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PART 1: Lee Asher of The Asher House Animal Sanctuary | His Inspirational True Story · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: This is Rachel Uchitel. Okay, this week we're doing things
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  Speaker 1: a little bit different. We are separating one interview into
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  Speaker 1: two parts because the conversation was just flowing.
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  Speaker 2: It was so good.
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  Speaker 1: This guest was literally one of my favorite guests I've
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  Speaker 1: ever had on the show. It's kind of why I
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  Speaker 1: started a podcast so that I'm able to speak with
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  Speaker 1: people like him. I have an interview today with Lee
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  Speaker 1: Asher from the Asher House Animal Sanctuary. If you don't
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  Speaker 1: follow him already on Instagram, you should. It's the Asher
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  Speaker 1: House and he rescues animals and has a sanctuary in
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  Speaker 1: Oregon and is just like the most amazing guy ever.
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  Speaker 1: So today we are releasing part one. Tune in on
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday for part two. Make sure you listen to both
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  Speaker 1: because everything he says is so interesting. If you're a
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  Speaker 1: pet lover, You're going to love this episode. If you're not,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you'll become one. So definitely, please, please listen to
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  Speaker 1: this episode. I think it's really important for anyone who
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  Speaker 1: cares about animals in general, especially dogs, because we talk
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  Speaker 1: so much about dogs. So thanks for listening. And here
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  Speaker 1: is my exciting part one with Leigh Asher.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Misunderstood. I'm your host, Rachel Yucatel.
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  Speaker 1: My next guest, Lee Asher, is one of the most
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  Speaker 1: inspirational people I've ever come across. He founded the Asher House,
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  Speaker 1: an animal sanctuary, which on Instagram, over one million people
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  Speaker 1: are currently following Lee on his journey, rescuing and rehabilitating
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  Speaker 1: animals that have been abused and abandoned, giving them a
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  Speaker 1: permanent home to live out their lives.
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  Speaker 2: Here to tell his story is the one and only
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  Speaker 2: Lee Asher. Thank you so much for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you deeply for having me. It means a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So let's start with not who you are now, but
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  Speaker 1: how you became who you are. Tell me about your childhood,
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  Speaker 1: where you're from, what that was like for you growing up.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: I actually grew up in Florida, which I just found
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  Speaker 4: out you're there now. So I grew up in Florida.
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  Speaker 4: Like many people, which is important to recognize, I had
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  Speaker 4: a very unique childhood. I grew up with severe learning disabilities.
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  Speaker 4: So in school, I had to be separated from all
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  Speaker 4: the cool kids and pretty much everyone who had groups.
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  Speaker 3: Of friends and cliques and athletes.
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  Speaker 4: I grew up with severe learning disabilities, ADD and ADHD
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  Speaker 4: and all these things. And, um, I spent most of
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  Speaker 4: my time, the majority of my time, either alone or
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  Speaker 4: with animals. I didn't have many friends or many people
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  Speaker 4: to go to, uh, for really anything. And I always
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  Speaker 4: wanted to fit in. It's not that I didn't care.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to fit in. I wanted to be part
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  Speaker 4: of a group. I wanted friends, but I never felt
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  Speaker 4: not only welcomed, even if I was welcomed, I didn't
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  Speaker 4: feel comfortable. I felt just the most at peace if
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  Speaker 4: I was either alone or with animals. And not to
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  Speaker 4: fast forward, But by learning that, that's kind of how
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  Speaker 4: my journey started. I really accepted the fact at a
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  Speaker 4: young age that I was different and I stopped trying
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  Speaker 4: to fit in, which brought me a lot of happiness
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  Speaker 4: by just being comfortable to accept the fact that I
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  Speaker 4: was very different. And I started going to animal shelters
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  Speaker 4: as often as I could.
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  Speaker 3: I would.
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  Speaker 3: Even run away from school sometimes.
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  Speaker 4: There was an animal shelter about a mile down the
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  Speaker 4: road from where I went to school, and I would
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  Speaker 4: go there during lunch and breaks.
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  Speaker 3: I would go there all of the time. Luckily, I've
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  Speaker 3: always been very tall for my age.
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  Speaker 4: I always looked older, so they thought I was an adult,
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  Speaker 4: but I was quite young, and I would go, and
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  Speaker 4: I would just sit with the animals, and I used
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  Speaker 4: to bring them food from my cafeteria and treats.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just different. You know, I can't explain it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I look back at my childhood often now,
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  Speaker 4: like I always look back at that little boy. And
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  Speaker 4: it's interesting that I don't feel I'm much different now. Besides,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the insecurity aspect, I was, of course, very,
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  Speaker 4: very insecure. Pretty much throughout my entire, even up until
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  Speaker 4: my young adult life, until my mid-20s, very, very insecure,
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  Speaker 4: very lost.
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  Speaker 3: I never understood what I was doing here.
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  Speaker 4: And a lot of the questions I asked myself as
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  Speaker 4: a little boy, you know, just a kid, I still
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  Speaker 4: ask myself today.
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  Speaker 3: I just, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 4: I'm doing what I always envisioned I would do, but
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  Speaker 4: my mindset isn't much different.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So did your parents get you a pet of your
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  Speaker 1: own or you had to go and volunteer to go
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  Speaker 1: see other animals?
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  Speaker 4: You know, it was really sad because I had a
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  Speaker 4: pet and I became allergic to dogs. And I'm allergic
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  Speaker 4: to anything with fur. I had severe allergies. I was
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  Speaker 4: always sick as well. And looking back at it, it
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  Speaker 4: was definitely because of stress. My parents were always screaming
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  Speaker 4: at each other. They were very, very loud and very
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  Speaker 4: negative about everything. And it was, you know, they're still alive.
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  Speaker 4: So I always feel a little bit of guilt when
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  Speaker 4: I talk about it. But it was just a really
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  Speaker 4: really just an unfortunate way for a child to view
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  Speaker 4: a relationship, which really messed me up up until honestly recently,
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  Speaker 4: you know, thinking of what a relationship should look like
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  Speaker 4: and sound like.
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  Speaker 3: And it was just awful.
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  Speaker 4: So looking back at why I was always sick and
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  Speaker 4: I had like severe scoliosis when I would go.
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  Speaker 3: To school, I had to wear this huge back brace.
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  Speaker 4: So imagine being a kid with learning disabilities with a
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  Speaker 4: back brace, tall, can't defend himself. So like, I was
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  Speaker 4: just this tool to get, to get bullied and I
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  Speaker 4: finally had a dog and it was like the most
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  Speaker 4: amazing thing. And then they took the dog away from
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  Speaker 4: me because I became allergic. I was allergic to everything.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you name it.
