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DIDDY AKA “THE BARON OF BABY OIL” FUMES DURING STATE’S CLOSING · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are live at the courthouse, Vegas.
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Speaker 1: Odds even Shawn Combs will spend no time behind bars,
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Speaker 1: and Shawn Combs will spend life behind bars. But guess what,
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Speaker 1: I don't care what the book you say. It's all
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Speaker 1: down to twelve gurrars. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. We are headed into a verdict.
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Speaker 2: Watch out the Blue, the defensive we rest our case.
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Speaker 1: This isn't even a trial of did did he do it?
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Speaker 1: It's just a trial of will he be held accountable.
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Speaker 3: He's selling his freedom as if it is a fragrance.
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Speaker 3: He is out there promoting it, and I predict and
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Speaker 3: I'm seeing.
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Speaker 1: Let's go straight to the courthouse. Standing by is Tisa Tale,
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Speaker 1: star of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. It's my understanding that early early this morning,
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Speaker 1: leading into closing statements, Shawn com looked like he was
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Speaker 1: quote walking on air. What the courtroom was shocked.
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Speaker 4: This man came floating in on air, twinkle toes, just
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Speaker 4: dancing in two.
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Speaker 5: We have never seen this man in a better mood.
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Speaker 4: Everything that's happened the attempted charges that have been dropped
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Speaker 4: from the jury verdict. They have him in the best
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Speaker 4: of spirits. This is a man that thinks he's going
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Speaker 4: to walk away. This is a man that thinks his
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Speaker 4: twenty million dollars law team did their job. This is
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Speaker 4: a man that thinks he has avoided.
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Speaker 1: Justice tasted tails. Tell me what else happened in the
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Speaker 1: courtroom today.
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Speaker 4: What happened in court today literally shocked to everyone. The
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Speaker 4: prosecution came in strong. They made a clear, concise case.
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Speaker 4: Did he who seem to be walking on air walking
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Speaker 4: in You saw his body language slump?
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Speaker 1: They made such an excellent case.
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Speaker 4: To actually map out and hold our hands like we
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Speaker 4: were three year olds that needed help across the street.
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Speaker 4: What the Colms enterprise was, how he commanded and controlled
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Speaker 4: everything and everybody, and how they were nothing but an
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Speaker 4: apparatus made to fulfill every sexual deviant desire he had.
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Speaker 1: It really came together today in court. At the beginning
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Speaker 1: they refer to Sean Combe's well as Slavic. Slavik refers
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Speaker 1: to Shawn Combs as the head of a criminal enterprise
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Speaker 1: and someone who quote doesn't take no for an answer,
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Speaker 1: describe what she was telling the jury and how the
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Speaker 1: jury responded. That's what Slavic said straight out of the gate.
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Speaker 4: She said, he doesn't take no for an answer, and
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Speaker 4: he wants what he wants. Once she said that, she
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Speaker 4: went into a list of all the predicate crimes. She said, kidnapping, arson,
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Speaker 4: forced labor, was sexual assault, brivery, sex trapping, sex trafficking
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Speaker 4: that was forced and manipulated these women. And when that happened,
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Speaker 4: she went in like a battling ramp and the jury
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Speaker 4: was up. The jury was taking attention. They had their
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Speaker 4: built pats out, they were leaned in, they were so
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Speaker 4: locked in. The prosecution woke the jury up and they
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Speaker 4: couldn't get enough taste of tales.
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Speaker 1: Slavic did something I think was brilliant. She almost immediately
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Speaker 1: took the jury to two of the most violent attacks
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Speaker 1: on women in order to force them to perform sexually.
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Speaker 1: Of course, one has to be a Cassie Ventura's attack
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Speaker 1: at the Intercontinental Hotel. That's the single strongest one because
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Speaker 1: there's video evidence. You don't have to just take her
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Speaker 1: word for it. You can see it on the close
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Speaker 1: circuit TV there at the Intercontinental. But she also took
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Speaker 1: to the jury to the moment that Jane not her
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Speaker 1: real name, was brutally attacked and covered in welts all
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Speaker 1: over her body, abating by Sean Combs, after which he
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Speaker 1: told her to get back in the ring and perform
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Speaker 1: oral sex on a male escort despite her protests. What
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Speaker 1: did she say exactly and how did the jury respond?
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Speaker 1: What were they doing?
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Speaker 4: She showed a screenshot at the moment we saw Cassie
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Speaker 4: be brutally beat and she said, I want to take
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Speaker 4: you to two moments eight years apart, but with the
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Speaker 4: same pattern, done by the same man.
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Speaker 1: The jury was leaned in.
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Speaker 4: They described how Cassie was brutally beaten and stumped. She
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Speaker 4: used the word stump, and then they tied it in
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Speaker 4: with Jane.
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Speaker 1: Now, of course they didn't.
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Speaker 4: Let us see the pictures of Jane, but they put
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Speaker 4: those beaten pictures.
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Speaker 1: Of Jane on their screens, and.
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Speaker 4: They showed us a screenshot of Jane's testimony where they
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Speaker 4: had her saying I was beaten, I was dragged, I
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Speaker 4: was kid It was an incredibly powerful moment.
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Speaker 1: Taste of tails. How is Sean Colmes reacting to this?
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Speaker 1: What does he say as the prosecutor is regurgitating all
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Speaker 1: of these horrific facts about him, and he's sitting right there.
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Speaker 4: I honestly think that the jury's reaction showed us the
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Speaker 4: clearest thing of how well the prosecution was going. When
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Speaker 4: she first started talking, he almost had a smug look
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Speaker 4: on his face.
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Speaker 1: There was still a faint smile.
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Speaker 4: He was looking over in the prosecutor's direction, in the
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Speaker 4: jury's direction.
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Speaker 1: Looking like he did not care.
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Speaker 4: However, once they put a screenshot of Cassie's bat beating
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Speaker 4: one and.
