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The Fourth Wall - Fiction In Real Life · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've all grown up with fictional characters, heroes, monsters, cartoon characters, creatures that exist only inside books, movies, and our imaginations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what happens when someone claims they've seen one standing in front of them?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A comic book character walking down a London street, a superhero appearing outside a child's home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a figure that looks exactly like something from a movie, standing in the woods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Children describing encounters with characters they couldn't possibly have encountered in the real world, and then there are the writers themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The people who created these characters who claim they encountered their own creations face-to-face, is a coincidence, imagination, something paranormal, or could there be a strange relationship between the things we create, and the things that sometimes seem to step out of the story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to break the fourth wall today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody started the term breaking the fourth wall for some reason
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's essentially a storytelling technique where a character acknowledges as the audience looks at speech directly to the camera and shows awareness that they are, in fact, in a fictional story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: seen it happen time and time again some famous examples would be blazing saddles where they're all fighting and they kind of spills off the studio back lot and it crashes like into a real studio cafeteria kind of exposing the film production.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ferris Bueller's day off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ferris is always talking to the camera explaining his master plans for skipping school and shit like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: space balls where Mill Brooks fast the villains fast forward through a VHS of the tape of the actual movie to see where the heroes are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jim Halpert in the office was a constantly like looking at the camera, which I know is like a fake documentary, but it's almost like he's looking through the documentary crew at the audience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let everybody know that the white's being a fucking
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or the best examples probably Deadpool, Wade Wilson's constantly making a joke out of studio budgets and plot tropes and How far varies from the comic books and all sorts of shit like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's tons of examples that I could give in cinema and television That you all can discuss and argue about in the comments because that's engagement engagement's good
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[SPEAKER_00]: I reference these just to show you what a fourth wall is, basically like an imaginary barrier that separates our fictional realm from our reality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what if breaking that fourth wall isn't necessarily a writing technique?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if it's something beyond that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if the fourth wall when it's broken, it becomes a door?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And these fictional characters can bleed over into our reality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What kind of started me off on this journey?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of been fiddle in with it forever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what really started off was Kyle's experience when he was young with the pixelated eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which we refer to as a screen memory, but it got me thinking that a texture terrestrial can use glimpses of things we find comfort in his screen memories
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[SPEAKER_00]: then why wouldn't they also be able to use fictional characters that we're familiar with to do the same?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can kind of feel this out in the episodes we did about Santa Claus encounters, the Elf encounters, the Easter Bunny encounters, as well as the episode we did on the Grim Reaper, like seeing death, that would fall right into the same realm, because essentially these things that the people are seeing Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, they're all
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[SPEAKER_00]: And essentially imaginary creations that people have put into like they've they've created what we think of as Santa Claus red hat essentially what we think of as death cloak side whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: are beyond that, what if their thought forms, what if their tope is, what if their egregors, are they psychic projections?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though these characters exist in a fictional realm, there's a lot of realism that go into creating them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This led me down a path of finding examples of people seeing fictional characters in real life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These have been covered in YouTube channels like Beyond Creepy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's icebergs you can find on YouTube that have non-human entities that cover some examples of people encountering these.
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[SPEAKER_00]: characters, creatures, beings, whatever, however you want to say it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go to a lot on Strictler's Phantom and Monster's website, there's a lot over there where people have seen fictional characters and have recorded it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another great source that I kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: goes into great detail and gives a ton of examples of the phenomenon throughout history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once you start looking at it, there are countless examples throughout literature of characters, haunting the homes that they were created in, to sightings of characters that weren't created yet, but inspired their writers to create them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll start with one of the more famous ones kind of kick it off in 1985 DC writer Alan Moore introduced a character in swamp things issues number 37 the character was the anti hero John Constantine Hellblazer
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's portrayed as a working-class warlock, a cult detective, exorcist, and con man from Liverpool, who was stationed in London.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was later brought to life on the big screen in 2005's Constantine played by Keanu Reeves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: More was interviewed in 1993 by Wizard magazine, where he shared an experience he had that is cemented himself in the Constantine's legacy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the quote from more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One day, I was in Westminster in London.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was after we had introduced the character, and I was sitting in a sandwich bar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the sudden, up the stairs, came John Constantine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was wearing the trench coat, a shortcut, well, he looked, no, he didn't even look exactly like sting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked exactly like John Constantine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked at me, stared me straight in the eyes, smiled, nodded, almost conspiratorially, and then just walked off around the corner to the other part of the snack bar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sat there and thought, should I go around the corner to see if he's really there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or should I just eat my sandwich and leave?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I opted for the latter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was the safest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not making any claims to anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying that it happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a strange little story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also said years later that he saw Constantine again