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  Speaker 6: And I was allergic to it.
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  Speaker 4: Like I remember begging for a rabbit and I couldn't
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  Speaker 4: have the rabbit. So eventually by going, as I mentioned earlier,
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  Speaker 4: I would go to these animals and I, I gotta
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  Speaker 4: tell you, I kind of feel a little bit guilty
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  Speaker 4: because I'm, I'm acting like I had it so terrible,
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  Speaker 4: but I, everything that I went through without a doubt
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  Speaker 4: has shaped me to what I'm able to do now
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  Speaker 4: and to have the compassion I have for not just animals,
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  Speaker 4: but people.
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  Speaker 3: So as I talk about my childhood, I want you to.
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  Speaker 4: Know that I really don't regret a thing. And I
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  Speaker 4: also know, not regret, I wouldn't change a thing, excuse me,
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  Speaker 4: but I also know that my parents, understanding who they
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  Speaker 4: are now, really did the best that they could at
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  Speaker 4: the time. They really were doing their best and in
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  Speaker 4: their minds, you know, were the best parents in the world.
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  Speaker 4: So I just want to say that. But by ignoring
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  Speaker 4: the fact that I was allergic to dogs and going
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  Speaker 4: to the animal shelters, I felt, I think that I
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  Speaker 4: built a strong enough immune system to where I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: allergic anymore.
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  Speaker 3: And eventually I was able to get a dog. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. That's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I think what you said was so important because so
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  Speaker 1: many people look back on their lives and they have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of regrets or guilt or shame or they
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  Speaker 1: feel really bad about their childhood and want to change
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  Speaker 1: it so much. But I think it's so important for
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  Speaker 1: people to realize that that shapes who you are. And
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  Speaker 1: unless you have lows or things to, you know, compare
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  Speaker 1: to what's good, you don't know the difference. Like there's
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  Speaker 1: such a pendulum. You have to be able to feel,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the negative to be able to feel the positive.
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  Speaker 1: And it's such a great thing for people to realize
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  Speaker 1: that who you are is shaped by where you came
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  Speaker 1: from and you can just learn a bunch of lessons
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  Speaker 1: and it's okay to kind of be in it and
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  Speaker 1: know that that's shaped who you are and you're a
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  Speaker 1: better person for it instead of wishing it was different, right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's how I feel.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you nailed it.
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  Speaker 4: If you could correct me, I forgot what you said,
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  Speaker 4: but in order for, can you repeat that one part
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  Speaker 4: in order to know how to be so positive?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see things.
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  Speaker 1: I actually have a tattoo down my spine of it
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  Speaker 1: that says, without pain, happiness has no meaning.
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  Speaker 2: And I believe in the pendulum.
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  Speaker 3: So, like, you bring up a beautiful point, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I have this, you know, I go to therapy and
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  Speaker 4: I really invest in my mental health. and no one's
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  Speaker 4: ever been able to help me look at what I'm
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  Speaker 4: about to tell you in a positive light up until
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  Speaker 4: a couple of days ago. I have a personal trainer
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  Speaker 4: and he said to me, he was making a joke.
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  Speaker 4: He said, my mother-in-law father follows you on Instagram. She
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  Speaker 4: asked me if you were single. So I said, And he,
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  Speaker 4: he asked me like, if that happens a lot and
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  Speaker 4: stuff like that. And I said, you know, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 4: People get this image of me on social media, but
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  Speaker 4: they don't know how toxic it is to date me. How, how,
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  Speaker 4: how toxic it is. And he said, what are you,
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  Speaker 4: he's like, what are you talking about? He's like, I,
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  Speaker 4: you're the nicest guy I've ever met. I love training you.
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  Speaker 4: If I had a daughter, you know, he has a son.
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  Speaker 4: If I had a daughter, I don't think I could
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  Speaker 4: want her to date anyone else, but you. And I said,
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  Speaker 4: his name is Rod. I said, Rod, you know, Sometimes
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  Speaker 4: I could be in the room with someone and I
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  Speaker 4: think about something negative and I create like nothing, nothing
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  Speaker 4: at all happens.
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  Speaker 3: But all of a sudden I become completely cold.
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  Speaker 7: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
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  Speaker 7: know about the drawer. The drawer.
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  Speaker 8: Just the one square before bed. Or two, you know.
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  Speaker 8: Nobody's watching.
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  Speaker 7: You deserve a treat. With eight flavors to choose from,
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  Speaker 7: you can choose the flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
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  Speaker 3: And shut off.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, I could be at a restaurant and
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  Speaker 4: I could hear someone speaking badly about someone. And you
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  Speaker 4: would think that they were talking to me. I said,
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  Speaker 4: I take on everyone's energy and I become this this
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  Speaker 4: toxic person. And of course, since nothing happened, the person
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  Speaker 4: in the room thinks that they did something wrong. And
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  Speaker 4: the more they push to try to figure out what
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  Speaker 4: they did wrong, the more upset and closed off I get.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, it's, I said, it's such a terrible
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  Speaker 4: trait that, you know, I, I feel so bad for
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  Speaker 4: the people in my life. And you know what he
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  Speaker 4: said to me? He said, Lee, he said, you're the
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  Speaker 4: most giving person. Like, because I'm with him two hours
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  Speaker 4: every morning. So he hears me on the phone. If
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  Speaker 4: he needs a favor, you know, he knows me very well.
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  Speaker 4: And he said, I'm so glad to hear you say
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  Speaker 4: this because I was wondering like, there's gotta be something
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  Speaker 4: wrong with him. And he said, but there's nothing wrong
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  Speaker 4: with you. He said, I believe in order to be
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  Speaker 4: as good as you are, you also have to be bad.
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  Speaker 4: Like you also have to be low. And he said,
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  Speaker 4: for you to jump really high, what do you have
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  Speaker 4: to do? You have to crouch down low to the floor.
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  Speaker 4: And it was such a, such, and you know, he
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  Speaker 4: explained it better, but it was such a beautiful way to,
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  Speaker 4: for me to view it as if like me, like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I can go really good, really high, but
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  Speaker 4: number to get really high, you have to go really
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  Speaker 4: low sometimes, you know, and it's, uh, It's true. I
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  Speaker 4: believe the most amount of growth is in the struggle.
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  Speaker 4: There is no life without pain. It teaches us the
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  Speaker 4: most beautiful things in the world. When you know that
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  Speaker 4: pain is happening for you and not happening to you,
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  Speaker 4: which is a really hard thing to understand, when you're
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  Speaker 4: able to.
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  Speaker 3: Embrace it and know that it's for you, like this is.