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Speaker 1: She went through, boom boom, boom.
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Speaker 4: Rapid fire of everything he's being charged with, leaving no doubt,
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Speaker 4: he all of a sudden just looked straight.
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Speaker 1: He looked down. Then I believe he got nudgs.
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Speaker 5: He looks Jrad again, and after that he rarely looked
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Speaker 5: at the.
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Speaker 1: Jury the whole time.
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Speaker 4: But what do you do when somebody is literally outlining
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Speaker 4: how you are the devil incarnate?
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Speaker 1: You know another thing that Christy Slavic did that I
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Speaker 1: thought was also brilliant. I hate when lawyers simply vomit
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Speaker 1: up the letter of the law and use Latin phrases
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Speaker 1: that nobody knows what they're talking about unless you went
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Speaker 1: to Harvard law school. For Pete's sake. She really broke
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Speaker 1: down what Rico means a conspiracy, and I'm going to
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Speaker 1: quote what she said. The concept is simple. When someone
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Speaker 1: commits a crime as part of a group, the law
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Speaker 1: calls it an enterprise, and that makes them Sean Combs
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Speaker 1: more powerful and dangerous. You know, over and over Tisa tales,
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Speaker 1: we heard the same thread going through all of the
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Speaker 1: victim's testimony. When Cassie Ventura was being beaten, she looked
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Speaker 1: up at all of Coms's minions is said, can't you
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Speaker 1: see what's happening? And they tacitly, nonverbally condoned what Combes
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Speaker 1: was doing. That's the enterprise, those people that enabled Combs.
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Speaker 1: Tell me how the jury responded. What did she say
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Speaker 1: and how did they react?
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Speaker 5: That was an incredibly powerful moment.
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Speaker 4: Okay, Slavic said, he's already a rich and powerful man,
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Speaker 4: and the enterprise made him more powerful and more dangerous.
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Speaker 4: When they heard that, you saw a few jurors uncross
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Speaker 4: their legs and leaned forward. They were dialed in again.
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Speaker 4: It's almost like the prosecution at taking their kid gloves off,
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Speaker 4: and they were leaving the jurors with no doubt.
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Speaker 1: You don't need to connect the dots.
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Speaker 4: We are going to rawl the dots, connect them for you,
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Speaker 4: and then walk you over to see where everything is.
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Speaker 5: Again, a lot of shifting, a lot of rubbing the faces.
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Speaker 4: A lot of leaning in, taking furious notes, looking closely
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Speaker 4: at what was being shown on their monitors.
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Speaker 5: They had the jury with their closings.
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Speaker 1: Another important cord this Slavic struck during her closing argument,
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Speaker 1: which commenced early this morning, is that Sean Combs has
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Speaker 1: been clothed in respectability, in celebrity, in billions of dollars
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Speaker 1: and everything that can buy. The private jet, the mansions
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Speaker 1: all over the world, the designer closed, the fancy restaurants,
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Speaker 1: people at his beck and call. But she pointed out
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Speaker 1: that for all the fame, wealth, power and privilege, he
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Speaker 1: is not above the law and he's not Remember that
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Speaker 1: quote Tisa TLS where one minion says to the other,
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Speaker 1: pointing up to a picture of Combs, this is his
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Speaker 1: kingdom and we're just living in it. Explain to Nay
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Speaker 1: how the jury responded to her argument.
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Speaker 4: His enterprise, and the way she said the word enterprise
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Speaker 4: that was dripping with disdain. Their only goal was promoting
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Speaker 4: and protecting and fulfilling every sexual desire that he had. Okay,
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Speaker 4: they enabled him to commit crimes. When she said that
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Speaker 4: the jury furiously taking notes. They even looked over at
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Speaker 4: Seancolm's side, not directly at home, but at the side
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Speaker 4: where all his loyal supporters and family were sitting and
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Speaker 4: protecting him from law enforcement. When they said that, a
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Speaker 4: few juror's brows actually furied. It's almost like they were
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Speaker 4: cutting through all of the bs from the last four
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Speaker 4: weeks cross examinations and.
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Speaker 5: Cutting through to what the heart of this case was.
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Speaker 1: And it became clear to everyone.
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Speaker 4: I think even Sean Diddycombs that he is not going
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Speaker 4: to beat.
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Speaker 1: This Tasta tales. What exactly did Slavic say about Shawn
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Speaker 1: Combs's wealth, fame, and privilege.
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Speaker 5: What she talked about was in a fan swoop. She
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Speaker 5: did an amazing job of explaining away.
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Speaker 4: The reason why some of these assistants that got immunity
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Speaker 4: were sitting there.
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Speaker 1: Saying, I think Sean Colmes is a great man. He
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Speaker 1: taught me so much.
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Speaker 4: Because she called the menias foot soldiers, young naive kids
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Speaker 4: that were willing to do anything to be part of
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Speaker 4: the organization.
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Speaker 6: But she pointed out Brendan Paul got paid one hundred
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Speaker 6: k to do these illegal things from and Christine Cornim
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Speaker 6: KK she got paid six months, six times as much.
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Speaker 5: I said, wow o KAK got paid over a half
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Speaker 5: a million dollars.
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Speaker 4: But also in that moment, they firmly put the onus
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Speaker 4: on Diddy KK and his security staff, and they actually
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Speaker 4: said that even though they said that, even though the
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Speaker 4: names may have changed, the poor group stayed the same,
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Speaker 4: and they were the enterprise and everybody else no matter
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Speaker 4: what they said, whether they knew willingly or not, were
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Speaker 4: nothing but minions and foot soldiers that carried out all
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Speaker 4: of his desires.
