And no doubt the rest of the world feeling that with your success in the, you know, independent
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  film world and out there in some of these, you know, places that you've been showing them.
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  Let's be clear.
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  I knew nothing about making a film, but I've been a marketer of people, products, places,
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  and things my whole life.
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  And so I wasn't daunted by the task because I felt that passion that you just spoke to about
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  the need to, equip communities with tools that fight back.
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  And so for whatever reason, Bubba, these films are giving permission for people to talk about
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  it in a way that they've never talked about it before.
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  It's shedding light.
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  And you and I both know when light gets shed on something that's been held in the dark, that's
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  where we can start to heal.
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  And as we showed that first film, I had to do I had to do a few festivals because I had no
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  street cred as a filmmaker.
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  This was my first attempt.
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  And so I got my laurels that I needed, but the real heart of this was to get inside of
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  communities and, again, start those conversations so we could start the healing.
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  And as we were in those communities, it was fascinating.
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  We had two outcries for two additional films.
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  One was an educational film for students who, you know, we we in this nation, we we are
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  spending so much time on recovery infrastructure, which is awesome.
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  It's needed.
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  It's necessary.
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  But we we don't have that same, allocation of resources for prevention.
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  And so I knew if we did an educational film that I really wanted it to be preventative and
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  to really show kids not a not a unicorn story of just say no, but the the reality of what
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  happens when you start using even at earlier ages.
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  So we Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield came together with me to help me, produce that
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  educational film that's available for sixth grade on up.
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  I have many adult groups who are using that film, and it's just been, fun to see, again,
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  just the the impact that that can have.
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  And then the third film that we premiered within January 25 was, the for law enforcement
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  and first responders.
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  And I don't think people have any idea of what substance use and declining mental health looks
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  like from their lens.
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  What do they go through as agencies as they incarcerate folks who are really struggling?
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  You know, we have one sheriff say we can't arrest the addiction out of people.
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  So we needed to do something different when they're in our care in incarceration.
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  And so we showcase three different agencies who are really bringing in innovative programming
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  such as faith based programming, peer coaching, peer navigating, you know, regular counseling
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  and meetings, and they're allowing these new things inside of incarceration.
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  MAT, which is medical assisted treatment, which is somewhat controversial, but I've learned
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  that it shouldn't be.
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  Because if it if it's helping people to, sustain and and sustainability is our goal.
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  Right?
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  So when they come out, they're that much stronger to be, reintegrated into society.
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  And so these these agencies are doing different things, and we showcase that, and we showcase
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  how it's working.
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  It's reducing recidivism.
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  And, you know, we have Nate in there who who had overdosed twice in twenty four hours, and
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  he was really kinda done.
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  And a sheriff just spoken to his life or, excuse me.
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  It was a narcotics officer, spoken to Nate's life in in a way that no one had done before
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  and really challenged him to live.
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  And, you know, Nate's story is is really incredible and very inspiring.
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  And now Nate turned his pain into purpose.
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  And isn't that why we're all here?
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  You know, to to turn around and take what we learn to help somebody else.
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  And so the I have those three films.
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  And then, because my educational film was for sixth grade, on up, I I wanted to have
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  something for our littles.
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  I probably had a hundred hours of footage when we filmed the original feature length, and I
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  kept seeing all these little people that were in, circumstances inside their home that were
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  really challenging.
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  So I wrote Avey's Hope, and Avey is an eight or nine year old little girl navigating active
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  addiction in the home with mom.
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  But we wanted Avey to have three really strong goals, and one was healthy coping, techniques
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  and mechanisms.
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  And she goes to her imaginary horses in her head, Prince and Rizzo when she's feeling such
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  dread.
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  And then we wanted her to have trusted adults to talk to, and she has her nana and her
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  teacher to tell when she's not feeling well.
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  And then third and foremost, Bubba, this was so to me.
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  We wanted Avey to know when I say we, that's me, myself, and I.
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  I just try to make my team sound bigger.
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  It's really just me.
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  And so I wanted Avey to know that even at eight or nine, she could use her voice to change her
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  life or something different.
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  And we have to empower our kids to understand that they can be the chain breakers of
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  generational use.
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  In the state of Indiana, generational use is very pervasive, and I'm finding that that's the
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  case really throughout the nation.
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  We're not unusual.
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  And so that's kind of my, documentary series, if you will, the tools that I have available
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  for communities.
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  And you license them once through me, and then you have them for as long as you wanna use
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  them.
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  I think you touched on something with the agencies specifically that we did not see
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  thirty, forty years ago.
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  Oh.