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  Speaker 4: I believe my personal belief that anything that happens to
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  Speaker 4: us in our life is so that we can make
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  Speaker 4: another life better. I believe that no matter what you
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  Speaker 4: go through, it's not for you. It's for you to
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  Speaker 4: use that energy, that tool, that wisdom, that experience. It's
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  Speaker 4: for you to use that to help another person in
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  Speaker 4: some way. And then that person uses that and that person,
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  Speaker 4: and that is the gift of life. That is why
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  Speaker 4: we are, we all, Everyone's looking for their purpose. We
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  Speaker 4: all have the same purpose. It's to help each other
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  Speaker 4: in some way. We can all help each other in
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  Speaker 4: different ways, but that is your purpose. It's to help people.
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  Speaker 4: We all have it.
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  Speaker 3: And I.
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  Speaker 4: Believe that to my core. And, you know, the people,
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  Speaker 4: I hear stories of what dogs go through cats. I
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  Speaker 4: hear stories that, you know, really test me.
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  Speaker 3: Can I believe in people again? Can I trust people again?
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  Speaker 4: And it's like, yes, you can, because this is so
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  Speaker 4: you can teach so that you can inspire. This is
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  Speaker 4: not for you, for you to, for you to learn
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  Speaker 4: this and experience this and be closed off from it
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  Speaker 4: is the opposite of what the universe wants you to
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  Speaker 4: do with it.
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  Speaker 3: You know? Right.
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  Speaker 1: So in bringing up that point, you've talked a lot
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  Speaker 1: about how you had a fear of death when you
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  Speaker 1: were younger and the concept of uncertainty. When did that
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  Speaker 1: start for you? And also, how did you figure your
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  Speaker 1: way out of that? So you changed your mentality on
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  Speaker 1: that fear.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, you're really good at this. My goodness.
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  Speaker 2: I've done a lot of research on you.
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  Speaker 4: I'll never forget this story. And by the way, I
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  Speaker 4: know sometimes I could talk a lot. I'm not as
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  Speaker 4: sensitive as I once was. Never hesitate to interrupt me, okay?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to interrupt you, but go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't mind if I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Rambling, you know, but I'll tell you the story. I
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  Speaker 4: was sitting on my mom. My parents watched a lot
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  Speaker 4: of news. You know, the news was always on, on
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  Speaker 4: every TV in the house, the news was on. And
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  Speaker 4: I was sitting on my, my mom's bed while she
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  Speaker 4: was getting ready for work. And I had just been
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  Speaker 4: able to start talking and understanding things. And somebody died.
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  Speaker 4: I think it might've been Frank Sinatra, if I am
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  Speaker 4: not mistaken. But somebody died and I asked my mom,
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  Speaker 4: how did they die? And she said, whatever she said,
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  Speaker 4: they just, they died, right? And I said, how can
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  Speaker 4: someone die like that? And she said, a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people die that way. And I said, how else do
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  Speaker 4: people die? And she said, you name it, you know?
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  Speaker 4: And then she said, she's like, Lee, you know that
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  Speaker 4: everybody dies, right? And I said, everybody dies? Everybody, I said,
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  Speaker 4: and then what happens? She's like, I don't know. When
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  Speaker 4: she said that, my world, I remember like feeling nothing
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  Speaker 4: but fear. And, you know, again, she did the best
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  Speaker 4: that she could. But in that moment, instead of like
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  Speaker 4: comforting me and letting me know, you know, that it's
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  Speaker 4: about the journey and that life, you know, she was like,
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  Speaker 4: grow up.
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  Speaker 3: Like everybody dies, you know, snap out of it. I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to work.
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  Speaker 4: It was very cold and quick. And I started just
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  Speaker 4: obsessing over the thought. You know, it brought me such anxiety.
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  Speaker 4: I used to just think about it out loud and say, no.
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  Speaker 7: No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: Like, don't think about it right now. You know, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: And I realized, you know, like, I think I really
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  Speaker 4: had that fear up until I kind of found my purpose.
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  Speaker 4: That's really what took it away. It was finding, figuring
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  Speaker 4: out why I was here. Because then it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 4: to me what happens after you die.
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  Speaker 3: It matters to me what happens while I'm alive. Right.
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And that changed my whole perspective is like finding the
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  Speaker 4: Asher house, creating the community. And also to be honest,
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  Speaker 4: and not the most, this is what I'm about to
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  Speaker 4: say is I'm very positive or optimistic, but it's the truth.
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  Speaker 4: As you get from me, being so invested into animal rescue.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you can go to the shelter without really
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  Speaker 4: knowing much about animal rescue. You just know about the dog.
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  Speaker 4: But with what I do now, finding so much about
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  Speaker 4: how cruel people can be, how unfair life can be,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I started thinking to myself.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: That death can't be that way. That I.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: And more curious, you know, about what would happen.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Instead of fearing it, I'm more curious because I don't
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: think anything in the world would be as unfair or
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: as cruel as how life can be. Now, I also
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: believe that life can be beautiful and peaceful and all this,
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: but I think what I now have the belief where
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: my feeling, my answer is not the unknown, that I
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: believe there's a peace to it.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: And that's why it's so important, you know, to.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: do your best to find that peace here and do
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: your best to make it count. But I don't think that,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: that it will be that unfair once we're gone, if
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: that makes sense.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: So, you know, I think that's so important what you're
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: talking about finding your purpose because so many of us
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: are lost, right? And even if we're chugging along and
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: doing what we think we're supposed to do, and we,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: you know, find that partner or we have kids or
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: we find a job, sometimes people are still really unhappy
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: and they can't figure out why. And, I'm 48 years
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: old and I'm doing my best to, you know, reinvent
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: my life all the time and figure it out because
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I've realized that that sense of being unhappy is because
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I haven't found a purpose.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: And so I'm constantly trying to figure it out. I
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: think it's the, the first step is for your second
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: act of life kind of, or even getting to that
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: point where you feel like your life has started is
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: finding that purpose. And for a lot of people, it's
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: really hard. But it sounds like for you, at some point,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you were able to figure out your purpose. And so
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I want to get into that, because that's where you
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: kind of flourish and become someone new, even though you're
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: talking about being the same person, but it's when your
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: life started. So you quit your job, you traveled in
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: an RV across the country to rescue animals. And I
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: want to know what that was like. What were you
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: doing as a job to begin with that you quit?
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was working for a finance company where I
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: would go to different sales companies and help them with
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: motivation and sales strategies and to, you know, increase optimization
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: and to, to be more motivated, you know, talk to
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: them about energy and health.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: A lot of what I.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: Talk about now, but I would do it, you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: for a corporate company and go in there. They would
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: call me a corporate trainer, but the truth is, you know, it's,
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: can I curse on here or no?