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Speaker 1: Standing by outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, Tisa Tels closing
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Speaker 1: arguments for the state commenced this morning. And the fallout
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Speaker 1: has been spectacular, Tisa Tels. I found it very interesting,
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Speaker 1: and this is important that Slovak kept referring to Shawn
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Speaker 1: Combs's employees, as I say, his minions, because not all
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Speaker 1: of them were his employees. Some were just starstruck and
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Speaker 1: willing to do whatever he wanted. But she described them
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Speaker 1: as foot soldiers, and you know, you got to be
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Speaker 1: a foot soldier to do what they did, some of
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Speaker 1: them going into hotel rooms after free coughs and cleaning
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Speaker 1: up the bodily fluids. You know, that's a nice way
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Speaker 1: of sperm, sweat, blood, urine faces, dope, food, alcohol. I
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Speaker 1: mean it was rank. The hotels that we have talked about,
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Speaker 1: as we've talked about many times, would charge up to
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Speaker 1: forty seven thousand dollars to clean a room after a
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Speaker 1: free cough. That would be a minion that would do that, right,
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Speaker 1: And she talked about that enclosing arguments, didn't she tisa.
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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, now that was a brilliant visual display. She
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Speaker 4: referred to the security as Lieutenant. She named them all
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Speaker 4: Fahim de Rock Uncle PAULI Rooves said that they were
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Speaker 4: armed and ready. Okay, they said, remember David James, remember
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Speaker 4: how he said he was taken at gunpoint down the
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Speaker 4: golf front confront shig night Well, guns.
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Speaker 1: Flying down the hill.
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Speaker 5: It was an amazing, amazing image to just say that, no,
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Speaker 5: this was a real criminal organization.
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Speaker 1: But they didn't stop there.
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Speaker 4: They then show the pictures of the guns and the magazines,
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Speaker 4: saying there were two AR fifteens with serial numbers filed off.
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Speaker 1: There were rifles with serial numbers filed off.
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Speaker 4: And then they said, listen, this was an enterprise, and
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Speaker 4: KK and the security gave the orders, and then they
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Speaker 4: put up this visual of eleven of all his security people,
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Speaker 4: eleven men standing there looking a little bit unseemly. She said,
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Speaker 4: may to looking unseemly and saying they called the shots.
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Speaker 1: And then they went back to his workers. They said,
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Speaker 1: maybe he didn't know they were young.
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Speaker 5: Maybe the workers didn't know the flunkyes do minions.
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Speaker 4: Maybe they were young and naive, but they followed orders
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Speaker 4: and they were nothing but foot soldiers that followed KK
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Speaker 4: and security say again they put everything a focus and
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Speaker 4: a lot of people whispering it did he is convicted.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: If I was KK and anybody that was part of
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Speaker 4: his lieutenant security team, I would.
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Speaker 1: Be very, very worried.
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Speaker 5: Right now because the government has called you out.
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Speaker 1: Were alive at the Monahan Federal Courthouse where it's all
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Speaker 1: culminating today closing arguments in the Shawcome sex trafficking trial.
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Speaker 1: Now a lot of people, including the bookies, are betting
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Speaker 1: against the state, and that includes the community. It's my
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Speaker 1: understanding that there is a resurrection victory tour, a world
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Speaker 1: tour being planned for Sean comes.
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Speaker 4: What exactly If you were dumb enough to bet against
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Speaker 4: the house at any time, you get what you get. Listen,
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Speaker 4: the Southern District of New York did not come to play.
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Speaker 4: I've been in the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: They've done amazing.
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Speaker 4: But these idiots that want to buy a ticket to
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Speaker 4: a resurrection reunion tour, save it. Save it so you
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Speaker 4: can show your ground children how often you were and
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Speaker 4: against history. Again, there's a resurrection tour, there's a homecoming barbecue,
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Speaker 4: there's so much plan.
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Speaker 1: But again, these.
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Speaker 4: Might just be the delusions of a madman who really
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Speaker 4: thought he got away with everything.
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Speaker 1: Joining me. Joshua Ridder, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, or,
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Speaker 1: star off Courtroom Confidential on YouTube. Joshua Ridder. I never
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Speaker 1: count my chickens before they hatch. I go into every
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Speaker 1: closing argument as if I'm going to lose, and I
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Speaker 1: argue like h E double L. That's pretty bold to
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Speaker 1: be going in to closing statements as if you're gonna win.
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Speaker 7: Listen, you gotta have confidence, right. If you don't have confidence,
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Speaker 7: what else are you left with? I think you have
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Speaker 7: to at least applaud that there's you know, whether whether
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Speaker 7: or not the jury agrees with all of that is
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Speaker 7: to be seen, I suppose, But you're certainly not going
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Speaker 7: to limp into these closing arguments feeling like the case
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Speaker 7: has already.
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Speaker 1: Settled, okay, in addition to a so called victory resurrection
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Speaker 1: tour to Tasta tales joining us outside the courthouse, everybody,
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Speaker 1: those of you just joining us, closing arguments going down
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Speaker 1: throughout the day today in the show Him sex trafficking trial.
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Speaker 1: I understand there's a big July the fourth party planned,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about behind the walls of MBC.
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Speaker 4: Didny's team again, I don't know if they have smuggled
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Speaker 4: that man some Tucci into jail, but Didny's team has
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Speaker 4: been convinced that he is coming home.
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Speaker 5: They have convinced him that he is coming home, and that.
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Speaker 4: They have mounted such a strong case and poke holes
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Speaker 4: in the prosecution's case so much that it's not going
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Speaker 4: to be one, two, three, four, five days of deliberation
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Speaker 4: that by July fourth, this man will be home to
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Speaker 4: literally kiss babies and shake hands to his loyal followers
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Speaker 4: that prayed for him and bought him home again. It
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Speaker 4: defies logic that even if you sat to the summary
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Speaker 4: charts and they were long arduous day, that any jury
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Speaker 4: could get through this mountain evidence.
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Speaker 1: In time whether they decide not.