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  That addicts were were treated as criminals only, that they were diametrically opposed to
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  the law and and the law officers, and that the law officers often looked at the addicts as
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  just criminals and didn't see them necessarily as people that were struggling.
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  I think a lot of that has changed.
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  And when you think about it, these officers of the law that are coming into contact with these
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  addicts probably on a pretty regular basis, right, over the course of, you know, years of
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  active addiction that they are really the only positive source, or role model in that person's
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  life.
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  So the more that these people can be trained on seeing the people they're dealing with in a
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  different light and understanding their role in their life, not just as the keeper of the law
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  and of the peace there, but as someone who can have a positive impact on the lives of the
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  addicts, someone who they can trust in those moments.
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  Right?
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  And and I think that not all addicts are criminals.
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  Right?
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  I think a lot of criminals and people who are bent on just committing crimes and of being of
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  that are addicts also, but that not all drug addicts are criminals and want to live that
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  life.
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  They are caught in something completely different.
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  And I think that our systems are set up and are changing for the better in that regard to
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  understand that good people can become addicts and become part of a criminal element and
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  because addiction can lead to so many things.
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  Right?
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  A loss of your job, which leads you to maybe becoming a a thief or or or committing crimes
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  that you wouldn't normally do if you were not faced with active addiction.
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  And someone who's been inside of that, in so many ways and has seen so many stories from the
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  inside, I've seen what a positive impact a a a truly a voice can be to look at someone and be
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  and to tell them that they can be someone else.
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  You can live a different life, and your life doesn't have to be that way because when you're
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  inside of an active addiction and surrounded by criminal elements, nobody's going to tell you
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  that it can be different than it is right now.
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  Well, first off, you know, no one sets out to become an addict.
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  When when someone tries drugs, they're usually numbing some emotional pain.
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  We say pain is the gateway drug, and there's something that's not right in their spirit or
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  soul.
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  And so drugs brings that temporary comfort.
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  But as you and I talked about early on, with today's drugs and the properties of today's
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  drugs, it doesn't take long to get that hook set.
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  And and so, you know, I don't think anyone I've ever interviewed, they said, jeez.
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  I hoped I could grow up and be an addict.
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  You know, that wasn't anything anybody ever said.
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  And so, you know, that breeding of compassion is so important for all of us.
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  And and that is a mind shift and a and a change that is happening with our law enforcement, our
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  first responders.
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  And you're right.
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  I don't even think it's been thirty or forty years.
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  I think that's been new probably in the last ten years.
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  And so, you know, we still have some grumpy sheriffs and grumpy law enforcement officers
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  who are you know, that we have to still work on changing their mindset.
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  But that is the first stop in somebody's recovery journey.
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  Why wouldn't we want to do everything that we could to stabilize them and to help sustain
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  them while they're in a safe place to get healthy and detox and to start their recovery?
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  So all these films, I had four goals four goals, and I maintained them through each
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  iteration that, I created.
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  And one was just broadening the awareness.
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  You know, we hear about the opioid crisis in the news, but until it hits our home or our
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  family or a loved one or a best friend or a coworker, we don't really understand it.
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  Right?
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  And so that awareness net needed to be casted farther and wider when I started.
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  And then we need to humanize this issue to your point.
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  I mean, these are people with potential, and we we want to breed compassion as we look at their
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  lives.
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  You know, the reality is but but we're all addicted to something.
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  You may you know, I laugh, and my husband says to me, I think you're addicted to Amazon.
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  You know, Amazon box is showing up.
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  But it's it's overeating or it's sugar or it's caffeine or it's nicotine or it's pornography
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  or, you know, whatever.
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  Many people struggle with some sort of an addictive behavior.
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  And so, you know, we that compassion is so critical.
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  And then what I saw when I got started in the recovery world was how siloed recovery is.
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  And, you know, what I wanted these these films to do was to really serve as a clarion call for
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  communities to link arms, share resources, know what the right hand needed to know what the
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  left hand's doing, bring everybody around the table, give them a seat, and let's talk about
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  as a community how we can link arms and fight back.
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  Coalitions have since been formed.
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  That is happening, and that is really exciting to see.
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  Because this silo, you know, this is our recovery effort.
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  This is our our budget.
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  This is our grant.
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  You know?
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  And and, no, we're not gonna open our arms because we're afraid of losing funding or
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  whatever the case may be, and that mind shift needed to change, and that's changing.
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  So that's exciting too.
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  But the very last thing, and, again, probably the most important to me, was to showcase hope
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  in all these films because recovery does happen.
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  We hear about the ones who don't make it because that makes more dramatic headlines, but
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  many people do recover.
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  They're recovering in incredible and remarkable ways.