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2001 snakes and ladders, he said Constantine stepped out of the dark to offer a bit of advice to more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a simple line that said, quote, I'll tell you the ultimate secret of magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any sea word can do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he walked back off into the darkness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, which sounds exactly like what Constantine would say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very Constantine-like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially, you know, being from Liverpool in the original.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's so interesting because a Constantine the movie is one of my favorites.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a good movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what makes it significantly weird,
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[SPEAKER_01]: this moment that we've talked about several times, where once in a while, I think people unknowingly tap into this greater existence, whatever it is, and it acknowledges
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still and dead fast on the idea that the phenomena from time to time acknowledges people accepts them in that moment and tips it's had because outside of unknown encounters, unknown contacts from this dude creating Constantine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What reason would the phenomena, contact him based off a comic book character?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What grand governmental conspiracy would tap into this guy creating a comic book character?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you could argue that somebody love the character so much, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
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[SPEAKER_01]: The story that could come from Constantine could actually translate to possibilities in reality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And therefore the phenomena is like, hey, you're on the right path, buddy, you're getting some things right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where my brain goes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In my journey of diving into this, I've thrown around the term Tulpa and Egregor prior to this and full transparency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, I did not know what the difference was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A Tulpa essentially is when one specific person puts all their thought energy into creating a being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Egregor is when a collective of people put their thought
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[SPEAKER_00]: be it consciously or subconsciously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So essentially, you could almost write this off that more created the top of John Constantine by creating the character of John Constantine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He put so much of his heart and soul and thought into it that it essentially created a real being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: more wasn't the only one that saw John Constantine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as more and more people wrote for the character more and more people started to see him in real life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jamie Delano was working on the character in Hellblazer in the late 80s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One day, Quote, Constantine came to life and started walking and talking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He actually watched the character pass by him in front of the British Museum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The two exchanged a glance of recognition and Constantine cocked his head and asked his cigarette and Delano's direction and then turned a corner out of sight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Delano said quote for a few minutes I considered following, but I thought better of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what the fuck was I gonna say and what trouble would I get into?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This tends to be like a constant ever since Moore's encounter with Constantine, that those who see him get a feeling that they're not supposed to interact with him, kind of just step back, let him do his shit, another writer in the 2000s, Brian Azurello, bumped into him at a bar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he decided to avoid him, didn't pursue him to do anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said the thing about John is, the last thing you'd want to be as his friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a few years after that, another writer, character by the name of Peter Milligan, spotted Constantine and a party.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This time he rushed after the character, only to see the de-advanished into thin air.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it almost goes beyond the idea that it's a
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[SPEAKER_00]: thoughts into it are also seeing him step off the paper, essentially.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, in my opinion, it could eliminate it being an agriculture as well, because it seems like only people, at least per the stories here, the only people witnessing them are the people that are working on him, which is true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't give the example, but later on, as you're reading,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fourth wall phantoms, Josh breaks it down into sections.
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[SPEAKER_00]: pretty well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it it starts off with people who are creating characters, working on characters, seeing them, but then it devolves into fans of the work also seeing them, which I didn't give the example in my episode, but actually Josh's editor before he started working on
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said he was there, had a suit on, his shoes were muddy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said everybody else working had like the super store or the super market uniform on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy didn't, he had a suit on, had a pin tie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said he had a lanyard that was tucked into his pocket almost intentionally as to not wanting to see his name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But she said, I made eye contact with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He made eye contact with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was almost like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: mutual agreement that we didn't want to acknowledge that we were seeing one another.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She said that's that's just weird too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that all of these encounters, which you did point out, but they all have this sense of non-ecknowledgement, even though they are acknowledging each other, because you had the accounts for people who were like, I wanted to follow him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what would I do, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have the one where it's like, you know, we looked at each other, but it was almost like we had a mutual agreement not to not to speak on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're constantly asking the cigarette at him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I still, I came my head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like this is a nod from the phenomena because there's been times in our exploration
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will at times legitimately feel like I'm connected to something greater than than we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's times where we're doing episodes and it's just like a normal every other day to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's almost like it's certain moments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I truly do feel like for whatever reason the phenomenon acknowledges from time to time when you get things right or you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Explore down an avenue maybe it's the right place at the right time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows who knows there could be so many possibilities is to lie It would head nod, but I just feel like it's head nod, especially with this constant team shit because they're just
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[SPEAKER_01]: Think about all the other characters because, you know, somebody could easily argue, well, there's so much put into this, and I'm gonna have to think about all the other characters across time that have been created and put infinitely more because you could argue their characters out there that have infinitely more thought for us and power placed behind it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could even go to the Greek mythology
