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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed CO/Lieutenant (Part 3) (5/22/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to
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  the interview that was given by the COO slash lieutenant
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  to the OIG investigators. Question, Okay, let's go through. Let
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  me get it. Do you recall being investigated by the
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  agents in regard to the Jeffrey Epstein death. Answer not
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  being investigated, being interviewed? Question interviewed? Sorry? Answer yes. Question
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  in regards to Jeffrey Epstein's death. Answer yes in twenty
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  nineteen answer yes. Question Okay. What I have is a
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  summary of their interview with you. I'm going to read
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  it what it states. Answer okay. Question, Please let me
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  know if it's accurate and if there's any questions. Answer okay, yep. Question.
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  Redacted started working for the BOP in February twenty eleven
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  at Allenwood. Redacted transferred to MCC in October of twenty thirteen.
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  Is a senior officer a specialist, but also serves as
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  a lieutenant. This usually happens when Redacted is working overtime
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  and is in the capacity of her acting activities. Lieutenant
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  Redacted stated that in order to do around, an officer
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  has to physically go inside the area that's occupied by
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  the inmates. As an activity is Lieutenant redacted makes around
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  through the special housing unit and asks officers in the
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  shoe if things are good. She usually called numerous times
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  to the shoe for certain issues, like when an inmate
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  complains that he hasn't received something ie property. Redacted then
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  takes note of the issue and advises the captain. Answer,
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  I don't know about advising the captain. I mean, the
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  captain ain't there. So it's things that we handle at
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  that specific time. We can't wait for the captain. Question
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  So who would you advise? Answer me? Being a nine,
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  I would advise operations. And being that I'm a senior specialist,
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  sometimes I can take the initiative to di rectify the situation.
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  Question okay, on the date of August ninth, if there
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  wasn't any issue, who would have you advised? Answer redacted? Question.
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  As an activity as Lieutenant redacted see as a sampling
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  of tears at MCC during her shift. Answer a sampling
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  of tears, Oh, tiers, I'm sorry, sampling of tears question redacted.
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  Users are a PIV card at the computer terminal to
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  log rounds each unit at MCC has a different log. Answer.
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  Each unit at MCC has a different log I don't
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  understand what that means. Question. I guess what they're saying,
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  or they're probably trying to say, is that there's different units.
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  Do log their own counts and rounds? Question? Yeah, officers
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  have a responsibility. They have their own PIV card where
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  they log in their own log information. Yes. Question when
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  you do rounds as a lieutenant, do you keep track
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  of it the rounds that you do? Answer? We log them?
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  Question is it different for each unit? Answer? Oh, yes.
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  Question Okay, when we're talking about lieutenants doing counts and rounds,
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  are you talking about or rounds? I should say you're
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  typically talking about doing rounds with your staff as opposed
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  to with the inmates. Correct answer, Well, when you're making rounds,
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  it's for because I'm a person that works in the
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  correction system. I mean, staff well being is very important
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  to me. You know, of course we supervise inmates. But
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  if I'm walking on a unit and I need to
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  know where the staff member is. Once I get that
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  staff member and I get eyes on that staff member,
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  then we do whatever we need to do. Question. So
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  point being if I'm asking a lieutenant about conducting rounds,
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  and I'm asking a CEO about conducting rounds. For a lieutenant,
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  a round would pretty much be you're checking in with
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  Your round is with the CEOs and officers, whereas the
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  officer rounds or with the inmates. Answer no question, Oh
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  that's not answer no no, So Lieutenant, your staff and inmates.
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  Now officer rounds is just inmates. So like, for example,
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  we have to make rounds on outside patrol. There's no
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  inmates out there, but we still have to leave the building,
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  seep one officer and then walk around the building, make
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  sure nothing's being tappered with, and then come back inside.
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  So our rounds consists of finding security rounds as well.
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  You know, we're tugging on doors and making sure the
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  recreation is secured and stuff like that question. Redacted works
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  as an SOS Senior Officer Specialist during her normal shift,
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  which is usually the day watch eight am to four pm.
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  If Redacted works overtime, she acts as Activities lieutenant from
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  four pm to ten pm. Redacted has worked as a
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  corrections officer in the Shoe, usually in overtime and on
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  evening watch during her shifts in the shoe. Redacted has
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  responsibilities pertaining to the inmates, such as phone calls, showers,
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  and the library. The thirty minute rounds are recorded in
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  true scope and on paper logs. Redacted stated that she
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  has not worked with anyone who didn't do the rounds.
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  Redacted parted space in the ten am count on the weekends,
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  but during the week account is not done during her
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  regular shift of eight am to four pm. During the week,
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  Redacted leaves before the ten pm count is conducted. During
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  the count, all inmates have to be seen. The inmates
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  are counted by one officer, then another officer answer double
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  count question double count. If there are only two officers
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  working during the count, one officer will count the inmates,
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  and then the officer will switch and the other officer
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  will count the inmates. The officers are to only count
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  inmates that are physically in their unit. Answer, we count
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  inmates everywhere, like they may be inmates and food service working.
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  We have to still count them. They're considered outcount, but
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  we still have to count them, so we count anywhere.
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  Inmates are questions, the point being if there were people
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  in the shoe, but then one or two of them
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  we're outside the shoe at the moment, you still have
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  to account for them. Answer yes, question because they're on
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  your roster. Answer because they're in the building. Because they're
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  an inmate. They have to be counted for regardless. Question Okay,
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  and how do you do that? Do you still write
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  them down on the slip? Answer? Yeah, question just the
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  number total number? Answer? No, so we have she gets
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  cut off by the investigator. Or do you have to
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  note that they're out? Question? Yeah, so we have a
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  first we have to put them on the outcount, which
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  is so like say, for instance, we have one inmate
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  that's out to the law library. We will call control
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  and say, hey, we got an inmate out at the
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  law library. All right, put them out on the outcount
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  as law library, or put them on the outcount. So
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  when the officer counts, I've got one in law library.
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  So yeah, question how is it documented on the slip? Answer?
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  Still documented. Yeah, it's still documented on the acount slip.
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  It's still a part of the official count. Question And
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  is there a note made though that anyone was outside
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  of the unit? Answer no, question or just the total number?
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  Answer note there's not a note made, because we do
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  out counts as a very common thing. Question okay, answer
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  the outcount question. I want to show you a document.
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  It's a Bureau of Prisons count sheet and this is
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  dated August ninth. Can you just tell me what time
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  period that's for? Answer? Yeah, all right, so August ninth,
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  twenty nineteen. Tell you what I'm sorry? Question what count
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  was that for? Answer? This is the four pm count?
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  So this is the time that the count is cleared.
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  So when we clear accounts, that means that all these
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  areas called in their account, all the counts were good
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  and it's now clear, and now inmates can move again.
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  Question and is there account slip in there in the documents? Answer?
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  We have thirty days. We have something in the control
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  center that we call the three day file, and the
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  count slip that are usually in the corner or here
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  stabled to this package right here. Question it's a small box.
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  Keep going answer, a small little piece of paper. Yeah. Question,
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  keep flipping through it all the way to the back. Question. Now,
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  these are outcounts, outcounts, outcounts, outcounts. Yep, okay, yep. But
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  it's not like on a little white piece of paper.
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  They're little pieces of paper. Question if there was somebody
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  that was not in the unit, right, and that's the
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  count slip that they have to show. Would they just
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  write the number or how would they show You said
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  that you have to show it on the outcount right? Answer? Yeah,
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  question how would they show the outcount on that slip? Answer? So,
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  for example, let's use this is Southern Court. We have
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  inmates that go to court like during the day because
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  it's pre trial institution, so it says FNYS that Southern
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  District Court. So up here it'll say FNYS there's three
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  inmates from five South that are still out that are
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  not physically in the building. So we have to do
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  an outcount for them. Question and it's listed on the
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  count slip as fn YS answer. Yeah, so you've got
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  that's weird. Fn oh, I'm sorry fnys. Oh, there's one.
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  I'm looking at food service that's on my way to
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  discrepancy Oka FNYS one, there's one out, same room counted
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  and the count slip would fit right there. Question and
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  what does that state answer hold on? Let's see that
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  states that there's one inmate by the name of Clark
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  that's in Southern Court from eleven South unit. So this
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  is the century document that matches this document right here.
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  Question Okay, Well, here's the question that I have. If
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  an inmate happened to be moved to R and D
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  answer what time? Question? Let's just say during the four
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  pm count, right before the four peak if they moved
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  R and D. When the unit does it, it's count?
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  Do they record the inmate as being in R and
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  D or do they record it as still being in
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  the unit? Answer? They record the inmate being out of
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  the building. That's why it's an outcount. Question an outcount? Answer? Yeah. Question,
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  and how would they record that? It's just on the slip?
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  How do they say it? Answer? Oh, it's just be one.
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  It would just be the number like count one. If
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  I'm answering your question. Answer yeah, let's just go. I'm
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  going to show you. Question okay. Answer, this is the
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  ten PM count, okay for August nineteenth. Answer yep. Question
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  can you tell me how many people were in the
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  shoe for the ten pm count? Answer seventy three. Seventy
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  inmates were physically in special housing for the ten pm count.
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  Question is it seventy three inmates? Right? Answer? Yes. Question.
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  Now I'm going to show you twelve PM. I mean
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  twelve midnight. Sorry, I apologize. On August tenth at twelve midnight.
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  How many people are in the shoe? Answer seventy two?
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  Question seventy two answer yes, question how many people in
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  the ra? What's ra? By the way, now, if you
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  take a look at that slip for the count slip
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  for the shoe for that time period, can you tell
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  me what it says on the count slip? Answer? You're
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  talking about August tenth, right, question August tenth. That's the
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  count slip in the back. I know you didn't work this.
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  I know I'm just taking a look at it and
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  I want to get clarification. Answer. Now, you want me
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  to tell you which count slips which one question the shoe.
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  Answer the shoe one says yep, it says seventy three.
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  Question Does that match with the number the number? Answer?
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  It does not. It does not match. Question. So, let's
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  say if they had an inmate and R and D,
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  what's the procedure. Do they have to get eyes on
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  that inmate before they put that as part of the count. Answer? So,
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  if someone's in R and D could have been a
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  self surrender or usually one of the federal agencies will
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  drop off an inmate. That happens all the time. Internal
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  number two would not be pulled from their post and
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  told the post up an R and D to watch
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  the inmate because R and D is a secure area,
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  so a staff member has to be in there. There's
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  like no back and forth, like now you're pulled from
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  your post and you have to physically stay in R
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  and D to watch the inmate. So they'll do that sometimes.
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  I'm not saying that happen this time, but they'll do
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  something where we do, like the lieutenant will say, hey,
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  because it's so close to count and the inmate is
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  accounted for, what kind of like ghost count them ghost counting,
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  meaning the inmate is still physically accounted for, but we'll
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  just put it on the slit. Again, I'm not saying
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  that this happened here, but we have a lot of
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  inmate movement at count times. Sometimes we'll improvise with the documentation,
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  but never with accounting for inmates. Question Okay, I just
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  wanted to the point of clarification is to let's say,
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  if the count was done, account was wrong, what's the
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  next step If they identified the fact that whoever the
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  CEOs are, they counted the inmates and it happened to
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  be wrong. I'm not saying that happened here. Question If
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  it was wrong and the lieutenant whoever it was on
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  shift identified it as wrong, what's the next step? Answer? So,
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  when you call in one bad count, you have to
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  recount again, right, if you call in two bad counts,
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  the lieutenant authorizes a bed book count. That's we have
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  like a picture card with like a long book with
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  the inmates picture in it. Registration number is bet assignment.
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  We now have to recount the inmates over again, but
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  we're physically making sure that like you're Smith, you're Jones,
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  you're where you're supposed to be. So we do bed
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  book counts when we when we have bad counts. Questions, So,
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  one bad count, the CEO's in the unit have to
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  redo the count. Answer yeah, Question do the lieutenants have
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  to go into the unit to do the counts to assist? Answer? No?
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  All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here and
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  to the next episode dealing with the topic. We're gonna
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  pick up where we left off. All the information that
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