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it was bullshit.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: You know, I didn't know at all how to train
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: a company. I never owned a business. I was just,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I was just a tall guy who looked good in
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: a suit. who can, who can reiterate words from other people,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: you know, it's all about motivate, but I didn't know
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: anything about it.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I felt like such a phony.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: It wasn't from your experience, right? It was just.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I didn't believe it.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I believed, you know, you need to be healthy and
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: you need to work hard and go, go, go all
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: these things.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: But You shouldn't ever speak about something unless you experience it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: You should never ask somebody how to start a business
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: or how to run a business if he's never or
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: she's never done those things, you know? So I was
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: just a phony. I was so tired of being a phony.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: I was so tired of being like everybody else. I
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: was so tired of not going, starting my own path,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: my own way. The only reason I'm bringing this up
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: is because you mentioned death. I thought a lot about death,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: and it's like, what's this thought that you're gonna live
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: another 10 years? What's this thought that you're gonna live
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: another five years? You don't know shit. You don't know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: you don't know what the fuck.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: know about the drawer. The drawer.
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: Just the one square before bed. Or two, you know.
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: Nobody's watching. You deserve a treat.
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: What's going.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: To happen tonight? You know, I said, do, do what, what,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: what do you love to do?
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Lee Asher?
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: What do you love to do? I said, I love
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: to help people. What else do you love to do?
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I said, I love to help animals. Fucking go do it. Go,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: go figure out how to do that.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Those are the two.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Things that you don't need to make money from to
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: be happy. Go do that and nothing else. And that
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: became my obsession to figure those things out. How do
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: I do that?
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: And the answer was right in front of me because
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: I had, you know, I was at the shelter and
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: I was making videos of animals and people loved the
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: videos at the time. And, you know, it was getting
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: animals adopted. So I said, I'm doing, why don't I
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: do this? You know, how do I take it to
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: the next level? And the next one, I kept thinking like, okay, this,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: I can only take this to here, right? To this level.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: What can I do now to take it to the
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: next one? And that's what I kept focusing on is
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: the next one. the next level, which I'm sure I
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: could tell you're someone who has really high standards because
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: you talked about your purpose, which I think you do
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: such a good job at this. So you obviously have
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: really high standards. So people with high standards, it's much
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: harder for them to find their purpose, right? Because you'll
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: find your purpose. You say, no, no, that can't be it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: It has to be, it has to be this. It
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: has to be that, right? But a lot of times
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: our purpose is just that, is just doing that little
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: bit of good. You know, that one person's life that
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: you saved, that was it. You continue on that path.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Not that you retire, but you just keep. But anyways,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I knew for me, like I had to leave it
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: all behind. I had to leave it all behind.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: And what was that like?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Literally quitting your job, not knowing where your income was
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: going to come from.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I was just thinking about this this morning. I was
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: just thinking about this. I was at the gym and
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: I was, I was having a hard time with my workout.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: And sometimes when I'm having a hard time, what I
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: do is I think of harder times. So whenever I'm
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: having a hard time, I think of a time that
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: was harder for me that I.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Got through it.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: And that always helps me with the hard time, which
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: is a, you know, a really good strategy. So, I
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: was thinking about the day that I told my mentor
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: my plan. His name is Al, he lives in Palm Beach.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: And this is the only guy who I felt ever
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: thought I'd be successful, right? There was one guy who
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: thought I'd be successful and he was, you know, very
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: successful guy and his word meant everything to me. And
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I told him my plan and he said, For the
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: first time ever, he called me stupid.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Wow. He's like, wow, you're stupid. I said, no, don't
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: say that. I remember. He said, you know, I really
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: believed in you. Past tense. And now you're doing this.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Because the way everyone would explain it, you're quitting. This
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: is what everyone, you're quitting your job to travel with
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: dogs in an RV. And it's like, you could say
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: anything with that tone. I said, no, I'm going to visit.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go to different shelters. I'm going to
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: visit shelters and get animals adopted. And I'm going to
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: be able to teach people how to train rescue animals
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: and how to build a bond. And, you know, I'm
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: passionate about it. And I remember just like, you know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: you feel so small. Like, you feel like, you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: I felt like how, like, just like back I did
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: in those classes. You know, you're so alone, so misunderstood. Like,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: nobody gets it. And it's at that moment.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: That you can decide.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: That is a pivotal moment for your life, your career,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: your relationships. It's that moment where you say, okay, here's
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: the decision I have to make.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: It's not about proving everyone wrong.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: It's about am I going to prove to myself that
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: I'm right or am I going to prove them that
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: they're right? You should never want to prove to them
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: that they're wrong, right? Because now you have ego involved
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: in your mission. There should never be ego involved in
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: your mission. The battle is always within. Am I going
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: to prove to myself that I'm right and I was
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: born with all these dyslexic and ADD and this and
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: all that, can't do math, can't do this, all because
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: I'm supposed to do this with my life? Or am
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: I going to show them that they were right?
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: You see? And that was the moment, you know, I said,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I'm going to do everything it takes.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Like- And that's so brave because it's so hard for
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: people because so many people ask outside opinions, right?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And that sways. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: You never, today, somebody asked me my opinion on an
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: invention that they want to create, right? And I said-
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: will my opinion make a difference in whether or not
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: you do it or not?
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: And they said, I'm not sure.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: And I said, first decide if you're going to do
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: it no matter what, then ask me my opinion. Yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: That's a great answer.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: But that's such a great lesson that you're giving people on,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you know, don't be swayed because somebody else is disappointed
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: in your decision because ultimately you you will feel disappointed
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: if you don't follow your own path. I mean, that's
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: why so many people are stuck.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: When they say the affirmation, which I love, all you
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: need is within you now, right? That is because it
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: is completely, you are the controller.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: You are all of it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: You know, you are everything that you need to do
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: what you need to do. You are everything that you,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: you need to be able to pivot, right? There's a different, right?
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Let's say, for example, it's a basketball player who's obsessed
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: with basketball.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I have to play basketball. I have to play basketball.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: What that person needs.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: To do is realize they don't have to play basketball,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: but they have to be involved in basketball.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: You have to be able to pivot.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: You have to love it so much that you're willing
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: to let the universe eventually tell you, listen, you literally
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: don't have legs. You can't play basketball in the NBA,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: but you can be a hell of a fucking coach.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Right. And that's what it's about. It's about not.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Letting people tell you, but you understanding what you're able
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: to do and what you're able to accomplish, but never
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: taking your eyes off the main goal, right? You have
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: to have your eyes open. so laser focused on it.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: And I was lucky, you know, a lot of people
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: tell me this, which they're right. Excuse me while I
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: take my jacket off. A lot of people say it
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: was easier for you to make this decision because you
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: didn't have a wife or children. I did have a
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: girlfriend at the time that, you know, I, I, I
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: knew with where my head was at this, my focus was,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: was going to be my passion, but you know, it,
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: When someone says, yeah, but I have kids, I have this,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: I have that. At the end of the day, these
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: are all the reasons why you should do it.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Right. You know, when people tell me their reasoning of
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: why they can't get to a certain, a certain point
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: in their life or their career, they're telling me the
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: reasons why they should.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: They're telling me all the reasons why you should, you
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: should be.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Even if you fail, you're teaching your kids that you
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: went for it no matter what.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: We have such a short window, Rachel.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: If you think about it, even if you lived to
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: 100 years old, even if you lived to 100 years old,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: in order to be a healthy operator as a human being,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: you have to get enough sleep, minimum seven, eight hours, right?