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[SPEAKER_01]: or viking mythology, these beings that have been created have infinitely more into them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't have, which may be sure in Greek and viking, but at my point is, you could take the biggest Superman fucking Wolverines, Spider-Man, the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's so many that are bigger than John Constantine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's an infinite list that's bigger than John Constantine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't have massive reports of people being like, dude, I saw Clark Kent, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that more was working on swamp thing,
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is arguably, especially at the time, because I guess Constantine wasn't created.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Swamp thing would have been a bigger character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't in the Constantine really, I mean, really as far as like mainstream heroes go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's way at the bottom of the list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like most people probably wouldn't even know the fucking reference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They know who Thor is, they know who the Hulk is, but I guarantee they don't know John Constantine is outside of maybe of watching the movie was Keanu Reeves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting that you bring that up, that some of these characters are such
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, such secondary characters like minor characters that they're the ones that are pulled in because my next example that coaching gives is right on the money with what you brought up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the next example, Putin gives in his book is an interaction that Neil Gaiman had with one of his correct creations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to Gaiman, he had attended a Halloween party in Greenwich Village, Greenwich Village, sometime in the 1990s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A man approached him asking for a light off his cigarette.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gamin noticed that the man had two mouths, one on top of the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After taking a drag of the cigarette with the upper mouth, the man asked Gamin if he knew him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Taking a back, and almost certain this was some sort of excellent prosthetic mask, Gamin mentioned the costume's uncanny resemblance to one of his minor characters, a demon named Koranzon, who adorned two mouths.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The entity, the man, the character, whatever, stated, it's not a mask.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Corenza.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gamin was startled and made sure to mention that while the name wasn't his creation, the character most certainly was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In this interaction, the stranger in a rep to dim and said, you really don't understand any of this do you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He then asked Gamin, am I coming back?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Game and stammered about there might being a place in your future storylines to which the stranger agreed I'll be in that then yeah so I'm not forgotten before disappearing into the crowd he stated you won't mess me around on this will you thanks for the light and then he disappeared into the crowd that's fucked it's even more fucked than the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's so much in that right there, the fact that, I mean, obviously, the two mouths, very specific, very, very specific, it acknowledges that it's, it's the demon that he wrote about, but also the same time, it also acknowledges his thoughts of, that's got to be a mask, so it picks that out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it references the future about future writings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and then you think about that, you think about, okay, let's lean heavy into Tulpa and Egrador and this thought, this thought-based creation process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If this was real, if this was a very fluent thing, this could be achieved time and time
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[SPEAKER_01]: If that was a reality right because at the same time think about all the all the the fucked up stuff that could get created
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have Kithu running around destroying worlds and shit and the predator and all kinds of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it would be pure insanity, but I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, both so far, which I know it'll branch out, but so far, both of your examples have kind of leaned into this occultish demonic,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brown because John Constantine is totally played in that realm, you know, magic in the occult and heaven and hell and demons and angels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a, it's, I don't know, okay, because today, out, you know, outside of like in information, it's not like we're talking about
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[SPEAKER_01]: and getting, and having interactions with extra terrestrial's, this is just pure, for them, it's just pure coincidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're out and about, and then all of a sudden, they see a character that they create.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, the, I know a lot of people would probably lean toward Tulpa or the Egregor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But once again, there's so many more characters that would fit that description that should be in existence with sightings everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the idea of a slender man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because people start a report in slender man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is the phenomena?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are these situations so characters are specific then?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why it is only certain ones get created and certain ones don't is weird and he does refer I didn't go into the slender man thing in in this specifically but he does reference that as well because it started off as a creepy pasta and then as it gained more traction as more people were putting eyes on it more people put minds on it people started legitimately thinking that they were seeing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in real life, which led to the attempted murder of that one gal, who's that one teenager, who had the two other teenagers say that Slinterman told them to kill her, which takes it to a whole different level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, referring back to Horan's on,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that specific interaction makes me like it feels so much more like the implications feel so much more sinister to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Almost in that realm of a magnetic virus, you know, like whatever's taken the form of this character needs to have its name out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it confronted game in specifically and said, you're going to put me in there, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to keep
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[SPEAKER_00]: Creepy in itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And kind of gross.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, when it came real quick, when it came to the demon in this case and the Constantine character, I would wish the only way you'd be able to know is with communication with the creators themselves is how much how much of themselves that they put into these characters in the building
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it makes me think about the idea of manifesting your reality that people speak about not not in regards of like of character creation, but just manifesting your reality and I do I do genuine will believe I don't really understand the process behind it, but I do believe that
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[SPEAKER_01]: your core intent is something that plays a part in manifesting a reality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what I mean by that is like, it's different than being like, I, you know, God, I just, I want a million dollars, you know, just help me out, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think there are moments, I think we've all experienced it where there's something that means so much to you and you're so genuine about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: something inside you opens and you're just like if only this this and this or this is what I need you know you just you just put this extra layer of yourself into this manifesting reality thing and then it happens and I feel like most people have probably had that experience on a very small scale right so it makes me wonder how much of themselves they put into these two
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[SPEAKER_01]: because I don't know the story with the demon was the demon a massive part of his story or was it like this character that he's just like, wow, you know, this would be cool.