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Speaker 4: Guilty or guilty to have them home safely. But again,
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Speaker 4: time will tell. But Diddy, as he listened, there's a
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Speaker 4: lot of probably dead pigeons in Central Park, a lot
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Speaker 4: of alleged sacrifices going on.
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Speaker 1: We will see.
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Speaker 5: But right now, this is a man that swears he
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Speaker 5: is coming home.
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Speaker 8: Word is Shawn Combs isn't the only one who believes
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Speaker 8: he will walk free. Kanye West is apparently chomping at
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Speaker 8: the bit to have Combs join him on a resurrection
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Speaker 8: tour the second the trial is over. Combs and West
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Speaker 8: have shared several jailhouse phone calls, and insiders say his
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Speaker 8: short visit to court was to send a message of loyalty.
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Speaker 8: The rapper's plan has some serious flaws, including the possibility
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Speaker 8: Combs is convicted. Former Kanye fans are now signing petitions
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Speaker 8: to prevent him from performing, and Shawn Combs may never
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Speaker 8: be welcomed back into the public's good graces.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about closing arguments as they are going down
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Speaker 1: in the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Throughout today, Tasa tells who
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Speaker 1: is in charge of closing arguments for the defense.
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Speaker 4: Agnophilial is in charge of closing for the defense. He
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Speaker 4: has respected the ball, shucks, your honor. This is my
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Speaker 4: first day in federal court. However, it might be effective.
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Speaker 4: The male jurors around Mark's as seem to be very
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Speaker 4: recepted to him, and even when he's made his arguments
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Speaker 4: in court, they always respond very well.
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Speaker 5: I think it was very strategic looking at the way the.
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Speaker 4: Jury sees the reflection in Mark to a certain point,
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Speaker 4: It's going to be interesting to see how much actually
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Speaker 4: carries over. But for right now, Mark seems to be
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Speaker 4: their secret weapon.
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Speaker 1: Okay to Josh Ritter, joining US criminal defense attorney. It's
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Speaker 1: not like you can pass it off like in football
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Speaker 1: game you can just throw it to your favorite player
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Speaker 1: in the middle of a run. It doesn't work like that.
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Speaker 1: One attorney is in charge of closing statements. You can't
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Speaker 1: pass it off like one argues for an hour and
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Speaker 1: then the next argues for another hour. That's not how
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Speaker 1: it works. Only one lawyer from the defense team can
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Speaker 1: be chosen to give closing statements.
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Speaker 7: Explain no You're absolutely right, and it's not a surprise
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Speaker 7: that it's Agnifilo. He's the more experienced, he's the more
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Speaker 7: seasoned attorney. Listen did he has paid a lot of
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Speaker 7: money for this defense. He's not going to let the
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Speaker 7: most crucial moment in it fall into the hands of
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Speaker 7: less experienced attorneys. He's paid big money. He expects that
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Speaker 7: big name. He expects the partner the headline, the person
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Speaker 7: whose name appears at the top of the letterhead, to
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Speaker 7: be the person giving the closing arguments. And I think
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Speaker 7: Agnifigelow wouldn't have it any other way either. Here's the
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Speaker 7: moment to shine. This is bringing it home. If you're
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Speaker 7: the Diddy team, you feel like you're now just punching
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Speaker 7: it through the one yard line. That's going to be Agnifilo.
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Speaker 7: So you're absolutely right. One attorney, one chance, And I'm
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Speaker 7: not surprised that it.
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Speaker 1: Was him, you know, a very very surprised that Agnifilo
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Speaker 1: chose himself. He's the lead defense attorney, he's the one
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Speaker 1: to make this decision. Chose himself after his very disturbing
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Speaker 1: performance with our friend Harvey Levin regarding what else the
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Speaker 1: baby oil Listen, they call them freak offs.
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Speaker 9: But you know, back when I was a kid in
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Speaker 9: the late seventies, they were called threesomes.
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Speaker 7: If these are genuinely threesomes, how do you explain a
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Speaker 7: thousand bottles of baby oil?
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Speaker 9: I don't know where the number one thousand came.
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Speaker 7: The US attorney said it.
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Speaker 9: I can't imagine it's thousands. I mean, you know, and
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Speaker 9: I'm not really sure what the baby oil has to
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Speaker 9: do with anything.
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Speaker 7: They're essentially saying it's a lubricant for an orgy.
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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know what you need.
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Speaker 9: A thousand one bottle of baby oil goes a long way.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what you need to need a thousand for.
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Speaker 9: I mean, he has a big house. He buys in bulk,
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Speaker 9: you know. I think they have costcos in every place
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Speaker 9: where he has a home. I mean, have you sat
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Speaker 9: in the parking lot of a costco and see what
20:56
Speaker 9: people walk out of there with?
20:58
Speaker 7: Not a thousand bottles of baby oil?
20:59
Speaker 8: I don't think was a thousand.
21:00
Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was a let's
21:02
Speaker 1: just say it's a lot, okay, As he lost his mind,
21:05
Speaker 1: that's when our friend's over at TMZ Crime Stories with
21:15
Speaker 1: Nancy grace back to teas of tail standing out in
21:21
Speaker 1: front of the courthouse. Whoever knew that baby oil would
21:25
Speaker 1: be the centerpiece of both the defense and the state's case.
21:28
Speaker 1: But that's Agnifilio. He couldn't even hold up to softball
21:31
Speaker 1: questions from Harvey Levin on TMZ. So I'm gary curious
21:36
Speaker 1: why he didn't have Tenny, Tenny Gergos or Brian Steele
21:41
Speaker 1: do closings. It was such an interesting choice. But I
21:44
Speaker 1: gotta be honest with.