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: You have to exercise minimum an hour. You have to
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: eat right. So you have to plan that accordingly. You
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: have to invest rest. You have to invest your, you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: whether it be meditation or cold or sauna, you have
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: all of these things that you have to do to
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: be clear and focused.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: You have such a short window to do something amazing.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: So we should never spend that time With reasons of
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: why we're not doing it. Right. You know, everything should
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: be to better your life, to better, you are an energy,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: like you have no control over that. You are an
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: unstoppable energy. When you move, energy moves with you. You
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: walk into a restaurant, that energy is now formed with
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: all these other energies. You have a responsibility as a
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: human being to be an unstoppable force for good.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: And that's why everyone's so messed up right now because
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: there's so much negative energy, so many people making bad
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: decisions that people are confused of which direction they should go.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: But you need to be laser focused on your mission.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: You need to be laser focused on your passion. When
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: you're doing that, you don't judge others. You don't make
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: fun of others. You don't put negative. You're too busy
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: and you're too focused on being a force for good.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: That should be everyone's rule, everyone's intention to be a
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: force for good every.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Day, you know?
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: And it sounds like from what you're talking about, you
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: really believe in the power of positivity and manifestation. And
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I know from doing some, you know, following you, that you,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: when you set out on your journey, you had a
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: vision board for yourself. Do you think that's important for people?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Do you still have one? Do you still go by
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: that mentality?
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: I don't have the actual board because in my mind,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: you know, now it's, about maintaining, I accomplished the entire board,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: like literally from A to Z, the board is all
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: checked off, right? So although I still have the board,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I don't go to it for vision, I go to
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: it to humble me, right? But now it's all about
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: maintaining the board, making sure that the visions of the board.
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: know about the drawer.
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: The drawer. Just the one square before bed. Or two,
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: you know, nobody's watching. You deserve a treat.
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Don't fall off, of course. You know, it's hard to
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: get there, but it's harder to maintain, I can tell
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: you that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: And I think that people should use any sort of
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: positive influence that helps them. I'll tell you what I
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: don't like to see is people who have a vision
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: board because they read it that it's good in a book.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: You have to have a vision board because you know
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: that if you use it as a tool, not as artwork, right?
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: That's why it's so important not to bullshit yourself because
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: bullshitting yourself is a habit, right? You buy the book
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: that you never read. I don't believe, and I say
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: this with absolute respect, you know, I know books change
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: lives and movies change lives and motivational speakers change lives,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: all that shit. But man, you already know it. You
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: already know what to do. You just have to apply
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: it and apply it consistently. No one can teach you
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: consistency and no one can teach you discipline. Those are
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: the two things, the two things that are going to
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: get you where you need to go, whether it be physical,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: you know, weight loss, weight gain, strength, whatever it be.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Consistency, discipline, whether it be money, consistency, discipline.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: A good relationship, a healthy relationship. You can't not, you
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: can't wake up and stop giving a shit about your
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: relationship one day. You have to consistently, you know, be
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: a good partner, right? Be disciplined, all these things. It's
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: an everyday thing. And once you lack either of those things,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: you realize you have to accept the fact that your
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: mission is not that important to you. It's more people
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: take on more hobbies than missions.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I found.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: So one of the things on your vision board that
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: you were talking about earlier was to go on Ellen
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and you let that happen or it happened for you.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Cause so many people kept contacting her and saying, Lee
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Asher should be on your show. Tell me what it
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: was like to be on Ellen.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: It was a cool experience.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: You know, I am respectful with respectful to her.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think I would do it again. I never
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: said that before, but I think I did it. And I,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I don't see myself doing it again.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: So she's seen as like the queen of mean now
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: for a little bit. Did she treat you like that
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: or did you feel honored?
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: She was very nice to me. She was very nice
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: to me. And I can't comment on her work environment because,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: you know, from my experience, whatever I would have to
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: say would be fabricated. They don't give you enough. You know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: you're in a room by yourself. You're watching Ellen on
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: the screen. And then they say, okay, now you're on Ellen.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: So I could not comment on that.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: It must have helped you and gave you a lot
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of visibility now.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be more.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: To me, you know what the best part about being
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: on Ellen was?
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: It said, okay, you see, you could do it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: You've made it. It's just something to check off on
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: your list. It's a guide.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I never, I wouldn't, I never, even.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Today, I don't feel like I've made it, which I
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: think because it happened to me later in my career,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: you know, success didn't happen to me until my thirties.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: So I never felt like I made, I know how hard.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: It is, but when I made it on Ellen, it
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: was like one of the further things down before a sanctuary.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: It was like the eighth thing on my list to success.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: to accomplish.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: And when I made it, I said, wow, you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: you're about to almost check everything off. You have, you
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: have like two or three more things to check off,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: which I gave myself like five years to do, which,
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: you know, because of COVID, I did it a lot shorter.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: But that to me was like, you are on the
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: right pathway. Goodness always prevails. You've made mistakes, you know,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: you have regrets in your business, you know, but you
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: kept doing the right thing. And that's something that really
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: the Ellen show taught me. Like, I kept doing the
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: right thing, and I was able to get on that show.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: And that was really a beautiful, like, stay on this
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: direction type of thing.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: So talk to us now. So you started in Florida.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: You get in an RV. You start driving across country.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Did you know you were going towards Oregon, or did you?
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: No, I didn't.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I started in California. I grew up in Florida. Oh, okay.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I grew up in Florida, but with that job
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: I told you about, it would require me to live
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: in a different city and state every three to four months.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: So I hadn't been back to Florida quite some time.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: And still today, I haven't been back to Florida in years.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: So I haven't been back to Florida in a while.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: And I was living in California at the time. And
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: the reason I decided to do the RV thing is
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: because Instagram Live had just came out. It was brand new.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: And I was doing a live every, every few days.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: And everyone was saying, I would love to meet your dogs. Come,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: you know, if you could, this shelter needs your help.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: This shelter needs your help. This shelter needs your help.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: And I thought to myself, how the hell can I,
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: you know, I want to give the people what they want.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: I didn't have many followers. I had like maybe 15,000, 20,000,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: which at the time I thought was like, Oh my God,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: this is so crazy. And I, I was doing a
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: lot of my work in my friend's RV and my
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: friend Luke's RV.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: So I said, as a joke, maybe I can fix
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: this and come meet everybody.