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[UNKNOWN]: This would be cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to create this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's a subtle backstory to him, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did, or was he also captivated?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did say that it was just a secondary demonic character that he wrote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in his sandman storyline, which I'm not familiar with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, me either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he did refer to it as, like, he was surprised that it was this character, because this specific character was so secondary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See, that's like why were the secondary demon take this form?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that would almost, you know, negate what I just said, it's, I don't know, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in a weird synchronicity that I'm not going fully off trail here, but I got to bring it up because it's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was because he said he borrowed the name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the name was out there somewhere before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was just googling images of the character Coran's on to see what he looked like with the two mouths.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can google image it right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the first images that pop up is crazy legs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I posted it in the discord.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what the fuck?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy that you said that because it also like when you started this segment before you actually said it I'm brain immediately went to it's almost like you in crazy legs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that fucking weird?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird because I'm not I'm not getting it all before you as soon as you open your mouth to start what you were just getting ready to say immediately when my brain goes it's almost like
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[SPEAKER_00]: I posted a screenshot of, I just typed it in, image search, corns on, and there he is, there he is, there he is, and I'm like, it's a so fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I digress, going back around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then again, Constantine wouldn't have, as far as I know, a real world link.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the secondary demon could make sense, if that name is truly affiliated with Crazy Lakes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that can be like an awakening where it's like, oh, yes, I have another doorway open into this world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, Constantine would be a wild card then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:40
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's so weird the way the phenomena works I just can't wrap my head around it and the more into this that I get the more questions I have which has kind of been the the underlying path that Hollis guy has taken the last eight years the more we know the less we know Yeah, essentially because every answer just leads to more questions but
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, there are other examples, other examples that he mentioned, and it kind of leans back to what Kyle was saying, where writers that were writing for Superman encountered him in taxi cabs in New York.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People did encounter Clark Kent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, there was one writer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't I didn't use the example, but he was trying to take a new direction and he ran into a what he thought was a cosplayer at a Comic Con.
35:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said it was the most to a tea suit that I'd ever that I'd ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, this man came up to me and
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[SPEAKER_00]: the route that I should take the character without without breaking character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Without me asking him the question started talking and that's the route we went with that specific arc and he's like I never would have went that route and it wouldn't have been successful if it wasn't for that man who I to me it was Superman came up out of nowhere and just started talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so one could almost understand the creator of a character, uh, or someone writing the character having specific connections with the character, almost like an emotional connection of a creator and it's creation, but then like Kyle had said earlier,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once you step out of that realm and you get fans essentially involved with it, it's almost like it creates a new aspect of whatever this phenomena is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Couging gives plenty of examples to think about in fourth-wall phantoms in 1982 in Washington State, a five-year-old girl report seeing a pair of red gloves pop up over a cinder block wall at her grandmother's home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As she's watching it, the rest of Spider-Man followed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The superhero reported they moved along the wall in a motion that she quotes was slithery and slow, like a snake, before approaching the back door of the grandmother's home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Spider-Man placed both of his hands on the glass and cocked his head to the side, while watching the crying girl call for her grandmother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When she arrived, she got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Would she write that that the image just gave me the he and jeepies It's fucked my demand yeah sucks You know that's disgusting When the greater the caught of fooling like a buckshot does face See if you can get that with your spiders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh fuck dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a ghost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That made me just that made me feel violated
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[SPEAKER_00]: sucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When the grandmother approached the door, she saw nothing of the mass superhero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But she did reveal years later that she had bought a spider-man costume for a disabled neighbor who wore it around everywhere before his death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two years before his grandmother or before his
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the little spin on that is like what could have been some sort of weird haunting essentially as opposed to a character stepping off the page or it's a it's all fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is and I think that's where we're falling short is that we're looking at it through a particular lens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to make it fit our narrative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When all reality, these cases, although extremely similar, they might all be extremely different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the way you describe Spider-Man sounds to me, sounds like it would be in my classification of a screen memory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The way that thing,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It eerily approaches the window, and then it cocks its head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That description of it cocking its head, a, creeps me the fuck out, b, reminds me, whether it's real or not, reminds me of that video that you have me watched of the alien that sticks its little fucking hands up to the window, you know what I'm talking about, kind of talk it's head a little bit as it's looking through the window.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it reminds me of, and I think like I said, although these cases
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[SPEAKER_01]: are parallel very much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they might all be planned by different set of rules.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the way the way the girl described it moving was almost like in my brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost mine like like it pops its hands up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it reveals the rest of itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it kind of slithers around and then it puts hands on the glass and cocks its head around like disgusting regardless
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 100% that thing's getting got August 17th, 2000 people the town of Corroso Italy reported saying a flying humanoid that they could only describe as Batman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Similar creature was seen in Houston, Texas in 1953 where the witnesses described a seven foot tall man, quote, a dorn in a dark tight fitting uniform with bat-like wings glowing as it appeared to witnesses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have all just linda Zimmerman recounts a case from 1992 in Chicago when a seven-foot tall humanoid creature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with devilish features and a tale was seen teleporting from tree to tree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds a lot like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My crawler.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Night crawler from the X-Men.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking cool though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was even more than that crawler.
41:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It gets better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was even reported to leave a streak of the signature flash of Colbalt blue when it was teleporting from tree to tree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See, Spider-Man's getting put down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nightcrawler, I'm gonna be stoked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How fucking cool is that?