21:45
Speaker 4: You, I am salivating at seeing Mark Agnfilial do his
21:50
Speaker 4: baby oil defense. Everybody remembers that TMZ interview. He's sitting
21:55
Speaker 4: there across from Harvey. Harvey, I don't know why baby
21:58
Speaker 4: oil was here, his voice cracking, trying to act like
22:01
Speaker 4: it's the most normal thing in the world to have
22:04
Speaker 4: over eight over two thousand dollars in baby oil, assuming
22:08
Speaker 4: it's a dollar ninety nine a bottle in your home,
22:11
Speaker 4: and act like these are the normal, perfectly, perfectly rational
22:15
Speaker 4: and perfectly legal actions of an innocent man.
22:18
Speaker 1: Again, it's an interesting choice, it's an odd choice.
22:21
Speaker 4: But as somebody that is waiting for Diddy to get justice.
22:24
Speaker 1: I welcome this. Bravo. Mark Bravo.
22:27
Speaker 5: I hope he does another TMD level performance.
22:30
Speaker 10: Hey, I really don't know what's going on with you,
22:33
Speaker 10: but I just want to just give your heads up
22:35
Speaker 10: that I'm about to really disappear on you. You feel me,
22:38
Speaker 10: I'm not going to be playing these games with you
22:40
Speaker 10: at all at all. So I don't know. You think
22:43
Speaker 10: you silent treat me, treating me and you think I'm
22:47
Speaker 10: gonna be Nah, you have a rude awakening. You'll just
22:51
Speaker 10: have silence and ain't nobody threatening you? And I ain't
22:54
Speaker 10: even trying to go back and forth with no woman.
22:56
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying. I'm telling you, I ain't
22:58
Speaker 10: got no time for no games when my life is
23:00
Speaker 10: that right now, I don't have no time for no games,
23:02
Speaker 10: baby girl. Me and you can be mad, I can
23:05
Speaker 10: have a spat, we can have whatever. Then after that,
23:07
Speaker 10: you better get on your job. That's really that, That's
23:09
Speaker 10: that's all it is, because you got me on my job. Nah,
23:14
Speaker 10: it ain't gonna it ain't never gonna work like that
23:16
Speaker 10: over here. You know what I'm saying. I was trying
23:19
Speaker 10: to delete this message, but you have left me no choice.
23:23
Speaker 1: So how do you you?
23:24
Speaker 10: You you go in the direction of like moving on
23:27
Speaker 10: and ship like that, or you like just like have
23:30
Speaker 10: me just keep moving. Ain't no threat. I'm just being clear.
23:35
Speaker 10: I can't do this with you. Every time you get upset.
23:37
Speaker 1: Get on your job, Get on your job and get
23:42
Speaker 1: in there in the free cough and be videoed having
23:47
Speaker 1: sex with multiple male sex workers. Sewan comes, you can
23:51
Speaker 1: kiss my hard working rear end. How dare he tell
23:57
Speaker 1: this woman get on your job, you know, Lynn Shaw?
24:01
Speaker 1: It makes me so mad. I think I'll get you
24:04
Speaker 1: a nail in half. It brings tears in my eyes
24:08
Speaker 1: as well, because I have represented women as have you,
24:12
Speaker 1: that have been beaten and coerced and to up to
24:16
Speaker 1: twenty tricks a day, twenty thirty different sex partners a day,
24:21
Speaker 1: or they would be beaten, their money would be taken away,
24:24
Speaker 1: their driver's license, their cell phone, all sorts, all manners
24:29
Speaker 1: of coercion. I get the pimp Romeo tactic, but I
24:35
Speaker 1: don't know if the jury is going to get it
24:39
Speaker 1: explain it.
24:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nancy, that's the problem. The public as a whole
24:43
Speaker 2: don't really understand this pimp Romeo as well as the
24:47
Speaker 2: justice system. I'm convinced they don't even really totally understand it.
24:50
Speaker 2: But here's the thing it is. Let me break it
24:53
Speaker 2: down very simply. A vulnerable young woman girl thinks she
24:57
Speaker 2: has a new boyfriend.
24:57
Speaker 1: He showers her.
24:58
Speaker 2: With love and gifts, and it may be good for
25:01
Speaker 2: a day or two, or even a month or two,
25:03
Speaker 2: and then it turns into, oh you know.
25:05
Speaker 1: Baby, girl, you love me, you'll do this for me.
25:08
Speaker 2: I'm a little short on the rent, I need a
25:10
Speaker 2: car payment, I need a.
25:11
Speaker 1: New Gucci bill. If you'll love me, you'll do it
25:13
Speaker 1: just this once.
25:14
Speaker 2: This is what we hear a lot, and they do
25:15
Speaker 2: it the once because they think they're in this love
25:18
Speaker 2: relationship right and again, I want to remind everybody, mostly
25:21
Speaker 2: very vulnerable girls and women. Okay, fast forward. Then it
25:25
Speaker 2: becomes a little more hardcore and they're forced into full
25:29
Speaker 2: blown sex trafficking. This is sexual servitude. Everybody has to
25:34
Speaker 2: understand what the dirty ditty case and the public has
25:37
Speaker 2: to understand. And I'm praying that this jury, if they
25:39
Speaker 2: understand nothing about a pimp Romeo, they will keep thinking
25:43
Speaker 2: about that Cassie video of being knocked down drag barefoot
25:47
Speaker 2: running to the elevator. That will remain in their minds
25:50
Speaker 2: as well. As get on your job. That says to me,
25:53
Speaker 2: sex trafficking. So we have to do a better job
25:56
Speaker 2: as a society in educating the public to intervene and
25:59
Speaker 2: prevent any new victims, and to hold this dirty ditty
26:02
Speaker 2: once and for all accountable too. Some form of sex trafficking, sex,
26:08
Speaker 2: labor trafficking again, force fraud, coercion. I'm seeing it all
26:11
Speaker 2: over the place. He's guilty in my opinion.
26:14
Speaker 1: Well, it's exactly as you just said. I want you
26:16
Speaker 1: to take a listen to what Jane, not her real name, said,
26:20
Speaker 1: speaking of the pimp Romeo tactic of coercion. Listen.