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: And as soon as I said that, I felt like,
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: like this energy to my, like, you know, like you can't,
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: it's just like this sign, this idea, this, this is it. I,
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: all of a sudden I said, whatever this is, wait.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Wait, wait, I'm alive. I was like, wait, wait, maybe
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I could really get this. This is such a good idea.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: And that's when it started coming together, you know?
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: And I went with my, we got the RV, which
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: was like this beautiful, beautiful experience.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Cause I couldn't afford it.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: So I had a Kickstarter and we raised $ 40, 000 and
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: I bought this RV and I left. And I remember
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: leaving California, um, Leaving California. And I remember thinking to my, like,
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: it was supposed to be a three month trip. So
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: I didn't think that this was going to be a
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: new start to my career. You know, I thought it
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: was just going to be a step. And I remember
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: looking back in.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: The RV, seeing the dogs behind me.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: And I said, this is it. This is, this is
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: not going to be it. This isn't the next step.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: This is the next chapter.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Right. And I ended up traveling around the country. with,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: started with seven dogs, then nine dogs, then 11 dogs.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: And we went all around, we went every single state,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: even all the way to Anchorage, Alaska. Wow. Yep. And
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: it was such an experience.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: And we got so many dogs adopted and met so
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: many of our followers and fans. And it was just
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: this crazy experience. You know, it's living in the RV
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: that really... founded and built and shaped who I am
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: today and started this next chapter of my life because
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: it was living in an RV when COVID happened and
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: I couldn't travel anymore, right? So I was stuck for
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: a moment until I said, no, this is happening for me,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: not to me. And I said, if I can't travel
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: in an RV, I need to still impact the world.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: I need to still inspire people and still rescue animals.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: What can I do? And the idea for.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: The animal shelter was very, very soon after that, that
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: whole thought process. But throughout my travels, Rachel, at one
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: time when I land, I was camping in Oregon in
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: the RV. I was camping in Oregon and it wasn't
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: in the winter. It was in the summer and I
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: was like, uh, speechless. You know, I couldn't believe the,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: the way how vibrant everything is, how green everything The
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: amount of land and trees, I said, the coast.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Have you ever been to the Oregon coast?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I have not, no.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: You can't explain it.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, the rock formations and everything is just like,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: to me, I said, this is where I want to be.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: And the winters are really tough. You know, it's really tough.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: You have a lot of mud and the dogs are
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: always wet and it's cold and it's windy. But just
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: like you said earlier, you know, the pain for happiness
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: to be that beautiful, you have to go through the
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: pain for, for Oregon to look like the way it
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: looks in the fall and the summer, it has to
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: go through the, the, the, the darker weather. It has
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: to go through these times and it's worth it because it's,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: to me, it's the most beautiful place. And like, seriously,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: like in all of the U S I think Oregon
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: is the most beautiful.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: We all need to go then.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: So talk to us about the developing, you talked about
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: developing the idea of the Asher House. So you finally
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: get this sanctuary. How did it become more of bringing
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: in animals to take care of them and give them
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: their forever home as opposed to creating a place for
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: you to just have dogs and other animals adopted out?
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: How did I say it? Say it one more time.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: So it's more.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Asher House is more of a place where animals can
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: come now to live out their life, correct? As opposed
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: to you creating a shelter for dogs to come and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: get adopted.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: And was that because you had.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: More land and you figured, oh, I can really take
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: these in.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: As a sanctuary?
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: There's a couple of reasons. So the first thing is.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: Where we live, the county that we live, when we
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: bought the sanctuary, we weren't aware of this until after it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: But where we live, you're not allowed to adopt animals
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: out from your home.
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: know about the drawer.
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: The drawer. Just the one square before bed. Or two,
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve a treat.
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Allowed to have a rescue from your home.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: So we decided we have an amazing partner called New
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Life Animal, Family Dog New Life. We're starting to collaborate.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: So the Asher House's name is going to be in
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: there soon. We're going to mesh it together and call
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: it New Life Asher House. but for now it's Family
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Dog New Life Animal Shelter, an amazing shelter in Portland.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: And they have it, their shelter is set up like
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: a daycare. So there's no kennels, all the dogs are
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: there together. So we have partnered with them. And when
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: we bring in animals that we believe will do well
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: with the family, we bring them, we rehabilitate them there,
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: get them to a certain place, and then family.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Dogs will adopt them out.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: But a lot of the times we take in dogs
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: And people don't see this part.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: And they ask, please adopt that dog out, adopt that
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: dog out.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: But they don't realize what that dog would be like
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: outside of the pack. The amount of dogs and the
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: type of people that we have here is certainly an
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: environment for most dogs.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Like 99.9% of dogs that come here. have some sort
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: of trauma, you know, are neglected, start.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: So they have so much, so many trust issues that
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: if they're ever put back in a similar environment, right,
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: that they were in before, it's this awful experience where they,
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: it completely reverses everything and they just become a different,
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: back to.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: The original type of dog that they were.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: So a great example is we had this dog that,
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: you know, they warned us would bite, would warn us
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: would tear everything apart. This dog was vegan and neglected
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: and completely starved. So we don't see those characteristics. When
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: I take in a dog for some reason, I have
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: nothing but confidence that we can rehabilitate any dog, any
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: living thing.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: We can take this animal and show him or her
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: what love is. That's all an animal needs in order
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: for it to not be aggressive or any of these things, right?