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  And then they're going on to use their life to serve others, you know, in who who were just
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  like them, you know, three years ago.
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  And so we really wanted to showcase hope and that we can't lose hope.
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  And without hope, we have nothing.
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  And so for for this issue, you know, I really wanted to show those stories where people have
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  made it, and they're doing great work, and they're leading healthy lives and good families
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  and, you know, maintaining jobs.
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  And and so that does happen, and and it was important for me to showcase that just like
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  you.
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  Exactly.
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  At least I I that's exactly what I was gonna say is that it's why I'm so passionate about
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  sharing my story.
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  It would be very easy for me to cordon off that part of my life and my prison time and to not
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  share that with anyone and to just let them see the person that I am now and and this this, you
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  know, positive impact that we are.
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  But I had to learn and to go through a lot to be able to do that and to not share that
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  darkness would be completely inauthentic of myself.
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  And I I think that's why we attract the viewership that we do and we build the
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  community that we do.
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  And I think it's beautiful what you're sharing of not just sharing the story, and and we talk
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  about it a lot in treatment of glorifying our drug use.
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  Right?
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  We're we're not necessarily sharing those stories to glorify them, but to put a
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  microscope on what we did.
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  Hey.
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  They I did that, and I don't want to do that anymore.
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  And, to bring these stories out, and I'm always supporting, people who are being true to
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  themselves and sharing their story and being a light out there in the world.
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  I think it's important.
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  Do you see it on your end that, you know, the women that you worked with inside of the prison
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  that that you shared and brought their story out there or the jail?
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  I'm not sure what, you know, facility you were in.
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  But do you feel like there was some effect that it had on them being part of this movie and
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  really inspired them to, be better and to not go back to facing their addictions and kind of
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  falling back into that path that it gave them, some accountability now because they've been
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  featured in the film.
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  I'm so glad you asked that.
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  And many of them weren't featured in the film, but they knew I was involved in telling these
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  stories.
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  And and so when I had my trailer ready in December '19, I remember going in on a Sunday,
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  and this is one of those moments that I will just absolutely treasure with me to my grave.
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  And you're not supposed to take your phone in.
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  Right?
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  And so I snuck it in, and I told this in front of my sheriff not too long ago.
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  And I had my back to the wall because all the ladies knew that I had I was working on this
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  phone.
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  And, I said, okay.
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  Line up over here, and we're gonna watch the trailer.
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  And, Bubba, they were so excited.
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  I I've never had that kind of excitement shown to me about my work, and they they couldn't
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  wait to see it.
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  And so it's about a three minute or so trailer.
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  And about halfway through, this joy turned to their countenance has just changed into crying
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  and tears.
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  And I'm like, oh gosh.
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  I go, girls, girls, girls.
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  We're gonna get in trouble because, you know, the camera's back here.
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  That camera can't see.
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  I have my phone, but they can the camera can see all of a sudden, they've gone from great
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  joy to to complete sorrow.
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  And so, after it was over, I'm passing out Kleenex, and I'm like, let's get back to our
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  seats.
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  And I said, okay, y'all.
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  You need to tell me what was that about.
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  And and and they spoke up and and they said this in different ways, but it was the same
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  meeting.
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  That was the first time they had seen what their decision to use had done to others.
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  And so I was like, okay.
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  We're on to something.
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  And it wasn't done in a shameful way.
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  It wasn't casting shame on them.
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  They just were able to deduce from the parents we had interviewed and and, you know, the
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  community members.
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  They saw what what that wake was for various people.
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  And I thought, okay.
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  Good.
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  Good.
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  Good.
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  Good.
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  Because, again, the idea was not to cast create even more stigma and shame.
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  It was to break down that wall.
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  And so, they loved it.
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  I mean, they loved it.
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  Despite the tears, they loved it.
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  But I'll never forget that because I thought, okay.
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  We're we're going about this in the right way.
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  And, and their tears weren't tears again of shame.
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  They were tears of that accountability you're talking about.
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  And I think until you realize you have accountability to a certain degree, you know,
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  to change to make a a new decision or to to do something different, change your people,
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  places, and things.
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  You know?
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  That was really resonating with them as they saw that trailer.
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  That's just one moment that I will never forget in the creation of of this content.
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  Well, and it brings up an interesting point of someone being able to, you know, produce things
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  on a much smaller budget in a much smaller way.
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  What kinda struck me there was that they were getting the effect of what I think, you know,
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  people on the outside and around addicts are are looking to get from an intervention.
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  The problem with an intervention is that once you walk into that room and all these people
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  are sitting there facing you, you put up a wall that's a 100 feet tall and your guard is up.