26:25
Speaker 11: Jane agreed to have sex with Don, believing she was
26:28
Speaker 11: fulfilling a fantasy for her boyfriend and it would not
26:30
Speaker 11: be regular, but compares her first yes to opening Pandora's box.
26:35
Speaker 11: She could not close. Every meeting after involves sex with
26:38
Speaker 11: another man. Jane protested to hotel nights verbally and in writing,
26:43
Speaker 11: but each time Combs threatened to break up with her
26:46
Speaker 11: and withdraw his financial support.
26:48
Speaker 1: And even though Seawn comes correct me if I'm wrong.
26:50
Speaker 1: Sidney Summer, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter also on
26:53
Speaker 1: the trial, Shawn comes lawyers tried to pretend, Hey, they
27:00
Speaker 1: didn't know that these women repeatedly said, I don't want
27:04
Speaker 1: to do this, I don't want to do this, to
27:07
Speaker 1: the point where Cassie Venturia was actually dragged back physically
27:11
Speaker 1: to a freak off by a bodyguard. Is that not coercion?
27:16
Speaker 1: Have I lost my mind? But they tried to pretend
27:20
Speaker 1: that Colmes didn't know the women were unwilling. Sidney Sumner
27:27
Speaker 1: exactly what they.
27:28
Speaker 12: Argued in court, trying to finalize the instructions that the
27:33
Speaker 12: jury was here. They said that they have not proved
27:38
Speaker 12: that Combs had the men's raya for all of this
27:43
Speaker 12: to have been a crime. They said that the women
27:46
Speaker 12: never told Colmbs in person or in writing that they
27:50
Speaker 12: did not want to participate in these freak offs, and
27:53
Speaker 12: it's simply just not true. Nancy Jane said this multiple times.
27:58
Speaker 12: We saw in her own text multiple times that she
28:02
Speaker 12: frequently expressed that she did not want to participate. She
28:05
Speaker 12: did not want to do these things. She was upset
28:08
Speaker 12: about it. And Jane also.
28:10
Speaker 1: Had to testify to the fact.
28:12
Speaker 12: That other women particularly bothered her because she knew that
28:17
Speaker 12: Colmes was seeing other people, other women, and they were
28:21
Speaker 12: not hacking to do what she was asking to do
28:24
Speaker 12: to have time with her boyfriend. They weren't being locked
28:27
Speaker 12: in a hotel room for a week at a time,
28:29
Speaker 12: only she was, and she particularly felt that this was
28:34
Speaker 12: something she was constantly pushed to do against her will.
28:38
Speaker 12: And they signed a contract. Nancy, that's just insanity to me.
28:42
Speaker 12: They signed a love contract. Holmes obviously thought that he
28:47
Speaker 12: was paying James rent in exchange for her having sex
28:51
Speaker 12: with an escort anytime he wanted her to.
28:53
Speaker 3: I have seen nothing but Puff turn on the chom.
28:56
Speaker 3: That's why he had a career.
28:58
Speaker 1: She still thought he was running.
29:00
Speaker 3: Was charming, he was funny, he was witty. Puffy plays
29:03
Speaker 3: this game really well, and he's been playing it for
29:05
Speaker 3: a very long time.
29:07
Speaker 1: I think this might be the limit of his star power,
29:10
Speaker 1: and he's playing it right now in front of a jury.
29:12
Speaker 1: Throughout the day, we have been listening to closing arguments
29:15
Speaker 1: by the state. The defense closing arguments will commence Tomorrow morning.
29:20
Speaker 1: Repeat Friday morning, the defense closing arguments will begin. They
29:25
Speaker 1: project a four hour closing argument that will be followed
29:29
Speaker 1: by the judge's charges to the jury. What are charges?
29:33
Speaker 1: That is, when the judge literally reads and the judge
29:37
Speaker 1: must read it. One slip of the tongue. And I've
29:40
Speaker 1: had this happen to me. One slip of the tongue
29:42
Speaker 1: by the judge. If they add lib bad, that's reversible error.
29:51
Speaker 1: So the judge will literally be reading the law to
29:55
Speaker 1: the jury, the law by which they are to judge
29:58
Speaker 1: and decide this case. What is that?
30:00
Speaker 13: I mean?
30:00
Speaker 1: They will hear a charge about what is reasonable doubt?
30:03
Speaker 1: What is the burden of proof? What is a reasonable doubt?
30:08
Speaker 1: It is not proving the case to a mathematical certainty
30:11
Speaker 1: such as two and two equals four. It is a
30:13
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. And I don't mean a doubt like, hey,
30:16
Speaker 1: maybe little green men from Mars flew in and conducted
30:19
Speaker 1: the freak offs. Could that happen? Yes? Did it happen?
30:24
Speaker 1: Probably no, it probably did not happen. So all of
30:29
Speaker 1: these legal theories must be explained to the jury, and yes,
30:34
Speaker 1: they zone out during that. Imagine sitting in a warm
30:38
Speaker 1: courtroom while the judge literally reads about thirty pages of
30:42
Speaker 1: the law. It's really hard think about after you have
30:46
Speaker 1: lunch and you want to take a nap, but you can't.