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: People act out.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: When they're in pain. Animals act out when they're in pain.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: So if we feel like an animal would continue acting
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: out outside of the sanctuary, then he or she will
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: stay here so that people can only see the beautiful
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: side of that animal. But If we feel like an animal, man,
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: this dog would really thrive if it just had a
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: mom or if it just had a dad or if
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: it had a family where it didn't have to fight
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: for attention, then we.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Adopt the animal out.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: And it's something so beautiful because in the beginning, it
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: was very hard for me to let go of an
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: animal because I said to myself, like, they thrive here.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: I know that they're well taken care of. They get
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: all the love, all the food. They get everything they
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: need here. They have the pack.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: But up until recently when we exceeded 50 dogs and
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: we started adopting them out through our rescue partners, I
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: hear the families with the dogs and I see the
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: dogs look even happier with them than they did with me.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: And it brings me so much joy because it's really
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: important to believe.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: In people and to see the good in people.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: And as hard as it is to hear the terrible stories,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: it makes the beautiful story so much better. You know,
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: we just adopted out this dog, Moishe, a bloodhound puppy.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: It was my dream dog, you know, giving, letting this
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: dog go was like, I didn't know what was wrong
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: with me, but I realized like everything that I do
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: is not for dog. I'm here to make the dog's
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: life better. And I knew Moishe would thrive better with
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: a family. And that's exactly what he got.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: And I've never seen a happier dog. Like it's, it's
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: really a beautiful thing, man. It really is.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: There's nothing like seeing dogs get adopted. I mean, it, it,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I can, I can imagine that it's so hard for
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: you because you spent so much time with them and
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: built a relationship with them and a chemistry, but then
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: there's also nothing like seeing a family that really wants
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: this dog and wants to make them a part of
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: their life.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's so great.
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: So, okay.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I have a bunch of questions based on someone who
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: like anyone else, watches the Asher House on Instagram, and just,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: there are a million questions that go along with watching
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: you and your story.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna fire through a couple of them.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, how do you pick- You want me to answer
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: them quick? You want me to answer them quickly?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, like- Okay, yeah, yeah. You don't have to
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: get into long answers. They're short questions. How do you
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: pick who deserves to be rescued? It must be so hard.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, at this point, the dynamic of the
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: pack has a lot to do with it.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: So it's really not about the dog we're about to rescue.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: It's about the dynamic of the pack and what I
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: feel would be in a good addition to the energy
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: of the pack. Right. So, for example, if I let's say,
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: which is true, last week I rescued a really high
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: anxiety dog, really high anxiety.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: If it has anything next to it, it chews it up.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: It's just always freaking out.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Until I release the dog's anxiety, I will not adopt
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: another dog. I will not bring another dog that matches
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: that dog's energy or else they'll feed off each other.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying?
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: So it's all depends on the dynamic of the pack
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: and where the dogs are.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: That is how I decide which dog I bring in next.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: And how does it work with dogs getting along?
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I have two right now and I have
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: a little one and I have a big one and
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I just rescued the big one. And, you know, the
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: big one was clearly abused before we brought it home
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: and had all these issues that we didn't really know about.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: And then I have my little dog that I've had
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: since almost birth.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: So they didn't get along so well. Now they do.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: But how does it work when in a big pack
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: So imagine and I've never used this analogy so be
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: kind to me if you wanted to join a gang
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: right and maybe there's a better word for it but
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: let's say there was a gang that you wanted to
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: be a part of okay and the gang said for
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: you to be a part of our gang You have
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: to be okay with this, this, this, this, and this.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: No negotiation. That's it. You have to be okay with
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: these five things. Then you enter. You are now doing
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: those five things.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: What I mean by that is when a dog comes in,
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: we have a big pack and we operate a certain way.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: With a dog, right? They are pack animals. So when
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: a dog comes into the pack, It's already set up
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: for them. The rules are at play. How the other
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: dogs are acting and being, that dog realizes this is
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: how I have to act and be.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Why is that?
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: Because if this dog comes into a gang, if this
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: dog comes into a pack of 50 gang members and
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: he says, I'm the king, what do you think is.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Going to happen?
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not going to go over very well.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: They're going to be like, fuck that. You know, I
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: can tell you. Rebellion, yeah. So they get, so it's that,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: you know, they say.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: We're a product, we're a product of the people we
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: spend time with, right? So same for animals, the animal,
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: you could have the nicest Chihuahua in the world, but
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: if you put that Chihuahua with 10 really feisty Chihuahuas,
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: that Chihuahua is.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Going to end up being an asshole as well. Right.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: It has, it's about, it's about putting that dog in
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: a better environment.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm always so confident.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Like I just did this rescue video and a lot
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: of people commented because the owner said, please tell me
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: if it doesn't work out. They always like to act
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: like they give a shit. Please tell me if it
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: doesn't work out. I said, trust me, it's going to
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: work out, right? And a lot of people commented, how
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: did you know it was going to work out? You
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: don't even know the dog. I know it's going to
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: work out because that dog is now my dog. That
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: dog is coming into my path. And that's how I
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: know it's going to work out. You see what I
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: mean by that?
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: How do you get these dogs? This question my daughter
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: brought up to me this morning because she loves you also.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: How do you get the dogs to trust you? Because
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: you're going into an environment, you're seeing a dog who's
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: super scared or abused or hasn't lived with someone because
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: they've lived on the street for a while. How do
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: you get them to actually trust you before you take
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: them to the pack, but trust you personally?
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: Rachel, I got to tell you something, you know. You
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: are really... Beautiful at asking good questions. You know how
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: to ask a question. Like, you ask the important stuff.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: You can ask a lot of stuff with what I do.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: You ask the good questions, and you're patient with me.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: You're really, like, a pro.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: I want you to know. I really enjoy it. It's
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: really beautiful.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: And tell your daughter that's such a good question, right?
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: It goes back to your previous question of how do
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: all the dogs get along so well. Mm-hmm. I know, right,
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: that there isn't a situation that's going to make me
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: feel like this was a mistake. The dog can feel
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: that for me. So the dog doesn't think if I
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: do this, he will hit me. If I do this,
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: he will put me away. If I do this, he's
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: going to get mad. The dog knows this guy has
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: my back. He could feel that with my energy. He
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: could feel it with the way that I pet her,
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: with the way that I hold her close. This guy
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: isn't like the others, right? It is my natural instinct
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: for me as a human to protect people. I'm a
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: big protector. I always, because I was bullied so bad,
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: I have this natural instinct to.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Protect the weak.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: So when I bring in a new dog, if you
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: were to visualize it, like I take the dog and
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: I'm holding him behind my back. So that he or
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: she can see in front, can see, but I'm the guardian.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: I'm the protector. And they can feel that. It's the
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: way that I carry them, the way that I hold them,
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: the way that I don't hold their stories accountable. For example,
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: when I bring in a dog, I treat that dog
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: as if it was born that day. It's a new day.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: And I really believe that they can feel that I, they,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: it's just like, you know, I think the best thing
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: about dogs is their instincts. Although sometimes, you know, it
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: happens where a dog has bit someone innocent and things
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: like that, but the dog usually it's all out of fear.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: So I take away all of the fear. You know, I, I,
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: that is my objective. When I meet a dog, it's like,
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: you're not going to fear me.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Right. If that makes sense.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: And it goes with experience, Rachel. Like I don't want
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: people to think to themselves, oh, I wish I didn't.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: I wish I was like that. It's like you do
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: anything every day for the amount of time that I
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: do it. It's like, you're going to become, if you
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: spend every, you see these people with lions and you
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: see them wrestling the lions, you.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Know, at the sanctuaries, not the circus bullshit.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: But you see these guys at the sanctuaries wrestling lions
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: and hyenas and they're playing hide and seek. It's not
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: different than what I do with dogs. It's like these
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: guys live with the lions. They sleep with the lions.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: They eat with the lions. They are, the lion looks
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: at them as they are a lion. They don't look
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: at them as, this is a lion. The dogs view
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: me as the pack leader, a dog. You know, we
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: can communicate without communicating. All, 90% of dogs will communicate non-verbally.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: So you learn that language. You learn what they're feeling
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: before they have to express it. And it's just this connection,
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: this energetic.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Connection, you know?