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  And what the barrier of the video production has done now is allowed the children or the
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  parents or anyone in that wake, these loved ones, to share their story with catching the
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  addict with their guard down.
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  And and I think that's an extremely powerful thing that you've touched on here that maybe
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  becomes a part in the future of drug addiction and treatment and those things of having these
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  things shared in a different way, especially now that the technology is so readily
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  available.
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  Everyone has access to a a professional video production on their phones now.
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  And I think that's extremely powerful what you've showcased in that moment and risking
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  your own freedom to bring that out, and we may never known what that effect was.
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  But you got a case study in real time with a three minute trailer of the impact that this
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  video can not only have on the addict themselves, but on their loved ones being able
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  to share that part of their journey as well.
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  You are so insightful, Bubba.
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  You have a real gift of intuition because that's just a really thoughtful, insightful
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  realization that you just verbalized.
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  And and nobody's verbalized it like that, but that is exactly what happened.
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  And when I started, I didn't wanna create a film that just focused on the attic.
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  There were a thousand of those films out there.
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  Right?
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  I wanted to show the impact of this issue on a community.
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  In in in the new film that I'm working on, it is it is said that when someone takes their
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  life, one hundred and thirty nine people are affected.
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  I happen to believe that number is conservative, but that's a minimum.
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  Let's say that's a minimum of people who are affected when when someone takes their own
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  life, whether that's overdose or suicide or whatever the case.
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  And so that's what I wanted to have happen with the addict's wake.
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  I wanted people to understand the wake effect.
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  And it's not the wake isn't about death, and many people go into it thinking that's what
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  they're gonna hear about.
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  But it's it's about the wake of positivity, the wake of change, the wake of we need to awaken.
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  You know, we need to, you know, what what one person can speak to an individual's lives to
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  change everything, and that's what happened to Nate inside of incarceration.
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  And so you're very right.
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  And and, it's that was just such a precious moment to me.
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  And, sometimes I can't tell that story without tears because they just really touched me.
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  And two of those ladies that were in that room are no longer with us.
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  I lost them eventually.
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  And so this project has not come without cost.
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  And I think when you put yourself out there to deal with these very heavy issues, you have to
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  be prepared to, you know, have your own loss along the way.
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  And there are days when I wasn't prepared for that.
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  Lisa, I really appreciate all the work that you have done so far, the work that you continue to
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  do.
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  Where can people find you?
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  Where can they get in touch with you to share their stories or to license the films to show
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  in their communities?
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  How can they get in touch with you and get that process going so that they can change the lives
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  of the people around them as well?
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  That's awesome.
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  Yeah.
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  And may I mention just real quickly before I tell you that, you can go to pbs.org right now
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  through August '26.
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  You can watch our that that original film.
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  It's a fifty eight minute abridged version of that feature length, but it is the film I
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  started with, and it has been on a national PBS broadcast for three years.
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  It'll end in August, like, August 17.
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  So go check that out.
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  You can stream it for free while you can still do that.
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  And then the other films, if you're interested in, you can go to the addictswake.com, and I
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  think you're showing that across the screen.
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  And my contact information is on that website, but you can also watch all four trailers.
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  You can read a little bit more about Avey's Hope.
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  And, yeah, that's the place to get the best information.
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  And then my email is lhall@glorygirlproduction.com.
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  I'm sorry, Bubba.
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  I know you didn't want me to share that.
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  I'm just so used to sharing it.
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  I apologize.
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  Shoot.
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  And so, anyway, but the addictswait.com.
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  Find me at Lisa Hall, LinkedIn.
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  It's kind of a brand new account.
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  I had to start over.
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  But then my new film is Dying for Freedom, and we're gonna be telling the veteran story of
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  declining mental health and suicide when they are coming back out of service.
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  And we're losing too many veterans just like we are those to overdose.
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  So, yeah, that's coming, and people can go watch the trailer on dyingforfreedom.org.
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  Well and we're gonna be getting together with operation combating veterans suicide and
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  dyingforfreedom.org with you, Lisa, and finding ways that we can bring this film to even more
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  people and to set up a a lot of great activations to, bring awareness to the issue.
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  And and, I'm just so appreciative of getting to spend some time with you today and very
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  appreciative for the work that you're continuing to do in these spaces that are very
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  near and dear to my heart.
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  Lisa Hall, thank you so much for taking some time for me today, and thank you for being part
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  of the scene.
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  Thank you, Bubba, and I appreciate the opportunity to collaborate.
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  You're doing amazing hard things too, and I too am grateful for the work you're doing.
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  So thank you so, so much.