30:49
Speaker 1: And then they're in the courtroom. Everything gets all warm
30:52
Speaker 1: and cozy. There's no distraction. The judge is droning on
30:56
Speaker 1: and on. Yeah, they're going to zone out. This is
30:59
Speaker 1: why I believe the jury charges are important, Sidney Sumner,
31:04
Speaker 1: I need you on this because the state got a
31:07
Speaker 1: very important charge during closing arguments. Both lawyers Magnifilo for
31:17
Speaker 1: the defense Slavic for the state, will say you will
31:21
Speaker 1: hear the judge state the law. On x yesterday, the
31:30
Speaker 1: state argued and got a charge that the sex Act
31:36
Speaker 1: did not have to be completed for coercion into sex
31:43
Speaker 1: to be shown. They are putting all their money back
31:47
Speaker 1: to Vegas Odds. Sidney Sumner on Cassie Ventura. And this
31:52
Speaker 1: is why I said in that video, if the state
31:57
Speaker 1: can prove that in that one video the Intercontinental Hotel
32:02
Speaker 1: beat down, in this one video, she was dragged back
32:08
Speaker 1: to a free cough, which we know she was because
32:13
Speaker 1: when security got there, there was another man there. He
32:16
Speaker 1: was a sex worker, and her testimony is that this
32:19
Speaker 1: was a free cough, right, and he didn't take the
32:21
Speaker 1: stand to rebut it. She was dragged back to the room.
32:26
Speaker 1: But at that time, Sydney, she got her bags and left,
32:31
Speaker 1: so the state got the charge. The jury is going
32:35
Speaker 1: to be told, Sydney that the sex act did not
32:39
Speaker 1: have to be completed. So, Sidney, what I'm trying to
32:43
Speaker 1: explain is that if the jury believes she was beaten
32:47
Speaker 1: and dragged back to a free cough, that shows coercion,
32:53
Speaker 1: and coercion shows sex trafficking. So if this one instance
33:01
Speaker 1: is proven, the state has met its burden. Bam explain
33:08
Speaker 1: the jury charge, Sidney Sumner that the state got yesterday.
33:13
Speaker 12: Well, Nancy, in addition to what you mentioned, they also
33:17
Speaker 12: got in that previous consent does not mean that a
33:23
Speaker 12: victim was not later trafficked. So I think both of
33:27
Speaker 12: those go hand in hand and are very important in
33:31
Speaker 12: showing that just because the actual sex act didn't happen,
33:36
Speaker 12: and just because they may have said yes to this
33:39
Speaker 12: the first time, doesn't mean that later on combs did
33:44
Speaker 12: not traffic them. And I think they really have met
33:48
Speaker 12: their burden of proof. Me And see, we've seen all
33:50
Speaker 12: of these text messages, all of these protests, all of
33:53
Speaker 12: these gentle rebuttals. So even before Casey was dragged back
33:59
Speaker 12: into this whole teleroom because Colm didn't want her to leave,
34:02
Speaker 12: this freak off She even mentioned, Hey, I have my
34:06
Speaker 12: movie premiere Monday. I don't really want to do this,
34:09
Speaker 12: and Combs went forward with it anyway. Cole's had an
34:13
Speaker 12: extreme level of control over Caffy's entire career, and he
34:17
Speaker 12: seemed to want to roll her under the bus and
34:21
Speaker 12: push her down and make sure that she wasn't being
34:24
Speaker 12: successful without him so that he could continue to leverage
34:28
Speaker 12: this control over her. She discussed having hundreds of unreleased songs.
34:33
Speaker 12: She called it busy work. Colin just kept her not
34:38
Speaker 12: enough that she thought that he would actually help her career,
34:42
Speaker 12: and that explained part of the reason that she was
34:44
Speaker 12: still with him ten years later.
34:53
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace What I Mean Now Special
34:59
Speaker 1: gues Joseph Jaqueline, former NYPD sergeant, author of the Cold
35:06
Speaker 1: Case Handbook and The Criminal Investigative Function, a guide for
35:11
Speaker 1: new investigators, and he is the star of a podcast,
35:15
Speaker 1: True Crime with the Serge. Thank you Joseph for being
35:20
Speaker 1: with us. You know what's interesting. Shawn Combs is planning
35:24
Speaker 1: his victory tour, as Kanye calls it his resurrection tour.
35:29
Speaker 1: The Family Shawn Comes. His family is preparing a post
35:34
Speaker 1: trial to be released date documentary of how he has
35:38
Speaker 1: suffered throughout this, Shawn, how Shawn Combs has suffered throughout this.
35:44
Speaker 1: There is a block party planned, There is a July
35:47
Speaker 1: fourth party planned for when Combs gets released. The bookies
35:52
Speaker 1: in Vegas are betting against the state. But you know what,
35:57
Speaker 1: I ain't giving up, Jackie. I'm not giving up because
36:03
Speaker 1: I believe the state has proven its case against a
36:07
Speaker 1: very very popular, a very very wealthy celebrity. And it
36:15
Speaker 1: tastes like a dirt sandwich to think he could get
36:19
Speaker 1: away with all the beatings, all the threats, the car bombings,
36:25
Speaker 1: the bribing, the extortion. It's almost more than I can take.
36:31
Speaker 1: Because you know what, Joseph, he's no different than a
36:35
Speaker 1: pimp at the corner of Broadway that beats a woman
36:40
Speaker 1: to go turn tricks. He's no different. Jackeloges, No, he's
36:44
Speaker 1: not Nancy.
36:45
Speaker 14: And I was always taught, you know, you don't put
36:47
Speaker 14: the cart before the horse, and I think that's exactly
36:50
Speaker 14: what's happening here. I mean, listen, I think that the
36:53
Speaker 14: prosecution has a very strong defense. And listen, I wouldn't
36:56
Speaker 14: bet against the federal government. They just don't walk into
36:59
Speaker 14: these and saying, you know anything, willy nilly. They usually
37:03
Speaker 14: have a very strong case.
37:05
Speaker 8: They have the.
37:06
Speaker 14: Full backing of them and they have videos, they have testimony,
37:10
Speaker 14: they have eyewitnesses, they have so many different aspects going
37:14
Speaker 14: for them. They've both circumstantial evidence, direct evidence, you name it,
37:19
Speaker 14: they have it. It's about the presentation, it's about what
37:21
Speaker 14: the jury is going to believe. Of course, in the
37:24
Speaker 14: long run, my only concern is that butting up against
37:27
Speaker 14: the July fourth weekend where court's going to be closed,
37:30
Speaker 14: So you know, you don't if they get it Monday,
37:33
Speaker 14: you're looking at maybe Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. I hope
37:35
Speaker 14: that they're not going to try to rush things to
37:37
Speaker 14: get it done before the holiday. That's always a concern.