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Have there any, any time been, I mean, cause I
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: know even with people and their personality, sometimes you get
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: a bad egg or you're, you know, you, you think
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: one thing about someone and they're either really mentally ill
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: in a different way, right? Has there ever been a
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: dog that's come in that you haven't been able to
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: rehabilitate that you've had to send elsewhere or that you
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: have to keep away from the pack and cannot introduce
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: them at all and they live somewhere else?
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: I've had dogs where I'll bring them into the pack
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: and everything is great. And it was going really well.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: And sorry, my parrot.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Is here behind me.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I see, it's so cute.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: And everything was great.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: And then once they got comfortable in the pack, they said,
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: you know, I think I want to be the pack leader.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: And the pack isn't okay with that. The pack doesn't
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: want that. So I will then.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Have to spend a lot more time next to that dog.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: Right like really close to that dog you see me
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: when i'm out i never use a leash and things
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: like that i will start leashing that dog and that's
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: my way of saying you're not you're not the pack
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: leader right and then of course eventually they will they
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: will it goes away so dogs just like children will
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: always test you they'll always see what they can get
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: away with eventually they'll try new things and sometimes you
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: just bring them back to day one right But never
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: from the beginning, right off the bat, has there been like, oh,
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: this isn't going to.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Work out, you know? Right. Never.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Animal rescue is such a difficult job, business. Has there
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: ever been a time that you have wanted to quit
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: since you started on this mission?
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not joking. Like every few days.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I consider it every few days.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: And what keeps you going or not, you know, not
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: stepping out of the game?
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: I'm being, cause it's a selfish thought. So if I
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: do that, everything, all the pain, all the tears, all
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: the loss, the death, all the tragedy, the trauma, all
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: the successes, even all of it was, was bullshit.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: If I do that, it all became a selfish.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Cause I've never, no one ever quits because no one
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: quits basketball or any sport.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Cause it's too hard for a teammate, you know? It's
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: because of them.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: And if I quit, it's because of how I feel
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: or something happening to me. And it's a selfish, it's
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: okay to be self. It's okay to have selfish thoughts.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: It's different for the action, right? You can't control your thoughts.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: You can control your action. I often want to quit,
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: you know, for what I do at this level. It's
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: not the dogs. It's the people that make it really
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: tough for me, Rachel, you know, going back to like
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: feeling misunderstood and, I'll post something and people like completely,
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: you know, didn't understand what I was trying to say.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Like you have to almost try to be perfect, which,
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: you know, you're, you, I, if I keep the animals,
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: people say you're hoarding dogs. If I get the animals adopted,
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: they call me a piece of shit for showing the
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: dog a sanctuary, then adopting it out. You can't make
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: everybody happy. There's a lot of pressure, you know, um,
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: And I was.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Going to ask you about it because you must get
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: so many emails, calls, whatever it is about you have
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: to take this animal.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: And there's only so many.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: No exaggeration.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: Between 200 to 300 a day. 200 to 300 per day.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: And you know what some of them say, Rachel? If
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: you don't take this dog, I'm going to euthanize it. it.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: That's about 10 to 15 a day.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Pathetic people, you know, I'm tired of it. Like, I
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: don't want us, I don't want the emails.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: I don't want the negativity. Like you think you get
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: to a certain place where you don't have to deal
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: with it.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: And you know, I just didn't structure my life that way, unfortunately. Yeah.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do people help you?
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: You look like you're doing it all alone from watching
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: your Instagram. It looks like just you. I mean, there's
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: got to be other help there.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: I have help Monday through Friday from seven to three.
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: That doesn't seem like a lot. How are you doing
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: it all on your own? I mean, I have two dogs,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: and it makes me a mess. It's like, you know,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how to get them to
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: be doing things so they're not bored. I mean, I
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: know you have this amazing property to walk them all
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: over the place.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah. Entertaining the dogs isn't the hard part.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, look, like, you know, I have a system down,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: but it's not a– I think I do a bad
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: job sometimes because I make, I think I make it
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: look very easy on social media.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: I don't really know how to make it look difficult.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not one that films something difficult.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't know, do I, do people want to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: see me picking up six piles of dog shit in
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: my living room?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know what people, you know what I mean?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, a lot of my stuff
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: is washing the dogs, cleaning up the dogs, feeding the dogs.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: And it's like, it's tough, you know?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: And I'm now, I'm at this stage now So look,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: not too long ago, Rachel, whenever I left the responsibilities
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: to someone else, something.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Would go wrong. Right.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: I totally understand that.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: And it really hurt me, like really hurt me because
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: it made me feel, A, guilty for giving someone else
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: the responsibility and B, that I will never have freedom.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: So I am now in the process of, of accepting
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: whatever happens.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: If something goes wrong, I know it's on me and I.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: Have to be willing to whether clean up the mess
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: literally or grieve, God forbid. And then I have to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: make an announcement, you know, to what, 3 million people
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: on Facebook and a million on Instagram and all these
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: other people.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: It's like, I have to have the weight and the judgment,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: but you know what? Like you have to let go.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: You at the end of the day you realize you
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: can't I realize like I cannot sustain if I do
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: this myself long term I look in the mirror and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: I say like I don't recognize the face like I
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: have pictures of like collages on my walls of when
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: I started the Asher house with certain dogs that had
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: passed away and it's like man you would think that
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: was 20 years ago you know it's just a couple
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: years ago three years ago So I know that I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: need to, I need to, um, you know, have some higher, yeah,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: hire more people and trust people to do this for me.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: And that's the stage of my life now is not
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: just from seven to three, but you know, I don't
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: have any help on the weekends.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: It's just me.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to start, uh, working, you know, I'm
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: not starting, I've already started working on myself to, let
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: go of more and more responsibilities and start focusing on
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: myself more.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: I think, you know how we talked about next chapters?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: This next chapter for me is focusing on Lee Asher,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: not more than, but just as much as focusing on.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: The Asher House.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:02:58
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