41:41
[SPEAKER_01]: That is fucking cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also, that's what makes Nightcrawler, one, even weirder, is because that's exactly what Nightcrawler would do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, like the Spider-Man one is creepy as fuck, because it's not what Spider-Man would do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This night crawler case, or even the constant in case, even that you could argue the demon case with the two mouths, that's what those characters would do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have the same type of presentation as they do in their made up worlds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Spider-Man did not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, oh, I have this thought wise in the shower this morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost as if, like you said, it's different aspects of the phenomena.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like maybe we do have the ability to take our thoughts and create them into this physical world, but also could other aspects of the phenomena be it aliens
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take a character that we put a lot of time and love into and use that as as
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[SPEAKER_00]: catalyst against us in, you know, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And because, like, we've discussed with extreme memory, all it would take is for an advanced race to figure out how to manipulate the electrical impulses from our eyes to our brain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all it would take for them, which sounds far more plausible than something
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[SPEAKER_01]: altering actual reality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not that that's impossible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying that that one sounds, it's far more likely in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as we talked about off air, like Cooching gives examples that he's found in the paranormal world of how
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know people are going to make fun of me for keep using the term phenomena, but how the phenomena affects people individually.
43:55
[SPEAKER_00]: He talks about a UFO sighting where man and a woman are at Macon Island and they both see a UFO that they both witness a UFO, but when move on in, uh, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: talks to them individually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The man says that he sees what he witnessed was a bright orange, jellyfish like craft, angelating through the sky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they interviewed the woman, she said that she saw a classic Native American Thunderbird to complete looking at the same
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[SPEAKER_01]: instance in the sky seeing two completely different things there is another another example he gave of which in that case to me I'll be very clear in that case to me that is something that has the ability to affect your perception on reality yes because that's real world
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're looking at something, but each of you are seeing it differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, that suggests something fucked with your perception on reality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Both of you individually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't, in my opinion, it wasn't two things at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it wasn't a jellyfish and a thunderbird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes you wonder, it makes me wonder what it decides like who sees what, you know, because you also got like Fatima where people saw the Virgin Mary, people saw two sons, people saw UFO, some people didn't see shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's it's bizarre he gave it to make you want to know their their personality and their backgrounds you know that's was the lady more in touch with Native American background when she native herself that she research it's you know and then let's go on you can go down that forever same with the guy was he more into the ocean by the love of a boy
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to step out of like the UFO realm of the phenomena, he gives another example of a big foot sighting where another couple saw what they thought was a Sasquatch and when they were interviewed, the man saw seven foot tall Harry, ape like creature and the woman saw a gray round like smoke filled donut.
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[SPEAKER_00]: shit type shape, not a big foot, but that's what she saw at the same exact spot, the man spotted the big foot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He gives another example of a person who is who is steady looking at a Sasquatch, pulls out there camera takes a picture when they go to look at the picture of what should be a Sasquatch, there is just an orb of light with an orange flash through it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's almost like, like you said, it's like it's affecting the perception of each person individually.
46:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's an extremely logical explanation to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which makes it so hard to fucking pin down is to, what is what all the time?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it, I mean,
47:19
[SPEAKER_01]: almost like it would be an interdimensional being or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that it's an orange or it's an orb on camera, but it's a big foot to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the crazy thing is is they touch on that in disclosure day.
47:38
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're if you haven't seen a spoiler alert, but when they're when the two children are in the UFO,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The little girl is seeing just this big dearly and over her, the dear that she followed into the craft where the little boy looks at her and it's a gray alien lean and over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's almost like it affects your perception based on who you are personally then that's that's so manipulative and so fucked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because me and Kyle could be we could be out on a smoke break and a UFO land and Kyle literally sees an army of grace crawling out of this UFO and I see some fucking smurfs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is crazy that it's selective, it's also crazy to think that it, that only some of us might be vulnerable to perception changes in the idea from disclosure day that one could see and one can't see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be interesting, which I'm sure does happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that's a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then beyond that, it almost, beyond that, you don't know what's real, you know?
49:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what if the person seeing the big foot or the person seeing the gray is not seeing the true form of whatever that thing is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That could just be an implement of its creation that it's putting out there, which makes it even, like it's even further down the rabbit hole this.
49:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it would make me feel like if there was a single entity or entities or whatever that has the ability to change its, change your perception of what it is.
49:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll just say that all paranormal occurrences, UFO aliens, Bigfoot, Loch Nass, all of it is perpetrated by this, this phenomena, to me not that I'm leaning religious, because I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that would fall in lines of what I'm saying as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever's doing it is a code writer to reality, which is terrible, like they would have, like it would be the creator of everything, now I'm not saying God at all, but just imagine like these, here's our reality.
50:51
[SPEAKER_01]: and here's these beings that work here and have written the code for our reality.
50:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're just back here where we can't see them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then once in a while they're like, you know what, they're blue- blue- blue- blue?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go inside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And five of these guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a lot of stuff here?
51:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Creatures behind the curtain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's still, you know, for religious people listening that still leads room for God to be outside of all of that, you know, because in that assumption that there could very easily be us and then a layer here and then there's things behind that layer that are still fucking with us and then you keep stacking them layers as high as you want to go, you know.
51:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I got kind of off track a little bit with the paranormal stuff, but I felt like it was important to bring those few examples up that weren't necessarily fictional creatures or fictional creations to show that
51:49
[SPEAKER_00]: This thing does kind of exist outside of the fictional character room and it manipulates our perception.
51:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I like manipulates our perception better than manipulates our reality for some reason because the idea of them change in reality as we're experiencing it, not a fan of.
52:17
[SPEAKER_00]: That you're the writer of the comic book at that point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's exactly it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a that's a great way of describing it like you are a code writer To our reality.
52:26
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can literally just Be in here and and make my table turn into a fucking biscuit We got we got some pretty fun big problems
52:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But to bring it back around to fictional characters I got some more some more examples here This one came So it's a source that I got from a source, so I think we're gonna have a thought.
52:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know a biscuit thought yes Imagine
53:01
[SPEAKER_01]: because I said that to you, then I'm like, great, my wife's gonna come in here and yell at me for having a biscuit, just a stale biscuit on the ground.
53:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But imagine that, imagine, imagine if these things had the ability to come in, turn my desk into a biscuit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And just to fuck with me, allow me to remember that the biscuit was actually my desk, but everyone else,
53:28
[SPEAKER_01]: forgot about the desk and only knows that i have left a stale biscuit on the floor and now they're fucking pissed you'd be an asshole i would be an asshole
53:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it could probably do that.
53:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably.
53:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
53:46
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many writers.
53:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So many stuff.
53:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I can trade Mark in that.
53:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So suck it.
53:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Go writers.
53:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Good nerds.
53:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the source from a different source.
53:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So the original source came from a comment on the YouTube channel beyond creepy.
54:05
[SPEAKER_00]: but Lon Strickler's Phantom and Monsters pulled it for one of their articles and got it from there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the commenter's name was Charles said, my cousin and I had a strange encounter when we were nine years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were living in a rule place with deep fearsome forests.
54:24
[SPEAKER_00]: That's hard to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We often stole away when our relatives were working in the fields to play in the nearby forest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At one time we went deeper and deeper into the forest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got scared and turned around wanting to go back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At that moment, we saw something hiding down in a bush.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To this day, it still gives me shivers.
54:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I can only describe the thing, looking like, Danny DeVito when he played the Penguin in the Batman movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We both stood still.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Paul stood still, started to cry, and stood there for a half an hour without moving.
54:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Finally, we heard the screams of our parents and started to run like crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That thing must have been there behind the bush the whole time, because we didn't see no here any movement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, our parents didn't believe one single word, I to this day still can't explain what it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the most terrifying encounter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm torn.
55:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'd be excited or fucking terrified.
55:21
[SPEAKER_01]: because it's a day to veto was creepiest fuck as a person.
55:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, but it's also day to veto, it's pretty fucking cool because it's crazy.
55:31
[SPEAKER_00]: If it was me now, it'd be cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it was me when I was nine, terrified, terrified.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But still imagine seeing,
55:43
[SPEAKER_01]: stay in the video penguin lurking in the bush right now.
55:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Still kind of creepy.
55:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Very creepy.
55:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Still kind of creepy, dude.
55:51
[SPEAKER_01]: This is long so clear that same end.
55:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's long, ready, nasty, seriously.
55:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Slick hair.
56:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dude, he just fucking waddles out.
56:02
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a sharp ass teeth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's probably the worst one yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I beat fucking creepy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In October of 1989, a German experience or woke up in the middle of the night to find a black-shaped standing-by-is-bedside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wore a black suit, including something resembling the iconic mask of Darth Vader from the Star Wars series.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After being seen, the Sith Lord began to float and then faded away into nothingness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was not so bad as long as it disappeared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, another report from 2004 in Columbus, Georgia reported two friends They were out in the woods checking for reports of satinists I mean That's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What else do you do on a Thursday night?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean These two friends might have a little something else going on
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of cult of approaching the car as a set in the darkwoods of Georgia, something else did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they turn their headlights on to leave, they saw a strange creature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quote from the waist up, it literally looked like Yoda.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although this version of the Jedi stood as tall as a man, the creature remained in full view of the car for over five seconds before sprinting off into the woods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just something about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, you guys are out just randomly patrolling for Satanist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like if there was reports of Satanists doing Colty stuff in our area, we would probably go out there and investigate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's, that's because that's what we do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One other people do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When normal people are like, you know, we should do it tonight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for saying it's weird, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another comment from Beyond Creepy is I remember when I was about four years old in 1978 having an encounter very similar to this, seeing an alive cartoon character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never talked about it for fear being ridiculed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My mom put me in my bedroom to have an afternoon nap, and I can fully remember playing with what looked like Donald Duck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're probably laughing now and thinking how dumb it is, but I swear it really happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember one minute, minute, I was happily playing and the next minute being so absolutely terrified.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed to turn on me and start screaming and shouting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember banging and banging on the bedroom door.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Screaming for my mom to let me out because I couldn't reach the door handle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My mom had moved so that it was near the top of the door.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My mom had moved it so it was near the top of the door and unreachable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can honestly still remember how terrified I was because this was one of my earliest memories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never told anyone because who would believe that something looking like Donald Duck would be scaring me in my room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'd sound like a lunatic if I
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody else has to believe me, no, no, that would terrify me to see down duck in my fucking room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me 100% feel like that was some type of ET bullshit going on there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe maybe it was a weird ghost thing, I don't fucking know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Either way, rules apply down duck, waltles into my room, it's catching these fucking hands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck that duck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I ain't doing weird stuff like that man fuck that duck Guys, I think it's like a wise principle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't give all fuck about them ducks Guys got excuse me of fighting a cold caught up to me on that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that sucks Whenever you can't get that you're so clear like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a few more here, a lot of these are again from Beyond Creepy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one is the Muppets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had Muppets as a kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was five or six years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They all had musical instruments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was laying down and I looked up and they all looked at me and started playing their instruments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no noise, just movements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I ran out of my bedroom so fast, crying and scared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to see this, other people experiencing it gives me chills, holy shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was in 1985 suburbs of Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cross face gripler on, on every one of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On every one, on one at a time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's another one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Flying head butt off my bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Off the cross face gripler.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's another one that's Alice from Alice in Wonderland.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had several very similar experiences when I was a child, but one in particular was that of being accompanied by Alice from the Disney version of Alice in Wonderland.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never thought about it being any other entity at the time, it was my friend and we played a basically hung out all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I ate, I needed a reserve spot for her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When we traveled by car, I needed a reserve seat for her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the beginning, my parents saw it as standard child phases things, but this went on for a few months, I can remember them being angry with me for pretending.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as so many others, I turned away from whichever entity manifested as her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have never seen her manifest again in my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although I remember her vividly, she taught me things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We spoke about life, we painted pictures, and we played games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another clear memory I have of mine is playing with the night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that was named Macy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did not originate from any movie or series he just appeared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he told me many things that he was a Mason among other things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had no clue what that was back then as I was only seven or eight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe he just called himself that his name because it was pronounced may see and knowing may sins they loved a play on words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He taught me many things and told me that my future would be very different than that of my siblings, something that turned out to be very true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also made predictions for me which also turned out true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can vividly remember him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He appeared quite often when I played with my younger brother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My brother could not see him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he just assumed it was my imagination taking over in what we were playing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was speaking as one of the characters in the play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Similar things have happened throughout my life, although in my teenage years I scuffed it all off his childhood imagination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but then earn my early 20s things started manifesting again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As of now, I have frequent frequent interaction with entities, both in my dreams and in a waking state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do not disbelieve any of the people coming forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: From there, I don't like the faith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the fact that like it referred to the mason's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds other than that like the if if you're obviously referring to the free mason's outside of that that makes me feel very fade because it was playing with them is doing a little bit of fortune telling You know all that I just don't know if something about that felt very fake like to me
1:03:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And isn't it weird how we grow out of our imaginary friends?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Usually imaginary friends last from about three years old to about eight or nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they just kind of disappear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which thankfully, I don't ever remember having imaginary friend.
1:03:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a large imagination when I played with toys and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still have a huge imagination.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I've never had an imaginary friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm thankful that none of my kids did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember it, but my mom said that I had a friend named David or Jason or something and it lived in the static of the TV.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when it was static, I would just talk to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ever it used to have an imaginary friend, he called Jooker Bob.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he would tell me that Jooker Bob lived in a lake and he had blue skin and green hair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in my brain, I'm like, that's a dead body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a hundred percent dead body in the bottom of a like any like he would want me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll I'll like get in the car and I'll show you where he lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like look at that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are not going to find a dead body in a lake kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should have a hundred percent win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he would talk to him all the time and like this weird shit.
1:04:52
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got three more here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, there for some reason people have seen a lot of Sesame Street characters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, this really scares me because I had an experience like this when I was around three or four years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was at my great grandma's nursing home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still remember certain details of the home like the white doors and the metallic gold trim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in the hall and there was a door that was...
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[SPEAKER_00]: that was clear, that led off into a big field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was for people to take their dogs out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then I saw a big bird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His eyes were normal, but I remember feeling calm and invited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it had its arms out stretch like it was ready for a hug.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I started to the door, but my mom and realized I wasn't in the room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and seen that I was running toward the door.
1:05:39
[SPEAKER_00]: She came out and grabbed me in a hurry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember pointing at the door and yelling about it, but I'm pretty sure she couldn't see it because she barely remembered what I brought it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She thinks it was the spirit of a... not so friendly child guy who had died there, but I have no clue who that was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care who believes me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know what I seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it was real and I know that it wasn't friendly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sesame Street Count in the closet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never thought I'd hear another story about the Count of Sesame Street in my entire life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a similar experience when I was five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Though he wasn't telling me nice things as far as I remember.
1:06:15
[SPEAKER_00]: This was in the 80s and to this day, it's still the scariest moment of my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've literally never told a single person about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When people bring up Sesame Street, I always tell them I never watch it because I thought it was stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but the real reason was because of this incident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was about five with the count, he came out of my closet, and I don't remember too many details except for screaming and crying in the sheer terror of the encounter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not own any Sesame Street toys or any toys that even remotely look like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not getting into,
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[SPEAKER_00]: like the screen memory portion of what this could could be.
1:06:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's a whole section of the book that Kuchin points out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People that are linked to alien experiences and alien abductions that see fictional characters as it's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't even get into that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I might do a whole separate episode on that because Sesame Street is a big one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super heroes is a big one that people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One person was being abducted and as he was on the ship, Superman was there with him, which is fucking terrible.
1:07:33
[SPEAKER_00]: There's another.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Technically Superman is an alien.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's another one where he had Sesame Street, the count and him and his twin brothers sitting there and they're talking to the count and they're having a good time and all the sudden they hear their mother calling for him and she's getting closer to the door and the count starts to freak out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then as she he keeps looking at the door like don't let her in here don't let her in here and as she grabs the door the count turns into a gray alien oh god runs toward the closet turns into a blob syncs to the ground under the closet door disappears that's terrifying the worst but that's for another I would catch my own house on fire yeah yeah I don't know what's
1:08:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This last one is strange, strange ones, why I saved it for the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to tell my story, this was also from beyond creepy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a comment that was submitted or an encounter that was submitted to them.
1:08:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to tell my story from when I was a little girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was in the 1960s between 61 and 66.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Me and my little brother were growing up with my grandmother in which talk Kansas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was an albino and had Scarlet fever at birth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our room at two twin beds and his crib was in the middle of the beds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Being an albino, he was legally blind in the daytime and he could see better at night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we tended to stay awake all night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a walk-in closet in our room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at night, human-sized toys, a toy soldier with a drum, a raggedy and doll, and a giant teddy bear would come out of the closet and dance around his crib.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Back in those days, the houses had flowered wallpaper, and I remember staring at the wallpaper and counting the flowers, turning away from the dolls, and just trying to ignore it and go to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember them making any sounds, but it was just their presence that kept me awake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This went on every night for about two years until he became too hard to handle, and he was institutionalized.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The incident
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[SPEAKER_00]: is what cause me to be interested in the paranormal from a child to an adult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm 57 now and I believe that he manifested the dolls to keep him company.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen other things and people throughout my life, it tends to run on my family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thankfully, I haven't seen anything that really scares me.
1:10:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is an instance of essentially another person manifesting these fictional
1:10:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, they're being collateral damage for lack of a better term of her seeing it and experiencing it as well, which is kind of the opposite of the people who are experiencing the UFO, but seeing two different things, you have essentially two people seeing the same thing that one of the manifested, which is also kind of changes.
1:10:42
[SPEAKER_00]: If they, if they can affect your perception, why would they even let her see anything at all?
1:10:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.
1:10:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.
1:10:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.
1:10:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.
1:10:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of them topics that you can get really, really in deep with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, and I only made it through probably the first 100 pages of this book and like I said, I didn't even get into a lot of the encounters he talks about that the Cohen sides with screen memories and alien abductions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is just stuff that's outside of that, which that's a whole, like I said, a whole other episode in itself, a weird shit that goes on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's hard to
1:11:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, even venture a guess as to what is causing or why this is happening is is it thought forms?
1:11:43
[SPEAKER_00]: No, is it egregors and topas where people are putting this energy into these things and seeing them?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it some sort of psychic manifestation?
1:11:52
[SPEAKER_00]: because it's been happening for years and years and years.
1:11:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He gives us an example of a house that this writer created this character in this house in the late 1800s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Moves out the next people that move in, it starts to be poltergeist activity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're hearing things walking through the house, they're seeing things being moved, then they start to see manifestation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the character that the guy created had a very specific look, had a top hat, or had a top hat, had a black and red coat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wore everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as this manifestation came on years later,
1:12:28
[SPEAKER_00]: They started to see the top hat and then as more people saw it, they started to see the red and black coat, which essentially wasn't haunting at all.
1:12:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just the character that he had created almost psychically manifesting itself in the house that it was created in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So weird.
1:12:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fucking bizarre.
1:12:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you you dive down that rabbit hole.
1:12:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It is fucking bonkers.
1:12:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of them cases where everything applies.
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you made a good point saying that if we try to look at it through one singular lens, you're just going to be left confused.
1:13:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it like it bends the rules to fit your narrative where I do think it's a it's definitely a wider spectrum of thing going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely an interesting rabbit hole.
1:13:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to keep reading the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See where it goes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's great If you if you haven't checked it out you need to fourth wall phantoms by Joshua Coochon Also shout out to launch trickler and phantoms of monsters who is cataloging a lot of these experiences that people send into him
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_00]: and go support them too and also support the YouTube channel beyond creepy where Mr. Black puts a lot of other encounters that people send him out there as well shout out to all of these guys for archiving the weird and keeping it real
1:13:57
[SPEAKER_00]: and shout out to you, Holocolt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or hang it out with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This Monday, everybody had a good day.
1:14:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's keeping it real and kicking it.
1:14:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And on that note, stay safe, stay weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you have encountered a fictional character in real life, write it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Send it to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do what Kyle said at the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Send the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanna hear it.