37:40
Speaker 1: Siddy Summer. Before I throw this to doctor Bethany Marshall,
37:42
Speaker 1: could you please explain what we heard early early this
37:46
Speaker 1: morning when the lead defense attorney, Mark Magniffolo came in
37:50
Speaker 1: the court room and tested the mics. He sang copa cabana.
37:55
Speaker 12: Apparently he started out for a name Lozola to try
37:59
Speaker 12: and this mic. He shouldn't need it to give any
38:02
Speaker 12: of his statements today, but he may need to object,
38:06
Speaker 12: so I don't know if that is a sign if
38:09
Speaker 12: that means something that they're feeling extremely confident going into
38:13
Speaker 12: closing arguments. But that seems a pretty relaxed way to
38:17
Speaker 12: test that mic.
38:18
Speaker 1: You know what, doctor, Bethany, Even people here on my
38:21
Speaker 1: studio actually laughed just then. I have a completely different reaction.
38:28
Speaker 1: I want to cry because it's all just a big joke.
38:32
Speaker 1: It's just a big joke. And you know what, for
38:35
Speaker 1: all of you producers sitting here that actually laughed when
38:38
Speaker 1: you heard Agniffhelo tested the mic by singing her name
38:42
Speaker 1: was Lola, it's just a big joke to them because
38:46
Speaker 1: they have never been a sex assault victim. And I'm glad.
38:50
Speaker 1: I'm glad they haven't. They've never had to deal with
38:55
Speaker 1: one witness I had in the middle of her direct testimony.
39:02
Speaker 1: She couldn't take it, Bethany. She put her head down
39:07
Speaker 1: on on the desk in front of her at the
39:11
Speaker 1: witness stand by the mic and went into some kind
39:15
Speaker 1: of catatonic state. In my rape case, Okay, forget my case,
39:21
Speaker 1: forget what I was trying to do. What about her
39:23
Speaker 1: when she had to recount what happened. These people are
39:27
Speaker 1: never the same, Bethany. You know what, just wait a minute.
39:30
Speaker 1: The state is not allowed to do this, but I
39:32
Speaker 1: can do it because I'm not arguing to you a jury.
39:35
Speaker 1: Forget about yourself. Think about your daughter having sex time
39:43
Speaker 1: after time after time in one night for hours, sex
39:48
Speaker 1: marathons that go twenty four to thirty six hours with
39:51
Speaker 1: multiple sex workers that were hired specifically because they are
39:58
Speaker 1: quote well endowed by Sean comes with him standing by naked,
40:04
Speaker 1: masturbating and videoing this happening to your daughter. To your daughter.
40:12
Speaker 1: Oh nance, what a change, because nobody's laughing in the studio.
40:17
Speaker 1: Now it's not funny anymore, is it. You know that song?
40:20
Speaker 13: Her name is Lola. My first association was Lolita, who
40:24
Speaker 13: was a thirteen year old who was sexually abused, all right,
40:27
Speaker 13: and then Jeffrey Epstein's plane is the Lolita Express. I
40:32
Speaker 13: think on Mark Agniffilo's part is an unconscious reference to
40:36
Speaker 13: the fact that women deserve to be abused. That's the
40:39
Speaker 13: first thing I heard. I think it's disgusting, and I
40:42
Speaker 13: was thinking too, doesn't he have daughters, sisters, a mother.
40:46
Speaker 13: He wouldn't want them in that kind of a situation.
40:49
Speaker 13: I think the events actually is serving up the idea
40:53
Speaker 13: of force fraud and coercion on a silver platter. And
40:57
Speaker 13: what I mean by this the three stages of the.
41:00
Speaker 1: Pimp Romeo syndrome.
41:02
Speaker 13: The pimp pretends to be in love with the victim,
41:06
Speaker 13: love bombs all of that, then grooms and gets the
41:09
Speaker 13: victims trust. And in the third stage, the victim cannot
41:15
Speaker 13: break away, so they do go back and forth like Okay,
41:19
Speaker 13: I'll arrange you know, I'll call the sex workers for you.
41:22
Speaker 13: They are terrified and then they say no, thinking that
41:27
Speaker 13: Sean Deny Combs is actually listening to them. And when
41:30
Speaker 13: you say no so many times and the other person
41:33
Speaker 13: doesn't listen, you start to become brainwashed that you didn't
41:36
Speaker 13: say no at all. That's what Cassie said in her testimony.
41:40
Speaker 13: It wasn't only It wasn't until she looked back at
41:44
Speaker 13: her texts that she realized she had been saying no
41:48
Speaker 13: for years. She had dissociated from that. And one more thing, Nancy,
41:52
Speaker 13: This Mark Agniffolo singing the Lola Song reminds me of
41:58
Speaker 13: all the rich, well healthy, powerful men who went on
42:03
Speaker 13: the Lolita Express knowing exactly what they were going to do,
42:07
Speaker 13: getting that island, participating and thinking it was all one
42:11
Speaker 13: big party.
42:12
Speaker 1: It's not a party.
42:14
Speaker 13: Women and men are being abused.
42:17
Speaker 1: It's a tragedy. As we head to a verdict watch
42:21
Speaker 1: in the Seawan comb sex trafficking trial, we stopped to
42:25
Speaker 1: remember an American hero, Trooper mart Hudson, Maryland State PD,
42:30
Speaker 1: just twenty five, killed in the line of duty, served
42:34
Speaker 1: only one year. Leeve's behind a grieving fiance, a mother
42:40
Speaker 1: and stepfather. American hero Trooper Mart Hudson. Nancy Gray signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye for